"What if the bird won't sing?" Oda Nobunaga: "Kill it!" Toyotomi Hideyoshi: "Make the bird want to sing." Tokugawa Ieyasu: "Wait." --A classic Japanese proverb that every child knows. :D If anyone out there loves the Sengoku Period and wants to delve into the people and events (especially around Hideyoshi and Nobunaga), I highly recommend the book Taiko. It's a classic Japanese novel written by EIji Yoshikawa that follows the young peasant Hiyoshi as he becomes Nobunaga's retainer and eventually the great Taiko. It's been released in English and not only is it a long any detailed story, but it's a joy to read. It's one of my favorite books!
That truly showed the personalities of the three men. Tokugawa had to do a lot of relation band-aid'ing to get Japan into the new period that he ushered in, in particular patching up relations with the Koreans after Toyotomi Hideyoshi had attempted the multiple invasions just years earlier prior to Ieyasu's rise to power. Thankfully, Tokugawa Ieyasu learned from the previous regimes and monopolized with that
From now on, I'm literally going to picture him as a laid back, modern-slang-speaking guy. XD "Hey Tokugawa! Check it! There's this SWEET shortcut I know about!"
...And now I'm picturing the time he saved Tokugawa and his five remaining guys like this: "Yo, Tokugawa, I got an idea. We just scare the bejeebees out of them until nightfall, then me and my bros will sneak into their camp and go on an ass-kicking spree!" "That's not a bad plan...Here's what I'll do, I'll open the gates and have my guys beat a giant drum, confusing the hell out of them and making them think we still have tons of guys!" "Yo dude, that's crazy talk! ...I like! :D"
Aegix Drakan Hanzo just laid back, in a deck chair in full shinobi gear, smokin' some weed, and sounding like a surfer dude. "Like man, I know this shortcut back home that's totally radical dude!"
The medieval history is really interesting. Shit happens when independence rebellion started. No fighting or strategies, just negotiations and political moves. I'm not saying independence is bad or negotiating is bad. Problem Solving through conversations is best. POINT IS POLITICS IS BORING, WAS AND PROBABLY ALWAYS BE, ESPECIALLY IN PAST AND EXCEPT FOR ANCIENT AND MEDIEVAL HISTORY, ALL HISTORY IS BASICALLY POLITICS.
Was studying this time period this morning actually. It is just brain melting to think of the millions cut apart in such brutal war on such a small island such as japan. Man is a brutal beast.
Post the mess that is the Three Kingdom Period, only 30% of the chinese survived. These are the number we tends to skim over when romanticizing such conflict.
History: The story of the most successful people climbing the ladder, then pulling up the ladder behind them. Hideyoshi learned the ladder pulling move.
Next extra history series idea: The Axumite wars of the 520s. Now, many of you may have just gone wtf is that? And to be honest, that's kind of the point. The Kingdom of Axum was a powerful realm in East Africa between around 100 and 960 AD. It pretty much breaks every stereotype people hold about pre-colonial African realms not on the Mediterranean. In 520 they sent an expedition to Yemen. What followed was a series of brutal conflicts that weakened the Axumite Empire to the point where it never truly recovered. It could see the series going on for about 5 episodes. 1st episode: Introduction of the Kingdom of Axum/brief history of the kingdom up to the point when the war started. 2nd episode: The more in depth history of King Kaleb of Axum's motivations for sending troops to the realm of Dhu Nuwas, the Jewish Warlord in Yemen that Axum fought against. 3rd Episode: The first expedition and ending in the betrayal of Kaleb by General Abrenha 4th episode: The second and third expeditions and how they failed, along with what happened to Kaleb and ultimately to General Abrenha's new realm. 5th episode: The effects the war had on Axum and what eventually happened to the Kingdom.
If there's enough content for a series (even if it's shorter than the others) I'd be super down with it. I think this show could provide an extra valuable service if it would show us time periods in places that people have no clue about, and I'm super curious to know what Africa, for example, was up to pre-colonization.
Clowndoe Well, before European colonization there were the realms of... Buganda, Axum, Mali, Bunyoro, Baguirmi, Bornu, Ghana, Songhai, Zimbabwe, Urewe, Ashanti, Numidia, Carthage, Egypt, Kush, Nri and many others. I basically went on wikipedia for that list.
Randygandalf95 There were a lot of states. Agadez, Pate, Semien, Kanem Bornu, Ndongo, Loango, Jolof, Mossi kingdoms, Adal, etc. etc. to name some of the top of my head.
There's actually a conspiracy theory that states that it was Hideyoshi who killed Nobunaga, manipulating Akechi to be the fall guy, that's why he was so incredibly fast to return to Kyoto, too fast for some. Also, the evidence for Akechi's treacherous intent is really flimsy, the version we have is the one that got instituted immediately after Akechi's death with a convenient produced poem and everything. We will never know, but it's interesting to think about.
+SoulRippster Most recent consensus regarding the issue is that the assasination was a counter-revolutionary action. Nobunaga was revolutionary as he did things like determine the title of the era, which is a right that is normally reserved only for emperors. 1 - Ashikaga Yoshiaki was not killed but only expelled to Mori lands, where he continued to conspire with the Moris against Nobunaga. Its beyond doubt that he had a role to play in forming a loose coalition to remove nobunaga and protect the old ways. Akechi was secretly a part of this movement. Other suspected participants were the merchants of Sakai, the Kuge nobility of Kyoto, and a few other daimyo who's authority stemmed in their family's appointment to power by Ashikaga Takauji at the end of the Kamakura Shogunate. 2 - Akechi partook because of his lineage, the Akechis were decendants of Hachimantaro (Genji clan), and not only did they have more prestige than the Odas (who were kinda nobodies, the proper state head of Owari was the Shiba family, the Odas were vassals of the Shiba, and as added bonus Nobunaga's dad was a branch family of even the Oda family, making Nobunaga a nobody in terms of hereditary prestige in family name and status). Also, Hachimantaro had a reputation as being a loyal servant of the emperor, for whom he had slain a devil. Nobunaga was framed as being a devil who did not respect imperial authority, and so as Hachimantaro's decendant Akechi was the right person to slay him. 3 - This counter revolutionary movement was strongly intertwined with conservatism of the old ways, which placed heavy emphasis on family rank/birth, etc. So its hard to beleive that Hideyoshi would be included in the conspiracy because as a former peasant, he was practically the embodiment of Nobunaga's lack of respect for the old ways (nepotism vs meritocracy)
+Opachiono Arby Don't overestimate one man's ambition. The only motive Hideyoshi needed was to be the ruler of Japan... which he accomplished by outmaneuvering everyone. Furthermore, all you said just makes Akechi the best suitable fall guy.
+SoulRippster overestimate Yoshiaki you mean? That's kind of my point, it wasn't one man's ambition. Yoshiaki was by no means totally out of the picture given his lineage, modern history recognizes Yoshiaki's exile as the end of the Ashikaga shogunate but that was in no way clear to the people living in the Sengokujidai. He was made into a rallying point for various parties that wanted Nobunaga out of the picture for whatever reason. For example conservatives saw him as going against all the important traditions. The merchants of Sakai had been extorted out of 20,000,000 Gan in gold. The Mouris saw it as an opportunity to stroll into Kyoto using the installment of Yoshiaki as their justification much like Nobunaga did a decade before. On top of which its very presumable that Mitsuhide himself saw it as a once in a lifetime chance at becoming top dog. Its history so we're all entitled to our opinions, but IMO this theory is much more plausible than to say Hideyoshi alone headed this conspiracy. I agree though that there is room for debate in whether Hideyoshi took part in this movement or not. However I find it difficult to believe that Hideyoshi thought that he could become supreme leader just by getting Nobunaga killed. Hideyoshi was 5th place in the Oda army behind Nobutada, Shibata Katsuie, Akechi Mitsuhide, and Niwa Nagahide. Katsuyori, having served both Nobunaga and his father(Nobuhide), was by far the top contender for succeeding Nobunaga as guardian of his son/grandson - he was also married to Nobunaga's sister Lady Ichi. Nagahide was liked by both the "progressive" and conservative members of the Oda clan as well as allies of the Oda clan. Hideyoshi was only able to garnish support through being the one to avenge Nobunaga's death. Through that he gained the right to host both Nobunaga's funeral and the Kiyosu council, and through his rights as host he consolidated guardianship of Sanpoushi, and only through Sanpoushi was he able to consolidate the more "progressive" minded Oda clan members against Katsuyori who led the conservative minded members. All in all I think its pretty clear that out of the two of us, if one of us was overestimating one man's ambition and where it can take them, it would be you with your Hideyoshi solo theory.
+Opachiono Arby I'm not saying he headed the conspiracy... I'm saying he used it. He was at the very least aware of it and because he was so fast attacking Akechi and then supporting Nobutada's son, making in effect prominent figures swear allegiance to him, like I said, he outmaneuvered everyone. He made himself look the hero and thus made his claim 'righteous', you really can't underestimate someone that began as a sandal bearer. But of course... nobody knows, but interesting to discuss nonetheless.
+SoulRippster Yeah I agree there's no doubting he absolutely made the best of it and that he out maneuvered everyone. And as you say a lot of people share your suspicion based on his 6 day return to meet Akechi's forces at Ooyamazaki (The Chuugoku oogaeshi). We know how he did it (brokering peace while simultaneously setting up torches, widening narrow paths and preparing rest stations all along the path back eastward) but we don't know exactly when he began the preparation for the quick march back (the peace deal we know began after news of Nobunaga's demise was out, but that doesn't mean anything in terms of his knowing of the plot or not.) Kuroda Kanbei was the one in charge of all the preparations and we know he was capable of arranging crazy things to happen (like arranging for the the entire dyke that surrounded and flooded Bicchuu Takamatsu castle to be built). There's no doubting that Hideyoshi couldn't have done half the things he did without Kuroda Kanbei, Takenaka Hanbei, and Hachisuka Masakatsu, the brains and muscle of his army. I'm still very sceptical that he had any part in the conspiring itself, he just totally made everyone who did look like fools by beating them to the prize. Like I said, where he stood in the Oda clan, a lot of shit would have to roll in his favour if it was all planned and things were to go accordingly (ie - Nobunaga and Nobutada would absolutely have to both die, Akechi would have to remain in Kyoto and not retreat to either his home territories or Azuchi Castle, other Oda clan parties could not have been persuaded by Akechi to join him, Shibata Katsuie, Niwa Nagahide, Takigawa Kazumasu, Oda Nobukatsu and Oda Nobutaka would have to be tied down elsewhere so as to not make it in time to kill Akechi, etc) Hideyoshi was undoubtedly a gambler but these odds are way too crazy to have been planned in my opinion. As you say though, awesome discussion, thanks dude.
But, sometimes history repeats because some people do not learn what happened in the past. Times change and new generations are born into the world, but the heart of humanity stays the same: there will always be people who have ambition, pride, and selfishness.
Tokugawa is the luckiest person in history. He literally kept on getting put into life and death situations and yet successfully survived everyone of them.
I'd like to see an extra history of the warring states period of China, since the truth is a bit hard to find through all the myth and modern reimaginings.
Xucalfer The Warring States period was when China was first unified under the Qin (pronounced "Chin") Dynasty. The Three Kingdoms period came later, and was actually the end of the Qin Dynasty. Again, Chinese history is difficult to get into.
The Three Kingdoms era was quite epic. But China's warring states period was EVEN MORE SO. (It happened roughly when Alexander was ravaging the world) The armies pitted against each other reached millions ( This was in the BCE's) and the individual heroism was mind-blowing. It was the most dramatic period of Chinese history in my opinion
My mother grew up in Korea with stories of Hideyoshi's invasion and how they were beaten back. It's a pretty epic story that involves ironclad warships and lays the groundwork for the legendary hatred that the Koreans have for the Japanese (WW2 would exacerbate that ever further). It's a really good read and highly recommend it.
IIRC the Korean admiral at the time was the ultimate badass who was able to beat over 50 Japanese ships with only 12 or so and with almost no causalities!
112steinway krematorak It is worthy of note that Korean ships were always significantly better than their Japanese counterparts historically, as Japan has for most of its history been completely isolated from the rest of the world. The only incidents it had with other nations that we know about prior to Hideyoshi's campaigns are in Jingu-kogo's invasion of Korea in the 3rd century and (according to the sanguozhi) when Cao Cao of Wei (three kingdoms China) sent envoys to queen Himiko of Wa, both of which we know next to nothing about.
kisamehoshigaki09 True. But it's also worth mentioning that the Japanese navy fought by ramming the enemy ship and boarding them while the Korean Turtle Ships were one of the first ships to rely almost exclusively on cannons for offense. They were literally bringing a gun to a knife fight.
1 - Hideyoshi was seiging Bicchuu Takamatsu (against the Mori clan) which is west, not north. Mitsuhide wasn't supposed to come to Kyoto, his territories were Tango and Tanba which are both Northwest of Kyoto, but the army turned left toward Kyoto rather than right (westward) upon heading south to a major east-west roadway. 2 - Akechi killed Nobutada (the eldest son), not Nobukatsu. Nobukatsu is Nobunaga's 3rd son (born second but inherited a lower class family name than Nobutaka, the actual third son, hence was demoted to status of 3rd son) Also, Nobutada wasn't captured, he was garrisoned at Nijo castle with a few thousand troops, and they fought Mitsuhide to their deaths. 3 - Uesugi were not the last remaining powerhouse, the Hojos(Kanto), Mori(Chuugoku), Shimazu(South Kyushu), Otomo(North Kyushu) were all equally dominant in their respective regions - Kanto is the largest plains in Japan, the Moris controlled the Iwami silver mines and were "loaded", Otomos were Christians and had backings of European Catholic nations, and Shimazu had exclusive trade routes with Ming dynasty China.
I really like this one, it's amazing how crazy this all was back then in terms of instability and then coming together under 1 ruling. My only complaint is for me personally it's hard to keep track of who is who. I know you guys color-coded the clans and it did help, but for me I just couldn't keep track of names. That being said, the illustrations helped out a bunch and made it possible for me to follow. Can't wait to see the ending and what you guys will move on to after this extra history
As much as a tragic loss as the whole china and japan fighting in Korea was didn't it kind of serve it's purpose? I mean the whole reason that japan invaded was so that people who only knew how to fight could do something. With them mostly dead they wouldn't be around in normal society to be unproductive... or something...
***** thats not quite the same in this instance. Here the main problem is that with all the guys hanging around with swords getting bored they will ether turn to banditry or try to start a rebellion. Now i'm sure the hope was to conquer more lands and plunder them. which would provide more money and territory. But with a lot less armed warriors around there would be less chance of banditry and civil wars.
The Japanese names *totally* messed with my "gaijin" ears, and I tried real hard to keep up with them and for the most part I succeeded, but I also drowned in the syllables on occasion. Most seem to be consonant-vowel-consonant-vowel-consonant-vowel-consonant-vowel. E.g. Tokugawa, Nobunaga, Toyotomi...
Marius Meyer That's because in Japanese, the only sounds they use are consonant-vowel pairs and the nasal "n" sound. If you can't keep up with the names, it might be easier on you to keep notes as you watch the series, so you can re-read it later.
RekiWylls Thanks! After first noticing the "consonant-vowel" thing, I went and took a look at other Japanese-related things I have and I noticed then that the entire language seemed to follow that pattern. That falls in 100% with what you said. Regarding the names: I struggle to keep people's names straight in my first language and English! I re-watched the episodes earlier anyway and even I will remembered the names *eventually*.
You guys make the better history channel than well uh... the history channel. keep up the fanfreakingtastic work! Also please do a piece on the Three Kingdom period... PLEASE!
I'm supporting this series on Patreon as of right now. My love of History has only been fueled by Extra History and has helped not only teach me new things, but make stuff I already knew refreshing and excting. Not since learning about the Battle of Hastings when I was around 11 years old have I been so enthused about History :) Continue making awsome stuff, guys :D
Didn't they try that idea, every American went all Toddler like when it came down to it though. As an Outsider looking In, I find that Second Amendment something that is actually a old rule that is taking up space. Back then it was because England could come in or any other country now that I think about it, and start another War against the American Colonies that they realized that at that time they still didn't have a Standing Army so was all ok with the idea of everyone have a gun, knowing how to use it and prepared to stand and fight with said gun. Now America has a Standing Army and even a Mobile Army and tons of other weapons that makes that Country less likely for anyone with half a brain to invade that the 2nd Amendment is now moot... But still as said, Outsider Looking In...
they did take similar measures in australia and it worked, but americans literally get all up in arms if you mention that to them. they're impervious to basic reasoning and historical evidence.
AUS Grizzly There is also a strong culture in the US that feels the ownership of so many weapons, there are alot of weapons peacefully held in private citizen hands, is also a kind of Future-Proofing against the typical circular flow of human civilization. You won't always have that stable government running your lands. Your armies might not always have Your best interests at heart. And so on.
3:03 In Japanese, three days are often used to stress how short the amount of time is. For example, if you say a three-day monk (三日坊主) in Japanese, it refers to someone whose determination is so weak that he or she quits challenges very early.
There isn't really much happening after that. We have to go all the way to the industrialization of Japan before anything of note happens. Toyotomi stabilized a country that had been in constant civil war for over 100 years. But the industrialization is a very interesting phenomenom since it's the only example of a non-western country achieving it without any form of colonization.
Snobby Gamer Yeah the Meiji Ishin and the Bakamatsu period can be quite interesting to learn about and I'd love to see them tackle it and it's repercussions in the future
I got into reading up on the history of Feudal Japan after replaying through Pokémon Conquest again, and, also being enthralled by Nobunaga's wartime tactics, because...I love military tactical escapades, and let me just say; the genius and tactical Hideyoshi described here is definitely a far-cry from the goofy one from Ransei in Pokémon, but I think I love this one more. It's fun looking up on these real-life inspirations to these characters.
My brain seems more or less incapable of differentiating Japanese names, the story is really interesting, but all the characters might as well have been called Joe, I keep forgetting who is who anyway, so it all just ends up like, "then, Joe attacked Joe, and Joe tried to make a flanking manoeuvre while Joe, Joe and Joe were preoccupied with beating up Joe". xD The history is interesting though, I just wish I was better at differentiating between non-western names ^^
Nicholas Knudson Heh, well they said in episode 1 that they will be using the name they are famous under rather than change them around all the time, which in theory should make it easier... in theory xD
I actually grew up with the history of the Chinese Three Kingdoms and Japan's Warring States playing video games. It's much easier to learn the names when you can interact with these characters. I heard an analogy for the main three guys you should remember from the Sengoku period that goes something like this: Nobunaga gathered ingredients, Hideoyoshi baked the cake, Tokugawa ate the cake.
"Hey Tokugawa, check it... I know this wicked secret path through Koga that all of us Ninja use." xD Love it! Cannot wait until the next one! Would also love to see the Boshin War!
Man, after watching many... MANY sengoku jidai series i never understood anything besides the fact that they were able to use super powers and blasts dozens on soldiers with a single swing of their weapon, and that Masamune knew broken english somehow, but i never expected learning what really happened from youtube, let alone this channel... and i love it.
When you finally learn history is important because the people in it rather than the events surrounding the period, history becomes all the more interesting.
I'd just like to say that i love this series. Every episode sounds like Game of Thrones season synopsis, except it's real life. It's fascinating. Great job Extra Credits.
amazing stuff guys, great insights into a long obscured time in history! many thanks for the continued effort into this and the other episodes you put up!
A lot comments here are of the opinion that Toyotomi's confiscation and destruction of "all" weapons was a good thing. But Toyotomi did not do that to protect the Japanese people, he did it to protect himself. There is a vast difference between what modern gun control advocates want and what a single powerful man wanted, IE his soldiers to be the only people with the ability to kill over those he ruled. The former is struggling to maintain a compromise between public safety (the right not to get shot by a mad man) and personal liberty (the right to own a weapon for personal defense and or sport). The later only leads to the tyranny of the well armed few (Samurai) over the disarmed many (Commoners).
Well, this makes sense. Basically everyone has been fighting everyone for the past 100 years or so. Removing weapons makes it harder for people to rise through the ranks or rebel.
what surprise me more though that hideyoshi was able to pull this off despite being born peasant at those time of Japan where there is certainly no public education or if there was, at the level it is now. Where did he gain the knowledge to do that?
Well, as someone living in a country with reasonably high gun control (it's illegal to carry weapons on the city streets etc), there's also the matter of stability. It's not automatically *tyranny* to admit the state monopoly on violence. We're a democracy after all, with over 100 years of peaceful power transitions. We aren't denied free access to weapons out of a need to stifle uproar, our government structure is on the opposite so heavily ingrained in our society that no kind of armed uproar would be able successful as a (lasting) power transition. I need a gun to "protect myself from the government"* as much as I need one to protect myself from my rheumatic granny. If either of those ever turn into a physical threat towards me or my possessions, they have earned that win. They've had me, I'm not going to struggle. Well played, good game. *I can't talk at all about protection from street violence etc as I've never had more than 50 neighbours within a one mile radius. Crimes in my neighbourhood are mainly unarmed theft, underage drinking and homecooked recreational substances. And no, guns would not help against the theft as much as a good alarm and some cameras would because these people are targeting empty homes while people are off to work. *However,* sometimes I've seen Americans defend their gun rights by insisting that they might need them in a new civil war against the state or somesuch and that bit always has me flabbergasted. Because, again, I kind of equal my government to an elderly person. A bit slow, often repetitive but generally well meaning when it isn't racist. I don't always approve of what my government does, but I would never think of using violence to change it and I really can't imagine it striking out in violence against me.
@@helenanilsson5666 what makes it might sound more dangerous is if, by certain disagreements in the government policy, they think it's a perfect alibi to rise up and make a civil war.
People are going: "See arms control works" but aren't realizing that the peasants could no longer fight against the oppressive regime that just instituted a strict class system with them at the bottom. So yeah, arms control works. Just not for the little guy.
the time it takes between episodes is kind of harmful to the series, by the time a new one comes out i've forgotten much of the "who's who" from previous episodes.
Wasn't Hideyoshi insanely loyal to Nobunaga/the Oda? He didn't choose the kid so he could control the Oda clan easier. I seem to recall reading/hearing that Hideyoshi swore he'd avenge Nobunaga, and also he tried to rally as many men as he could to crush the Akechi.
For those of you comparing Hideyoshi's banning of weapons to the modern debate on gun control, consider this: the whole point of the second amendment was precisely to prevent future governments from doing what Hideyoshi did. If you want to take absolute control of the populace and rule with an iron fist as Hideyoshi did, disarming everyone is definitely a smart idea. If you want to _prevent_ future governments from taking absolute control of the populace, preventing said government from disarming everyone is also a smart idea, which is what our constitution does. Interestingly enough, our constitution also (implicitly, if not explicitly) prevents our government from doing many of the other things Hideyoshi did, such as locking everyone into a caste system or forcing everyone to work the same land for the rest of their lives. So... yeah. Be glad you're not living in Japan during the Momoyama period.
On another note, if you want to prevent the lowest classes of your country from murdering everyone above them and establishing an incompetent government founded on no ideals with no leaders but the hive mentality, then take the weapons of the peasants and slaves. Yeah, Haiti didn't do that. Funny thing is their leaders weren't as unnecessary as the Americans' were. Hideyoshi was a monarch in a time where monarchs were regular. I think we should all be glad for the 18th century if anything.
***** No, but natural human progression might have seen them increasing the size of their communities to a point where they could be a city as we define it. They'd be moving at a different pace than Europeans at the time, but they'd be moving.
objectively North America probably would have ended up similarly to Europe in its nation building. consider the size of just Canada compared to japan. a lot harder to control if it would take 2-3 months to walk to where an insurrection or civil dispute took place.
There is still so much more audience expanding potential for extra credits, especially extra history. I guess the best we can do is keep sharing it in our social networks.
I come from the future, bearing a message and a warning:
Turtle ships are OP.
That's amazing
+ArchArturo Turtle Ship aka The Early "Submarine"
Sadly...Hideyoshi learned this the hard way. Turtle Ship OP
ArchArturo yah I used some privaters to steal them in order to take over korea
ArchArturo Wrong. Yi OP. The turtle ships just help
"What if the bird won't sing?"
Oda Nobunaga: "Kill it!"
Toyotomi Hideyoshi: "Make the bird want to sing."
Tokugawa Ieyasu: "Wait."
--A classic Japanese proverb that every child knows. :D
If anyone out there loves the Sengoku Period and wants to delve into the people and events (especially around Hideyoshi and Nobunaga), I highly recommend the book Taiko. It's a classic Japanese novel written by EIji Yoshikawa that follows the young peasant Hiyoshi as he becomes Nobunaga's retainer and eventually the great Taiko. It's been released in English and not only is it a long any detailed story, but it's a joy to read. It's one of my favorite books!
That truly showed the personalities of the three men. Tokugawa had to do a lot of relation band-aid'ing to get Japan into the new period that he ushered in, in particular patching up relations with the Koreans after Toyotomi Hideyoshi had attempted the multiple invasions just years earlier prior to Ieyasu's rise to power. Thankfully, Tokugawa Ieyasu learned from the previous regimes and monopolized with that
ieyasu is a mood
Thank you so much for this!!
Wow, thanks for the recommendation! I'll definitely check that out!
Can u perhaps tell mr where can i find an e -copy of the book
Hattori Hanzo. Is. Awesome.
He is quickly proving to be one of my favorite figures in this era.
From now on, I'm literally going to picture him as a laid back, modern-slang-speaking guy. XD
"Hey Tokugawa! Check it! There's this SWEET shortcut I know about!"
...And now I'm picturing the time he saved Tokugawa and his five remaining guys like this: "Yo, Tokugawa, I got an idea. We just scare the bejeebees out of them until nightfall, then me and my bros will sneak into their camp and go on an ass-kicking spree!"
"That's not a bad plan...Here's what I'll do, I'll open the gates and have my guys beat a giant drum, confusing the hell out of them and making them think we still have tons of guys!"
"Yo dude, that's crazy talk! ...I like! :D"
Aegix Drakan Hanzo just laid back, in a deck chair in full shinobi gear, smokin' some weed, and sounding like a surfer dude. "Like man, I know this shortcut back home that's totally radical dude!"
I'm gonna be really disappointed when I find that real life secret ninja shortcuts are not amusement park fun slides. "WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
So if the Japanese Empire Strikes Back, will there be a Return of the Jidai?
Colonel Graff Well done sir!
+Colonel Graff You know the word "jidai" was George Lucas' inspiration for "jedi" right?
+moderateatberkeley You know that ruining a joke for everyone won't make anyone happy with you, right?
+existenceisrelative I'm happy he pointed it out. Shut the fuck up.
+existenceisrelative How does that ruin the joke?
"And now I'm going to invade Korea, and then hopefully China," he said. And failed. And also died.
OPEN UP THE COUNTRY STOP HAVING IT BE CLOSED
Bill Wurtz brought me here.
Mongols died in a Tornado.
Conrado Javier actually a tsunami
It's also a bill wurtz reference
They went in again, had a nice time fighting the Japanese, but then died in another tornado.
My word. These cliffhangers. It's like history is interesting or something.
Oh my god you’re right
The medieval history is really interesting. Shit happens when independence rebellion started. No fighting or strategies, just negotiations and political moves. I'm not saying independence is bad or negotiating is bad. Problem Solving through conversations is best. POINT IS POLITICS IS BORING, WAS AND PROBABLY ALWAYS BE, ESPECIALLY IN PAST AND EXCEPT FOR ANCIENT AND MEDIEVAL HISTORY, ALL HISTORY IS BASICALLY POLITICS.
Take note, script writers ! ;)
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@@Ppulot Geez man
I like the idea of feudal japan being covered in slides.
Ya totally
Yo, I have a secret path. There's a sign, a slide and you must yell "weeeeeeeeee!" The entire way.
8:02 Admiral Yi says hi from the future!
turtle ship op, pls nerf
Was studying this time period this morning actually. It is just brain melting to think of the millions cut apart in such brutal war on such a small island such as japan. Man is a brutal beast.
DreamcastGuy japan is actually a large island. it is about the whole size of the us east coast
True
Post the mess that is the Three Kingdom Period, only 30% of the chinese survived. These are the number we tends to skim over when romanticizing such conflict.
If you want peace, arm for war
If you want brutal, fight a bear
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH! -Man
History: The story of the most successful people climbing the ladder, then pulling up the ladder behind them.
Hideyoshi learned the ladder pulling move.
Next extra history series idea: The Axumite wars of the 520s. Now, many of you may have just gone wtf is that? And to be honest, that's kind of the point. The Kingdom of Axum was a powerful realm in East Africa between around 100 and 960 AD. It pretty much breaks every stereotype people hold about pre-colonial African realms not on the Mediterranean. In 520 they sent an expedition to Yemen. What followed was a series of brutal conflicts that weakened the Axumite Empire to the point where it never truly recovered. It could see the series going on for about 5 episodes.
1st episode: Introduction of the Kingdom of Axum/brief history of the kingdom up to the point when the war started.
2nd episode: The more in depth history of King Kaleb of Axum's motivations for sending troops to the realm of Dhu Nuwas, the Jewish Warlord in Yemen that Axum fought against.
3rd Episode: The first expedition and ending in the betrayal of Kaleb by General Abrenha
4th episode: The second and third expeditions and how they failed, along with what happened to Kaleb and ultimately to General Abrenha's new realm.
5th episode: The effects the war had on Axum and what eventually happened to the Kingdom.
If there's enough content for a series (even if it's shorter than the others) I'd be super down with it. I think this show could provide an extra valuable service if it would show us time periods in places that people have no clue about, and I'm super curious to know what Africa, for example, was up to pre-colonization.
Yes!!!
or they could at least try with any pre-colonial African history.
Clowndoe Well, before European colonization there were the realms of...
Buganda, Axum, Mali, Bunyoro, Baguirmi, Bornu, Ghana, Songhai, Zimbabwe, Urewe, Ashanti, Numidia, Carthage, Egypt, Kush, Nri and many others. I basically went on wikipedia for that list.
well, this seems interesting
Randygandalf95
There were a lot of states. Agadez, Pate, Semien, Kanem Bornu, Ndongo, Loango, Jolof, Mossi kingdoms, Adal, etc. etc. to name some of the top of my head.
There's actually a conspiracy theory that states that it was Hideyoshi who killed Nobunaga, manipulating Akechi to be the fall guy, that's why he was so incredibly fast to return to Kyoto, too fast for some.
Also, the evidence for Akechi's treacherous intent is really flimsy, the version we have is the one that got instituted immediately after Akechi's death with a convenient produced poem and everything. We will never know, but it's interesting to think about.
+SoulRippster Most recent consensus regarding the issue is that the assasination was a counter-revolutionary action. Nobunaga was revolutionary as he did things like determine the title of the era, which is a right that is normally reserved only for emperors.
1 - Ashikaga Yoshiaki was not killed but only expelled to Mori lands, where he continued to conspire with the Moris against Nobunaga. Its beyond doubt that he had a role to play in forming a loose coalition to remove nobunaga and protect the old ways. Akechi was secretly a part of this movement. Other suspected participants were the merchants of Sakai, the Kuge nobility of Kyoto, and a few other daimyo who's authority stemmed in their family's appointment to power by Ashikaga Takauji at the end of the Kamakura Shogunate.
2 - Akechi partook because of his lineage, the Akechis were decendants of Hachimantaro (Genji clan), and not only did they have more prestige than the Odas (who were kinda nobodies, the proper state head of Owari was the Shiba family, the Odas were vassals of the Shiba, and as added bonus Nobunaga's dad was a branch family of even the Oda family, making Nobunaga a nobody in terms of hereditary prestige in family name and status). Also, Hachimantaro had a reputation as being a loyal servant of the emperor, for whom he had slain a devil. Nobunaga was framed as being a devil who did not respect imperial authority, and so as Hachimantaro's decendant Akechi was the right person to slay him.
3 - This counter revolutionary movement was strongly intertwined with conservatism of the old ways, which placed heavy emphasis on family rank/birth, etc. So its hard to beleive that Hideyoshi would be included in the conspiracy because as a former peasant, he was practically the embodiment of Nobunaga's lack of respect for the old ways (nepotism vs meritocracy)
+Opachiono Arby Don't overestimate one man's ambition.
The only motive Hideyoshi needed was to be the ruler of Japan... which he accomplished by outmaneuvering everyone. Furthermore, all you said just makes Akechi the best suitable fall guy.
+SoulRippster overestimate Yoshiaki you mean?
That's kind of my point, it wasn't one man's ambition. Yoshiaki was by no means totally out of the picture given his lineage, modern history recognizes Yoshiaki's exile as the end of the Ashikaga shogunate but that was in no way clear to the people living in the Sengokujidai. He was made into a rallying point for various parties that wanted Nobunaga out of the picture for whatever reason. For example conservatives saw him as going against all the important traditions. The merchants of Sakai had been extorted out of 20,000,000 Gan in gold. The Mouris saw it as an opportunity to stroll into Kyoto using the installment of Yoshiaki as their justification much like Nobunaga did a decade before. On top of which its very presumable that Mitsuhide himself saw it as a once in a lifetime chance at becoming top dog.
Its history so we're all entitled to our opinions, but IMO this theory is much more plausible than to say Hideyoshi alone headed this conspiracy. I agree though that there is room for debate in whether Hideyoshi took part in this movement or not.
However I find it difficult to believe that Hideyoshi thought that he could become supreme leader just by getting Nobunaga killed. Hideyoshi was 5th place in the Oda army behind Nobutada, Shibata Katsuie, Akechi Mitsuhide, and Niwa Nagahide. Katsuyori, having served both Nobunaga and his father(Nobuhide), was by far the top contender for succeeding Nobunaga as guardian of his son/grandson - he was also married to Nobunaga's sister Lady Ichi. Nagahide was liked by both the "progressive" and conservative members of the Oda clan as well as allies of the Oda clan. Hideyoshi was only able to garnish support through being the one to avenge Nobunaga's death. Through that he gained the right to host both Nobunaga's funeral and the Kiyosu council, and through his rights as host he consolidated guardianship of Sanpoushi, and only through Sanpoushi was he able to consolidate the more "progressive" minded Oda clan members against Katsuyori who led the conservative minded members.
All in all I think its pretty clear that out of the two of us, if one of us was overestimating one man's ambition and where it can take them, it would be you with your Hideyoshi solo theory.
+Opachiono Arby I'm not saying he headed the conspiracy... I'm saying he used it.
He was at the very least aware of it and because he was so fast attacking Akechi and then supporting Nobutada's son, making in effect prominent figures swear allegiance to him, like I said, he outmaneuvered everyone.
He made himself look the hero and thus made his claim 'righteous', you really can't underestimate someone that began as a sandal bearer.
But of course... nobody knows, but interesting to discuss nonetheless.
+SoulRippster Yeah I agree there's no doubting he absolutely made the best of it and that he out maneuvered everyone. And as you say a lot of people share your suspicion based on his 6 day return to meet Akechi's forces at Ooyamazaki (The Chuugoku oogaeshi). We know how he did it (brokering peace while simultaneously setting up torches, widening narrow paths and preparing rest stations all along the path back eastward) but we don't know exactly when he began the preparation for the quick march back (the peace deal we know began after news of Nobunaga's demise was out, but that doesn't mean anything in terms of his knowing of the plot or not.) Kuroda Kanbei was the one in charge of all the preparations and we know he was capable of arranging crazy things to happen (like arranging for the the entire dyke that surrounded and flooded Bicchuu Takamatsu castle to be built). There's no doubting that Hideyoshi couldn't have done half the things he did without Kuroda Kanbei, Takenaka Hanbei, and Hachisuka Masakatsu, the brains and muscle of his army.
I'm still very sceptical that he had any part in the conspiring itself, he just totally made everyone who did look like fools by beating them to the prize. Like I said, where he stood in the Oda clan, a lot of shit would have to roll in his favour if it was all planned and things were to go accordingly (ie - Nobunaga and Nobutada would absolutely have to both die, Akechi would have to remain in Kyoto and not retreat to either his home territories or Azuchi Castle, other Oda clan parties could not have been persuaded by Akechi to join him, Shibata Katsuie, Niwa Nagahide, Takigawa Kazumasu, Oda Nobukatsu and Oda Nobutaka would have to be tied down elsewhere so as to not make it in time to kill Akechi, etc) Hideyoshi was undoubtedly a gambler but these odds are way too crazy to have been planned in my opinion.
As you say though, awesome discussion, thanks dude.
This is kind of why you have to love history. Some really amazing stuff has happened in the past.
But, sometimes history repeats because some people do not learn what happened in the past. Times change and new generations are born into the world, but the heart of humanity stays the same: there will always be people who have ambition, pride, and selfishness.
Ikar Timeoff
War never changes?
Ershiin war changes, men don't.
Tokugawa is the luckiest person in history. He literally kept on getting put into life and death situations and yet successfully survived everyone of them.
I'd like to see an extra history of the warring states period of China, since the truth is a bit hard to find through all the myth and modern reimaginings.
I completely agree. Chinese history is almost inaccessible to people who don't know chinese
The Three Kingdom Period? If so I concur I am enjoying the hell out of these series.
Xucalfer The Warring States period was when China was first unified under the Qin (pronounced "Chin") Dynasty. The Three Kingdoms period came later, and was actually the end of the Qin Dynasty. Again, Chinese history is difficult to get into.
The Three Kingdoms era was quite epic. But China's warring states period was EVEN MORE SO. (It happened roughly when Alexander was ravaging the world) The armies pitted against each other reached millions ( This was in the BCE's) and the individual heroism was mind-blowing. It was the most dramatic period of Chinese history in my opinion
Oh... well heck I would love to see that from these guys too.
My mother grew up in Korea with stories of Hideyoshi's invasion and how they were beaten back. It's a pretty epic story that involves ironclad warships and lays the groundwork for the legendary hatred that the Koreans have for the Japanese (WW2 would exacerbate that ever further). It's a really good read and highly recommend it.
IIRC the Korean admiral at the time was the ultimate badass who was able to beat over 50 Japanese ships with only 12 or so and with almost no causalities!
krematorak Admiral Yi Sun Shin and the Turtle ships! One of my favorites!
112steinway krematorak It is worthy of note that Korean ships were always significantly better than their Japanese counterparts historically, as Japan has for most of its history been completely isolated from the rest of the world. The only incidents it had with other nations that we know about prior to Hideyoshi's campaigns are in Jingu-kogo's invasion of Korea in the 3rd century and (according to the sanguozhi) when Cao Cao of Wei (three kingdoms China) sent envoys to queen Himiko of Wa, both of which we know next to nothing about.
kisamehoshigaki09 True. But it's also worth mentioning that the Japanese navy fought by ramming the enemy ship and boarding them while the Korean Turtle Ships were one of the first ships to rely almost exclusively on cannons for offense. They were literally bringing a gun to a knife fight.
112steinway That's basically what I just said. Lol. The Japanese had an isolated history, thus they had inferior ships and inferior naval tactics.
Sneaking through the country, in a slide, shouting "WEEEEEEEEEEE" the entire time
It's what I would do.
It's what we all would do
1 - Hideyoshi was seiging Bicchuu Takamatsu (against the Mori clan) which is west, not north. Mitsuhide wasn't supposed to come to Kyoto, his territories were Tango and Tanba which are both Northwest of Kyoto, but the army turned left toward Kyoto rather than right (westward) upon heading south to a major east-west roadway.
2 - Akechi killed Nobutada (the eldest son), not Nobukatsu. Nobukatsu is Nobunaga's 3rd son (born second but inherited a lower class family name than Nobutaka, the actual third son, hence was demoted to status of 3rd son)
Also, Nobutada wasn't captured, he was garrisoned at Nijo castle with a few thousand troops, and they fought Mitsuhide to their deaths.
3 - Uesugi were not the last remaining powerhouse, the Hojos(Kanto), Mori(Chuugoku), Shimazu(South Kyushu), Otomo(North Kyushu) were all equally dominant in their respective regions - Kanto is the largest plains in Japan, the Moris controlled the Iwami silver mines and were "loaded", Otomos were Christians and had backings of European Catholic nations, and Shimazu had exclusive trade routes with Ming dynasty China.
1:39 The cake is a lie.
Tbh I'd love to see them cover more Daimyo Like Date Masamune "The One-Eyed Dragon" for example.
You are aware that "The One-Eyed Dragon" was Date Masamune's moniker?
Papadragon18 huh?
The one-eyed dragon sounds like an urban dictionary entry, with the definition being an alternative name for a penis.
@@zekedia2223 you’re thinking of one eyed monster
Hanzo continues to be the MVP of this entire warring states period.
I really like this one, it's amazing how crazy this all was back then in terms of instability and then coming together under 1 ruling.
My only complaint is for me personally it's hard to keep track of who is who. I know you guys color-coded the clans and it did help, but for me I just couldn't keep track of names. That being said, the illustrations helped out a bunch and made it possible for me to follow. Can't wait to see the ending and what you guys will move on to after this extra history
As much as a tragic loss as the whole china and japan fighting in Korea was didn't it kind of serve it's purpose? I mean the whole reason that japan invaded was so that people who only knew how to fight could do something. With them mostly dead they wouldn't be around in normal society to be unproductive... or something...
Why does the USA have multiple wars waging in areas they dont need to be?
never heard of the broken window fallacy?
gregheffly why does the gregheffly ask irrelevant questions?
gregheffly Oil.
***** thats not quite the same in this instance. Here the main problem is that with all the guys hanging around with swords getting bored they will ether turn to banditry or try to start a rebellion. Now i'm sure the hope was to conquer more lands and plunder them. which would provide more money and territory. But with a lot less armed warriors around there would be less chance of banditry and civil wars.
"Remember hitsinugomakarakpakasaklomenakase?" No. No I don't.
The Japanese names *totally* messed with my "gaijin" ears, and I tried real hard to keep up with them and for the most part I succeeded, but I also drowned in the syllables on occasion. Most seem to be consonant-vowel-consonant-vowel-consonant-vowel-consonant-vowel. E.g. Tokugawa, Nobunaga, Toyotomi...
I agree. It would helps if their names were written or at least their clans logos print on their shirts :P
HAHAHAHA this is a great comment XD
Marius Meyer That's because in Japanese, the only sounds they use are consonant-vowel pairs and the nasal "n" sound. If you can't keep up with the names, it might be easier on you to keep notes as you watch the series, so you can re-read it later.
RekiWylls Thanks! After first noticing the "consonant-vowel" thing, I went and took a look at other Japanese-related things I have and I noticed then that the entire language seemed to follow that pattern. That falls in 100% with what you said.
Regarding the names: I struggle to keep people's names straight in my first language and English!
I re-watched the episodes earlier anyway and even I will remembered the names *eventually*.
You guys make the better history channel than well uh... the history channel. keep up the fanfreakingtastic work! Also please do a piece on the Three Kingdom period... PLEASE!
MOAR! extra history has got to be one of your guys best shows, keep it up!
I also come from the future, bearing a warning.
*Beware Admiral Yi.*
I'm supporting this series on Patreon as of right now. My love of History has only been fueled by Extra History and has helped not only teach me new things, but make stuff I already knew refreshing and excting. Not since learning about the Battle of Hastings when I was around 11 years old have I been so enthused about History :) Continue making awsome stuff, guys :D
I watched Admiral Yi's story before this, so I was wondering why Toyotomi's name was so familiar until the very end of the video.
I'm laughing now because could you IMAGINE what it would be like if AMERICANS were told to give up their guns especially now?
Didn't they try that idea, every American went all Toddler like when it came down to it though. As an Outsider looking In, I find that Second Amendment something that is actually a old rule that is taking up space. Back then it was because England could come in or any other country now that I think about it, and start another War against the American Colonies that they realized that at that time they still didn't have a Standing Army so was all ok with the idea of everyone have a gun, knowing how to use it and prepared to stand and fight with said gun. Now America has a Standing Army and even a Mobile Army and tons of other weapons that makes that Country less likely for anyone with half a brain to invade that the 2nd Amendment is now moot... But still as said, Outsider Looking In...
they did take similar measures in australia and it worked, but americans literally get all up in arms if you mention that to them. they're impervious to basic reasoning and historical evidence.
They'd kill just about everyone first before handing them over
Pedro Gusmão Ah yes, the Fat Cat Syndrome... Forgot about that with America...
AUS Grizzly There is also a strong culture in the US that feels the ownership of so many weapons, there are alot of weapons peacefully held in private citizen hands, is also a kind of Future-Proofing against the typical circular flow of human civilization. You won't always have that stable government running your lands. Your armies might not always have Your best interests at heart. And so on.
hitori honzo was awesome
Thanx for the series. I also thank the alltime number team for promoting this channel.
And to think this entire series is summed up in 12 seconds in "history of japan"
These segments are brilliant, please continue covering history once you are done with sengoku jidai!
3:03
In Japanese, three days are often used to stress how short the amount of time is.
For example, if you say a three-day monk (三日坊主) in Japanese, it refers to someone whose determination is so weak that he or she quits challenges very early.
Sources say that Mitsuhide's era lasted not three days, but thirteen days.
I love this series so much! I wish you guys would upload it more often, cause it's just to great for me to handle not having!
These are really good! Don't suppose you could keep covering Japanese history after the sengoku jidai ends?
There isn't really much happening after that. We have to go all the way to the industrialization of Japan before anything of note happens. Toyotomi stabilized a country that had been in constant civil war for over 100 years.
But the industrialization is a very interesting phenomenom since it's the only example of a non-western country achieving it without any form of colonization.
Snobby Gamer
Well, the industrialization of Japan is interesting to cover, so is WW2 from the perspective of the Japanese.
Snobby Gamer Yeah the Meiji Ishin and the Bakamatsu period can be quite interesting to learn about and I'd love to see them tackle it and it's repercussions in the future
Jeremy Gilbert Im sure you can vote for them on Patron.
No that would be a little to tiring, I actually wanted something with Chinese history now that they briefly tackled that in this episode.
I got into reading up on the history of Feudal Japan after replaying through Pokémon Conquest again, and, also being enthralled by Nobunaga's wartime tactics, because...I love military tactical escapades, and let me just say; the genius and tactical Hideyoshi described here is definitely a far-cry from the goofy one from Ransei in Pokémon, but I think I love this one more.
It's fun looking up on these real-life inspirations to these characters.
My brain seems more or less incapable of differentiating Japanese names, the story is really interesting, but all the characters might as well have been called Joe, I keep forgetting who is who anyway, so it all just ends up like, "then, Joe attacked Joe, and Joe tried to make a flanking manoeuvre while Joe, Joe and Joe were preoccupied with beating up Joe". xD
The history is interesting though, I just wish I was better at differentiating between non-western names ^^
Doesn't help when they keep changing their names every time they do something important.
Nicholas Knudson Heh, well they said in episode 1 that they will be using the name they are famous under rather than change them around all the time, which in theory should make it easier... in theory xD
I actually grew up with the history of the Chinese Three Kingdoms and Japan's Warring States playing video games. It's much easier to learn the names when you can interact with these characters.
I heard an analogy for the main three guys you should remember from the Sengoku period that goes something like this: Nobunaga gathered ingredients, Hideoyoshi baked the cake, Tokugawa ate the cake.
TheLogan I think it's due to them having the same face structure
The only name I've been familiar with in the series so far is Nobunaga, and that's just because I play a lot of Civ V.
"Hey Tokugawa, check it... I know this wicked secret path through Koga that all of us Ninja use."
xD Love it! Cannot wait until the next one!
Would also love to see the Boshin War!
Hanzo is a total bro
Hideyoshi: I am going to conquer China.
Admiral Yi: No, not even over my dead body.
the part where he mentioned china reminded me of that dude from bill wurtz
I think a interesting future topic would either be Genghis Khan, Akexander the Greats conquests, Napoleon, or the fall of the Roman Empire
This is... incredible. Thank you. I'll be rewatching a lot.
Anyone play Age of Empires 2? I remember there was a battle where you played as Hideyoshi's men to take revenge against Kyoto for killing Nobunaga.
What about Age of Empires 3: Asian Dynasties? in Act 1: Japan you fight in the Tokugawa clan and you can also pick this clan in multiplayer.
You really should do the imjin war in detail, it is truly epic, with an admiral easily rivalling Nelson.
OMFG I LOVE THIS SERIES! PLEASE DO MOAR!
I really love these history lessons. They're amazing.
So Mitsuhide Akechi is Japanese Starscream. Got it.
I just discovered that this video was released 5 years ago, man this dude was a head of his time excellent work
Man, after watching many... MANY sengoku jidai series i never understood anything besides the fact that they were able to use super powers and blasts dozens on soldiers with a single swing of their weapon, and that Masamune knew broken english somehow, but i never expected learning what really happened from youtube, let alone this channel... and i love it.
When you finally learn history is important because the people in it rather than the events surrounding the period, history becomes all the more interesting.
ninjas > pirates
please do more of these!!!!! there so good!
7:58 China?! What? xD
=.=;
Should I feel bad for laughing?
What's funny about China?
They even had India as a stretch goal.
...yes there was.
The Ming Dynasty was well established at that time for years, followed by the Qing Dynasty afterwards.
If i had to guess would it be the Nanking Massacre? if so yes, yes you should feel bad.
I'd just like to say that i love this series. Every episode sounds like Game of Thrones season synopsis, except it's real life. It's fascinating. Great job Extra Credits.
this makes me wanna play samurai warriors
It's a mix of sad and awesome that you guys do a better job than the History channel these days.
Me: 7:54 when my girlfriend say her parents are out for the night.
(Pause it and see the face.)
I'm taking a Japan class, and this Extra History is a big help to understand the country! Thanks :D
a ninja guild sounds badass
Venus Gillespie who the fuck wouldnt
Thank you for putting out these videos, they're both entertaining and very educational!
yes, please do the imjin war
amazing stuff guys, great insights into a long obscured time in history! many thanks for the continued effort into this and the other episodes you put up!
A lot comments here are of the opinion that Toyotomi's confiscation and destruction of "all" weapons was a good thing.
But Toyotomi did not do that to protect the Japanese people, he did it to protect himself.
There is a vast difference between what modern gun control advocates want and what a single powerful man wanted, IE his soldiers to be the only people with the ability to kill over those he ruled.
The former is struggling to maintain a compromise between public safety (the right not to get shot by a mad man) and personal liberty (the right to own a weapon for personal defense and or sport).
The later only leads to the tyranny of the well armed few (Samurai) over the disarmed many (Commoners).
Well, this makes sense. Basically everyone has been fighting everyone for the past 100 years or so. Removing weapons makes it harder for people to rise through the ranks or rebel.
Even though I am for gun control in USA, I agree with you.
what surprise me more though that hideyoshi was able to pull this off despite being born peasant at those time of Japan where there is certainly no public education or if there was, at the level it is now. Where did he gain the knowledge to do that?
Well, as someone living in a country with reasonably high gun control (it's illegal to carry weapons on the city streets etc), there's also the matter of stability. It's not automatically *tyranny* to admit the state monopoly on violence. We're a democracy after all, with over 100 years of peaceful power transitions. We aren't denied free access to weapons out of a need to stifle uproar, our government structure is on the opposite so heavily ingrained in our society that no kind of armed uproar would be able successful as a (lasting) power transition.
I need a gun to "protect myself from the government"* as much as I need one to protect myself from my rheumatic granny. If either of those ever turn into a physical threat towards me or my possessions, they have earned that win. They've had me, I'm not going to struggle. Well played, good game.
*I can't talk at all about protection from street violence etc as I've never had more than 50 neighbours within a one mile radius. Crimes in my neighbourhood are mainly unarmed theft, underage drinking and homecooked recreational substances. And no, guns would not help against the theft as much as a good alarm and some cameras would because these people are targeting empty homes while people are off to work.
*However,* sometimes I've seen Americans defend their gun rights by insisting that they might need them in a new civil war against the state or somesuch and that bit always has me flabbergasted. Because, again, I kind of equal my government to an elderly person. A bit slow, often repetitive but generally well meaning when it isn't racist. I don't always approve of what my government does, but I would never think of using violence to change it and I really can't imagine it striking out in violence against me.
@@helenanilsson5666 what makes it might sound more dangerous is if, by certain disagreements in the government policy, they think it's a perfect alibi to rise up and make a civil war.
Hattori Hanzo is a total bro ! (And Tokugawa have put all his point in Luck and Social XD)
Extra History is only $300 a month away from $10,000 a month on Patreon--at $10,000, they'll make these episodes weekly!
Love these video's, man. Succinct, interesting, with only light embellishment for story... Keep doing them!
Instructions for use: Press Pause, Click Like button, Get IceCream/Snacks, Full Screen, Play :-)
Thank you very much for making these, great work! They make for a very fun secondary source for learning Japanese history.
Wow, ninja are more honorable than samurai
this is very good. learned so much. you really put things in context.
People are going: "See arms control works" but aren't realizing that the peasants could no longer fight against the oppressive regime that just instituted a strict class system with them at the bottom.
So yeah, arms control works. Just not for the little guy.
Excellent series! Keep up the good work
I'm sorry but someone HAS to say this and I will volunteer: "The cake was an -untruth- -false- -fiction- lie!"
Congrats on hitting the milestone :D!!!
Hollywood didn't lie to us--ninja *are* awesome!
Another great episode. Thanks, and looking forth to the conclusion.
the time it takes between episodes is kind of harmful to the series, by the time a new one comes out i've forgotten much of the "who's who" from previous episodes.
I loved this series fav out of all of them this time period is one of my favorite ever!
Keep up the awesome work and cant wait for part 6!!!
Sooo Tokugawa Ieasu is japanese type of damsel in distress?
this series had just been soo cool keep up the great work!
Wasn't Hideyoshi insanely loyal to Nobunaga/the Oda? He didn't choose the kid so he could control the Oda clan easier. I seem to recall reading/hearing that Hideyoshi swore he'd avenge Nobunaga, and also he tried to rally as many men as he could to crush the Akechi.
YEEEEY!!!! Welcome back! Great eppisode!! :) Can't wait to see the next one!! Keep up the good work!
For those of you comparing Hideyoshi's banning of weapons to the modern debate on gun control, consider this: the whole point of the second amendment was precisely to prevent future governments from doing what Hideyoshi did.
If you want to take absolute control of the populace and rule with an iron fist as Hideyoshi did, disarming everyone is definitely a smart idea. If you want to _prevent_ future governments from taking absolute control of the populace, preventing said government from disarming everyone is also a smart idea, which is what our constitution does.
Interestingly enough, our constitution also (implicitly, if not explicitly) prevents our government from doing many of the other things Hideyoshi did, such as locking everyone into a caste system or forcing everyone to work the same land for the rest of their lives. So... yeah. Be glad you're not living in Japan during the Momoyama period.
On another note, if you want to prevent the lowest classes of your country from murdering everyone above them and establishing an incompetent government founded on no ideals with no leaders but the hive mentality, then take the weapons of the peasants and slaves.
Yeah, Haiti didn't do that. Funny thing is their leaders weren't as unnecessary as the Americans' were.
Hideyoshi was a monarch in a time where monarchs were regular. I think we should all be glad for the 18th century if anything.
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So what was the emperor doing in all these shenanigans?
I believe he was doing the classic Japanese Emperor thing of doing nothing politically important. He was probably painting or something like that.
he basically just a practically useless symbol unlike his descendants in the past 70 years ago
These are so awesome, I really enjoyed learning about Japanese history.
Minja are awesome.
*Ninja
I really like this series. I hope you guys keep up the good work.
Do one on the Korean campaigne.
it's already done
they are actually. Look at the latest videos regarding Admiral Yi. That's the war of unified Japan vs Korea
Great series! You folks are the best!
I wonder if the europeans ever didnt find north america, would the natives come together to form one country like this?
Nah, I'd bet they'd have their own nations.
Doubtful as to my knowledge indians didn't exactly build cities or anything of that sort.
doubt it, you have to remember that there was a central government before all of this although it wasn't like the one after...
***** No, but natural human progression might have seen them increasing the size of their communities to a point where they could be a city as we define it. They'd be moving at a different pace than Europeans at the time, but they'd be moving.
objectively North America probably would have ended up similarly to Europe in its nation building. consider the size of just Canada compared to japan. a lot harder to control if it would take 2-3 months to walk to where an insurrection or civil dispute took place.
I can't wait until the next episode. The Battle at Sekigahara and the entrance of Miyamoto Musashi.
5:58 Love how Japan figured out in the 1500's what America still hasn't figured out today xD
I love your videos man! I'm a huge history buff so the is was seriously enjoyable to watch!
Whoo! Welcome back, guys!
There is still so much more audience expanding potential for extra credits, especially extra history. I guess the best we can do is keep sharing it in our social networks.
I'm really, really waiting the next episode! Togukawa is one of my favorite samurais and also shogun, so I'm counting on you!^^
the war between japan and china was actually what I was looking for when I started watching plz cover it