Female armor: Fantasy vs Reality
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Was Historical medieval female armor at all similar to how it is often depicted in fantasy art?
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A good number of viewers have claimed female armor made to emphasize two separate breasts would be hugely detrimental as it would direct incoming strikes to the sternum, yet still I feel this objection is a little short sighted. If there is a potential problem it’s not too hard to think of a solution instead of just saying it can’t be done.
As many have pointed out, an even dome over the woman’s bust to emphasize the female form like the picture at 12:06 wouldn’t have this potential problem, it’s still be properly angled to deflect strikes and look feminine.
But what two separate breast sections?
Firstly people rarely ever strike against the metal plates of armor in historical combat because *it’s hardened steel metal plate!* Some people seem to think a cavity in-between two shaped breasts in armor change this, remember it is still hardened steel with padding underneath and only the largest of strikes from something like a poleaxe would endanger it, just like regular armor regardless of breast domes. Most strikes will still be aimed at the gaps in armor, not the chest. sword strikes are particularly useless against steel plate regardless of the deflection capacity of the armor.
Second, the cavity in between each breast need not rest flat on the chest, in fact it can sit rather high with a peak right in the middle of the chest that would redirect those blows directed into the middle up over the chest or down and of to the side. There are sophisticated designs that can mitigate any potential problem of strikes being caught in the middle.
Third, even if two breast sections aren’t as effective as an even dome over the chest, people have sacrificed a little functionality for aesthetics quite a lot through history (metal codpiece armor primary example as well as the muscle breastplates made from Greece). Remembers it’s not nearly as earth shattering a weakness as some imply, the armor would still work very well in protecting the wearer, it is still hardened steel!
Of course, all this is well and good Shad...
But what about Dragons?...
I agree, but when it comes to molded breastplate does the blacksmith need to take the woman's measurements into account? Is a well endowed woman at a disadvantage because there is less room under the chestplate?
Please do a follow up video on it if possible... There's a lot of questions that still come up
I could see it happening, specially if representative of earlier designs and armor tech, such as the equivalent of Greek bronze armor, or if it's more cerimonial armor, but the better armor would probably a avoid the breasts being too much of two discrete bulges, and more likely to be a single bulge, maybe with some detailing and discreet differences in "altitude" to suggest two instead. The sides might be more prominent, at a higher inclination than strictly ideal, but I really find it doubtful that late, purposefully designed, rigid armor would really go for what would essentially be guide rails for a solid hit in a likely to be hit area such as the torso that would be two breasts.
I mean, let's avoid swords because they aren't going to cut unless the armor is really shitty, but a mace or hammer in a glancing hit on the inside of breast would become a solid hit on the center of the upper torso, while without the two discrete bulges, it'd, well, actually glance of and transfer a lot less energy to the fighter.
Of course, not all armor might be made to sell to dedicated warriors too, specially in settings where "adventurer" is legitimate and potentially well paying profession.
I was wondering about two seperate sections for another reason.
The padding underneath would need to be accounting for that as well as the armor itself.
Which is something I don't see to be practical. When thinking about sport bras it appears to me that a flattend chest far outweights the trouble of creating fitting bust sections.
In my stories I would therefore tend to use a design like shown at 12:06.
However, I can imagine a design with two seperate breast sections being a splendid choice for cermemonial armor.
Or for a guard at court for example, who represents the prestige of some noble born.
*Knight shows up to battle wearing boob plate*
*Takes off helmet*
*Its actually a guy who showed up late when all the men's armor was already gone*
'My armour's in the shop so I had to borrow the wife's. She'll be mad if I get it bent up too.'
If I lived in a medieval world where female armor existed I'd wear female armor just to mess with people lmao
@@catoticneutral medieval trap
@@catoticneutral If that is your goal then you should show up wearing boob plates AND a giant codpiece.
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"Is that a metal codpiece or are you just happy to see me?"
Yes.
Both
@@jasarigames4481 exactly what I was thinking
*ding 😏
@@chrissoup4683 OOOOHHH! Knew I would find this reply here haha!! Even though chances were only one in four!
Reality: The more you wear, the better defense you get.
Fantasy: The less you wear, the higher defense you get.
Its cuz their skin is rock solid man
bikini armor
straight male fantasy*
@Patrick Heneghan Full plot armor
in defense of bub armor i must remember that in greece and ancient rome they offer armors with the shape of an extremely outlined male body and they were functional and this is because the armor was not attached to the body like a piece of tight clothing so there was a "security space "where the armor could even sink without properly condemning the user in view of the shape, it is just an irrelevant aesthetic factor because having the safety space (as in the Greek abdominal armor) the sternum shape is easily contourable.
I love how respectful he is.
Yeah tru
A true gentleman
Don't forget humble and aprochable
I love when he gets fired up enough that he's almost disrespectful 😂
@@natethornnstuff1783 Key word: almost
Random person: "Boob plates are unrealistic!"
Medieval codpiece: *"Hold my magnum dong"*
Medival danny devito
Jajajajajajaja
Your Neighbour | Problem is, one is harmless, the other actually makes armour worse. Armour is intended to deflect blows away from your important bits. Boob plate draws the force of blows directly towards the chest, thanks to the prominent cleavage.
@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth r/wooosh
@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth I mean, boobs are round and would promote glancing too, so uh... dunno. A woman's breastplate actually might be better for glancing a blow that would otherwise be rib shattering. Never know.
So, as a woman who used to wear armor while sword fighting, I thought I'd mention some things. First, my boobs were so strapped in that no one actually knew I had much of a chest until I wore non-combat gear. My boobs weren't lifted and separated during combat, they were squished as flat as possible to keep them out of the way, secure and comfortably immobile. The reasons for this were many but the most important were 1, having my boobs move around a bunch while fighting was extremely uncomfortable and 2, getting hit in the chest without my boobs compressed hurt like mad. I forgot to pack my extra high impact sports bra with my armor one time...one time. It'd be like forgetting your cup. You remember when you get hit in the groin.
All that being said, having two inflexible bulges on my chest would also be annoying in an arm mobility sense. I really wouldn't enjoy having additional impediments to my arm swing.
I knew several women who fought and none of them wanted to emphasize their chest. While there certainly were changes that I had to make to accommodate my female forms (wider hips, narrower shoulders, etc), my chest area was flat. I wore metal scale with a padded gambison underneath. Esthetically speaking, I felt I looked pretty bad-ass, just saying.
That makes sense.
So a metal bikini never crossed your mind? Weird... 😅
pics or it didn't happen
that makes sense.
@@berrypretty6305 what exactly do you mean by that?
So, armor is technically unisex?
Yes, because everyone looks good in Plate and blood of ones enemies.
Trying to stay alive is pretty unisex ( ･ิω･)ﾉ ิ
"I need armor to protect me from fucking swords."
"Here u go m'lady sexy armor set for a queen."
"My abdomen and thighs are completely exposed, those are the most targeted places on the human body what is wrong with you?"
"Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh leageu of leg ends....hhhh"
Most armour worth wearing was tailored. A random person couldn't comfortably wear another's armour anyway. There might be armour tailored for a woman, but we simply don't know of each piece of armour we found whom it was made for.
The typical shape of the armour could fit your typical skinny medieval person, whether that person is male or female, but it's just incredibly unlikely a given piece of armour was tailored for a woman.
I would also like to add to Shad's point of why women wouldn't fight: women can actually birth the future and were regarded better caretakers in medieval times. Men were disposable.
as well as coffin
Peasant: *sees knight*
Peasant: Oh damn, he thicc.
She thicc
DAMN BOI
And I was like, damn Sire whatchu doin out here with all this ass?
She* goddamn it
@@Papa_Straight could be a dude
I can’t believe schlong armor is the first historical fact I learned in 2019.
Long live SCHLONG
THE MORE YOU KNOW
"My schlong is my only weakness" - Achilles of medieval times.
It's more worrying that it's been 5 days since you've learned a single thing
@@kaiserwigglesiii2369 he said "historical fact". people don't usually learn historical facts on a daily basis
Full body Armour: insta death
Armour just covering the boobies: arrows bounce off and blades deflected
Bust*
There's a simple scientific reason for that. In Games everything is an Entity so it is treated like an Object whether its NPC and Player or Weapons so Weapons are actually conscious and Decrease their speed when they are about to hit or sometimes just turn around and avoid harming such a Majestic uncovered area.
Sounds bout right
@@Clammon_ Titties*
Barely covering..
Every fantasy game’s female armor: T i d d i e s
Dark souls female armor: N O
That ain't gonna do shit you filthy C A S U L
@Brutal Beat *laughs in DS2 Desert Sorceress *
smough has words for you
I like Elder Scrolls Oblivion armour.
ZeldaLover6 smough kinda hot Ngl
God, all i can imagine is someone hitting that chrome codpiece with a particularly resonant thwack
And now I cant stop that running thru my mind while I laugh
Casey Hullfish “particularly resonant thwack” is the funniest phrase I have ever had the honor of reading or hearing in my entire life
Gets hit in the Codpice: *B O O O N G G G*
I can perfectly picture the noise. Thank you for this gift.
The only time where the bell sound gag when getting hit in the nuts would actually happen.
Female armour in real life : Full metal armour
Female armour in game : string
Ah yes, the only place possible to hit
helperbot 2000 yes impenetrable defence
@@charaznable2859 the strenght is unmatched
helperbot 2000 yes
@@charaznable2859 genious development
Henry’s plus-sized codpiece: exists
Me: Henry the 8th, you shall hensforth be known as Captain Compensation
Just imagine being his squire....
"BOY, grab thine oils and polish my Dong Box!!"
@@deangullberry5148 '"We must make sure that the most important part is highly protected!" Hey, one hit there and you're going down like a...sack...of bricks
Wasn't that made that way because at the time Henry suffered from syphilis on his junk? That piece of armor was made when he was much older and after the injury that led to him ballooning up in weight.
LOL! 🤣😆
The smallest dick in history. Just saying
At least I know where saying "balls of steel" came from
Oh my god
Begone
Sad duke nukem didnt like the use of armor
I didn't make that connection until this comment. Thanks for another fact that I can to sound smart.
👍😆🤣😁
There is also a lot more leeway for ceremonial armour as opposed to functional armour, especially true when considering female rulers
I'm reminded of that scene in The Dragon Prince where Prince Callum tries to go into battle in ceremonial armour only to be reminded of how impractical it is.
I found actual ceremonial plate like what you're talking about. Look up Varahi armor and you'll find it.
Ceremonial armor also gives a bit of a justification for "skimpy" designs, if the culture is very martial and emphasizes duty and sacrifice. A Queen could wear a revealing outfit resembling armor (because martial traditions) outside of combat as a way to show off battle scars, as a way of going "I am willing to put my life on the line for my people".
Even more so if the culture in question resides in a warmer climate, and wearing stuffy clothing would be uncomfortable.
Yeah google for Habsburg wedding armour
Queen Elisabeth [the first] and Queen Isabella of Spain were wearing those female "armour", not really functional but with visible emphasize of certain body parts ;)
So, let me get this straight.
Fantasy armor = boob dents in the plate
Real Life armor= crotch bulge in the leggings.
Thanks Shad.
I don't think they were intended to be worn into combat.
@@SleepyMatt-zzz On the other hand, do you think that they would make armor for their king that wouldn't actually function? I doubt a king would, say, lead a charge into battle, but worse comes to worst, it's going to need to function.
Besides, if it was easy enough to do (clearly not), most soldiers who could afford to, would have it. But from what I know about smithing in general, and armor smithing in particular...It would probably be expensive.
@@stevenn1940 It is probably jousting armour, since Henry VIII was in his youth a very strong and athletic man who participated in many tournaments.
Henry VIII lived after the era of the knights had already ended and well-trained foot soldiers with pikes and ranged weapons had already made the knight obsolete.
Non the less knighthood and chivalry became once more a very popular hobby of Renaissance upper class, including expensive suits of armour..
@@stevenn1940 "I doubt a king would lead a charge into battle" Hoo boy, John Hunyadi probably wished he could agree with you, with what he saw at Varna.
Or Richard the Third, there's a reason why King Charges stopped with him.
13:24 That young lady is King Arthur... yea, don't ask. I only will say that is Fate lol
Artoria Pendragon. The Grand Saber.
saber holding the excalibur
Ah one of my favorite anime
@@nebsam7137 Sucks it was taken off netflix
The old "bait and switch"
Title of the video "Female Armor"
Video contents: a lifetime supply of codpieces
my eyes werent ready...
I think they looked very fashionable.
@@razzaus1570 Sounds like small prick talk to me.
@@razzaus1570 You're the one person who has the right to say you were born in the wrong era.
@@animentamaxarius3931 LOL
I love how agreeable and positive this guy is.
So many of the the other youtubers in the historical arms community are so quick to basically shit on fantasy designs and write them off if they have even the slightest deviation from historical examples.
This guy seems to have a real love of fantasy and works really hard to focus on the good aspects of the designs without getting too worked up if a sword or shield has the slightest flaw or artistic embellishment
People shit on boob plate because it's a death trap. Armor was domed to deflect blows away from the sternum. Boob plate DIRECTS blows TOWARDS the sternum. Actual LARPers actually get injured when they're dumb enough to wear boob plate because it essentially forms an honest to God point that directs all force into the sternum.
Umm, that's because he has no formal education or knowledge on the subject and is basically just spewing conjecture out of his ass. Not a SINGLE legitimate source cited anywhere in the video. All of his videos are pretty just armchair-level monologuing.
"Boob plate" armor is unpractical and a great way to shatter your sternum.
@@Glaamdring UmM tHaTs BeCaUsE. Wait, no. You're spewing personal conjecture out YOUR ass, fuckface. "BoOb PlAtE wIlL sHaTtEr YoUr StErNuM lOl" Wow, let's think about that statement really quick, like lightning fast. So you take a typical domed armor chestpiece, doesn't have to be very domed (if you've looked at any real armor, ever,) and some add some light, hollow, tit shaped overlays on top... wow mind blown. 2:26 and 2:57 both achieve that. You'd have to be handicapped to not think of one, of the MANY ways this could safely be achieved. "BUT BUT" put a fucking stop rib there. I don't care.
YOU just don't LIKE it. IT is still FUNCTIONAL regadless of what YOU like. Fuck off.
Fucking dumbasses, man. MOMMY HE DIDN'T CITE SOURCES FOR SOMETHING A HANDICAPPED CHIMP SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONCEPTUALIZE.
@@Kaleestraza You need to reference my below comment, shit for brains.
He's a fantasy author, sooo...
TL;DR
> female armor didn't exist cause they didn't need it so much
> IRL male armor looked pretty "modern female" at some point, minus the titty plate
> no titty armour was made, but SCHLONG ARMOR was definitely made.
> its all down to A E S T H E T I C
SCHLONG ARMOR might just be my new most liked combination two words
i think the difference is breastplates were more or less already accommodating for the difference in form, but without the codpiece, you would have a gap in your armor, in, shall we say, a highly inconvenient spot, in particular for guys.
thank you very much
"female armor didn't exist cause they didn't need it so much"
That's because their skin is already harder than steel, right? NGL, it would be kinda funny if that was the justification for the all too frequent trope of fantasy women warriors not wearing any armour, or much of anything else.
Thinking that armor design is "all down to aesthetics" is completely missing the point. Aesthetic liberties can be taken as long as they don't affect effectiveness. Codpieces don't affect the function of armor, but boob-plates and badly-tapered breastplates certainly will.
Wait...... wait wait wait, a video that is sponsored by something other then Skillshare, Brilliant, Squarespace or random mobile game #936?
WHAT IS THIS MADNESS?! WHAT HAS THE WORLD COME TO?!?!
you forgot Audible. Still gave you a thumbs up ;)
You forgot dollar shave club
You forgot BetterHelp.
Also you forgot nordvpn (and a couple other vpns)
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Female armor IRL: Will protect most of the body
Female armor in anime and games: will protect their nipples
@Strike Striker so, a true asshat?
@The Crazy Cat Gentleman Joan never actually fought in battle.
True lmao in games even as simple as a skirt and the least breast covering armour gives my female characters tons of defense
Nah with how close they are to the nipple the friction of an unfortunately quick turn would chaff it right off.
@@rvt_h3d Most people didn't, since armor was expensive and the majority of people simply too poor to buy it.
Can you imagine having to be the blacksmith who has to make the codpiece?
"Alright, here ya go."
"...Bigger."
"Come again?"
"Bigger! I need a magnum cod befitting my monster dong!!!"
-Blacksmith pauses and stares at Knight before turning and grabbing something off the table-
"Here ya go."
"...this is a thimble"
"Befitting."
Follow up:
Knight: OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!
Whoops I dropped my monster condom for my magnum dong
@Afqwa Interesting... but... did that work? I mean; the peasants sueing the kings?
@@mariobenedicto3582 No it probably ended with the king having the knight wear the original codpiece and basically tell him to grow up, that is the best case, skilled blacksmith takes a long time to develop their skills, killing them over the inflated ego of one knight would be considered tragic at best, an absolutely stupid and ineffective use of manpower at worst. If they did that to one blacksmith, the other blacksmiths would simply pack the essentials and leave the kingdom as fast as they could. There are other people who would appreciate their talents, skills, and efforts.
History is filled with despots, “royalty,” and, “nobility,” that wielded thier power with irrationality, emotional flare ups that rapidly brought about violence that many modern cultures would be horrified by. Yes, blacksmiths, especially knowledgeable, experienced, and skilled ‘smiths were valuable to those in power. But life was HARD back then, and most were powerless and often viewed by those in power as without any real value or importance. And to just pack up and leave was not an easy thing to do. Most people outside the ruling class struggled to feed themselves and their families (usually multi-generational households and particularly difficult to grab your stuff and go, even if you were fortunate, and wealthy, enough to own a cart to carry belongings, like very heavy ‘smithing implements, and raw materials, food, ale, because a lot of water was not drinkable with no sewage treatment AT ALL, and fortunate and wealthy enough to have a healthy and strong animal to pull the cart). There was also very little chance in those days of an entire group or class of people all rising up in defiance and unified reaction because of an irrational and senseless violent act like this. In the rare instances where this did happen it was the result of generations of cruelty, or the powerful stepping on and crushing the downtrodden and essentially powerless. History is filled, though to a lesser frequency of occurrence, of these events. They are called revolution. Beheading a single blacksmith would hardly spur a kneejerk reaction where the other ‘smiths just “walk off the job.” THAT, a blacksmith telling a “nobleman” and knight, whom were part of the small ruling elite class, that you’re walking off the job, which was hard enough to earn over years of servitude, because the irrational violence befalling another blacksmith... well, THAT would likely bring about a similar result as was the first blacksmith. Royalty in many of these cultures was ordained by God and the royalty was viewed in a very similar light, and to speak out against these ruling elites, let alone act against the ruling elites , was considered heresy and definitely punishable by death. We don’t even have to look deep into history to find horrific examples of power being wielded by irrational and explosively emotional outburst of extreme violence. Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, Haiti, Chile, Panama, the Philippines, Cambodia, in recent decades, have all provided examples of the powerful brutalizing, savagely, the populations they control. It’s nice to think about the people having power them selves, and the ruling class having to be attentive and responsive to those people‘s concerns, but unfortunately, the peasants and even skilled craftsmen and artisans did not wield anywhere near this level of power or influence. It’s nice to think that supply and demand would have some influence, and some ability of the people to keep the power of the ruling class in some form of checks and balances, but it’s not like a machinist, or carpenter, or modern day blacksmith or fabricator can walk off the job in one town and find other opportunities in that same town or down the road in the next town. They would have to travel great distances to find the next ruling class that would pay them for their skills and equipment and productivity. And there is no guarantee that when they travel to the next fiefdom that they would be even welcomed into that community. A member of a blacksmith guild in one population, controlled by ruling elites, May not be welcomed into the new blacksmithing guild. Like I said, these jobs were hard to come by, and if I am a blacksmith and a father of two boys that I am trying to bring into these positions of actual economic value, The blacksmith coming into my area is competition for my children or grandchildren, and represents one less opportunity for my family to hold those positions. So it’s a very nice thought, But one blacksmith losing his head because he insulted someone on a higher social strata, especially in such a personal way, may in fact have led to a quick slash of the blade and honor have been restored, but the other blacksmiths in that kingdom or fiefdom would be more concerned with keeping their own heads attached to their own necks then to stand up for justice for John Smith a mile from my front door. Oh, and guess who would be knocking at that blacksmith store looking to have work done? And he is probably not looking to negotiate terms, other than those he dictates... and he definitely wouldn’t have a good sense of humor.
Ok, enough stream of consciousness commentary. My thanks to any who read to this point, my apologies to those who for some reason choose to be offended by opinions whether backed by any evidence or none at all. It’s all just opinions and words. And my sincere apologies, for my misspellings, for my poor grammar, and for my apparent and probably needless verbosity.
I want to complain about the breast plate cleavage but the cod piece (also pointy shoes) is a good counter argument.
Maybe cleavage would be more complex and not worth the trouble but then again erection armor.
Well not sure what these knights were wearing underr their amor but I doubt that they would have elasticity to put their boner to the right/left in their amor without seriously crushing it against metal plates
Big Codpiece Energy
breastplate cleavage, I'm thinking of that attack deflection bit Shad mentioned. wouldn't that grove going up the center of the breastplate guide pointy weapons up at the head and neck rather than deflect off to the side? Maybe more complex to make, and doubtful for effectiveness in battle.
Then there is also the ancient Greek sixpack armour! It's not medieval, but it's another historical example of armour emphasizing aesthetic body shapes
It really isn't a good counter-argument, if you spend a few minutes thinking about it.
Those codpieces were designed to be round for the same reason a breastplate was rounded: To deflect impact onto a less vulnerable or vital area.
If you smashed a man in the crotch and it wasn't well protected, you'd essentially won the fight, because it causes intense, completely incapacitating pain. The overlarge size existed for the same reason as the gap between the breastplate and chest did. Which was to allow for padding and to soften the damage from impact.
The reason boobplate doesn't work it that it does the exact OPPOSITE of what a breastplate is designed to do. Instead of deflecting a strike away from the centre of the chest, it will be channelled directly into it.
Imagine a strike from the spike of a hammer aimed at the middle of a standard breastplate? It would be very likely to glance off.
Now imagine the same strike on the standard boobplate you see in fantasy artwork? All the force would be directed straight into the middle of her chest. Or a strike directed at the underside of the boob protrusion, which would make piercing it far easier.
In a world where women fought in armoured battles, they'd be wearing something like what he addressed at 12:00.
I love how professional he is in the video. There is not a single snicker about anything sexual and he uses non-sexual terms for different things
S C H L O N G
@@matthewbulger1968 so what is your point
Al42 M0r4l35 Can you not figure it out yourself?
@@sergeantrainstorm1269 don't see what is so bad in saying schlong
Al42 M0r4l35 Are you feeling ok?
Imagine an RPG with a codpice slot
No, just no. Please. Don't give anybody ideas.
Really surprised I haven’t seen any codpieces in RPGs now that you mention it 0:
Laughs in cyberpunk2077
@@eon6431 That doesn't count that's advanced character design
@@katyungodly Lol, If I was choosing what my cod piece design I will choose a skull design.
There’s meaning in it but I ain’t telling you that.
Aesthetics is a relevant part on armor/uniforms. Remenber, even in the most bloody war a warrior will spend 99,9% of his time not fighting...
Yeah 30% walking around, .1% fighting and 69.9% dead
World War I: 100% fighting
@@MicroageHD NO they mostly sat in a trench
I guess with ranged weaponry, the percentage could potentially be a little lower.
Not to mention gotta make sure everyo e knows what god you follow with all the golden adornments. Lol
What! You actually mean to tell us that in an age where seeing a doctor with any kind of injury or ailment worse than a sprained ankle or a common cold was almost guaranteed to kill you rather than cure you, most people avoided circumstances more dangerous than their regular job if they could choose?
*I AM SHOCKED!, SHOCKED I SAY*
I mean... Medicine had to start at some point and we all know that starts are never usually smooth.
Lets say when people were testing the waters that is Medical science, people died.
@Yevhenii Diomidov I think that's heavily dependent on upbringing and enviroment. Of course, no one *wanted* to get injured and die, but living in this enviroment and being taught like the war is a part of life, you'll probably be relatively okay with the thought in comparison to most modern day people.
Also, our current view of war is really influenced by WW1. As far as I understand, it REALLY changed social perspective on wars.
as far as i know these irregular armor where used by lords. they did not even went into battle
it started in egypt and went through so much of a roller coaster. x.x
this is one of his worst videos and almost all he says is wrong or only half true , or he fails to understand that the middleages did end around 1500 and usualy the things he dhsoes are referred to as rennaissance or early modern equipement.....
it hurts just so much
This video is much more informative than I was expecting when I saw the title. The fact that medieval people did quite a lot to make their armor reflect their aesthetic is eye-opening.
New title: shad being semi-uncomfortable for 14 minutes
If I have women in my army, I would really really really prefer my enemies NOT BE ABLE TO PICK THEM OUT OF THE GROUP.
well shit, that's a pretty good point
Custom armor would not be meant for rank-and-file troops. More generals and commanders. Most standard troops would get standard armor, meaning it would most likely be unisex for ease of production.
Maybe it’s an advantage. Some men might be uncomfortable hitting a lady, make their attacks less effective.
@TGDSHARK what does that have to do with this
@@danielaramburo7648 in real life, in war, when you are fighting for your life... worrying about hitting a woman is gonna be the least of your problems.
I usually really don't watch these kinds of videos,
even though i do have an interest in fantasy and medieval times,
i never went out of my way to really get into it.
But i have to say, this is a great video, and i couldn't click away.
I guess it was the combination of genuinely good information and structure,
and your sympathetic charm as a person and youtuber.
I just haven't had this in a long time, where i feel the need to
express how wholesome and nice a video is.
I immediately subscribed to your channel and wanted to let you know
that you're doing great!
he was actually the first pro YTer I got into
I keep seeing so many RUclips profile pics of plague doctors recently wtf they're everywhere
He is also full of shit
ruclips.net/video/eF-5ryUHAHA/видео.html
@White-Van Helsing I can understand that. I used to have countless nightmares of them tho
@@RamusHelstein That doesn't prove anything. That video is outlining why you shouldn't use any armour shaped in such a way, regardless of the fact that *it never existed anyway.*
Thanks shad, im glad I learned about schlong plates today.
you're not the only one
The only suit of 'female' armor I've ever seen was in a Tokyo museum back in the 1990's. It was a 15th Japanese partial set and aside from the size it was almost indistinguishable from the male suits. I remember the card said something about a Samurai's wife wearing it.
Intriguing. Something that comes to my mind, though, is the design difference between medieval knight armor, and medieval samurai armor
This 'Campfire' thing looks promising.
I can now create a comprehensive list of characters I've killed off in various horrible ways.
Guys, I found the DM!
Joshua, your campaigns sound fun
Mr. Martin, please stop.
Now i know the reason why people kill off characters for no well explained reason other than "He had to"
"He had to" actually means i can't remember who this person is so... he dead.
Honestly, not sure why we added any other features. Next update we'll remove everything except a Death List! ;D
Oh, I completely forgot about codpieces. That will haunt me for the rest of the month, thank you so much for that, Shad.
I had no idea they existed till today I can say that I would have been perfectly happy being ignorant of that fact
Ok legit question about codpieces, I understand that they may be used to emphasize the male regions, but what if they did serve a purpose? Awkward as it sounds, what if a knight became aroused while wearing armor? I feel like having some room would be beneficial vs having their manhood trapped against a metal wall.
@@markbyrd7710 why would they get aroused in a battle
@@Goblinsharkhundredsofthem you don't wear armor exclusively for battle. And I don't know! People are weird.
@@Goblinsharkhundredsofthem physical exertion could raise heart rate, causing unexpected reactions (especially if higher heart rate equals higher blood pressure).
Also if you're facing high fantasy foes with form fitting (and accentuating) armour, it could be one of their tactics to throw off their opponent's game
My wife has been feeling down lately... *"BLACKSMITH!"*
"Yes, my Lord?"
*"I want you to forge the biggest cockpiece that has ever been known to mankind"*
Blacksmith: **stares in awe*
*a cod piece so long and thicc it can also function as a battering ram
Oh.... One of *those* wives.
@TGDSHARK what?!
TGDSHARK what the crap, cancer is extremely serious. Don’t wish someone to have it because you didn’t like a joke
@TGDSHARK I hope you smell my number45 fart
Really liked this breakdown!
I think boob plate armour is fine, except one major thing: I do not think it would be practical to have separate bulges for each boob, but rather one bulge for the breastplate. It makes sense that you would not want to draw the sword MORE towards the center of the chest, and instead would want it to glance off the body.
Even though I prefer the 2-cup design I totally your point is right. I actually saw a REAL 2-cup armor recently used by female fencers. The wearer talked about how the sternum piece is actually reinforced to account for turning the blade inward.
Yeah, I agree with you.
The Onion Knight armor from Dark Souls is the most practical armor design out there, as long as you're not fighting in very, very cramped quarters.
@@AkameOda thats so fascinating!! But yeah if these were being produced on a mass scale, then it makes sense that instead of using extra metal to both reinforce and perfectly define each boob, you'd just have one breastplate.
No you want it going throw the center to avoid hitting the heart you baffoon :P JK
So campfire sounds like a Dungeon Masters dream tool I may have to check it out next time I get a campaign going
Why not use it before hand, to set up the campaign?
That's what I'm gonna do.
Miles Matheson because players never actually follow the story
We're certainly glad you think so! We have all storytellers in mind when designing this, and we think our DND users are going to be really excited about the Encyclopedia Update this month to keep track of items and enemies! Thanks for this comment :)
When I hear D&D and story pre made. I can't help but hear Barbosa saying his quote on his view of Pirate Rules.
Dungeons and dragons will greatly benefit indeed
Holy hell, that campfire ad was the very first ad that I actually enjoyed hearing about.. and I *HATE* ads lol
I liked the video for the ad before the actual content began. XD
Agreed! But I am guessing you're a writer? 'Cos I am a hobby writer myself.
@@mariobenedicto3582 im personally just a semi-professional roleplayer. And making a map is what interested me most.
You can be a professional roleplayer?
I'm saving for PRO
Everyone must remember that the armor that we have in museums today with metallic codpeices were for parade or ceremonial dress. In the SCA decades ago, we were concerned about our female fighters being as protected as the guys. As Shad pointed out, the chest area in a cuirasse was merely enlarged so she could fit comfortably. The problems with "boob plate" is varied. Firstly, the boobs act as shot directors to the sternum, much like bad tank armor deflecting incoming shots to a weak area of the glacis (or where ever). Secondly, those rounded protuberances caught an incoming blow easily. Not good. Finally, if she fell face forward, and these things happen - even to men - the contact of the boob-plates would direct an increased force straight onto the woman's sternum. Bruising, cracking or breaking the sternum can possibly lead to death. If not death, the person is fully incapacitated from the pain and inability to breathe.
In my fantasy game, there is no "boob-plate" unless she wants it, custom made. Same thing for the ridiculous armored codpieces that protruded so far: custom made. Otherwise, wear a normal-sized piece of armor.
Oh your right! I’m picturing falling forward with ‘boob armor’ lol and ow! My sternum hurts just thinking about it! Well that scratches out the idea completely right there!
I always liked Saber's armor it's sensible.
He made a followup where he addresses a lot of these statements.
ruclips.net/video/6KHz0qWQA9I/видео.html
Man you know that in the past women didn't fight right?
@@Ori-ni4oe Oh? The Scythian kurgans' remains indicate differently, as do the new analyses if Viking age burials. In tribal situations, women can and did fight, some from choice. Only when centralized governments of large nation-states arose, did the necessity of female warriors decline or disappear.
Shad Fact: Shad widened the Grand canyon by two feet with is bare hands
lols, keep em coming!
That moment.
What Moment?
The Moment.
Which one?
That one moment when you didn't say "Moment"
I thought that was Chuck Norris
that sounds wrong. shouldnt that be called widened it by 2 hands? how can you widen something by feet if he did it with his hands?
@@TheAderwolf I was gonna say something just like that :P
Nice one! The only additional thing that was mentioned, but not explicitly is the way the breastplate will need to NOT be breast-shaped but still remain a dome, as to deflect blows, rather than guide to the sternum.
DwarfInBlues it would give a whole new meaning to the word cleavage.
@@Beamer1969 Ouch...
Eeesh, yeah. One heavy blow or even a bad fall and you've got a vicious steel wedge being driven RIGHT into the sternum. That'd take the fight out of anyone pretty bloody quickly...
for sure, people definately need to know the difference between boobplate and aesthetic. The medieval female silhouette didn't really emphasize boobs, the undergarments of the time made a straiter line down the front.
even modarn clothing while more fitted doesn't create a "sock" around each breast.
Tell me, when in a fight have you ever been looking straight on at your opponent? With a proper fighting stance and maneuvering you are extremely unlikely to ever get a straight on look at your opponent. Therefore any shots that may be "guided to the sternum" would actually be covered by the side of the boob plate and actually be deflected out and down or out away from the target.
I know this comment is way late and bound to be drown out, but how did you miss Caterina Sfoza's armor? It's real, it's in a museum today, and she actually fought in it (at least once according to record).
just looked it up. its just regular armor.
one would say unisex in design.
@@nickvanachthoven7252 exactly
Good addition to already mentioned Joan of Arc. Both wore regular armors.
@@darkstarmike85 so there's nothing specifically "female" about it. It's just armour.
@@TomorrowWeLive What do you mean? It was made for a woman. Are you just disappointed it doesn't have breasts?
Anyone else watching in 1346, its great to know how my wifes armour is made
@1 lira dude, its a joke
@@peachiichipchiii i think he's joking as well
@1 lira ... no comment
PRETZEL KING Lol he tried to r/whoosh but got r/whooshed instead
@@nathanenos2322 but he didnt do a woosh? So you played yourself...
WAIT!!! The codpiece is out of style??? I've been wearing my codpiece every day and people couldn't stop staring at it's greatness.
Very fishy
*magnificent*
But is it an armored codpiece?
@@Rathori Am I going to war? No, it was my daily codpiece. Who do you take me for sir?
Ill think ill wear the BLACK RUSSIAN Today!
Writers: Hey, campfire actually looks like it could be a good tool to help organize my writing!
Me: I... I could use this to organize my d&d campaigns !
That's exactly what I was thinking!
Yeah, my friends and I are working on a story arc for our roleplay community, and I thought it would come in handy. However, it doesn't look like there's any kind of share feature, so no go. :(
@@talulashippe I suppose it depends on what your dm style is like. Im personally not too worried about it for my campaigns. If my players need to know a lump of info or request something i can just copy and paste. But maybe theyll introduce a share option for collaborative storytellers somewhere down the road!
@@xXxKillerDovexXx I get what you're saying, but I am not a dm in any kind of campaign. I share story arcs with other roleplayers in an online community. Bit different.
@@talulashippe Ah my bad totally misread xD Running on no sleep was gonna mess up my reading comprehension sooner or later I suppose 😂
Given the historical precident, yes it wouldn't be out of the question for a woman's armor to be made to suit that more feminine aesthetic, but also it would likely have to be a very wealthy woman or one with a wealthy sponsor\benefactor to have custom armor like that made, since practically the "male" stock armor should still be able to accomodate her figure as you said.
That campfire program looks handy as a role playing game master
I agree. As a writer and roleplay GM, I was actually looking for something of the like. Also, this is the first sponsored video in which I actually am curious about the sponsored content.
Worldanvil is also a great one and its tailored a little better for gamemastering in my imo
I've heard they try to tailor their software to all storytellers, not just people writing novels or screenplays.
I've even heard that they have a decent chunk of DND users already, and their Encyclopedia Update coming out this month will be huge for users wanting to use Campfire for DND so they can keep track of items, monsters, and the like easier.
Just stuff I've heard, but what do I know? ;D
Thanks for bringing up the medieval stylistic difference from our own. I fell like a lot of people miss that aspect.
As a side note, while stylistic choices influenced amour, a lot of functional aspects of armour influenced style. The small waist of armour allows flexibility that a modern long style breast plate wouldn't. Even ancient Greek/roman muscled amour (you know the type, looks like abs and pecs) went up to the waist instead of actually covering the abs they modeled. That said medieval armours took small waists further than likely necessary, so it's emphasizing and creating form, not just pure function. So it seems to me they had to have a small waist on armour for function, people saw that and grew to like small wasits, so they emphasied small waists even more.
Oh, also I've seen some historic medieval manuscripts of women in amour (like depictions of John of Arc) where they clearly have boobage. lol. So the medieval mind didn't think it was completely impractical. So if women did fight back than it's certainly possible they'd at least have tried it out. I'd have to do some digging to find it again but if you want I could find it.
Well - looks like "fantasy armor" is older then I thought! So the concept of female fantasy armor clearly existed at the time - right alongside examples of REAL "fantasy armor" being made for kings and very, very rich men. Most of the best-preserved stuff in museums are art pieces that were clearly never intended for practical use, even if they were technically 'wearable'. Would not surprise me at all if some historian found an example of a very rich man ordering up a female 'fantasy armor' set. ^_^
So that justifies the use of "fantasy female armor" in any alt-history or fantasy book you want.
"Oh, also I've seen some historic medieval manuscripts of women in amour (like depictions of John of Arc) where they clearly have boobage. lol. So the medieval mind didn't think it was completely impractical."
Moron... you just admitted that a DEPICTION of Joan of Arc depicted her with impractical boob armor. How does, by itself, imply that is wasn't 'completely impractical' to the medieval mind and just them taking artistic license as artists, especially medieval artists with all their 'Here by Dragons' stuff on maps and stuff, are want to do? By your twisted abuse of logic, are you telling me that people who draw bikini armor think that's practical rather than just following the rule of cool? Because even people who draw bikini armor will tell you it's not practical and they're just doing it because of the rule of cool and for cheap TNA to get people looking.
www.tor.com/2013/05/06/boob-plate-armor-would-kill-you/
@@VunderGuy Well clearly the medieval artists weren't amours or even fighters themselves but they did live in that culture and had some understanding of armour. For example I've never seen a medival depiction of bikini armour or any armour that leaves tons of skin shown. Nor do you see armour with huge spikes (though a few did have noticeable ones) So they had some sense. That fact that they didn't dismiss the idea indicates something. Plus it show they didn't think it was stylistically out of line. As far as if it could be built safety I don't know but cod pieces certainly have disadvantages too, yet still existed.
@JoeRingo118 To be fair, the argument of "bikini armors" not being practical is not saying it didn't exist, just that it wouldn't be *practical* to use in combat with a fully armored (in plate) opponent. The historical examples you use are all examples of peoples that did not have the money/access to resources for making plate armor. We aren't talking about what happened in history here, we are talking about what was best for combat.
Just because it was done doesn't mean it was or is optimal. And that should be common sense, shouldn't it? Besides your proper point of *some* (not most) armor forms being more harmful than helpful against very specific weapon types and strikes, I think anybody in their right mind would rather have a full set of proper plate armor over "at most, 1 bracer, 1 shin plate, one helmet and one breastplate." It's just obviously not advantageous.
Also "boob armor" would probably be much more challenging and expensive to make than armor that just has a single bulge, in addition to the decreased effectiveness of the armor.
Shad: "What do ya see there? A big ol-"
Henry the 8th: "*SHLONG*"
A lot of parallels between feudal royalty/nobility and modern hollywood/celebrity. These days the exaggerated schlong is just made from flimsy film instead of hard metal.
Machicolashlong?
5:10
You spelled schlong wrong
You could tell that at a couple of points he was trying his darndest to not be offensive.
Which is very weak.
Victor The Defiler No, it’s decent.
@@mamavswild No, you are just beta bucks deluxe
@@mamavswild Not saying the truth as it is is not good but yeah he was very decent in his presentation.
The one thing that I find quite unrealistic about a lot of female fantasy armour is how tight it is to the frame. The chest pieces are often practically metal corsets which don’t allow for any real manoeuvrability. I find this very impractical.
Male armor has a corset, it's to keep presser of the shoulders.
@AP P just because it's fiction doesn't mean we can't make improvements to something that seems unrealistic...? what makes you think that just because it's fake the creators don't mind it looking fake? I'm literally here because I'm an artist. my interest from this video was to make my art seem more real. and emily brings up a good point
The problem with female armor looking tight has nothing to do with the armor itself. Does it look like a corset? It's supposed to. In essence, heavy armor is a metal casing, not a kimono or bath robe. There is no manoeuvrability for the chest. It has to be practical around the arms and the legs, nothing more. Men did not strut around in armour every day. Armor is designed for a job. You dont hear a welder complain that his helmet is not practical to watch tv. The biggest problem I have with female armor in fantasy most of the times is not the armor but the character that looks like she has the body of a five years old with breasts (thus having armor in proportion). Fantasy has some decent fantasy designs that do not renege practicality. It's the character's anatomical design that sucks.
I would imagine form fitting armor on a female would be pretty hard to breathe, the single curved plate would be much better at keeping you alive.
Honestly, you're more likely to be killed by tripping long before you even see the enemy
Henry the 8th was trying to protect the royal jewels, not show off his junk lol. He struggled for a male heir.
"Well... There is a thing called a 'codpiece'."
Wow, that's subtle. HAHAHA
Oh, so that's what rhino in Warframe has. A codpiece
Say that in front of a person who enjoys Call of Duty along with the picture and that person would think you're joking and making fun of that person. Then when that person searches it himself, he realizes how stupid he was being.
That's saying if a person who enjoys Call of Duty even exists, of course.
Yeah, I was eating Chili when I got a cockblast to my face. I legitimately recoiled.
@@kaiserwigglesiii2369 um... Phrasing?
@@AmorDeae Rhino has a wedge, damn near similar to the shape of an hatchet blade. imagine if his Charge was more of a tactical pelvic thrust.
Thank you, Shad, for keeping us abreast of this kind of information.
Ah, clever
OK RUclips FFS I WATCH IT
same here .. no idea why, but since its suggested.. why not
Megumin, good choice! I see you're a fellow degenerate as well
Just hit not interested. That's what I do.
Hmmm i wonder why Megumin has to watch videos about armor
I am here for the same reason.
Well, during combat you want to impose the enemy and undermine his morale since the very begining. I think codpiece may do the trick
My Schwartz is bigger than your Schwartz
Well it certainly shows what to aim for
Finally, a good codpiece for my MAGNUM DONG
Oh no someone used Warhammer on my monster codpiece for my magnum dwang
No one named Chad has ever had a "magnum" dong ever lol🤙
@@ryanoneill5063 r/wooosh
Why do I feel like this is Danny DeVito quote?
Chad Man, why do I see so many people use that profile image? Could you please explain to me? Thanks👍
Shad: "Boob armor could be practical."
"This Is The Way."
The reason you had a thin waist was to put the weight of the armor on the hips versus shoulders. Only ceremonial armor or Jousting armor broke the thin waist rule.
all that added weight and sudden movements focused at a single point at the base of the spine...nothing good ever comes of that
To the contrary, such a weight distribution would gird up and protect the straightness of your back, as your back is basically held in traction from shoulder to hip.
@@scottmantooth8785 Makes sense. Ever hiked with a heavy pack? All the weight on your hips, not your shoulders. Lowers the center of gravity too.
@@MartinFeatherstone been hiking many times albeit years (if not decades ago (yeah i'm old) even on the fairly level easy trails you noticed the difference right away...
interesting, that's what hiking packs do too
Medieval cod-pieces are kinda like a teenage or preteen girl stuffing her bra...
But it’s a full-grown and rich man...
Lol XD
Beats stuffing cucumbers into pants.
I think there are quite a few adult women that use "padded" bras, and other tricks to make their bust look bigger.
Yeah, nowadays instead of stuffing the codpiece they just get a yacht
@@cam4636 And then stuff it into their pants
Yes; I love breast and feminine feature, but I never thought about how we try to integrate our most desired feature in our clothing could also evolve into armour design. Great video as always
No it isn't. It's excusing a horrible trope that needs to be eliminated, especially whenever creators are supposed to be playing things straight and not tongue and cheek.
www.tor.com/2013/05/06/boob-plate-armor-would-kill-you/
@@VunderGuy The video wasn't about "boob armor though, but about female armor in general.
@@VunderGuy you are an idiot.
@@VunderGuy Yeah I know about the article subject of weapons deflection and force still passing through and causing internal damage due to the shape of armor but this always bother me. Look at the lorica musculata; mechanically you don't want a flat surface due to force of an object has more surface area to hit an transfer energy to pass through your body. But armour isn't usually wear on top of your skin you will have padding to prevent chaffing and to act as shock absorber especially if we go back to medieval setting and look at the gambeson. Now going back at the lorica musculatas' mechanical problem of protecting against powerful force passing through the body it seem problem is somewhat alleviated by the supplement of a shield. Combine with military training and we see a time when body shape armour was a acceptable military grade equipment if use with it accompanying accessories. But with the evolution of the arm race we see the introduction of physics in armour shaping to deflect blow away of the user and to reduce force impact to form the iconic knights armour. Yet we still try to put fashion in it whether being engraving, different helmet shape, or a well endowed cod piece. Even if any of this modification could interfere with the armour defensive property against high impact force say a war hammer it could be alleviated with a shield. So if in a world where woman where equal to man in a battlefield then we should also see the female counterpart of an arm race and cultural display melding evolution to bear fruit in the form of armour with accentuate feminine feature. Just as how we have lorica musculata to a medieval accentuation of male genitalia implicated in armour.
To make a long story short: *I WANT BOOBIES!!!*
@@VunderGuy Also thank you for providing a link to your discussion and if anybody want a videos of the flaw in boobies armour and too much sexual accent at the cost of defense. Metraton has a videos on it.
ruclips.net/video/Et7l3Fjsjao/видео.html
Don't know how reliable this site is (my phone keep crashing when I stay to long at this site) but could be the beginning of the armour shaping to accommodate the female body and race due to hair.
www.stripes.com/news/us/military-changing-body-armor-to-better-fit-women-on-the-battlefield-1.528872
If true it still doesn't compare to what court etiquette were. Where you wanted the palest face or the most develop calves or which man has a *thick* Daddy pencil.
Hope those brave woman get every advantage they can get so they can come home safely.
Today I learned that the female knight equivalent is called a "Dame"
Source?
@@mrobligatory.5234
Wikipedia? I think? If you want a real answer, you'll have to see that page's (probably the one on knights) own sources, and sorry for not being very sure, I first saw this a while ago.
@@Potato-pn8sg it’s ok, thank you very much.
Judi Dench, for example
HUMMINUH HUMMINUH WHAT A DAME
This was super informative. I was expecting you to complain about how people today portray females in armor, but you were super realistic.
I think this video is the only thing feminists and anti feminists both like
@@adriancorvais5506 No they sadly don't. Feminists would not like him saying that there were a very little number of womans that did fight. Just look at Kingdom's Come getting the prize of "The most sexist game of 2018". Why? Because woman there were only wifes and or romantic interests. Which they actually historically in that period were. They just don't like the true.
@@TsusakuCohenat I'm a feminist and this video is true, why wouldn't it be? Also, video games are not real life, wake up.
@@Carols989 no video games are not real life, however the makers of that game tried to make it as close to life in that time period as possible and as a result it's likely the most realistic depiction of those times you'll ever see (game play elements not withstanding) so your argument doesn't really hold up.
@@Carols989 feminist hate fantasy female armor. Maybe you arent as feminist as you think you are. Maybe you're just along for the ride.
Guessing advertising being a woman would have made medieval men think "easy target" too. That could have advantages but if they're focused on killing you I think it's probably somewhat of a downside.
If you've never seen Beserk there's a fight (just before the 100 men vs Guts (Gutsu in Japan) fight) that yes has a similar thing. One of the enemies leading the opposing force spots Casca (though she's not wearing tit armour I should point out) and upon realizing she's a ....she, he targets her. Later two of his men try raping her. I do suggest beserk by the way...the manga, or anime, not really the movies though due to their quality though I hear that the guys who did the Castlevania anime on Netflix want to do a Beserk anime.
@@Darek_B52 not much realizm in berserk but I liked that Casca used clever cuts like cutting their armpit, instead of ignoring armor.
@@kosimiki True (hell even they make fun of Guts sword at the start) But her armour is (in terms of chestplate) is practical.
Well that kind of depends on the following: Is the man in question used to fighting: If not he would maybe choose to not fight the woman, because a female on the battlefield? Either she has guards to protect her if she is not used to fighting or she is a skilled fighter on her own if she is alone. Or she is used as bait to lure the enemy into a trap, arbalists waiting for easy shots and the like.
@@Darek_B52 I'd say a good part of the arms and armours in berserk are very well designed, I was very pleased with that aspect of the manga
Thank you! People now-a-days tend to think of medieval(/insert your time period here) people as utterly pragmatic and feelingless drones and forget that fashion was a thing back then. Not absolutely everything was made with function in mind.
But the schlong armor WAS functional. It basically served as a fancy cup so you don't get stabbed in the dick. The boob cups on fantasy armor would look nice, but one hit to that wedge o' steel in the middle would crumple it like a beer can. Now, a dome that's higher up on the chest? That'd work and look good. Individual boob cups are just fanservice, let's admit it.
It is still worth noting that the most prominent example he had was a king's armor. That kind of detail would have taken a lot of time and skill, so you'd expect to see it on the higher nobles and royalty while your average knight would have much more bland armor.
On this channel I probably don't need to add that anyone below a knight probably couldn't afford full plate until almost the renaissance , but it's RUclips so I will just in case.
THANK YOU SHAD! This is the BEST analysis I have ever seen on the female armor matter.
I am familiar with a local medieval combat group that offers fee-based instruction in the late medieval Italian style. I was very impressed with the female in the group, GF to the leader. She was a bit busty but strong & tall. She wore full plate armor made in India to western European late medieval aesthetics. The plate was quite strong partially from it's curvature. This same curvature offered her ample space such that she could allow me to strike a modest blunt hammer blow directly to her bust without any discomfort.
Tackling these questions is exceptionally valuable to understanding history as well as for reenactments, entertainment, fiction-writing & gaming.
(The deal was, if I hurt her, she or HE, would then experiment upon my unarmored form)
My biggest question concerning metallic armor is its wearability in very low temperatures -below freezing. How was armor worn when temperatures dipped so low, or was it largely avoided due to the "refrigerator effect" modern soldiers experience in armored vehicles?
The padding, certainly could be increased & heavy cloaks worn over the top, BUT in great cold today, the last thing I want on near body is a chunk of cold-radiating metal. Then there are the issues of increased bulk hampering range of motion & causing fatigue all by itself.
I hope you can notice & address this issue bc I think YOU are the correct man for the job.
TYVM in advance,
Ironfish
Although it might not be quite the source you want, I have worn Armor in the freezing cold of night in my home of melbourne, australia, although it never got below freezing (4 degrees celcius would probably be the coldest), I've never felt cold wearing it. To be fair, I also wear 2 layers of clothing and a gambeson.
(I wear the same thing even when its a stinkin hot 30 degree night in summer so its not like I specifically planned around it being cold either)
@@timothygrulke1308 TYVM for your input Tim.
Just spray paint a big F or M on the armor to show whether its for Females or Males, boom, solved the problem
Templarkiller Brilliant, m8.
Or maybe some sort of color-coding? We should get on that...
Maybe, blue armor for men and pink armor for women
@@andrewsantana4057 but thats stereotypical and will trigger feminists.
assuming someone is of a certain gender can offend feminists. lol
I have one objection to the way female armour is portrayed in fantasy: It's often very form-fitting. This LOOKS good (feminine/sexy), but it removes the gap Shad was talking about between the steel plate and your skin, and the protection that empty space provided (though women are still shown wearing gambesons and chainmail under their boob-plate). Additionally, if each individual breast is molded into the armour, versus a single "bulge" in the chest that covers both breasts (I'm pleased to see Shad depicted both variants of boob plate)... that's dangerous. If you take blunt trauma to the chest, the lowest point between the two is going to smash into your sternum like a very blunt axe, concentrating the force, which would be bad. Also, if someone comes at you with a thrusting weapon like a spear, instead of glancing off your chest, the blow's going to skid down into your cleavage... where it's going to bite, and be really, really easy for the enemy to get the leverage needed to impale you.
True, and also people usually wear some form of padding under their armour. Which would flatten a chest making the 2 breast plates completely unnecessary.
This. I can't imagine functional armour for women would be particularly different to historical functional armour for men (except, y'know, smaller), since you ultimately need to deflect force away from the heart and vital organs, not towards them. I counter Shad's counterpoint with: maces, hammers and warpicks (the weapons you'd actually bring to fight an armoured foe) could still totally puncture plate armour if the force was concentrated (and, even if the strike was deflected inwards and upwards as he mentions, the neck, windpipe and jugular are in that direction).
Ceremonial armour is a whole different story: Henry VIII presumably never actually needed his armour to actually protect him, hence the... decorative features... so I could readily imagine makers and wearers going to town with boob-plates for decorative status-symbol armour, like discussed.
Well, I agree with shad that the armor would have the spacing more towards the bust not the belly. But I agree with you too, overall femininity in armor would be less extreme in real life for practicality.
@@joshuabarney9391 Hmm... might also be for pricing. I can't imagine it's easy to shape breasts out of steel...
If women don't fight in most militaries but they do in a specific area or country, the armor would probably be shaped in a way to intimidate or otherwise send a message that "our women are not like your women, they're here to kill you." Because really, you don't go to war to look good to your fellow countrymen, you go to war to destroy your enemies. Manliness/virility being a shorthand for deadliness was obvious, but femininity wasn't a similar shorthand.
Also very few people could afford fully fitted armor in the first place. Having a set of ceremonial armor is just far too luxurious for pretty much everyone, so let's not really fixate on it.
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Fantasy has magic, dragons, massive swords, over the top fighting styles and other unrealistic aspects.
But boob plate is the one thing that triggers all these moral busy body people, who'll also completely ignore male armor with masculine chest and six pack pieces.
I have nothing wrong with it because it makes sense
If in our universe where men made armor with abs, I can totally imagine a universe where women fight instead of men and they made boob armor lol
lmao who cares about moral I just want to see something historically accurate
@@gamdanyunizar7849 If you want to see something historically accurate, go to a museum.
@@eisenkrahe7125 las armadura de estilo griego clásico tenían dos funciones resistir golpes y enseñar la clase social que era, en roma se inventó un tipo de armadura mejor y la armadura griega clásica solo se utilizaba para enseñar el estatus pero no para luchar
To support even further your argument, Queen Elizabeth had more set of armors made for her than any other royal (OK maybe Henry VIII had more) and none of her armor needed to be different in shape than current male armor.
Salim Zwein It’s not about need though. It’s about the fact that if a large enough quantity of women used armour then womens fashion would creep into armour fashion, just like it did with historical male armour.
@@MissCaraMint even as a fashion statement (armor became a luxury fashion statement by the time of Queen Elizabeth) since armor was androgynous in its shape (narrow waist , wide hips etc...) the fashion part was more focused on the craftsmanship , the inlays, the gilding etc...than on showing body parts. it was a social thing for women to be prude and men to be flashy (just look at medieval clothing ..even till late renaissance) . plus i think the codpiece started first as a necessity : one needed to pee without taking out all the armor just remove the codpiece. Old armor did not have cod pieces but apparently that part of the body needed protection since it became a target given that fighting style evolved to hit the unprotected parts of the body ...of course showing how big the king's cojones where was more of political statement of power.
Salim Zwein But remember that this is an alternate timeline in which women now are needed as warriors. It makes sense that women would as a result dress less modestly due to their new role in society. At the same time breasts have been vewed as a symbol of fertility and it would make sense that in the sameway the codpiece grew beyond what was a practical thing, that the little exstra room women would want their breastplate for comfort would evolve into an exagerated breast like form.
It's not like "women's fashion" is all about emphasizing the shape of the breasts, there are all sorts of styles and silhouettes. If there were a lot of women wearing armor, it would probably MOSTLY be functional (and therefore androgynous), with a few rich, flashy people paying extra for rich flashy "emphasizing".
Throughout history, Fashion has been controlled by men not women.
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It's basically just a front-end database? Sort of like a private wiki?
Hi Derpy
The wide hips on armor may have aided in activities where the legs are spread. Such as riding a horse... or dragon.
Good point
That's what skirts are for.
Tonlets for Example. Exaggeration of the tassets , faulds and decorations on the leg armor to make the legs look bigger. Maybe articulated chasity belts instead of codpieces?
@@empresslithia And what protection is a skirt going to provide, exactly?
Tonlets, large faulds are basically war skirts. Scale and mail armor even more so. Harder to get stabbed in the crotch without compromising mobility. @@Roxirin
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Ya know, actually, the concept where the armor is the same for both male and female characters is great, and I don't understand why not many devs do this. Not only does it make complete sense, it would also be easier and cheaper
@@drainstorM11 because style is important. hell most fantasy armors irrelavent anyway because some guy can shoot lightning from his fingers.
For Schlong pieces in male armour?
@@drainstorM11 Because so much of video gaming is visual. Game devs rely on having attractive characters for their sex appeal, not only to sell but because players are staring at their characters for most of the game. Just take a look at the modding community to see what they do to make a game more "enjoyable"... and it ain't putting accurate or functional clothing onto their characters.
@Undomaranel Yeah, and please be reminded that this is true for both male and female characters. Most male fantasy armor is also really ridiculous with all the fancy stuff but nobody bats an eye over this it seems. They all want the boob plate armor to disappear ... because why exactly? Offended?
Thanks, Shad. Now every time an Inception bwah plays I'm just going to hear "SCHLOOOOOOOONG".
I think female armor would've been a good psychological weapon towards the enemy if they had thought of using it.
Yeah, I'm certain there also could've been cases where the enemy might have gotten a bit hesitant having to fight women.
@@dinosaurprovider9261 Freaking traps, right?
Could go south pretty quick. Raping was a huge issue
@@dinosaurprovider9261 yes of course. But that's not the point
@@dinosaurprovider9261 that she gets raped? So if a guys first thought is "Oh that's a chick I can rape her" it's not exactly an effective psychological tactic, whether or not they've accepted that it could happen
In defense of bub armor I must remember that in greece and ancient rome they offer armors with the shape of an extremely outlined male body and they were functional and this is because the armor was not attached to the body like a piece of tight clothing so there was a "security space" where the armor could even sink without properly condemning the user in view of the shape, it is just an irrelevant aesthetic factor because having the safety space (as in the Greek abdominal armor) the sternum shape is easily contourable.
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Yeah same I’m an aspiring writer and I’m actually working on a short 5 ch book for a school project and I could definitely make use of this
Campfire Technology it looks like an amazing tool for GMs out there to help out with their world building and consistencies in their plot lines
@@AroundTheCampfire Will you guys be adding features for interactive fiction? Like branching paths in plotlines?
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im pretty impressed by the civility of these comments, and i also agree with him, you can really do whatever you want as long as it stays in the realm of practicality, admittedly having cleavage instead of a single bulge is pretty disadvantageous but not glaringly impractical and definitely could have happened in real life (probably ceremonially). tbh most complaints are just counteracted by schlong armor i mean goddammit thats just... i have no words
thinking of that attack deflection bit Shad mentioned. wouldn't that grove going up the center of the breastplate guide pointy weapons up at the head and neck rather than deflect off to the side? I agreed on the "cleavage instead of a single bulge is pretty disadvantageous" bit.
@@Zarcondeegrissom Then think about how the shlong armor might effect .... ^_^
@@Zarcondeegrissom exactly, there's another comment that does a better job than I do but yeah it's basically like having a funnel at your neckpiece
A "more tapered" breastplate would not be a solution either. Human ribcages, regardless of sex, do not expand from the top, they expand from the bottom when you breathe, which is why the apex of the dome must be at the point of the sternum. This is important to prevent asphyxiating due to getting your breastplate caved in. People need to learn some basic anatomy, I swear it seems like they've never seen a real human body.
@@EidolonSpecus The only real 'pro' of the boobplate I can think of (especially draastic ones, many of the ones Shad used for examples seem actually pretty tame) would be to funnel arrows RIGHT to the front of your ribcase. And when that's a pro, we got issues.
That whole “lift and separate” thing only comes along in the mid-nineteenth century. In fact, women’s corsets in, say, the sixteenth through early nineteenth centuries are adapted from armor, or the shaped padded doublet you’d wear underneath. Think about it: you can’t fit a wasp waist under bulky, shapeless padding, right? So what you’ve got underneath is basically a doublet. Sqwidge it in really tight with a wasp waist and you’ve got yourself a corset, which more or less shapes you like a tube of toothpaste tapering into a funnel. (Sorry, Ren Faire wenches). There’s a really cool book about this called *Waisted Efforts.* Also, if you don’t overdo it, corsets are more comfortable than bras. No painful shoulder tracks. There’s something that holds everything in place, and as long as it’s not too tight over the back, you’re fine.
I don’t see the point of metal bullet bras, but I guess you could use them to deflect points, so whatever.
in defense of bub armor i must remember that in greece and ancient rome they offer armors with the shape of an extremely outlined male body and they were functional and this is because the armor was not attached to the body like a piece of tight clothing so there was a "security space "where the armor could even sink without properly condemning the user in view of the shape, it is just an irrelevant aesthetic factor because having the safety space (as in the Greek abdominal armor) the sternum shape is easily contourable.
Funny how we all discussed that but never Henry’s little-
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"Why is female armor so defined?"
Fanservice. Mystery solved
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@OriginalYithian REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
@@acg6350 Lesbians also like the shape of the female body.
Adán Castillo idiot
they give +1000 def in fantasy world, enough to solo raid boss
Level 1 armor : covers the whole body but the wrost
Level 100 armor : covers only private parts but the best
*ILLUSION 100*
Technosaber that’s how mafia works
Technosaber Because you need more protection when you are weak, but if your skin is tough as leather, you only need to protect the vital and sensitive
*Alteration 100* as well
You become so skilled you don't need armour.
Cocky indeed.
That's how mafia works
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God I laughed way to hard at this
Shad is so good that even ads are interesting.
Most of the time anyway. Sorry Shad, but I left that Donald Trump ad for building a wall yesterday as soon as I could. 🤢
@@Sophia-vk5bq Umm, I'm pretty sure you are talking about the ads that come before the video? Shad has no control over those--that's youtube, not the channel, that controls those in almost every case.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Shad ever advertised building the wall on his channel. Especially because he's Australian.
@@zakd2124 No of course not. lol I just meant I regret it if it causes his channel to lose some ad revenue because the YT bots decided to give me such a sickening ad video. XD
Aaron Stoner Border security in America just like in many other major nations such as the Great Wall in China and the Iron Dome in Israel?
*_HOW HORRIFYING!_*
@@landodo1421 yeah, because security measures taken against refugees is obviously justified.
Make a little brevity on the Internet and suddenly everyone takes up arms.😂
For another historical example of armour that emphasises the aesthetic ideal, look at the muscle cuirass. It's not as ridiculous to modern eyes as a codpiece that could double as a hat rack, but it still makes "boobplate" look tame by comparison.
Heck, Lorica Musculata is probably the one time you could get literal boob plate and have it make sense... it's just the same as the man's armor, just on a different person... who happens to be much more endowed up top, thus the armor does the same as it would for a man.
The thing about musculata is that there's, as I understand it, a good amount of debate over what it is was made of and whether it was even used in combat, at least by the Romans. The Greeks seemed to primarly have worn linothorax and examples examples of bronze armor bear no resemblance to the classic muscle cuirass that we all know and love (or hate).
On the other hand, if a muscle cuirass makes one look topless, it'd be kinda OK for a male but not so much for a female. I'm not an expert but I have the impression that topless females have been (and still are) more taboo than their male counterparts.
Not always, of course. But more often than not.
So the problem with that is, muscle armor afaik does not affect the functionality of the armor whilst boob plates would be a structural weakness.
@@davidbodor1762 I'm not so sure about that. Technically, any unnecessary shape decreases the functionality (more places where the weapon would stop instead of glancing off, more places where a crack would likely start, extra weight...). And as mentioned on the video, a domed chest plate is better, and a muscle cuirass is to my understanding not very domed.
Of course, the kind of inverse dome between the boobs is not good either, but overall I'm not sure if there is much difference.
To be honest, if I saw a man in Henry VIII's armor on a battlefield, I'd run away. That's a pretty intimidating codpiece.
I've gotta sat, I love the medieval fixation on dicks as manly. I want a ballock dagger so I can wear it in the... traditional way.
@@Ezekiel_Allium Dicks have been admired since ancient times.
I believe there are a few greek statues of dick shafts.
nahhh...I'd just shoot him.
@@Ezekiel_Allium I'd mount a lance on my codpiece, the cavalry would be too intimidated to charge me.
@@lucastark1784 I love the way think. Why not add some kind of mechanism to fire a massive, steel bola to trip your enemies and generally dangle when unfired
Shoulder decorations or enhancements might do 2 things: make the armor look more attractive (like a metal puff shoulder) or make it look more fierce, like having the shoulders extend into a point to each side. It could help keep opponents at bay, maybe? Maybe even put spikes on there. They might not be allowed in SCA lists, but they would look impressive on the battlefield.
Huge spikes on your shoulders would be terrible for mobility and fighting in formation.
plus every time you lift your arms you spike your head. even with a helmet, that will get old really fast.
There’s less armor on RPG female characters than chips in a Lays bag
Holy shit perfect description.
"Xenoblade Chronicles X" even allows you to designate one set of armor (such as a bikini armor on your female characters) for your character's appearance, while letting you select a different set of armor to use for your defensive stats.
Daddy Shad says that boob-plate on fantasy armor ISN'T unrealistic?! It's like we rewound time and Christmas came again!
I actually disagree with this point. If you have a boob-shaped armour, it completely defeats the purpose of deflection of incoming blows, instead you create a target right between your boobs. Instead of deflecting the blow, your body will absorb it. Not to mention it will be easier to pierce.
@@HumblebeeRules Whilst that is true, you could hardly argue that an axe combined with some of the thinner waist-shapes we see in historical examples wouldn't likely result in disaster. Yes, it is a weakness, without a doubt. An unnecessary one, even. Still, it is there, so for so long as it isn't exceedingly overpronounced, the shape should be feasible enough to not matter a huge deal.
It's rewind time
@@HumblebeeRules Just to address your objection.
Firstly people rarely ever strike against the metal plates of armor in historical combat because *it’s hardened steel metal plate!* Some people seem to think a cavity in-between two shaped breasts in armor change this, remember it is still hardened steel with padding underneath and only the largest of strikes from something like a poleaxe would endanger it, just like regular armor regardless of breast domes. Most strikes will still be aimed at the gaps in armor, not the chest. sword strikes are particularly useless against steel plate regardless of the deflection capacity of the armor.
Second, the cavity in between each breast need not rest flat on the chest, in fact it can sit rather high with a peak right in the middle of the chest that would redirect those blows directed into the middle up over the chest or down and of to the side. There are sophisticated designs that can mitigate any potential problem of strikes being caught in the middle.
Third, even if two breast sections aren’t as effective as an even dome over the chest, people have sacrificed a little functionality for aesthetics quite a lot through history (metal codpiece armor primary example as well as the muscle breastplates made from Greece). Remembers it’s not nearly as earth shattering a weakness as some imply, the armor would still work very well in protecting the wearer, it is still hardened steel!
Well... I wonder what he'd come up with to solve the problem of severe internal bleeding from massive hemorrhages of the breast tissue upon fatal force impacts?
Of course on the positive note, should they survive such injury... They probably wouldn't have a need for the boobie armor anymore.
Yea the cod piece kind of sums up the silliness of complaining about fantasy armor, style is just a factor. As for just the fantasy aspect, why is Superman even buff, its not like his muscles factor really, yet it matters, because of the halo effect, which again applies to armor as well.
Well, Spider Man is a weedy little shit, and still lifts 10 tons ... 'cos in some cases it doesn't matter.
Spider-Man depends of the artist quite a bit. Steve Ditko's original depiction was pretty skinny but later on he became about as buff as your average superhero.
@@Danceofmasks He's more gymnast body than body builder sure, but its hard to say he isn't aesthetic, and at the end of the day he's wearing little more than a body stocking simply to show off his form because it still matters, the impression of hyper nimble motion with super human dexterity matters more than the practical reality of his form.
It’s also not technically necessary for him to wear the red undies on the outside, but it’s meant to evoke the outfits worn by old-timey circus strongmen. (They tended to wear unitards like other performers, but since this was before nylon was a thing, they were prone to ripping and required an extra layer over ‘vital areas’ for modesty’s sake.)
part of that is because superman was based on the side show strong men from the era. they wore tights to show off how big they were.
Medieval knights: used sloped armour
Every tank before T34: this is Minecraft, no slopes here!
Explosive Reactive Armor: Lets use explosion to protect tank from explosion.
@@alvianekka80 "I used the explosion to destroy the explosion."
@Gir Irken as some armor was rather flat.
Makes sense not only from an artistic, but also from a practical standpoint to focus making armor on the aesthetics of the culture. If you're going into a fight, you want your armor to make you look as impressive and daunting as possible to give a psychological edge on your opponent. If the culture says having a big codpiece means you're a tough manly man, you're going to want one enormous and flashy for intimidation. In the same respect, I can see how the fantasy female armor aesthetic could be useful; not so much for intimidation, but perhaps for distraction and maybe getting your opponent to underestimate you.
I'd argue that in an alternate reality where women engaged in melee combat in full plate armor frequently enough for "Female Armor" to even be a thing, then the "distraction and underestimation" might not be as big of an issue.
@@Hakkapell
Do not underestimate the power of underestimation.
^_^
I think realistically, there are very few scenarios where you would want a foe to *underestimate you* Most battles were won by *scaring the enemy* so that they run away. (eg, causing a rout). You want armor to make you look impressive so that people don't want to fight you.
Is there any historical example of soldiers wearing outfits to make themselves look weak?
underestimate?
yea nice sexy outfit * immediately shoots you with a crossbow*
I prefer my wahmen cold and the type that wont fight back
@@silvergiovanni5336 A troll with a crossbow! Now i've seen it all!
* yawns *