@@raoufrachedi8903 Nek zi wilaya n S.B.A And I'm learning different varieties of tamazight . F la fin dyal video qalet ida t-préfero l'utulisation dyal 'Tifinagh' 'ⵜⵉⴼⵉⵏⴰⵖ' wella la. Wach Rayek ?
@@AeliusCaesar personally its the same thing for me its just that writing in tifinagh is more of a hassle because you need to download the tifinagh keyboard and learn the layout so i just write it in latin xD ketchini d asnoussi ? llan win mslayn s tmazight di sidi belabbas ?
I'm a Berber from Morocco.. Why am I watching this within the first half an hour it's published.. I just want to say that ⴰⵣⵓⵍ, Azul, the main greeting is something beautiful, Because Aẓ= get closer, Ul= heart... Which means like by greeting eachother our hearts get closer. This and the expression inɣa-yi umarg-nk, literally Your music is killing me, to mean I miss you.. is poetically beautiful but that only in Shillha Berber... Cause for me as a linguistics student, Shilha is totally a different language, Kabyle is another different etc
I don't think that's true because Amazighs use Tassa instead of Ul for anything emotional. For example, to say my hearth (to mean my love), we say Tassano(my liver)
@@CroviajoI believe that way back the emotions were thought to be seated in various organs by different societies. The ancient Greeks also chose the liver.
ⴰⵣⵓⵍ is not ⴰⵥ ⵓⵍ. nice try by some amazigh to explain it that way. What is actually correct is ⴰⵀⵓⵍ and after this word was taken from the tuareg to the north they changed h to z thus ⴰⵣⵓⵍ which some tried to trace back its origin but failed so they tried analizing it, and the close thing they came up with is aẓ ul but not correct. The same wrong was done to the word tifinagh and seperating it to tif and nagn meaning our discovery, but actually it is from the verb Afnagh or ifnigh that means writing. so tifinagh may be translated to writing/inscriptions (as tifinagh was engraved on ricks)
I was blown away by the beautiful script of the Berber language. While living in Morocco I sent many messages to friends in Canada using the direct transliteration of the Latin letters to Berber. Kudos to the Moroccan government for recognizing and supporting the Berber language as an integral language of the country.
Some years ago I tried to learn tamazight, but due to my lack of exerience in "autodidact" language learning I quited. Thought that, I keep this beautiful language in my memories with affection. I was so happy to see that you decided to talk about it.
I am Amazigh, and both my mother and father are mono-Berber speakers, so I think I have some insights. Sentence Structure Changes Based on Tense, Subject, and Object Sentence structure in Tamazight changes obligatorily depending on the tense, subject, and object. Here is an example: OVS : ‘I will call you’ (Object: masculine singular, Subject: masculine singular, Future) 'Ra-Dac-ghrgh' Ra: future Dac: Object, masculine singular ghr-gh: verb + Subject, masculine singular OSV : 'We will call you' (Object: feminine plural, Subject: masculine plural, Future) 'Ra-daw-nt-n-ghr' The Prevalence of Fricatives: Tamazight has many fricatives. However, in the standard language, some fricatives were not included (mainly because the educated people compiling the dictionary were city people who dropped the words that used them) As a result, some of the more obscure fricatives overlapped with the "normal" uvular, velar, palatal, and post-alveolar fricatives. The Lack of Vowels: this is especially noticeable when you hear native speakers.
Thank you for the video! I am an algerian berber, and I prefer the latin script for daily use, and the tifinagh for symbolic use (road signs, government buildings names...) which corresponds to the status quo in Algeria :)
have been enjoying your channel since the latvian video and delighted to see yet another of my favourite languages next to georgian (mainly for the most beautiful script ever), plus ainu, sámi, gothic and now... tamazight!!!
This is so cool! I'm writing a book that focuses in part in the Eye of Sahara. Because of you, I plan to include Amazigh as part of ancestors to the Amazon people whom I already have in South America. This is what I live for. To find little nuggets of linguist treasure. Amazighing stuff!!! Thank you for your insights!!!
@rvat2003 Que? Fanfic of what? Plato's Timaeus and his Atlantis have been in the public library for...oh, say 2000 years. So no, it's not fanfic. But that being said, I do allude to a connection to the D.C. universe. I keep it vague enough so that if James or his little brother comes Gunning for me, I'll be able to hold my own in a court of law. If I do sell well and the Gunners start suing, it'll just build more hype. If I could contact them, things would be simpler, but it might get really messy when these two universes collide as I'm also throwing in little hinting connections to the Mortal Combat world. Of course, these are both under Warner Brother's IP, but still, without permission, it's too much trouble. But clever fans will notice the weave and can enjoy it while I still make money, something I wouldn't be able to do if it were fanfic.
Do you fluently speak ANY language of the Amazon, like Shipibo, Esse Eja, Sirionó, Asháninka, Arauá, Paumari, Baure, Canamari, Yaminawa ... just to name a vew? Nor do you speak Amazigh... so how on earth are you justifing a link between the Amazigh and cultures in the Amazon?! It is only fiction made up in your mind.......... And I say that as a native speaker of one amerindian language and understanding two others ... and also as a person with passion for cultures, linguistics and history ...
@michimacho73 Perfect! My book is science fiction/fantasy and has all of a Pangea South America united as a realm called Ammazonica. One of the 3 protagonists is a potion wielder who is a princess of a tribe of this region. She travels and eventually meets, a tank and a DPS, and they start on their quest, which takes them to a place called Atlaun Mikropikos (because of the relations to this being Atantis but I already have a place called Atlantisea as part as greater Antartica), also known as the Eye City of Marootania (circle valley in Japanese). I've named this region Marootania as a play on its modern name, Mauritania. The Japanese relation is probably just a coincidence. Okay, this is really difficult to explain without context as this scene happens in book 2 of a 7 book series, but I have a clever way of weaving it in. I'm inclined to think that Plato was referring to an ancient city in the eye of Sahara when he wrote of Atlantis. There's a RUclipsr named Jimmi Corsetti who did an interesting piece on the topic, and it looks as though there are water corrosion after-marks on the eye likely from major flooding, which points to Plato's Atlantis sinking into the sea. The reason I believe Amazon is called the Amazon is because when the Spanish and Portuguese who first discovered it, they might have seen the indigenous people there in Brazil to look similar to the Amazigh people they knew in North Africa. These Europeans would know best as they border those lands in North Africa. That is why I'm tying the relationship.
The alphabet is amazing. Unfortunately there are very few books teaching Tamazight, and some of them show Latin alphabet for the language. I would like to learn it.
France, US, etc. have Amazigh immigrant organizations that produce média in Amazigh, French,!English,Arabic?,?etc.? Some have French, English, etc. vidéos,websites, etc. Perhaps you could ask them?
Also, US & other countries have co.‘s that produce multi lingual translation machines, similar to Google Translate, which A) May include Amazigh? B) If not,perhaps you could ask them to include Amazigh in future models?
Greeks calling foreign language and people "Babarians" We, presently calling foreign language and people we dont understand quote: "Sounds greek to me" 😊
ⴰⵣⵓⵍ, I'm a Tachelhit native speaker, just some corrections: Tamazight is not the name of the spoken language in the Atlas, the name is: "Central Atlas Tamazight", also the number of native speakers is waay more than 14M, it is estimated to be between 25M and 30M, because just in Morocco the number is 13.8M. Also, the number of Tamazight languages in Morocco is 6 not 3, people always believe it's 3 languages because the remaining 3 other have a few speakers (like not more than 100k people)
Thank you so much for this video. As an Amazigh myself from morocco, I want to say you're the first foreigner to explain our history even better than some History teacher. I just wanna mention that one of the important reasons why arabic has fominated is not because of what people think "Arab Colonialism". But bcs of Islam, our ancestors thought that it's the best way to understand the "New religion" by learning arabic for the Quran. So it was kinda volunteer. It's not oppression at all.
@Serendip98 bro that was stupid statement. If it wasn't oppression why do you think they resisted it and got rid of it. On the other side Indalucia was established by Tarik ib Ziyad. Muslim Amazigh. I recommend reading some history and understanding it.
No, the existence of Arabs in North Africa is a sure thing, especially during the Hilali-Bedouins migration. It was the main reason of Arabization... It explains to us why there is still an important portion of Berber speakers, if the cause was only Islam I guess no one would speak Berber today...
@@thedarkside102 No that's not what I meant. It JUST BECAUSE OF ISLAM. but it was one of the major factors that made the "arabization" so easy. It's bcs most of them accepted it.
Seeing that sponsorship is an insta-ditch for me nowadays. They use unqualified therapists. They do not respect confidentiality. They openly supported the IDF at the start of the genocidal campaign in Gaza. You will lose followers.
In Breton we also have the concept of collective, that can become singular with a derivation, AND this derivation makes the word feminine to ! Karot (Collective) / Karotenn (Singulative and feminine)
Great episode. I was often curious about the Berbers and their language and this video is great as a general introduction to their history and language. Great looking script too. I don't know why they think it's complicated to learn/use--especially when they only have three vowels. I doubt it would take someone literate more than day to learn the basic letters at least. I really like how geometric it looks. Ok maybe that last statement does not mean that much. I don't think that every language out there has to adopt the Latin alphabet or the script of another major language. I like languages that preserve their individuality. As is usually the case, reality is never quite that simple, especially when politics step in.
The Ansari is a tribe from Madina and they are referenced in the Quran as true Muslims. So getting the meaning from another area and yet still loosely connected is interesting.
ber is an arabic which means wilderness like arabic colloquial word barra which means out. Arabic Language is one of few languages that is based on roots. You put 3 or 4 consonants, you have created a new root 🫚.
Like Latin, Greek, and Hebrew, Tifinagh traces its origins back to Phoenician. Interestingly, the name ‘Tifinagh’ actually means ‘The Phoenician.’ In Berber languages, including Kabyle, there is often a shift between ‘gh’ and ‘q’ sounds. For instance, ‘to study’ can be ‘gher’ or ‘qer,’ and ‘to become’ can be ‘qell’ or ‘ughall.’ In Berber, the term for ‘Phoenician’ is ‘Afniq’ (masculine) and ‘Tafniqt’ (feminine). With the ‘q-gh’ transition, ‘Tafniqt’ evolved into ‘Tafnight,’ then later to ‘Tafnigh’ and finally ‘Tifinagh.’
no sir ! tifinagh means : our finding , look what we have found , discovered ...etc... it has nothing to do with the word : phoenician . BUT ! yes the writing is copied from old phoenician with some variations to better suit tamazight .
the Amazighs cannot refer to the term "Phoenicians" to create a name for their writing system, first: simply because the Phoenicians did not call themselves Phoenicians; they bore the names of Canaanites or Saydounians, Phoenicians is a Greek appelation ... the Amazighs were in direct contact with the Phoenicians, so why borrow a distant name to something that is close to you !? , in order to make a name for your script system , that sounds so silly and illogic .. second : the name Tifinagh come from the touareg verbe f.n.q , wich means to draw third : the earliest archeologic findings of tifinagh and proto tifinagh scripts are concentreted in the high Atlas mountains ans southern parts of N Africa ..and dated between 800 - 1000 BC , i.e in regions where no Phoenician put its foot , and before their arrival even in the coastal regions
@@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156 Ifi = finding Nnagh = our (ifi-nnagh = our finding) Tigmmi = house Nnagh = our But i guess, it stems from phoenicians. Tifinaq/tifinagh
@@aminemed9147 I'm just relaying what I've found in several sources on the internet, I'm Kabyle myself and it doesn't bother me that the name has to be an alteration of "Phoenician", several words have been created that way by the way. That doesn't alter the fact that it's a purely Amazigh alphabet. The hypothesis of "tifi" and "nagh" (our find) can't be ruled out of course, that's what we've been taught since we were kids in Kabylia, but it's still just a hypothesis, it hasn't been proven yet.
Seems something natural, especially when in your speech consonantic clusters feel cacophonic. Basque approaches the same issue (cacophony of consonant clusters) differently by inserting a neighboring vowel: thus "librus" ("book" in Latin) became "liburu" ("book" in Basque), however there are exceptions such as "libera" ("pound" or historically also "French franc"), which comes from Latin "libra". In this case the "e" almost certainly works like the /ə/ and is actually pronounced similarly.
In ancient times, Celts lived in now Ukraine & in S of Russia. Later, some migrated straight to W Europe coast, A 2nd group, including Scots , went S to modern Turkey, then to modern Spain for 2?!centries, even described in old stories then N to Scotland, perhaps some Amzigh already lived there before the later Amazigh & Arab conquest of Iberian Peninsula?
@@samaval9920 - No, the Celts almost certainly coalesced north of the Alps in what is now Germany and Switzerland. They had precursors living in the steppe but so do all other Indoeuropeans. We can only talk of Indoeuropeans at that stage you mention, not of Celts, Germanics or even Iranics.
i am not a native speaker, so i will just feed the tube'y'all's algo-deities, by leaving this comment. ps: keep up the good work of letting one part of this human world know how another part of it communicates.
I don't know what you're going through (2:51), but may the Lord help you, bless you, guide you, make you experience the best moments in your life and through you other people too 🙏
Those languages are having the same lovable ancient sound flavor as the native american or the siberian languages are having. I could call that as the "proto-sapiens" sound. And that is i love on those unique languages. But very difficult languages, with hard grammar, pronunciation and vocubulary. But solve me a question... is the language which is used by the Fremen in Dune, based on one of the Tamazight languages or on the Ancient Egyptian??
native here. I'm team Tifinagh. not a fluent speaker yet, unfortunately. i really like a feature where the object can become a prefix of the verb, like 7tajjagh (I need) akfhmgh (ak: you, fhmgh: to understand) I need to understand you
The thing about the singular forms of collective nouns being formed the same way as feminine nouns applies in Arabic too. Tuffaah (apples - collective) Tuffaaha (one apple)
There is a similar phenomenon in Russian, where a specific instance of a mass noun is formed through the diminutive form. E.g., morkov' (carrot as a kind of vegetable) becomes morkovka (individual carrot, literally "cute little carrot").
Imazighans Amazingly Amazighans This language is alive & will be the first language soon in a couple years From fathers to sons mothers to daughters That’s our land for millions years In Morocco 🇲🇦 we have three of different Amazighan brothers the Rif the Atlas mountains Zayani The south & the Sahara tachelhit Our customs vary too in different ways & the way we dressed up
Prioritizing Arabic as a national language in Morocco and Algeria is similar to what Haiti did with French. The country already had a language, Haitian Creole, but the government wanted to use a standardized, international language that would prevent assimilation by the United States (which occupied Haiti in the early part of the century)
@@ChaouiNaïliif you’re an ignorant why you feel the need to comment about things you don’t know sh&t about? What’s the relation Canaanites with amazigh?🤦🏼♂️
As a Berber myself i wanne add some things. First. Berber doesn't come from the word Barbaroi nor does it mean Barbarian it was a mistranslation made by some scholars and many amateur activists took it as fact. Gabriel Camps a scholar in Berber history also did disagree with the psuedo-fact that Berber means Barbarian. Ancient Egyptians also documented the name "Berberata" And Libyan Berbers in the middle ages also called themselves "Barbar" besides the word Amazir(Documented by Leo Africanus), a famous book made by the Libyan Imazighen in the middle ages was called Kitab Al-Barbariyyah. Secondly. Amazigh means "Noble man" not "Free man" it was again a mistranslation and amateur activists took it as a fact. Third. The word "Azul" is a recently made up word done by amateur activists from the "Berbere academie" The real word for hello is "Ahul" it was even documented in Chenoui/Haqbaylith dictonaries made by the French. Fourth. The fast decrease of Amazigh languages happened early, it happened after the Hilalian migrations, the Ottomans only accelerated it. Fifth. We are a patriarchal people even tho our women play a important role in passing traditions, our Izerf(Cultural law) is being enforced by the Imgharen/Tajmaat who play a important role in Amazigh central life and only men are allowed to be Imgharen. Sixth. The only Arabic speaking maghrebi's who are of Berber origin are the pre-Hilalian mountain speakers like Jbala, Ghomara's, Kabyle Hadra, Trara's, Ghiata's they are real Arabised Berbers and the real Hilalian speaking Arabised Berbers are the Blida tribe's, certain tribes in Tunisia like the Mogods for example. However most Arabic speaking Maghrebi's are of mix origin or are genetically far from Pre-Hilalian speakers and Berberphone Berbers what is now showed on many illustrativeDNA results and Gedmatch. Could you pin this reaction so that many people can see it? Any how good video you got a like:) P.S Every intellectual Berber will choose Latin because it's way more practical for our language to survive.
Can linguistics state if this language comes from Egyptian or other way around or maybe not connect? Cuz according to myth destendets of king atlas travel east and start Egypt as colony ^^
The only clear similarity that I've discovered between bothe languages ancient Egyptian & tamazight is the usage of 'n' that expresses possession ⵏ ... in Tamazight
Both Proto-Berber and Ancient Egyptian are considered daughter languages of Proto-Afroasiatic, generally on equal terms. It's so far back into the past that there's no consensus on any more detailed view of the relationship between PB and the other Afroasiatic languages, though.
Amazigh is part of Afroasiatic (which includes ancient Egyptian/Coptic) and it's typically classified as Northern Afroasiatic (which also includes Egyptian and Semiic normally). Afroasiatic languages probably expanded from the Nile region in various directions but particularly to the North via Egypt (but in the days of the "Green Sahara" when Egypt was less well defined, thousands of years before the dynastic era, probably in the Epipaleolithic), a branch headed to Southern Palestine (and then to the broader semi-arid regions of West Asia) and became proto-Semitic (which produced Akkadian, Aramean, Arabic, Canaanite-Hebrew and the Southern Semitic languages, which migrated back to Africa via West Arabia), another branch headed to NW Africa (Capsian culture surely) and then were North Afroasiatic peoples who remained in Egypt. The myth you mention doesn't exist (or rather belongs to the nonsense Donelly and Blavatsky spewed in the 19th century). Plato (whose work you can read online for free) claimed that the Atlanteans attacked the nations of "the inner gulf" (Eastern Mediterranean) but were defeated by Athens after wreaking much havoc (and afterwards were swallowed by a tsunami). In my interpretation this may correspond with the destruction of the early Greek cities (but not Athens, which survived well) and the conquest of Lower Egypt by the Amazigh c. 1070 BCE (a century after the documented "sea peoples"). If so, Atlantis was a barely researched civilization of what is now Portugal, which included a 50 stadia (c. 10 km) canal or "marine branch" linking the main settlement (which sits, as Plato describes, on a low mountain or hill in the middle of a rectangular peninsula, not an island but almost) to the Atlantic Ocean, 10 (royal?) hypogee tombs, access to vast mineral riches in Iberia and elswhere, had been massively influential in the Bell Beaker and Bronze Age periods exactly in the areas that Plato mentions, and was probably destroyed by a tsunami. Rock art depicting "Atlas" (a man holding an arch, i.e. the sky, above his head with extended arms) is common in South Iberia in that period. I've found no concentric rings however and elephants were imported (or at least their ivory, from North Africa but also from Syria), it was also not in Plato's absurd chronology of "9000 years" before him (almost 12,000 years ago for us), when no civilization existed anywhere, when agriculture itself had not coalesced yet.
@@LuisAldamiz proto Afro-asiatic originated in the levant 12,000 years ago. agriculture also originated in the levant, around the sea of galilee, 11,000 years earlier. however the peopling of egypt started much earlier than that from the northwest, probably Haua Fteah in northeastern libya 72,000 years ago as the oldest man made artifacts in egypt are found in the western desert, the mouth of the nile was at the gulf of sidra at that time and siwi berber is the closest language to coptic egyptian today.
@@zombieat - No. There's absolutely no reason to thing that proto-Afroasiatic has anything to do with the Levant: there are many many branches of Afroasiatic and only one was ever in Asia: Semitic. Afroasiatic may have originated anywhere in the Nile area (although language diversity and associated genetics suggests that towards Ethiopia most likely). North Semitic is very much traceable in terms archaeological, with migrations from Upper Egypt or nearby areas branching out to both Palestine and to Tamazgha. Egypt has of course been populated since "always". We just don't have enough info for all the periods (intense sedimentation and archaeology are not good friends, nor is privilieged interest on more recent periods such as pharaonic Egypt) but it's clear that, with modern humanity coalescing in Sudan or somewhere nearby c. 200,000 years ago and spreading to NW Africa and Palestine c. 125,000 BP, Egypt was part of all that as well.
I don't think it's always a good idea to rely on the internet for your information. The Greeks or Romans never called us Berbers, it was the Arabs who confused us with the Barbarians they had heard about. Tamazight includes all the languages of the Imazighen, they were just called Kabyle Tamazight, Riffian Tamaizght...etc. or just Kabyle, Riffian, Chaoui.etc The largest Amazigh city in the world is probably Algiers, since 70% of its inhabitants are Kabyles. The national languages of Algeria are Arabic and Tamazight, but most people speak Dziriya, a mixture of languages, and variants of Tamazight such as Kabyle, Chaoui, Chenoua...etc Carthage was founded after a Phoenician family, descended from the royal family of Phoenicia, fled to modern Tunisia. An Amazigh king gave them land and from there arose a great civilization, but the majority of the population was Amazigh. The Amazigh, especially the Numidians with general Hannibal, conquered Roman lands, and there was even an Amazigh dynasty since their first emperor of Rome was Septimius Severus. The Arabs were defeated by Queen Kahina and Aksel, but when they returned, she burned the lands and the Amazigh tribes refused to fight with her, which led to some Amazigh converting to Islam and the rest is history. The Amazigh believed in the caliphate at first, but then a civil war took place in Spain after the Arabs arrived after the Amazigh defeated the Visigoths and tried to rule. Arabs were defeated again, and Spain was ruled only by the Amazigh. Algiers, as a city-state that was a power in the Mediterranean, was predominantly Amazigh and the city itself was founded by the Amazigh dynasty of the Zirides. The Arabs were defeated by Queen Kahina and Aksel, but when they returned she burned the lands and the Amazigh tribes refused to fight with her, which led to some Amazigh converting to Islam and the rest is history. The Amazigh believed in the caliphate at first, but then a civil war took place in Spain after the Arabs arrived after the Amazigh defeated the Visighoths and tried to rule. Arabs were defeated again and Spain was ruled only by the Amazigh. Algiers, as a city-state that was a power in the Mediterranean, was predominantly Amazigh and the city itself was founded by the Amazigh dynasty of the Zirids.
Thank you Julie. Do some of you know why so many (hundredth) place names are starting with the letter "T" and also end with the letter "t"in North Africa? Some examples : - in Algeria : Tamanrasset, Taghit, Touggourt, Tiaret, Tidikelt ; - in Morocco : Tafraout, Telouet, Tighremt, Tizi n’ Tirghist - in Mauritania : Tamchekett, Tichitt - in Tunisia : Tamezret, Tieret, - in Libya : Tabadut, Tachiumet, Tagrifet Moreover, could the names of the cities of Tikrit in Iraq and Tashkent in Uzbekistan be also from Tamazight origin? I once read that the first "t" was a kind of mark for location nouns and the last "t" was a mark for feminine nouns. But I can't find that text again. Cheers
Absolutely not for Tashkent. First, the final -t in it only derives from the Turkic tendency to devoice final stop consonants and only really started being reflected in formal spellings in the past couple of centuries; the traditional Persian spelling ends with a d. Secondly, the etymology is pretty transparently the Turkic for "stone" plus an Iranic word for "city". Even if this was a later reinterpretation, it could only have derived from the city's older name Chach (apparently the form "Chachkand" is also attested), which had persisted for several centuries even after the Islamic conquest (rendered as "Shash" in Arabic). And even if the Arabs/Berbers did somehow return to the city after the 11th century just to give it a Berber name, what would the underlying form *ashkan/ashken even mean in that case?
You're lacking historical+definitional knowledge enough to be surprised when I tell you they welcomed Arabs. So... Use colonialism to describe something else. Like the white
There's no evidence Tifinagh derived from Canaanite/Phoenician. There are only 3 shared symbols and one of those symbols also was in Kemet (Ancient Egyptian).
Interestingly, it was the "t" that is the shared symbol (looking more like an X cross) that's in all three scripts but from your video I am learning it was feminine as it was also in Kemet's script.
@RedHair651 There's no evidence for your claim either because Phoenician script derived from an alphabet already in Kemet as evidence by Wadi el-Hol. There's no evidence Canaanite/Phoenician script had anything to do with Old Libyan Tifinagh.
, the Egyptians are the Amazigh cousins alone in Africa and not other African nations Egyptians share with the Amazigh one grandfather and his sons are Misra'im and Mazigh, and then the sons of Mazigh were separated to the son Madghis in Libya and bornus n Morocco The Amazigh are the protectors of their parental genes E-M81 As for the Egyptians, they are the protectors of their parental genes. EM78 I mean the Amazigh their cousins are the Egyptians and they share one grandfather who has two sons who are misra'im and Mazigh
@GreaterAfghanistanMovement They not our cousins any more since they started intermmixed like crazy with bantu people and congoloid people hell no we don't have any blood with them our only cousins are the Egyptians so deal with it
@@perla5465 Lol no. Afghans and Berbers weren't even aware of each other's existence for them to copy each other. I noticed Yemenis and Native Americans have similar clothing styles with similar embroidery as well, likely a tribal thing.
1. Tamazight is a language, not multiple languages 2. The name barbar does not come from Greeks. It comes from araps. Greeks never called Amazighs barbars 3. Tamazight is spoken throughout North Africa, not just in the Middle Atlas of Morocco 4. Tamazight is spoken by about 30 million people, not 14 million. Morocco alone has 14 million speakers 5. North Africa is not arap. It’s called North Africa not north arapia. Seriously where do you get your info from? Wikipedia? Btw girl you are absolutely stunningly beautiful.
As a Native American, I have huge respect for the Amazigh people. Just like us, Amazigh langauges are suppressed. I remember reading about how people in Algeria tried putting up signs in Amazigh and they were taken by the authorities. It's similar in "latin" America. Native American languages are brutally suppressed.
it sounds absurd but the best thing we can do to preserve (dying) languages is to archive them. carve it in stone and make terra cotta tablets with translations. maybe it might be the next rosetta stone of the future!
They are NOT RELATED, I tell you as Basque myself. Maybe there are a handful of shared cognates but that's about it. Amazigh is Afroasiatic, Basque is Vasconic (and IMHO could be related to Nubian languages but not to Afroasiatic). Atlantis was (IMNSHO) a Copper and Bronze Age civilization of what is now Portugal: lots of the details (but not all) fit Plato's description (I can extend if you wish). They probably spoke Vasconic (although you can't fully discard Amazigh completely, as that western third of Iberia has some 9% North African genetics). In Basque, I'd read "Atlantis" as "atari andi" = "great portal", with "portal" probably meaning "port" (which in Latin "portus" also derives from "porta" = "door" or "gate") but maybe having instead the meaning of "palace" as in Egyptian "per aa" = "great house" (which produces "pharaoh" for us). In the Bronze Age, dolmenic megalithism (which is originally from Vasconic Western Europe and had in this real "Atlantis" a major hub) spread to the Mediterranean, including much of the Berber country (Algeria notably) but also all the way to Syria and Jordan, from where it spread into further Asia (eventually reaching remote places like Korea or India). Take this as a cultural and spiritual (religious) thing, not conquest, fueled by trade (Andalusia imported ivory from Syria already in the Copper Age, ancient trade and especially ancient Iberia is very underrated). This, together with the related Sherden (Nuraghic Sardinians) very apparent presence in Egypt (and often against Egypt) in the Late Bronze Age, sets the stage for a possible "Atlantean invasion" c. 1070 BCE, when the Amazigh conquered Lower Egypt and Greece (but not Athens, the heroes of Plato's story) was devastated.
@@uniformityofnature1488 - "Aethiopis" (Ethiopes or Black Peoples) has no relation with Atlanteas, the Ethiopes lived south of Egypt, Atlanteans far to the west "beyond the pillars" of Hercules (Gibraltar Strait).
Hey! I am Algerian Berber , I am so positively shocked you made a video about my native language, I am huge fan of your channel and work ! Keep it up
Azul fellak, kech d' aqvayli ?
Nek zi tamurt n Dzayr
@AeliusCaesar oui Kabyle , Azul men Boumerdes
@@raoufrachedi8903
Nek zi wilaya n S.B.A
And I'm learning different varieties of tamazight .
F la fin dyal video qalet ida t-préfero l'utulisation dyal 'Tifinagh' 'ⵜⵉⴼⵉⵏⴰⵖ' wella la.
Wach Rayek ?
@@AeliusCaesar tifnagh is definitely more authentic since it's our alphabet, so it definitely needs to be revived and taught and used
@@AeliusCaesar personally its the same thing for me
its just that writing in tifinagh is more of a hassle because you need to download the tifinagh keyboard and learn the layout so i just write it in latin xD
ketchini d asnoussi ? llan win mslayn s tmazight di sidi belabbas ?
Shoutout to Saharan Blues musicians who have music mostly in Tamazight languages, like Tinariwen, Mdou Moctar and Etran Del'Air
I'm a Berber from Morocco..
Why am I watching this within the first half an hour it's published.. I just want to say that ⴰⵣⵓⵍ, Azul, the main greeting is something beautiful, Because Aẓ= get closer, Ul= heart... Which means like by greeting eachother our hearts get closer. This and the expression inɣa-yi umarg-nk, literally Your music is killing me, to mean I miss you.. is poetically beautiful but that only in Shillha Berber... Cause for me as a linguistics student, Shilha is totally a different language, Kabyle is another different etc
Azul fillawen.
I don't think that's true because Amazighs use Tassa instead of Ul for anything emotional. For example, to say my hearth (to mean my love), we say Tassano(my liver)
@@CroviajoI believe that way back the emotions were thought to be seated in various organs by different societies. The ancient Greeks also chose the liver.
აზულ სურინენ ლჰა.
ⴰⵣⵓⵍ is not ⴰⵥ ⵓⵍ.
nice try by some amazigh to explain it that way.
What is actually correct is ⴰⵀⵓⵍ and after this word was taken from the tuareg to the north they changed h to z thus ⴰⵣⵓⵍ which some tried to trace back its origin but failed so they tried analizing it, and the close thing they came up with is aẓ ul but not correct.
The same wrong was done to the word tifinagh and seperating it to tif and nagn meaning our discovery, but actually it is from the verb Afnagh or ifnigh that means writing. so tifinagh may be translated to writing/inscriptions (as tifinagh was engraved on ricks)
I was blown away by the beautiful script of the Berber language. While living in Morocco I sent many messages to friends in Canada using the direct transliteration of the Latin letters to Berber. Kudos to the Moroccan government for recognizing and supporting the Berber language as an integral language of the country.
Some years ago I tried to learn tamazight, but due to my lack of exerience in "autodidact" language learning I quited. Thought that, I keep this beautiful language in my memories with affection. I was so happy to see that you decided to talk about it.
hope u try again bro
@darkprince6953 Thank you so mutch! And yes, I have planned that in the future I will try again when I get more experience in linguistics.
@senorpuzle5018 good luck bro
გოოდ ლუცკ, ყოუ'ლლ ნეედ იტ.
@@埊 თჰანქ ჲოუ სო მუთჩჰ!
Thank you for sharing apart of my people culture/ language !!
I am Amazigh, and both my mother and father are mono-Berber speakers, so I think I have some insights.
Sentence Structure Changes Based on Tense, Subject, and Object
Sentence structure in Tamazight changes obligatorily depending on the tense, subject, and object. Here is an example:
OVS :
‘I will call you’ (Object: masculine singular, Subject: masculine singular, Future)
'Ra-Dac-ghrgh'
Ra: future
Dac: Object, masculine singular
ghr-gh: verb + Subject, masculine singular
OSV :
'We will call you' (Object: feminine plural, Subject: masculine plural, Future)
'Ra-daw-nt-n-ghr'
The Prevalence of Fricatives:
Tamazight has many fricatives. However, in the standard language, some fricatives were not included (mainly because the educated people compiling the dictionary were city people who dropped the words that used them) As a result, some of the more obscure fricatives overlapped with the "normal" uvular, velar, palatal, and post-alveolar fricatives.
The Lack of Vowels: this is especially noticeable when you hear native speakers.
Thank you for the video!
I am an algerian berber, and I prefer the latin script for daily use, and the tifinagh for symbolic use (road signs, government buildings names...) which corresponds to the status quo in Algeria :)
زعما يرضاو عليك😂
I AGREE ☺️☺️
have been enjoying your channel since the latvian video and delighted to see yet another of my favourite languages next to georgian (mainly for the most beautiful script ever), plus ainu, sámi, gothic and now... tamazight!!!
This is so cool! I'm writing a book that focuses in part in the Eye of Sahara. Because of you, I plan to include Amazigh as part of ancestors to the Amazon people whom I already have in South America. This is what I live for. To find little nuggets of linguist treasure. Amazighing stuff!!! Thank you for your insights!!!
Uhm, is the book fanfic? Or are you proposing a theory.
@rvat2003 Que? Fanfic of what? Plato's Timaeus and his Atlantis have been in the public library for...oh, say 2000 years. So no, it's not fanfic.
But that being said, I do allude to a connection to the D.C. universe. I keep it vague enough so that if James or his little brother comes Gunning for me, I'll be able to hold my own in a court of law.
If I do sell well and the Gunners start suing, it'll just build more hype. If I could contact them, things would be simpler, but it might get really messy when these two universes collide as I'm also throwing in little hinting connections to the Mortal Combat world.
Of course, these are both under Warner Brother's IP, but still, without permission, it's too much trouble.
But clever fans will notice the weave and can enjoy it while I still make money, something I wouldn't be able to do if it were fanfic.
Do you fluently speak ANY language of the Amazon, like Shipibo, Esse Eja, Sirionó, Asháninka, Arauá, Paumari, Baure, Canamari, Yaminawa ... just to name a vew? Nor do you speak Amazigh... so how on earth are you justifing a link between the Amazigh and cultures in the Amazon?! It is only fiction made up in your mind..........
And I say that as a native speaker of one amerindian language and understanding two others ... and also as a person with passion for cultures, linguistics and history ...
@michimacho73 Perfect! My book is science fiction/fantasy and has
all of a Pangea South America united as a realm called Ammazonica. One of the 3 protagonists is a potion wielder who is a princess of a tribe of this region.
She travels and eventually meets, a tank and a DPS, and they start on their quest, which takes them to a place called Atlaun Mikropikos (because of the relations to this being Atantis but I already have a place called Atlantisea as part as greater Antartica), also known as the Eye City of Marootania (circle valley in Japanese). I've named this region Marootania as a play on its modern name, Mauritania. The Japanese relation is probably just a coincidence.
Okay, this is really difficult to explain without context as this scene happens in book 2 of a 7 book series, but I have a clever way of weaving it in. I'm inclined to think that Plato was referring to an ancient city in the eye of Sahara when he wrote of Atlantis. There's a RUclipsr named Jimmi Corsetti who did an interesting piece on the topic, and it looks as though there are water corrosion after-marks on the eye likely from major flooding, which points to Plato's Atlantis sinking into the sea.
The reason I believe Amazon is called the Amazon is because when the Spanish and Portuguese who first discovered it, they might have seen the indigenous people there in Brazil to look similar to the Amazigh people they knew in North Africa. These Europeans would know best as they border those lands in North Africa. That is why I'm tying the relationship.
The alphabet is amazing. Unfortunately there are very few books teaching Tamazight, and some of them show Latin alphabet for the language. I would like to learn it.
France, US, etc. have Amazigh immigrant organizations
that produce média in Amazigh, French,!English,Arabic?,?etc.?
Some have French, English, etc.
vidéos,websites, etc. Perhaps you could ask them?
Also, US & other countries have co.‘s that produce multi lingual
translation machines, similar to Google Translate, which
A) May include Amazigh?
B) If not,perhaps you could ask them to include Amazigh in future
models?
thank you so much julingo im so fall in love with this video my all love for amazigh native north africa 😍🤩😘
Greeks calling foreign language and people "Babarians"
We, presently calling foreign language and people we dont understand quote: "Sounds greek to me" 😊
Azul! At last .. the video I was just waiting for so long! 😊
ⴰⵣⵓⵍ, I'm a Tachelhit native speaker, just some corrections: Tamazight is not the name of the spoken language in the Atlas, the name is: "Central Atlas Tamazight", also the number of native speakers is waay more than 14M, it is estimated to be between 25M and 30M, because just in Morocco the number is 13.8M. Also, the number of Tamazight languages in Morocco is 6 not 3, people always believe it's 3 languages because the remaining 3 other have a few speakers (like not more than 100k people)
Thank you for the video. I didn't know much about this language before I visited Morocco two years ago.
Thank you so much for this video. As an Amazigh myself from morocco, I want to say you're the first foreigner to explain our history even better than some History teacher.
I just wanna mention that one of the important reasons why arabic has fominated is not because of what people think "Arab Colonialism". But bcs of Islam, our ancestors thought that it's the best way to understand the "New religion" by learning arabic for the Quran. So it was kinda volunteer. It's not oppression at all.
True, so did the French: no oppression at all, only volunteer. And of course, no slavery among Arabs. 😁
@Serendip98 bro that was stupid statement. If it wasn't oppression why do you think they resisted it and got rid of it. On the other side Indalucia was established by Tarik ib Ziyad. Muslim Amazigh.
I recommend reading some history and understanding it.
No, the existence of Arabs in North Africa is a sure thing, especially during the Hilali-Bedouins migration. It was the main reason of Arabization... It explains to us why there is still an important portion of Berber speakers, if the cause was only Islam I guess no one would speak Berber today...
@@thedarkside102 No that's not what I meant. It JUST BECAUSE OF ISLAM. but it was one of the major factors that made the "arabization" so easy. It's bcs most of them accepted it.
OMG ❤❤❤.
THAT WAS WONDERFULL.
Thank you so much. It was accurate, well documented and perfectly reported.
I have goosebumps. ❤❤❤
Awesome as always juli, i had never heard of this one
I'm Iraqi and I love the Amazogh and Berber people😊
I recently discovered Idir (A vava Inouva, Ssendu...), and I like it much more than Arabic music.
I love your cat! Thank you for the yhe great video!
Never use "Better Help". Awful money grabbing charlatans.
😮
Seeing that sponsorship is an insta-ditch for me nowadays.
They use unqualified therapists. They do not respect confidentiality. They openly supported the IDF at the start of the genocidal campaign in Gaza. You will lose followers.
THErapist... Of your mind and check book.
In Breton we also have the concept of collective, that can become singular with a derivation, AND this derivation makes the word feminine to !
Karot (Collective) / Karotenn (Singulative and feminine)
Well done video, like always. Congrats and good wishes !
The singing of the women reminds me for the the Bulgarian folklore singing Rodopi mountain region 😃Beautiful & Cosmic ✨
Thanks for this video. I was intrested in Berber/Tamazight languages.
Amazighen people are Amazing people, they have great Music and Culture, Azul from Somalia.
So lovely to listen to as always
This is my favorite languages.
Great episode. I was often curious about the Berbers and their language and this video is great as a general introduction to their history and language. Great looking script too. I don't know why they think it's complicated to learn/use--especially when they only have three vowels. I doubt it would take someone literate more than day to learn the basic letters at least. I really like how geometric it looks. Ok maybe that last statement does not mean that much. I don't think that every language out there has to adopt the Latin alphabet or the script of another major language. I like languages that preserve their individuality. As is usually the case, reality is never quite that simple, especially when politics step in.
It has the potential of being, or becoming, peaceful, while it is certainly the case that it is something that people never get enough of ;)
The Ansari is a tribe from Madina and they are referenced in the Quran as true Muslims.
So getting the meaning from another area and yet still loosely connected is interesting.
Ansari isn't a tribe it's the name of those who supported the prophet in Madina as we say "لقب" a "title"
ber is an arabic which means wilderness like arabic colloquial word barra which means out. Arabic Language is one of few languages that is based on roots. You put 3 or 4 consonants, you have created a new root 🫚.
Like Latin, Greek, and Hebrew, Tifinagh traces its origins back to Phoenician. Interestingly, the name ‘Tifinagh’ actually means ‘The Phoenician.’ In Berber languages, including Kabyle, there is often a shift between ‘gh’ and ‘q’ sounds. For instance, ‘to study’ can be ‘gher’ or ‘qer,’ and ‘to become’ can be ‘qell’ or ‘ughall.’ In Berber, the term for ‘Phoenician’ is ‘Afniq’ (masculine) and ‘Tafniqt’ (feminine). With the ‘q-gh’ transition, ‘Tafniqt’ evolved into ‘Tafnight,’ then later to ‘Tafnigh’ and finally ‘Tifinagh.’
no sir ! tifinagh means : our finding , look what we have found , discovered ...etc... it has nothing to do with the word : phoenician . BUT ! yes the writing is copied from old phoenician with some variations to better suit tamazight .
@salchaw
If tifinagh means "our finding" as you commented, then which part of "Tifinagh" is "our"?!?
the Amazighs cannot refer to the term "Phoenicians" to create a name for their writing system,
first:
simply because the Phoenicians did not call themselves Phoenicians; they bore the names of Canaanites or Saydounians, Phoenicians is a Greek appelation ... the Amazighs were in direct contact with the Phoenicians, so why borrow a distant name to something that is close to you !? , in order to make a name for your script system , that sounds so silly and illogic ..
second :
the name Tifinagh come from the touareg verbe f.n.q , wich means to draw
third :
the earliest archeologic findings of tifinagh and proto tifinagh scripts are concentreted in the high Atlas mountains ans southern parts of N Africa ..and dated between 800 - 1000 BC , i.e in regions where no Phoenician put its foot , and before their arrival even in the coastal regions
@@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156
Ifi = finding
Nnagh = our (ifi-nnagh = our finding)
Tigmmi = house
Nnagh = our
But i guess, it stems from phoenicians. Tifinaq/tifinagh
@@aminemed9147 I'm just relaying what I've found in several sources on the internet, I'm Kabyle myself and it doesn't bother me that the name has to be an alteration of "Phoenician", several words have been created that way by the way. That doesn't alter the fact that it's a purely Amazigh alphabet. The hypothesis of "tifi" and "nagh" (our find) can't be ruled out of course, that's what we've been taught since we were kids in Kabylia, but it's still just a hypothesis, it hasn't been proven yet.
Please do YIDDISH❤
Interestingly, Scottish Gaelic also adds a /ə/ sound between consonant clusters. Strange coincidence
Wiki: In medieval Irish and Scottish (from queen Scota) legend, Scota is the daughter of an Egyptian pharaoh and ancestor of the Gaels.
@AbnormalVega interesting
Seems something natural, especially when in your speech consonantic clusters feel cacophonic. Basque approaches the same issue (cacophony of consonant clusters) differently by inserting a neighboring vowel: thus "librus" ("book" in Latin) became "liburu" ("book" in Basque), however there are exceptions such as "libera" ("pound" or historically also "French franc"), which comes from Latin "libra". In this case the "e" almost certainly works like the /ə/ and is actually pronounced similarly.
In ancient times, Celts lived in
now Ukraine & in S of Russia.
Later, some migrated straight to
W Europe coast, A 2nd group,
including Scots
, went S to modern Turkey, then to
modern Spain for 2?!centries, even described in old stories
then N to Scotland, perhaps
some Amzigh already lived there
before the later Amazigh & Arab
conquest of Iberian Peninsula?
@@samaval9920 - No, the Celts almost certainly coalesced north of the Alps in what is now Germany and Switzerland. They had precursors living in the steppe but so do all other Indoeuropeans. We can only talk of Indoeuropeans at that stage you mention, not of Celts, Germanics or even Iranics.
i am not a native speaker,
so i will just feed the tube'y'all's algo-deities,
by leaving this comment.
ps: keep up the good work of letting one part of this human world
know how another part of it communicates.
I don't know what you're going through (2:51), but may the Lord help you, bless you, guide you, make you experience the best moments in your life and through you other people too 🙏
Those languages are having the same lovable ancient sound flavor as the native american or the siberian languages are having. I could call that as the "proto-sapiens" sound. And that is i love on those unique languages. But very difficult languages, with hard grammar, pronunciation and vocubulary. But solve me a question... is the language which is used by the Fremen in Dune, based on one of the Tamazight languages or on the Ancient Egyptian??
When you're peaceful and tame, I belong to you. :)
I think i would be team Tifinagh if it would develop lowercase and cursive forme but until then i'm team Latin
I go by my word, and I'm also highest Academic material. Let's do this :)
JuLingo when you gonna make video about Cushitic? i think you never made one
ALLAH BLESS THE BERBERS
Good work. 16;42, Armaz ? could it be Aryaz or Argaz?
native here. I'm team Tifinagh. not a fluent speaker yet, unfortunately. i really like a feature where the object can become a prefix of the verb, like 7tajjagh (I need) akfhmgh (ak: you, fhmgh: to understand) I need to understand you
It's better to use a selfie as account picture
like a selfie speaking different languages, instead of a ball
The thing about the singular forms of collective nouns being formed the same way as feminine nouns applies in Arabic too.
Tuffaah (apples - collective)
Tuffaaha (one apple)
There is a similar phenomenon in Russian, where a specific instance of a mass noun is formed through the diminutive form. E.g., morkov' (carrot as a kind of vegetable) becomes morkovka (individual carrot, literally "cute little carrot").
Imazighans Amazingly Amazighans
This language is alive & will be the first language soon in a couple years
From fathers to sons mothers to daughters
That’s our land for millions years
In Morocco 🇲🇦 we have three of different Amazighan brothers the Rif the Atlas mountains Zayani The south & the Sahara tachelhit
Our customs vary too in different ways & the way we dressed up
Love your cat 🐈
Prioritizing Arabic as a national language in Morocco and Algeria is similar to what Haiti did with French. The country already had a language, Haitian Creole, but the government wanted to use a standardized, international language that would prevent assimilation by the United States (which occupied Haiti in the early part of the century)
Before Arabic the language of North Africa was Canaanite as well as its writing. It was never Tifinagh except in the desert
@@ChaouiNaïliif you’re an ignorant why you feel the need to comment about things you don’t know sh&t about?
What’s the relation Canaanites with amazigh?🤦🏼♂️
I'm here for that situation... :)
I am also a Barber
what do you mean in total? where did you got your information because it s not true only in KABYLIA are more than 12 millions speakers
Want to like the video, but WorseHelp/BetterScam earns a dislike instead.
Hey, I'm a barbarian from Hungary and pineapple on pizza ❤
I wonder if you’re team Estonia or team Indonesia 😂
@@musicandfanart5787 ჰე ის ტეამ არმენია ჶორ სურე. ჴნჼ 啦。
As a Berber myself i wanne add some things.
First. Berber doesn't come from the word Barbaroi nor does it mean Barbarian it was a mistranslation made by some scholars and many amateur activists took it as fact.
Gabriel Camps a scholar in Berber history also did disagree with the psuedo-fact that Berber means Barbarian.
Ancient Egyptians also documented the name "Berberata"
And Libyan Berbers in the middle ages also called themselves "Barbar" besides the word Amazir(Documented by Leo Africanus), a famous book made by the Libyan Imazighen in the middle ages was called Kitab Al-Barbariyyah.
Secondly. Amazigh means "Noble man" not "Free man" it was again a mistranslation and amateur activists took it as a fact.
Third. The word "Azul" is a recently made up word done by amateur activists from the "Berbere academie"
The real word for hello is "Ahul" it was even documented in Chenoui/Haqbaylith dictonaries made by the French.
Fourth. The fast decrease of Amazigh languages happened early, it happened after the Hilalian migrations, the Ottomans only accelerated it.
Fifth. We are a patriarchal people even tho our women play a important role in passing traditions, our Izerf(Cultural law) is being enforced by the Imgharen/Tajmaat who play a important role in Amazigh central life and only men are allowed to be Imgharen.
Sixth. The only Arabic speaking maghrebi's who are of Berber origin are the pre-Hilalian mountain speakers like Jbala, Ghomara's, Kabyle Hadra, Trara's, Ghiata's they are real Arabised Berbers and the real Hilalian speaking Arabised Berbers are the Blida tribe's, certain tribes in Tunisia like the Mogods for example.
However most Arabic speaking Maghrebi's are of mix origin or are genetically far from Pre-Hilalian speakers and Berberphone Berbers what is now showed on many illustrativeDNA results and Gedmatch.
Could you pin this reaction so that many people can see it?
Any how good video you got a like:)
P.S Every intellectual Berber will choose Latin because it's way more practical for our language to survive.
The tifinagh has nothing to do with phonecian.
Tifinagh emerged from the south desert to the north.
Cheers
No. We both let it pass, miss. I mean this. Cannibalism isn't an acceptable reality. Let's focus on Love... :)
Barba = Beard
Rosa = Red
Barbarosa = RedBeard, Latin, italian
Cat's adorable
Algeria
Can linguistics state if this language comes from Egyptian or other way around or maybe not connect? Cuz according to myth destendets of king atlas travel east and start Egypt as colony ^^
The only clear similarity that I've discovered between bothe languages ancient Egyptian & tamazight is the usage of
'n' that expresses possession
ⵏ ... in Tamazight
Both Proto-Berber and Ancient Egyptian are considered daughter languages of Proto-Afroasiatic, generally on equal terms. It's so far back into the past that there's no consensus on any more detailed view of the relationship between PB and the other Afroasiatic languages, though.
Amazigh is part of Afroasiatic (which includes ancient Egyptian/Coptic) and it's typically classified as Northern Afroasiatic (which also includes Egyptian and Semiic normally). Afroasiatic languages probably expanded from the Nile region in various directions but particularly to the North via Egypt (but in the days of the "Green Sahara" when Egypt was less well defined, thousands of years before the dynastic era, probably in the Epipaleolithic), a branch headed to Southern Palestine (and then to the broader semi-arid regions of West Asia) and became proto-Semitic (which produced Akkadian, Aramean, Arabic, Canaanite-Hebrew and the Southern Semitic languages, which migrated back to Africa via West Arabia), another branch headed to NW Africa (Capsian culture surely) and then were North Afroasiatic peoples who remained in Egypt.
The myth you mention doesn't exist (or rather belongs to the nonsense Donelly and Blavatsky spewed in the 19th century). Plato (whose work you can read online for free) claimed that the Atlanteans attacked the nations of "the inner gulf" (Eastern Mediterranean) but were defeated by Athens after wreaking much havoc (and afterwards were swallowed by a tsunami). In my interpretation this may correspond with the destruction of the early Greek cities (but not Athens, which survived well) and the conquest of Lower Egypt by the Amazigh c. 1070 BCE (a century after the documented "sea peoples"). If so, Atlantis was a barely researched civilization of what is now Portugal, which included a 50 stadia (c. 10 km) canal or "marine branch" linking the main settlement (which sits, as Plato describes, on a low mountain or hill in the middle of a rectangular peninsula, not an island but almost) to the Atlantic Ocean, 10 (royal?) hypogee tombs, access to vast mineral riches in Iberia and elswhere, had been massively influential in the Bell Beaker and Bronze Age periods exactly in the areas that Plato mentions, and was probably destroyed by a tsunami. Rock art depicting "Atlas" (a man holding an arch, i.e. the sky, above his head with extended arms) is common in South Iberia in that period. I've found no concentric rings however and elephants were imported (or at least their ivory, from North Africa but also from Syria), it was also not in Plato's absurd chronology of "9000 years" before him (almost 12,000 years ago for us), when no civilization existed anywhere, when agriculture itself had not coalesced yet.
@@LuisAldamiz proto Afro-asiatic originated in the levant 12,000 years ago. agriculture also originated in the levant, around the sea of galilee, 11,000 years earlier.
however the peopling of egypt started much earlier than that from the northwest, probably Haua Fteah in northeastern libya 72,000 years ago as the oldest man made artifacts in egypt are found in the western desert, the mouth of the nile was at the gulf of sidra at that time and siwi berber is the closest language to coptic egyptian today.
@@zombieat - No. There's absolutely no reason to thing that proto-Afroasiatic has anything to do with the Levant: there are many many branches of Afroasiatic and only one was ever in Asia: Semitic. Afroasiatic may have originated anywhere in the Nile area (although language diversity and associated genetics suggests that towards Ethiopia most likely). North Semitic is very much traceable in terms archaeological, with migrations from Upper Egypt or nearby areas branching out to both Palestine and to Tamazgha.
Egypt has of course been populated since "always". We just don't have enough info for all the periods (intense sedimentation and archaeology are not good friends, nor is privilieged interest on more recent periods such as pharaonic Egypt) but it's clear that, with modern humanity coalescing in Sudan or somewhere nearby c. 200,000 years ago and spreading to NW Africa and Palestine c. 125,000 BP, Egypt was part of all that as well.
I don't think it's always a good idea to rely on the internet for your information.
The Greeks or Romans never called us Berbers, it was the Arabs who confused us with the Barbarians they had heard about.
Tamazight includes all the languages of the Imazighen, they were just called Kabyle Tamazight, Riffian Tamaizght...etc. or just Kabyle, Riffian, Chaoui.etc
The largest Amazigh city in the world is probably Algiers, since 70% of its inhabitants are Kabyles.
The national languages of Algeria are Arabic and Tamazight, but most people speak Dziriya, a mixture of languages, and variants of Tamazight such as Kabyle, Chaoui, Chenoua...etc
Carthage was founded after a Phoenician family, descended from the royal family of Phoenicia, fled to modern Tunisia. An Amazigh king gave them land and from there arose a great civilization, but the majority of the population was Amazigh.
The Amazigh, especially the Numidians with general Hannibal, conquered Roman lands, and there was even an Amazigh dynasty since their first emperor of Rome was Septimius Severus.
The Arabs were defeated by Queen Kahina and Aksel, but when they returned, she burned the lands and the Amazigh tribes refused to fight with her, which led to some Amazigh converting to Islam and the rest is history. The Amazigh believed in the caliphate at first, but then a civil war took place in Spain after the Arabs arrived after the Amazigh defeated the Visigoths and tried to rule. Arabs were defeated again, and Spain was ruled only by the Amazigh. Algiers, as a city-state that was a power in the Mediterranean, was predominantly Amazigh and the city itself was founded by the Amazigh dynasty of the Zirides.
The Arabs were defeated by Queen Kahina and Aksel, but when they returned she burned the lands and the Amazigh tribes refused to fight with her, which led to some Amazigh converting to Islam and the rest is history. The Amazigh believed in the caliphate at first, but then a civil war took place in Spain after the Arabs arrived after the Amazigh defeated the Visighoths and tried to rule. Arabs were defeated again and Spain was ruled only by the Amazigh. Algiers, as a city-state that was a power in the Mediterranean, was predominantly Amazigh and the city itself was founded by the Amazigh dynasty of the Zirids.
Huzzah new video
azul flam, tanmirt 👍
Thank you Julie.
Do some of you know why so many (hundredth) place names are starting with the letter "T" and also end with the letter "t"in North Africa?
Some examples :
- in Algeria : Tamanrasset, Taghit, Touggourt, Tiaret, Tidikelt ;
- in Morocco : Tafraout, Telouet, Tighremt, Tizi n’ Tirghist
- in Mauritania : Tamchekett, Tichitt
- in Tunisia : Tamezret, Tieret,
- in Libya : Tabadut, Tachiumet, Tagrifet
Moreover, could the names of the cities of Tikrit in Iraq and Tashkent in Uzbekistan be also from Tamazight origin?
I once read that the first "t" was a kind of mark for location nouns and the last "t" was a mark for feminine nouns. But I can't find that text again.
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Absolutely not for Tashkent. First, the final -t in it only derives from the Turkic tendency to devoice final stop consonants and only really started being reflected in formal spellings in the past couple of centuries; the traditional Persian spelling ends with a d. Secondly, the etymology is pretty transparently the Turkic for "stone" plus an Iranic word for "city". Even if this was a later reinterpretation, it could only have derived from the city's older name Chach (apparently the form "Chachkand" is also attested), which had persisted for several centuries even after the Islamic conquest (rendered as "Shash" in Arabic). And even if the Arabs/Berbers did somehow return to the city after the 11th century just to give it a Berber name, what would the underlying form *ashkan/ashken even mean in that case?
@@vonPeterhof Thank you for this instructive answer.
Cheers.
What’s your native language?
I think of her as Norwegian.
I think she is lituanian
@@MsManomenI’ve grown up in Norway, and she’s definitely not Norwegian. I think I heard her say that she was Latvian or Lithuanian in a video of hers.
She is Russian
She is Russian from Lithuania @@MsManomen
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Victims of Arab colonialism
You're lacking historical+definitional knowledge enough to be surprised when I tell you they welcomed Arabs. So... Use colonialism to describe something else. Like the white
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We are very happy with the beautiful religion they brought with them
The berbères were great ambassadors of Islam in Spain
No we are not, shut up and don't talk in the name of Amazigh there's no "we" @@diogenebladi4469
We aren't@@diogenebladi4469
team tifinaght to the end 😊
just waiting a "about the ithkuil language" 😂
There's no evidence Tifinagh derived from Canaanite/Phoenician. There are only 3 shared symbols and one of those symbols also was in Kemet (Ancient Egyptian).
Interestingly, it was the "t" that is the shared symbol (looking more like an X cross) that's in all three scripts but from your video I am learning it was feminine as it was also in Kemet's script.
That's not what she said. She said that Amazigh people saw the Phoenician script and wanted something like that too. They were inspired.
@RedHair651 There's no evidence for your claim either because Phoenician script derived from an alphabet already in Kemet as evidence by Wadi el-Hol. There's no evidence Canaanite/Phoenician script had anything to do with Old Libyan Tifinagh.
Nope!…amazigh language is older than Phoenician language (Phoenician language went extinct btw)
Old languages looks like the same , there an old slavic language has the same script as tifinagh
Team tifinagh
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@7:48
What is going on here?
, the Egyptians are the Amazigh cousins alone in Africa and not other African nations
Egyptians share with the Amazigh one grandfather and his sons are Misra'im and Mazigh, and then the sons of Mazigh were separated to the son Madghis in Libya and bornus n Morocco
The Amazigh are the protectors of their parental genes
E-M81
As for the Egyptians, they are the protectors of their parental genes.
EM78
I mean the Amazigh their cousins are the Egyptians and they share one grandfather who has two sons who are misra'im and Mazigh
How did you know about the sons by name? Which written or engraved source informed you of that?
How did you know about the sons by name? Which written or engraved source informed you of that?
Why single out Somalis & Ethiopians? they are your cousins as well since they also share E1b1b.
@GreaterAfghanistanMovement
They not our cousins any more since they started intermmixed like crazy with bantu people and congoloid people hell no we don't have any blood with them our only cousins are the Egyptians so deal with it
@recallbarack
By the hestorien books like ibn khaldon
Amazigh clothes look a lot like Pashtun/Afghan clothes!
Probably where afghans got inspiration
@@perla5465 Lol no. Afghans and Berbers weren't even aware of each other's existence for them to copy each other.
I noticed Yemenis and Native Americans have similar clothing styles with similar embroidery as well, likely a tribal thing.
@@GreaterAfghanistanMovement or you just can’t tell the difference. To them it might be completely different.
The Arabic language, please.
If you go to Morocco you will see Berber script on official signs; my family comes from the Atlas Mountains of Morocco.
Same in Algeria! It has only become so in the past few years.
Néo tifinagh
BetterHelp? Ugh. You really should know better by now.
Thumbs down, skip.
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1. Tamazight is a language, not multiple languages 2. The name barbar does not come from Greeks. It comes from araps. Greeks never called Amazighs barbars 3. Tamazight is spoken throughout North Africa, not just in the Middle Atlas of Morocco 4. Tamazight is spoken by about 30 million people, not 14 million. Morocco alone has 14 million speakers 5. North Africa is not arap. It’s called North Africa not north arapia. Seriously where do you get your info from? Wikipedia? Btw girl you are absolutely stunningly beautiful.
It turns out that Tamazight is a family of languges not just one language.
@ Nope. Tamazight is one language, not a language family. Stop using wikipedia is my advice to you.
As a Native American, I have huge respect for the Amazigh people. Just like us, Amazigh langauges are suppressed. I remember reading about how people in Algeria tried putting up signs in Amazigh and they were taken by the authorities. It's similar in "latin" America. Native American languages are brutally suppressed.
Afro asiatique group ❌
Proto Libyan berber group ✅
it sounds absurd but the best thing we can do to preserve (dying) languages is to archive them. carve it in stone and make terra cotta tablets with translations. maybe it might be the next rosetta stone of the future!
Berber language is one of the only surviving languages (along with Basque) stemming from the ancient Atlantean language.
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They are NOT RELATED, I tell you as Basque myself. Maybe there are a handful of shared cognates but that's about it. Amazigh is Afroasiatic, Basque is Vasconic (and IMHO could be related to Nubian languages but not to Afroasiatic).
Atlantis was (IMNSHO) a Copper and Bronze Age civilization of what is now Portugal: lots of the details (but not all) fit Plato's description (I can extend if you wish). They probably spoke Vasconic (although you can't fully discard Amazigh completely, as that western third of Iberia has some 9% North African genetics). In Basque, I'd read "Atlantis" as "atari andi" = "great portal", with "portal" probably meaning "port" (which in Latin "portus" also derives from "porta" = "door" or "gate") but maybe having instead the meaning of "palace" as in Egyptian "per aa" = "great house" (which produces "pharaoh" for us).
In the Bronze Age, dolmenic megalithism (which is originally from Vasconic Western Europe and had in this real "Atlantis" a major hub) spread to the Mediterranean, including much of the Berber country (Algeria notably) but also all the way to Syria and Jordan, from where it spread into further Asia (eventually reaching remote places like Korea or India). Take this as a cultural and spiritual (religious) thing, not conquest, fueled by trade (Andalusia imported ivory from Syria already in the Copper Age, ancient trade and especially ancient Iberia is very underrated). This, together with the related Sherden (Nuraghic Sardinians) very apparent presence in Egypt (and often against Egypt) in the Late Bronze Age, sets the stage for a possible "Atlantean invasion" c. 1070 BCE, when the Amazigh conquered Lower Egypt and Greece (but not Athens, the heroes of Plato's story) was devastated.
Atlanteans were known as aethiops to the Greeks, Are you implying that Basque is actually descended from African languages?
@@uniformityofnature1488 - "Aethiopis" (Ethiopes or Black Peoples) has no relation with Atlanteas, the Ethiopes lived south of Egypt, Atlanteans far to the west "beyond the pillars" of Hercules (Gibraltar Strait).
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Nut nut
According to Gloogle translation it is nut-nut. It doesn't make sense.
@ Noot Noot 🐧