Rebuilding my 2010 Redline Roam, I started out with a 13t DNP freewheel. I kept hearing popping from the chain and eventually the "U" shaped clip for the master link fell off. The partial "teeth" on either of the actual teeth on the freewheel would catch on the clip and bend it more each revolution. Perhaps this is because the freewheel is 3/32" and the chain(and sprocket) is 1/8", but I would think this freewheel would be aimed towards single speed BMX bikes. Using E-clips on the master link solved the problem, but I ended up swapping in the Odyssey, which has been working well so far without modifications.
Most freewheels and rear cogs are 3/32, and most sprockets are 1/8. Doesn't make sense to me at all. Some bigger sprockets, mainly for racing, are 3/32, probably so they are lighter paired with a 3/32 chain. But yah as long as your chain is 1/8 you should be fine. I've heard from many that DNP isn't that good, but I have them on three bikes with no issues. I also have an Excess which has been good, and a Ride Out Supply which is my favorite.
Cassette hubs should have the cog installed already, and most of them do not have options to change with a different size. They're used a lot on 20" modern bmx bikes.
Same experience concerning freewheel not matching tool. My Fairdale Taj (2022) came with a no name freewheel that I had to dremel a Park Tool remover to actually fit. I’m new to BMX components, is this lack of QC common? Or is it more a matter of moving on to newer tech drivers and saying fuck the old school?
My Taj had a DNP freewheel, which has 8 notches I think? But both my regular 4-notch and 8-notch freewheel removal tools fit fine. However, your freewheel might have been a different company or fit. The best tip I've got for getting off stubborn freewheels is to use a breaker bar for leverage - leave the tire on the wheel, brace between body and a wall edge, and use the leverage.
@@TuesdaysTurn Yeah, leverage wasn’t the issue, both the Park and the freewheel were 4 notch yet the freewheel was nowhere near the right dimension to fit the tool, I had to dremel the tool down in circumference and notch width. This IS the right tool for the application, the Park FR-8.
@@88sstraight It sounds like you had the wrong size. The bigger freewheel removal tool is for sizes 16t and up. The removal tool for 15t, 14t and 13t is considerably smaller.
I've been using the DNP for almost two years and it's still going strong. Something in my drive train on the bike with the 13t DNP is starting to feel a little off. I think it might be the freewheel. Several people have told me DNP is junk, but if I get 2+ years out of a $15 freewheel, all good imo
For the freewheels in this video, yes. I can't speak to all of them. I'm sure you know the standard freewheel tools are bigger than these smaller M30 ones.
sir this hub can fit to the Fire Eye Excelerant RS14FW Rear Hub the freewheel one the old model of fireeye i hope i can send u the picture so you can see it .I was planning to buy one DNP 13 teeth or the 14 teeth i not sure cant be fit the my fireeye hub.
I found two bike builds online with this hub (supposedly). One said they had a 13t freewheel (no photo) and the other said 18t freewheel (photo but it was far away and I couldn't confirm). One of them is wrong. 13t, 14t, 15t uses smaller metric M30 threading. 16t, 17t, and 18t use bigger hub threading 1.375x24tpi. Sorry, I can't determine which it has.
I found out a tip for you, if you already have the hub, measure the threading. The hub threads for the smaller freewheels (13, 14, 15) should be around 29mm diameter. The hub threads diameter for the bigger freewheels (16, 17, 18) should be around 34mm. I'll try to post a link.
I mentioned the resolution in the video. The tool was not machined properly. The business owner said 'that happens' and 'you just have to make it work' .. I said nope, and returned them both.
I heard and saw videos of bad reviews on the Odyssey free will I could have told you that that's not the one you want to get did not new dnp had a 13 tooth and in Chrome looks the same like an ACS put on the website they only had the ACs in Odyssey to choose from I want the ACs I haven't had an issue or problem I really do like it smooth ride
The ACS looked and felt nice, so I hope you have good luck with it. The only problem was the removal tool did not fit like it should. The BMX shop owner said if I "grinded down the edges of the tool a bit, it should fit" but I just returned it instead.
The Odyssey 13t freewheel comes stock on some pretty expensive bikes. like the Sunday High C, so I believe it's a good freewheel. I've never heard anything bad about it. I kept it, so if I ever need another one, I will install the Odyssey.
None that I know of. For 15t, there is Ride Out Supply ROS or Origin8 Hornet. I don't know any loud 13t or 14t freewheels. But if you want to spend a lot of money, you can get a cassette hub that takes different size cogs, like a Profile hub.
Your frame will dictate how big your sprocket can be. You'll need to ask a local bike shop to look at your bike if you're unsure. The bigger the sprocket, the harder it is to pedal and the faster you can go, potentially. The rear end is the opposite, so the bigger the freewheel the easier to pedal and slower you will go.
I Googled this bike, and I could not find any specs on the freewheel, sorry. There are several RUclips videos for this bike, so I would ask some of them. Good luck
The odyssey is the best one hands down, that junk dnp is saturated in oil because they are mass produced with cheap Chinese metals and sit around a long time and the crap oil prevents rust thats all, the first time it gets wet that dnp will rust up along with the other brand!!! Odyssey all day
They don't make a 13t, 14t, or 15t that I know. I also checked their website, and the smallest on there is a 16t. I would love a high quality 13t freewheel made in the USA, but I have not found one. This video is simply a comparison of some of the cheaper/smaller options. Cheers
@@TuesdaysTurn sorry, I should have realized that. I did enjoy the video. I came across the DNP on ebay, and looked for a review. I ride a single speed, with 46-18. Started out with a Shimano MX30 freewheel, but hated it. It clunked. And wasn't that cheap. So changed to White Industries, riding it 7 years already. It's getting a little worn ...
@@freekfaro5606 If I had a bigger sprocket, I would absolutely get a bigger, higher quality freewheel. This bike came stock with a 28t sprocket, and I changed it to 30t. The frame doesn't allow for much bigger without using a spacer and possibly running into chain alignment issues. So far, I'm actually happy with this one, so if it has to be replaced in a couple years, it's only like $15 or even less if you buy it from China.
That Odyssey freewheel doesn't fit nowhere, it has a very odd size, it says that is intended for 'flip-flop hubs' so it's not standard. I ordered it and didn't work
It fits the SMALLER size of a flip-flop hub, which is M30 threading for 13t, 14t, and 15t typically. The bigger size of a flip-flop hub is the 'standard' freewheel size (16t, 17t, 18t) is 1.375" x 24tpi threading. So the 13t Odyssey freewheel will only fit on the smaller M30 side, and I did check that myself. Cheers
I found out that Profile makes a quality hub with changeable cogs. If I ever built a custom wheel, that's the way I would go if the budget permitted. With that said, I've put at least 100 miles on this DNP and it's going great.
@@TuesdaysTurn that's was up but that involves the hole hub and all lol I feel like bike companies should make better quality freewheels people will pay for it.
Thanks man, I was trying to find a video and couldn't and plus this video is relatively recent so thanks
Yes! Let me know if you have any questions. You probably already know, but make sure your hub can fit the freewheel you want to buy. Cheers
I just ordered that Odyssey. Thanks for the video!
This was handy. I did not know what a freewheel was. My mtb parts knowledge is not useful in the bmx ecosystem.
so much helpful information in this video thank you very much
Rebuilding my 2010 Redline Roam, I started out with a 13t DNP freewheel. I kept hearing popping from the chain and eventually the "U" shaped clip for the master link fell off. The partial "teeth" on either of the actual teeth on the freewheel would catch on the clip and bend it more each revolution. Perhaps this is because the freewheel is 3/32" and the chain(and sprocket) is 1/8", but I would think this freewheel would be aimed towards single speed BMX bikes. Using E-clips on the master link solved the problem, but I ended up swapping in the Odyssey, which has been working well so far without modifications.
Most freewheels and rear cogs are 3/32, and most sprockets are 1/8. Doesn't make sense to me at all. Some bigger sprockets, mainly for racing, are 3/32, probably so they are lighter paired with a 3/32 chain. But yah as long as your chain is 1/8 you should be fine. I've heard from many that DNP isn't that good, but I have them on three bikes with no issues. I also have an Excess which has been good, and a Ride Out Supply which is my favorite.
The parts spec on the website says it is a cassette rear hub. Now I don’t know if I need a freewheel or a cog.
Cassette hubs should have the cog installed already, and most of them do not have options to change with a different size. They're used a lot on 20" modern bmx bikes.
Same experience concerning freewheel not matching tool. My Fairdale Taj (2022) came with a no name freewheel that I had to dremel a Park Tool remover to actually fit. I’m new to BMX components, is this lack of QC common? Or is it more a matter of moving on to newer tech drivers and saying fuck the old school?
My Taj had a DNP freewheel, which has 8 notches I think? But both my regular 4-notch and 8-notch freewheel removal tools fit fine. However, your freewheel might have been a different company or fit. The best tip I've got for getting off stubborn freewheels is to use a breaker bar for leverage - leave the tire on the wheel, brace between body and a wall edge, and use the leverage.
@@TuesdaysTurn Yeah, leverage wasn’t the issue, both the Park and the freewheel were 4 notch yet the freewheel was nowhere near the right dimension to fit the tool, I had to dremel the tool down in circumference and notch width. This IS the right tool for the application, the Park FR-8.
@@88sstraight It sounds like you had the wrong size. The bigger freewheel removal tool is for sizes 16t and up. The removal tool for 15t, 14t and 13t is considerably smaller.
@@TuesdaysTurn nope, you're thinking of the FR-6 which is the bigger one and designed for imperial threads, not metric
@@88sstraight Has nothing to do with the threads, just the size. This tool should fit: DNP small tool (for 13T/14T/15T single speed freewheel)
I don't know about that acs and dnp. But i use to have a 13t odyssey lhd. I used it from 2009 to 2020.
I've been using the DNP for almost two years and it's still going strong. Something in my drive train on the bike with the 13t DNP is starting to feel a little off. I think it might be the freewheel. Several people have told me DNP is junk, but if I get 2+ years out of a $15 freewheel, all good imo
Can you use a standard 4 spline tool to remove the 8 spline ?
For the freewheels in this video, yes. I can't speak to all of them. I'm sure you know the standard freewheel tools are bigger than these smaller M30 ones.
sir this hub can fit to the Fire Eye Excelerant RS14FW Rear Hub the freewheel one the old model of fireeye i hope i can send u the picture so you can see it .I was planning to buy one DNP 13 teeth or the 14 teeth i not sure cant be fit the my fireeye hub.
I found two bike builds online with this hub (supposedly). One said they had a 13t freewheel (no photo) and the other said 18t freewheel (photo but it was far away and I couldn't confirm). One of them is wrong. 13t, 14t, 15t uses smaller metric M30 threading. 16t, 17t, and 18t use bigger hub threading 1.375x24tpi. Sorry, I can't determine which it has.
I found out a tip for you, if you already have the hub, measure the threading. The hub threads for the smaller freewheels (13, 14, 15) should be around 29mm diameter. The hub threads diameter for the bigger freewheels (16, 17, 18) should be around 34mm. I'll try to post a link.
www.amazon.com/DRIFT-MANIAC-Single-Freewheel-Molybdenum/dp/B07S81CC6G/
@@TuesdaysTurn think u so much sir for the info love it 👍👍 hopefully this available in the Philippines
@@sherdeanllamas6234 check AliExpress
This is a good tutorial! Nown brands or expensive is not always a good choice overall i think the cheap one is better
What wad the issue of the tool not fitting well
I mentioned the resolution in the video. The tool was not machined properly. The business owner said 'that happens' and 'you just have to make it work' .. I said nope, and returned them both.
I heard and saw videos of bad reviews on the Odyssey free will I could have told you that that's not the one you want to get did not new dnp had a 13 tooth and in Chrome looks the same like an ACS put on the website they only had the ACs in Odyssey to choose from I want the ACs I haven't had an issue or problem I really do like it smooth ride
The ACS looked and felt nice, so I hope you have good luck with it. The only problem was the removal tool did not fit like it should. The BMX shop owner said if I "grinded down the edges of the tool a bit, it should fit" but I just returned it instead.
The Odyssey 13t freewheel comes stock on some pretty expensive bikes. like the Sunday High C, so I believe it's a good freewheel. I've never heard anything bad about it. I kept it, so if I ever need another one, I will install the Odyssey.
@@TuesdaysTurn Same here, the odyssey on my high c runs nice&smooth.
So what's the loudest 13T that's currently available?
None that I know of. For 15t, there is Ride Out Supply ROS or Origin8 Hornet. I don't know any loud 13t or 14t freewheels. But if you want to spend a lot of money, you can get a cassette hub that takes different size cogs, like a Profile hub.
@@TuesdaysTurn cheers, local shop said something very similar
how many tooth on a sprocket will work using a rear 13 tooth hub
Your frame will dictate how big your sprocket can be. You'll need to ask a local bike shop to look at your bike if you're unsure. The bigger the sprocket, the harder it is to pedal and the faster you can go, potentially. The rear end is the opposite, so the bigger the freewheel the easier to pedal and slower you will go.
27 is a good size for 13
More like a 37t@MaxPowersUltra
Brother I have a fire fox skull bmx can this freewheel be fit in my bmx?
I Googled this bike, and I could not find any specs on the freewheel, sorry. There are several RUclips videos for this bike, so I would ask some of them. Good luck
The odyssey is the best one hands down, that junk dnp is saturated in oil because they are mass produced with cheap Chinese metals and sit around a long time and the crap oil prevents rust thats all, the first time it gets wet that dnp will rust up along with the other brand!!! Odyssey all day
Verry nice
Get a White Industries sealed bearing freewheel and you get quality. Instead of those. Far better sound too.
They don't make a 13t, 14t, or 15t that I know. I also checked their website, and the smallest on there is a 16t. I would love a high quality 13t freewheel made in the USA, but I have not found one. This video is simply a comparison of some of the cheaper/smaller options. Cheers
@@TuesdaysTurn sorry, I should have realized that. I did enjoy the video. I came across the DNP on ebay, and looked for a review. I ride a single speed, with 46-18. Started out with a Shimano MX30 freewheel, but hated it. It clunked. And wasn't that cheap. So changed to White Industries, riding it 7 years already. It's getting a little worn ...
@@freekfaro5606 If I had a bigger sprocket, I would absolutely get a bigger, higher quality freewheel. This bike came stock with a 28t sprocket, and I changed it to 30t. The frame doesn't allow for much bigger without using a spacer and possibly running into chain alignment issues. So far, I'm actually happy with this one, so if it has to be replaced in a couple years, it's only like $15 or even less if you buy it from China.
Odyssey. Best 13 t
The one with the play will probably brake.
It's been almost a year, riding with it frequently, and no issues at all!
I broke a Token Alloy freewheel in half after 500km with reasonable climbs and trails. Worst money can buy. I wish I could get a refund
That Odyssey freewheel doesn't fit nowhere, it has a very odd size, it says that is intended for 'flip-flop hubs' so it's not standard. I ordered it and didn't work
It fits the SMALLER size of a flip-flop hub, which is M30 threading for 13t, 14t, and 15t typically. The bigger size of a flip-flop hub is the 'standard' freewheel size (16t, 17t, 18t) is 1.375" x 24tpi threading. So the 13t Odyssey freewheel will only fit on the smaller M30 side, and I did check that myself. Cheers
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ACS made in china but disguised made in USA 🤣
Truth is all these smaller tooth freewheels are shit, they need to make high end quality freewheels starting from 12t and up
I found out that Profile makes a quality hub with changeable cogs. If I ever built a custom wheel, that's the way I would go if the budget permitted. With that said, I've put at least 100 miles on this DNP and it's going great.
@@TuesdaysTurn that's was up but that involves the hole hub and all lol I feel like bike companies should make better quality freewheels people will pay for it.
@@indigneouschupacabra43 absolutely.. I would definitely pay $60 for a good quality 12t freewheel, for example, maybe even more.
@@TuesdaysTurn I hear you man I would too i use a 16t freewheel, costed me 80$ the clicks on that freewheel man can't even explain.
@@indigneouschupacabra43 What kind of you running buddy?