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I think this could mean the end of a LOT of multiplayer games. Imagine you are in a server queue in a game like the Isle or something just WAITING to play then you find out like 30 of those players aren't even real people enjoying the game it's just AI farming or growing or something for people.
I imagine it the other way of humans fighting against AI in competent PVE games where AI can think and not just throw bodies or rely on cheating.
@@bokc_nonpopularsalt1011I agree you could really reaaaaaly fill out a world with AI players and players alike so things feel really fluid. I can deff imagine having competent Coop teammates instead of what we have now.
If you haven't seen the videos where the player links in the NPCs to ChatGPT and then has complex plot discussions with them then I highly recommend them. In one of them the player accuses one of the Jarl's court of being a traitor and it generated its own quest line. Admittedly there wasn't any xp or item rewards and it wasn't recorded in the quest lists themselves, but all the relevant NPCs acted and reacted appropriately.
@@bokc_nonpopularsalt1011 Except these AI are taking up PLAYER slots in a server. It's not the same at all. I am talking about players using this to idly farm in a game using AI taking away gameplay opportunities from fair players.
@@WalrusWinking Im talking about Battlefield or Star Wars Method.. The other bots have always been a things just more dumb.
Tarkov AI scavs in PVE mode will do the wiggle at you and I swear one of them shot me because I didn't wiggle back.
Could also use this to keep servers in old games populated. Im for that.
this could cause a bot problem like in tf2 to start in a bunch of games
Blue drake is gonna have his mind blown when he finds out what TF2's bots can do
So the AI in strategy games might become incredible in the future then? No more setting up cheats for them to keep up?
Plus side: I can play a coop campaign even if my friends are busy!
Down side: Playing against ai powered players in competitive shooters could easily ruin many of my favorite games!
They will "play" real games controlling mil drones.
RIP all playetesters
There’s limitations of current tech being called “AI” (e.g. Neural Networks) where it’s not cost effective / accurate / reliable / timely enough to justify using it, calling out in particular its scalability on less constrained problems. Neural Net AI playing a racing game = easy; NN AI playing a multiplayer FPS with dynamic environments and survival mechanics = hard (without cheating) and requires a lot of power; and alternatively, can script bots for better performance and less taxing on system requirements.
Efficiency will improve with “AI” specific hardware, but the tech is generalised and inherently inefficient for specific problems and applications. Imagine trying to measure the height of a table by taking a photo and comparing it to a database of tables with known heights, instead of just measuring it using a tape measure.
I think there’s good applications for deep learning AI, particularly for language recognition interpretation and generation, but even then I hope that deep learning AI is just a stop-gap that will get us to more effective and efficient tech.
AI for bug finding QA is a great idea. AI to get "player satisfaction metrics" QA is a horrific idea. Also will definitely be used for cheating and achievement completion.
@Bluedrake42 Hear me out, its not unrelated to the video: I think operation harsh doorstep needs to have a core progression system and core gamemodes in order to appeal to more players, like having mods and modded gamemodes that also give you xp would be insane. But just a sandbox? OPHD has potential and i love the idea but it needs a bit of a central idea other than a battlefield like gamemode, which to be honest is nothing special, thats not gonna convince people i guess EVEN if its free. People dont care about prices anymore, they set the same standards for a free game as to any other game since they just want to have a good time, and thats something that has no set pricetag, it can be 0$, 5$ or 100$. Doesnt matter. Yes making a free game is better IF its appeals to enough people and then your dream of unlimited gamemodes and creative developers will become real. But maybe it needs some market for servers so they can buy content, and developers and artists can earn some money which will motivate ALOT more people. Like again im a developer and even if I had time I have no reason as a gamer to build something for OPHD.
Find some creative people, find some AI guys and make a gamemode that people remember. I love grayzone, I hate tarkov, I love pavlov VR for its custom games that are insane. But OPHD doesnt give me anything yet. Like im a developer myself and have writting mods but my motivation to do something for OPHD is pretty low, even so i like bluedrake and i like the project.
I mean, cmon bluedrake you seem to love AI as much as I do, lets make something out of it for OPHD so it can be the success it has earned. But not as a mod, but as core gameplay that needs no downloads, and that has progression to keep the players in the game.
we are talking about adding in progression to the game after the 1.0. Release.
@@Bluedrake42 nice that sounds awesome, keep working on it but it needs something to be different from other games other than being free and having "unlimited" mod potential. And as a developer myself (7 years in companies, partly open source, and like 10 years total) I love that you do this for free! Really its so cool. Like I tried to get some friends to play with me with arma experience and alot of other games and they just said "ahh no doesnt appeal to me".
Thats not my opinion you are doing great work I never want to say anything else! But for normal players outside of your community there is still something missing.
But I'm sure if you keep the progress up and keep adding things some day it will turn out good even for normal players.
E.g. Fortnite was an example project for the unreal engine for a long time and look where its now. But i guess you already know that. Just saying keep going :)
@@Perqd The idea is eventually we're going to create a series of ranked and unranked servers, and progression is tracked in ranked and untracked in unranked. That's the idea right now anyways.
if we put in the Ai while being born as a baby character, will it believe it's entire world is the game?
As amazing as this is i fear for Beta testers and Beta testing in general
Dudesey is a podcast that is run by an AI, it picks the topics and schedules guests and stuff, it has the two hosts' entire internet history, texts, cloud drives, etc (and it started back in 2022, before LLMs blew up).
I forget the channel where I saw it, but there's a Minecraft mod where you can chat with AI players and they'll build towers and stuff for you.
Chess is a good example of AI cheat detection, they go to great lengths, tracking statistics for every move to try and detect if your skill level is jumping around too much.
Well, this could actually be a good thing, at least for someone like me who doesn't give a flying fuck about loot/skins/achievements/trophies etc etc. Cause now making games with tons of that just won't be reasonable (maybe), and therefore we'll have to go back to good old payed subscriptions for multi-player service games, and then the cheatbots will be less attractive for people to use instead since there's nothing to use them for other than winning, but that's probably mostly a problem in ranked games, and I don't care about those either, so..... Might actually be sweet....
Soon we'll have people using AI for their streams and then AI watching the streams. AI making videos at the speed of light. Like the possibilities are endless and I honestly don't want to be a part of this world.
I look forward to the integration of AI into game characters. I play fewer multiplayer games than I used to (I can't seem to stop playing Noita). I have very little interest in watching other people play games; I have zero interest in watching AI play or having AI play for me. My concerns with AI are what the world's governments will do with it and maybe more so organizations like the World Economic Forum.
yeah, AI that can obbey attack orders, gaming is FAR from what I'm afraid of...
And they are dogwater, AGI might be a different story, but they still have to overcome model decay.
Can the AI trade stocks for me……that’s the real question….
Yes it can and I’ve already built some software that does that
@@Bluedrake42 if u ever think about putting it out, please let us know.
bots play games fast - I can see it. All speed runs done by bots at max speed
I remember talking on a discord server if ai npcs could be possible in OHD...
They called me a madman..
This is pretty cool for handicapped people who can't use mouse and keyboard to properly play computergames.
AI streamers incoming
AI players means actually interesting solo gaming ?!
The only thing it should be applied to. AI will read whatever on your PC.
Ur game has a weird ass audio issue that sucks
Peak bug reporting.
I feel like a lot of fake gamer girls are gonna start popping up
Five bucks say people just turn this into hacking multiplayer games
my man... they already are lmao
I'm already thinking how can it be used for botting or having your own squad on team/co-op games.
I imagine for games that require tactical team-play. One easy is having an anti-armor squad on battlefield as dedicated UCAV pilots :)
Already being done!!
@@Splarkszter Isn't this a good thing though?
We are going straight to the dead internet scenario.
To be fair steam is wasteland of dead multiplayer games... This as an app would change that.
We're already there
We will probably see a Renaissance in single player games.
Massive Renaissance and probably a Renaissance in lan partys
Renaissance for singleplayer games, doomsday for multiplayer games...
Hey Bluedrake, Did you had a look at F.E.A.R game? those enemies (AI) is really insane, (they form squads, surround you (if your in a corner), throw grenades at you when you take cover) also game came out in 2005.... Which is insane... Would be amazing to re-create that type of AI...
Yeah, F.E.A.R's AI is amazing!
I remember that game and being fascinated by the complexity of the AI in it to the point I was replaying it purely to see how/if I could break it. The amount of Jurassic Park "clever girl" moments in hindsight was staggering.
Hopefully in bluedrake game the ai will work only if the servers owner allows it...or...I'm staying single player...
The AI isn’t as good as you think it is, part of the trick is that they call out strats so it sounds like they’re working together. Still better AI than many games but that one trick makes them seem even smarter
@@helpumuch6887killzone AI is amazing imo
only good use for this is accessibility in single player games.
As long they don't playing Helldiver 2, Terminator series or Generation Zero.............
When they tell you not to worry about Skynet, and then you see videos like this.
Fukn turn 45 this Friday a still love this thx for operation doorstep 👍
happy birthday for then
@@HuskyDBD 👍
Happy early birthday
Happy birthday man
yet another job that requires human factor will be taken by soulless ai that'll have no idea what exactly to look for in these games. congrats corpos
They will find the most obscure bugs so GG speedrunning.
I like how everyone of the comments like this one apparently have zero clue on what a QA tester actually does.
This is the best thing to happen to gaming.
@@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa and why then do you think that ai taking their job is a good idea and hows that beneficial to companies
Companions in video games with AI voices and AI text and AI interaction with the gameworld.
There's a guy who linked in ChatGPT (or some other AI) and voice generator to Skyrim NPCs. Full conversations and even ended up generating it's own unscripted "quest" when the player accused one of the Jarl's court of being a traitor and exiled them. The accused NPC then left and wandered Skyrim until the player caught up with them and gave them "justice".
Mind blowing what is possible even right now.
I've been wanting that for lonely solo gamers like me.
The only Ai I wanna really experience in gaming are games like Skyrim and MMORPG's that could make NPC's virtually unscripted.
Neuro-sama actually played games by itself....
And even talking with it's chat
Eh, same standard boring things made in every fps possible tbh
this won’t kill QA jobs, there will still need to be humans to check the AI’s work
If you download AI, it will do MORE than playing your games - it'll PLAY YOUR PC and send all datas to Google. Consider yall warmed. Don't let the gaming AI entice you to give up your...what's left of your privacy.
Ooh, bots for quality assurance for videogames, since people couldn't create awesome games in the past without any sort of ai.....
Me? I will just stop playing any affected games. Simple. if not, completely give up gaming.
so the PubG bots are getting an upgrade? lol, i see this being used by studios to fill lobbies of dying games, like PubG did a few yrs back. Also cheaters are gonna love this.
Between this and the AI monitor cheat, Multiplayer games WILL DIE.
I made bots and hacks for FPS games over 15 years ago. This is not something completely new and it was possible long time ago without any AI. Ofcourse AI will be better at playing that regular ray-traced bot, but I don't think it will change that much. Game testers might lose their jobs though!
I would like to add, AI being in a multiplayer game could be very dangerous. AI doesnt have feelings, they wont experience gear fear or fight or flight mode, they will MASTER a game in weeks and be the MOST efficient player the game will allow.
This is awesome! Now I can have reliable friends to play with that don’t suck
Imaging joining multiplayer server full of AI talking to each other and pretending to have fun... And you start talking with them, and think to yourself, why are they so weird 😁
To me it seems like the best of the best: no "grind" game would be played/published in few years 'cause trained AI having "machine input controls" aren't going to be detectable at SW level, not even kernel-level (pattern recognition by similar AIs would be needed but expenses would be near infinite and surely never-ending, no investor would embark himself there). What sense has P2W or even just Online Multiplayer leveling/ranking on "public" (not privatly moderated) servers in those conditions? And what difference do you thing are there that wouldn't make you enjoy offline & online private coop/comp games where "filler AIs" are 99% of the entities on the map, playing at the same level, if not better, of real humans? Give it 20 years and mainstreamly even us would expect, and rate Low if not, any npc to have custom AI.
If you told me that, I'd say you're trusting the advertising BS too much. How long now has AI been going to revolutionizing everything within the next year? Two? Five? Chat GPT came out how many years ago now, and it still breaks down at the slightest provocation.
I'm into PvE FPS games so would like to see true AI bots playing against me, acting like real players but which I could make smarter or dumber based on how I want them. Currently I don't know any FPS game where bots are intelligent to flank, take cover, sneak up, hunt, listen to footsteps, ambush, etc. Would love to play games like that.
I can't wait until my own personal AI is good enough to farm my WoW gold for me. Then I can play WoW again and Blizz can't ban me because my AI is doing it.
Poor Bushy, was hoping to see "Endor" or "Locker Wars" footage in the background :( ...... the one thing AI won't do is stop and stare at the scenery, like i did in Farcry.......
How is it going to affect the gaming industry?
After thinking about this for years (this isn't new) and talking to fellow devs and comp scientists related to autonomous drones and vehicles, we're still far away from the following scenario, but it will come:
1- single player will become as unpredictable as currently multiplayer fps games (and games in general) . ML based NPCs will be facing players in arenas, attrition, death match scenarios with as much variability as human players
2- the death of multiplayer games is coming. Imagine facing opponents which you think are humans but are instead AI controlled players. We already have huge problems with aim assists, strike packs and Cronus zen and a multitude of cheats, imagine facing an advanced AI foe acting as a human being.
I and others think a resurgence of single player gaming is inevitable.
The anti cheats devs will have to learn how to detect and ban these accounts for sure.
I don't know about playtesting.. im more excited about smart NPC's that feel like actual people... This could be awesome.
I am 99.9% positive I have played a Darktide match with this type of AI. It was 3 people, no mics, all dressed in the same color scheme with no duplicate classes. They did nothing but play around me and stay close to me, and no, these weren't the game bots, these were actual player accounts. It was one of the most surreal gaming experiences I've ever had. They moved extremely methodically, they did not take actions like a normal human being. They were also the most reliable teammates I ever had in 900hrs+ of Darktide though.
Gaming feels dead with shit like this I remember learning how to play Xbox live on a hacked set of servers to play games and encountering hackers back in 2004-5 on pc. I basically quit playing anything multiplayer for years now I’m back into gaming it’s gotten so much worse that i basically don’t play multiplayer anymore. It’s wild as fuck that people buy a game that’s supposed to be for fun then pay to cheat which essentially isn’t playing the game.
The only + I see here for AI is being able to actually play games is Singleplayer bots to be more entertaining to fight against. Other than that. I don't know if "AI Playtesting" is a good Idea. Just my opinion. Agree or disagree or whatever.
These robots aren't buying the games why are they giving feedback, how do they know what we want???😂
This would probably be useful to revive dead multiplayer games
I have been talking to people about this kind of stuff for weeks, if not months at this point. This will ruin everything we enjoy in video games, art, movies, TV, etc. AI will be the destruction of fun. Imagine kid now, who rather watch a streamer play a game like fortnite, rather than play it....but instead they will be watching and interacting with AI. Kids can barely talk to each other as is....very few people even talk in games anymore. How on earth would AI help those singular issues....
I can just see people using AI to find the most optimized routes. AI sharing groups to farm items or to grind lvl's. Set up tedious routines much like in tarkov with the hideout for crafting items or replenishing fuel or water filters, working-out etc.
I feel like this could be extremely useful for cases where people have disabilities, as an accessibility thing for some games. Unfortunately we all know what this is gonna be used for xD
wont this make your cpu die when playing alone?
Imagine the revolutions in AI being used for AI companions and enemies.
I wish you (the team)
Best of All luck and hope.
O.H.D Is a really great game which need a little fixing.
And a little better scenario
Over all i have really enjoy it and thank you for creating it.
I only like the idea of "AI" livestreamers because all the backseaters can hang out in those chats and tell it what to do and leave the real streamers to have fun with games rather than constantly be told how to play.
"AI" QA is a terrible idea. Publishers would NEVER pass on savings to the consumer, because they need to consistently raise their profit each quarter to keep shareholders happy. "AI" still lacks human reasoning that is necessary for good QA, so we'd see QA workers without jobs, worse games, and greedier companies. Not to mention QA is the jumping off point for a lot of other jobs in the industry, losing us yet another entry point into game dev.
You might want to watch a show called Pantheon as it tried to look at a near future where AI, UI, and CI and regular old humans intermingle. The short version is that state sponsored hacking programs end up exploiting things like gold farming in WOW to funnel money back to their respective nations, but that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
If you think a hyper Intelligence impersonating a player is concerning consider for a moment one that is designed to hack,spearfish, mimic voices and video to gain access to secure networks.
In the show the US ends up having to shut down the internet temporarily to combat the cyber threats and when it brings it back online users have to install a US made AI security program to their devices and networks…. Which totally doesn’t spy on people…. Among other things.
It's time to say goodbye to PvP multiplayer 👋
Imagine you could like talk to it in a tactical shooter (against cpu obviously) and you could tell it to breach like a certain door after how many ever seconds. Likely not gonna happen with this, but that'd be cool as fuck if you have no friends online or want to try a game but are in more of a 2 man squad mood.
War thunder is an interesting example where this would create tons of issues. any f2p game with progression as their main monetization model. imagine if everyone could just turn on AI and let their pcs run while they get progression they wouldve paid to skip. The customer base with the good PC that can easily run the game and the AI in the beginning would maybe have been the exact same customer that wouldve paid to skip.
This can have huge rammifications to monetization models. Hopefully for the better but you know people probably gonna be for the worse.
battleroyale modd when ?
this could be game changing for singleplayer ai teammates and the like
This is going to spell a lot of problems for the multiplayer gaming industry. As is, the anti-cheat is barely able to keep on top of conventional scripts and exploits and botting, never mind whatever the hell this is. And on the Quality Control/Assurance front that they claim this technology is for, just because the game is programmatically sound doesn't mean it's fun. Sure, the devs can tell the AI the objective they need to achieve to advance the game and the AI can follow that order through and spill the beans on the errors it encounters along the way, but in the end, it will just spit out that what the Devs wanted to accomplish has been completed. In other words, it's a confirmation bias that what the Devs laid out is completable as the Devs envisioned it; not offering a unique perspective onto the work the Devs have build themselves around, you know, part of the reason why playtests exist?
I don't mind as long as I can chat and play with the AI players. Most likely much more fun than with nowadays toxic gamers.
I keep saying this till the end of the times: Force every multiplayer game to require "game ID" that every human can get from officials like social security card. If you cheat you will get banned for a while from multiplayer games and only can play in the non official servers etc. And repeatedly cheating is same as breaking law and will end up costing alot or even prison time.
One good thing I can see this being for is if it can be used with speech to text/text to speech tech then a single human player could have a squad of bots that respond to voice commands in things like ARMA, Scum etc where stupid idiots like me try to run RP servers for friends and have to voice act all the important parts while still trying to spawn in and maintain scenario related guff. I could just say to Bot3 "you are going to be the unhinged convict that always stops to take the teeth and ears from any bodies found even if the group is under fire, and if questioned will respond in an appropriately aggressive and unnerving manner". Certainly saves me from going AFK constantly and then teleporting around the place saying that so-and-so runs into the bushes before anyone can stop them.
pls keep this in coop and sp only, pvp games would likely suffer from this
I think when it comes to game development. This might first be used for just case by case testing. Making sure nothing that has previously been made breaks during development.
Will be interesting though how creative these AIs will be able to get for pretty much finding ways to break a game. Because I still believe we has humans might still be more creative when it comes to breaking things.
warthunder grinders will use this for account sales
If this is what is available to the public, imagine what is being worked on behind closed doors...
By this rate T-800s are going to be a thing over the next decade, the only thing that is missing is the hardware (which I'm sure AI will greatly help solve)
I'm all in for actual great AI "bots", since the cheating problem likely won't be solved any time soon... playing online games started feeling useless because of it... but bots in games like COD and BF2042 are so dumb... even the hardest ones are not even a challenge lol. Having great AI bots will make playing games a thing a gain
I think if they would be able to use this for non playable characters, it would be awesome. Playing games in multiplayer is awesome but you get a lot of people who like playing offline and bots are stupid most of the times. Imagine a AI like this in a co op game. You will always have something to play with like Ready or Not for example. It's actually going to feel like you are playing with someone and thus you have the same feeling and same amount of fun. Not including how much more fun it would be in the AI can actually communicate with you in a direct way.
This new development would remove a job from the industry that's a very nice place for people who want to get into the game industry to start as an entry job, and that plus all the other problematic topics do indeed make me upset/worried.
But something I've often fantasized about quite a bit is the ability to have an "Ai friend" who you could play multiplayer games with without the need to train the model for "every game", especially if you could run said Ai locally so as to be able to be used when you don't have access to internet.
The ability to play games like Minecraft, Terraria, or pretty much any game would with an Ai companion be so cool to have as an option for people who are shy or just out right can't play with other people due to internet or other reasons. I'd personally love to start a Minecraft world with an Ai and see how much we could accomplish together
my perspective on AI is kinda mixed, in the sense that i'm actually not against ai, i've been using it on my art workflow and i think that it's amazing what it can do for a solo artist. I think the only problem is when people criticize AI when AI by itself doesn't do anything it wasnt meant to be used for, so i guess that the real issue is how companies are gonna use it. In my case if a solo or indie dev decides to make art by himself because he can't be talented as AAA artist that's awesome! and that actually brings new ideas to the table, now an studio that has people working for them using ai to replace workers that's not cool at all. I think the issue is more political and economical rather than AI itself, AI shouldn't be a bad thing it should be a tool. The problems are created by companies that only care about money. And also i think that all AI should be totally open source and free to everybody since they trained an all of our stuff, which im cool if they make it free for everybody. For example when i share my instagram i don't really care if the AI trains the art in my art as long as the tool is available for everybody!, Besides a AAA studio doesn't really need ai with all the bucks they made through the years they should be able to hold themselves without ai, and it's like you said if they are using AI how is that benefiting the customers? it's really different from an indie studio, as the indie studio doesn't have the money or the resources to hire, Environment artists,character artists,programmers,etc etc . So i good say that AI is super cool for some positions while others should remain out of AI.
Its too loud and distracting, I cant watch this. Seperate your discussions and showcasing.
So we are close to the industrial revolution 2.0 this time with AI that will replace a lot of workers and left a lot of people without a job. About gaming i hope they can integrate it on NPC so to make the experience more realistic. Honestly i cant find the sense of left AI play your games. The games are there to enjoy the history adn have fun not to AI play for you.
its hilarious to think ai will do playtests, considering the whole purpose of playtesting is to get human feedback 😂😂
man i wish this was already in games, no anti cheat can compete how the cheating industry has become its a multi million dollar industry i believe the future is with ai that plays like real people.
Instead of striving for better graphics we should strive to have better features and detail to games. i no longer play most milsims because its just a static blank world with no lighing.
imagine if we could play squad and demolish buildings and raise entire sectors of a city, droping mortars in a forest and the forest gets vaporized ,with tress falling over and trembling withe the shockwave of explosions. like we would have AI to fill up the battlefield with civilains for patrols or defeding check points or running logistics so most players could focus on attacking.
but we are stuck in the same technological cul de sac.
I can see this technology being used for both fantastic and grim purposes, I'd love to see smarter AI with more varied and less predictable actions in a game such as Arma but yeah alot people will sadly abuse it.
I think AI is cool, but replacing humans to be play testers for a game made for humans doesn't seem right. You need human input for things like that. AI can help, but it shouldn't replace humans completely in regards to QA.
(Puts up the controller) Welp, It's time to go outside and touch grass.
There won’t be a grind to level up. Just let Ai do it. I wouldn’t do it myself but cheaters will cheat. And at the same time what would be the point of leveling up anymore. It could change the whole industry. I can imagine a new game like xdefiant comes out today and by tomorrow I bet there will be a lot of top tier leveled up.
I buy games for my own entertainment, not to sit back and watch a computer play for me.
i will make my AI play all my steam games i have not touched to get achievments, Cards, Items and whatever to sell on Steam market and become Steamillionare
I bet the A.I bots will pay month to cheat the game. But that for hackers to use this tools to exploits it. Plus it can be use on twitter, post, chat and so on. I wonder if they can make their own game and shows. Most be out the jobs. They can find tune to make the game harder.
I think in a few years some crazy people will send some b0mbs to big ai companies if this gets more crazy and more people lose their jobs.
People taht only did one thing and learned one thing in thier live can snap very fast when they don't have anything to lose.
its a shame the people back the IA dont use this better things like codes of optimization of games with stardar setups, use the IA to create a ecosystem like apple in optimizations without cut you a kidney to pay. I play a lot Harsh and is a really good game
me throwing an AI into demon souls: You shall suffer as i have suffered