8:56 there's more to the story, which Chris explains in one of his Q&A videos. after agreeing to make music, Hopoo was still on the fence about what composer to hire on. initially they wanted several composers for variety. Chris instead emails Hopoo saying something along the lines of "Hey, I'm willing to do all the music, but you have to act fast because I have several job offers right now." he was bluffing, and Hopoo bought the bluff.
I remember when I first saw the second one was 3d, and I was like, "eehhhh Idk man, it's so good as 2d." And then I got it on a whim and they did it again! So hyped to see what they do next
@@krisg.6745 One small problem, most of the bugs aren't DLC-specific. The new content of the DLC itself is fine (a bit lackluster, but fine), the UPDATE that ADDED the DLC to the game screwed everything up. So even people who DON'T HAVE the DLC are affected. Steam players can thankfully downpatch, but console players are just screwed.
@@krisg.6745 The game has already received the Skyrim treatment luckily, there's a mod that fixes 95% of the bugs introduced by the latest DLC which is great for Steam players. Sucks that console players have been screwed though
I wish I could say the same on console (ps5), however idk if it's due to their servers but my mates & I get random disconnects and can't play longer than 40mins+ because everyone gets thrown back to the title screen. I really hope they come out with that 'Survivors of The Void' update that overhauls the game for us on console. I really love this game and I WANT to keep playing it, but it's just not as much fun playing alone..
@tobiasrex8052 risk of rain net code is very janky even on PC latest update. Enable steam/epic cross play completely breaks multi-player still now. So your not alone
One of my favorite games of all time. It's shocking to me how adept they were at programming and rapid iteration that they finished the first game as quickly as they did.
I don't think them wanting to port it was the mistake in and of itself, but I'm sufe you're aware of all the things Gearbox has done, like genuinely making the game unplayable 💀
It's always interesting to see how games that hold titles of having incredible narratives, soundtrack, visual style, and unique gameplay are the result of some guys going "wouldn't it be cool if..."
Returns is being developed entirely in-house at Hopoo Games and was in development for years before the sale of the IP was fully considered or finalized. That said, it is published by Gearbox and so we have support for marketing, QA etc and obviously they're excited to be able to present our love letter to you all as well.
Yeah.... Saddening. But that is how it goes. Letting things go means that you have less influence on how they change. (And giving things to Gearbox appears to mean that it will change for the worse.)
Thank you for making another one of these amazing, interesting and useful videos. The summary of every point, listing every important detail and portraying the creators thoughts and emotions shows how dedicated you are. Every single minute of the video has high levels and research. I truly thank you for these videos and I hope you can continue to post videos in the future.
Don't worry about that they shutting down as they have now been hired by Valve, easily the best game company to be an employee of. They fed their fans for the wolves and are living the dream
Yessss one of my favorite games ever!! I remember buying Risk of Rain 2 in early access and playing a bit of it, but it wasn't until 1.0 that I became absolutely obsessed with the game. Something about it just always grabs me back, and even after 2 years I still haven't gotten tired of it; especially with the modding community and DLC update. Such a fun and special game to me This was such a great video!! Especially loved seeing all the unused content; and as someone who's played only a bit of ROR1, it was cool to see where it began!
I remember playing the original Risk of Rain many years back on the ps4. Me, my dad, and a couple of my friends frequently enjoyed it for a long while. A few years later, I was browsing games on the ps store and found Risk of Rain 2. It was so exciting to see that they made a sequel to a game that I had already enjoyed so much. It's sad to see the harsh treatment RoR2 has been receiving when it comes to the console editions, but it is still a legendary game. I love playing games like this made by small teams, and seeing how it all happened.
Oh yeah the console version is terrible. It’s so broken and unfair with many glitches. At least I get the DLC’s on November 8th. I can ignore everything else
It's so interesting to hear about them being concerned if they could translate the first game into a 3D experience, simply because of our future knowledge and how much they knocked it out of the park. I remember seeing a PCGamer article posting the first screenshots they put out and being a bit skeptical, like "there is no way this can end well. where is all the pixel art soul? tsk." I guess 2017 me was a bit of a hater. 😹 It's also interesting to hear that they wanted the game to be singleplayer focused initially, because most of my best memories of the games come from playing the first with my brother couch co-op and the second with friends over calls, discussing builds, trying to break the game with broken synergies. I'm super glad we got what we did as it turned out to be one of the best roguelikes of all time!
The irony. I thought the pixel art of the first game was boring and uncreative for what pixel can do. Although ror2 used cell shading in a way that wasn’t new it uses a very clever colour pallet to create mood and atmosphere which fully took advantage of the cell shaded style.
I guess the saying goes "Don't knock it before you try it". I always like to think positively about what will happen to things in the future, as well as things going on now. There's too many negative voices out there, protesting against things that are honestly not as bad as people make them out to be...
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I'd love to see you cover Minecraft seeing as it's kinda like the biggest indie game in the world (it's not so much indie nowadays but it started that way)
I audibly screamed "nnooooOOOOOOOOOO" when I heard Gearbox is taking over the Risk of Rain IP. I honestly couldn't have ever asked for more from Hopoo than what we got in RoR2, so that will be my ultimate experience with the series. Gearbox (and more pressingly Randy Pitchford) will slaughter the soul of this series, I guarantee it. May time prove me wrong in the end but the moment they replace Chris as the composer, take off Commando's helmet, or make Artificer talk, you will know what kind of mistake was made here. Despite that, much love goes out to Hopoo Games and I'm looking forward to what they can bring out of the ether next.
what the fuck are you talking about that's the most delusional thing I've read all month. Slaughtering the soul? Guarantees? Replacing the composer? Taking off helmets? Giving them voices? _What the fuck are you talking about?_ Where do you think this is all coming from, if not from your own mind????
@@343JustMe Dude, the game had game breaking bugs, for console players it was unplayable for 3 days; one of the bugs deleted your save file. I'm glad they patched stuff, but the way the game was released is completely unacceptable, Gearbox or not.
@@hikarikouno no I completely agree for console it was literally unplayable and for PC it was at the very least unacceptable but people are treating it like the end of a game. There were game breaking bugs but that shit happens for renewing a codebase. As someone who played 20 hours of the new update I personally don't think it was nearly as bad as anyone made it seem to be. Streamers played the game just fine and so did I.
I remember the chucklefish stuff happening partly live, it was during the JSmith Super Stream (or the 52 hour stream for googling) in April 2013, where as the stream just went on and on without plan, eventually several indie devs (like Mike Bithell of Thomas was alone for example) just came on and talked or played stuff since the NLSS group was pretty in that scene. Near the end the RoR guys (and someone from Chuckelfish I believe) also came on and they said something to the effect of: "if you win/do good in this run now they are gonna publish this". Obviously the talks were probably already happening or had happened off stream but that was pretty sick. They also live read Pulp Fiction and Star Wars IV with everyone playing different characters, which included Mike Bithell and later the guy he was supposed to be in a meeting with at that point. Pretty memorable event for me in that eras indie scene, devs that showed up included: RoR devs of course (played on stream) (turns out this was during the kickstarter as well!) Chris Hecker (Spy Party which was quite new at that point) (played on stream with dev) Mike Maulbeck (Paranautical Activity) Jim Crawford (Frog Fractions) (played on stream with dev) MikeBithell (Thomas Was Alone) (played on stream with dev) David S. Gallant (I Get This Call Every Day) Rami Ismail of Vlambeer (Luftrausers, Nuclear Throne etc.) the Chasm dev (played on stream) (forgot the name whoops) and maybe the Legend of Dungeon dev as well but I'm not sure on that The Vods still exist and/or are downloadable, the RoR part is on 20h09m25s on the Part 4 twitch vod. Time to rewatch that whole thing again, what a great time oh man
i'm from the same game development community as hopoo and the earliest prototype i recall of what became RoR was a kind of 2D tower defense against a basic version of the magma worm. i remember they said the prototype was scrapped because this was one of the versions where the player had no reason to leave their "home". this was ~10 years ago so it'd be hard for me to verify how much of my memory is correct do a video about the making of vampire survivors!
Wonderful video! Always interesting to learn about development in games like this! Especially a game so close to me 23:50 though quick correction, the DLC SoTV was released in March 2022. The anniversary update was the one released in 2021.
Stellar video, as usual, Glen! Always look forward to your videos and you've introduced me to so many amazing indie game gems. Keep up the great work, my friend!
Glad to hear! I listen to a lot of your content on my bike rides then watch later. Your videos have really good flow and editing and you clearly put in a lot of work into research. I first found you when I was playing Stardew Valley and happened upon your video about Eric Barone and the games development. Appreciate your hard work and look forward to more content!
I think you shouldve at least mentioned the fact that the game was launched with a big trailer set exactly before the first big official news to borderlands 3 and the last borderlands 2 DLC at PAX east 2019 which was a GIGANTIC boost to popularity and honestly a genius move on gearbox's part in addition to the buy 1 get one free offer. This was a big reason why so many people that would usually not've paid too much attention to the game got hooked into it because everyone was waiting for a cool new looter shooter to play with their friends and guess what? They have to wait a little longer for BL3 but hey here is something to last you until then. I love ROR2 but i think when talking about its success this headstart has to be mentioned
I've been singing risk of rain's praise for years sucks that it took turning it into a 3d game to get people to notice........ also unpopular opinion risk of rain 1 is the better of the two, fight me!
Idk. I stand by their decision to sell ror. Considering that the assload of money gearbox probably offered money was split between like, 3 people, that money could probably send their great grandchildren to college, at the cost of just.. moving on from risk of rain to a new ip.
No word about the other 2 companies listed in risk of rain 2s credits? 14 game development people worked on it or helped and theyre just ignored? Why? I was not pleased by your video when i googled the games after watching to see these 3 hopoo devs miraculous artistic growth from 2d to 3d, and found out you were showing off art from a seperate concept artist! Trust in your videos for the actual story just dropped to zero.
What a episode, such nice story telling and imagery, I'm hard fan of the game seeing some of the art of the items and what they could've looked like was amazing
Actually, most of the unused content that You see through the video is used, just in a mod called Starstorm, wich is the biggest RoR mod to exist, almost being a RoR 1.5. If I remember correctly, part of the players that created that mod are now collaboring in the making of RoR returns, but I don't remember where do I readed it.
I remember seeing RoR2 get announced and thought it was an April fools joke, I couldn't wrap my head around how this incredible sidescroller roguelike would ever work in 3D then RoR2 came out and it's one of the greatest games I've ever played
Ah yes.. Gearbox & quality.. 2 years later no updates on console or pc. No news of dlcs, nor sequels. Nothing, risk of rain 2 as an ip just died overnight. Consoles still lacking the dlc and still running like ass and broken. And pc version only sort of alive thanks to somewhat limited mods Also people really hyped of the ror remake? Why? Blatant cashgrab and its noteven out yet
Ok let me help you out. If you were offered probably millions of dollars and the only catch was to sell the ip, you would do it, it doesn’t matter what you say, your would do it, and about the console situation, they have to rebuild the ENTIRE GAME from the ground up, it’s gonna be out this year in Q3 (so like 2-4 months from now) but I have to give gearbox some credit, you couldn’t rebuild a game as complex as ROR2, you probably don’t even know how to code, I’m 13 and i know that you can’t just say something without knowing anything about the subject. Do better. And do something productive with your life other than be mad at a gaming company that doesn’t care what you think. D o B e t t e r.
@@godlyvex5543 You obviously weren't part of the community through this. Nah. The sale was effectively a betrayal to the fanbase. It aint finished when something was supposed to release on all platforms simultaneously and then the IP is sold (or news of such is made public), with that something only getting released on anything except pc a year and a half later. It aint finished when all they do is talk about their excitement for the future of the game and then out of nowhere we get an announcement that the IP was sold and that Hopoo will have nothing to do with it anymore after a remake of the first installment.
@@yuugur666 I was playing risk of rain before risk of rain 2 ever came out. It's absurd to accuse me of not being a fan when clearly all you care about is finding reasons to be upset at the people who made the thing you cared about in the first place
@@godlyvex5543 And how active were you during the early access period and all of that? Because, frankly, if you dont see a lot of the issues that have caused this whole rift in the community, then the only answer I can think makes sense is that you werent an active part of the community or player of the game during this time, or you're literally just blind. Hopoo literally would have more respect from me if they had just said "we are burnt out and don't want to make this game anymore" and not done anything after. Instead they ruined a lot of their PR by selling it to a company people were already not happy with them working with, and has for the most part only done bad things for the game. When Hopoo says, in response to community fear, that gearbox is only a publishing partner and that Hopoo are the only people who choose the direction of the game. And then let a third party company ruin the console port And then let gearbox start doing dev work that makes the game worse And then sells the entire IP to gearbox and says they're washing their hands of the franchise after a remake of the first game, all while the dlc (which was supposed to release concurrently) still has no info in sight about the console release (a community that was already suffering due to their actions). No. I'm not "finding things to be mad about". Hopoo and gearbox have freely given us those things in spades.
The Risk of Rain 1 and 2 (and Returns now) are easily one of my favorite games in the genre and while I'm sad that now we have a soulless corpo known for bad monetization on their games handling the series, I can only wish the best for Duncan and Paul from now on and that we Chris can keep delivering some of my favorite pieces in gaming soundtrack.
Agreed. Happy for the devs, they deserve their success but I'm sad at what Gearbox apparently has planned for the series. At least we know whatever Hopoo chooses to do next will be an absolute banger
Hopoo moving on kind of worked out well for me and I assume many others, because it means that now I (and I assume I'm not alone in this) are now interested in following Hopoo on their journey and being *Hopoo* fans, instead of just being fans of one single IP.
Dude, I love this game so much! I bought it to 5 friends of mine to coerce them to play with me. I love the mistery, the pieces of lore, the soundtrack. Damn what a masterpiece. I felt betrayed by hoopoo when they sold the IP to gearbox though!
Lets be fair too them. They were offered LIFE changing money to be split between 4 people, and they have said that after SotV that they were done with the game. They wanted to move to a different IP, and that money would help A LOT. Anyone would have done it.
4:53 in risk of rain 2 I’ve had so many enemies spawn at once and then immediately die in a triple loop run it heavily lagged my series x. All part of the fun.
@@zieftheknight6061 that was the best loader run I’ve ever had. I had a setup where everything that went near me died instantly through a stupid combo of many ukes, much movement, unstable Tesla and several shaped glass
As much as I love RoR1&2 and Hopoo, I’m still pretty salty about the ridiculously long time us console players have waited to receive the latest RoR2 update. From what I understand, it wasn’t Hopoo’s fault but that of the studio tasked with the port and some unforeseen issues they encountered. I could be wrong on the exact details so don’t quote me on that. I got even more frustrated when they decided to announce the new RoR game being developed before giving us ANY news about the missing update. They eventually apologized and gave us an explanation about what happened but it was a bad look imo. Now it’s been over two years since the update was released on PC and we’re still waiting. I don’t want to sound like an entitled whiny gamer but I still think the whole thing could have been handled better.
@@moster1539 it's been nearly 2 years at this point (or closer to 2) and I also clearly state that I understand that it wasn't necessarily Hopoo's fault. Doesn't change the fact that all us console players are very annoyed over the situation. I'm guessing you're not one of us but I'm sure you'd understand if you put yourself in our shoes for a moment. I'm not being unreasonable. I still adore the franchise and by extension Hopoo for creating such a great series but this whole mess, however unforeseen or unintended is still a big disappointment in my opinion. My trust is unfortunately shaken and makes me weary of supporting future titles on PC or console for that reason.
I personally still believe selling the ip outright was a mistake. There would have been no problem with licensing gearbox to make games for them if they'd wanted.
This legit makes me want to get back into this. I bought it and only played a few times. Really loved the first game, but the 3D of the second didn't scratch the same itch for me at the time. Will have to reinstall.
@@riotfist9747 "Only" if you have friends. 2 fundamentally isn't designed in a way that meshes with a single player focus, 1 worked so well because the 2d environment ensured you were always aware of all possible threats and could react accordingly, you can't do that in 2 on your own because at any time you only see 180 degrees of vision.
@@Cr3zanthere is Audio, situational awareness, and passively gauging the aim of incoming projectiles in order to avoid them, i.e: not running over old paths too often. While yes, 3D makes it harder to see things in all degrees, there's other ways players can detect enemies. On the other hand: Line of Sight is far greater than in 2d, and the extra Axis gives more options for movement and evasion. I think Alloy Vultures are a solid example of this stuff. Every sound is distinct, every thrown feather of theirs takes time to travel, and even their wings make noise during flight. You can use these sounds and their last position for a mental image of where they might be at and where their feathers could be aimed on their flight path to you.
Selling it was fine, honestly. Selling it to Gearbox wasn't even a mistake on their end, cause money. Selling it to Gearbox, however, was the biggest betrayal I've ever felt from a company I loved, and gearbox has only proven it thusfar
still salty they never added mouse support to the original game. Kinda the only reason i haven't played it, but i've played Risk of Rain 2 quite a lot (and got Returns 2 days ago. It's pretty noice).
Chris Christodoulou on the music for these games, i dont think ever in the history of gaming, has there ever been a better idea hatched. He absolutely shreds every track he did. especially The song "The Rain" LOVE IT
From my experience with Game Maker and comparing it to Unity I'm not surprised that developing takes way more time in Unity even for a 2d game. 3d asset creation itself is also a can of worms compared to 2d. Much less intuitive.
Yeah, as someone who has modded that game quite a bit, I can see how it was originally built to let you play as enemies The entire character system is modularly built to easily allow for stuff like that
I hate how ten people making posts online can sound like hundreds more and give a false sense of the majority opinion. The music in ror2 is and always has been extremely well done. I played early access and own it on like 4 consoles. The game wouldn't be the same without the ost it has now.
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8:56 there's more to the story, which Chris explains in one of his Q&A videos. after agreeing to make music, Hopoo was still on the fence about what composer to hire on. initially they wanted several composers for variety. Chris instead emails Hopoo saying something along the lines of "Hey, I'm willing to do all the music, but you have to act fast because I have several job offers right now." he was bluffing, and Hopoo bought the bluff.
bro outplayed them and it was the best bluff ever to exist
Thank god he lied to them
Well hot damn… a fantastic composer and a smart business man.
Never heard this story before. Thanks for sharing!
best instance of fraud to ever exist
And thank goodness he did that, I can't imagine the series having any other lead composer
The decision to get Chris involved on the soundtrack was so important. He is to Hopoo what Darren Korb is to Supergiant 🔥
The worst part about that is the fact that now that gearbox owns the risk of rain IP, I'm pretty sure Chris said that he's done with the franchise.
Chris is the GOAT
Giving Chris almost free reign was also like, one of the best ideas ever.
@@huntish3760 wait for real?
@@huntish3760 he is still doing the music for risk of rain returns, but after that, all of hopoo is finished with the RoR franchise
its absurd that such a small team made this masterpiece. especially considering the music was just made by one guy? Its fucking perfect
Chris Christodoulou does not miss.
I remember when I first saw the second one was 3d, and I was like, "eehhhh Idk man, it's so good as 2d." And then I got it on a whim and they did it again! So hyped to see what they do next
'masterpiece' lmao
@@OrgusDin You are correct in calling them masterpieces.
Touhou
Getting recommended this after gearbox fucked everything up is very cruel
Fucking agree and i was looking forward to buying the game until i heard of the news and bugs with the recent update, very depressing
@@santakiller2gt489 game is still good, just don't get the latest dlc
@@santakiller2gt489 just turn back one update back and you will be fine.
@@krisg.6745 One small problem, most of the bugs aren't DLC-specific. The new content of the DLC itself is fine (a bit lackluster, but fine), the UPDATE that ADDED the DLC to the game screwed everything up. So even people who DON'T HAVE the DLC are affected. Steam players can thankfully downpatch, but console players are just screwed.
@@krisg.6745 The game has already received the Skyrim treatment luckily, there's a mod that fixes 95% of the bugs introduced by the latest DLC which is great for Steam players. Sucks that console players have been screwed though
Risk of rain is a game that I enjoy every month for a few hours with my friends.
same lol
I wish I could say the same on console (ps5), however idk if it's due to their servers but my mates & I get random disconnects and can't play longer than 40mins+ because everyone gets thrown back to the title screen. I really hope they come out with that 'Survivors of The Void' update that overhauls the game for us on console. I really love this game and I WANT to keep playing it, but it's just not as much fun playing alone..
@tobiasrex8052 risk of rain net code is very janky even on PC latest update. Enable steam/epic cross play completely breaks multi-player still now. So your not alone
One of my favorite games of all time. It's shocking to me how adept they were at programming and rapid iteration that they finished the first game as quickly as they did.
One year later and we discover that the sale of the IP to Gearbox was kind of a mistake.
I think we knew that from the start when they started focusing entirely on console ports...
I don't think them wanting to port it was the mistake in and of itself, but I'm sufe you're aware of all the things Gearbox has done, like genuinely making the game unplayable 💀
bold of them to assume GEARBOX of all companies would take care of their franchise lmao.
It's always interesting to see how games that hold titles of having incredible narratives, soundtrack, visual style, and unique gameplay are the result of some guys going "wouldn't it be cool if..."
RIp, first dlc after selling and you can clearly see the effect removing passionate developers have. Practically a case study on the matter.
Returns is being developed entirely in-house at Hopoo Games and was in development for years before the sale of the IP was fully considered or finalized. That said, it is published by Gearbox and so we have support for marketing, QA etc and obviously they're excited to be able to present our love letter to you all as well.
Is this a quote (?), or is your use of “we” referring to the community? I’m just confused on the context of your comment.
@@ViKODiN_ Just a real use of the word! I work on the game, you can find me in the credits of Risk 2 and Returns haha
Oh sweet!
That's great that you work on the game, i have 0 faith in gearbox though. Randy Pitchford kills every IP he purchases
25:34 this did not age well :(
Yeah.... Saddening. But that is how it goes. Letting things go means that you have less influence on how they change.
(And giving things to Gearbox appears to mean that it will change for the worse.)
Been a Hopoo fan ever since RoR1's launch, so I can't wait to see what the future holds for them
The future holds for them a Risk of Rain 1 Remake :)
@@Landjrin they're not the ones making it, smartass
dont you have a phone?
Risk of Rain Returns:
Well, dont you feel dumb huh?
Thank you for making another one of these amazing, interesting and useful videos. The summary of every point, listing every important detail and portraying the creators thoughts and emotions shows how dedicated you are. Every single minute of the video has high levels and research. I truly thank you for these videos and I hope you can continue to post videos in the future.
My pleasure and thank you very much for all the kind words! And no worries, more videos are coming!
@@ThatGuyGlendo ya like the ori games? The first one is ok to me but the sequel is soooooo much better
Hope the money was good and they are living the dream cause gearbox fd it up bad
Don't worry about that they shutting down as they have now been hired by Valve, easily the best game company to be an employee of. They fed their fans for the wolves and are living the dream
"How 2 Students let one of the best game series in 20 years get destroyed by Randy Pitchford and the Gearbox Decimation team"
Nice! Didn't expect this one, but as they say: "A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one!" Good job once again, research and editing is really good.
Much appreciated!
Yessss one of my favorite games ever!! I remember buying Risk of Rain 2 in early access and playing a bit of it, but it wasn't until 1.0 that I became absolutely obsessed with the game. Something about it just always grabs me back, and even after 2 years I still haven't gotten tired of it; especially with the modding community and DLC update. Such a fun and special game to me
This was such a great video!! Especially loved seeing all the unused content; and as someone who's played only a bit of ROR1, it was cool to see where it began!
Thank you very much, makes me happy to hear you liked it!
I remember playing the original Risk of Rain many years back on the ps4. Me, my dad, and a couple of my friends frequently enjoyed it for a long while. A few years later, I was browsing games on the ps store and found Risk of Rain 2. It was so exciting to see that they made a sequel to a game that I had already enjoyed so much. It's sad to see the harsh treatment RoR2 has been receiving when it comes to the console editions, but it is still a legendary game. I love playing games like this made by small teams, and seeing how it all happened.
Oh yeah the console version is terrible. It’s so broken and unfair with many glitches. At least I get the DLC’s on November 8th. I can ignore everything else
Is the console version really that bad? I play on console and haven’t encountered any significant bugs.
Is the console version really that bad? I play on console and haven’t encountered any significant bugs.
It's so interesting to hear about them being concerned if they could translate the first game into a 3D experience, simply because of our future knowledge and how much they knocked it out of the park. I remember seeing a PCGamer article posting the first screenshots they put out and being a bit skeptical, like "there is no way this can end well. where is all the pixel art soul? tsk." I guess 2017 me was a bit of a hater. 😹 It's also interesting to hear that they wanted the game to be singleplayer focused initially, because most of my best memories of the games come from playing the first with my brother couch co-op and the second with friends over calls, discussing builds, trying to break the game with broken synergies.
I'm super glad we got what we did as it turned out to be one of the best roguelikes of all time!
The irony. I thought the pixel art of the first game was boring and uncreative for what pixel can do. Although ror2 used cell shading in a way that wasn’t new it uses a very clever colour pallet to create mood and atmosphere which fully took advantage of the cell shaded style.
I guess the saying goes "Don't knock it before you try it". I always like to think positively about what will happen to things in the future, as well as things going on now. There's too many negative voices out there, protesting against things that are honestly not as bad as people make them out to be...
the 24:00 really hits hard now. Rip in pep
Risk of Rain 3 is gonna be in 4D.
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I'd love to see you cover Minecraft seeing as it's kinda like the biggest indie game in the world (it's not so much indie nowadays but it started that way)
@@kazukihiratani there are already a loooot of videos on it
Inscryption !
Back in the days I suggested Blasphemous. Time to renew this suggestion. :)
No its a good idea
Last bit didn't aged that well......
It’s interesting to note that the hero’s garb set is similar to what the heresy set ended up being.
Excellent mini-doc as always, Glen. Thanks for doing what you do!
My pleasure, glad to hear you liked it Ryan!
Now my boys work for Valve :) they triumphed in life.
I audibly screamed "nnooooOOOOOOOOOO" when I heard Gearbox is taking over the Risk of Rain IP. I honestly couldn't have ever asked for more from Hopoo than what we got in RoR2, so that will be my ultimate experience with the series. Gearbox (and more pressingly Randy Pitchford) will slaughter the soul of this series, I guarantee it. May time prove me wrong in the end but the moment they replace Chris as the composer, take off Commando's helmet, or make Artificer talk, you will know what kind of mistake was made here.
Despite that, much love goes out to Hopoo Games and I'm looking forward to what they can bring out of the ether next.
Chris won't be working on any more RoR content after RoRR, though. He's been working with Hopoo all this time, not with Gearbox
what the fuck are you talking about
that's the most delusional thing I've read all month. Slaughtering the soul? Guarantees? Replacing the composer? Taking off helmets? Giving them voices? _What the fuck are you talking about?_ Where do you think this is all coming from, if not from your own mind????
It's hilarious and insanely sad at the same time that your (and others') worst nightmares eventually came true
Too bad they sold the fuck out to gearbox. The game is absolute dogshit now
At least RoR1 still works and is fun
downpatch if youre on steam
I can't wait for the remake but I also can't wait to see what new games they bring to the table.
this aged well, gearbox truly ruined the game 😢
No they didn't
So tired of people saying this. It’s still the same game, and 80% of the bugs got patched today
@@loch1694 for real, people are exaggerating so hard and if it wasn't for the gearbox name the reactions wouldn't be NEARLY as bad as it is
@@343JustMe Dude, the game had game breaking bugs, for console players it was unplayable for 3 days; one of the bugs deleted your save file. I'm glad they patched stuff, but the way the game was released is completely unacceptable, Gearbox or not.
@@hikarikouno no I completely agree for console it was literally unplayable and for PC it was at the very least unacceptable but people are treating it like the end of a game.
There were game breaking bugs but that shit happens for renewing a codebase. As someone who played 20 hours of the new update I personally don't think it was nearly as bad as anyone made it seem to be. Streamers played the game just fine and so did I.
Ill never forgive them for selling the ip, so disloyal to their initial fan base.
iirc they work for valve now as of recent.
Your videos are top-tier, always love to see how you adapt the editing style to each game you decide to cover
Thank you very much! It’s great fun for myself to come up with new ways to edit the videos so I’m glad people like it :D
I remember the chucklefish stuff happening partly live, it was during the JSmith Super Stream (or the 52 hour stream for googling) in April 2013, where as the stream just went on and on without plan, eventually several indie devs (like Mike Bithell of Thomas was alone for example) just came on and talked or played stuff since the NLSS group was pretty in that scene.
Near the end the RoR guys (and someone from Chuckelfish I believe) also came on and they said something to the effect of: "if you win/do good in this run now they are gonna publish this". Obviously the talks were probably already happening or had happened off stream but that was pretty sick.
They also live read Pulp Fiction and Star Wars IV with everyone playing different characters, which included Mike Bithell and later the guy he was supposed to be in a meeting with at that point.
Pretty memorable event for me in that eras indie scene, devs that showed up included:
RoR devs of course (played on stream) (turns out this was during the kickstarter as well!)
Chris Hecker (Spy Party which was quite new at that point) (played on stream with dev)
Mike Maulbeck (Paranautical Activity)
Jim Crawford (Frog Fractions) (played on stream with dev)
MikeBithell (Thomas Was Alone) (played on stream with dev)
David S. Gallant (I Get This Call Every Day)
Rami Ismail of Vlambeer (Luftrausers, Nuclear Throne etc.)
the Chasm dev (played on stream) (forgot the name whoops)
and maybe the Legend of Dungeon dev as well but I'm not sure on that
The Vods still exist and/or are downloadable, the RoR part is on 20h09m25s on the Part 4 twitch vod.
Time to rewatch that whole thing again, what a great time oh man
i'm from the same game development community as hopoo and the earliest prototype i recall of what became RoR was a kind of 2D tower defense against a basic version of the magma worm. i remember they said the prototype was scrapped because this was one of the versions where the player had no reason to leave their "home". this was ~10 years ago so it'd be hard for me to verify how much of my memory is correct
do a video about the making of vampire survivors!
Vampire Survivors is on my list ;)
Wonderful video! Always interesting to learn about development in games like this! Especially a game so close to me
23:50 though quick correction, the DLC SoTV was released in March 2022. The anniversary update was the one released in 2021.
Much appreciated! And dammit, mixed up my update dates :P
Stellar video, as usual, Glen! Always look forward to your videos and you've introduced me to so many amazing indie game gems. Keep up the great work, my friend!
Thank you for all the kind words, Brett! And thank you very much for the donations, really really appreciate that! More videos are coming :D
Glad to hear! I listen to a lot of your content on my bike rides then watch later. Your videos have really good flow and editing and you clearly put in a lot of work into research. I first found you when I was playing Stardew Valley and happened upon your video about Eric Barone and the games development. Appreciate your hard work and look forward to more content!
Ur so underrated man! With this amazing content quality you really deserve 10mil by this point. As always, keep up the outstanding work!
Thank you very much for the kind words!
I think you shouldve at least mentioned the fact that the game was launched with a big trailer set exactly before the first big official news to borderlands 3 and the last borderlands 2 DLC at PAX east 2019 which was a GIGANTIC boost to popularity and honestly a genius move on gearbox's part in addition to the buy 1 get one free offer. This was a big reason why so many people that would usually not've paid too much attention to the game got hooked into it because everyone was waiting for a cool new looter shooter to play with their friends and guess what? They have to wait a little longer for BL3 but hey here is something to last you until then. I love ROR2 but i think when talking about its success this headstart has to be mentioned
I'm so in love with this game and super appreciate the development deep-dive! Really great to learn more abt this masterpiece
Glad to hear it!
Ok so listen, what if we put Deadbolt in space, but with no doors and skills?
This didn’t age too well…
I've been singing risk of rain's praise for years sucks that it took turning it into a 3d game to get people to notice........ also unpopular opinion risk of rain 1 is the better of the two, fight me!
hello from the future to answer the question no it was not in good hands rejoice for mobile gaming
Idk. I stand by their decision to sell ror. Considering that the assload of money gearbox probably offered money was split between like, 3 people, that money could probably send their great grandchildren to college, at the cost of just.. moving on from risk of rain to a new ip.
How many times is the thumbnail gonna change it's making me trip out ;-;
Got u chat. Sold game so they can make more games. Oo snap
U don’t gotta watch vid. Ur welcome
No word about the other 2 companies listed in risk of rain 2s credits? 14 game development people worked on it or helped and theyre just ignored? Why? I was not pleased by your video when i googled the games after watching to see these 3 hopoo devs miraculous artistic growth from 2d to 3d, and found out you were showing off art from a seperate concept artist! Trust in your videos for the actual story just dropped to zero.
Tldr: MONEY
What a episode, such nice story telling and imagery, I'm hard fan of the game seeing some of the art of the items and what they could've looked like was amazing
Glad to hear you enjoyed the video!
Actually, most of the unused content that You see through the video is used, just in a mod called Starstorm, wich is the biggest RoR mod to exist, almost being a RoR 1.5.
If I remember correctly, part of the players that created that mod are now collaboring in the making of RoR returns, but I don't remember where do I readed it.
@@pixavier9746 being used in a mod is not the same thing, im familiar with the mod as I played it myself but I was talking about the ror2 item sprites
@@HallowedPurple oh, faur enough
watching this after gearbox bought the rights and damn i miss them
As much as I love the ror games having played all 3 now I still wish deadbolt got some more recognition. :(
idk why anyone is confident gearbox will handle this well theyve basically run borderlands into the dirt
I remember seeing RoR2 get announced and thought it was an April fools joke, I couldn't wrap my head around how this incredible sidescroller roguelike would ever work in 3D then RoR2 came out and it's one of the greatest games I've ever played
RoR1 has the best video game soundtrack of all time.
Providence 3D model??? We getting his story as DLC maybe???
Genuinely who wouldn't sell their up for that kind of money, like that's life changing money right there
Ah yes.. Gearbox & quality..
2 years later no updates on console or pc. No news of dlcs, nor sequels. Nothing, risk of rain 2 as an ip just died overnight.
Consoles still lacking the dlc and still running like ass and broken.
And pc version only sort of alive thanks to somewhat limited mods
Also people really hyped of the ror remake? Why? Blatant cashgrab and its noteven out yet
Ok let me help you out. If you were offered probably millions of dollars and the only catch was to sell the ip, you would do it, it doesn’t matter what you say, your would do it, and about the console situation, they have to rebuild the ENTIRE GAME from the ground up, it’s gonna be out this year in Q3 (so like 2-4 months from now) but I have to give gearbox some credit, you couldn’t rebuild a game as complex as ROR2, you probably don’t even know how to code, I’m 13 and i know that you can’t just say something without knowing anything about the subject. Do better. And do something productive with your life other than be mad at a gaming company that doesn’t care what you think. D o B e t t e r.
Risk of rain ip has been burried for 3 months now. Stop huffin copium its bad for you
It's dead jim
"2 years later"
*2 sentences later*
"died overnight"
make up your mind
"keeping coop servers busy" what servers? did you even play the game lol
Nice
Looking forward to Risk of Rain 3 in 4D!! Great video btw.
1:30 they were able to identify and deny skill-based match-making better in their first project than cod has in the last decade.
no matter the reasons, or the personal gain, it sucks that they abandoned ROR2 in the state it was left in....
What, finished? I think that's how development works. You finish something, then move on. Phrasing that as "abandoning" is needlessly disrespectful.
@@godlyvex5543 You obviously weren't part of the community through this. Nah. The sale was effectively a betrayal to the fanbase.
It aint finished when something was supposed to release on all platforms simultaneously and then the IP is sold (or news of such is made public), with that something only getting released on anything except pc a year and a half later.
It aint finished when all they do is talk about their excitement for the future of the game and then out of nowhere we get an announcement that the IP was sold and that Hopoo will have nothing to do with it anymore after a remake of the first installment.
@@yuugur666 I was playing risk of rain before risk of rain 2 ever came out. It's absurd to accuse me of not being a fan when clearly all you care about is finding reasons to be upset at the people who made the thing you cared about in the first place
@@godlyvex5543 And how active were you during the early access period and all of that? Because, frankly, if you dont see a lot of the issues that have caused this whole rift in the community, then the only answer I can think makes sense is that you werent an active part of the community or player of the game during this time, or you're literally just blind.
Hopoo literally would have more respect from me if they had just said "we are burnt out and don't want to make this game anymore" and not done anything after. Instead they ruined a lot of their PR by selling it to a company people were already not happy with them working with, and has for the most part only done bad things for the game.
When Hopoo says, in response to community fear, that gearbox is only a publishing partner and that Hopoo are the only people who choose the direction of the game.
And then let a third party company ruin the console port
And then let gearbox start doing dev work that makes the game worse
And then sells the entire IP to gearbox and says they're washing their hands of the franchise after a remake of the first game, all while the dlc (which was supposed to release concurrently) still has no info in sight about the console release (a community that was already suffering due to their actions).
No. I'm not "finding things to be mad about". Hopoo and gearbox have freely given us those things in spades.
The Risk of Rain 1 and 2 (and Returns now) are easily one of my favorite games in the genre and while I'm sad that now we have a soulless corpo known for bad monetization on their games handling the series, I can only wish the best for Duncan and Paul from now on and that we Chris can keep delivering some of my favorite pieces in gaming soundtrack.
Agreed. Happy for the devs, they deserve their success but I'm sad at what Gearbox apparently has planned for the series. At least we know whatever Hopoo chooses to do next will be an absolute banger
Hopoo moving on kind of worked out well for me and I assume many others, because it means that now I (and I assume I'm not alone in this) are now interested in following Hopoo on their journey and being *Hopoo* fans, instead of just being fans of one single IP.
Dude, I love this game so much! I bought it to 5 friends of mine to coerce them to play with me.
I love the mistery, the pieces of lore, the soundtrack. Damn what a masterpiece. I felt betrayed by hoopoo when they sold the IP to gearbox though!
Lets be fair too them. They were offered LIFE changing money to be split between 4 people, and they have said that after SotV that they were done with the game. They wanted to move to a different IP, and that money would help A LOT. Anyone would have done it.
@@teddybearkiller1360 Fair enough. Would love to see more characters and stages. Lets hope gearbox keep up the good work.
@@marcosousa4029hopefully gearbox will release survivors of the void on console
4:53 in risk of rain 2 I’ve had so many enemies spawn at once and then immediately die in a triple loop run it heavily lagged my series x. All part of the fun.
Triple loop? Bro I can't even do one loop
@@zieftheknight6061 that was the best loader run I’ve ever had. I had a setup where everything that went near me died instantly through a stupid combo of many ukes, much movement, unstable Tesla and several shaped glass
Bro bring hopoo back please
Selling to Gearbox will be the worst thing they could have done
they may have dodged a bullet with not letting chucklefish publish
Bring back hopoo.
These guys are geniuses man
D:
Risk of rain is a type of game "the better you are, the greater the risk of your graphics card being destroyed"
Many enemies on the screen and proceed to destroy all of them and you just wondering there, what the hell is going on here?
I still remember when ROR 2 came out with the buy one get 1 for a friend in 2019 early access
As much as I love RoR1&2 and Hopoo, I’m still pretty salty about the ridiculously long time us console players have waited to receive the latest RoR2 update. From what I understand, it wasn’t Hopoo’s fault but that of the studio tasked with the port and some unforeseen issues they encountered. I could be wrong on the exact details so don’t quote me on that. I got even more frustrated when they decided to announce the new RoR game being developed before giving us ANY news about the missing update. They eventually apologized and gave us an explanation about what happened but it was a bad look imo.
Now it’s been over two years since the update was released on PC and we’re still waiting. I don’t want to sound like an entitled whiny gamer but I still think the whole thing could have been handled better.
It's been 1 year not 2 and hopoo has never been in charge of the console ports
@@moster1539 it's been nearly 2 years at this point (or closer to 2) and I also clearly state that I understand that it wasn't necessarily Hopoo's fault.
Doesn't change the fact that all us console players are very annoyed over the situation. I'm guessing you're not one of us but I'm sure you'd understand if you put yourself in our shoes for a moment.
I'm not being unreasonable. I still adore the franchise and by extension Hopoo for creating such a great series but this whole mess, however unforeseen or unintended is still a big disappointment in my opinion. My trust is unfortunately shaken and makes me weary of supporting future titles on PC or console for that reason.
rip ror
Wow this came at the perfect time for me. I just started playing both games literally yesterday and was already watching this channel.
I personally still believe selling the ip outright was a mistake. There would have been no problem with licensing gearbox to make games for them if they'd wanted.
This legit makes me want to get back into this. I bought it and only played a few times. Really loved the first game, but the 3D of the second didn't scratch the same itch for me at the time. Will have to reinstall.
Please do, it's so worth it. Especially if you have friends.
@@riotfist9747oof
@@riotfist9747 "Only" if you have friends. 2 fundamentally isn't designed in a way that meshes with a single player focus, 1 worked so well because the 2d environment ensured you were always aware of all possible threats and could react accordingly, you can't do that in 2 on your own because at any time you only see 180 degrees of vision.
@@Cr3zanthere is Audio, situational awareness, and passively gauging the aim of incoming projectiles in order to avoid them, i.e: not running over old paths too often.
While yes, 3D makes it harder to see things in all degrees, there's other ways players can detect enemies.
On the other hand: Line of Sight is far greater than in 2d, and the extra Axis gives more options for movement and evasion.
I think Alloy Vultures are a solid example of this stuff.
Every sound is distinct, every thrown feather of theirs takes time to travel, and even their wings make noise during flight.
You can use these sounds and their last position for a mental image of where they might be at and where their feathers could be aimed on their flight path to you.
Too bad Gearbox owns it and STILL hasn't released the DLC for 2 on console...
Yeah, the 3D trailer was cool, but you know what's even cooler? These animated trailers, I wanna cartoon wa
Selling the rights to the IP is probably the biggest mistake they could've ever done.
Why?
Selling it was fine, honestly. Selling it to Gearbox wasn't even a mistake on their end, cause money. Selling it to Gearbox, however, was the biggest betrayal I've ever felt from a company I loved, and gearbox has only proven it thusfar
cry. It's not a mistake, it's not a fact. It's only your opinion
perfect timing XD as I'm sitting at my desk working on my own roguelike game this video shows up :) about one of my fav roguelikes ever. Thank you o/
My pleasure, good luck with your roguelike game!
I would absolutely love another 2d risk of rain T-T
I would consider Returns another 2d version.
still salty they never added mouse support to the original game. Kinda the only reason i haven't played it, but i've played Risk of Rain 2 quite a lot (and got Returns 2 days ago. It's pretty noice).
Chris Christodoulou on the music for these games, i dont think ever in the history of gaming, has there ever been a better idea hatched. He absolutely shreds every track he did. especially The song "The Rain" LOVE IT
"Van-gellis." LOL, great pronunciation.
And we have gacha games out of it, GG
Like most modern games, I'd never heard of it. I'll have to give it a shot next time my schedule clears up, because it looks fun.
I fell in love with the second, I have yet to try the first
Damn!! Another game that's been on my list but never played. Definitely need to get on with it. This sounds awesome!! I love the shift from 2D to 3D!
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A successful crowd funded game, nice to to them go well once in awhile
From my experience with Game Maker and comparing it to Unity I'm not surprised that developing takes way more time in Unity even for a 2d game. 3d asset creation itself is also a can of worms compared to 2d. Much less intuitive.
Risk of Rain 2 is one of the best games ever made
Yeah, as someone who has modded that game quite a bit, I can see how it was originally built to let you play as enemies
The entire character system is modularly built to easily allow for stuff like that
Really cool to see you cover risk of ran o7. Love the game. Nice video
Thanks, glad to hear you like it!
so sad that gearbox owns the ip now. RIP ROR2
I hate how ten people making posts online can sound like hundreds more and give a false sense of the majority opinion. The music in ror2 is and always has been extremely well done. I played early access and own it on like 4 consoles. The game wouldn't be the same without the ost it has now.