How to mix in stereo... without sucking in mono (part 3)
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- Part 3: Fantastic Mr Phase.
Haas delay is not the only way to create phase differences between left and right channels. Filters and EQ can be used to create a sense of width or depth, or you can double track the part, or create unison synth layers.
In Part 3, Dan Worrall looks at a few of these techniques, and their implications for the mono downmix, and shows the awesome power of mid / side EQ on stereo sub mixes.
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Mr. Worrall is such an excellent teacher! He should do a full online course about mixing and audio engineering.
He's like the Bob Ross of Mixing! Just without the happy little accidents.
I am thinking that everytime watching his videos!But can’t imagine how he would be pursuaided in doing that..
5:47 This Mid-side EQing to doubled guitar technic saved my life
This has blown my mind. All these techniques for making the mix sound great in mono and stereo, is just too much I will need a year to take it all in.
I think everyone that does rock, metal should know this!
Agreed!
@@MisuAlexandru1 they do..
i remember being in the studio w/ some musician friends like 20yrs ago and i clearly recall how they were recording each instrument (and vocals) a few times for this very technique... they were considering this superior to just delaying and coping..
on a funny note, about how fast things evolved, the studio had just gotten an upgrade, they were recording digital, 4 tracks at once and everyone was super excited how easy it had become to do a retake at any point in the track :}
@@MisuAlexandru1 so far only Nolly, formerly of Periphery does this in the metal world, given he's a regular watcher of Dan's content.
2y old and this serie is still a gem. I binge my favourite Dan Worrall videos over and over to understand better or find details I may have missed. and I do. love it
Every Dan Worrall video I watch open my eyes that much wider, but even more, my ears. I have used Hass delay before, but this . . . . "They should have sent a poet."
Thanks Mr. Worrall. Thanks.
Impressive how this tutorial was able to combine both very simple and advanced topics.
Impressive how your sentence combines both vowels and consonants.
@@trevdogza Impressive reply
I watched all the 3 parts of this series together. I'm so high right now.
xD
Thank you so much, fabfilter & Dan.
Turning "phase issues" around and actually making use of them in order to get a CLEANER mix in mono just blew my mind.
(I'm still hoping you guys are working on a DAW in secret. ;))
Too much daws kills daws. They might do it too perfect... what will We then do...? Let's keep the impression we still solve someting in the mix we make...thanks to Dan of course...
@@mimidhof2179 Well, a DAW is just a workspace and fabfilter, to me, are the unrivaled masters of interface design.
I don't really see what this has to do with the sonic aspect of mixing...? :)
I'LL PAY MILLIONS FOR A CLASS WITH DAN ABOUT MIXING THEORY
Yeah... give him your millions... I'll send you bread an water. So I support you to support him.
@@mimidhof2179 😂😂
he has videos on his channel
@@mimidhof2179 most underrated comment xD
-has $5 in his account.
Priceless. If someone knows more about this in the world than you, they are surely not bragging about it. Thanks for sharing.
Those mid side EQ adjustments are brilliant. Thanks!
Mind blowing series. "FabFilter plugins and Dan's tutorials" is an unbeatable combination. Glad to be a FabFilter user! Thank you so much.
I don't know how much Mr Worrall is getting payed by fabfilter but it is not enough. This is a gem.
I'm not doing any audio-related business, but i still enjoy these videos a lot!
Lol! is this is your ASMR?
@@funguy8801 That, and i'm also "accidentally" learning a lot of interesting things about audio, effects and how humans perceive it. :-)
@@JanPhilippTimme - I bet you're awesome at quizzes! A fountain of knowledge ;) :P
The biggest problem I've been having during the mixing of my tracks was mono issues in double tracked guitars, and I instead just let it be because i had no idea where that came from and how to fix it. These videos, specially this one, finally answer my woes. Amazing tutorial!
Dan Worrall is the best!!!
This was the cherry on the pie... almost crying... He does that all the time... you think he amaze you and then he surprises your amazement. He is the Audio quantum amazement paradox...
What came first you amazed by him, or he just amazing you by doing his stuffs...
Anyway this was an audio big bang for lot of peoples...
There is only one person I trust with learning knowledge like this. Mr Worrall.
I have learned so much in these 3 parts! Thank you for making these.
Wow! Showing off the real stuff 👍 Thank you, Dan, for doing this at such a high pedagogical level.
Wow! Great video. I would absolutely throw money at a Mr. Worrall in depth tutorial series.
The 3 break through moments that made me feel like a pro where saturation/distortion for adding upper harmonic information to elements, LUFS for target mix volume standards and more recently mid/side processing. I've taken some older mixes of mine and remastered them with splitting the track into mid, side, and sub buses. Adding saturation to the sub channel and widening the sides brought out details I didn't know where missing.
I can't believe how fascinating, useful, and well executed these tutorials are-- thank you very much
Everyone that says that checking in mono is a useful tip honestly requires including discussion on mid-side mixing or not talk about mono at all (or else tell everyone to mix in mono and disregard stereo entirely). Checking something implies needing to do something about it. In the few years I've looked for mixing tutorials, Dan Worrall is the ONLY one that highlights the importance of the difference between stereo and mono. Fantastic video, but shame on the people that just say "checking in mono" is good and never substantiate the reasons.
Dan Worrall's tutorials are amazing!
#FabFilterRocks!
Holy shit, what an eye opener! Thought I knew what MS-EQ is but I never realized that whatever you do with the EQ´s side bands won´t change anything when listening in mono!!! That changes everything. That means you can basically EQ for stereo AND mono playback systems at the same time to make it sound perfect on both, all using only one EQ-plugin. Never thought about it that way! Everything else in this series is fantastic as well. One of the best tutorials videos ever seen, if not the best, and it´s free, incredible! Thank you!!!
I find The most mono compatible stereo trick is actually to use a haas delayed copy which itself has a 180 panned copy. So when summed the enhancement completely cancels leaving the og mono intact. You can also filter the effect to keep the enhancement area tidy too. Voxengo's free stereo touch does this.
yes!!! after 10 months of waiting for this videos it finally happened !
Have you learned something...? So much time is not that important just a few miliseconds can do it all... it also depends on how you equalize it too...
Dont wait anymore go for it... lol.
Well there are heaps of so called secrets on RUclips but THIS actually deserves that name.
can't believe this content is free
Thanks for sharing such valuable knoweledge! Will try the M/S EQ approach on hard panned guitars in my rock mixes so they don't get buried in mono.
Dan Worrall puts words to my emotions
I must have been under a rock too long. For some insane reason i gave up on version 2. Man i tell you, this version 3 is a no brainer. Not to mention a company that creates tutorials with great tips for their own products. Well, well what can i say but awesome, awesome, awesome. Most of these tips we know but not as detailed with a more scientific and musical explanation like this. This is really all first class and we are only in version 3. My brain cannot imagine the future of this and all your products. I love , love , this EQ.
This man is a genius. And that narration my god. Just can't get over it. Dan Worrall is a priceless gift to the mixing community and youtube.
Who are you?
Such a great communicator. Perfect explanations with no more words than are required. Absolute genius.
Thanks 👍🏼
He has been elected by god, to transmit us his peacefull message. Mix and peace for you my friend. But take care he doesn't forgive any phase cancelation issue...
Beautifully explained Dan Worrall and the sound team !👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Wow... just wow. Being someone who tries to produce club oriented and therefore mono mixes as good as it's possible, this is gold. Thanks, fabfilter, thanks, Dan.
This is the greatest tutorial series on this topic ever and also the best for advanced mixing technics. Big thumbs up!!!
Wow this video is the cream of the crop! I never realized how valuable mid side EQ is for the mono mix.
Superb video! Dan has really deep knowledge and an amazing ability to convey this info.
I would like to thank you for those tutorials! They are perfect! Well presented, clear and informative.
Jesus, what a ride that was.
This is next level education. Thank you for these amazing videos.
This videos blow my mind, I'm mixing waaaay better now, thank you to Dan and the guys at FabFilter!
I finally know why the hell is my double tracking metal guitars suck in mono.. and most importantly how to fix it!
That concept of using the imperfection of the widening technique.. to our ADVANTAGE is such a smart move.
It's the audio engineer version of saying "my worst flaw is that I am a perfectionist". Turning a disadvantage into a good thing.
I can't thank you enough! So looking forward to using that in my mono-sucking mix!
Watching these amazing videos, I've decided to do nothing different and just declare that anything that disappears when I switch to mono is good for the mono mix
This was incredible. I've been using Mid/Side eqing for years already, but the section in this about it has changed how I understand it completely
this guy is a freaking genius
It's great to have tasteful music examples to listen to during an excellent tutorial. Very uncommon!
Thank you for another fantastic series of videos about mixing! Mono compatibility and mixing in stereo is something I've always struggled with - I had some basic understanding of the techniques and issues mentioned in the videos, but after watching all three videos I finally start to understand how I might be able to achieve better mixdowns with these techniques! This is definitely the best video series on this topic I have seen so far.
3.7k views in only 2 days and no dislikes. That's when you know a person like Dan knows his shit. Great...I should say awesome series. I was actually waiting for this couple months ago. Thanks so much 👏
This has been the most helpful video of all the Dan vids...great insights!!!
Excellent. A masterclass in an hour. I'm going to practice now. Thanks!
This is incredibly useful; thanks a million. I've been dabbling in m/s processing on my mix/master bus for the last couple months and getting hit/miss results. Now I know why. I think I need another year to really be able to be deliberate with these techniques, but at least I'll be able to stop and try to understand when something really good or bad happens. Thanks again! I've watched a lot of videos but I've never seen this information presented in this straightforward way.
These are some really advanced techniques !! Very Clever, especially the guitar mixing trick !
Absolutely brilliant videos, so clear and content packed.
Great tips and advice! Using different filters for a wider mix is crazy...!
It all makes sense. Just have to decide which is more important to you ( or your listeners platform). Thanks for the series.
3:42 Whaaaat ?! Dan Worrall you are a genius ! You did it again ! This is as cool as the linear phase analog eq trick ! Thank you so much!
Few years back when I first started with Lite version of my DAW to just record a couple of guitars I never realised how massive the topic of recording is.
Now, the more I can do in my DAW the more I realise how little I still know about the subject.
Great video!!
The songs that you use to demo are always great. Gets me inspired!
One of the most useful tips I've come across. Thanks Dan!
So smart, so simple, so effective
this series is absolute gold
Thanks so much! What a quality guide - just finished the full 3-part series. So informative and well put together. Really enjoyable to watch and listen to.
Everytime I watch one of these videos besides my mind being blown Im left feeling like I even have less time in life to try all the new things that interest me.
This 3 videos are jewels. Very clear explanation and very usefull triks. Thanks for share it!
This might be the best advice and tips for a producer
Mr Worrall, please open an online mixing academy !
this series of stereo mixing, really helps me out. Thx
Dan Worrall, my hero
Great videos! Dan Worrall is the Sir David Attenborough of digital audio
Honest opinion about the series? As a music technologies student - I'm in love. No one bothered to specifically talk about this stuff and I'm practically done with my studies. Everyone just keeps saying "Oh yeah, you should check if it sounds ok in mono", but no one goes into how to fix when its wrong. Barely any students I know have gotten into M/S processing or checking in depth for phase issues. Yes, most do it by earand feel, but the techniques they use are not as refined as this. Don't even get me started about getting your mix to translate well between systems.
These videos are so useful. I love it
I don't know how many parts this has, but there's a way to get only the difference between channels without inverting the polarity of one of them by means of transformers. Then you can amplify only it and mix to your mono mix. It will make it sound more like the stereo. This is because the output of the transformer is equal to the derivative of the input, so you can reject the common without having to invert polarities.
How come nobody told me about the Dan Worrall School for Wizards? Well done 👍
Perfectjy explained, thank You so much!
You explain very well!
Thanks, Dan! This series was incredibly eye opening and gave me a lot of ideas! Thanks!
Best video series on the entire youtube - i learned so much....!!! Thank you 🤗
Best EQ video i've ever watched!!
Thanks for that great series!
These are soooo gooooood. Sorry, but I'm not telling anyone about these videos. I am keeping this to myself. :)
Thank you! Nice hints, especially bringing out mid side EQ as the representation of how a wider still coherent str mix being the very basic of a mono mix, respect!
I experimented a lot with the topic straight on analog workflow, tried similar things with routing aux sends back, and using different pan / gain / volume and filter values on different gain stages, but never thought of it as this video describes, worthy! :))
great series
Lots of mixing gems here... thanks! 💎💎💎💎💎
Your videos are as fantastic as your plugins! 👍👍
The last minutes where the answer to all my Questions! Thanks!
MIND. BLOWN.
That was truly fantastic! Thank you so much for taking the time on this. I would love to be able to A/B these myself and give it some more critical listening one day. I guess I need to open up a mix!
Awesome three-part tutorial!
WOW! ZERO DISLIKES! I do not believe what I see. Good work with those vids! Thanks a lot!
Definitely going to have to try the mid side trick with double track guitars
Thank you for another great series! Very educative and perfectly explained.
Hace never seen a video like this the best video for mixing niceee
Just picked up your total bundle, thank you for such powerful software.
Thank you very much for these invaluable teachings.
Lovely pad sound at the end!
i subscribed here because of Dan,
This made me think about filters: When is the best situation for using each filter slope? Just taking 6, 12, 18 and 24 into acount.
heavymetalmixer the higher the slope, the bigger is the phase shift effect, and also higher slopes don't tend to sound really good, but sometimes they're necessary. I belive it doesn't really metter for the stereo field as soon as you're using the filter in stereo mode, the phase shift rarely give us any trouble, besides when working with layers or sub frequency range
@@joaopedrofrech I heard in one of the Izotope videos that steeper slopes also introduce harshness and crush more the transients, how true is that?
knowledge worth millions, great videos
Super as always!