Honestly, the best way to fix this: remove the D+ timeline. It messes everything up, and make the fans theorize about the timeline and let them make something that can be real
Interesting idea. Maybe when a new show or movie comes out, let people vote on where it should be placed first and then see what fans come up with. That would actually be fascinating. Thank for watching and sharing your feedback!
Man I think phase 4 was just hit so so hard by the pandemic. Like for example the story of falcon and the winter solider had a completely different story because the flag smashers story line was gonna be based on a pandemic😬. I think phase 5 and forward will be much better and more cohesive
@@dirt_in_your_eye Yes, all the dates for Phase 5 are included in this short video: ruclips.net/video/XUN_I4rjdO8/видео.html. It also goes over what we know about Phase 6, but we will learn even more this weekend at D23 and I'll do another short recap of those announcements as soon as they are released. Lots of exciting stuff coming!
I sure hope so. I'm worried about the two biggest issues of prepping the creative teams to know when their movie/show occurs in the timeline instead of letting them wing it and also the issue of using cultural events in the movie but ignoring when they happen in the real world. I hope they address those, or we will have a mess once again. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Yeah, I am not sure why they jumped to 2025 either. That said, 2024 is so packed with entries that maybe they figured they need to move another year forward. But it is weird to be so far in the future.
@@Toohard315 Yes, good point. Should be interesting to see where Thor ends up in the timeline, as well as the remaining Phase 4 items, such as the Halloween special and the GotG Christmas special.
I personally don't trust the Disney+ timeline especially for phase 4. They have changed black Panther and black widows placement before so they are capable of switching placements. Shows where the cultural celebration is an important aspect of the series or movie would be accurate to it's placement. So Shang-Chi and moon Knight are in spring and summer of April 2024. I believe that the timeline u created at the end is much better than the Disney+ timeline
You are not alone in thinking the timeline I created (which I think is the timeline many fans stick to) is very popular. And I think your lack of trust in the Disney+ timeline is very understandable. That's why I am so disappointed that Marvel has let things come to this, when they could have solved things by being abit more organized. The pandemic really hurt things, but I still feel there are some bigger issues at play and I really hope Marvel gets them sorted out.
@@AbitofEverything4U I do believe the Disney+ timeline has it right in a few things and has convinced me for the placements of MoM and Ms Marvel as well as others but I'm confident they have it wrong for shang chi, Thor 2, moon Knight, and eternals. Also when it comes to multiverse stories I personally place Loki and what if after endgame, as well as freshmen Year since marvel has stated that it's a multiverse story. Promotional images for marvel zombies show characters like shang-chi, Kamala, and abomination. So far, in advance I would place it after Ms Marvel since that's the latest point where one of the characters featured in the zombies series first appear in the 616 timeline
@@jonmoreno7780 Interesting. You are right there with most fans I think. MoM and Ms. Marvel were the first two that fans have warmed up to in regards to Disney+ placement, but Shang Chi, Moon Knight and Eternals Disney+ placements are definitely not popular with fans. Thor 2 is a toss up. Some have bought into it and others still dislike it. So you fall right where I think the general fan base lands on things. And I agree with you on the multiverse stories. May as well put them after Endgame and put Freshman Year there as well. It seems like Marvel Zombies is another multiverse story, but I agree that if you haven't watched the phase 4 stories, then both Marvel Zombies (and What If Phase 2) will be confusing. So perhaps those two should go later in the timeline.
Maybe the timeline is constantly changing and that's why Marvel don't tell the staff where things happen since now they are producing various product at the same time and there is always the posibility of some of them being delayed so they don't want to show much conection between them so a show doesn't spoil a movie, for example Eternals should come way before Hawkeye, but for some time because of Covid they weren't even sure if the movie would get to cinema at all, so I assume that's why nothing that comes after it has a reference to its events. Now maybe they are trying to change the timeline as time goes by and according to how things end up being, if it make sense...
Yes, I do suspect are right about the timeline often being in flux and I'm sure it's really tough for Marvel to juggle everything. But what seems so strange to me is examples like Sana Amanat, who gave that quote about Ms. Marvel on June 4th where she wasn't sure how long after Endgame it happened, but Ms. Marvel literally debuted on Disney+ on June 8th, just four days later. So while Marvel may not always know the firm timeline, in that case they should have told Sana when it was going to be in the Disney+ timeline. It just seems like Marvel doesn't tell them anything and that is so bizarre.
I know that this is a lazy excuse, but you could say that some of the dates of the festivals were changed based on the galaxy-wide misery post snap. Like they were pushed back because of the trauma, or moved up to celebrate when everyone came back. Again, I know this is a big stretch but I’m trying to be creative. 🤷♂️
Nice! Yes, I think that's a very good reason for it. That could have easily shifted things around. I mean, we had an Eternal coming out of the center of the earth, so really at this point, anything is possible!
Oh and one thing for She Hulks placement is that Wong has his new suit from Multiverse of Madness where as in NWH he has his original 2016 costume, which he has in every other appearance before
Yeah, that's a good point about Wong's costume. Perhaps that's why She-Hulk was placed in 2025. With just the comments from Jessica Gao, it sounded like a 2024 placement was coming, but I think it makes more sense in 2025.
@@dabatman5187 The Disney+ timeline has Shang Chi in 2024 in between Far From Home and Eternals. But it probably would make more sense for Shang Chi to be in 2025. I guess there is just a long gap between when the cage fight occurred in Shang Chi and when the video was released to the public in She-Hulk Ep 2. It works out, it just looks abit odd. I went into more depth on it in the latest She-Hulk Ep 3 video: ruclips.net/video/5CWNj9QnjRI/видео.html. Anyway, thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
I really appreciate the care and appreciation you've approached this with - very understanding of why mis/lack of communication may have happened. Very enjoyable to watch too - keep it up!
Thanks so much. I'm glad you appreciate that as I do try hard to be positive, even when I'm discussing something that I don't think was handled the best. I just think it's more enjoyable to hear it that way then to be too negative. Really appreciate you watching!
D'oh! Good point. I really enjoyed that season and since there was no other content available, I soaked up each episode. Sincere apologies to AoS...kudos to the series for ending on a high note! Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Yes, I have timeline docs on the Google Drive here: drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1R_PrexMkTjYpQAraxlhzs2U5EPJEPioc and I did a video on the Quantumania timeline here: ruclips.net/video/SReNBPoHdLc/видео.html. Hope you enjoy them!
i was really thinking that the Disney one wasn't so bad but as soon as I saw the switch between the fan made and the Disney timeline it became so horribly apparent
Totally. It's pretty shocking. Hopefully Marvel will do a better job in Phase 5 of addressing the issues that have led to so much of a difference between fan perceptions and Marvel's intention. I'm cautiously optimistic. Thanks so much for watching and adding your thoughts!
I do like everything about the fan timeline for phase 4, but my issue with it is that Multiverse of Madness could’ve happened before the final swing of no way home, placing it in November 2024. Other than that great video! Edit:(The Sam Rami point about marvel not telling him about the time was a great point! I think marvel got hit hard by the pandemic and got shaken up a bit. Great video and I agreed with almost all of you points!)
Yes, I agree that the pandemic really shook things up and made it very difficult to get Phase 4 out. It's honestly amazing that we got what we did. And one result of the disarray is that the creative teams (like Raimi) were out of sync with Marvel. Hopefully moving into Phase 5 things will get better. I have faith Feige has learned alot from this phase and is ready for some stability with his forward planning of Phase 5 and 6. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
20:20 Well episode 3 of shehulk confirms it takes place after Spider man no way home and Doctor Strange 2 because Wong mentions the book used in the second movie. I don’t remember the name. Other than that everything else fits wel
Right, She hulk happens in May (or later) of 2025 as it is after Moon Knight (Apr 2025) and before Ms. Marvel (Sep 2025). That places it after NWH and Dr. Strange MoM, as you state. So it seems it all fits in pretty well in the end. It was just tricky getting to that timeline due to the misleading interviews from the creative teams. And thus, some fans still insist She-Hulk happens closer to Shang Chi and thus in mid-2024. But Disney+ seems to disagree on that, as well as the new references in Ep 3. So you are definitely correct in all that you said. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Since the pandemic messed up with everything I do believe they're trying to "fix the mistakes"... and the 5 years statement in Eternals for example was like... part of the OLD timeline plan, something like that you know? So yeah... we really have to follow Disney+ cause they probably have a whole new plan for the Timeline...
Yup, the pandemic really made things very difficult for Marvel. But I am still worried about the two biggest issues of prepping the creative teams to know when their movie/show occurs in the timeline instead of letting them wing it and also the issue of using cultural events in the movie but ignoring when they happen in the real world. I hope they address those.
Yes, that is definitely tricky for some movies with long durations. In particular, Thor 2 covers a year and 1/2, Dr. Strange 1 is about a year span, and No Way Home is a good 6 months. So those get very tricky on placement. But I do still feel the biggest issue is the lack of communication between the Timeline Keeper and the creative teams giving the interviews. Hopefully Phase 5 will be more organized as they have it really well planned out. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Yea my biggest complaint is dr strange. Not even complaint but if his movie is canonically 2017 then he trained for a year infinity war would’ve happened in the SAME year his movie ended? Or is the END of dr strange in 2017? Maybe you said that I’m not sure. But him even being considered sorcerer supreme over wong seems weird.(even if deserved) he only trained for what a year then got blipped?
@@Mazininthe9 Good questions on the Dr. Strange movie. Marvel sets it as happening in 2016-2017 and the Marvel Fandom Wiki then places the months being Feb 2016 - Jan 2017. So it does seem it ended well before Infinity War, which is May 2018. I've got a timeline on my google drive located here: drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1R_PrexMkTjYpQAraxlhzs2U5EPJEPioc that tries to lay it all out, if that helps. The timeline can be tricky, but I think Dr. Strange works out okay once it is placed in that timeframe.
here's how i'm pretty sure it goes: Loki (Multiverse) What If...? (Multiverse) WandaVision (Nov. 2023) Eternals (Nov. 2023) Shang-Chi (April 2024) Falcon and Winter Soldier (April 2024) Thor: Love and Thunder (May 2024) Moon Knight (June 2024) Spider-Man: Far From Home (June 2024) Spider-Man: No Way Home (Nov. 2024) Doctor Strange in The MoM (Nov. 2024) Hawkeye (Dec. 2024) Ms. Marvel (June 2024)
Yep, your timeline falls in pretty closely to what I call the typical fan timeline. MoM was originally thought to be in early 2025 based on Raimi's comments, but most fans have agreed it should be Nov 2024. NWH actually starts right after FFH, so technically is Jul - Dec, but it is still in the same placement you have laid out. And Thor is a tough one. Will be interesting to see where they place it, but I have seen alot of fans theorizing it is where you have it. It's just fascinating to see the difference between the fan timeline vs. the Disney+ timeline. Wild stuff. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your timeline!
Old marvel connected every movie with each other so it was really easy to place it on the timeline. They were also released roughly when they takes place. After civil war however I feel it became confusing.
That's a good point. The timeline did start to get more confusing after Civil War. That said, by the time Endgame hit, it seemed like they got everything laid out pretty nicely, even if they had to fix that terrible "8 years later" graphic in Homecoming. Then Phase 4 hit and it got pretty confusing again. Hoping things get more clear as we enter Phase 5.
I think that for Phases 1-3, I like to watch it in chronological order, but I agree, Phase 4 has been all over the place. However, here are a few reasons to try watching Phase 4 in chronological order are: 1. Watching WandaVision and FATWS prior to Far From Home (which is technically Phase 3, but is actually well into Phase 4) is more satisfying, because Far From Home treated the blip in a pretty light-hearted and jokey fashion, while both WandaVision and FATWS helped show just how major of an impact it really was on people. FFH fits better after those two from a viewing standpoint. 2. Watching FFH and NWH back to back is more enjoyable than in release order. Those two really fit well without anything else in between and if watched in release order, there are literally 8 shows/movies in between. Yikes. 3. Watching NWH and then MoM and finally Hawkeye fits those three in a better order. NWH leads right into MoM and watching those two back to back is nice, rather than watching Moon Knight in between them (if watching in release order). And Hawkeye dovetails off the final scene of NWH, but it was release prior to NWH. 4. Watching Loki before WandaVision helps explain the final scene of WandaVision where she's hearing her kids voices. I was really confused by that the first time I watched WandaVision, but after watching Loki, it was more clear they were calling from the multiverse. 5. Black Widow is much more impactful if watched after Civil War rather than in release order, which puts it in Phase 4. I am Groot also makes more sense if watched along with GotG Vol 2. For the rest of the shows and movies, the order doesn't matter as much, per se. However, if you watch the above shows/movies in chronological order, I think it enhances the story and things make more sense. At that point, it then makes sense to watch the rest in chronological order as well, even if the story doesn't really change much. Just my take though. Thanks so much for watching the video and sharing your thoughts!
Yes, I do believe Thor Love and Thunder is going to be placed in late summer 2025. I didn't include it in the video as it hasn't come out on Disney+ yet (although it will hit D+ on Thursday the 8th!) and so it isn't officially placed on their timeline yet. As for the other shows and movies, yes, it is abit confusing because alot happens in a short period of time. There are 14 tv shows/movies that occur post endgame and they all happen in a span of less than 2 years. But they are spread out and don't all occur right after endgame. Falcon and the Winter soldier, for instance, is 6 months later. Far From Home is 8 months later, and Hawkeye is over a year later. So the 14 tv shows and movies are spread out over the 2 year span. I hope that makes sense. Fire away with any additional questions and I'll be happy to answer them as best I can. Really appreciate you watching the video and leaving your thoughts!
Hey, about ms marvel, schools in a lot of areas start in July now and go year round with small breaks through the year. This may be what they are doing. The end of June/beginning of July for Ms Marvel and the school year would make it work.
That's a good theory. I think the issue will be that New Jersey and New York have the same school years and we've seen that Peter Parker's school lets out in June and he's out of school in July and August as well, based on the timing of Far From Home and the beginning of No Way Home. Thus, Kamala's school year would be the same as Peters and would start in September. I think they just ignored when Eid happens in the real world but wanted to include it in the show so we could learn more about Muslim festivals. And in that regard, it worked, as I've learned so much about Eid after doing all this research! Anyway thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate the dialogue!
Thank god there was a great offering from Marvel in 2020 with the final season of Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D., which Marvel Studios promoted a lot in their social medias, it seems like Coulson and the Gang really delivered something amazing for the MCU during the pandemic. #YoureWelcome #AgentsOfShieldIsCanon #CoulsonLives
I thought the same thing. It was ironic that Marvel had kinda moved on from AoS at that point and then when the pandemic hit and nothing else was being released so they were suddenly was like, "Hey, look over there, we have content during the pandemic...go watch AoS!" Plus, the final season was pretty darn awesome. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!
From the research I’ve done, THIS SHOULD be the timeline for phase 4: 2014 or 2015- I am Groot 2016 Black Widow 2023 (in order) Avengers: Endgame Eternals Spider-Man: Far From Home (I know this one and Endgame aren’t phase 4, but it’s important) Falcon & Winter Soldier WandaVision Spider-Man: No Way Home Hawkeye 2024: Moon Knight (this one specifically could really go anywhere. This is just where I chose to put it) Dr. Strange in The Multiverse of Madness Shang-Chi She-Hulk Ms. Marvel Thor: Love & Thunder And Loki’s the weird one.
Wow, that's the one of the most unique timelines I've seen yet. Thanks for sharing it. Let me ask a few questions, as you really have me curious about some of the order. 1. Far From Home is happening at the start of Peter's summer break and is right after school got out. That's why it is commonly placed in Jun/Jul of 2024. 2. Backing up from Far From Home, Endgame is commonly place in October of 2023 because Betty mentions that everyone who was blipped returned "8 months ago". 3. Falcon and the Winter soldier has several refences to it happening six months after the blip, such as how long Sam has been in the military. There are also several mentions of April, which is why it is commonly placed in April - June of 2024. 4. Spiderman: No Way Home picks up right after Far From Home (which ends over summer break in 2024) and then extends from July to December as we see Halloween decorations and finally Christmas decorations. 5. Multiverse of Madness has several scenes that show trees with leaves that have just started to fall (such as the scene with Gargantos) so it is likely that it happened in Nov of 2024, right before the final closing scene of No Way Home with Spidey swinging thru New York at Christmas. 6. Hawkeye is Dec, 2024 as it happens around the same time as the end of No Way Home. It also seems like there would be no plays featuring the Avengers during the blip (there wasn't anything to celebrate with 1/2 the population gone) and then it would likely take a full year before they could get that play together, so Hawkeye doesn't seem likely to be Dec of 2023, but rather Dec of 2024. The other titles that are in 2024 are probably okay in that order, but when you move some of the 2023 titles to 2024 it may shift some things around. Hope that helps. I think there are some elements of several of the movies that place them in specific locations, while others can be placed more freely in the timeline. It's alot of fun trying to sort out the timeline. Thanks so much for sharing your list. I really appreciate hearing what others think!
@A bit of Everything this is why my order is like this: 1. In Far From Home, it is stated that they will have to repeat their last school year. Considering thar Peter is a sophomore in Homecoming, which is in 2016, and since Infinity War is in 2018, he should be a senior then. Since he only starts to repeat the school year in No Way Home, that means that those movies have to be in 2023, or Peter would be repeating his school year twice. 2. Honestly, I’m not sure what you’re asking here. 3. Based on how the environment looks, I believe Endgame to be in spring/summer of 2023. 4. Yes, that is correct. I placed it where I did based on where the bulk of the movie takes place, which is in the fall. 5. I suppose it could be possible to shift MOM back, but I think it looks more like spring personally. 6. Based on what I said about NWH already, Hawkeye is in 2023 too, most likely taking place a few weeks after NWH at the most. Also, I know it wasn’t in the final show, but there was a line in one of the trailers where they said “this is our first Christmas in years,” and based on the way everyone acts, it really does feel like this is the first Christmas the Bartons have had together since The Snap. I hope I explained this well enough for you to understand, but I think this kinda hard to explain. I’m working on an MCU timeline video for my second channel, though, so hopefully I’ll explain it better there.
@@gechoman44iwantahippo Thanks for this engaging discussion. I really appreciate it. Okay, let's go back to Peter's High School timeline, as that is indeed very important. Here is how I think it goes: Peter's Freshman Year: 2015 - 2016 Civil War: May - June of 2016, in the tail end of his Freshman Year Peter's Sophomore Year: 2016 - 2017 Spiderman: Homecoming: September of 2016, which is early in his Sophomore Year Peter's Junior Year Round I: 2017 - 2018 Infinity War: May of 2018, which is the tail end of his Junior Year. In Far From Home, Betty says the snap happened over midway through the school year and they had already taken midterms. So Peter is on a school trip near the end of his Junior Year. 5 Year Blip: May of 2018 to October 2023. Far From Home is set in June right before summer break. In Far From Home, Betty mentions it was over 5 years since everyone vanished it's been 8 months since everyone returned from the blip. 8 months before the June timeframe of Far From Home would be October, meaning they returned from the blip in October. Endgame: October of 2023. Peter's Junior Year Round II: 2023 - 2024. They started back to school right after coming back from the blip and redid Junior year. Spiderman: Far From Home: June - July of 2024 over summer break after Junior Year. Spiderman: No Way Home: The start of the movie is in July of 2024, picking up right after Far From Home Peter's Senior Year: 2024 - 2025. Spiderman: No Way Home: The rest of the movie is Sep - Dec 2024, which happens during his senior year. I think we need to establish this much or you are correct, nothing else falls into place. Look that over and let me know what you think. Betty's comment that it's been 8 months since everyone returned from the blip is a critical piece to the puzzle.
I dont think the pandemic is the cause of the horrible movies and shows were getting is just them making really bad decisions.. they want more..more..more and more money and they keep making the same mistakes that in fase 4 really showed up.. they just need to hit the breaks and start making good scripts.
There is no doubt that the rush to get some of the movies / shows out is part of the issue. I think the pandemic was a bigger issue than we may ever know, however, since most of the "Assembled" specials on Disney+ show the film crew in masks, so it likely had a huge impact on quality to have to deal with covid protocols. But you are right, a bad script is a bad script regardless of the pandemic. Hopefully we will see the quality increase as we move into Phase 5. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Excellent point. Loki has to be watched sometime after endgame, and from a timing standpoint, it really makes the most sense to watch it right after endgame. The ramifications of what Loki did impacts so many other post-endgame shows/movies. Heck that even includies WandaVision, which came out before Loki, but has the end credit scene with her kids calling out to her from a different universe, which makes way more sense after watching Loki.
Definitely agree that Gao was talking about the inhibitor in her quote...good call on that. But strangely it still doesn't end up being a short amount of time after Shang Chi. She-Hulk must occur in 2025 due to other references in the series (the No Way Home Spell, Rogers the Musical opening in LA after opening in New York, Wong getting Blonsky out of jail happening after the attack on Kamar-Taj in MoM, etc). And if it is in 2025, then it is nearly a year after the Shang Chi end credit scene. I have to wonder if Gao had any idea when things were really happening. She did a great job of making references to so many other Phase 4 entries, but it didn't seem she had any idea how late that placed She-Hulk in the timeline.
Yeah, bottom line is to enjoy the MCU experience. Timeline discussions are alot of fun, but I never want to take away from the fun of watching the shows/movies. I am hopeful by Phase 5 they tighten things up abit, however. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Yup, I agree. I mean, on one hand, I give props to Marvel for wanting to include culturally significant events to help expand our understanding of other's belief systems and cultures. But then to just ignore when they actually occur and to place the stories in a different time setting is just bizarre and, as you mention it is ultimately disrespectful.
I don't really care about the timeline placement in phase 4 tbh. Most projects are more or less separate and independent except maybe Loki, NWH and MoM.
I agree, the timeline doesn't matter too much. That said, there are a few connections that do dictate at least some of the order of the timeline. In each case below, the movies/shows must occur in the order listed due to references: - FFH, NWH, MoM - WandaVision, MoM - Shang Chi, NWH, She-Hulk - Loki, WandaVision (she heard her kids from across the multiverse), What If (triggered by Loki), NWH, MoM - FATWS, Moon Knight (GRC mention) - FATWS, Eternals (Sprite mentions "Captain Rogers" vs. Captain America, because Sam had become the new new Captain America already) - Eternals, She-Hulk (Tiamet reference) - NWH, Hawkeye (Christmas themed and mentions Statue of Liberty from NWH) - Black Widow, Hawkeye (Yelena tie) - WandaVision, Ms. Marvel (both directly tie into The Marvels) So when you start to piece all of those together, a timeline does start to form. Anyway, thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate it!
I disagree with any timeline that says NWH takes place in July or December, the prologue is in July and the epilogue is in December but the actual heart of the movie seems to happen in September. If you are gonna say NWH takes place July-December then technically Eternals is the first movie in the MCU because the beginning of that movie takes place thousands of years ago.
Good feedback. I definitely see your point. What makes NWH so tricky is that unlike Eternals, it doesn't have flashbacks taking place in the past, but rather picks up right after FFH with the opening scene in present day. That's why it doesn't seem as much like a prologue to me as it is instead the actual start of the movie in present day. Likewise, the ending does tie directly into the main movie narrative and caps off the entire movie with Peter finding a new way forward. So while only a small portion is in December, it is part of the main narrative. But I do agree that the majority of the movie is from around September to November timeframe. It's just such a different beast from movies that have flashbacks in them to scenes before the present day of the movie. I view Eternals more like Thor: Love & Thunder in that Thor had flashbacks all the way to Jane and Thor dating in 2015 and also had flashbacks to Jane's cancer discovery in April. But the present day part of the movie is in late September/early October. Hope that makes sense. I definitely acknowledge your points, I just think NWH is unique in how it is structured. Anyway, I really appreciate you watching and sharing your thoughts. I enjoy hearing what other MCU fans are thinking!
@@AbitofEverything4U That makes sense, just a different point of view on the matter. Side note: Does your video of the phase 4 timeline ignoring Disney+ have Wakanda Forever spoilers, I'm really looking forward to watching it, especially since I just finished the phase 1-3 video but am avoiding spoilers for Wakanda Forever until I can watch it on Disney+.
@@masonfoster619 Good question on the the Phase 4 timeline video. You should be safe to watch it as it doesn't mention any plot points from Wakanda Forever. I made the video shortly before WF came out, so it does go over Werewolf By Night, but not Wakanda Forever or the Guardians Holiday Special. Thus, both the Phase 4 timeline video and the short addendum with a few more facts are safe to watch prior to seeing Wakanda Forever. The Phase 4 timeline is so much trickier due to the magnitude of content Marvel put out, but I think the timeline works out in the end. Thanks again for watching and sharing your thoughts on everything!
It would be so much easier if they just took place in order they were released. The only one I could excuse (besides movies like black widow) is far from home
Yes, I like things in order of release as well. And for much of Phases 1-3 that was exactly how they did it. I hope they can get back to that again. It's so much easier to understand that way. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!
Yes, that's my understanding as well. The Multiverse of Madness movie basically happens in its entirety before that final scene in the snow. Pretty wild!
Im under the firm belief that all the shows and movies within phase 4 are taking place all at the exact same time and I think She-Hulk proves this with abomination. Obviously excluding Black widow. But I truly believe every other show and movie are taking place during the exact moment in Loki at the end when they're speaking to Kang and everything that is happening in the show is what caused the rupture during that scene.
Interesting concept. That's certainly possible. That said, it seems like some of the shows / movies are intentionally referencing previous shows / movies and that there is some order to them. If nothing else, Far From Home leads to No Way Home leads to Multiverse of Madness leads to Hawkeye. WandaVison also lead to Multiverse of Madness. And of courseShang Chi leads to She-Hulk. So there does seem to be some sequential order. But I do see your point that Loki's ending made everything out of whack. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
IKR? It just seems so strange that there isn't more communication about timeline placement, because you know the creatives will be asked about it. In the cases of the D+ TV shows, the interviews are occurring like a few days before the show will be arriving on the timeline and being placed somewhere different than what was just said in the interview. So bizarre.
It isn't, really. Just because we aren't force-fed what happens and when, doesn't mean it's confusing. This is like when people complained about Steven Moffat's Doctor Who run because it didn't spell out the time travel elements 🙈 use your brain and piece it together.
Oh, I'm with you. I don't mind not being force fed and I do like working out puzzles. But as I mention in the video, there are at least six prominent times that the creative times give a placement for a show/movie and then Disney+ places it somewhere else. Add to that the confusion of referencing cultural events that have actual dates in the real world but then putting them in shows/movies that occur at completely different times of the year. So my frustration is that these things are adding confusion and thus making it harder to know what is accurate or not. Personally, I trust the D+ timeline, but due to those issues above, many people instead trust the creative team's quotes or trust when something happens in the real world (i.e. Eid celebrations). End of the day, I love Marvel and enjoy the work of deciphering the timeline. I just wish they could avoid the false signals which make things more complicated than necessary. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
It’s a real shame that marvel have lost their way with the timeline seen as at the end of phase 3, and especially after endgame tying up a few loose ends, it was perfectly laid out. Now it’s a huge mess. I did a timeline marathon last year, where the only phase 4 projects that had been released were WandaVision, TFATWS, Loki and Black Widow, so it was easy to slot them in. If I did one now, I’d struggle massively cause of all the reasons you’ve highlighted. Personally, I think the best way to determine it is by looking at when the majority of the film takes place. I’d also take into consideration what the creators say, as I don’t really trust the Disney+ timeline. The creators know what they set out to do, and that’s where they intended their film/show to be placed. But it’s really disappointing that marvel have let this happen. And it kind of makes me worried for the future. Is it gonna get to the point where fans are having to work out where 50+ projects fit into the timeline?
Yeah, it's been very disappointing. I am hoping that with Feige laying out the 10 year plan that he's working on as well as fully releasing the Phase 5 and Phase 6 slate (Phase 6 coming at D23), then perhaps they can get a handle on this. I would pay good money to talk to the person that puts stuff on the D+ timeline. I have to assume the placements come from somewhere high up in Marvel, but that would only make the current state of things all the more shocking. Anyway, I do have hope for the future that it will get better. We'll have to wait and see. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Interesting observation. Yes, I agree, it did all start to get confusing at that point. It was a gutsy move by Marvel to jump 5 years like that, but it also lead to some problems as well. Great feedback. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
My version of the Phase Four timeline: Loki What if... WandaVision Eternals Shang-Chi Falcon and Winter Soldier Moon Knight Spider-Man Far From Home Spider-Man No Way Home Dr. Strange ItMoM Hawkeye She-Hulk Ms. Marvel I feel that this is a good mix of the fan's timeline and the Disney+ timeline.
Yes, I agree, that's a good mix of both. Eternals is one of the ones that I just can't wrap my head around the D+ placement. Shang-Chi is easier for me to move if I accept that it doesn't happen during the real-world timing of the Qingming festival, but Eternals really seems to fit in Nov 2024 where you have it. Thanks for watching and sharing your timeline. I really like the feedback and enjoy learning what others are thinking.
The Ajax scenes in eternals happens a while before the actual now time events of the movie so in a way it does make sense eternals being placed there. Ajax died inn2024 the rest of the movie is in 2025
I would love for that to be the solution, as it fixes everything. However, I believe Ikaris explains that his encounter with Ajak, where he killed her, was just six days prior to the main part of the movie. He mentions that when they find out about the Celestials plan and Ikaris comes clean about what he did while they are all talking on the Domo ship. But I really do like that explanation in concept.
man i would've loved to see the timeline how it was originally planned. doctor strange before spiderman 3 sounds like it would've made for a much better plot. fuck covid.
Yep, Dr. Strange and SM 3 getting swapped really caused problems. I also forgot to mention how a large portion of Falcon and the Winter Soldier got redone due to a plot that was written well before covid hit, but ended up being too similar to the real world pandemic. That's why the flag smashers story seemed so off at times. Covid is the worst. Anyway, thanks for watching and commenting!
@@AbitofEverything4U it was a great video and explained a lot of things for me. i really do hope that this will have been a problem for this phase only and that phase 5 will return the MCU to its former glory, although i doubt it.
@@Creamworks I"m abit concerned myself. While Phase 5 won't have a pandemic to deal with and hopefully won't have more directors getting fired, I'm not sure if Marvel will be addressing the other issues. Perhaps with Feige doing a 10 year outlook they can do a better job of laying out a timeline and getting on the page with the creative teams. Here's hoping for the best!
Excellent! That will really help. Fans love the small details and so the more Marvel can do to keep things straight the better. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Exactly. And that's my key point that trying to make a linear timeline with non linear stories is tricky. Not impossible, but definitely tricky. Certainly makes things interesting to say the least. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Amen! I have high hopes for that happening. Feige said they are planning out the next 10 years, so that should let them keep the timeline in better order. And of course they won't have a pandemic to deal with. Amazing they got everything to us that they did in Phase 4 with all that was going on. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Honestly the only place where I disagree with the Disney Plus timeline is for Thor The Dark World and Eternals, everything else seem more or less fine for me
Yeah, I pretty much agree with the timeline as well. I can let Thor 2 go, since I see why they put it there. But I can also see why it makes more sense with Iron Man 3 coming first. Eternals is also hard to accept where Disney has it, but I just keep assuming there must be a reason. It has yet to surface, but maybe we will learn one day why it's been placed there. Anyway, thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
The D+ timeline doesn't even give months. or years where are you getting this information? Also These shows can be happening at the same time. "shut up OnlyOneTyping, I'm just making a video to boost my channel views up" okay.
Great question. It's a combination of the relative placements in the timeline since some shows, like Hawkeye, are in December due to Christmas or others like Far From Home give specific timing around the school year (June-July due to summer break), plus looking at clues in the film like dates shown on screen or amounts of time since a previous movie, etc. I have a playlist of timeline videos where I go through the ones that take some detective work. Feel free to check those out and let me know what you think. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Keving5g...now that made me laugh. And yes, I agree. Never let the creative teams free associate and just pull things out of thin air...they need to be prepped and given what to say. I just don't get why that doesn't happen. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Right, there are two Eid celebrations each year: Eid al-Fitr (March/April ) and Eid al-Adha (June). There is a brief, but important, dialogue where Bruno says "Eid again" and Ms. Marvel mentions it is the "lessor Eid", which was an inside joke by the writers, who always felt the second Eid wasn't as fun because they don't get presents. So the Eid being celebrated is the second Eid, which would place the show in June. However, so many internal clues indicate it is really in September, such as Fall/Beginning of the school year related posters at school (voting for Homecoming Queen), a September 9th date on a poster, in Ep 3 Bruno has a September calendar displayed at the Circle Q, Kamala hasn't taken the SAT or submitted college applications, and Kamran is a transfer student which wouldn't make sense at the end of a school year. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for watching and for adding your thoughts!
@@AbitofEverything4U oh, I forgot about Bruno saying that it was another Eid. Thanks for the correction! And yeah I get where you're coming from when you say that it takes place at around September.
@@dangerbuffrocky Oh, sorry, didn't mean to sound like I was correcting you. I missed that the first time I watched the show and assumed it was the first Eid, too, until someone pointed it out. And yeah, it just feels like September makes more sense. So it's another case of a cultural event happening in a movie at a different time then it happens IRL. Oh well, makes it more interesting for us to sort it all out, I guess!
The cultural events i think is a produck of 2 things... Disney pushing Diversity (leave anti woke or whatever coment you want) and reschedualing for filming due to pandemic... Pre pandemic phase 4 slate was a fimpletley diffrent beast then what we ultamantley got and i am 100% shocked that the revealed as much as they did for phase 5 and 6 at comicon after this and after the drama with the pase 3 anouncment before AOU came out. Now everybody has a expectation of what wull dome that if more "crazy unforseen stuff" happens what will they do?
Oh man, I hope they fix things for Phase 5/6. Yeah, I agree, if it isn't more organized, that will be an issue. I was amazed by how much of what you suggested for the reasons about Phase 4 being so timeline challenged were similar to what I was thinking as well. We were on the same wavelength for sure!
@@AbitofEverything4U How i place phase 4 watch order 1. Loki (outside of time) 2. WandaVision (fall 2023) 3. Shang Chi (spring 2024) 4. FARWS (late spring 2024) 5. Eternals (late spring early summer 2024) placed before far from home because head cannon mysterio used events in eternals to make his lies seem more real. 6. Spiderman 2 (Summer 2024) 7. Spiderman 3 (Summer - November 2024) placed in nov because its after halloween. 8. Hawkeye (christmas 2024) 9. Doc Strange 2 (end of winter early spring 2025) 10. Moon knight (spring to summer 2025) note might be wat later but i like it before thor 4 because it introduces the idea of more gods. 11. Thor 4 (summer 2025) 12. Miss Marvel (late summer early fall 2025) She hulk is tbd
I like it! There is no doubt that Phase 4 has led to many different timeline formations. Yours is a nice combo of both fan placements (Shang Chi and Dr. Strange) and D+ placements (Eternals, Moon Knight and Ms. Marvel), in regards to the ones with the most controversy. Some fans place Eternals in Nov 2023, Moon Knight in June 2024 and Ms. Marvel in June 2025, but I like your placements better. Shang Chi is a tough one and I am hoping She-Hulk helps nail it down better. But your placement definitely makes sense with the Qingming festival reference. And Dr. Strange MoM was stated to be late winter/early spring by Sam Raimi, so that placement follows his logic nicely. D+ places Shang Chi and MoM differently, but your placements make sense as well. I wish No Way Home would show up in the timeline. That would help alot. But I also think She-Hulk will continue to tell us more as it goes on. Thanks for sharing your timeline!
@@AbitofEverything4U i was thinking it be cool if she hulk did 3 lirfle arcs all taking place at diffrent times... Example orgin right after eg ep 2 through 4 after shang then 5 to 7 after spiderman and 8 and 9 after mom. I also like trying to split shows with movies on eatch order to make it flow better.
That's what I'm hoping. Have you seen that confirmed? I have seen alot of stories assuming that is the date, but no official confirmation. Fingers crossed!
@@AbitofEverything4U geekrique makes a good point off the good connections off moon knight and love and thunder what Chris said about moon knight the moon is about the days
@@Dukestour78 I saw that video, too. I thought it was very interesting, but I still suspect that Thor Love and Thunder happens in 2025. But we will soon find out, as I think it will indeed hit Disney+ before long. I also think that while Moon Knight had easter eggs placed there by the creative team hinting at a June 2024 date, that we ultimately have to go with what Marvel has decided is the timeline. But I do understand why fans still like to use the June 2024 date instead. It is clearly what the creative team intended.
@@AbitofEverything4U she hulk could take place around Mid April ending off Shang chi ending she hulk of end of April to May could be the falcon to early May and then Thor love and thunder the June what Chris said moon knight could be June it’s all over the place once geekrique helps we get something
@@Dukestour78 Yes, I think that's the order that Geekritique and Chris Evans have landed on. It's certainly a reasonable timeline to go by. It doesn't align with what Disney+ is saying, but that's okay for people to disagree with Disney. However, I do think that when Wong shows up in She Hulk that we will get some very important clues. It seems from the trailers like Wong is wearing the outfit he moved to in Multiverse of Madness, rather than the outfit he wore in Shang Chi and No Way Home. So that could be a big clue that She Hulk happens after MoM. But we'll have to wait and see what future She Hulk episodes reveal. Thanks as always for all the great dialogue!
Good question. I covered that in my She-Hulk episode 3 video, but the summary is that the video was recorded many months prior but was released to the media likely due to the sudden popularity of Blonsky due to his parole hearing. She-Hulk Ep 2 made it look like the video had been both filmed and released recently. But there was actually a long time between the filming and the release.
how about this, loki unleashed all varients of Kang by accident, which also broke the timeline, which is why most of the MCU timeline might not match up?
I've had a few people blame Loki for the timeline strangeness. That's certainly possible. I also wonder if the blip caused people reset some of the festivals and cultural events, which is why they are occurring at different times of the year than in the real world. Just a crazy thought. Anyway, thanks for watching and sharing your theories!
Thanks! I try to stay positive and I do feel that Phase 4 delivered alot of good content. And I'm even more excited for Phase 5 because I think the things that hurt Phase 4 (such as the pandemic) won't be an issue and also they have things so well planned out. The future of the MCU is bright. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
I don’t think it make sense for she hulk to be so long after shang chi after seeing episode 3. Episode 3 with Wong implies heavily that he had portalled the abomination to that fighting ring not too long ago. It’s presented as if it happened a few days earlier or longest a few weeks earlier. According to Disney+, it would have been almost a year later which realistically wouldn’t have Wong explaining what happened like it was yesterday. Also, a video of Abomination leaking to the press a year later randomly would be super weird and oddly convenient that it happened right before his potential release from prison (keep in mind it leaked at the end of episode 2 before the entire media starting talking about the Ambination’s release so I don’t think you can argue that the leak was reactionary to the news). When phones exist and everyone films everything this would take hours or the most days to leak online so why was it only leaked almost a year after the fight? Wouldn’t it be all over RUclips with clickbaity titles like "THE GUY WHO DESTROYED HARLEM HAS RETRURNED?!" in July 2024? 😂 (which is Disney’s own date for Shang chi!) It just seems really off more than anything else on the timeline. I can get on board with MoM taking place after NWH but before the final swing and Hawkeye or Moon Knight and Ms Marvel taking place in 2025 with real-world continuity errors cause I can look past them and they don’t affect the main MCU storyline just outer-world connection. But she-hulk’s placement just seems unnatural in the timeline. I just wonder what it would be like to watch Phase 4 chronologically now…
Yes, I definitely agree that She-Hulk in 2025 is abit head-scratching. Nearly a full year later for the video release is strange. I think there might be an explanation for the video release timing, though. I suspect that whoever released it, did it to mess up Blonsky's parole. In Shang Chi it is mentioned that the fight club is found on the dark web, so the video might have been out there, but in a very secret location. Someone like Val (who I suspect) found it and was going to use it as leverage to get Blonsky to work for her. Val was going to work her own magic to get Blonsky out on parole herself and thus get him in her debt and the video might have been used as leverage. So when Jen suddenly took the case to get him out on parole, Val leaked the video to try to keep him in prison, so she could be the one to get him out. This is all just a guess, but I really think Val will show up eventually to recruit him and that she's been manipulating things behind the scenes. So the video might have never leaked, if not for Val (or whoever) wanting to wreck Blonsky's parole. Also, I didn't sense from what Wong said that the cage fight happened recently, but I might have missed it. What dialogue made it seem that way? But I do agree with you that the Disney+ timeline works okay for the most part. She-Hulk is definitely making it harder to all fit together. But I think it could work. Anyway, thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
@A bit of Everything I like your theory with Val. That would certainly explain why it was released by strategy at that given time. Also, for some reason I completely forgot the fight club was on the dark web. I need to rewatch Shang Chi, haven't seen it since it came out! And the dialogue between Jen and Wong sounded to me like he was explaining recent events and not something that had happend a full year prior. Maybe that's just me but idk. But I'd like to point out that, as you said in your video, the writers of She-Hulk believed that it takes place a few months after Shang Chi which, even if that is wrong according to Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios, if the writers and directors thought it was I would assume it was written with that intention in mind. Maybe that's why I felt the implication it was recent events. But again, maybe it's just me.
@@leoalper4530 Yes, I totally agree with you that there is no doubt that the writers thought She-Hulk was close to Shang Chi. So strange that they also thought it was after No Way Home, which immediately means it wasn't close to She-Hulk. Both can't be true. So that means the Timeline Keeper isn't doing a good job of explaining the timeline to the creative teams. That's really what is so misleading. We hear a writer/director give an interview and say one thing and then, like two days later, the show appears on D+ and totally contradicts the creative team. So we are left trying to decide whether to believe their interview or the D+ timeline placement. So strange that Marvel keeps doing this over and over. They are shooting themselves in the foot. I truly hope they get this corrected for Phase 5 and beyond.
@@AbitofEverything4U I feel like Wong talking about a memory wipe spell in She Hulk does not necessarily have to indicate it takes place after NWH. I mean for the viewers, it is clearly a nod to that but in universe, it could just be a reference to the spell in general. After all, we know Wong and Strange have done memory wiping spells prior to NWH. Albeit not at that scale (now with the re-release of NWH we know the Spell completely wiped all records of Peter in photos and documents so it's on a massive scale) but still, they have some experience in it and they already knew how messy it was. That's why Wong told Strange not to do it in NWH.
@@leoalper4530 I would agree that Wong might have been talking about some other time of casting the memory loss spell (other than NWH), but the fact that he called is messy is a second nod to the NWH. When Strange mentioned having cast it earlier so no one would remember the party they had, Wong didn't even remember it having been cast, meaning it didn't create a mess and it actually worked. So I think it's more than just a nod to viewers, but indicates he's talking about the NWH spell. Additionally, he's wearing the new outfit he started wearing in Dr. Strange: MoM, again pointing to being after NWH/MoM. And of course D+ places She-Hulk in mid 2025. So it seems to me it is a clear reference to NWH, but hopefully Wong's second appearance in Ep 4 will clear it up some more. Again, I place all the blame on Marvel for not talking to Jessica Gao about where the show was going to be in the timeline. It seems there is little communication between the Timeline Keeper and the creative teams, even though Gao implied they speak frequently. Sigh.
I got another good theory why she hulk is in 2024 here me out May 2024 I’m going to place this one this probably by far my best one to date Shang Chi takes place in March when Jenifer mentions she was on a road trip with Bruce yes that Bruce lol a few months had a road trip equals March off 2023 the road trip takes place after the post credits off Shang chi she’s in her normal world off May 2024 just a few days after the events off the falcon and the winter soldier takes place I say May 5th then it carry’s on 9 to days on so that would add up to the 16 if you forget the weekends lol if you add them you get up to 16th of May I don’t know if court trails happens in weekends in the states just say 16th okay then Thor love and Thunder plays out for the rest of the whole off movie then we await the series off moon knight plays the rest of June as the dates what Chris stated still happens then far from home and I’m still trying to baffle out with the poster on the bus in Shang chi so let’s be clear here so let’s be clear shang chi end of March to early April 2024 Bruce and jens trip and training April 2024 Jen In normal mode May 2024 the falcon and the winter soldier April to early may 2024 but here me out here again i have herd mark ruffalo is not going to be in much off she hulk only one or two three eps at least
Yes, I think the order will work as long as She Hulk Ep 1's flashback starts after Shang Chi's end credit. So your order would work. I do think, however, that when Wong shows up that we will learn more. Based on his outfit from the trailer, it is his outfit from MoM and not from Shang Chi and No Way Home. So perhaps he will give some dialogue that places She Hulk after MoM. We will just have to wait and see on that. But I do agree that your order would work with what we know at this point.
@@AbitofEverything4U and I have herd there was supposed to be a scene with the grandmaster in love and thunder but that was cut from the movie who knows it might off been he sent his ship to find either Thor or his champion the hulk so this why she hulk was different instead off the comics that the rocket you see was not for Jen it was for Bruce trying to target him and take him back to sacar and he will be successful at the end of the show and I think that’s how we are going to get the world war hulk project on that topic of hulk I have herd from cosmic wonder this very very interesting the hulk movie rights will indeed go back to marvel in June 2023 so they can finally get a marvel hulk movie universal can’t do anything about it they have lost the rights it’s all over the internet last week
@@AbitofEverything4U remember this the story in Australia this was like around October time of last year they had posters on there busses for no way home they put the posters for no way home early on there buses so it might be the same Easter egg what we saw in shang chi in the bus in San Francisco
@@Dukestour78 Yes, it does seem that someone from Sakaar is looking for the Hulk. Could be the Grandmaster, could be Skaar, his son, could be someone to tell him about his son. It's interesting that they recognized him as Bruce, since theoretically he was never revealed as having a human side while on Sakaar. But when you add in the Cosmic Wonder's point about the Hulk's movie rights perhaps returning to Marvel soon, it does make me believe there could be a World War Hulk movie or at least some type of Hulk movie coming soon. Cool stuff!
@@AbitofEverything4U it could happen it’s all over Google I like warren everything always and cosmic calture and Dakota in fact when I’m putting or displaying my mcu projects I do the timeline way what Dakota has taught us as the Ms marvel Easter egg on the other hand I think maybe Kamala visited that bathroom and vandalised the toilet lol for her logo idea but remember this we do stupid things when we where kids lol
Right...I think Wong's appearance will definitely help validate the Disney+ placement. It still makes Jessica Gao's comment odd, but I think the Disney+ placement is correct.
@@NorJoshua She-Hulk Ep 2 certainly made it seems that way. However, keep in mind that there is a gap between the flashback in She-Hulk Ep 1 and the rest of the series, with the gap being around 2 months, which we learned in Ep 1. So the order of events is panning out to be the following: 1. Smart Hulk puts on the inhibitor that turns him from Smart Hulk back to Banner (unknown timing) 2. Banner appears in Shang Chi end credit scene in human form with inhibitor on. 3. Banner and Jen ride in the car and get in an accident while banner is wearing the inhibitor (sometime after Shang Chi ending, unknown at this point, but according to Disney+ it is several months) 4. Banner gives himself some of Jen's blood and arm is healed. inhibitor is broken and he is Smart Hulk again (24 hours after car crash) 5. Smart Hulk trains She-Hulk and she eventually returns to her job (2 months from car crash, per the beginning of Ep 1) 6. Rest of She-Hulk happens, including the release of the cage fight. What made things seem confusing is that the cage fight video being released to the public could be implied to mean the cage fight just happened. But I suspect we will find that it happened several months prior and someone just leaked it to the public because of Blonsky trying to get parole. Whoever leaked it wanted to get him in trouble and put his parole in jeopardy and was holding onto the video in case they needed it for just such a purpose. So it is still possible that Wong's appearance in She-Hulk is after MoM. We will find out more when he appears and hopefully clears everything up. Craziness, eh?
I get that the MCU is at its world building stage again since we are now experiencing a Thanos-less MCU. But yeah some of the TV shows were kinda sorta meh
Yeah, the pandemic really made things tough and I suspect it impacted the quality alot. Hoping things get better as we move into Phase 5 and 6 as it seems there is alot of planning in advance for those phases. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Actually, I did try to make that point as well, as I completely agree with you. I think discussions on the timeline are fun and do help put the shows/movies in context, but the discussions should never take away from the fun of watching the MCU. Thanks so much for watching the video and sharing your thoughts!
Yeah, I don't disagree. I was trying to stay positive, but Phase 4 has been pretty rough. Some definite shining moments, but hopefully we'll get more consistently strong content going forward. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Just remove the Disney Plus timeline, it makes things too complicated, even when my friends ask about the timeline I give them my timeline and tell them to ignore the Disney Plus timeline it's just too contradictory
Yeah, the D+ timeline is a helpful starting point, but I do think adding in the months for each show/movie is critical. I have a timeline located on my Google Drive, if you want to check it out: drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1R_PrexMkTjYpQAraxlhzs2U5EPJEPioc. Let me know what you think and if I should make any changes. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Very fair comment. I think many agree that is an issue. I give Marvel some slack due to the pandemic affecting quality, but the quantity has definitely impacted the quality as well. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
I personally have given up on the MCU. The would need another movie that is as great as Iron Man or Infinity War, and I don't want to trudge through what they are publishing right now. I couldn't care less if they stay somewhat successful or not
I definitely understand your frustration. Phase 4 has been rough due to so many different issues. I truly think Phase 5 will be alot better though. I think they have addressed the issues that were bogging them down and I suspect we will be pleased with what's coming next. So don't give up yet, but I do understand your frustration. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
I can definitely understand that line of thinking, due to the release of the cage fighting video. I actually did a few She-Hulk timeline videos and it seems like there has to be a gap between Shang Chi and She-Hulk. Check out these videos and let me know what you think: She-Hulk ep 1 thoughts: ruclips.net/video/iw5rjVYyXVU/видео.html She-Hulk ep 2 thoughts: ruclips.net/video/MMKN45mEnZg/видео.html She-Hulk ep 3 thoughts: ruclips.net/video/5CWNj9QnjRI/видео.html Each is pretty short but addresses the reason I think there isn't an overlap and in fact might be quite a big time gap between the Shang Chi and She-Hulk.
Yeah, I just don't know why someone would tweet things like he did. He was wise to own up to it being completely inappropriate and to apologize for it. But it's still hard to imagine thinking it was okay at the time. I guess we all make mistakes and regret past actions. It's just hard to fathom tweeting that stuff.
He’s such a monster. He said hurtful words. I’m traumatized from it. Maybe I haven’t grown up fully or can’t take any criticism but soon I’ll have chest hair!🥺
@@Us3r739 Definitely agree. His words were very hurtful and I was not surprised at all when Marvel fired him. I give Gunn credit for owning up and apologizing, rather than making lame excuses and trying to minimize it like it was all in the past and we should just ignore it. He took full responsibility for the terrible things he said. But I do understand why it is hard to get over the pain he caused. I don't think it's because you haven't grown up or can't take criticism. Words affect everyone differently and for many his words were very painful. So it's been a tough situation and your feelings are understandable and are valid. I'm sure if Gunn could do so, he would have never done those tweets, but that's the problem with using social media to say hurtful things. The pain doesn't go away for a long time.
@@takima504 I'm not sure I understand why you are upset with me. I said that I have no idea why someone would tweet those things, that they were completely inappropriate, that it's hard to imagine how Gunn could have thought it was okay to tweet, that it's hard to fathom what his thought process was, that his words were hurtful and that Marvel was correct to fire him, that the pain caused by his words lasts for a long time and his apology doesn't take that way. If there is stronger language I should be using, let me know, but I hope I have made it clear that there was simply no excuse for what Gunn did. Period. It was terrible.
Actually, it is all pretty confusing. From a movie standpoint: -- Shang Chi: Fans place in Mar/Apr during the Qingming Festival timing but Disney+ places it in July, which matches the advertisement on the bus -- Eternals: Fans place it in late 2023/early 2024 which matches the movie's dialogue about Thanos' snap but Disney+ places it in Oct/Nov 2024 which is closer to what the Producer Nat Moore said -- MoM: Fans place it in Feb 2025 which matches what Sam Raimi stated while Disney+ places it in Nov 2024 which seems to match the late fall images in the movie I also suspect Thor Love and Thunder is going to become controversial as well, but perhaps not. That said, you are definitely correct that the Disney+ shows are issues, too (Moon Knight and Ms. Marvel in particular), but the movies seem to be just as controversial. Craziness, eh? Anyway, thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Well, many would certainly argue that they don't follow a timeline anymore. : ) However, Disney+ does show a timeline, so I'm just taking them at their word. Hopefully things will get more clear as Phase 4 wraps up. Anyway, thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
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Honestly, the best way to fix this: remove the D+ timeline. It messes everything up, and make the fans theorize about the timeline and let them make something that can be real
Interesting idea. Maybe when a new show or movie comes out, let people vote on where it should be placed first and then see what fans come up with. That would actually be fascinating.
Thank for watching and sharing your feedback!
Man I think phase 4 was just hit so so hard by the pandemic. Like for example the story of falcon and the winter solider had a completely different story because the flag smashers story line was gonna be based on a pandemic😬. I think phase 5 and forward will be much better and more cohesive
Yeah, the pandemic really made things a mess. Good point about the FATWS and the pandemic storyline!
A man made and planned pandemic too. Coming from East Asia. Wouldn’t have painted Disney in the best light
@@pupulauls Good point!
@@AbitofEverything4U do you know when phase 5 will be out?
@@dirt_in_your_eye Yes, all the dates for Phase 5 are included in this short video: ruclips.net/video/XUN_I4rjdO8/видео.html. It also goes over what we know about Phase 6, but we will learn even more this weekend at D23 and I'll do another short recap of those announcements as soon as they are released. Lots of exciting stuff coming!
Also as a whole I think marvel has really learned a lot of hard lessons from this phase. I trust their ability to adapt and course correct
I sure hope so. I'm worried about the two biggest issues of prepping the creative teams to know when their movie/show occurs in the timeline instead of letting them wing it and also the issue of using cultural events in the movie but ignoring when they happen in the real world. I hope they address those, or we will have a mess once again. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
@@AbitofEverything4U I definitely agree. I’m a bit worried as well. Fingers crossed for the best
What annoys me is that the timeline has gone several years forwards needlessly so we're even less likely to catch up with Marvel
Yeah, I am not sure why they jumped to 2025 either. That said, 2024 is so packed with entries that maybe they figured they need to move another year forward. But it is weird to be so far in the future.
I agree it they shouldnt time jump that far. We need to catch up
@@Toohard315 Agreed. It's getting really far out there.
@@AbitofEverything4U we almost catched up to 2023 tho
@@Toohard315 Yes, good point. Should be interesting to see where Thor ends up in the timeline, as well as the remaining Phase 4 items, such as the Halloween special and the GotG Christmas special.
I personally don't trust the Disney+ timeline especially for phase 4. They have changed black Panther and black widows placement before so they are capable of switching placements. Shows where the cultural celebration is an important aspect of the series or movie would be accurate to it's placement. So Shang-Chi and moon Knight are in spring and summer of April 2024. I believe that the timeline u created at the end is much better than the Disney+ timeline
You are not alone in thinking the timeline I created (which I think is the timeline many fans stick to) is very popular. And I think your lack of trust in the Disney+ timeline is very understandable. That's why I am so disappointed that Marvel has let things come to this, when they could have solved things by being abit more organized. The pandemic really hurt things, but I still feel there are some bigger issues at play and I really hope Marvel gets them sorted out.
@@AbitofEverything4U I do believe the Disney+ timeline has it right in a few things and has convinced me for the placements of MoM and Ms Marvel as well as others but I'm confident they have it wrong for shang chi, Thor 2, moon Knight, and eternals.
Also when it comes to multiverse stories I personally place Loki and what if after endgame, as well as freshmen Year since marvel has stated that it's a multiverse story. Promotional images for marvel zombies show characters like shang-chi, Kamala, and abomination. So far, in advance I would place it after Ms Marvel since that's the latest point where one of the characters featured in the zombies series first appear in the 616 timeline
@@jonmoreno7780 Interesting. You are right there with most fans I think. MoM and Ms. Marvel were the first two that fans have warmed up to in regards to Disney+ placement, but Shang Chi, Moon Knight and Eternals Disney+ placements are definitely not popular with fans. Thor 2 is a toss up. Some have bought into it and others still dislike it. So you fall right where I think the general fan base lands on things.
And I agree with you on the multiverse stories. May as well put them after Endgame and put Freshman Year there as well. It seems like Marvel Zombies is another multiverse story, but I agree that if you haven't watched the phase 4 stories, then both Marvel Zombies (and What If Phase 2) will be confusing. So perhaps those two should go later in the timeline.
Maybe the timeline is constantly changing and that's why Marvel don't tell the staff where things happen since now they are producing various product at the same time and there is always the posibility of some of them being delayed so they don't want to show much conection between them so a show doesn't spoil a movie, for example Eternals should come way before Hawkeye, but for some time because of Covid they weren't even sure if the movie would get to cinema at all, so I assume that's why nothing that comes after it has a reference to its events.
Now maybe they are trying to change the timeline as time goes by and according to how things end up being, if it make sense...
Yes, I do suspect are right about the timeline often being in flux and I'm sure it's really tough for Marvel to juggle everything. But what seems so strange to me is examples like Sana Amanat, who gave that quote about Ms. Marvel on June 4th where she wasn't sure how long after Endgame it happened, but Ms. Marvel literally debuted on Disney+ on June 8th, just four days later. So while Marvel may not always know the firm timeline, in that case they should have told Sana when it was going to be in the Disney+ timeline. It just seems like Marvel doesn't tell them anything and that is so bizarre.
I know that this is a lazy excuse, but you could say that some of the dates of the festivals were changed based on the galaxy-wide misery post snap. Like they were pushed back because of the trauma, or moved up to celebrate when everyone came back. Again, I know this is a big stretch but I’m trying to be creative. 🤷♂️
Nice! Yes, I think that's a very good reason for it. That could have easily shifted things around. I mean, we had an Eternal coming out of the center of the earth, so really at this point, anything is possible!
Oh and one thing for She Hulks placement is that Wong has his new suit from Multiverse of Madness where as in NWH he has his original 2016 costume, which he has in every other appearance before
Yeah, that's a good point about Wong's costume. Perhaps that's why She-Hulk was placed in 2025. With just the comments from Jessica Gao, it sounded like a 2024 placement was coming, but I think it makes more sense in 2025.
@@AbitofEverything4U it probably means Shang Chi is actually in 2025
@@dabatman5187 The Disney+ timeline has Shang Chi in 2024 in between Far From Home and Eternals. But it probably would make more sense for Shang Chi to be in 2025. I guess there is just a long gap between when the cage fight occurred in Shang Chi and when the video was released to the public in She-Hulk Ep 2. It works out, it just looks abit odd. I went into more depth on it in the latest She-Hulk Ep 3 video: ruclips.net/video/5CWNj9QnjRI/видео.html. Anyway, thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
I really appreciate the care and appreciation you've approached this with - very understanding of why mis/lack of communication may have happened. Very enjoyable to watch too - keep it up!
Thanks so much. I'm glad you appreciate that as I do try hard to be positive, even when I'm discussing something that I don't think was handled the best. I just think it's more enjoyable to hear it that way then to be too negative. Really appreciate you watching!
It really wouldn't hurt them to hire a few people to manage the timeline.
I'm thinking 3 'timekeepers' or something
Or get the ones they do have (assuming they exist) to do their job! : ) But yes, this is an important aspect that Marvel needs to take seriously.
You know for a RUclipsr with only 1,000 subscribers this is some quality content
Thanks! I really appreciate the positive feedback. I enjoy making the videos and am always happy to hear people like watching them.
Bro you are one of THE BEST MCU RUclipsrs! So underrated! I subscribed!
Thanks so much for the positive feedback. I love making the videos and it's great to hear when people enjoy them. Thanks again!
"We got nothing in 2020."
D'oh! Good point. I really enjoyed that season and since there was no other content available, I soaked up each episode. Sincere apologies to AoS...kudos to the series for ending on a high note!
Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Do you have an updated timeline up to quantumania?
Yes, I have timeline docs on the Google Drive here: drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1R_PrexMkTjYpQAraxlhzs2U5EPJEPioc and I did a video on the Quantumania timeline here: ruclips.net/video/SReNBPoHdLc/видео.html. Hope you enjoy them!
@@AbitofEverything4U thanks! Haven’t seen quantumania yet so I’ll have to wait on that video
Ah, yes, definitely want to do that first. There are a few spoilers in the timeline vid. Hope you enjoy Quantumania!
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i was really thinking that the Disney one wasn't so bad but as soon as I saw the switch between the fan made and the Disney timeline it became so horribly apparent
Totally. It's pretty shocking. Hopefully Marvel will do a better job in Phase 5 of addressing the issues that have led to so much of a difference between fan perceptions and Marvel's intention. I'm cautiously optimistic. Thanks so much for watching and adding your thoughts!
I do like everything about the fan timeline for phase 4, but my issue with it is that Multiverse of Madness could’ve happened before the final swing of no way home, placing it in November 2024. Other than that great video!
Edit:(The Sam Rami point about marvel not telling him about the time was a great point! I think marvel got hit hard by the pandemic and got shaken up a bit. Great video and I agreed with almost all of you points!)
Yes, I agree that the pandemic really shook things up and made it very difficult to get Phase 4 out. It's honestly amazing that we got what we did. And one result of the disarray is that the creative teams (like Raimi) were out of sync with Marvel. Hopefully moving into Phase 5 things will get better. I have faith Feige has learned alot from this phase and is ready for some stability with his forward planning of Phase 5 and 6. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
20:20 Well episode 3 of shehulk confirms it takes place after Spider man no way home and Doctor Strange 2 because Wong mentions the book used in the second movie. I don’t remember the name. Other than that everything else fits wel
Right, She hulk happens in May (or later) of 2025 as it is after Moon Knight (Apr 2025) and before Ms. Marvel (Sep 2025). That places it after NWH and Dr. Strange MoM, as you state. So it seems it all fits in pretty well in the end. It was just tricky getting to that timeline due to the misleading interviews from the creative teams. And thus, some fans still insist She-Hulk happens closer to Shang Chi and thus in mid-2024. But Disney+ seems to disagree on that, as well as the new references in Ep 3. So you are definitely correct in all that you said.
Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Since the pandemic messed up with everything I do believe they're trying to "fix the mistakes"... and the 5 years statement in Eternals for example was like... part of the OLD timeline plan, something like that you know? So yeah... we really have to follow Disney+ cause they probably have a whole new plan for the Timeline...
Not only the release schedule was changed... the timeline planning suffered the same
Yup, the pandemic really made things very difficult for Marvel. But I am still worried about the two biggest issues of prepping the creative teams to know when their movie/show occurs in the timeline instead of letting them wing it and also the issue of using cultural events in the movie but ignoring when they happen in the real world. I hope they address those.
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I feel like u gota realize the start and end of the movie. Would u put the movie on the timeline based on the end or where it started
Yes, that is definitely tricky for some movies with long durations. In particular, Thor 2 covers a year and 1/2, Dr. Strange 1 is about a year span, and No Way Home is a good 6 months. So those get very tricky on placement.
But I do still feel the biggest issue is the lack of communication between the Timeline Keeper and the creative teams giving the interviews. Hopefully Phase 5 will be more organized as they have it really well planned out.
Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Yea my biggest complaint is dr strange. Not even complaint but if his movie is canonically 2017 then he trained for a year infinity war would’ve happened in the SAME year his movie ended? Or is the END of dr strange in 2017? Maybe you said that I’m not sure. But him even being considered sorcerer supreme over wong seems weird.(even if deserved) he only trained for what a year then got blipped?
@@Mazininthe9 Good questions on the Dr. Strange movie. Marvel sets it as happening in 2016-2017 and the Marvel Fandom Wiki then places the months being Feb 2016 - Jan 2017. So it does seem it ended well before Infinity War, which is May 2018. I've got a timeline on my google drive located here: drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1R_PrexMkTjYpQAraxlhzs2U5EPJEPioc that tries to lay it all out, if that helps. The timeline can be tricky, but I think Dr. Strange works out okay once it is placed in that timeframe.
here's how i'm pretty sure it goes:
Loki (Multiverse)
What If...? (Multiverse)
WandaVision (Nov. 2023)
Eternals (Nov. 2023)
Shang-Chi (April 2024)
Falcon and Winter Soldier (April 2024)
Thor: Love and Thunder (May 2024)
Moon Knight (June 2024)
Spider-Man: Far From Home (June 2024)
Spider-Man: No Way Home (Nov. 2024)
Doctor Strange in The MoM (Nov. 2024)
Hawkeye (Dec. 2024)
Ms. Marvel (June 2024)
Yep, your timeline falls in pretty closely to what I call the typical fan timeline. MoM was originally thought to be in early 2025 based on Raimi's comments, but most fans have agreed it should be Nov 2024. NWH actually starts right after FFH, so technically is Jul - Dec, but it is still in the same placement you have laid out. And Thor is a tough one. Will be interesting to see where they place it, but I have seen alot of fans theorizing it is where you have it. It's just fascinating to see the difference between the fan timeline vs. the Disney+ timeline. Wild stuff. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your timeline!
Old marvel connected every movie with each other so it was really easy to place it on the timeline. They were also released roughly when they takes place. After civil war however I feel it became confusing.
That's a good point. The timeline did start to get more confusing after Civil War. That said, by the time Endgame hit, it seemed like they got everything laid out pretty nicely, even if they had to fix that terrible "8 years later" graphic in Homecoming. Then Phase 4 hit and it got pretty confusing again. Hoping things get more clear as we enter Phase 5.
This is a good argument for just watching things in release order and not putting too much thought into the chronological order.
I think that for Phases 1-3, I like to watch it in chronological order, but I agree, Phase 4 has been all over the place. However, here are a few reasons to try watching Phase 4 in chronological order are:
1. Watching WandaVision and FATWS prior to Far From Home (which is technically Phase 3, but is actually well into Phase 4) is more satisfying, because Far From Home treated the blip in a pretty light-hearted and jokey fashion, while both WandaVision and FATWS helped show just how major of an impact it really was on people. FFH fits better after those two from a viewing standpoint.
2. Watching FFH and NWH back to back is more enjoyable than in release order. Those two really fit well without anything else in between and if watched in release order, there are literally 8 shows/movies in between. Yikes.
3. Watching NWH and then MoM and finally Hawkeye fits those three in a better order. NWH leads right into MoM and watching those two back to back is nice, rather than watching Moon Knight in between them (if watching in release order). And Hawkeye dovetails off the final scene of NWH, but it was release prior to NWH.
4. Watching Loki before WandaVision helps explain the final scene of WandaVision where she's hearing her kids voices. I was really confused by that the first time I watched WandaVision, but after watching Loki, it was more clear they were calling from the multiverse.
5. Black Widow is much more impactful if watched after Civil War rather than in release order, which puts it in Phase 4. I am Groot also makes more sense if watched along with GotG Vol 2.
For the rest of the shows and movies, the order doesn't matter as much, per se. However, if you watch the above shows/movies in chronological order, I think it enhances the story and things make more sense. At that point, it then makes sense to watch the rest in chronological order as well, even if the story doesn't really change much.
Just my take though. Thanks so much for watching the video and sharing your thoughts!
Doesn’t Thor love and thunder take place in 2025? I’m pretty confused cause all these other shows and movies seem to take place right after endgame.
Yes, I do believe Thor Love and Thunder is going to be placed in late summer 2025. I didn't include it in the video as it hasn't come out on Disney+ yet (although it will hit D+ on Thursday the 8th!) and so it isn't officially placed on their timeline yet.
As for the other shows and movies, yes, it is abit confusing because alot happens in a short period of time. There are 14 tv shows/movies that occur post endgame and they all happen in a span of less than 2 years. But they are spread out and don't all occur right after endgame. Falcon and the Winter soldier, for instance, is 6 months later. Far From Home is 8 months later, and Hawkeye is over a year later. So the 14 tv shows and movies are spread out over the 2 year span.
I hope that makes sense. Fire away with any additional questions and I'll be happy to answer them as best I can. Really appreciate you watching the video and leaving your thoughts!
Hey, about ms marvel, schools in a lot of areas start in July now and go year round with small breaks through the year. This may be what they are doing. The end of June/beginning of July for Ms Marvel and the school year would make it work.
That's a good theory. I think the issue will be that New Jersey and New York have the same school years and we've seen that Peter Parker's school lets out in June and he's out of school in July and August as well, based on the timing of Far From Home and the beginning of No Way Home. Thus, Kamala's school year would be the same as Peters and would start in September. I think they just ignored when Eid happens in the real world but wanted to include it in the show so we could learn more about Muslim festivals. And in that regard, it worked, as I've learned so much about Eid after doing all this research! Anyway thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate the dialogue!
Thank god there was a great offering from Marvel in 2020 with the final season of Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D., which Marvel Studios promoted a lot in their social medias, it seems like Coulson and the Gang really delivered something amazing for the MCU during the pandemic. #YoureWelcome #AgentsOfShieldIsCanon #CoulsonLives
I thought the same thing. It was ironic that Marvel had kinda moved on from AoS at that point and then when the pandemic hit and nothing else was being released so they were suddenly was like, "Hey, look over there, we have content during the pandemic...go watch AoS!" Plus, the final season was pretty darn awesome.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!
From the research I’ve done, THIS SHOULD be the timeline for phase 4:
2014 or 2015-
I am Groot
2016
Black Widow
2023 (in order)
Avengers: Endgame
Eternals
Spider-Man: Far From Home (I know this one and Endgame aren’t phase 4, but it’s important)
Falcon & Winter Soldier
WandaVision
Spider-Man: No Way Home
Hawkeye
2024:
Moon Knight (this one specifically could really go anywhere. This is just where I chose to put it)
Dr. Strange in The Multiverse of Madness
Shang-Chi
She-Hulk
Ms. Marvel
Thor: Love & Thunder
And Loki’s the weird one.
Wow, that's the one of the most unique timelines I've seen yet. Thanks for sharing it. Let me ask a few questions, as you really have me curious about some of the order.
1. Far From Home is happening at the start of Peter's summer break and is right after school got out. That's why it is commonly placed in Jun/Jul of 2024.
2. Backing up from Far From Home, Endgame is commonly place in October of 2023 because Betty mentions that everyone who was blipped returned "8 months ago".
3. Falcon and the Winter soldier has several refences to it happening six months after the blip, such as how long Sam has been in the military. There are also several mentions of April, which is why it is commonly placed in April - June of 2024.
4. Spiderman: No Way Home picks up right after Far From Home (which ends over summer break in 2024) and then extends from July to December as we see Halloween decorations and finally Christmas decorations.
5. Multiverse of Madness has several scenes that show trees with leaves that have just started to fall (such as the scene with Gargantos) so it is likely that it happened in Nov of 2024, right before the final closing scene of No Way Home with Spidey swinging thru New York at Christmas.
6. Hawkeye is Dec, 2024 as it happens around the same time as the end of No Way Home. It also seems like there would be no plays featuring the Avengers during the blip (there wasn't anything to celebrate with 1/2 the population gone) and then it would likely take a full year before they could get that play together, so Hawkeye doesn't seem likely to be Dec of 2023, but rather Dec of 2024.
The other titles that are in 2024 are probably okay in that order, but when you move some of the 2023 titles to 2024 it may shift some things around.
Hope that helps. I think there are some elements of several of the movies that place them in specific locations, while others can be placed more freely in the timeline. It's alot of fun trying to sort out the timeline. Thanks so much for sharing your list. I really appreciate hearing what others think!
@A bit of Everything this is why my order is like this:
1. In Far From Home, it is stated that they will have to repeat their last school year. Considering thar Peter is a sophomore in Homecoming, which is in 2016, and since Infinity War is in 2018, he should be a senior then. Since he only starts to repeat the school year in No Way Home, that means that those movies have to be in 2023, or Peter would be repeating his school year twice.
2. Honestly, I’m not sure what you’re asking here.
3. Based on how the environment looks, I believe Endgame to be in spring/summer of 2023.
4. Yes, that is correct. I placed it where I did based on where the bulk of the movie takes place, which is in the fall.
5. I suppose it could be possible to shift MOM back, but I think it looks more like spring personally.
6. Based on what I said about NWH already, Hawkeye is in 2023 too, most likely taking place a few weeks after NWH at the most. Also, I know it wasn’t in the final show, but there was a line in one of the trailers where they said “this is our first Christmas in years,” and based on the way everyone acts, it really does feel like this is the first Christmas the Bartons have had together since The Snap.
I hope I explained this well enough for you to understand, but I think this kinda hard to explain. I’m working on an MCU timeline video for my second channel, though, so hopefully I’ll explain it better there.
Also, I believe Falcon & Winter Soldier to be happening around the sake time as Far From Home. Maybe a week or two after.
Oh, and based on the way everybody is acting in Far From Home, Iron Man’s death seems very recent. There is no way it has been nearly a full year.
@@gechoman44iwantahippo Thanks for this engaging discussion. I really appreciate it. Okay, let's go back to Peter's High School timeline, as that is indeed very important. Here is how I think it goes:
Peter's Freshman Year: 2015 - 2016
Civil War: May - June of 2016, in the tail end of his Freshman Year
Peter's Sophomore Year: 2016 - 2017
Spiderman: Homecoming: September of 2016, which is early in his Sophomore Year
Peter's Junior Year Round I: 2017 - 2018
Infinity War: May of 2018, which is the tail end of his Junior Year. In Far From Home, Betty says the snap happened over midway through the school year and they had already taken midterms. So Peter is on a school trip near the end of his Junior Year.
5 Year Blip: May of 2018 to October 2023. Far From Home is set in June right before summer break. In Far From Home, Betty mentions it was over 5 years since everyone vanished it's been 8 months since everyone returned from the blip. 8 months before the June timeframe of Far From Home would be October, meaning they returned from the blip in October.
Endgame: October of 2023.
Peter's Junior Year Round II: 2023 - 2024. They started back to school right after coming back from the blip and redid Junior year.
Spiderman: Far From Home: June - July of 2024 over summer break after Junior Year.
Spiderman: No Way Home: The start of the movie is in July of 2024, picking up right after Far From Home
Peter's Senior Year: 2024 - 2025.
Spiderman: No Way Home: The rest of the movie is Sep - Dec 2024, which happens during his senior year.
I think we need to establish this much or you are correct, nothing else falls into place. Look that over and let me know what you think. Betty's comment that it's been 8 months since everyone returned from the blip is a critical piece to the puzzle.
I dont think the pandemic is the cause of the horrible movies and shows were getting is just them making really bad decisions.. they want more..more..more and more money and they keep making the same mistakes that in fase 4 really showed up.. they just need to hit the breaks and start making good scripts.
There is no doubt that the rush to get some of the movies / shows out is part of the issue. I think the pandemic was a bigger issue than we may ever know, however, since most of the "Assembled" specials on Disney+ show the film crew in masks, so it likely had a huge impact on quality to have to deal with covid protocols. But you are right, a bad script is a bad script regardless of the pandemic. Hopefully we will see the quality increase as we move into Phase 5.
Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
There’s just no way you can watch Loki until Endgame or else it spoils almost all the MCU in the first episode
Excellent point. Loki has to be watched sometime after endgame, and from a timing standpoint, it really makes the most sense to watch it right after endgame. The ramifications of what Loki did impacts so many other post-endgame shows/movies. Heck that even includies WandaVision, which came out before Loki, but has the end credit scene with her kids calling out to her from a different universe, which makes way more sense after watching Loki.
Jessica Gao’s statement definitely has to do with the inhibitor on Bruce
Definitely agree that Gao was talking about the inhibitor in her quote...good call on that. But strangely it still doesn't end up being a short amount of time after Shang Chi. She-Hulk must occur in 2025 due to other references in the series (the No Way Home Spell, Rogers the Musical opening in LA after opening in New York, Wong getting Blonsky out of jail happening after the attack on Kamar-Taj in MoM, etc). And if it is in 2025, then it is nearly a year after the Shang Chi end credit scene. I have to wonder if Gao had any idea when things were really happening. She did a great job of making references to so many other Phase 4 entries, but it didn't seem she had any idea how late that placed She-Hulk in the timeline.
It would be nice if they did address the timeline discrepancy but til then I will just consider everything separate😅😅😅😅
Yeah, bottom line is to enjoy the MCU experience. Timeline discussions are alot of fun, but I never want to take away from the fun of watching the shows/movies. I am hopeful by Phase 5 they tighten things up abit, however. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
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The festivals thing just seems disrespectful, like no one would make Christmas a different time without just being ignorant in a way about the date
Yup, I agree. I mean, on one hand, I give props to Marvel for wanting to include culturally significant events to help expand our understanding of other's belief systems and cultures. But then to just ignore when they actually occur and to place the stories in a different time setting is just bizarre and, as you mention it is ultimately disrespectful.
Can’t wait for the “where does BP 2 land on the timeline” videos
I agree. That one should be veeeeery interesting. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
I don't really care about the timeline placement in phase 4 tbh. Most projects are more or less separate and independent except maybe Loki, NWH and MoM.
I agree, the timeline doesn't matter too much. That said, there are a few connections that do dictate at least some of the order of the timeline. In each case below, the movies/shows must occur in the order listed due to references:
- FFH, NWH, MoM
- WandaVision, MoM
- Shang Chi, NWH, She-Hulk
- Loki, WandaVision (she heard her kids from across the multiverse), What If (triggered by Loki), NWH, MoM
- FATWS, Moon Knight (GRC mention)
- FATWS, Eternals (Sprite mentions "Captain Rogers" vs. Captain America, because Sam had become the new new Captain America already)
- Eternals, She-Hulk (Tiamet reference)
- NWH, Hawkeye (Christmas themed and mentions Statue of Liberty from NWH)
- Black Widow, Hawkeye (Yelena tie)
- WandaVision, Ms. Marvel (both directly tie into The Marvels)
So when you start to piece all of those together, a timeline does start to form. Anyway, thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate it!
I disagree with any timeline that says NWH takes place in July or December, the prologue is in July and the epilogue is in December but the actual heart of the movie seems to happen in September. If you are gonna say NWH takes place July-December then technically Eternals is the first movie in the MCU because the beginning of that movie takes place thousands of years ago.
Good feedback. I definitely see your point. What makes NWH so tricky is that unlike Eternals, it doesn't have flashbacks taking place in the past, but rather picks up right after FFH with the opening scene in present day. That's why it doesn't seem as much like a prologue to me as it is instead the actual start of the movie in present day. Likewise, the ending does tie directly into the main movie narrative and caps off the entire movie with Peter finding a new way forward. So while only a small portion is in December, it is part of the main narrative.
But I do agree that the majority of the movie is from around September to November timeframe. It's just such a different beast from movies that have flashbacks in them to scenes before the present day of the movie. I view Eternals more like Thor: Love & Thunder in that Thor had flashbacks all the way to Jane and Thor dating in 2015 and also had flashbacks to Jane's cancer discovery in April. But the present day part of the movie is in late September/early October.
Hope that makes sense. I definitely acknowledge your points, I just think NWH is unique in how it is structured. Anyway, I really appreciate you watching and sharing your thoughts. I enjoy hearing what other MCU fans are thinking!
@@AbitofEverything4U That makes sense, just a different point of view on the matter. Side note: Does your video of the phase 4 timeline ignoring Disney+ have Wakanda Forever spoilers, I'm really looking forward to watching it, especially since I just finished the phase 1-3 video but am avoiding spoilers for Wakanda Forever until I can watch it on Disney+.
@@masonfoster619 Good question on the the Phase 4 timeline video. You should be safe to watch it as it doesn't mention any plot points from Wakanda Forever. I made the video shortly before WF came out, so it does go over Werewolf By Night, but not Wakanda Forever or the Guardians Holiday Special. Thus, both the Phase 4 timeline video and the short addendum with a few more facts are safe to watch prior to seeing Wakanda Forever. The Phase 4 timeline is so much trickier due to the magnitude of content Marvel put out, but I think the timeline works out in the end. Thanks again for watching and sharing your thoughts on everything!
It would be so much easier if they just took place in order they were released. The only one I could excuse (besides movies like black widow) is far from home
Yes, I like things in order of release as well. And for much of Phases 1-3 that was exactly how they did it. I hope they can get back to that again. It's so much easier to understand that way. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!
Nwh ending where spider man is swinging where its snowing comes a month after the events of the movie
Yes, that's my understanding as well. The Multiverse of Madness movie basically happens in its entirety before that final scene in the snow. Pretty wild!
Im under the firm belief that all the shows and movies within phase 4 are taking place all at the exact same time and I think She-Hulk proves this with abomination. Obviously excluding Black widow. But I truly believe every other show and movie are taking place during the exact moment in Loki at the end when they're speaking to Kang and everything that is happening in the show is what caused the rupture during that scene.
Interesting concept. That's certainly possible. That said, it seems like some of the shows / movies are intentionally referencing previous shows / movies and that there is some order to them. If nothing else, Far From Home leads to No Way Home leads to Multiverse of Madness leads to Hawkeye. WandaVison also lead to Multiverse of Madness. And of courseShang Chi leads to She-Hulk. So there does seem to be some sequential order. But I do see your point that Loki's ending made everything out of whack. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Yeah you can't just expect someone to make a movie that is part of a bigger franchise and not tell them when the movie takes place
IKR? It just seems so strange that there isn't more communication about timeline placement, because you know the creatives will be asked about it. In the cases of the D+ TV shows, the interviews are occurring like a few days before the show will be arriving on the timeline and being placed somewhere different than what was just said in the interview. So bizarre.
It isn't, really. Just because we aren't force-fed what happens and when, doesn't mean it's confusing. This is like when people complained about Steven Moffat's Doctor Who run because it didn't spell out the time travel elements 🙈 use your brain and piece it together.
Oh, I'm with you. I don't mind not being force fed and I do like working out puzzles. But as I mention in the video, there are at least six prominent times that the creative times give a placement for a show/movie and then Disney+ places it somewhere else. Add to that the confusion of referencing cultural events that have actual dates in the real world but then putting them in shows/movies that occur at completely different times of the year.
So my frustration is that these things are adding confusion and thus making it harder to know what is accurate or not. Personally, I trust the D+ timeline, but due to those issues above, many people instead trust the creative team's quotes or trust when something happens in the real world (i.e. Eid celebrations).
End of the day, I love Marvel and enjoy the work of deciphering the timeline. I just wish they could avoid the false signals which make things more complicated than necessary.
Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
It’s a real shame that marvel have lost their way with the timeline seen as at the end of phase 3, and especially after endgame tying up a few loose ends, it was perfectly laid out. Now it’s a huge mess. I did a timeline marathon last year, where the only phase 4 projects that had been released were WandaVision, TFATWS, Loki and Black Widow, so it was easy to slot them in. If I did one now, I’d struggle massively cause of all the reasons you’ve highlighted. Personally, I think the best way to determine it is by looking at when the majority of the film takes place. I’d also take into consideration what the creators say, as I don’t really trust the Disney+ timeline. The creators know what they set out to do, and that’s where they intended their film/show to be placed. But it’s really disappointing that marvel have let this happen. And it kind of makes me worried for the future. Is it gonna get to the point where fans are having to work out where 50+ projects fit into the timeline?
Yeah, it's been very disappointing. I am hoping that with Feige laying out the 10 year plan that he's working on as well as fully releasing the Phase 5 and Phase 6 slate (Phase 6 coming at D23), then perhaps they can get a handle on this. I would pay good money to talk to the person that puts stuff on the D+ timeline. I have to assume the placements come from somewhere high up in Marvel, but that would only make the current state of things all the more shocking. Anyway, I do have hope for the future that it will get better. We'll have to wait and see. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
I think things started to get more confusing as soon as time skip in endgame happened
Interesting observation. Yes, I agree, it did all start to get confusing at that point. It was a gutsy move by Marvel to jump 5 years like that, but it also lead to some problems as well. Great feedback. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
My version of the Phase Four timeline:
Loki
What if...
WandaVision
Eternals
Shang-Chi
Falcon and Winter Soldier
Moon Knight
Spider-Man Far From Home
Spider-Man No Way Home
Dr. Strange ItMoM
Hawkeye
She-Hulk
Ms. Marvel
I feel that this is a good mix of the fan's timeline and the Disney+ timeline.
Yes, I agree, that's a good mix of both. Eternals is one of the ones that I just can't wrap my head around the D+ placement. Shang-Chi is easier for me to move if I accept that it doesn't happen during the real-world timing of the Qingming festival, but Eternals really seems to fit in Nov 2024 where you have it.
Thanks for watching and sharing your timeline. I really like the feedback and enjoy learning what others are thinking.
The Ajax scenes in eternals happens a while before the actual now time events of the movie so in a way it does make sense eternals being placed there. Ajax died inn2024 the rest of the movie is in 2025
I would love for that to be the solution, as it fixes everything. However, I believe Ikaris explains that his encounter with Ajak, where he killed her, was just six days prior to the main part of the movie. He mentions that when they find out about the Celestials plan and Ikaris comes clean about what he did while they are all talking on the Domo ship. But I really do like that explanation in concept.
man i would've loved to see the timeline how it was originally planned. doctor strange before spiderman 3 sounds like it would've made for a much better plot. fuck covid.
Yep, Dr. Strange and SM 3 getting swapped really caused problems. I also forgot to mention how a large portion of Falcon and the Winter Soldier got redone due to a plot that was written well before covid hit, but ended up being too similar to the real world pandemic. That's why the flag smashers story seemed so off at times. Covid is the worst. Anyway, thanks for watching and commenting!
@@AbitofEverything4U it was a great video and explained a lot of things for me. i really do hope that this will have been a problem for this phase only and that phase 5 will return the MCU to its former glory, although i doubt it.
@@Creamworks I"m abit concerned myself. While Phase 5 won't have a pandemic to deal with and hopefully won't have more directors getting fired, I'm not sure if Marvel will be addressing the other issues. Perhaps with Feige doing a 10 year outlook they can do a better job of laying out a timeline and getting on the page with the creative teams. Here's hoping for the best!
Good news that Marvel are planning to make a continuity department
Excellent! That will really help. Fans love the small details and so the more Marvel can do to keep things straight the better. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
@@AbitofEverything4U Well at least that's what I've heard
@@lord_egg Agreed...I heard they have a new Timeline Keeper as well. Very cool!
@@AbitofEverything4U That's the one I meant lol.
@@lord_egg Yeah, should help to have a timeline keeper going forward!
Kang literally says in Loki that the timeline is not linear
Exactly. And that's my key point that trying to make a linear timeline with non linear stories is tricky. Not impossible, but definitely tricky. Certainly makes things interesting to say the least. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
@@AbitofEverything4U of course keep up the great content and building areas for discussion
@@cince8046 Thanks. Will do!
Hopefully Phase 5 doesn't feel overstuffed and more connected by the timeline and references.
Amen! I have high hopes for that happening. Feige said they are planning out the next 10 years, so that should let them keep the timeline in better order. And of course they won't have a pandemic to deal with. Amazing they got everything to us that they did in Phase 4 with all that was going on. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Honestly the only place where I disagree with the Disney Plus timeline is for Thor The Dark World and Eternals, everything else seem more or less fine for me
Yeah, I pretty much agree with the timeline as well. I can let Thor 2 go, since I see why they put it there. But I can also see why it makes more sense with Iron Man 3 coming first. Eternals is also hard to accept where Disney has it, but I just keep assuming there must be a reason. It has yet to surface, but maybe we will learn one day why it's been placed there. Anyway, thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
The D+ timeline doesn't even give months. or years where are you getting this information? Also These shows can be happening at the same time. "shut up OnlyOneTyping, I'm just making a video to boost my channel views up" okay.
Great question. It's a combination of the relative placements in the timeline since some shows, like Hawkeye, are in December due to Christmas or others like Far From Home give specific timing around the school year (June-July due to summer break), plus looking at clues in the film like dates shown on screen or amounts of time since a previous movie, etc. I have a playlist of timeline videos where I go through the ones that take some detective work. Feel free to check those out and let me know what you think. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
It all back to Kevin5g..he need to call all his creative team and pitch them about full timeline..never ever let them decide on their own..
Keving5g...now that made me laugh. And yes, I agree. Never let the creative teams free associate and just pull things out of thin air...they need to be prepped and given what to say. I just don't get why that doesn't happen. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
I love you dude but i disagree with "weve got lots of good movies and shows". We only got a few good
Yeah, I was trying my best to be positive. : )
But you are right, it was a rocky Phase with a fair number of misses.
@@AbitofEverything4U nice!
I think that Ms. Marvel would take place in around March or April as there are 2 Eid celebrations each year.
Right, there are two Eid celebrations each year: Eid al-Fitr (March/April ) and Eid al-Adha (June). There is a brief, but important, dialogue where Bruno says "Eid again" and Ms. Marvel mentions it is the "lessor Eid", which was an inside joke by the writers, who always felt the second Eid wasn't as fun because they don't get presents. So the Eid being celebrated is the second Eid, which would place the show in June.
However, so many internal clues indicate it is really in September, such as Fall/Beginning of the school year related posters at school (voting for Homecoming Queen), a September 9th date on a poster, in Ep 3 Bruno has a September calendar displayed at the Circle Q, Kamala hasn't taken the SAT or submitted college applications, and Kamran is a transfer student which wouldn't make sense at the end of a school year.
Hope that makes sense. Thanks for watching and for adding your thoughts!
@@AbitofEverything4U oh, I forgot about Bruno saying that it was another Eid. Thanks for the correction! And yeah I get where you're coming from when you say that it takes place at around September.
@@dangerbuffrocky Oh, sorry, didn't mean to sound like I was correcting you. I missed that the first time I watched the show and assumed it was the first Eid, too, until someone pointed it out. And yeah, it just feels like September makes more sense. So it's another case of a cultural event happening in a movie at a different time then it happens IRL. Oh well, makes it more interesting for us to sort it all out, I guess!
@@AbitofEverything4U nah, it's cool 😎
The cultural events i think is a produck of 2 things... Disney pushing Diversity (leave anti woke or whatever coment you want) and reschedualing for filming due to pandemic... Pre pandemic phase 4 slate was a fimpletley diffrent beast then what we ultamantley got and i am 100% shocked that the revealed as much as they did for phase 5 and 6 at comicon after this and after the drama with the pase 3 anouncment before AOU came out. Now everybody has a expectation of what wull dome that if more "crazy unforseen stuff" happens what will they do?
Oh man, I hope they fix things for Phase 5/6. Yeah, I agree, if it isn't more organized, that will be an issue.
I was amazed by how much of what you suggested for the reasons about Phase 4 being so timeline challenged were similar to what I was thinking as well. We were on the same wavelength for sure!
@@AbitofEverything4U How i place phase 4 watch order
1. Loki (outside of time)
2. WandaVision (fall 2023)
3. Shang Chi (spring 2024)
4. FARWS (late spring 2024)
5. Eternals (late spring early summer 2024) placed before far from home because head cannon mysterio used events in eternals to make his lies seem more real.
6. Spiderman 2 (Summer 2024)
7. Spiderman 3 (Summer - November
2024) placed in nov because its after halloween.
8. Hawkeye (christmas 2024)
9. Doc Strange 2 (end of winter early spring 2025)
10. Moon knight (spring to summer 2025) note might be wat later but i like it before thor 4 because it introduces the idea of more gods.
11. Thor 4 (summer 2025)
12. Miss Marvel (late summer early fall 2025)
She hulk is tbd
I like it! There is no doubt that Phase 4 has led to many different timeline formations. Yours is a nice combo of both fan placements (Shang Chi and Dr. Strange) and D+ placements (Eternals, Moon Knight and Ms. Marvel), in regards to the ones with the most controversy.
Some fans place Eternals in Nov 2023, Moon Knight in June 2024 and Ms. Marvel in June 2025, but I like your placements better. Shang Chi is a tough one and I am hoping She-Hulk helps nail it down better. But your placement definitely makes sense with the Qingming festival reference. And Dr. Strange MoM was stated to be late winter/early spring by Sam Raimi, so that placement follows his logic nicely. D+ places Shang Chi and MoM differently, but your placements make sense as well.
I wish No Way Home would show up in the timeline. That would help alot. But I also think She-Hulk will continue to tell us more as it goes on. Thanks for sharing your timeline!
@@AbitofEverything4U i was thinking it be cool if she hulk did 3 lirfle arcs all taking place at diffrent times... Example orgin right after eg ep 2 through 4 after shang then 5 to 7 after spiderman and 8 and 9 after mom. I also like trying to split shows with movies on eatch order to make it flow better.
Interesting! With 9 episodes, they certainly could do something like that.
Thor love and thunder will be out on Wednesday
That's what I'm hoping. Have you seen that confirmed? I have seen alot of stories assuming that is the date, but no official confirmation. Fingers crossed!
@@AbitofEverything4U geekrique makes a good point off the good connections off moon knight and love and thunder what Chris said about moon knight the moon is about the days
@@Dukestour78 I saw that video, too. I thought it was very interesting, but I still suspect that Thor Love and Thunder happens in 2025. But we will soon find out, as I think it will indeed hit Disney+ before long. I also think that while Moon Knight had easter eggs placed there by the creative team hinting at a June 2024 date, that we ultimately have to go with what Marvel has decided is the timeline. But I do understand why fans still like to use the June 2024 date instead. It is clearly what the creative team intended.
@@AbitofEverything4U she hulk could take place around Mid April ending off Shang chi ending she hulk of end of April to May could be the falcon to early May and then Thor love and thunder the June what Chris said moon knight could be June it’s all over the place once geekrique helps we get something
@@Dukestour78 Yes, I think that's the order that Geekritique and Chris Evans have landed on. It's certainly a reasonable timeline to go by. It doesn't align with what Disney+ is saying, but that's okay for people to disagree with Disney. However, I do think that when Wong shows up in She Hulk that we will get some very important clues. It seems from the trailers like Wong is wearing the outfit he moved to in Multiverse of Madness, rather than the outfit he wore in Shang Chi and No Way Home. So that could be a big clue that She Hulk happens after MoM. But we'll have to wait and see what future She Hulk episodes reveal. Thanks as always for all the great dialogue!
How can they say that Shang chi and she hulk are apart by a lot of time Shang chi happens in episode 2 about due to abomination
Good question. I covered that in my She-Hulk episode 3 video, but the summary is that the video was recorded many months prior but was released to the media likely due to the sudden popularity of Blonsky due to his parole hearing. She-Hulk Ep 2 made it look like the video had been both filmed and released recently. But there was actually a long time between the filming and the release.
how about this, loki unleashed all varients of Kang by accident, which also broke the timeline, which is why most of the MCU timeline might not match up?
I've had a few people blame Loki for the timeline strangeness. That's certainly possible. I also wonder if the blip caused people reset some of the festivals and cultural events, which is why they are occurring at different times of the year than in the real world. Just a crazy thought. Anyway, thanks for watching and sharing your theories!
finally someone understands that phase 4 isn’t that bad
Thanks! I try to stay positive and I do feel that Phase 4 delivered alot of good content. And I'm even more excited for Phase 5 because I think the things that hurt Phase 4 (such as the pandemic) won't be an issue and also they have things so well planned out. The future of the MCU is bright. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
I don’t think it make sense for she hulk to be so long after shang chi after seeing episode 3. Episode 3 with Wong implies heavily that he had portalled the abomination to that fighting ring not too long ago. It’s presented as if it happened a few days earlier or longest a few weeks earlier. According to Disney+, it would have been almost a year later which realistically wouldn’t have Wong explaining what happened like it was yesterday. Also, a video of Abomination leaking to the press a year later randomly would be super weird and oddly convenient that it happened right before his potential release from prison (keep in mind it leaked at the end of episode 2 before the entire media starting talking about the Ambination’s release so I don’t think you can argue that the leak was reactionary to the news). When phones exist and everyone films everything this would take hours or the most days to leak online so why was it only leaked almost a year after the fight? Wouldn’t it be all over RUclips with clickbaity titles like "THE GUY WHO DESTROYED HARLEM HAS RETRURNED?!" in July 2024? 😂 (which is Disney’s own date for Shang chi!)
It just seems really off more than anything else on the timeline. I can get on board with MoM taking place after NWH but before the final swing and Hawkeye or Moon Knight and Ms Marvel taking place in 2025 with real-world continuity errors cause I can look past them and they don’t affect the main MCU storyline just outer-world connection. But she-hulk’s placement just seems unnatural in the timeline. I just wonder what it would be like to watch Phase 4 chronologically now…
Yes, I definitely agree that She-Hulk in 2025 is abit head-scratching. Nearly a full year later for the video release is strange.
I think there might be an explanation for the video release timing, though. I suspect that whoever released it, did it to mess up Blonsky's parole. In Shang Chi it is mentioned that the fight club is found on the dark web, so the video might have been out there, but in a very secret location.
Someone like Val (who I suspect) found it and was going to use it as leverage to get Blonsky to work for her. Val was going to work her own magic to get Blonsky out on parole herself and thus get him in her debt and the video might have been used as leverage.
So when Jen suddenly took the case to get him out on parole, Val leaked the video to try to keep him in prison, so she could be the one to get him out. This is all just a guess, but I really think Val will show up eventually to recruit him and that she's been manipulating things behind the scenes. So the video might have never leaked, if not for Val (or whoever) wanting to wreck Blonsky's parole.
Also, I didn't sense from what Wong said that the cage fight happened recently, but I might have missed it. What dialogue made it seem that way?
But I do agree with you that the Disney+ timeline works okay for the most part. She-Hulk is definitely making it harder to all fit together. But I think it could work.
Anyway, thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
@A bit of Everything I like your theory with Val. That would certainly explain why it was released by strategy at that given time. Also, for some reason I completely forgot the fight club was on the dark web. I need to rewatch Shang Chi, haven't seen it since it came out!
And the dialogue between Jen and Wong sounded to me like he was explaining recent events and not something that had happend a full year prior. Maybe that's just me but idk. But I'd like to point out that, as you said in your video, the writers of She-Hulk believed that it takes place a few months after Shang Chi which, even if that is wrong according to Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios, if the writers and directors thought it was I would assume it was written with that intention in mind. Maybe that's why I felt the implication it was recent events. But again, maybe it's just me.
@@leoalper4530 Yes, I totally agree with you that there is no doubt that the writers thought She-Hulk was close to Shang Chi. So strange that they also thought it was after No Way Home, which immediately means it wasn't close to She-Hulk. Both can't be true. So that means the Timeline Keeper isn't doing a good job of explaining the timeline to the creative teams. That's really what is so misleading. We hear a writer/director give an interview and say one thing and then, like two days later, the show appears on D+ and totally contradicts the creative team. So we are left trying to decide whether to believe their interview or the D+ timeline placement. So strange that Marvel keeps doing this over and over. They are shooting themselves in the foot. I truly hope they get this corrected for Phase 5 and beyond.
@@AbitofEverything4U I feel like Wong talking about a memory wipe spell in She Hulk does not necessarily have to indicate it takes place after NWH. I mean for the viewers, it is clearly a nod to that but in universe, it could just be a reference to the spell in general. After all, we know Wong and Strange have done memory wiping spells prior to NWH. Albeit not at that scale (now with the re-release of NWH we know the Spell completely wiped all records of Peter in photos and documents so it's on a massive scale) but still, they have some experience in it and they already knew how messy it was. That's why Wong told Strange not to do it in NWH.
@@leoalper4530 I would agree that Wong might have been talking about some other time of casting the memory loss spell (other than NWH), but the fact that he called is messy is a second nod to the NWH. When Strange mentioned having cast it earlier so no one would remember the party they had, Wong didn't even remember it having been cast, meaning it didn't create a mess and it actually worked. So I think it's more than just a nod to viewers, but indicates he's talking about the NWH spell. Additionally, he's wearing the new outfit he started wearing in Dr. Strange: MoM, again pointing to being after NWH/MoM. And of course D+ places She-Hulk in mid 2025.
So it seems to me it is a clear reference to NWH, but hopefully Wong's second appearance in Ep 4 will clear it up some more. Again, I place all the blame on Marvel for not talking to Jessica Gao about where the show was going to be in the timeline. It seems there is little communication between the Timeline Keeper and the creative teams, even though Gao implied they speak frequently. Sigh.
I got another good theory why she hulk is in 2024 here me out May 2024 I’m going to place this one this probably by far my best one to date Shang Chi takes place in March when Jenifer mentions she was on a road trip with Bruce yes that Bruce lol a few months had a road trip equals March off 2023 the road trip takes place after the post credits off Shang chi she’s in her normal world off May 2024 just a few days after the events off the falcon and the winter soldier takes place I say May 5th then it carry’s on 9 to days on so that would add up to the 16 if you forget the weekends lol if you add them you get up to 16th of May I don’t know if court trails happens in weekends in the states just say 16th okay then Thor love and Thunder plays out for the rest of the whole off movie then we await the series off moon knight plays the rest of June as the dates what Chris stated still happens then far from home and I’m still trying to baffle out with the poster on the bus in Shang chi so let’s be clear here so let’s be clear shang chi end of March to early April 2024 Bruce and jens trip and training April 2024 Jen In normal mode May 2024 the falcon and the winter soldier April to early may 2024 but here me out here again i have herd mark ruffalo is not going to be in much off she hulk only one or two three eps at least
Yes, I think the order will work as long as She Hulk Ep 1's flashback starts after Shang Chi's end credit. So your order would work. I do think, however, that when Wong shows up that we will learn more. Based on his outfit from the trailer, it is his outfit from MoM and not from Shang Chi and No Way Home. So perhaps he will give some dialogue that places She Hulk after MoM. We will just have to wait and see on that. But I do agree that your order would work with what we know at this point.
@@AbitofEverything4U and I have herd there was supposed to be a scene with the grandmaster in love and thunder but that was cut from the movie who knows it might off been he sent his ship to find either Thor or his champion the hulk so this why she hulk was different instead off the comics that the rocket you see was not for Jen it was for Bruce trying to target him and take him back to sacar and he will be successful at the end of the show and I think that’s how we are going to get the world war hulk project on that topic of hulk I have herd from cosmic wonder this very very interesting the hulk movie rights will indeed go back to marvel in June 2023 so they can finally get a marvel hulk movie universal can’t do anything about it they have lost the rights it’s all over the internet last week
@@AbitofEverything4U remember this the story in Australia this was like around October time of last year they had posters on there busses for no way home they put the posters for no way home early on there buses so it might be the same Easter egg what we saw in shang chi in the bus in San Francisco
@@Dukestour78 Yes, it does seem that someone from Sakaar is looking for the Hulk. Could be the Grandmaster, could be Skaar, his son, could be someone to tell him about his son. It's interesting that they recognized him as Bruce, since theoretically he was never revealed as having a human side while on Sakaar. But when you add in the Cosmic Wonder's point about the Hulk's movie rights perhaps returning to Marvel soon, it does make me believe there could be a World War Hulk movie or at least some type of Hulk movie coming soon. Cool stuff!
@@AbitofEverything4U it could happen it’s all over Google I like warren everything always and cosmic calture and Dakota in fact when I’m putting or displaying my mcu projects I do the timeline way what Dakota has taught us as the Ms marvel Easter egg on the other hand I think maybe Kamala visited that bathroom and vandalised the toilet lol for her logo idea but remember this we do stupid things when we where kids lol
She hulk is definitely after no way home cause Wong has the same suit as MoM
Right...I think Wong's appearance will definitely help validate the Disney+ placement. It still makes Jessica Gao's comment odd, but I think the Disney+ placement is correct.
@@AbitofEverything4U now we know Shang chi and she hulk are at the same time
@@NorJoshua She-Hulk Ep 2 certainly made it seems that way. However, keep in mind that there is a gap between the flashback in She-Hulk Ep 1 and the rest of the series, with the gap being around 2 months, which we learned in Ep 1. So the order of events is panning out to be the following:
1. Smart Hulk puts on the inhibitor that turns him from Smart Hulk back to Banner (unknown timing)
2. Banner appears in Shang Chi end credit scene in human form with inhibitor on.
3. Banner and Jen ride in the car and get in an accident while banner is wearing the inhibitor (sometime after Shang Chi ending, unknown at this point, but according to Disney+ it is several months)
4. Banner gives himself some of Jen's blood and arm is healed. inhibitor is broken and he is Smart Hulk again (24 hours after car crash)
5. Smart Hulk trains She-Hulk and she eventually returns to her job (2 months from car crash, per the beginning of Ep 1)
6. Rest of She-Hulk happens, including the release of the cage fight.
What made things seem confusing is that the cage fight video being released to the public could be implied to mean the cage fight just happened. But I suspect we will find that it happened several months prior and someone just leaked it to the public because of Blonsky trying to get parole. Whoever leaked it wanted to get him in trouble and put his parole in jeopardy and was holding onto the video in case they needed it for just such a purpose.
So it is still possible that Wong's appearance in She-Hulk is after MoM. We will find out more when he appears and hopefully clears everything up. Craziness, eh?
I get that the MCU is at its world building stage again since we are now experiencing a Thanos-less MCU. But yeah some of the TV shows were kinda sorta meh
Yeah, the pandemic really made things tough and I suspect it impacted the quality alot. Hoping things get better as we move into Phase 5 and 6 as it seems there is alot of planning in advance for those phases. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Who cares? Enjoy the product.
Actually, I did try to make that point as well, as I completely agree with you. I think discussions on the timeline are fun and do help put the shows/movies in context, but the discussions should never take away from the fun of watching the MCU. Thanks so much for watching the video and sharing your thoughts!
Phase 4 was bad.
Yeah, I don't disagree. I was trying to stay positive, but Phase 4 has been pretty rough. Some definite shining moments, but hopefully we'll get more consistently strong content going forward. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Just remove the Disney Plus timeline, it makes things too complicated, even when my friends ask about the timeline I give them my timeline and tell them to ignore the Disney Plus timeline it's just too contradictory
Yeah, the D+ timeline is a helpful starting point, but I do think adding in the months for each show/movie is critical. I have a timeline located on my Google Drive, if you want to check it out: drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1R_PrexMkTjYpQAraxlhzs2U5EPJEPioc. Let me know what you think and if I should make any changes. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
quantity over quality
Very fair comment. I think many agree that is an issue. I give Marvel some slack due to the pandemic affecting quality, but the quantity has definitely impacted the quality as well. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
I personally have given up on the MCU. The would need another movie that is as great as Iron Man or Infinity War, and I don't want to trudge through what they are publishing right now. I couldn't care less if they stay somewhat successful or not
I definitely understand your frustration. Phase 4 has been rough due to so many different issues. I truly think Phase 5 will be alot better though. I think they have addressed the issues that were bogging them down and I suspect we will be pleased with what's coming next. So don't give up yet, but I do understand your frustration. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
It turns out She-Hulk and Shang-Chi overlap. ...
I can definitely understand that line of thinking, due to the release of the cage fighting video. I actually did a few She-Hulk timeline videos and it seems like there has to be a gap between Shang Chi and She-Hulk. Check out these videos and let me know what you think:
She-Hulk ep 1 thoughts: ruclips.net/video/iw5rjVYyXVU/видео.html
She-Hulk ep 2 thoughts: ruclips.net/video/MMKN45mEnZg/видео.html
She-Hulk ep 3 thoughts: ruclips.net/video/5CWNj9QnjRI/видео.html
Each is pretty short but addresses the reason I think there isn't an overlap and in fact might be quite a big time gap between the Shang Chi and She-Hulk.
The tweets James gun made are disgusting and still makes me worry about hollywood in general...
Yeah, I just don't know why someone would tweet things like he did. He was wise to own up to it being completely inappropriate and to apologize for it. But it's still hard to imagine thinking it was okay at the time. I guess we all make mistakes and regret past actions. It's just hard to fathom tweeting that stuff.
He’s such a monster. He said hurtful words. I’m traumatized from it. Maybe I haven’t grown up fully or can’t take any criticism but soon I’ll have chest hair!🥺
@@Us3r739 Definitely agree. His words were very hurtful and I was not surprised at all when Marvel fired him. I give Gunn credit for owning up and apologizing, rather than making lame excuses and trying to minimize it like it was all in the past and we should just ignore it. He took full responsibility for the terrible things he said. But I do understand why it is hard to get over the pain he caused. I don't think it's because you haven't grown up or can't take criticism. Words affect everyone differently and for many his words were very painful. So it's been a tough situation and your feelings are understandable and are valid. I'm sure if Gunn could do so, he would have never done those tweets, but that's the problem with using social media to say hurtful things. The pain doesn't go away for a long time.
@@Us3r739 you do realize what he said right? Your the kind of person I wouldn't leave my kids with.
@@takima504 I'm not sure I understand why you are upset with me. I said that I have no idea why someone would tweet those things, that they were completely inappropriate, that it's hard to imagine how Gunn could have thought it was okay to tweet, that it's hard to fathom what his thought process was, that his words were hurtful and that Marvel was correct to fire him, that the pain caused by his words lasts for a long time and his apology doesn't take that way. If there is stronger language I should be using, let me know, but I hope I have made it clear that there was simply no excuse for what Gunn did. Period. It was terrible.
well, the movies make sense with the disney timeline, the shows are a mess
Actually, it is all pretty confusing.
From a movie standpoint:
-- Shang Chi: Fans place in Mar/Apr during the Qingming Festival timing but Disney+ places it in July, which matches the advertisement on the bus
-- Eternals: Fans place it in late 2023/early 2024 which matches the movie's dialogue about Thanos' snap but Disney+ places it in Oct/Nov 2024 which is closer to what the Producer Nat Moore said
-- MoM: Fans place it in Feb 2025 which matches what Sam Raimi stated while Disney+ places it in Nov 2024 which seems to match the late fall images in the movie
I also suspect Thor Love and Thunder is going to become controversial as well, but perhaps not.
That said, you are definitely correct that the Disney+ shows are issues, too (Moon Knight and Ms. Marvel in particular), but the movies seem to be just as controversial.
Craziness, eh? Anyway, thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
You think they still follow a timeline after endgame? Lmfao 🤦♂️🤣
Well, many would certainly argue that they don't follow a timeline anymore. : )
However, Disney+ does show a timeline, so I'm just taking them at their word. Hopefully things will get more clear as Phase 4 wraps up. Anyway, thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!