Hey Shad, Just wanted to say that I have recently finishe the audiobook for Shadow of the conqueror and all I can say is: WOW. Absolutey loved it, Daylas made his mark on me! I pray you plan to make a sequel about his "sentence", top work Shad!
I loved the world building too, not exactly a fan of some stuff that happened in the story but i specially liked the ending, really waiting for a sequel
Thanks Shad, I was really in need of femal armor ref's ^^. welp while watching I also done some goggle pic reverse research so I did find some artist behind a few pictures: 10:21 Evil hunter by Joo draws (Artstation) 10:31 Archer by Pon Wong (artstation) 12:21 장미 캐릭터 컨셉 rose concept by _ MOOWM _ (Artstation) 14:41 illust by mook eun (artstation) 18:52 canceled Videogame work by Brad Rigney (artstation) 19:07 Saber fanart workshop demo by Ruan Jia (artstation) 24:35 Diablo 3 fan art by Bogdanbl4 (deviant art) 26:08 A gun of oath 誓言之枪 by Jun Rao (artstation) 29:57 Fantasy knight by Xu Yang (Artstation) 25:27 seems to be a magic the gathering card 36:00 DRAKEN by Bageumi (artstation) 36:54 TEMPLER by Bageumi (artstation) 40:32 sitting girl_knight by YEONJUN PARK (artstation) 42:09 女骑士 by JunTing Chen (artstation) 42:53 Holy Knight by Carl Johan Bäckman (artstation) 43:19 Spear_Knight by Daejun Park (Gae Go) (artstation) 43:52 character concept by Chul Min Lee (artstation)
The art and artists' names of some of my favourites: 12:19 rose concept by _ MOOWM _ 12:33 アレクシア (Alexia) by エナミカツミ (Katsumi Enami) 16:58 Fierce cover by Miguel Coimbra 17:23 Knight Female by Gwanghui Yoon 19:05 Saber by 阮佳ruan.jia 21:36 warrior wome by Dog Car 24:18 Medieval Concept "Gambeson" by dongho Kang 25:26 Unknown title by Heegur 26:09 A gun of oath 誓言之枪 by Jun Rao 27:28 029 by Muel Kim 28:10 Wolf Knight by Kveldulv 28:42 Valkyrie Brynhildr by Tsuyoshi Nagano 29:57 Fantasy knight by Xu Yang 35:08 Character Concept by Dongho Kong 35:14 Elf Knight by Anna Kharitonova 40:21 Character concept by Jeong Hoon Park 40:33: sitting girl_knight by YEONJUN PARK 42:52 Holy Knight by Carl Johan Bäckman 43:10 蒼の騎士 (Blue knight) by ソノソ (Sonoso)
i have to give props to the sheer amount of innuendos oz is managing to throw out that sound so innocent in context, he has to half shout them while giving meaningful looks to the camera to get the point across. a true master of his craft.
His innuendo work is as good as a master PC builders would be... Trust me when I say that if you watch a channel like jayztwocents, LTT, or even Paul's hardware as well as bitwit, it won't be hard to understand exactly what I mean... Not all videos are like that obviously, but we're computer geeks, and some will overcompensate to a degree, while others just love to get a laughing moment or two in the videos, and using either way once in a while, seems to really help get and retain viewers that understand a little anatomical humor and other things a computer guy might say... It's hard to explain really, as it's generally so off the cuff that it's not necessarily going to be common phrases, and you might not notice them unless you're looking, but still, when you do notice, you start noticing other innuendos...
I work for an Army command that produces body armor for soldiers. A "Female Cut" aka "alternative cut" has been a challenge and a priority in the last two years. There's a temptation to be 'whimsical" concerning the subject matter but it's trickier than most people think to make a comfortable cut for women to move and fight with.
Foam weapon Larp along with plastic baseball bat fighting, so I made more than my fare share of cardboard duct tape boob armor. Then dealing with .. hip .. waist and thighs dressing is nearly different for each woman, so mass cheap production is close to impossible.
Recently our company has tried to get better fitting workclothes for the female employes in order to draw more of them to the occupation. Let me tell you; it has not been without problems. Whatever fits one never fits the other. In all fairness they have never been a good fit for the male body either ... It has at least brought to attention how ridicolous we all look in our current workclothes. We have complained about that for years but never been listened to before.
The Swedish Defence Force has issued ballistic body armor for women just recently. I had thought that unless you're very busty it's a one-size-fits-all situation, but I guess not xP
@@Paveway-chan Even with bras it's not like that at all, bras are infamously difficult for women to find perfects fits for. Even just women with average chest size will have to go through trial and error with it and even then the same sizes will fit differently.
See, this is why I like this channel. It doesn't rag on artists who just want to create a piece for... cultural consumption, it praises those who depict something that's practical and effective, and there are the oblique references to noice booba. You guys basically share my view of female armour: there are two ways to enjoy it.
Im sorry , but I feel that just viewing this from a practical point Shad is giving ammo to those raving, misandrist aka feminists that constantly harp about female armor design. Not for a single second have they ever viewed it from your perspective. No, they hate it because in their world view it is AMORAL to cater to hetero-secual men. They abhor the depiction of beautiful, feminin women - so much so that they even get triggered by armor that alludes to a feminin body type. We live in a time where words like "sexualization", a vague nebulous term that doesn't even mean anything exist; in times where men are being openly attact for soemthing that's been perfectly natural for millenia. There's no need to make excuses for that.
@@giannidescalzo2101 Oh dear, someone can't find a good argument to save their life so resorts to personal attacks. Never seen that before... Guess I hit a nerve
@@TR-kk2bh i donf know man, are you not doing the same thing? I mean, i know there such thing as pointed toes and heeled Sabatons (foot armor) and endowed cotch pieces, but impractical armor is impractical armor...
It took all of 45 seconds to solve it. It is as rare and unhistorical and anatomically complex as hump-backed armor. If you wanted to craft it, you would and could. . ruclips.net/video/cDxnXgYPnKg/видео.html
For the statue of Jeanne d'Arc in Mont Saint Michel, being french it was easier for me to find, it was ordered in 1901 and presented for the first time in 1908 bye Mgr Fuzet, archevêque of Rouen.
I actually once wrote an article about the dress trends in the few large groups of female warriors documented historically, with pictures of artwork and surviving armor, as applicable. I'm not an expert by any means, but I did find a few sources you might not have seen yet. I'd be happy to send that to you if there's a channel email or something, Shad.
boob armour seemed weird to me until i seen just how many armours in history have been wildly impracticable just for style. I used to think "well boob armour isn't the ideal scientific armour so therefore its far too unrealistic" and then i realized that armour is designed by humans who are notorious for being dumb as fuck and doing things because it looks cool and for no other reason.
Yeah, many amors with six-packs or metal boners. Guess who was blocked by Anita Sarkeesian for pointing this out with pictures as evidence for my claims.
Well, now I feel you've kept me abreast of the full body of this issue, with your well rounded analysis. Clearly armor which accommodates breasts can be a broad topic, and isn't just for the birds. This video definitely provides an informative Service for Fans of medieval armor.
It's part 5 to Shadiversity's thrilling series on the practicality of cleavage shaped armour and how useful it would actually be. (Read this and original comment in dragon ball narrator voice for additional style points)
Honestly the high heels bother me way more than most of the boob armor (or lack of armor). You can fight without armor. As Shad said people have fought naked, but you gotta be able to run, move unpredictably, jump and travers difficult terrain that might have blood and bodies and all sorta of other things laying around. Sure you ware heels in ball room dancing, but the point of that is too look pretty and you have a smooth flat floor and get to move in practiced and predicable ways. Also you're not going to die if your footing gets unstable in a ballroom. Seriously heels in armor is SO dumb!
I wore 6 inch stacks (Demonia boots) for a costume. They were very interesting to walk in. I would not like to run in them. At the same time, 2 and 3 inch stacks, I have run and sparred in.
@@Altrantis The horseback riding is a great point. I am not a great rider but I have done enough that the idea of dismounting from a horse in spike heels makes me shudder. One could maybe consider the heels as a sort of parade ground dress. When I was in the US Army, we had parade boots and field boots. The parade boots were horrible in wet and muddy conditions. I could maybe get behind heels as this was parade and Dining In footwear. But not what was worn on campaign.
@@Altrantis I believe it's possible to fight in heels. People are amazing. People can also fight with one hand tied behind there back or do crazy things like draw a bow with their toes, or shoot while hanging upside down. But I fail to see any practical reason to have heels in combat. Even for horse back riding you would never want heels that are several inches long. The reason for heels on calvary boots is to make sure your foot doesn't slip through the stirrup and cause your foot to get caught and also to keep your foot in the proper position with the ball centered on the stirrup. Extreme heels would with a steep angle between the toe and the base of the heel would make that harder and more dangerous than no heel at all. In the end, just because it's possible and people have managed to do it, doesn't mean it isn't way more unstable and dangerous and an overall a determent and handicap. If you were seriously designing something, where you needed to fight to the death in difficult and unpredictable terrain and footwork and speed were important, I don't think you would ever in a 1000 years want 3 inch narrow heels on your shoes. Also, I bet women who claim to have fought in high heels did so on flat hard gym or studio floors, and not on natural and potentially soft or uneven earth. Imagine trying to run over a muddy uneven battlefield in high narrow heels, or up a steep gravely hillside, while trying to defend from attacks from higher ground?
@@malacostracus3663 I don't know much about how the advantage of height works in combat, but I'd assume the advantage comes more from the length of one's arms, which increases the reach and leverage one can have with a weapon, rather than the height of one's legs. Taller people have longer arms and therefore a wider reach. Waring heels wouldn't make their arms longer, so I doubt it would be helpful.
@@prestonangel448 no I mean instead of studying the fluid dynamics, I get stuck on the topology and thermodynamic interactions with the two sensors. it seems that just like a fluid, low temperatures will expand them - quite interesting !
Not gonna lie, Shad has a solid point with the sports bra comments around 29:30, the whole reason I got into making skimpy Xena style leather gear for women is our fellow participants wanted something cooler than their bodices to go run around in the back 40 playing pagan summer camp games in.
19:10 Ayyo is that Arthur? Whoever made that is amazing, because it takes Type/MOON Arthur Pendragon (Artoria Pendragon) and makes her look semi-realistic. So if the artist stumbles upon this comment, excellent work mate.
Dammit Shad, you liked the comment while I was in the middle of editing it, lol. Anyway, since I can't edit it now, I'll type my edit in this reply to my comment. I was kinda surprised you knew enough of Fate/Stay Night, but when I thought more about it I realized that of all anime the Fate series would of course be one of the shows I'd most expect you to watch due to the theme it has with slightly modified Historical and Mythological figures.
I would like a video on male fantasy armor from well-known franchises. Like how impractical or practical some of them are. One armor that comes to mind for me is Black Luster Soldier from yugioh because of the chest plate.
Shad managed to tackle some of that in a video on cursed fantasy armor. One wouldn't mind seeing him tackle more fantasy armor designs that weren't easy low hanging fruit like chainmail bikinis and boob plate.
Regarding the “Illusion 100” section, I can totally imagine a woman joining a hyper-masculine army, and when a nosy soldier starts questioning the unusual scrawniness & softer voice of the new guy, his less-perceptive friend responds with “Well yeah, but have you seen that codpiece? Totally not a woman in disguise!” As a counterpart: a man tries to join an all-female warrior group. Someone notices how gingerly “she” protects her groin area despite already having an amply wide armored skirt. “We’ll yeah, but have you seen that breastplate? Totally not a man in disguise!”
@@dogdog357 With the exception that "Mulan" [ And others... ] could actualy, historically be on the battlefield. It happend [ Rarely of course. ] that a member of the familly took the place of a other warrior [ Yes even women. ] if that person was dead or sick etc..
I'm not sure if you're an AI, because if you were a man you'd know that we don't, in fact, protect our crotch all the time. Especially if we're already wearing armor. If you were a woman, you'd know that it actually does hurt a lot to get kicked "down there" as well. Perhaps not as much as a man, I'm not a woman, but it's also very soft parts that can be easily damaged.
13:42 funnily enough, super strength is not enough to wield a sword that big. You need super mass. The issue isnt lack of strength, its the fact that you cant swing the sword without flying off in every which direction like Thor flies with Mjölnir.
Well strength comes from muscle, someone with enough strength to lift gargantuan swords like that is almost certainly pushing thousand+ of pounds in muscle mass alone, but then that leads to the question of "how do their bones not turn to powder under that stress" at which point you just have say their bones are super strong and just give up with physics and logic.
@@killerbug05 But you can clearly see the character doesnt weigh thousands of pounds. Unless she has super mass/super density also, which is the other super power required like I mentioned
It does somewhat limit your movement, but not completely One of the sword channels, I forget which, talked once about how you could accomadate with super strength to weild a weapon that's heavier than you are
@@Trepur349 Quite right. The vertical component of the applied force will be countered "for free", gravity is real ;) Worst case, you jump, if the vertical component exceeds your mass and the weapons mass combined. It's the horizontal component that is an issue IF it exceeds your mass. BUT if your figthing style takes that into account, you can actually move WITH the weapon, which could in itself be quite fearsome, could become very "swirly and 360'ish" very fast :D
One of the things that bothers me with many artistic drawings of armor is when the base of the chestplate ends in a V shape. You would literally stab yourself in the stomach with it if you bent over. The base of the chestplate should always curve in the other direction or have multiple overlaping bands to allow for forward bending.
Elaboration on "Saber" as the gender-swapped King Arthur She was to lead the people of Britain, but the people wouldn't accept a female leader. Even stunts like the sword in the stone were Merlin's attempts to justify her rule. Ultimately, she was forced to pretend to be a man in order to win the loyalty of her people. With "some magic from Merlin" being used to explain how she sired Mordred. Addendum: "Why is she called Saber?" In the visual novel Fate/Stay Night (from which the anime is adapted from), the story is a magical battle royale. Seven mages would summon heroes from myth to fight like they were pokemon... although unlike pokemon, killing the mage and letting their summon disappear is a viable and often preferred action. BECAUSE these summons are literal legends, knowing even just the name of your opponent tells you a lot about how to beat them. As a result, they keep their names a secret for as long as possible, answering to their "Class" instead. Saber/Lancer/Archer/Caster/Rider/Berserker/Assassin (Usually, they tell their summoner their true name, but in the Visual Novel our protagonist is seen as too dumb to keep it a secret, so Saber keeps her name hidden from him as well.)
A good way of testing the suitability of a fantasy/sci-fi armour or costume (male or female) is to ask 'would this character's mum let them go out questing like this?'
1:09 Of course! He would want to put his ideas into the subject! 1:21 "Massive" Fantasy! Right! 2:08 "A to Triple D." We are in for a ride, today! 6:13 My focus here is why the horse's tongue is out like that! 14:50 Oz is now in full effect! 17:52 I'm just going to laugh all thought the video. 22:35 - 22:39 I have no words. 25:16 Bell bottoms. It's bell bottoms. 27:23 I'm wondering what the hell Oz is talking about! 30:35 I love the design on that one! 35:35 Not by a long shot. Not protective at all. 35:43 Don't drink it all in at once, Oz! 36:25 just walked right into that one! Whoooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Throughout history people have justified a lot of "things" for the pursuit of science. Glad to see Shad carrying the torch for SCIENCE, definitely science.
In ballroom dancing you often have a partner for support. I have had many a woman lose her footing in dancing but the crowd never knew it because I was there to support her and help her get back on track. Also with dancing you are using well rehearsed steps in a safe environment.
Also, I'm glad you're getting an audible sponsorship here, Shad! I have the audio version of your book, great stuff! And Lyra is definitely a kick-butt female character who wears very distinct armor. Looking forward to your next book!
Shad. This is beautiful. Would you be willing to do this again for female characters in fiction as opposed to artworks? Keep up the good work you cultured lad.
The artesia comic series by mark smylie would be a good place to start. Lots of female characters wearing Late Medieval/Renaissance armors, and I would describe the female mc as a pagan version of joan of arc.
The zero to a hundred of serious input from “wooo boobs” to “do you really think they had that level of sophistication in their bronze work at the time?”
I played a fantasy combat rpg once where the outfits/"armor" didn't provide the defensive stats, but the mystical mumbojumbo slotted into the outfits did instead. Imo, completely feasible to have a lightweight fantasy armor where the value of the armor is to protect the magic powersource that magically shields the user
You could even argue that other material gets in the way of the force shield, so the less you wear the better protected you are. The entire outfit could consist of narrow straps that hold the magical shielding crystals. Since crystals are expensive, cheaper armor has more plated material, and more expensive armor has less material and more crystals.
Something like Arcanum did with their whole thing of technology conflicting with magic and stuff. In that universe, technical devices tend to have issues whilst in the presence of magic and vice versa. Same thing here could be done with an armor.
I think your idea would work with how in some fantasy tropes Metal messes with magic to an absurd degree. So it could be said that yes, there's enchantments on the thinner material armor that BOTH deflects attacks and subsequently has a healing property for in case the attack passes through the magic force field. The area's where they can afford to not have the enchantment (or as another said, powered stones a la Elderscrolls of soul stones can be place) you could place some kind of metal to give extra protection.
@@jesseallen3109 The other person was referring to a videogame called Arcanum that came out like 20 years ago. Technology conflicted with magic and vice versa...the more advanced the technology was, the more interference it caused. This also affected your character's skills - if you invested in technology skills, it would weaken your magic skills, and if you invested in magic skills, your tech abilities would suffer. Furthermore, people with a high affinity for magic were prohibited from entering certain areas where there was a lot of technology, for example, if you had a high magic skill, you wouldn't be allowed to use the train because the train could malfunction if you were on it. In any case, there was another videogame called Scarlet Blade, which was an MMORPG where your character is one of many cyborgs that were created to explore the surface of a post-apocalyptic world to retrieve resources that the humans living underground need to survive, as well as to combat things that are trying to destroy their life support systems and such. These cyborgs all had a female form for some reason that is explained in the game's lore (I don't remember why), and you don't wear armor (because of the cybernetic body's strength and mobility limitations, if memory serves), instead using a type of portable force field technology. Thus, you only wear different cosmetic outfits and can even run around completely naked since the force field generator is implanted inside the cyborg's body. The game was kind of big news at the time because there was a big uproar about the way women are portrayed in video games in general right around when the game was announced.
Episodes like this would benefit from having Claudia in front of the camera. Or at least speaking more if she doesn't want to appear. I'm sure she has more thoughts worth hearing about the aesthetics of some of these pieces, and how she'd feel about fighting or adventuring while wearing them.
@@dyamonde9555 It may be due to them focusing more on the armor aspect as protection, rather than how comfortable they would be. They did bring up being poked by the armor every now and then, and when that happened she did intervene and they all did talk. But the video wasn't entirely about that.
21:29 we can take that a little further: it did get hot wearing full plate armor and it wasn't uncommon to have a kind of heat stroke during battle (also helmet terror was and is very much a thing). Leaving the thighs exposed in such a manner could help keep a bit more cool. Additionally, in more drawn out conflicts, it helps in allowing the wearer to more easily use the restroom while also remaining fully geared and ready for action should it be necissary. Roman Gladiators often left their thighs exposed as well, but I personally believe that could've just been a choice to keep costs down for gearing up and/or for aesthetics. It could've also been a way to keep the gladiators cool, but that could've also just been a side effect of a choice for other reasons be it financial or aesthetic.
I happen to really like the art piece at 41:10 because I love the concepts of valkyries as a whole. And if going for a more agile fighting style, the lack of armor seems right up that alley.
6:17 Hi Shad.... for what it's worth, I thought I'd mention that the Joan of Arc status at Mont Saint Michel is likely modern in design. From what I can find, the status was sculpted by Maison Raffl, a religious statues and church furniture company based in Paris that operated between the 1850s and 1950s.
A few years back, there were "medieval armor historian experts" among the modding community for the Elder Scrolls games complaining nearly nonstop about female armor chest pieces with boob shapes as historically inaccurate and completely unrealistic. They'd put walls of texts explaining why such armors would never work in real life. When some people actually challenged these "experts" and used points very similar to Shad's, the "experts" often threw tantrums and name calling. I still come across "armor experts" today in video game forums bitching about how boob armors should be completely flat at the chest for females. I remember a female gamer actually responding to these "experts" about how a flat metal chest piece would actually make it uncomfortable and unbearable for "well-endowed" females who participate in renaissance re-enactments/LARPing. It's funny that these "experts" actually tried shaming this female gamer and accused her of being a guy pretending to be a girl on the forums.
Yes, it would make it uncomfortable. These things on our chests are attached to us and if you press them down too much, it hurts. It also hurts to not make sure they're properly supported. I think that barbarian armor at 24:49 wouldn't be too bad if that leather bra had some straps. I don't know what the hell is keeping her from falling out of that thing. Must be magic. But the girls do look supported.
In the Elder Scrolls Online a lot of the early female armor was essentially the same as the male armor. Over time the female armor has got more boob-armor like because what they found is that people never used the armor that was very male-looking. There are a lot of women playing ESO and they didn't want their characters to look like men either. Sure, it's just a game and the appearance of the armor makes no difference to its protective properties. However, I feel certain that if there ever were a society where there were many female warriors, they would absolutely have armor that made them look female. The argument that there is no historical examples of female-form armor in the real world is weak because there were almost no female warriors, so what incentive or experience did an armor-smith have to make female-formed armor.
@@garrick3727 True. As you mentioned, historic female armor was unlikely because men mainly fought in the wars and/or served as soldiers and knights. But as Shad pointed out, there appeared to be historic armor that were made for females. Metal armor at that and it resembled some of the better designed female fantasy armors. It even had a chest cavity bump for the breasts and slimmer waist.
@@amyrat151 I get what you meant. I like Shad's argument against female armors showing the legs and arms. I mean, men wore such armor that didn't cover the legs and arms, so why can't females? I also hate when "historic armor experts" argue that bikini armor didn't make sense even in the fantasy world, yet they have no issues with male barbarians running around in skimpy armor. It's plain foolishness and gender bias.
@@Constellasian Yes but it's all artwork. There is no actual surviving armor to prove that it wasn't medieval artist male gaze. I am sure it existed, it's just there were so few female warriors that there could not have been many examples.
This video was interesting to me, as a lady myself I already have problems manuvering my arms in a smooth way like you guys were talking about, so the metal bump would be about the same for me. ive never really thought much about the armour before so this was an interesting thought experement for me on what i would personally need in a fantasy setting.
31:00 It's a fascinating concept for armour tho. You'd need to design a metal alloy that has non-Newtonian properties in room temperature, that bends and flexes with the skin like a fluid but that "tenses up" and hardens when subjected to a blow. It'd be the most protection-for-weight-efficient armor possible, without any movement restrictions. Cool idea!
When you put it that way, it seems cool. But if no one told me that, I would've thought the armor wasn't just given good design consideration (I'm not an artist alrite, but I do have common sense), but other than that, the art is REALLY good
"Technically she's only revealing about 20% of her skin, if you were to take the (w)hole into consideration" "...poor choice of words, Shad. Poor choice of words." That got me.
And just before that at 37:03, "I'd want protection too!" Then "she can dust my sword." 🤦 I've descended too low, I immediately understood those while it seemed Shad didn't.
I've done most of my fencing and fighting in riding boots with usually around two inch heels. A reasonable height to the heel isn't a problem at all since your weight tends to be forward anyway. Those thin, pointy ones though would be a problem on anything that wasn't a hard, flat surface. You have to be really careful with anything that has separated cups. Firstly, anything that's deflecting upward gets left with no place to go except right at the wearer's neck. Hopefully that's armored too, but it turns a whole range of glancing blows that rely on the integrity of one piece into more solid hits that rely on two pieces to stop them. And definitely avoid it for any activities with heavier weapons. One of the local tournaments here had a lady with such a breastplate involved in the jousting tournament, and even with rattan lances that shatter on impact, that valley concentrated the impact such that she had to absorb the full force of the blow instead of the majority of it glancing off. Ripped her right off her horse and cracked several ribs. Like bouncing off the front of a truck. She lived, but it was rather a near thing.
I agree. It's so annoying and I'm baffled he keeps calling those practical. There's no fucking way a woman can practically move with those heels. High heels are ugly, they destroy your feet, they're bad for your posture, and they severely impair your movement. And when you add heavy armor, it makes it all the more difficult to stand on your feet and not exhaust yourself.
male ( and maybe even female/kids ) armour from 1600"s had 👠 stiletto's but yes how effective fighting in 3-6 heals ? 🤔 not sure maybe it was ceremonial gear? as for daily heal's and civilised life i don't see how heals/platform's get in the way of life if anything and you're short like my female friend's/family is it makes easygoing
@@Accrovideogames I'm not sure how practical those specific depictions of high heels are, but high heels were invented for soldiers and only later became part of women's fashion. Its function was to attach the feet to stirrups. So actually high heels are entirely practical in warfare for cavalry. Again, I don't know how practical the heels in the art are, stilettos almost certainly wouldn't be practical, but the concept isn't far from the truth.
Lots of people have already told you why you're stupid, and I will too. High heels with armor is helpful in riding a horse in battle... like an armored knight would. "My intelligence is a ten, Yours are three and fours It's not my fault Stupid motherfucker, it's yours"
Personally, we could always generalize all armor with, Utilitarian, Show/Dress, and somewhere in between. Why were just a little bit of padding, rings, lamellar, scales or plate when you can get a whole set and get it decorated? A warrior that is both well protected and stylish. But one thing you can say about Armorsmiths of long ago and armor artists today is, for the right amount and given enough time, they will lovingly and meticulously decorate a piece from the tasteful to the ridiculously garish.
I have seen so many intellectually dishonest arguments against that kind of design. In the end I grew so tired of the "That kind of armor wouldn't exist" argument that I eventually decided to come up with excuses for literally bikini armor.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo Wait, what do you mean exactly? I don't like bikini armor myself, it feels too much of an overused trope for "eye candy". My mistake for not clarifying that what I do like are more towards differently shaped lamellar/scales, filigree, scrollwork and the like Will add a bit more to the original comment
@@crisr.8280 I meant what I meant. Tired of people complaining of "unrealistic armor" I decided to envision ways to make those complainers even angrier by going beyond unrealistic into full blown fan service.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo OH yeah! When the "complaints" get so damn annoying and you decide "Frick it. I'll make an actual armor IRL. Now it's real" I've made cosplay and theater props and armor and would love to make that for someone but I still lack the cloth and leather skills. Only made costume armor for myself so far so maybe somewhere in the future
Hey Shad, I sent you a couple of female armours that I designed on Instagram (assuming that its you and not a fake). One inspired by Greenwich English armour (specifically King Henrys tournament armour) and one that is gothic armour. I think you'll like them. Though they aren't "boob armour", they do emphasise the female form.
@@swordnoob9402 Sorry, every time I try telling you how. My comment gets deleted. I think there is some kind of auto detection to prevent anything that could be self promotion.
I think the ones where you guys get confused on whether there's armor under the cloth or not are better than they seem, just in concept. They show that the woman is wearing armor, but it's hard to know where the weak points are. It could be the whole torso; it could be a little gap that you can't see. Seems especially practical for everyday use
12:35 Shad: "This one is great! It's even more historially authentic ... " -- me looking at those armored heels 0.0 I know, I know - we focus on chest armor area - just found it funny :D
One set of female armour that I find intriguing for barbarian style which actually display a its uses and could fit well in a fantasy setting is Guinevere's leather armour in the 2004's King Arthur movie. That movie has, in fact, quite a good look on fantasy-like (or mix-match of styles) in armours and display the actors moving on horse, on foot and fight in said armour.
I appreciate Shad is keeping the historical context in mind since we're talking about realism. Remembering things like the legs not being protected isn't a valid criticism, because in reality people wore the armor they could find and actually afford, and it was very rarely full plate. That would be like someone in the year 3,000 criticizing a work of fiction because a character took a bus instead of just driving to their destination at 100mph in a 200k dollar sports car, simply because such cars exist. It's meant to be stylized and definitely sexy, yes, but people who don't know what they're actually talking about throw around too many invalid critiques because they don't have the emotional honesty to just say what they are really thinking.
Although... the women who are wearing these armours clearly didn't cobble together whatever they could afford / find - they are all clearly designed and tailored as a complete asthetic. So, beyond suspension of disbelief for fantasy that argument doesn't really work as a rationalization... these women are clearly wearing what they desired to wear rather than simply what they could get.
@@Chinaboatman : Hmmm, your thinking is in direct contradiction to actual historical use of armor by real troops. I believe you're getting confused by the idea of "cobbling together armor," which isn't what's being discussed here. No one's talking about finding scrap pieces of metal and taping them onto the body for protection. It's about the real historical practice of acquiring proper pieces of armor that you can still afford. A breastplate cost a significant amount of money, and it was purchasable as a single piece. You could still commission it as you wanted it, or find an already existing one as you wanted it. But just because you could afford that, doesn't mean you could afford triple that to get full plate. The same way a person now can buy a used car that's still what they want, instead of cobbling together a car from spare parts they weld together from the junkyard, but not be able to afford a new sports car.
@@itsallfunandgames723 Yes and no, depending on each artwork. Some of these fit what you're saying, and it's certainly a valid point that should be considered. But the general majority of the examples here are demonstrably extravagant and excessive even, in terms of artistic design, surplus material or decorative shaping, or expensive accompanying cloth/accessories. Many of these characters are seemingly paying ten times the sensible rate on an artesian golden trim breastplate and gigantic sculpted pauldrons, whilst forgoing other armour, rather than purchasing an equally protective and more sensible breastplate, along with a more complete set. In historical usage, you didn't see soldiers marching to battle with a Kings grandiose breastplate and bare legs. Obviously this is a little difficult to fully quantify in a fantasy setting, where craftsmanship and metal working prowess tends to reach unearthly heights, on a strangely casual basis. So to apply this point accurately, it needs to be measured against each individual artwork AND the implied technology/economics of the setting.
12:36 - even more historically authentic... showing picture of armored high heels. You gotta love how Shad is truly focused on topic, and topic is boobies.
Reminds me of one of the Terry Pratched books set in the Discworld. A description of Vimes of the guard, he had body sculptured armour. Along with the typical 6 pack abs. He fitted it well, not so much as he was shaped like that but more his body flowed into it like jelly filling a mould :)
19:50 the thing about calling women kings is legit. That's what happened in Poland with Jadwiga (Hedwig) and with Maria of Anjou in Hungary. I'm not sure why it was like that with the latter, but in case of Jadwiga in Poland it was a huge deal that she was the king and not the queen, because in the then functioning legal system a queen could not be a sovereign, but only a spouse of a sovereign. But since there was no male heir to the throne, she was crowned king. And it was a huge deal that she was the king, not the queen - her husband was not the king for until much later after she died and he took over the throne. I am guessing the Hungarian one must have been a similar story. That being said, both are colloquially called queen because linguistically it's just so awkward to call a woman a king. But that's kind of a thing like tomato being called a vegetable instead of a fruit. It's easier to process for the mind and people usually refer to it that way, but that's not what it technically is.
Queen essentially just meant "wife of ruler," so if you were a woman and wanted to be the ruler in your own right, it makes sense to use the title that actually means a ruler. It'd be a way to distinguish who has the power and who is the consort.
@@Tyarrk I'm not sure when the term "queen regnant" was first used. It does mean a female ruler ruling in her own right, yes. But we do know that the word "queen" (or cwen) was derived from the word for wife. So a queen regnant would not have made sense back then. English is notable, however, for being one of the only Indo-European languages to have a word for the female ruler that is not the feminine form of the word for king. At some point, queen transitioned from being a general word for wife into being a title (still wife of the king). Then at some point after that, I presume, matters of succession caused people to seek legitimacy for female rulers and so the word, already used as a title, began to also be considered a word for female ruler in some contexts. Remember, though, that this is just English. I doubt "queen regnant" was a term in Hungary. Queen regent isn't so much ruler as it's "wife acting as ruler on behalf of her husband or son."
@@Tyarrk It's kind of like the president and first lady. First lady doesn't signify any official political position, it just means the wife of the president. The modern usage of the word queen is like if at some point in the future people began using "First Lady" as the title of female presidents, rather than "Madam President." Another example is Mr. and Mrs. We use the term "Madam President" instead of "Mrs. President" because Mrs. is a signifier of married status, whereas the male counterpart to Mrs. is not, so we say Mr. President. This kind of power dynamic between male and female titles exists everywhere when you look for it. The female version of the male title carries no power or lacks respect in some way. Like courtier and courtesan, one is a noble at court, the other came to mean prostitute. Master and mistress, one is a position of power, the other is a side piece.
The chemistry between Shad and Oz is hilarious. I'm can just see you two in a reimagining of the old Basil Rathbone & Nigel Bruce Sherlock Holmes movies with Shad as Holmes and Oz as Watson. I know Shad is more into ancient stuff, but I would love to see him do Victorian like getting a lesson in how to defend himself using bartitsu/baritsu while dressed in period street clothing. BTW the BartisuSociety channel has a video ( v=HAVyBQxo4yk ) of a film from 1912 demonstrating jiujitsu techniques that I'm sure you would enjoy.
In order to validate the claims of boob armor being larger to simply give off a false appearance, I too have done science. I have looked at the same art, but without any armor on at all.
You guys are hilarious, especially with this fine, objective scientific research. Of course I am not offended and feel sorry for anyone who is. I do want to insert my opinion into your scoring protocols: any fighting armor with stiletto heels is an automatic nope. Walking with those over mud, ice, uneven terrain, or body parts would be impossible, let alone staying balanced during combat. Or for that matter walking any distance. The high heels alone make the armor nonfunctional. Likewise, any boob armor exposing the neck and cleavage is a nope - might as well paint targets for beheading and heart strike. Exposing the legs, especially the upper legs, is also I nviting fatality. This is assuming the model will be in a fight with edged weapons. Everything but the high heels would be fine in a pillow fight. Thanks for the laughs!
Exposed upper legs isn't too much of a problem though. Look at the Romans and Greeks as prime examples of no armour whatsoever on the upper legs. They had large shields to compensate for that though. So if one is to go without armour on the thighs you're definitely going to want a shield to compensate.
But it's also impractical and unrealistic to have everyone fully protected. Armor is expensive and not everyone would have the money to cover everything. Sometimes its beneficial to sacrifice protection just to get more people in the army. During the Republican Roman period the poorest infantry soldiers only had a shield, a helmet, and a small metal plate covering their chest. And there is of course the cultural aspect. Some people fought naked in history. Everything depends on the context and the setting.
@@shadiversity/videosseems my reply was deleted for some reason. Major search engines have search by image function and some websites (e.g. TinEye) that specialize in this. Also there are browser extensions that add a context menu to quickly search by image in different search engines.
A female armor desing challenge, like the weapon design contest Skallagrim made, might be a fun idea for a video. Basically a bunch of us come up with an armor design, draw/render it, and send it in, than it is judge based on practicality and aesthetic
Make the sexiest armor possible while compromising the smallest amount of physical protection? I'd love to participate in a contest like that. It'd be really fun. I even have an idea of how to imply cleavage while leaving the armor entirely protected.
Another catagory of 'decorative' might have been in order. Just look at the funny hats of the queens guard in England. Ceremonial pieces are often impractical.
26:58 the heels character design is a hobby of mine and i was curious one day so i decided to test how easy or difficult it was to move in various types heels, those ones in particular put A LOT of strain on the Achilles tendon. Granted, i certainly wasn't used to it AT ALL but it was still quite painful i'm pretty sure ALL of my weight was being supported by the tendon, wedges of the same height were surprisingly comfortable though edit: just throwing this out there for any who aren't aware, wearing heels of any kind too often can actually shorten the Achilles tendon
I noticed that when I broke my heel and was too much of a man (or idiot, either works) to go to the hospital, and just walked around on my toes with that foot for months. Took quite a while and a bit of stretching to get that achilles tendon back to it's original length.
@@The_Friendly_Fire Most people would notice it in their daily lives if they only thought about it. When crouching, can you crouch on flat foot?! Most adults in Europe and America cannot. Almost no woman that constantly wears heels can. Most can only crouch on their foots front, exactly because their tendons are shortened. And it has nothing to do with being an adult. There's an entire culture that promotes crouching a lot, and most of that is done flat-footed...cause it's more comfortable and can be done for hours on end. It's a shame I don't remember that name of the place.
Thank you for extending the scope of scientific investigation regarding boob armor. Very informative and entertaining. I love your library and statuary in the background.
When I first saw women in armor i thought, "so she's a warrior too? Cool! Everyone needs armor if they're a warrior" then omce I grew up i still thought that way even when playing games and I realised that different types of armor in games do seem more effective than others. When I first saw bikini armor I thought it was just a bikini made with metallic fibers that was enchanted by magic, turns out it wasn't magic and I had previously learned that sex sells and I just used that logic, when I played other games I began noticing how female characters tend to have some hysterical accuracy for how their class dresses. Example: female ninja dressing in skimpy clothes or in seductive ways im an effort to try and distracted the man with their *assets* this makes armor seem useless unless its applied in the sense of functionality, so they would use it in a way they could still be seductive.
Aren't man seductive as well? Why don't they also use impossibly tight suits to distract other men (and women, who exist in this battlefield), if this "distraction" is so effective? What if they find another woman (that isn't attracted to them) in the battlefield, then it will just be useless, will it not? Idk man, Hitler could be the sexiest woman in the world, the things she/he did/ordered other people to do are pretty fucked up and if we were in a room alone I would STILL beat her up. If someone's ideals are so incredibly opposite to yours, doesn't matter how sexy they are, I will still disagree with them (and in a battle, fight for my life against them)
For the angel, I think there's some justification, assuming that she's fighting other flying beings and is flying with her body parallel to the ground. She'd be in trouble if her enemies were to come at her from above or below, but if she's facing them head-on, then she really would only need armor on the upper body, the arms, and the top of the head (the last of which is conspicuously lacking).
31:35 I think Oz is right on this being a body-painted naked lady. You can see her belly button, whereas with skin-tight suits (even fantastical/sci-fi ones) you generally don't see those types of features. Seeing the nipple and at least the hinting of crotch-detail (in the image I think it's just the strapping of the suit lending itself to the illusion) would not be things put on display by a protective skintight suit. This brings up an interesting point about the dichotomy of protection versus display. If there were means other than worn armor to protect oneself (spells, super abilities, sci-fi technology, etc) would one necessarily forgo protective clothing in favor of more flattering non-armor display? We sort of see this with armor and armament in the real-world setting with the advent of ballistics weapons and in the modern era we've also got ballistics-resistent clothing in addition to the ballistics vests and body armor.
Impossible skin-tight armor that can show all the details can all be excused by fantasy and sci-fi, and thank goodness for that. 👀 Also not out of place in anime at all.
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Hey Shad, Just wanted to say that I have recently finishe the audiobook for Shadow of the conqueror and all I can say is: WOW. Absolutey loved it, Daylas made his mark on me! I pray you plan to make a sequel about his "sentence", top work Shad!
i agree, fantastic story. i love the world building put into it
@@therizinosaurus214 Absolutely, the world he built is brilliant! One of my favourite books I've read in years!
Yes and his magic system is great too. I love a sequel to his novel.
I loved the world building too, not exactly a fan of some stuff that happened in the story but i specially liked the ending, really waiting for a sequel
I'm going thru it a second time myself
I love the contrast between Shads serious "for science!" And Oz's "I like boobs". Makes for amusing entertainment value lol
Men of culture indeed
Oz is a great foil for Shad
Oz : "I can't really see, can you zoom in a bit?"
So cultured. Talking about the mammary glands of women.
What a missed opportunity to start with "Greetings, I'm Shad, and I'm a massive fan of boobs." static-cut "Greetings, I'm Shad..."
Thanks Shad, I was really in need of femal armor ref's ^^. welp while watching I also done some goggle pic reverse research so I did find some artist behind a few pictures:
10:21 Evil hunter by Joo draws (Artstation)
10:31 Archer by Pon Wong (artstation)
12:21 장미 캐릭터 컨셉 rose concept by _ MOOWM _ (Artstation)
14:41 illust by mook eun (artstation)
18:52 canceled Videogame work by Brad Rigney (artstation)
19:07 Saber fanart workshop demo by Ruan Jia (artstation)
24:35 Diablo 3 fan art by Bogdanbl4 (deviant art)
26:08 A gun of oath 誓言之枪 by Jun Rao (artstation)
29:57 Fantasy knight by Xu Yang (Artstation)
25:27 seems to be a magic the gathering card
36:00 DRAKEN by Bageumi (artstation)
36:54 TEMPLER by Bageumi (artstation)
40:32 sitting girl_knight by YEONJUN PARK (artstation)
42:09 女骑士 by JunTing Chen (artstation)
42:53 Holy Knight by Carl Johan Bäckman (artstation)
43:19 Spear_Knight by Daejun Park (Gae Go) (artstation)
43:52 character concept by Chul Min Lee (artstation)
25:27 - This one is by 정희규[heegur]
No coincidence that the majority of these artists are East Asian.
MVP right there !
kinda wanna say 'how' and 'i know why' at the same time!
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The art and artists' names of some of my favourites:
12:19 rose concept by _ MOOWM _
12:33 アレクシア (Alexia) by エナミカツミ (Katsumi Enami)
16:58 Fierce cover by Miguel Coimbra
17:23 Knight Female by Gwanghui Yoon
19:05 Saber by 阮佳ruan.jia
21:36 warrior wome by Dog Car
24:18 Medieval Concept "Gambeson" by dongho Kang
25:26 Unknown title by Heegur
26:09 A gun of oath 誓言之枪 by Jun Rao
27:28 029 by Muel Kim
28:10 Wolf Knight by Kveldulv
28:42 Valkyrie Brynhildr by Tsuyoshi Nagano
29:57 Fantasy knight by Xu Yang
35:08 Character Concept by Dongho Kong
35:14 Elf Knight by Anna Kharitonova
40:21 Character concept by Jeong Hoon Park
40:33: sitting girl_knight by YEONJUN PARK
42:52 Holy Knight by Carl Johan Bäckman
43:10 蒼の騎士 (Blue knight) by ソノソ (Sonoso)
Yessss thank you
@@dizzyheads It's a pleasure. I absolutely adore rasonable women in armor.
based af
Based *science* enjoyer
King, you dropped your crown 👑
"It is for the Science, and boy, I love Science!" - Shad.
This was the first thing to give me perception of this video and I just laughed because it makes so much sense.
I'm something of the scientist myself.
Who doesn't love science? (Specially this branch of science)
Q:Why is the theme song for Weird Science playing in my head?
A: Kelly LeBrock
No boob armor just boobs
physics and biology
I too have conducted extensive research on boob armour for science. Glad to see someone keeping the field alive.
I am most grateful to shad for keeping me abreast of the situation
@@nionashborn7626 He's definitely cleaving his way through this field of study.
What's the deference between a Roman Armor, and a Boob Armor?
"for science"
Be careful of the booby traps while you go on this path of research.
"Secure your Boobs" -Shad, 2022
"Arrest your chest" -Oz 2022.
This is freakin GOLD!!!
Absolutely GOLD
i have to give props to the sheer amount of innuendos oz is managing to throw out that sound so innocent in context, he has to half shout them while giving meaningful looks to the camera to get the point across.
a true master of his craft.
His deadpan is a work of art.
His innuendo work is as good as a master PC builders would be... Trust me when I say that if you watch a channel like jayztwocents, LTT, or even Paul's hardware as well as bitwit, it won't be hard to understand exactly what I mean... Not all videos are like that obviously, but we're computer geeks, and some will overcompensate to a degree, while others just love to get a laughing moment or two in the videos, and using either way once in a while, seems to really help get and retain viewers that understand a little anatomical humor and other things a computer guy might say... It's hard to explain really, as it's generally so off the cuff that it's not necessarily going to be common phrases, and you might not notice them unless you're looking, but still, when you do notice, you start noticing other innuendos...
"Often my fantasies and female armor go hand in hand."
-Oz
Love it
"Massive fantasies."
Oz is a very, very, VERY naughty Hobbit Jerkins!
Truly a man of culture!
Man of culture, he said. Big hand culture.
Armor: offers protection.
Female armor: offers everything.
I work for an Army command that produces body armor for soldiers. A "Female Cut" aka "alternative cut" has been a challenge and a priority in the last two years. There's a temptation to be 'whimsical" concerning the subject matter but it's trickier than most people think to make a comfortable cut for women to move and fight with.
Foam weapon Larp along with plastic baseball bat fighting, so I made more than my fare share of cardboard duct tape boob armor.
Then dealing with .. hip .. waist and thighs dressing is nearly different for each woman, so mass cheap production is close to impossible.
Recently our company has tried to get better fitting workclothes for the female employes in order to draw more of them to the occupation. Let me tell you; it has not been without problems.
Whatever fits one never fits the other.
In all fairness they have never been a good fit for the male body either ...
It has at least brought to attention how ridicolous we all look in our current workclothes.
We have complained about that for years but never been listened to before.
The Swedish Defence Force has issued ballistic body armor for women just recently. I had thought that unless you're very busty it's a one-size-fits-all situation, but I guess not xP
It's almost as if the female body isn't designed for fighting...............
@@Paveway-chan Even with bras it's not like that at all, bras are infamously difficult for women to find perfects fits for.
Even just women with average chest size will have to go through trial and error with it and even then the same sizes will fit differently.
I am glad to see Shad keeping abreast of all the available historical knowledge.
Clever man
Genius xD
Boob Boob, Tush! ;-)
guess what you get when hitting something with an axe...
A cleaver would get even bigger results
This
See, this is why I like this channel. It doesn't rag on artists who just want to create a piece for... cultural consumption, it praises those who depict something that's practical and effective, and there are the oblique references to noice booba. You guys basically share my view of female armour: there are two ways to enjoy it.
Im sorry , but I feel that just viewing this from a practical point Shad is giving ammo to those raving, misandrist aka feminists that constantly harp about female armor design. Not for a single second have they ever viewed it from your perspective. No, they hate it because in their world view it is AMORAL to cater to hetero-secual men. They abhor the depiction of beautiful, feminin women - so much so that they even get triggered by armor that alludes to a feminin body type. We live in a time where words like "sexualization", a vague nebulous term that doesn't even mean anything exist; in times where men are being openly attact for soemthing that's been perfectly natural for millenia. There's no need to make excuses for that.
Oh dear, someone cant find a date.
@@giannidescalzo2101 Oh dear, someone can't find a good argument to save their life so resorts to personal attacks. Never seen that before... Guess I hit a nerve
@@TR-kk2bh cry more.
@@TR-kk2bh i donf know man, are you not doing the same thing?
I mean, i know there such thing as pointed toes and heeled Sabatons (foot armor) and endowed cotch pieces, but impractical armor is impractical armor...
Interesting to hear leg armor is low priority. Neat explanation.
Yes and your Xbox profile pic is great. Gave me nostalgia
Mobility
Scenario: shad needs money to fund his castles
Shad: "Whelp, time for another boob armor video"
lady money as well
Next video shad wears a cod piece
@@laisphinto6372 Will it have some... *MACHICOLATIONS!*
@@zerefsunlimitedshipworks Machicolations for a codpiece? You mean like, a hole to pee through, like on some underwear?
Ah yes, the return of this glorious topic!
It took all of 45 seconds to solve it. It is as rare and unhistorical and anatomically complex as hump-backed armor. If you wanted to craft it, you would and could.
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Both of them!
For the statue of Jeanne d'Arc in Mont Saint Michel, being french it was easier for me to find, it was ordered in 1901 and presented for the first time in 1908 bye Mgr Fuzet, archevêque of Rouen.
I actually once wrote an article about the dress trends in the few large groups of female warriors documented historically, with pictures of artwork and surviving armor, as applicable. I'm not an expert by any means, but I did find a few sources you might not have seen yet. I'd be happy to send that to you if there's a channel email or something, Shad.
Did you make any unexpected discoveries or come to any interesting conclusions?
please do, I'd love to see your sources, email is shadiversity@gmail.com
Where would I be able to find your article? It'd be interesting to hear more perspectives on it. Or at least to research the groups you refer to
boob armour seemed weird to me until i seen just how many armours in history have been wildly impracticable just for style. I used to think "well boob armour isn't the ideal scientific armour so therefore its far too unrealistic" and then i realized that armour is designed by humans who are notorious for being dumb as fuck and doing things because it looks cool and for no other reason.
Yeah, many amors with six-packs or metal boners.
Guess who was blocked by Anita Sarkeesian for pointing this out with pictures as evidence for my claims.
The Trope is called perhaps "Reality is Unrealistic."
@@callmefox630 this is a wonderful trope to punch into google. thank you
I mean, humans did invent the chiseled ab cuirass and schlong codpieces.
The "rule of cool", if you are going to do something do it with style!
Well, now I feel you've kept me abreast of the full body of this issue, with your well rounded analysis.
Clearly armor which accommodates breasts can be a broad topic, and isn't just for the birds.
This video definitely provides an informative Service for Fans of medieval armor.
"abreast", "well rounded" "full body" , "broad" 🤣
@@michaelshelton5488 and birds :P
*slow clap*
Well played, sir. Well played.
@@sheldoniusRex Or madam, as the case may be :P
Underrated comment
It's that time again, Ladies and Gentlemen. For which Shad has another video discussing female armor once more.
It's part 5 to Shadiversity's thrilling series on the practicality of cleavage shaped armour and how useful it would actually be. (Read this and original comment in dragon ball narrator voice for additional style points)
@@soaringraven0 cleavage isn’t the bosom you virgin 😂
The patron saint of boob armor has blessed us again.
I count 9 times, but they are realize their was a couple of two parters
@@woaddragon "Couple," "two parters": I see what you did there. 😀
Honestly the high heels bother me way more than most of the boob armor (or lack of armor). You can fight without armor. As Shad said people have fought naked, but you gotta be able to run, move unpredictably, jump and travers difficult terrain that might have blood and bodies and all sorta of other things laying around. Sure you ware heels in ball room dancing, but the point of that is too look pretty and you have a smooth flat floor and get to move in practiced and predicable ways. Also you're not going to die if your footing gets unstable in a ballroom.
Seriously heels in armor is SO dumb!
I wore 6 inch stacks (Demonia boots) for a costume. They were very interesting to walk in. I would not like to run in them. At the same time, 2 and 3 inch stacks, I have run and sparred in.
@@Altrantis The horseback riding is a great point. I am not a great rider but I have done enough that the idea of dismounting from a horse in spike heels makes me shudder.
One could maybe consider the heels as a sort of parade ground dress. When I was in the US Army, we had parade boots and field boots. The parade boots were horrible in wet and muddy conditions.
I could maybe get behind heels as this was parade and Dining In footwear. But not what was worn on campaign.
Any chance heels make any sense in that context for compensating (or just adding) some body height? Can't agree with any of those stilettos though
@@Altrantis I believe it's possible to fight in heels. People are amazing. People can also fight with one hand tied behind there back or do crazy things like draw a bow with their toes, or shoot while hanging upside down. But I fail to see any practical reason to have heels in combat. Even for horse back riding you would never want heels that are several inches long. The reason for heels on calvary boots is to make sure your foot doesn't slip through the stirrup and cause your foot to get caught and also to keep your foot in the proper position with the ball centered on the stirrup. Extreme heels would with a steep angle between the toe and the base of the heel would make that harder and more dangerous than no heel at all.
In the end, just because it's possible and people have managed to do it, doesn't mean it isn't way more unstable and dangerous and an overall a determent and handicap. If you were seriously designing something, where you needed to fight to the death in difficult and unpredictable terrain and footwork and speed were important, I don't think you would ever in a 1000 years want 3 inch narrow heels on your shoes.
Also, I bet women who claim to have fought in high heels did so on flat hard gym or studio floors, and not on natural and potentially soft or uneven earth. Imagine trying to run over a muddy uneven battlefield in high narrow heels, or up a steep gravely hillside, while trying to defend from attacks from higher ground?
@@malacostracus3663 I don't know much about how the advantage of height works in combat, but I'd assume the advantage comes more from the length of one's arms, which increases the reach and leverage one can have with a weapon, rather than the height of one's legs. Taller people have longer arms and therefore a wider reach. Waring heels wouldn't make their arms longer, so I doubt it would be helpful.
"It's very important that we look at the shaping here".
Gold.
This is going to be a fun video to send to people who start yelling about armor.
27:10
As they should..
I've never been interested in Science so much more after watching this video.
I've been working on my PhD on jiggle physics for some time now. Thing is, I often get distracted ...
@@BurghezulDjentilom Distracted? You mean getting Educated?
@@prestonangel448 no I mean instead of studying the fluid dynamics, I get stuck on the topology and thermodynamic interactions with the two sensors. it seems that just like a fluid, low temperatures will expand them - quite interesting !
Not gonna lie, Shad has a solid point with the sports bra comments around 29:30, the whole reason I got into making skimpy Xena style leather gear for women is our fellow participants wanted something cooler than their bodices to go run around in the back 40 playing pagan summer camp games in.
19:10 Ayyo is that Arthur? Whoever made that is amazing, because it takes Type/MOON Arthur Pendragon (Artoria Pendragon) and makes her look semi-realistic. So if the artist stumbles upon this comment, excellent work mate.
Dammit Shad, you liked the comment while I was in the middle of editing it, lol. Anyway, since I can't edit it now, I'll type my edit in this reply to my comment. I was kinda surprised you knew enough of Fate/Stay Night, but when I thought more about it I realized that of all anime the Fate series would of course be one of the shows I'd most expect you to watch due to the theme it has with slightly modified Historical and Mythological figures.
I would like a video on male fantasy armor from well-known franchises. Like how impractical or practical some of them are. One armor that comes to mind for me is Black Luster Soldier from yugioh because of the chest plate.
Shad managed to tackle some of that in a video on cursed fantasy armor. One wouldn't mind seeing him tackle more fantasy armor designs that weren't easy low hanging fruit like chainmail bikinis and boob plate.
Regarding the “Illusion 100” section, I can totally imagine a woman joining a hyper-masculine army, and when a nosy soldier starts questioning the unusual scrawniness & softer voice of the new guy, his less-perceptive friend responds with “Well yeah, but have you seen that codpiece? Totally not a woman in disguise!”
As a counterpart: a man tries to join an all-female warrior group. Someone notices how gingerly “she” protects her groin area despite already having an amply wide armored skirt. “We’ll yeah, but have you seen that breastplate? Totally not a man in disguise!”
So... Mulan but European. Also genderbent. Got it
@@dogdog357 With the exception that "Mulan" [ And others... ] could actualy, historically be on the battlefield. It happend [ Rarely of course. ] that a member of the familly took the place of a other warrior [ Yes even women. ] if that person was dead or sick etc..
I'm not sure if you're an AI, because if you were a man you'd know that we don't, in fact, protect our crotch all the time. Especially if we're already wearing armor.
If you were a woman, you'd know that it actually does hurt a lot to get kicked "down there" as well. Perhaps not as much as a man, I'm not a woman, but it's also very soft parts that can be easily damaged.
“We don’t, in fact, protect our crotch all the time.” - We’re also not in heavy combat all the time. ;P
In ww1 there was a Serbian woman that actually pulled it off till she was injured
13:42 funnily enough, super strength is not enough to wield a sword that big. You need super mass. The issue isnt lack of strength, its the fact that you cant swing the sword without flying off in every which direction like Thor flies with Mjölnir.
In XXXL-Sword Russia, you do not wield sword. Sword wield you. xD
Well strength comes from muscle, someone with enough strength to lift gargantuan swords like that is almost certainly pushing thousand+ of pounds in muscle mass alone, but then that leads to the question of "how do their bones not turn to powder under that stress" at which point you just have say their bones are super strong and just give up with physics and logic.
@@killerbug05 But you can clearly see the character doesnt weigh thousands of pounds. Unless she has super mass/super density also, which is the other super power required like I mentioned
It does somewhat limit your movement, but not completely
One of the sword channels, I forget which, talked once about how you could accomadate with super strength to weild a weapon that's heavier than you are
@@Trepur349 Quite right. The vertical component of the applied force will be countered "for free", gravity is real ;) Worst case, you jump, if the vertical component exceeds your mass and the weapons mass combined. It's the horizontal component that is an issue IF it exceeds your mass. BUT if your figthing style takes that into account, you can actually move WITH the weapon, which could in itself be quite fearsome, could become very "swirly and 360'ish" very fast :D
One of the things that bothers me with many artistic drawings of armor is when the base of the chestplate ends in a V shape. You would literally stab yourself in the stomach with it if you bent over. The base of the chestplate should always curve in the other direction or have multiple overlaping bands to allow for forward bending.
This is hands-down the most important video Shad has ever made.
'hands-down' ...... Teheheheheheh
Elaboration on "Saber" as the gender-swapped King Arthur
She was to lead the people of Britain, but the people wouldn't accept a female leader. Even stunts like the sword in the stone were Merlin's attempts to justify her rule.
Ultimately, she was forced to pretend to be a man in order to win the loyalty of her people. With "some magic from Merlin" being used to explain how she sired Mordred.
Addendum: "Why is she called Saber?"
In the visual novel Fate/Stay Night (from which the anime is adapted from), the story is a magical battle royale. Seven mages would summon heroes from myth to fight like they were pokemon... although unlike pokemon, killing the mage and letting their summon disappear is a viable and often preferred action. BECAUSE these summons are literal legends, knowing even just the name of your opponent tells you a lot about how to beat them. As a result, they keep their names a secret for as long as possible, answering to their "Class" instead.
Saber/Lancer/Archer/Caster/Rider/Berserker/Assassin
(Usually, they tell their summoner their true name, but in the Visual Novel our protagonist is seen as too dumb to keep it a secret, so Saber keeps her name hidden from him as well.)
"Massive Fantasy" That had me dying. Good job, give us more Oz in the future.
A good way of testing the suitability of a fantasy/sci-fi armour or costume (male or female) is to ask 'would this character's mum let them go out questing like this?'
your adventurers have parents that are alive?
This works perfectly for Morrigan from Dragon Age
What makes you think the Amazon mom isn't wearing the same thing
That'd be a NO for all of them. Moms usually don't let their children out on dangerous questing, period. Never mind what they wear or don't wear.
@@elderscrollsswimmer4833 that depends on the mom doesn’t it
I've spent more time studying boob armor than I did for the degree in my field.
1:09 Of course! He would want to put his ideas into the subject!
1:21 "Massive" Fantasy! Right!
2:08 "A to Triple D." We are in for a ride, today!
6:13 My focus here is why the horse's tongue is out like that!
14:50 Oz is now in full effect!
17:52 I'm just going to laugh all thought the video.
22:35 - 22:39 I have no words.
25:16 Bell bottoms. It's bell bottoms.
27:23 I'm wondering what the hell Oz is talking about!
30:35 I love the design on that one!
35:35 Not by a long shot. Not protective at all.
35:43 Don't drink it all in at once, Oz!
36:25 just walked right into that one! Whoooooooooooooooooooooooo!
You two had WAY too much fun making this xD I imagine I was laughing as hard as you guys were while recording this lmao.
Throughout history people have justified a lot of "things" for the pursuit of science. Glad to see Shad carrying the torch for SCIENCE, definitely science.
In ballroom dancing you often have a partner for support. I have had many a woman lose her footing in dancing but the crowd never knew it because I was there to support her and help her get back on track. Also with dancing you are using well rehearsed steps in a safe environment.
Also, I'm glad you're getting an audible sponsorship here, Shad! I have the audio version of your book, great stuff! And Lyra is definitely a kick-butt female character who wears very distinct armor. Looking forward to your next book!
Shad. This is beautiful. Would you be willing to do this again for female characters in fiction as opposed to artworks? Keep up the good work you cultured lad.
The artesia comic series by mark smylie would be a good place to start. Lots of female characters wearing Late Medieval/Renaissance armors, and I would describe the female mc as a pagan version of joan of arc.
The zero to a hundred of serious input from “wooo boobs” to “do you really think they had that level of sophistication in their bronze work at the time?”
I played a fantasy combat rpg once where the outfits/"armor" didn't provide the defensive stats, but the mystical mumbojumbo slotted into the outfits did instead. Imo, completely feasible to have a lightweight fantasy armor where the value of the armor is to protect the magic powersource that magically shields the user
You could even argue that other material gets in the way of the force shield, so the less you wear the better protected you are. The entire outfit could consist of narrow straps that hold the magical shielding crystals. Since crystals are expensive, cheaper armor has more plated material, and more expensive armor has less material and more crystals.
Something like Arcanum did with their whole thing of technology conflicting with magic and stuff. In that universe, technical devices tend to have issues whilst in the presence of magic and vice versa. Same thing here could be done with an armor.
I think your idea would work with how in some fantasy tropes Metal messes with magic to an absurd degree. So it could be said that yes, there's enchantments on the thinner material armor that BOTH deflects attacks and subsequently has a healing property for in case the attack passes through the magic force field. The area's where they can afford to not have the enchantment (or as another said, powered stones a la Elderscrolls of soul stones can be place) you could place some kind of metal to give extra protection.
@@jesseallen3109 The other person was referring to a videogame called Arcanum that came out like 20 years ago. Technology conflicted with magic and vice versa...the more advanced the technology was, the more interference it caused. This also affected your character's skills - if you invested in technology skills, it would weaken your magic skills, and if you invested in magic skills, your tech abilities would suffer. Furthermore, people with a high affinity for magic were prohibited from entering certain areas where there was a lot of technology, for example, if you had a high magic skill, you wouldn't be allowed to use the train because the train could malfunction if you were on it.
In any case, there was another videogame called Scarlet Blade, which was an MMORPG where your character is one of many cyborgs that were created to explore the surface of a post-apocalyptic world to retrieve resources that the humans living underground need to survive, as well as to combat things that are trying to destroy their life support systems and such. These cyborgs all had a female form for some reason that is explained in the game's lore (I don't remember why), and you don't wear armor (because of the cybernetic body's strength and mobility limitations, if memory serves), instead using a type of portable force field technology. Thus, you only wear different cosmetic outfits and can even run around completely naked since the force field generator is implanted inside the cyborg's body. The game was kind of big news at the time because there was a big uproar about the way women are portrayed in video games in general right around when the game was announced.
Shad's wife: Isn't at home.
Shad's wife: He's probably cheating on me or drinking with the boys.
Meanwhile Chad when wife isn't at home.
28:44
Tsuyoshi Nagano
30:39
"Metal girl" by Ley Bowen. Beiging, China (artstation)
Episodes like this would benefit from having Claudia in front of the camera. Or at least speaking more if she doesn't want to appear. I'm sure she has more thoughts worth hearing about the aesthetics of some of these pieces, and how she'd feel about fighting or adventuring while wearing them.
I totally agree. This episode would have benefitted geatly from more input from that perspective.
then let's make another episode of it but now it includes female perspectives
This really lacked a female perspective, it would have really improved the content.
yeah. i mean, he actually went so far as to bring on a Guest for this, so why not have a Woman when talking about exclusively female Armor?
@@dyamonde9555 It may be due to them focusing more on the armor aspect as protection, rather than how comfortable they would be. They did bring up being poked by the armor every now and then, and when that happened she did intervene and they all did talk. But the video wasn't entirely about that.
21:29 we can take that a little further: it did get hot wearing full plate armor and it wasn't uncommon to have a kind of heat stroke during battle (also helmet terror was and is very much a thing). Leaving the thighs exposed in such a manner could help keep a bit more cool. Additionally, in more drawn out conflicts, it helps in allowing the wearer to more easily use the restroom while also remaining fully geared and ready for action should it be necissary.
Roman Gladiators often left their thighs exposed as well, but I personally believe that could've just been a choice to keep costs down for gearing up and/or for aesthetics. It could've also been a way to keep the gladiators cool, but that could've also just been a side effect of a choice for other reasons be it financial or aesthetic.
Despite popular myth, gladiator battle is a show, death here is accident , not goal. Neither gladiator fight is close to actual warfare.
@@alexzero3736 so like boxing but bloodier
I happen to really like the art piece at 41:10 because I love the concepts of valkyries as a whole. And if going for a more agile fighting style, the lack of armor seems right up that alley.
6:17 Hi Shad.... for what it's worth, I thought I'd mention that the Joan of Arc status at Mont Saint Michel is likely modern in design. From what I can find, the status was sculpted by Maison Raffl, a religious statues and church furniture company based in Paris that operated between the 1850s and 1950s.
It definitely looks very XIXth century
It helps to be able to read French when it comes to these things. It was commissioned in 1901 and inaugurated in 1908.
joan of arc was amongst others sentenced for crossdressing if her armor was altered it would have come up
@@redotheday3376 Correct.
37:03
"I mean, if I had a maid, I'd want her to have protection too." ~ Oz
Remember... always use protection!
A few years back, there were "medieval armor historian experts" among the modding community for the Elder Scrolls games complaining nearly nonstop about female armor chest pieces with boob shapes as historically inaccurate and completely unrealistic. They'd put walls of texts explaining why such armors would never work in real life. When some people actually challenged these "experts" and used points very similar to Shad's, the "experts" often threw tantrums and name calling.
I still come across "armor experts" today in video game forums bitching about how boob armors should be completely flat at the chest for females. I remember a female gamer actually responding to these "experts" about how a flat metal chest piece would actually make it uncomfortable and unbearable for "well-endowed" females who participate in renaissance re-enactments/LARPing. It's funny that these "experts" actually tried shaming this female gamer and accused her of being a guy pretending to be a girl on the forums.
Yes, it would make it uncomfortable. These things on our chests are attached to us and if you press them down too much, it hurts. It also hurts to not make sure they're properly supported. I think that barbarian armor at 24:49 wouldn't be too bad if that leather bra had some straps. I don't know what the hell is keeping her from falling out of that thing. Must be magic. But the girls do look supported.
In the Elder Scrolls Online a lot of the early female armor was essentially the same as the male armor. Over time the female armor has got more boob-armor like because what they found is that people never used the armor that was very male-looking. There are a lot of women playing ESO and they didn't want their characters to look like men either. Sure, it's just a game and the appearance of the armor makes no difference to its protective properties. However, I feel certain that if there ever were a society where there were many female warriors, they would absolutely have armor that made them look female. The argument that there is no historical examples of female-form armor in the real world is weak because there were almost no female warriors, so what incentive or experience did an armor-smith have to make female-formed armor.
@@garrick3727 True. As you mentioned, historic female armor was unlikely because men mainly fought in the wars and/or served as soldiers and knights. But as Shad pointed out, there appeared to be historic armor that were made for females. Metal armor at that and it resembled some of the better designed female fantasy armors. It even had a chest cavity bump for the breasts and slimmer waist.
@@amyrat151 I get what you meant. I like Shad's argument against female armors showing the legs and arms. I mean, men wore such armor that didn't cover the legs and arms, so why can't females? I also hate when "historic armor experts" argue that bikini armor didn't make sense even in the fantasy world, yet they have no issues with male barbarians running around in skimpy armor. It's plain foolishness and gender bias.
@@Constellasian Yes but it's all artwork. There is no actual surviving armor to prove that it wasn't medieval artist male gaze. I am sure it existed, it's just there were so few female warriors that there could not have been many examples.
This video was interesting to me, as a lady myself I already have problems manuvering my arms in a smooth way like you guys were talking about, so the metal bump would be about the same for me. ive never really thought much about the armour before so this was an interesting thought experement for me on what i would personally need in a fantasy setting.
@@thotslayer9914 Certified bruh moment
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@@skullcat1378 lmao the irony in their username as well
I tell ya Shad, for a while now you have shaped my view on these subjects in writing and you’ve inspired me when writing my own stories. Thank you.🥳
31:00 It's a fascinating concept for armour tho. You'd need to design a metal alloy that has non-Newtonian properties in room temperature, that bends and flexes with the skin like a fluid but that "tenses up" and hardens when subjected to a blow. It'd be the most protection-for-weight-efficient armor possible, without any movement restrictions. Cool idea!
I know what you mean.
Nano machines, son. They harden in response to physical trauma!
When you put it that way, it seems cool. But if no one told me that, I would've thought the armor wasn't just given good design consideration (I'm not an artist alrite, but I do have common sense), but other than that, the art is REALLY good
It's called "shear-thickening fluid". Last I heard, there was research on using it in the real world.
Shad, I see you're a man of science as well. You know, I'm something of the scientist myself.
My favorite branch on medieval science. Boobarmorology.
"Technically she's only revealing about 20% of her skin, if you were to take the (w)hole into consideration"
"...poor choice of words, Shad. Poor choice of words."
That got me.
And just before that at 37:03, "I'd want protection too!" Then "she can dust my sword." 🤦 I've descended too low, I immediately understood those while it seemed Shad didn't.
I would love to see the conversation between Shad and Queen Brooks.
Him: “This is for an episode My Queen.”
Her: “Hmmhmm.”
Him: “For science.”
The 60s pants were called "Bell Bottoms", Flare leg pants are slightly different but similar. also boot cut pants are not the same thing.
Shad: knows everything there is to know about historical/fantasy medieval boob armor. Can't think of the words bell bottoms or parachute pants.
They might have been called that in America. We actually called them "flares".
“I’m a massive fan of fantasy”
Me: looks around and sees what shad is wearing: “I do not believe you.”
I've done most of my fencing and fighting in riding boots with usually around two inch heels. A reasonable height to the heel isn't a problem at all since your weight tends to be forward anyway. Those thin, pointy ones though would be a problem on anything that wasn't a hard, flat surface.
You have to be really careful with anything that has separated cups. Firstly, anything that's deflecting upward gets left with no place to go except right at the wearer's neck. Hopefully that's armored too, but it turns a whole range of glancing blows that rely on the integrity of one piece into more solid hits that rely on two pieces to stop them.
And definitely avoid it for any activities with heavier weapons. One of the local tournaments here had a lady with such a breastplate involved in the jousting tournament, and even with rattan lances that shatter on impact, that valley concentrated the impact such that she had to absorb the full force of the blow instead of the majority of it glancing off. Ripped her right off her horse and cracked several ribs. Like bouncing off the front of a truck. She lived, but it was rather a near thing.
That's honestly a great point why the different cups idea needs to die out.
I found it hilarious when Shads wife or daughter or friend yelled from a different room "I wouldn't want to run in it!"
One of those moments where it’s hard to explain that I watch Shadiversity for practical medieval advice
Yeah I opted to not watch this one around my parents lol
You guys are too funny.
This is a really interesting exploration of medieval 'science!' 😉
The thing that gets me for like every one of the females armor is their steel high heels they just look so impractical and ridiculous
I agree. It's so annoying and I'm baffled he keeps calling those practical. There's no fucking way a woman can practically move with those heels. High heels are ugly, they destroy your feet, they're bad for your posture, and they severely impair your movement. And when you add heavy armor, it makes it all the more difficult to stand on your feet and not exhaust yourself.
male ( and maybe even female/kids ) armour from 1600"s had 👠 stiletto's but yes how effective fighting in 3-6 heals ? 🤔 not sure maybe it was ceremonial gear?
as for daily heal's and civilised life i don't see how heals/platform's get in the way of life if anything and you're short like my female friend's/family is it makes easygoing
@@Accrovideogames I'm not sure how practical those specific depictions of high heels are, but high heels were invented for soldiers and only later became part of women's fashion. Its function was to attach the feet to stirrups. So actually high heels are entirely practical in warfare for cavalry. Again, I don't know how practical the heels in the art are, stilettos almost certainly wouldn't be practical, but the concept isn't far from the truth.
Lots of people have already told you why you're stupid, and I will too. High heels with armor is helpful in riding a horse in battle... like an armored knight would.
"My intelligence is a ten,
Yours are three and fours
It's not my fault
Stupid motherfucker, it's yours"
Personally, we could always generalize all armor with, Utilitarian, Show/Dress, and somewhere in between.
Why were just a little bit of padding, rings, lamellar, scales or plate when you can get a whole set and get it decorated? A warrior that is both well protected and stylish.
But one thing you can say about Armorsmiths of long ago and armor artists today is, for the right amount and given enough time, they will lovingly and meticulously decorate a piece from the tasteful to the ridiculously garish.
I have seen so many intellectually dishonest arguments against that kind of design. In the end I grew so tired of the "That kind of armor wouldn't exist" argument that I eventually decided to come up with excuses for literally bikini armor.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo Wait, what do you mean exactly?
I don't like bikini armor myself, it feels too much of an overused trope for "eye candy".
My mistake for not clarifying that what I do like are more towards differently shaped lamellar/scales, filigree, scrollwork and the like
Will add a bit more to the original comment
@@crisr.8280 I meant what I meant. Tired of people complaining of "unrealistic armor" I decided to envision ways to make those complainers even angrier by going beyond unrealistic into full blown fan service.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo OH yeah! When the "complaints" get so damn annoying and you decide "Frick it. I'll make an actual armor IRL. Now it's real"
I've made cosplay and theater props and armor and would love to make that for someone but I still lack the cloth and leather skills.
Only made costume armor for myself so far so maybe somewhere in the future
@@crisr.8280 no. I meant in my writing. I will let the cosplay for the fans.
Hey Shad, I sent you a couple of female armours that I designed on Instagram (assuming that its you and not a fake).
One inspired by Greenwich English armour (specifically King Henrys tournament armour) and one that is gothic armour.
I think you'll like them. Though they aren't "boob armour", they do emphasise the female form.
Can I see them?
^ for scientific research of course
@@swordnoob9402 Sorry, every time I try telling you how. My comment gets deleted. I think there is some kind of auto detection to prevent anything that could be self promotion.
@@RainMakeR_Workshop You could put that info in the "about" section of your channel and just tell anyone that asks to look there.
I'm going to suggest that the armor made by that female blacksmith in A Knight's Tale would be pretty dope as a female armor variant
I think the ones where you guys get confused on whether there's armor under the cloth or not are better than they seem, just in concept. They show that the woman is wearing armor, but it's hard to know where the weak points are. It could be the whole torso; it could be a little gap that you can't see. Seems especially practical for everyday use
Just two grown men analysing characteristics, practicallity, and design choices of female body armor.
*Nothing strange here.*
12:35 Shad: "This one is great! It's even more historially authentic ... " -- me looking at those armored heels 0.0
I know, I know - we focus on chest armor area - just found it funny :D
Unprotected thighs too.
In medieval times, high heels were masculine.
This is one of my fav Shad videos so far, just because of how opposite Shad and Oz are.
We need Oz featured more!
Oz's comedic relief character to bounce off of is such a great addition to this channel
39:07 Oz just killed me there 🤣How did I not notice that??
One set of female armour that I find intriguing for barbarian style which actually display a its uses and could fit well in a fantasy setting is Guinevere's leather armour in the 2004's King Arthur movie. That movie has, in fact, quite a good look on fantasy-like (or mix-match of styles) in armours and display the actors moving on horse, on foot and fight in said armour.
I appreciate Shad is keeping the historical context in mind since we're talking about realism. Remembering things like the legs not being protected isn't a valid criticism, because in reality people wore the armor they could find and actually afford, and it was very rarely full plate. That would be like someone in the year 3,000 criticizing a work of fiction because a character took a bus instead of just driving to their destination at 100mph in a 200k dollar sports car, simply because such cars exist. It's meant to be stylized and definitely sexy, yes, but people who don't know what they're actually talking about throw around too many invalid critiques because they don't have the emotional honesty to just say what they are really thinking.
Although... the women who are wearing these armours clearly didn't cobble together whatever they could afford / find - they are all clearly designed and tailored as a complete asthetic. So, beyond suspension of disbelief for fantasy that argument doesn't really work as a rationalization... these women are clearly wearing what they desired to wear rather than simply what they could get.
@@Chinaboatman : Hmmm, your thinking is in direct contradiction to actual historical use of armor by real troops. I believe you're getting confused by the idea of "cobbling together armor," which isn't what's being discussed here. No one's talking about finding scrap pieces of metal and taping them onto the body for protection. It's about the real historical practice of acquiring proper pieces of armor that you can still afford. A breastplate cost a significant amount of money, and it was purchasable as a single piece. You could still commission it as you wanted it, or find an already existing one as you wanted it. But just because you could afford that, doesn't mean you could afford triple that to get full plate. The same way a person now can buy a used car that's still what they want, instead of cobbling together a car from spare parts they weld together from the junkyard, but not be able to afford a new sports car.
@@itsallfunandgames723 Yes and no, depending on each artwork. Some of these fit what you're saying, and it's certainly a valid point that should be considered. But the general majority of the examples here are demonstrably extravagant and excessive even, in terms of artistic design, surplus material or decorative shaping, or expensive accompanying cloth/accessories. Many of these characters are seemingly paying ten times the sensible rate on an artesian golden trim breastplate and gigantic sculpted pauldrons, whilst forgoing other armour, rather than purchasing an equally protective and more sensible breastplate, along with a more complete set.
In historical usage, you didn't see soldiers marching to battle with a Kings grandiose breastplate and bare legs. Obviously this is a little difficult to fully quantify in a fantasy setting, where craftsmanship and metal working prowess tends to reach unearthly heights, on a strangely casual basis. So to apply this point accurately, it needs to be measured against each individual artwork AND the implied technology/economics of the setting.
12:36 - even more historically authentic... showing picture of armored high heels.
You gotta love how Shad is truly focused on topic, and topic is boobies.
High heels were a thing with armor…
The men found them very useful with stirrups.
@@allangibson2408 surely not that high though
If Jill Bearup was there we would have talked a lot more about the heels.
Having some slight heel and having stilettos is totally different…
@@eh6578 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-heeled_shoe
30cm was common in the 1400’s…
Not exactly short.
Reminds me of one of the Terry Pratched books set in the Discworld. A description of Vimes of the guard, he had body sculptured armour. Along with the typical 6 pack abs. He fitted it well, not so much as he was shaped like that but more his body flowed into it like jelly filling a mould :)
Claudia fits in so well. 🤣 "THANK YOU FOR THE CONTRIBUTION!" "YOU'RE WELCOME!"
A truly noble cause, for a noble soul. Bless you my son 🙏
19:50 the thing about calling women kings is legit. That's what happened in Poland with Jadwiga (Hedwig) and with Maria of Anjou in Hungary. I'm not sure why it was like that with the latter, but in case of Jadwiga in Poland it was a huge deal that she was the king and not the queen, because in the then functioning legal system a queen could not be a sovereign, but only a spouse of a sovereign. But since there was no male heir to the throne, she was crowned king. And it was a huge deal that she was the king, not the queen - her husband was not the king for until much later after she died and he took over the throne. I am guessing the Hungarian one must have been a similar story. That being said, both are colloquially called queen because linguistically it's just so awkward to call a woman a king. But that's kind of a thing like tomato being called a vegetable instead of a fruit. It's easier to process for the mind and people usually refer to it that way, but that's not what it technically is.
Queen essentially just meant "wife of ruler," so if you were a woman and wanted to be the ruler in your own right, it makes sense to use the title that actually means a ruler. It'd be a way to distinguish who has the power and who is the consort.
@@michaelhenry3234 What about the terms "Queen regent" or "queen regnant"?
@@Tyarrk I'm not sure when the term "queen regnant" was first used. It does mean a female ruler ruling in her own right, yes. But we do know that the word "queen" (or cwen) was derived from the word for wife. So a queen regnant would not have made sense back then. English is notable, however, for being one of the only Indo-European languages to have a word for the female ruler that is not the feminine form of the word for king. At some point, queen transitioned from being a general word for wife into being a title (still wife of the king). Then at some point after that, I presume, matters of succession caused people to seek legitimacy for female rulers and so the word, already used as a title, began to also be considered a word for female ruler in some contexts. Remember, though, that this is just English. I doubt "queen regnant" was a term in Hungary.
Queen regent isn't so much ruler as it's "wife acting as ruler on behalf of her husband or son."
@@michaelhenry3234 yeah, that makes sense. Thank you.
@@Tyarrk It's kind of like the president and first lady. First lady doesn't signify any official political position, it just means the wife of the president. The modern usage of the word queen is like if at some point in the future people began using "First Lady" as the title of female presidents, rather than "Madam President." Another example is Mr. and Mrs. We use the term "Madam President" instead of "Mrs. President" because Mrs. is a signifier of married status, whereas the male counterpart to Mrs. is not, so we say Mr. President.
This kind of power dynamic between male and female titles exists everywhere when you look for it. The female version of the male title carries no power or lacks respect in some way. Like courtier and courtesan, one is a noble at court, the other came to mean prostitute. Master and mistress, one is a position of power, the other is a side piece.
The chemistry between Shad and Oz is hilarious. I'm can just see you two in a reimagining of the old Basil Rathbone & Nigel Bruce Sherlock Holmes movies with Shad as Holmes and Oz as Watson. I know Shad is more into ancient stuff, but I would love to see him do Victorian like getting a lesson in how to defend himself using bartitsu/baritsu while dressed in period street clothing. BTW the BartisuSociety channel has a video ( v=HAVyBQxo4yk ) of a film from 1912 demonstrating jiujitsu techniques that I'm sure you would enjoy.
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In order to validate the claims of boob armor being larger to simply give off a false appearance, I too have done science. I have looked at the same art, but without any armor on at all.
You guys are hilarious, especially with this fine, objective scientific research. Of course I am not offended and feel sorry for anyone who is. I do want to insert my opinion into your scoring protocols: any fighting armor with stiletto heels is an automatic nope. Walking with those over mud, ice, uneven terrain, or body parts would be impossible, let alone staying balanced during combat. Or for that matter walking any distance. The high heels alone make the armor nonfunctional. Likewise, any boob armor exposing the neck and cleavage is a nope - might as well paint targets for beheading and heart strike. Exposing the legs, especially the upper legs, is also I nviting fatality. This is assuming the model will be in a fight with edged weapons. Everything but the high heels would be fine in a pillow fight.
Thanks for the laughs!
Exposed upper legs isn't too much of a problem though. Look at the Romans and Greeks as prime examples of no armour whatsoever on the upper legs. They had large shields to compensate for that though. So if one is to go without armour on the thighs you're definitely going to want a shield to compensate.
You know there is fantasy, so heel-boots could be just enchantet for some king of sure-steps magic
But it's also impractical and unrealistic to have everyone fully protected. Armor is expensive and not everyone would have the money to cover everything. Sometimes its beneficial to sacrifice protection just to get more people in the army. During the Republican Roman period the poorest infantry soldiers only had a shield, a helmet, and a small metal plate covering their chest. And there is of course the cultural aspect. Some people fought naked in history. Everything depends on the context and the setting.
Topic was probably the most fun to "research" in a while
18:44 Oz: They do that at rock conserts now!
I just lost it with the look on Oz's face.
“You know, I’m something of a scientist myself” -Norman Osborn
It's good you are keeping folks "abreast" of armour history , I feel like I can talk about it without like like a "tit"
dude, Not cool.
Is your spirit guide Sid James?
There are the ones I recognized and who I think the artists are.
Brad Rigney 18:50
Miguel coimbra 17:00
Xu Yang 30:00
Sungryun Park
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cheers!
@@shadiversity/videosseems my reply was deleted for some reason.
Major search engines have search by image function and some websites (e.g. TinEye) that specialize in this. Also there are browser extensions that add a context menu to quickly search by image in different search engines.
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that gave me a hearty laugh, excellent comedic timing, bravo!
Total Conan O'Brien moment there! And with the hair, too!
Shad, thank you so much for sacrificing yourself like this for science. Truly a man of the people.
A female armor desing challenge, like the weapon design contest Skallagrim made, might be a fun idea for a video. Basically a bunch of us come up with an armor design, draw/render it, and send it in, than it is judge based on practicality and aesthetic
Make the sexiest armor possible while compromising the smallest amount of physical protection? I'd love to participate in a contest like that. It'd be really fun. I even have an idea of how to imply cleavage while leaving the armor entirely protected.
Another catagory of 'decorative' might have been in order. Just look at the funny hats of the queens guard in England. Ceremonial pieces are often impractical.
26:58 the heels
character design is a hobby of mine and i was curious one day so i decided to test how easy or difficult it was to move in various types heels, those ones in particular put A LOT of strain on the Achilles tendon. Granted, i certainly wasn't used to it AT ALL but it was still quite painful
i'm pretty sure ALL of my weight was being supported by the tendon, wedges of the same height were surprisingly comfortable though
edit: just throwing this out there for any who aren't aware, wearing heels of any kind too often can actually shorten the Achilles tendon
I noticed that when I broke my heel and was too much of a man (or idiot, either works) to go to the hospital, and just walked around on my toes with that foot for months.
Took quite a while and a bit of stretching to get that achilles tendon back to it's original length.
@@The_Friendly_Fire Most people would notice it in their daily lives if they only thought about it. When crouching, can you crouch on flat foot?! Most adults in Europe and America cannot. Almost no woman that constantly wears heels can. Most can only crouch on their foots front, exactly because their tendons are shortened.
And it has nothing to do with being an adult. There's an entire culture that promotes crouching a lot, and most of that is done flat-footed...cause it's more comfortable and can be done for hours on end. It's a shame I don't remember that name of the place.
Please do a video on magic systems from different franchises, like DND, Full Metal Alchemist, and The Owl House
Thank you for extending the scope of scientific investigation regarding boob armor. Very informative and entertaining. I love your library and statuary in the background.
"I am somewhat of the unofficial patron saint of boob armour" -Shad M Brooks 2022 😂😂😂
When I first saw women in armor i thought, "so she's a warrior too? Cool! Everyone needs armor if they're a warrior" then omce I grew up i still thought that way even when playing games and I realised that different types of armor in games do seem more effective than others.
When I first saw bikini armor I thought it was just a bikini made with metallic fibers that was enchanted by magic, turns out it wasn't magic and I had previously learned that sex sells and I just used that logic, when I played other games I began noticing how female characters tend to have some hysterical accuracy for how their class dresses.
Example: female ninja dressing in skimpy clothes or in seductive ways im an effort to try and distracted the man with their *assets* this makes armor seem useless unless its applied in the sense of functionality, so they would use it in a way they could still be seductive.
Aren't man seductive as well? Why don't they also use impossibly tight suits to distract other men (and women, who exist in this battlefield), if this "distraction" is so effective?
What if they find another woman (that isn't attracted to them) in the battlefield, then it will just be useless, will it not?
Idk man, Hitler could be the sexiest woman in the world, the things she/he did/ordered other people to do are pretty fucked up and if we were in a room alone I would STILL beat her up. If someone's ideals are so incredibly opposite to yours, doesn't matter how sexy they are, I will still disagree with them (and in a battle, fight for my life against them)
For the angel, I think there's some justification, assuming that she's fighting other flying beings and is flying with her body parallel to the ground. She'd be in trouble if her enemies were to come at her from above or below, but if she's facing them head-on, then she really would only need armor on the upper body, the arms, and the top of the head (the last of which is conspicuously lacking).
31:35 I think Oz is right on this being a body-painted naked lady. You can see her belly button, whereas with skin-tight suits (even fantastical/sci-fi ones) you generally don't see those types of features. Seeing the nipple and at least the hinting of crotch-detail (in the image I think it's just the strapping of the suit lending itself to the illusion) would not be things put on display by a protective skintight suit.
This brings up an interesting point about the dichotomy of protection versus display. If there were means other than worn armor to protect oneself (spells, super abilities, sci-fi technology, etc) would one necessarily forgo protective clothing in favor of more flattering non-armor display? We sort of see this with armor and armament in the real-world setting with the advent of ballistics weapons and in the modern era we've also got ballistics-resistent clothing in addition to the ballistics vests and body armor.
Impossible skin-tight armor that can show all the details can all be excused by fantasy and sci-fi, and thank goodness for that. 👀
Also not out of place in anime at all.