It's crazy how good the LFR112 is, especially considering the price. I was blown away the first time I tried it - the most 'cab like' FRFR I've ever used.
I was thinking of getting a Duncan Power Stage, and going to a real 112 or 212 with the FM3. What would the benefits be with the Laney? Retaining more of the IR-tone you've loaded in the cab block?
I think that would be the benefit indeed. A friend of mine bought a TC Electronic Bam200 to hook up his Helix to a standard cab and he says it's fantastic. So I'm thinking about doing that: left side the Laney and right side a Bam with a 112 EVH cab. Best of both world? Not sure if I can 'disconnect' the IR's from the right output on the FM3
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise my thought was going full L/R XLR out to FOH with the full rig, but breaking out the signal chain before the cab block and running that through the FX-send on the FM3 to the Powerstage. That also makes it so that I can use different effects on each “line”, meaning I can use a “wetter mix” with stereo effects to FOH (and on stage monitors), but have a dryer sound through the real cab, like just a plate reverb or something).
@@RichardLainegard , sounds solid! I'm interested to know how that would sound in the end. I hope removing the cab block doesn't confuse the whole thing :) If it works I will absolutely try that as well, would fit in my plan of: left Laney and right Bam/Powerstage. I'm sure the real cab can add something to the sound that an IR can't deliver.
100% I've finally gigged the fm3 and Laney lfr this past month, and it really is wonderful. Glad it's working for you too Pat! At gig volume don't be afraid to dial back the HF trim pot, this can save you needing to adjust every preset, and really helps tame the spiky treble fletcher munson. Enjoying these vids Pat 👍🏻
Thanks David, very kind! I'm doing the first gig with the FM3 + Laney next month. This duo is really amazing. I'm keeping an eye on the HF pot, but at rehearsal level (and that is loud:) ) I'm really happy with the sounds as they are now. Very impressed with the FM3 as well!
This is insane for amp profiler or amp effect processors.... It just blew me off ... When I plugged my line 6 pod go to it the guitar shop owner was also zapped with the sound quality and the punch...gr8 product
I wish there would be more LFR 212 reviews out there like yours. I am running the Helix into a PowerCab 112 and Katana MK2 (pwr amp in) in stereo. And whilst I know I can get stereo from the LFR212 I am loving 212 verticals
Thanks Markus! I have a Zilla Cab 212 vertical, it's the perfect cab: you can hear it when it's behind you and it doesn't break your back. You combi sounds like a perfect solution!
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise Yes it is a cool combo. I never really use anything other than the power amp in Katana. And (as expected) it does color the sound a little bit. So I might get a 212 LFR for the behind me and kick the PC112 back on its tilt and have it next to foldback... Last weekend we played and I had full Stereo rig on stage (and XLR hard L/R to FOH)... it was epic :)
I think I'm going to get one of these cabs soon for my FM3. They were out of stock for a long time on Thomann but now they have popped up on their site again :)
Are you still happy with the Laney 112? I have an axe iii that I run thru EV elx 12 tops and have been finding the same thing you mentioned. A lot of tweaking to get what I want to hear. Thinking about getting two 112 or two 212 Laney frfr cabs. . Wondering if you could play back music thru these like a backing track or if that would get colored? I have tried the kemper cab with kemper unit as well as a mission engineering cab with kemper. Did not like either. Especially for high gain. Anyway just curious if you ever bought a second one for stereo.
Hi Mike. I have been on a journey with those modelers...I did a video with some decent recordings of a live gig explaining why I will no longer be using a modeler live: ruclips.net/video/de75qPDyiwM/видео.html Since then I sold the FM3, got a Quad Cortex...sold that one too en bought another FM3 (the Turbo). For my rock band gigs I'm now using a BadCat amp and a Gigrig G3S with a dozen pedals and I'm happy. In the studio here I'm using the FM3. I also have a 'one man band' looping project, and for this I also try to use the FM3.. but I'm struggling. I have to invest so much time to get a sound that I like when I'm playing...I'm getting desperate and may end up selling the FM3 again, and getting the new Laney 'amp pedal' and a few standard pedals. The Laney LFR is just as good as it was at the start, it's just for me, as a player, I can't find a sound in those modelers that inspires me when playing live. It's all very controled and neat, but I need the unpredictable feedback, the interaction between cab and guitar. I can't seem to get that with a modeler, any modeler. The Laney can be set to PA mode, so then it's a wonderful (expensive) bleutooth speaker :)
Buddy, I've been using my helix on a mackie thump active box. I have never used an frfr case and the opportunity arose to pick up a laney lfr112. Does it make a big difference in sound quality? Worth to buy? 
Hey Mark, that is en Ibanez AZ Tom Quayle model. The top is monkeypod. According to Tom (he's a friend of mine) this is the most beautiful version he's ever seen...I'm keeping it! ;)
Hey Matteo, in my experience the FM3 (and that was the same with the Helix) sounds way better with studio monitors than FRFR's. I have Genelec 8020D and (old) Alesis Monitor One in my studio. But I would not hesitate to get the Laney for practicing and live use, for the money it's unbeatable.
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise thank for the review, could you make another video with more sounds samples? I can get the Laney lfr 2x12 at a very good price but not able to try it out, is it worth for home use?
Hi Marco, I would not hesitate, especially if the price is good! It is particularly good for home use since you can crank the amps to the max and still play at bedroom volume. We're doing 2 gigs next weekend (7 and 8 August) I will try to record some more sounds. I'm getting better results the more I work with the unit. I'm surprised how good it sounds with EMG pickups! I did not expect that at all!
@@marcocelestino4308 I was searching for a 1x12 when it went suddenly unavailable in my country (Italy). So I found a used 2x12 and I bought it even if actually I can’t play it, because I’m moving from my home to another one. I was afraid to miss the thing so I bought it. When I will be able to play it, I will tell you my opinions!
I found the plastic back pa speakers were never good with the helix, the wood back ELX112P was a much better sound, in fact after comparing speakers at that time it was the best sounding by far, I went to guitar center and played through every available 12" powered monitor, the Electro Voice ELX112P was unbeatable. Now that there are more Powered Cabs out for this purpose im sure thats not the case but I highly recommend the the ELX112P for those running monitors.
hi, for montering on stage it works fine...but: it doesn't project very wide. So I put the speaker on a tilted cab stand to make sure it shoots the sound at my ear. If you would use 2, in stereo, I'm sure it will sound fantastic. Just make sure they are directed to your ears. Another thing I noticed: they appear to be loud, but given the fact you are not using a tube amp, on stage it projects not that much volume. You know: tube watts compared to solid stat watts...different things :)
Bought one too because of your reactions Pat...;) Sounds great indeed and love that TQ Ibanez! Btw. That chord you're playing a lot in the beginning, sounds so great but i still don't know which chord that is. Can you tell me please? Grtzzz Leon
Hi Leon, thanks, I hope the cab serves you well! It's a very solid choice. That chord...you mean at 2:24 and further? That is a E7#9 chord. So, from low E string to high E it's: 0 - 7 (middle finger) - 6 (first finger) - 7 (ring finger) - 8 (pinky) - 0 (last string is usually muted. Sometimes referred to as the 'Jimi Hendrix' chord since he used it so much. Technically it starts as an E chord (C-shape fingering starting with your first finger on the 5 fret B string (E note), then the seventh is added, so your pinky comes into play and you get (low E to High E): 0 - 7 (ring finger) - 6 (middle finger) - 7 (pinky) - 5 (first finger) - 0 (usually muted). Finally we add the #9 and then your fingers end up as above described. It's a moveable chord of you don't use the open strings. It's a dominant chord (it has a flat7) with a 'sharp' 9 (the #9), it offers some tension and wants to go to its 1 chord, in this case: an A chord, since E is 5 steps above A: A-B-C-D-E...when we count we include the starting point', so 5 in this case and not 4, although it's technically 4 'steps'). So if you move your fingers 3 frets up, your middle finger ends up on a G note, 10th fret of the A string, it now becomes a G7#9 and wants to resolve to a C chord. Enjoy! Pat
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise that's the one. Much appreciated for your extensive answer!! Thank you very much! Didn't know it was the JH chord ;) see it often on RUclips or live but never knew what it was. 👍👊
Great video! I have a headrush frfr108, I've used it to gig a few times and it does the job. I'm really tempted to pick the laney up for gigs for more of a cab behind me feel. Is this loud enough for gigs? And can you mic it up rather than xlr to front of house? Cheers!
Well, for gigs...I have played a few now and without a decent PA and monitoring system I would not think I would manage with just the Laney. With any decent +20W tube amp I would be fine, but I don't think the Laney on its own would manage with our band. It all depends on the size of gigs you do of course
Hi there, thanks for your nice comment! well...I just decided not to use the FM3 live anymore. I just posted a video about that. I struggle to get the guitar to interact with the FM3 and Laney the way it would with a regular amp. I worked hard trying to get there, but for the style of music we play it seems very difficult. So, I still like the cab and will be using this setup for teaching and recording, but for the live gigs with my bands I'm back to old school pedalboard and tube amp. If I would do everything I need to do to get the modeler and cab to act like a real amp, I would be lugging even more stuff than before, and that was not the plan when I got the FM3. I loved the idea, but it doesn't seem to be ideal for me..
Absolutely! Unlike a tube amp, a modeler doesn't sound different when you change the volume. You could play at 1dB and still sound like a crancked Marshal :)
Hi, greetings from Chile. i just bought a FRFR LANEY 212, last night i was testing it with low volume, i was checking that the sound was very different comparing my krk rokit 5 monitors studio.... i know that the frfr system are different than tube amps, but i read in other youtube channel and a friend told me that we need to set it up at least with some "goog" volume to sound good.... i feel that i lost a little bit of tone and quality .... what do you think about the volume, could be true?
Hi Rafael, thanks for your comment. I had that same problem. During rehearsals and gigs (we play rather loud) the sound became more 'digital'. I was hoping that a 212 wouldn't have that problem, but it seems similar. So I needed to tweak the presets at gig level indeed. I don't know what modeler you are using, but with the Fractal I noticed that the sound to the Front of House was good, it was just my sound on stage that lacked quite a bit of that 'tube' feel. I no longer use the Laney, I have bought an Ashdown Newt (amp in a pedal), turned off my IR's in the Quad Cortex and run the Newt straight into a guitar cab (112, 212 or 412) and that sounds so much better. Blackstar have just released their 'amp in a pedal', the AMPED1, which looks really good. My Ashdown has a noisy fan, quite annoying when practicing at home, but no issue live of course. I contacted Ashdown about it and they reassured me the fan needs to be there in order for the amp not to go into 'safety' mode when it runs too hot. Imagine the amp shutting down during a gig... Hope you find a solution, the Laney stuff is really good!
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise hey thanks for the comment!!! Look… I was testing yesterday… with “good” volumen I could get a good response of the frfr…. Seems the first day I was testing it too low volume… So, seems my problem was resolved. Thanks for the answer.
Hi there, have you tried using a hard eq to block all frequencies below 100hz and 6000 hz? I thin it helps getting rid of the fractal spark too high end
hi there, thanks for your info. Yes, I finally figured that out, what a massive difference. I'm also using the Quad Cortex now, same problem, same solution. It works!
Hi Glen, well, the Laney projects its sound very 'focussed'. A regular speaker shoots the sound in a wider angle than the Laney, so you have to make sure you are in the line of fire when you are at a loud gig/rehearsal. There is no difference in sound between a low and high volume, it's exactly the same just louder or more quite (a tube amp will sound different at different volumes).
Hey Jakob, well a 212 gives a broader sound spectrum. So you’ll have more low end. But as for sheer volume, the 112 is very loud. I would love to give the 212 a try but I can’t convince Laney to send me one and in the stores here you can only find the 112
do you still think this is the most "guitar like" of the FRFR cabs. I saw you sold your fm3 and were not going to use it for live use but would you still recomend this FRFR over the others? I DO want that guitar cab in the room sound and i also dont get on with that wierd digital artifacts you get using Alto and Headrush frfr wedges
hey Conrad, that is a difficult question. If I felt the FM3 and the Laney offered me that cab in the room sound/feel I would have kept the FM3. A lot of my friends still use it with a Laney and still think it's the best of the options. I had a 'standard' FRFR first, and the difference with the Laney was huge, really huge. I tried a few others (QRC, Alto, ..) and still think the Laney beats them. Maybe Hennings video may help: ruclips.net/video/OVYGelPsoaY/видео.html But for the moment I will stay with my tube amps. And remember: the sound is not the problem, the feel is. But the feel determines how we perceive sound (when you are playing the guitar through these devices). The listener will think it sounds fine, but since the feel is different, the player will perceive the sound as not being 'the real thing'
I'm having some issues with my Laney cab clipping at rehearsal loud volumes, Can't seem to find the right balance on my FM3. Not sure what happened either the FM3 or Laney cab sound cut out every once in a while with the red clipping light on.
That's odd...So when the sound cuts out, is the clipping light of the FM3 on? It could be that it's trying to protect the input of the monitor, but I'm not sure. The advice from the factory is to turn the volume of the FM3 all the way up (without the output clipping) and adjust the overall volume with the amp/FRFR. If the FM3 is not clipping and the Laney is only clipping/distorting at very loud volumes, it means you've found the limits of the Laney. If the Laney is also clipping at low volumes something is wrong and I would contact Laney. Difficult to analyse without having the units here, hope you get it sorted buddy. All the best!
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise Sorry to ask again, I got a chance to rehearse again and this time my sound was good, no sound cutting out, but my Laney kept clipping, the Fm3 wasn't clipping but if I were to turn the volume more on either the Fm3 or Laney frfr the red clipping light would come on constantly. So basically im not able to play along with a full band with this Frfr without it clipping at halfway.
@@TheSpineSplitter1990 Hey buddy, are you guys playing really loud? I heard of a few 'rock and roll' situations where the band was so loud that the 112 with its 200 Watts could not keep up and the guitarist had to go to the 212 version (twice the power). I must say, they must play really loud. We play quite loud (I have to wear earplugs) and the Laney is at 12 o'clock and has no problem keeping up. When you play on your own, with the volume just below clipping, does it sound really loud to you? It should...if not there is something wrong. If it sounds really loud, than your band is very loud and you may need more Watts
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise Sorry for the late reply, but yes our band is a loud fast punk band, The FRFR only has this issue when playing loud at rehearsal. I had a gig on Saturday and had to instead plug in straight to the venues PA, which wasn't too good sounding since none of my patches are set for that yet. Someone said in a forum that I should make my patches loud and then use the volume knob on the FRFR to adjust.. Haven't tried that yet. I got the 1x12 Laney cause it was light weight and easier to transport but looks like I might have to get the 2x12 version if this one last try doesn't do it. Thanks for the reply!
Hi, according to the Block Diagram in the manual, the DI out comes after the Level knob, the Hi Freq trim and the Emulation switch, so that is the sound and volume that will go to the DI out. If you want the 'unaltered' sound you could use 'Link Out', this one is tapped right after the input.
@@jeeeeev not at all. I've done it many times. I had a custom cover made by Hot Covers UK and that protects the speaker really well. the speaker has really solid handles all over, so carrying it is not a problem
Well Scott, I know 2 guys who sold their Powercab and got a Laney. You could buy 2 Laneys fot the price of one Powercab, that is something I would keep in mind as well. I was impressed with the Powercab, but I am 100% sold on the Laney. You don't have that '6 speaker in one' option, but that is something I wouldn't use, I want to change that in the FM3, not in the cab. Best option would be to have them side by side and listen to both. Good luck with the hunt, there is no bad choice!
Had powercab 212+ for 5 months and got the Laney LFR212... the powercab was sold in a week!!! 1800 dollars the Powercab vs 600 dollars the LFR212 in my country!
Hi, this is a 200W amp and cab. Pretty loud, but for gigging I would go for the 400W version, 2 speakers have a bigger spread of the sound, this 112 needs to be aiming for your ears when playing a loud gig. I put it on a tilted speaker stand, so it functions a bit like a wedge
@@lperry65 here you can find the specs of both: www.laney.co.uk/amps/guitar/frfr And you are right, the 112 is 400W. But it doesn't really sound like 400W.... I have no idea how they measure it, but I assume the marketing department had its say in this :)
Hi Cristopher, it's been quite the journey. I worked really hard to make the FM3 do what I needed it to do, but in a live situation I just could not get the 'feel' of a real tube amp. Feedback and any other kind of interaction between the guitar and the amp was/is very difficult. I finally gave up and sold the FM3 and I bought a Gigrig G3 and went back to standard pedals. I love it. But...in the last couple of months I had quite a few 'one of' gigs as a session guitarist and I really wished I still had the FM3 for that: compact, lightweight, flexible etc. So I will be getting an FM9 next month (I was on the waiting list since december 21) and I can't wait, I need it :)
It's crazy how good the LFR112 is, especially considering the price. I was blown away the first time I tried it - the most 'cab like' FRFR I've ever used.
Indeed! Can't believe I didn't get it the moment I saw your review. I'll be an ambassador now! :)
I was thinking of getting a Duncan Power Stage, and going to a real 112 or 212 with the FM3. What would the benefits be with the Laney? Retaining more of the IR-tone you've loaded in the cab block?
I think that would be the benefit indeed. A friend of mine bought a TC Electronic Bam200 to hook up his Helix to a standard cab and he says it's fantastic. So I'm thinking about doing that: left side the Laney and right side a Bam with a 112 EVH cab. Best of both world? Not sure if I can 'disconnect' the IR's from the right output on the FM3
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise my thought was going full L/R XLR out to FOH with the full rig, but breaking out the signal chain before the cab block and running that through the FX-send on the FM3 to the Powerstage. That also makes it so that I can use different effects on each “line”, meaning I can use a “wetter mix” with stereo effects to FOH (and on stage monitors), but have a dryer sound through the real cab, like just a plate reverb or something).
@@RichardLainegard , sounds solid! I'm interested to know how that would sound in the end. I hope removing the cab block doesn't confuse the whole thing :) If it works I will absolutely try that as well, would fit in my plan of: left Laney and right Bam/Powerstage. I'm sure the real cab can add something to the sound that an IR can't deliver.
100% I've finally gigged the fm3 and Laney lfr this past month, and it really is wonderful. Glad it's working for you too Pat! At gig volume don't be afraid to dial back the HF trim pot, this can save you needing to adjust every preset, and really helps tame the spiky treble fletcher munson. Enjoying these vids Pat 👍🏻
Thanks David, very kind! I'm doing the first gig with the FM3 + Laney next month. This duo is really amazing. I'm keeping an eye on the HF pot, but at rehearsal level (and that is loud:) ) I'm really happy with the sounds as they are now. Very impressed with the FM3 as well!
This is insane for amp profiler or amp effect processors.... It just blew me off ... When I plugged my line 6 pod go to it the guitar shop owner was also zapped with the sound quality and the punch...gr8 product
Indeed, and for that money it's really fantastic. Can't go wrong
Love mine very very happy with it
Good choice buddy! I'm testing the Fender version this week, very curious
I wish there would be more LFR 212 reviews out there like yours. I am running the Helix into a PowerCab 112 and Katana MK2 (pwr amp in) in stereo. And whilst I know I can get stereo from the LFR212 I am loving 212 verticals
Thanks Markus! I have a Zilla Cab 212 vertical, it's the perfect cab: you can hear it when it's behind you and it doesn't break your back. You combi sounds like a perfect solution!
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise Yes it is a cool combo. I never really use anything other than the power amp in Katana. And (as expected) it does color the sound a little bit. So I might get a 212 LFR for the behind me and kick the PC112 back on its tilt and have it next to foldback... Last weekend we played and I had full Stereo rig on stage (and XLR hard L/R to FOH)... it was epic :)
Finally ordered a 212 LFR. So that should be here next week. Can’t wait. I’ll pair with my Powercab 112 in stereo.
@@bruunm1975, how did you go with the 212? I’m considering one as well and would appreciate your insights/experience so far.
I think I'm going to get one of these cabs soon for my FM3. They were out of stock for a long time on Thomann but now they have popped up on their site again :)
You will not regret it, I’m sure!
Dag Pat! Ik denk dat ik ook voor een Laney ga voor mijn Fractal. Gebruik je nog steeds de 112? Nog steeds even tevreden?
Are you still happy with the Laney 112? I have an axe iii that I run thru EV elx 12 tops and have been finding the same thing you mentioned. A lot of tweaking to get what I want to hear. Thinking about getting two 112 or two 212 Laney frfr cabs. . Wondering if you could play back music thru these like a backing track or if that would get colored?
I have tried the kemper cab with kemper unit as well as a mission engineering cab with kemper. Did not like either. Especially for high gain.
Anyway just curious if you ever bought a second one for stereo.
Hi Mike. I have been on a journey with those modelers...I did a video with some decent recordings of a live gig explaining why I will no longer be using a modeler live: ruclips.net/video/de75qPDyiwM/видео.html
Since then I sold the FM3, got a Quad Cortex...sold that one too en bought another FM3 (the Turbo). For my rock band gigs I'm now using a BadCat amp and a Gigrig G3S with a dozen pedals and I'm happy. In the studio here I'm using the FM3. I also have a 'one man band' looping project, and for this I also try to use the FM3.. but I'm struggling. I have to invest so much time to get a sound that I like when I'm playing...I'm getting desperate and may end up selling the FM3 again, and getting the new Laney 'amp pedal' and a few standard pedals. The Laney LFR is just as good as it was at the start, it's just for me, as a player, I can't find a sound in those modelers that inspires me when playing live. It's all very controled and neat, but I need the unpredictable feedback, the interaction between cab and guitar. I can't seem to get that with a modeler, any modeler. The Laney can be set to PA mode, so then it's a wonderful (expensive) bleutooth speaker :)
Buddy, I've been using my helix on a mackie thump active box. I have never used an frfr case and the opportunity arose to pick up a laney lfr112. Does it make a big difference in sound quality? Worth to buy?

Hey man, yes it makes a big difference! I really think it brings the modelers to life. Definitively worth the purchase!
What model Ibanez are you playing? That is a beautiful instrument!
Hey Mark, that is en Ibanez AZ Tom Quayle model. The top is monkeypod. According to Tom (he's a friend of mine) this is the most beautiful version he's ever seen...I'm keeping it! ;)
Very well!
Now the next question (or video?): is it better running Fm3 on FRFR cabs or flat monitor speakers (for home practicing)?
Hey Matteo, in my experience the FM3 (and that was the same with the Helix) sounds way better with studio monitors than FRFR's. I have Genelec 8020D and (old) Alesis Monitor One in my studio. But I would not hesitate to get the Laney for practicing and live use, for the money it's unbeatable.
This was my planned setup from the beginning!
well, you could do worse! ;) All the best, it takes a bit of work but it pays off!
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise thank for the review, could you make another video with more sounds samples? I can get the Laney lfr 2x12 at a very good price but not able to try it out, is it worth for home use?
Hi Marco, I would not hesitate, especially if the price is good! It is particularly good for home use since you can crank the amps to the max and still play at bedroom volume.
We're doing 2 gigs next weekend (7 and 8 August) I will try to record some more sounds. I'm getting better results the more I work with the unit. I'm surprised how good it sounds with EMG pickups! I did not expect that at all!
@@marcocelestino4308 I was searching for a 1x12 when it went suddenly unavailable in my country (Italy). So I found a used 2x12 and I bought it even if actually I can’t play it, because I’m moving from my home to another one. I was afraid to miss the thing so I bought it. When I will be able to play it, I will tell you my opinions!
@@m.r.4455 grazie 😀 Matteo molto gentile , fammi sapere cosa ne pensi
I found the plastic back pa speakers were never good with the helix, the wood back ELX112P was a much better sound, in fact after comparing speakers at that time it was the best sounding by far, I went to guitar center and played through every available 12" powered monitor, the Electro Voice ELX112P was unbeatable. Now that there are more Powered Cabs out for this purpose im sure thats not the case but I highly recommend the the ELX112P for those running monitors.
Hello. I'd like your opinion about laney frfr 112 for live monitoring stage. Mono or stereo??.
hi, for montering on stage it works fine...but: it doesn't project very wide. So I put the speaker on a tilted cab stand to make sure it shoots the sound at my ear. If you would use 2, in stereo, I'm sure it will sound fantastic. Just make sure they are directed to your ears. Another thing I noticed: they appear to be loud, but given the fact you are not using a tube amp, on stage it projects not that much volume. You know: tube watts compared to solid stat watts...different things :)
Bought one too because of your reactions Pat...;) Sounds great indeed and love that TQ Ibanez! Btw. That chord you're playing a lot in the beginning, sounds so great but i still don't know which chord that is. Can you tell me please? Grtzzz Leon
Hi Leon, thanks, I hope the cab serves you well! It's a very solid choice. That chord...you mean at 2:24 and further? That is a E7#9 chord. So, from low E string to high E it's: 0 - 7 (middle finger) - 6 (first finger) - 7 (ring finger) - 8 (pinky) - 0 (last string is usually muted. Sometimes referred to as the 'Jimi Hendrix' chord since he used it so much. Technically it starts as an E chord (C-shape fingering starting with your first finger on the 5 fret B string (E note), then the seventh is added, so your pinky comes into play and you get (low E to High E): 0 - 7 (ring finger) - 6 (middle finger) - 7 (pinky) - 5 (first finger) - 0 (usually muted).
Finally we add the #9 and then your fingers end up as above described. It's a moveable chord of you don't use the open strings. It's a dominant chord (it has a flat7) with a 'sharp' 9 (the #9), it offers some tension and wants to go to its 1 chord, in this case: an A chord, since E is 5 steps above A: A-B-C-D-E...when we count we include the starting point', so 5 in this case and not 4, although it's technically 4 'steps'). So if you move your fingers 3 frets up, your middle finger ends up on a G note, 10th fret of the A string, it now becomes a G7#9 and wants to resolve to a C chord. Enjoy! Pat
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise that's the one. Much appreciated for your extensive answer!! Thank you very much! Didn't know it was the JH chord ;) see it often on RUclips or live but never knew what it was. 👍👊
Great video! I have a headrush frfr108, I've used it to gig a few times and it does the job. I'm really tempted to pick the laney up for gigs for more of a cab behind me feel.
Is this loud enough for gigs? And can you mic it up rather than xlr to front of house? Cheers!
Well, for gigs...I have played a few now and without a decent PA and monitoring system I would not think I would manage with just the Laney. With any decent +20W tube amp I would be fine, but I don't think the Laney on its own would manage with our band. It all depends on the size of gigs you do of course
You never said but are you using your cab sim from FM3 or the build in laney cab sim?
you are right, I forgot to mention that. No sims from the FM3, just straight into the Laney and I'm using the 412 option.
Hi! Thanks for the videos! Great stuff! How do you feel about the cab now you've been using it for a while? Still sounds good to you?
Hi there, thanks for your nice comment! well...I just decided not to use the FM3 live anymore. I just posted a video about that. I struggle to get the guitar to interact with the FM3 and Laney the way it would with a regular amp. I worked hard trying to get there, but for the style of music we play it seems very difficult. So, I still like the cab and will be using this setup for teaching and recording, but for the live gigs with my bands I'm back to old school pedalboard and tube amp. If I would do everything I need to do to get the modeler and cab to act like a real amp, I would be lugging even more stuff than before, and that was not the plan when I got the FM3. I loved the idea, but it doesn't seem to be ideal for me..
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise Thank you!
Thanks for the review. Would it be realistic to use it at bedroom levels?
Absolutely! Unlike a tube amp, a modeler doesn't sound different when you change the volume. You could play at 1dB and still sound like a crancked Marshal :)
Hi, greetings from Chile.
i just bought a FRFR LANEY 212, last night i was testing it with low volume, i was checking that the sound was very different comparing my krk rokit 5 monitors studio....
i know that the frfr system are different than tube amps, but i read in other youtube channel and a friend told me that we need to set it up at least with some "goog" volume to sound good....
i feel that i lost a little bit of tone and quality ....
what do you think about the volume, could be true?
Hi Rafael, thanks for your comment. I had that same problem. During rehearsals and gigs (we play rather loud) the sound became more 'digital'. I was hoping that a 212 wouldn't have that problem, but it seems similar. So I needed to tweak the presets at gig level indeed.
I don't know what modeler you are using, but with the Fractal I noticed that the sound to the Front of House was good, it was just my sound on stage that lacked quite a bit of that 'tube' feel. I no longer use the Laney, I have bought an Ashdown Newt (amp in a pedal), turned off my IR's in the Quad Cortex and run the Newt straight into a guitar cab (112, 212 or 412) and that sounds so much better. Blackstar have just released their 'amp in a pedal', the AMPED1, which looks really good. My Ashdown has a noisy fan, quite annoying when practicing at home, but no issue live of course. I contacted Ashdown about it and they reassured me the fan needs to be there in order for the amp not to go into 'safety' mode when it runs too hot. Imagine the amp shutting down during a gig... Hope you find a solution, the Laney stuff is really good!
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise hey thanks for the comment!!! Look… I was testing yesterday… with “good” volumen I could get a good response of the frfr…. Seems the first day I was testing it too low volume…
So, seems my problem was resolved.
Thanks for the answer.
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise ahh, I forgot it… I use helix floor. Greetings from Chile !
From what I gather PA speakers have a frequency dampening that helps vocals sound better. FRFR don’t, which helps modelers sound better.
That sounds very plausible, thanks!
Hi there, have you tried using a hard eq to block all frequencies below 100hz and 6000 hz? I thin it helps getting rid of the fractal spark too high end
hi there, thanks for your info. Yes, I finally figured that out, what a massive difference. I'm also using the Quad Cortex now, same problem, same solution. It works!
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise awesome 🙌🏻
how is the 112 laney going with loud gigs and rehearsals ??
Hi Glen, well, the Laney projects its sound very 'focussed'. A regular speaker shoots the sound in a wider angle than the Laney, so you have to make sure you are in the line of fire when you are at a loud gig/rehearsal. There is no difference in sound between a low and high volume, it's exactly the same just louder or more quite (a tube amp will sound different at different volumes).
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise i might just stick with my foldback speaker :)
You think it's better with the 212 for loud rehearsal ?
Hey Jakob, well a 212 gives a broader sound spectrum. So you’ll have more low end. But as for sheer volume, the 112 is very loud. I would love to give the 212 a try but I can’t convince Laney to send me one and in the stores here you can only find the 112
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise I see, thank you for your reply :-)
do you still think this is the most "guitar like" of the FRFR cabs. I saw you sold your fm3 and were not going to use it for live use but would you still recomend this FRFR over the others? I DO want that guitar cab in the room sound and i also dont get on with that wierd digital artifacts you get using Alto and Headrush frfr wedges
hey Conrad, that is a difficult question. If I felt the FM3 and the Laney offered me that cab in the room sound/feel I would have kept the FM3. A lot of my friends still use it with a Laney and still think it's the best of the options. I had a 'standard' FRFR first, and the difference with the Laney was huge, really huge. I tried a few others (QRC, Alto, ..) and still think the Laney beats them. Maybe Hennings video may help: ruclips.net/video/OVYGelPsoaY/видео.html
But for the moment I will stay with my tube amps.
And remember: the sound is not the problem, the feel is. But the feel determines how we perceive sound (when you are playing the guitar through these devices). The listener will think it sounds fine, but since the feel is different, the player will perceive the sound as not being 'the real thing'
I'm having some issues with my Laney cab clipping at rehearsal loud volumes, Can't seem to find the right balance on my FM3. Not sure what happened either the FM3 or Laney cab sound cut out every once in a while with the red clipping light on.
That's odd...So when the sound cuts out, is the clipping light of the FM3 on? It could be that it's trying to protect the input of the monitor, but I'm not sure.
The advice from the factory is to turn the volume of the FM3 all the way up (without the output clipping) and adjust the overall volume with the amp/FRFR. If the FM3 is not clipping and the Laney is only clipping/distorting at very loud volumes, it means you've found the limits of the Laney. If the Laney is also clipping at low volumes something is wrong and I would contact Laney. Difficult to analyse without having the units here, hope you get it sorted buddy. All the best!
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise Thanks! I think next rehearsal I'll dive more into this..
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise Sorry to ask again, I got a chance to rehearse again and this time my sound was good, no sound cutting out, but my Laney kept clipping, the Fm3 wasn't clipping but if I were to turn the volume more on either the Fm3 or Laney frfr the red clipping light would come on constantly. So basically im not able to play along with a full band with this Frfr without it clipping at halfway.
@@TheSpineSplitter1990 Hey buddy, are you guys playing really loud? I heard of a few 'rock and roll' situations where the band was so loud that the 112 with its 200 Watts could not keep up and the guitarist had to go to the 212 version (twice the power). I must say, they must play really loud. We play quite loud (I have to wear earplugs) and the Laney is at 12 o'clock and has no problem keeping up.
When you play on your own, with the volume just below clipping, does it sound really loud to you? It should...if not there is something wrong. If it sounds really loud, than your band is very loud and you may need more Watts
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise Sorry for the late reply, but yes our band is a loud fast punk band, The FRFR only has this issue when playing loud at rehearsal. I had a gig on Saturday and had to instead plug in straight to the venues PA, which wasn't too good sounding since none of my patches are set for that yet. Someone said in a forum that I should make my patches loud and then use the volume knob on the FRFR to adjust.. Haven't tried that yet. I got the 1x12 Laney cause it was light weight and easier to transport but looks like I might have to get the 2x12 version if this one last try doesn't do it. Thanks for the reply!
Hello. Does the input volume adjustment affects the DI out? or is it independent?
Hi, according to the Block Diagram in the manual, the DI out comes after the Level knob, the Hi Freq trim and the Emulation switch, so that is the sound and volume that will go to the DI out. If you want the 'unaltered' sound you could use 'Link Out', this one is tapped right after the input.
Would you say that this thing is heavy for a 1x12 speaker?
the unit is 42,9 pounds. So for a 112 it's substantial, but don't forget there is an amp in there :)
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise would you find it bothersome carrying it into a gig?
@@jeeeeev not at all. I've done it many times. I had a custom cover made by Hot Covers UK and that protects the speaker really well. the speaker has really solid handles all over, so carrying it is not a problem
Trying to figure out the PowerCab Plus or this Laney
Well Scott, I know 2 guys who sold their Powercab and got a Laney. You could buy 2 Laneys fot the price of one Powercab, that is something I would keep in mind as well. I was impressed with the Powercab, but I am 100% sold on the Laney. You don't have that '6 speaker in one' option, but that is something I wouldn't use, I want to change that in the FM3, not in the cab. Best option would be to have them side by side and listen to both. Good luck with the hunt, there is no bad choice!
Had powercab 212+ for 5 months and got the Laney LFR212... the powercab was sold in a week!!! 1800 dollars the Powercab vs 600 dollars the LFR212 in my country!
Indeed, Laney is killing it these days!
@@richo144 how you finding the lfr 212 . Not many reviews on them. Cheers
@@richo144 where did you get it at that price?!
Is this the 200 or 400 ?
Hi, this is a 200W amp and cab. Pretty loud, but for gigging I would go for the 400W version, 2 speakers have a bigger spread of the sound, this 112 needs to be aiming for your ears when playing a loud gig. I put it on a tilted speaker stand, so it functions a bit like a wedge
@@PatDeJongeSoundwise thanks for getting back to me, is the 400 2x12 I thought it was 1x12 and the vertical 2x12 was 800 ?
@@lperry65 here you can find the specs of both: www.laney.co.uk/amps/guitar/frfr
And you are right, the 112 is 400W. But it doesn't really sound like 400W.... I have no idea how they measure it, but I assume the marketing department had its say in this :)
Hi you still using these ? What’s your option now ?
Hi Cristopher, it's been quite the journey. I worked really hard to make the FM3 do what I needed it to do, but in a live situation I just could not get the 'feel' of a real tube amp. Feedback and any other kind of interaction between the guitar and the amp was/is very difficult. I finally gave up and sold the FM3 and I bought a Gigrig G3 and went back to standard pedals. I love it. But...in the last couple of months I had quite a few 'one of' gigs as a session guitarist and I really wished I still had the FM3 for that: compact, lightweight, flexible etc. So I will be getting an FM9 next month (I was on the waiting list since december 21) and I can't wait, I need it :)
its amazing but $800 ughhhhhhhhhh why must you make me poor :D