Mirrors my exact experience with the T32s on a R1200GS, absolutely loved them, they gave total confidence wet and dry. Whilst I do ride with a loaded top box all the time, and sometimes panniers, the tire wear was terrible - circa 5k and both were done. The point about the front wearing on the sides is also very accurate. Whilst I still had total confidence in the handling, the wear on the front sides was deep and almost felt like a ripple in and out when you run your hands over it. Great review, thanks
I'm very surprised with your assessment of the Pirelli Angel GT2. I used it for 10,000 miles/ 16,000 miles in the UK, used it to tour Wales and France Vosges region with constant rain and they were excellent in the wet throughout. I'm now on Michelin Road 6 and they're very comparable in both dry and wet performance.
So I became a huge Conti fan! I live in Scotland so tires that warm up fast are always preferred. I found out conti sport attack 3 and fell in love with the feedback and incredibly fast warm up. Then I went through 2 pairs of sport attack 4’s. Used some other brands meanwhile on my S1000R and ended up trying Michelin road 5’s which gave great mileage but 0 feedback. Currently on Race attack 2’a street and one track day but planing on next to try the road attacks
Great video. Any experience with the Metzeler M7 or M9? Definitely are interesting tires and not as weak a performer as the roadtec01se’s. I’d love to hear your thoughts. ✌️
@@PartyChicken407 Sorry, we haven't used the M7 or M9, but we will be switching to sport tires instead of sport touring tires next. Perhaps the M9 is a good suggestion. Thanks for your comment.
Yeah I use to ride metzeller M7 on my 636, really good feedback and performance on dry and wet. Tried to ride a bit off-road and it grips well(do not try haha). The tire warms up pretty quickly (not as fast as the power rs) and tips in really well. but the Metzeler sportec m7rr were def the best I had on 636. tried s21's and didn't like it, because it's more stable and needed more weight to tip in the bike. the M7 were really reliable and have above average durability for a sport tire. after it wears off you feel the grooves from the worn-out tire, but best performing tire even in the winter with snow. never tried the M9. might go with m9rr or the gp2 for a spin
@@judawikana3329 not only do I love my m9s, but I consistently get complimented on them for how much grip they have and how good they feel. I have tried. We’re really, really good too.
just thinking about GT or not GT, my bike 207kg (by google), me with all leathers and other stuff 110-115kg, so total around 320kg, should i go for GT or its ok with usual? i had road 6 GT, got 10 000km, and not GT 8000km, now soon will be putting new tires, got metzeler roadtec 02
In my opinion, the GT or not GT should consider the weight ,and this weight should include bike ,rider(s) ,luggage and anything that you'll put on your bike. So judging your situation, I think that GT version may be a better choice for you. By the way, it seems that there's no GT version for Roadtec 02 ?
@@NinjaBrosstudio no, there's no GT version, just checked road 6 and road 6 GT have same load rating 58 front and 75 rear, so that's confusing, the only difference i know after wearing road 6 gt and non gt to the last threads shows up, so GT have metal threads
@@WestCorkLife There’s a HWM version for Roadtec 01 which also has the same loading index as the standard version of Roadtec 01 ( F:58, R:75), in fact, sport touring tires for all brand have the same loading index on both non-GT and GT versions as I know (e.g. Bridgestone T32 (GT), ContiRoadAttack 4(GT) ). Loading index is not the indicator for GT or non-GT version because they are all the same on same size tires from my observation.
where do you get these milage figures from ! the best tyre out of these is the road 6 im on my 2nd set and i have managed 6000 miles and they are bald as a coot ! the conti road attack i got just over 5000 miles ! which was the same as the Roadsmarts i had hence why i never bought a 2nd set of these, The Angel GT i got less than 5k and they were not the best in the wet, Roadtecs were ok but again milage was crap at 5500 mile and they were in the skip, i find the Road 5 and 6 give me best milage and thats why thats all i have used the last 4 years, i do 15-20k Miles a year every year and have done since the 80's and still do to this day, iv had my KTM 790 Duke the last 2 years and before that all KTM's 690,890,950,990,1290 using the above tyres all apart from the Bridgestone tyre and i ride my bikes pretty hard, deffo the road 5 and 6 are the best tyre i have ever had and will stick to them and they also give me the best milage of any tyre i have ever had but the milages you say you get NOT A CHANCE, i assume to get these milages you sit on a motorway all day every day and never hit the red line !
I don't know how you get that sort of mileage, I have a Ninja 1000sx and I swear by Dunlop's RSIV but I don't get more than 7500-8000 km on the rear tire a bit more upfront. The Bridgestone OEM's S22 it had from the dealer didn't even last 3000 kms
the S22 is a sports compound tyre so 3k is about right the Road 6 are a different beast as in touring tyre but saying that I ride a H2sxse with Road 6 and love them the only time I felt a slid was in rain going around a roundabout at some speed, so I think I asked to much but shows how confidents they give. to put it into prospective my old bike ZX12R I used s21's as they was ace great grip to the edge of the tyre wall but like you said 3000 miles was a lot to ask out the rear and 4000 miles out of the front. I would recommend Road 6's for sure and I've got 48 and 45 lean angle on the H2SXse left and right I had to remove the foot peg slide bolt LOL
@@Tainted-Soul In my original post I forgot to mention that I've stuck to the Dunlop's RSIVs, not only because I find their grip level very confidence-inspiring, but also because I found, surprisingly, that they noticeably improved the bike's handling compared to the S22s. I don't know whether this is however connected to the fact that the S22s were the ones the bike came fitted with from the dealer, maybe their quality and performances is inferior to aftermarket S22s.
I’m looking for a tire that performs well in mostly hot and humid weather, on erratic city streets where roads can be newly paved or older roads that have lots of deep and shallow curvy ruts, some potholes and uneven surfaces, while handling wet weather with good wet evacuation, and does well with aggressive riding when I do encounter good pavement. The streets where I live can go from great to poor in an instant, (same with sun and rain), and it’s a problem. The Road 6, Metzeler MR 99 or the Bridgestone S23 have caught my eye. Anyone with the same type of conditions have a recommendation? I’m looking for the best of both worlds, grip on good roads on hot sunny days, and grip on wet roads that are old and have a lot go ruts.
@@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony The environment you described is pretty complex and includes a lot of conditions that might conflict with each other. You might want to consider trying out adventure tires that are 10～30% off-road. For example, you can get Michelin ANAKEE series、Bridgestone A series ( such as A41、AT41、AX41S、AX41 ) 、PIRELLI Scorpion series、Continental Contitrail Attack series. In my experience, I’ve ridden V-STROM 650 with A40 on it, tires performed well on both dry and wet conditions.
GT versions from my understanding are reinforced on sidewalls... no difference in rubber matrix / compound. Hence you should not get improved mileage using a gt version. On our 1000sx, you may have a less comforting ride than the using the correct non GT version.
@@NinjaBrosstudio The Michelin is one of the only one's offered in "GT" and non GT version. I do hear the Roadsmart 4 may be offered in GT version in Europe, but in the US you can run them on any bike. So there should be no gain in mileage. RS4 for the price, performance and mileage is head and shoulders above the rest for me. Take away the price and they're all the same. But they are 20 percent or more cheaper. Dunlop very aggressive with rebates here in the US!
@@EvMc305 There’s T32 GT, ContiroadAttack 4 GT, Road 6 GT. Different tire manufacturers might have varying designs for their GT versions, so I don’t think it’s fair to generalize whether they’re the same design or not. Using a GT version ensures the tires can meet the total weight of the vehicle, which helps prevent deformation. Theoretically, since the tires are less prone to deforming, you should get a longer lifespan out of them. That’s why I believe the choice between using a GT or a non-GT version should depend on weight, so there’s no absolutely correct answer for using GT or not. I’ve covered more details in my video, so maybe give it another thorough watch. Thanks!
@@NinjaBrosstudio The manufacturers like Michelin offer higher load rating through the sidewall hence the GT version. They offer weight specs and our 1000sx is not within that spec. Some use it, like it, some don't because it affects the ride quality. But Michelin states a NON GT version is the incorrect tire for a number of touring bikes, 1000sx NOT being one of them. If the non GT Road "deforms" on the 1000sx there's a serious flaw design or the engineers are wrong with their weight requirements. But Mileage is not really dependent on side wall construction.
@@EvMc305 What you said about the loading index is wrong. Instead of attacking me, you should do your research. Also, your understanding of the structure of the Michelin ROAD 6 GT tires is incorrect, so you should check the official information to see how it differs from the ROAD 6. Lastly, the manufacturer never said the Ninja 1000SX can't use ROAD 6 GT tires-that’s just your assumption and misunderstanding. I’ve already mentioned that whether or not to use the GT version should depend on the total weight of your vehicle while riding, not a hard 'yes' or 'no.' If your bike's total weight while riding is lighter, of course, you can use the ROAD 6 on your Ninja 1000SX. My weight isn't light, so I use the ROAD 6 GT. You're being arrogant and rude.
when everybody else says Pirelli Angel GT II tyre are INCREDIBLE on wet, you say they are s..t on wet - I cannot belive such contradictions are possible so for sure someone is not saying the truth
I agree, the Roadtec 01 and 01SE have been recommended as the best Sport Touring tyres available in the Uk for the past 4 years, and especially praised for their wet grip. Yet these guys say they are poor in the wet, something which I find hard to understand given my on experience of the Roadtecs over the past 40,000kms, which is that they are fantastic in the wet.
There is only one choice to make. Do you need a sports tyre for extra grip and less mileage or do you need a sports touring tyre for good grip and longer mileage. All the leading brands make very good tyres for both purposes. I have used most brands with confidence and it all boils down to you and your bike and the riding you are doing. Tyre pressure is very important, you must check the pressure every week, or every time you go out, if you are between rides , like two or three weeks. On heavy bikes like my FJR Yamaha, it is very important important, because low pressure distorts the tyre a lot. I currently have Angel gt twos on the FJR and they are very good, I have gone for the extra grip. For touring I would use a sports touring tyre. All the leading brands are good. I have been riding for over fifty years and still have three bikes. Harley lowrider 1340 ,91 year model, with 105, 000 khs, FJ 1100, 85 model, 150,000 khs, and my FJR 1300 , with just 40,000 khs. I road around Australia in sixteen days on the FJR to run it in , using Michelin sports touring tyres. 15,885 khs, I took a few short cuts. The tyres were excellent. I am now using Pirelli tyres on all three bikes to see how they perform and so far I am very happy. So good luck to you all with your riding and don't be afraid to try different brands. Always stick with the same tyre if you can, when replacing a worn rear, but don't fret to much if you can't, just run it in properly. I hope these tips will come in handy.
Mirrors my exact experience with the T32s on a R1200GS, absolutely loved them, they gave total confidence wet and dry. Whilst I do ride with a loaded top box all the time, and sometimes panniers, the tire wear was terrible - circa 5k and both were done.
The point about the front wearing on the sides is also very accurate. Whilst I still had total confidence in the handling, the wear on the front sides was deep and almost felt like a ripple in and out when you run your hands over it.
Great review, thanks
@@RichardCleasby-y1d Thanks your feedback and comment！
Excellent video! Thank you!
Great review. Thanks
@@slickwilly537 😎
I'm very surprised with your assessment of the Pirelli Angel GT2. I used it for 10,000 miles/ 16,000 miles in the UK, used it to tour Wales and France Vosges region with constant rain and they were excellent in the wet throughout.
I'm now on Michelin Road 6 and they're very comparable in both dry and wet performance.
So the questions is: Which of these tires would you choose out al of the tires you tested so far and what is a close second place?
So I became a huge Conti fan! I live in Scotland so tires that warm up fast are always preferred. I found out conti sport attack 3 and fell in love with the feedback and incredibly fast warm up. Then I went through 2 pairs of sport attack 4’s. Used some other brands meanwhile on my S1000R and ended up trying Michelin road 5’s which gave great mileage but 0 feedback. Currently on Race attack 2’a street and one track day but planing on next to try the road attacks
Great video. Any experience with the Metzeler M7 or M9? Definitely are interesting tires and not as weak a performer as the roadtec01se’s.
I’d love to hear your thoughts. ✌️
@@PartyChicken407 Sorry, we haven't used the M7 or M9, but we will be switching to sport tires instead of sport touring tires next. Perhaps the M9 is a good suggestion. Thanks for your comment.
Yeah I use to ride metzeller M7 on my 636, really good feedback and performance on dry and wet. Tried to ride a bit off-road and it grips well(do not try haha). The tire warms up pretty quickly (not as fast as the power rs) and tips in really well. but the Metzeler sportec m7rr were def the best I had on 636. tried s21's and didn't like it, because it's more stable and needed more weight to tip in the bike. the M7 were really reliable and have above average durability for a sport tire. after it wears off you feel the grooves from the worn-out tire, but best performing tire even in the winter with snow. never tried the M9. might go with m9rr or the gp2 for a spin
@@judawikana3329 not only do I love my m9s, but I consistently get complimented on them for how much grip they have and how good they feel. I have tried. We’re really, really good too.
In belgium the 1000sx comes with the s22/s23.
Any conclusions or comparisons with that tire?
I like this tire on my 2022 sx.
@@johnnydecooman3340 Actually I didn't really satisfied with the OEM tire S22, but I haven't used S23 yet.
be careful OE tyres are often not the same as the same model of tyre bought in the aftermarket, the aftermarket tyre is usually better.
I couldn't wait to get rid of the OEM S21 on my 2018 Ninja 1000SX, it was awful in the wet.
Such an high quality in information video. Even when its made with AI.
Thanks 😊
Angel GT2 not good in WET?
@@peteryoomla156 In my opinion, it is relatively.
Bike plus rider is 340kilos? Should i get the road 6 gt?
@@carlocarlos4321 I think it's ok.
just thinking about GT or not GT, my bike 207kg (by google), me with all leathers and other stuff 110-115kg, so total around 320kg, should i go for GT or its ok with usual? i had road 6 GT, got 10 000km, and not GT 8000km, now soon will be putting new tires, got metzeler roadtec 02
In my opinion, the GT or not GT should consider the weight ,and this weight should include bike ,rider(s) ,luggage and anything that you'll put on your bike. So judging your situation, I think that GT version may be a better choice for you.
By the way, it seems that there's no GT version for Roadtec 02 ?
@@NinjaBrosstudio no, there's no GT version, just checked road 6 and road 6 GT have same load rating 58 front and 75 rear, so that's confusing, the only difference i know after wearing road 6 gt and non gt to the last threads shows up, so GT have metal threads
@@WestCorkLife There’s a HWM version for Roadtec 01 which also has the same loading index as the standard version of Roadtec 01 ( F:58, R:75), in fact, sport touring tires for all brand have the same loading index on both non-GT and GT versions as I know (e.g. Bridgestone T32 (GT), ContiRoadAttack 4(GT) ). Loading index is not the indicator for GT or non-GT version because they are all the same on same size tires from my observation.
where do you get these milage figures from ! the best tyre out of these is the road 6 im on my 2nd set and i have managed 6000 miles and they are bald as a coot ! the conti road attack i got just over 5000 miles ! which was the same as the Roadsmarts i had hence why i never bought a 2nd set of these, The Angel GT i got less than 5k and they were not the best in the wet, Roadtecs were ok but again milage was crap at 5500 mile and they were in the skip, i find the Road 5 and 6 give me best milage and thats why thats all i have used the last 4 years, i do 15-20k Miles a year every year and have done since the 80's and still do to this day, iv had my KTM 790 Duke the last 2 years and before that all KTM's 690,890,950,990,1290 using the above tyres all apart from the Bridgestone tyre and i ride my bikes pretty hard, deffo the road 5 and 6 are the best tyre i have ever had and will stick to them and they also give me the best milage of any tyre i have ever had but the milages you say you get NOT A CHANCE, i assume to get these milages you sit on a motorway all day every day and never hit the red line !
I ve got 5500 miles on Michelin Power 5 , and still got at least 1500 miles left, so on the road 6 you should get a lot more...
I got 10,000 miles from my Pirelli Angel GT 2 and am usually on UK B roads. Different riding styles can account for the difference in mileage.
I don't know how you get that sort of mileage, I have a Ninja 1000sx and I swear by Dunlop's RSIV but I don't get more than 7500-8000 km on the rear tire a bit more upfront. The Bridgestone OEM's S22 it had from the dealer didn't even last 3000 kms
@@carlosalonso9866 Maybe…it depends on riding habits.
the S22 is a sports compound tyre so 3k is about right the Road 6 are a different beast as in touring tyre but saying that I ride a H2sxse with Road 6 and love them the only time I felt a slid was in rain going around a roundabout at some speed, so I think I asked to much but shows how confidents they give.
to put it into prospective my old bike ZX12R I used s21's as they was ace great grip to the edge of the tyre wall but like you said 3000 miles was a lot to ask out the rear and 4000 miles out of the front. I would recommend Road 6's for sure and I've got 48 and 45 lean angle on the H2SXse left and right I had to remove the foot peg slide bolt LOL
@@Tainted-Soul In my original post I forgot to mention that I've stuck to the Dunlop's RSIVs, not only because I find their grip level very confidence-inspiring, but also because I found, surprisingly, that they noticeably improved the bike's handling compared to the S22s. I don't know whether this is however connected to the fact that the S22s were the ones the bike came fitted with from the dealer, maybe their quality and performances is inferior to aftermarket S22s.
Im trying Metzler RoadTech 02 tyres on an XR 1000
@@specialandroid1603 I look forward to you sharing your insights.
Any comments / mileage?
@Hpro1i Haven't done enough miles on them yet but they seem to be good in the wet.
I’m looking for a tire that performs well in mostly hot and humid weather, on erratic city streets where roads can be newly paved or older roads that have lots of deep and shallow curvy ruts, some potholes and uneven surfaces, while handling wet weather with good wet evacuation, and does well with aggressive riding when I do encounter good pavement. The streets where I live can go from great to poor in an instant, (same with sun and rain), and it’s a problem. The Road 6, Metzeler MR 99 or the Bridgestone S23 have caught my eye. Anyone with the same type of conditions have a recommendation? I’m looking for the best of both worlds, grip on good roads on hot sunny days, and grip on wet roads that are old and have a lot go ruts.
@@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony The environment you described is pretty complex and includes a lot of conditions that might conflict with each other. You might want to consider trying out adventure tires that are 10～30% off-road.
For example, you can get Michelin ANAKEE series、Bridgestone A series ( such as A41、AT41、AX41S、AX41 ) 、PIRELLI Scorpion series、Continental Contitrail Attack series.
In my experience, I’ve ridden V-STROM 650 with A40 on it, tires performed well on both dry and wet conditions.
@@NinjaBrosstudioThanks for the response. I’m purchasing next week so I’ll let you know what I decided.
aren't we all!
GT versions from my understanding are reinforced on sidewalls... no difference in rubber matrix / compound. Hence you should not get improved mileage using a gt version. On our 1000sx, you may have a less comforting ride than the using the correct non GT version.
@@EvMc305 Uh……
Which tire’s GT version ?
@@NinjaBrosstudio The Michelin is one of the only one's offered in "GT" and non GT version. I do hear the Roadsmart 4 may be offered in GT version in Europe, but in the US you can run them on any bike.
So there should be no gain in mileage.
RS4 for the price, performance and mileage is head and shoulders above the rest for me. Take away the price and they're all the same. But they are 20 percent or more cheaper. Dunlop very aggressive with rebates here in the US!
@@EvMc305 There’s T32 GT, ContiroadAttack 4 GT, Road 6 GT.
Different tire manufacturers might have varying designs for their GT versions, so I don’t think it’s fair to generalize whether they’re the same design or not.
Using a GT version ensures the tires can meet the total weight of the vehicle, which helps prevent deformation. Theoretically, since the tires are less prone to deforming, you should get a longer lifespan out of them. That’s why I believe the choice between using a GT or a non-GT version should depend on weight, so there’s no absolutely correct answer for using GT or not. I’ve covered more details in my video, so maybe give it another thorough watch. Thanks!
@@NinjaBrosstudio The manufacturers like Michelin offer higher load rating through the sidewall hence the GT version. They offer weight specs and our 1000sx is not within that spec. Some use it, like it, some don't because it affects the ride quality. But Michelin states a NON GT version is the incorrect tire for a number of touring bikes, 1000sx NOT being one of them. If the non GT Road "deforms" on the 1000sx there's a serious flaw design or the engineers are wrong with their weight requirements. But Mileage is not really dependent on side wall construction.
@@EvMc305 What you said about the loading index is wrong. Instead of attacking me, you should do your research. Also, your understanding of the structure of the Michelin ROAD 6 GT tires is incorrect, so you should check the official information to see how it differs from the ROAD 6. Lastly, the manufacturer never said the Ninja 1000SX can't use ROAD 6 GT tires-that’s just your assumption and misunderstanding. I’ve already mentioned that whether or not to use the GT version should depend on the total weight of your vehicle while riding, not a hard 'yes' or 'no.' If your bike's total weight while riding is lighter, of course, you can use the ROAD 6 on your Ninja 1000SX. My weight isn't light, so I use the ROAD 6 GT. You're being arrogant and rude.
I have the road 6 on my 1250 gsa. No need for the gt for road riding in my opinion. Michelin don't recommend the gt for my bike.
@@Simon-fm8yc It’s because Michelin doesn’t provide Road 6 GT for 120/70-19 and 170/60-17 on R1250GS Adventure, you can only get Road 6.
when everybody else says Pirelli Angel GT II tyre are INCREDIBLE on wet, you say they are s..t on wet - I cannot belive such contradictions are possible so for sure someone is not saying the truth
@@zyghom So...which one do you think is truth ?
@@NinjaBrosstudio ;-)
I agree, the Roadtec 01 and 01SE have been recommended as the best Sport Touring tyres available in the Uk for the past 4 years, and especially praised for their wet grip. Yet these guys say they are poor in the wet, something which I find hard to understand given my on experience of the Roadtecs over the past 40,000kms, which is that they are fantastic in the wet.
There is only one choice to make. Do you need a sports tyre for extra grip and less mileage or do you need a sports touring tyre for good grip and longer mileage. All the leading brands make very good tyres for both purposes. I have used most brands with confidence and it all boils down to you and your bike and the riding you are doing. Tyre pressure is very important, you must check the pressure every week, or every time you go out, if you are between rides , like two or three weeks. On heavy bikes like my FJR Yamaha, it is very important important, because low pressure distorts the tyre a lot. I currently have Angel gt twos on the FJR and they are very good, I have gone for the extra grip. For touring I would use a sports touring tyre. All the leading brands are good. I have been riding for over fifty years and still have three bikes. Harley lowrider 1340 ,91 year model, with 105, 000 khs, FJ 1100, 85 model, 150,000 khs, and my FJR 1300 , with just 40,000 khs. I road around Australia in sixteen days on the FJR to run it in , using Michelin sports touring tyres. 15,885 khs, I took a few short cuts. The tyres were excellent. I am now using Pirelli tyres on all three bikes to see how they perform and so far I am very happy. So good luck to you all with your riding and don't be afraid to try different brands. Always stick with the same tyre if you can, when replacing a worn rear, but don't fret to much if you can't, just run it in properly. I hope these tips will come in handy.
What is a khs? Do you have many special units in Australia?