The ultimate slap in the face- Mages, who get hit from talents, hit from tons of gear, hit from ZG enchants.... get more hit on their legendary. Warlocks, who are starved for hit and want it more than almost anything else, get crit. Feelswarlockman.
I'm imagining 'Feelswarlockman' as a sad pepo with fel horns and a bit of demonic essence ruminating from his eyes. Either that, or a sad pepo with a flopped over witches hat. 😂😂
Talking about why Sulfuras isn't viable in PvE, pointing out talents that a warrior only choose in PvP scenarios is really misinformative. The reason that it isn't very viable in PvE for a warrior, is because horde doesn't have a way to get 305+ in 2h mace skill and the fact that alliance doesn't have windfury.
@@brucesamuelson7337 Manual crowd pummeler is still like 35% more damage for a feral, and the druid aura is way worse than the other 3 versions. Sadly very few druids will get this staff.
Clearly don't understand the druid staff....yes, it does give feral attack power but it also give the druid +300 healing and gives their group 11 mp5. Probably the second best version of the staff behind priest...and you'd want to give it to them second for the buff synergies.
Hey Vaulty! really liked the video, but I think you missed a few things about Sulfuras, especially regarding its viability for pve warrior. The fact that it is a mace doesn't change a thing because as a pve warrior, if you use 2H weapons you will still use mainly the fury tree spec and not the arms tree ( arms warrior have no place in pve content ). So the fact that the mace spec isn't has good has the axe or sword spec doesn't change a thing in pve content since you won't get to that part of the talent tree. And, as a mace the human warrior can benefit for their +5 in mace / sword spec. Overall it's a great weapon for pve, about the same level regarding damage as the Dark Edge of Insanity from C'thun. It's only weakness in the early phase is that the fire damage proc won't do damage in MC & BWL where a lot of bosses have fire immunity.
I have both Ashkandi and Sulfuras and I can say Sulfuras is still better weapon for pvp for a warrior even with mace spec (has better top end damage tho), but the difference isnt that big.
When you say that the 300 nature damage is the biggest deal about TF, that's actually wrong. The big deal about it is the 200 raw threat (or ~300 with def stance and defiance) that the debuff actually provides. The damage of TF is good, but the threat of TF is absolutely massive. Just from white attacks, Assuming no haste, the proc alone does 79 TPS per enemy, assuming a 20% proc chance. If you go furyprot and get flurry, and also have WF, you're looking at an extra 140 TPS, JUST FROM AUTOS. (You're maybe not going to have 100% flurry uptime, but at the same time, you're going to be using abilities that can proc weapon effects every other second or so, which is another 75 TPS from the proc alone. If your guildies are bad and/or undergeared, you could keep threat off them even if you were unable to do physical damage.
bro the 300 damage is literally the threat... 1damage=1threat it does 300 damage to all mobs PLUS the threat ur already making thats why u make so much threat so when he said nature damage he was referring threat
Great video - I'd like to point out that Mace Spec is actually a 6% stun chance - I know, weird. Also worth noting for pvp - HoRs [very frequent] proc ignores armor and is extraordinarily good at dealing with plate, and of course the proc can crit as well. Those hamstrings can chunk when HoR and Maelstrom proc on a plate target!
Like. I get that Atiesh is great for Feral Druids because of the Feral AP. But it's also BiS for Healer Druids with the 11 MP5 and 300 HP. And given that that 11 MP5 is party wide, it's probably the most useful of the party effects given that it'll help the mana powered physical attacks of Shamans, Paladins and Hunters as well as all the casters in the game. I know it's still debatable which version is best, but just throwing out the Druids was in poor form in my opinion.
Atiesh is made when Naxx is on farm. You can give it to anyone who wants it/deserves it. Excluding druids at this point of the game is just plain rude. Item loot at phase 6 doesn't even matter. Just let everyone have w/e they want.
well no if ur ranking to 14 and cant spend 50g each week then u have to go arms and actually with WF u can actually do pretty damn close dps to a fury warr especially with something like a BRE and sword skill with a HOJ as they can both proc off eachother and at naxx arms is actually more dps then fury lol but f=ury does more in all opther 4 phases if u are comparing bis set ups
u can like get a 2.5k mortal strike then hoj procs then ur 5/5 sword skill procs then WF procs ahahaha imagine that ud go 0-100 rage instantly and hit like 10k ahaha
@@Az-rg8gk Arms is never better then fury for PvE in vanillla, even on short cleave fights fury is still better, doing pretty damn close dps to fury warriors = doing 1/2 the damage they do on single target.
@@DriftNick also when ur 5/5 sword spec and hoj proc with bre or other 2h weapon procs with the overall massive slow damage its just huge damage so yeah with that u can i just got a new warrior to 60 i got a bunch of mc gear on it and obsidian edge blade going for rank 11 on it so im arms and i actually beat most fury warriors in raid damage in alot of fights exept for the ones with alot of gear
another point, the proc on Thunderfury procs paladin seals. So... you double dip whenever it procs as a protection paladin. The threat generation is crazy good.
@@raze667 he knows his class so we have no issues on healing him and him being engi is just an added bonus his tps is fine and handles neck and neck compared to our TF warr
On my server back in 2006 Memento Mori got this staff on Shattered Hand EU before they migrated to Frostmane. Soulseeker is better for mages and locks then Atiesh is however this was standards for 2006 and today maybe we will see some greedy streamer have it as a Druid Lock or Mage. Splinters and base was always given to the guilds Priest Class leader back in the days even though only 2-3 Priests completed it before TBC hit
I am a human Prot. Warrior and I am looking for a video that has locations and items lists for +Hit rating gear for Classic. I know where to find weapon skill items I am looking for cheaper alternatives than the LionHeart Helm.
@@CeX360 That makes sense, he worded that pretty strangely. I actually think it would be pretty cool if Hand of Rag's stats and DPS increase to be in line with Might of Menithil and the like. They could add a drop in Naxx that starts a quest to empower it further. To keep Legendaries- legendary.
@matt fahringer cool! I wonder if that's the quest I'm on! 😃 I'm gonna kill 4 special demons and I NEED to do it alone or it won't work, I can't even use my pet, and I'm BM, haha 😂 The item that started the quest dropped from MC I think :)
@matt I'm actually done with it now :D Found some really good strategies for killing the demons on youtube :) Still need the Mature Black Dragon Sinew drop from Onyxia though to form the bow :P
The Original Captain Trips you did the right thing , if it’s too much for you then leave , the door is open, he can and will do the videos he wishes, regardless the content...great video vaulty keep at it
Did somebody say [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]?
Did somebody say dirge?
@@SoulHuN7eR But dirge was TBC, so that doesn't count yet ;)
Yet is the magic word my dear friend. ;)
@@SoulHuN7eR Can't deny that :)
Chuck Norris: "Oh, you found my tooth pick."
The ultimate slap in the face- Mages, who get hit from talents, hit from tons of gear, hit from ZG enchants.... get more hit on their legendary. Warlocks, who are starved for hit and want it more than almost anything else, get crit. Feelswarlockman.
I'm imagining 'Feelswarlockman' as a sad pepo with fel horns and a bit of demonic essence ruminating from his eyes.
Either that, or a sad pepo with a flopped over witches hat.
😂😂
Lack of hit gear is their only threat mitigation
Warloks are much more OP than mages so they shouldnt get anymore hit ;)
I saw a hunter take ashkandi from an arms warrior last night in our guild. It was uncomfortable to watch.
Talking about why Sulfuras isn't viable in PvE, pointing out talents that a warrior only choose in PvP scenarios is really misinformative.
The reason that it isn't very viable in PvE for a warrior, is because horde doesn't have a way to get 305+ in 2h mace skill and the fact that alliance doesn't have windfury.
Shaman master race
2:50 Asscandy*
imagine seeing the 420 attackpower on atiesh and not seeing the 300 healing 11 mp5 lul
Did you miss the healing on the druid version of Atiesh? +300
or the feral one with plus ap.
Yeah, even though feral drool over this... The way for a feral to get it is to claim it as a resto staff
@@brucesamuelson7337 LOLOLOL
@@brucesamuelson7337 Manual crowd pummeler is still like 35% more damage for a feral, and the druid aura is way worse than the other 3 versions. Sadly very few druids will get this staff.
@@MitchellEdelman pummeler is more damage, but you use atiesh when pummeler is on cd
the Google automatic close captions is so funny haha
Agreed
Imagine giving a paladin both Sulfuras and Thunderfury. Streamers are cancer.
just be a fat mexican and let people do it for you
his guild has 3 tanks with thunderfury, he got the 4th
Imagine your guild got the fourth set of bindings. the tanks all have one. who should u bother to farm the next 100 Arcane Crystals?
What a fucking cringy child you are. Esfand got the FOURTH TF in the guild. Also, he wrecks people with both of the weapons. He deserves both.
@@SynthhInHD well the only cringy idiot here is you bootlicking esfand tbh
Clearly don't understand the druid staff....yes, it does give feral attack power but it also give the druid +300 healing and gives their group 11 mp5. Probably the second best version of the staff behind priest...and you'd want to give it to them second for the buff synergies.
What kind of question is this. This dude makes videos literally just to make a video
Wrong. Resto Druids get Atiesh too!
I love my Sulfuras hammer with my Retri Pala.
Ashkandi is a hunter weapon
Sulfuras is the mainstay of our druid bear tank guildmaster...
Lol just like my guild's paladin taking a Bis 2h sword from warrior instead of HoR
Hey Vaulty! really liked the video, but I think you missed a few things about Sulfuras, especially regarding its viability for pve warrior. The fact that it is a mace doesn't change a thing because as a pve warrior, if you use 2H weapons you will still use mainly the fury tree spec and not the arms tree ( arms warrior have no place in pve content ). So the fact that the mace spec isn't has good has the axe or sword spec doesn't change a thing in pve content since you won't get to that part of the talent tree. And, as a mace the human warrior can benefit for their +5 in mace / sword spec. Overall it's a great weapon for pve, about the same level regarding damage as the Dark Edge of Insanity from C'thun. It's only weakness in the early phase is that the fire damage proc won't do damage in MC & BWL where a lot of bosses have fire immunity.
Great vid! Your content has improved drastically over time.
Facepalm.
I have both Ashkandi and Sulfuras and I can say Sulfuras is still better weapon for pvp for a warrior even with mace spec (has better top end damage tho), but the difference isnt that big.
So why not give the staff to a resto druid?
Exactly
@Patrick Bateman it's not a feral staff. It's a druid staff. It has both the feral AP and the plus healing.
Golter nator It’s kind of sad that you have to explain this lol. I’m not sure if Vaulty didn’t see the +300 heal and int/spirit stats xD
Ya this dude is an idiot lol
When you say that the 300 nature damage is the biggest deal about TF, that's actually wrong. The big deal about it is the 200 raw threat (or ~300 with def stance and defiance) that the debuff actually provides. The damage of TF is good, but the threat of TF is absolutely massive. Just from white attacks, Assuming no haste, the proc alone does 79 TPS per enemy, assuming a 20% proc chance. If you go furyprot and get flurry, and also have WF, you're looking at an extra 140 TPS, JUST FROM AUTOS. (You're maybe not going to have 100% flurry uptime, but at the same time, you're going to be using abilities that can proc weapon effects every other second or so, which is another 75 TPS from the proc alone.
If your guildies are bad and/or undergeared, you could keep threat off them even if you were unable to do physical damage.
bro the 300 damage is literally the threat... 1damage=1threat it does 300 damage to all mobs PLUS the threat ur already making thats why u make so much threat so when he said nature damage he was referring threat
@@Az-rg8gk its more, since tank generate more then a 1 to 1 ratio threat with def stance and talents + the debuff also generates threat
@@Az-rg8gk No, in adition to the damage, the debuff also causes threat on top of that.
Free hundred and fherdy free fireball damage
Great video - I'd like to point out that Mace Spec is actually a 6% stun chance - I know, weird. Also worth noting for pvp - HoRs [very frequent] proc ignores armor and is extraordinarily good at dealing with plate, and of course the proc can crit as well. Those hamstrings can chunk when HoR and Maelstrom proc on a plate target!
Did someone say funderfury?
Hey Vaulty, about mace talent, it gives 6% when u put all the 5 points on that talent.
My sulfuras slaps, but sometimes duel wield is better for single target
Like. I get that Atiesh is great for Feral Druids because of the Feral AP. But it's also BiS for Healer Druids with the 11 MP5 and 300 HP. And given that that 11 MP5 is party wide, it's probably the most useful of the party effects given that it'll help the mana powered physical attacks of Shamans, Paladins and Hunters as well as all the casters in the game. I know it's still debatable which version is best, but just throwing out the Druids was in poor form in my opinion.
Thing with thunderfury going to tanks tho is that the procc generates an insane ammount of threat to. so its basicly a dumbass threat creator.
Athies is basically Mage or Lock because you bareley ever build "Healer-Grps" to have maximum benefit from the Aura.
a little mistake at 8:26 - 2% spell hit, 2% spell hit ? - u mean 2% spell crit? ;-)
thunderfury is so strong thats been used in tbc...
bitch please, i used it as my main weapon until bfa in dungeons xD
Did anyone say fffondeffjuri?
Hahahaha
Actually mega lol hahahahaha
Atiesh is made when Naxx is on farm. You can give it to anyone who wants it/deserves it. Excluding druids at this point of the game is just plain rude. Item loot at phase 6 doesn't even matter. Just let everyone have w/e they want.
You aren't playing arms in PvE so something being a sword,axe or mace doesn't matter outside of racial weapon skill.
well no if ur ranking to 14 and cant spend 50g each week then u have to go arms and actually with WF u can actually do pretty damn close dps to a fury warr especially with something like a BRE and sword skill with a HOJ as they can both proc off eachother and at naxx arms is actually more dps then fury lol but f=ury does more in all opther 4 phases if u are comparing bis set ups
u can like get a 2.5k mortal strike then hoj procs then ur 5/5 sword skill procs then WF procs ahahaha imagine that ud go 0-100 rage instantly and hit like 10k ahaha
@@Az-rg8gk Arms is never better then fury for PvE in vanillla, even on short cleave fights fury is still better, doing pretty damn close dps to fury warriors = doing 1/2 the damage they do on single target.
@@DriftNick that would be the case if u play alliance or if windfury didnt exist
@@DriftNick also when ur 5/5 sword spec and hoj proc with bre or other 2h weapon procs with the overall massive slow damage its just huge damage so yeah with that u can i just got a new warrior to 60 i got a bunch of mc gear on it and obsidian edge blade going for rank 11 on it so im arms and i actually beat most fury warriors in raid damage in alot of fights exept for the ones with alot of gear
For orcs you can take the Axe from the three BWL Dragons over Sulfuras.
I see my boy Esfand making an appearance! 5:14
good vid! subbed
hahahaha saying arms is good for pve while showing a waid weapon? XD
Hehe
Atiesh is BIS for resto druids!
another point, the proc on Thunderfury procs paladin seals. So... you double dip whenever it procs as a protection paladin. The threat generation is crazy good.
lol why would a paladin ever have thunderfury?
We have a prot pally in our guild who tanks better than most of the top end guild warrs. He is up next for tf and i cant wait
@@jebus7x7 Honestly, Prot ain't the worst if your healers are on point, half the bosses can't be taunted anyway.
@@raze667 he knows his class so we have no issues on healing him and him being engi is just an added bonus his tps is fine and handles neck and neck compared to our TF warr
Imagine dual wielding thunderfury and the hungering cold, total wet dream
here ill do u one better, just get BRE
BRE isn’t as good as it was on private servers
@@camxd5295 well all private servers added was like some stam right? the dps and proc are the same
The stave can also be used for resto druid
Are u gonna repost the other video again? I rly want to see it
atiesh saw some use in tbc aswell. mostly for the group buff on the mage version. only early on tho
Imagine going arms for pve
holy priest atiesh is so useless, you never need that much healing when the boss dies in 1 minute :D
2:29 What's this weapon called? Anyone?
you didnt mention the druid version of atiesh
Imagine all Atiesh's auras in 1 raid lol
Only for your group, as all the other auras
Legendawy weapons
On my server back in 2006 Memento Mori got this staff on Shattered Hand EU before they migrated to Frostmane. Soulseeker is better for mages and locks then Atiesh is however this was standards for 2006 and today maybe we will see some greedy streamer have it as a Druid Lock or Mage. Splinters and base was always given to the guilds Priest Class leader back in the days even though only 2-3 Priests completed it before TBC hit
I am a human Prot. Warrior and I am looking for a video that has locations and items lists for +Hit rating gear for Classic. I know where to find weapon skill items I am looking for cheaper alternatives than the LionHeart Helm.
Mask of the Unforgiven.
@@sergiokamberov6328 thanks
am sorry to tell you that am the main tank of my guild and i might get the first legendary staff just so you know
5:53 Fithing
Yea showing arms for specs for PvE with Sulfuras dude...
9:53 Wait what?!?! What upgrades?? Are it's stats boosted in phase 5/6??
no
He means that there will be better weapons (upgrades) in later phases even for enhancers and rets
@@CeX360 That makes sense, he worded that pretty strangely.
I actually think it would be pretty cool if Hand of Rag's stats and DPS increase to be in line with Might of Menithil and the like. They could add a drop in Naxx that starts a quest to empower it further.
To keep Legendaries- legendary.
I've seen this game, you stole this video.
You guys are lucky Hunters can’t use 2h maces
They can use thunderfury:)
And there are melee hunters ;D
i play a druid so f yall if ya think atiesh isnt going to a druid. 👍
Funder fury
Funderfury. Sounds kinky.
sulfuras to boomys
#wiffout
#fasefree
#allfreelegendaries
did someone said hunter weapons?
I'm sad there are no Hunter legendaries in classic!
@matt fahringer cool! I wonder if that's the quest I'm on! 😃 I'm gonna kill 4 special demons and I NEED to do it alone or it won't work, I can't even use my pet, and I'm BM, haha 😂 The item that started the quest dropped from MC I think :)
@matt I'm actually done with it now :D Found some really good strategies for killing the demons on youtube :) Still need the Mature Black Dragon Sinew drop from Onyxia though to form the bow :P
funderwuwy
funderfury
actually pog
*Sulfaras*
If you say one more time "wow" instead of W o W im gonna cry
Fandefury
Fwee
too much classic...get w. it Jr
The Original Captain Trips you did the right thing , if it’s too much for you then leave , the door is open, he can and will do the videos he wishes, regardless the content...great video vaulty keep at it
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