I’m glad to hear they are working for you. As I said in this video there were very solid… until they weren’t. They are retired from running and on casual duty as of now for me.
@@joelramos3635 Inalso got ankle discomfort from the I3, much different though than my issue with the V17. The issue in the I3 is the heel clip design Nike uses. I had the same issue with the Infinity 1-3 and Invincible 1-3… that heel clip is doing something to limit some type of movement than my foot/ankle naturally does and that causes some soreness and eventual pain if I ran in any of those shoes too much.
Thank you for this video. I had to stop during my run this morning to try to alleviate sudden pain in the same exact area you experienced. I thought perhaps the tongue slid to the outside too much, but your explanation makes more sense. I was on a cambered road and just hit 70 miles on this pair. Will proceed with caution now. Thanks again.
That’s exactly where I first started to notice the issue, a cambered road. It’s a bummer because the shoe was very enjoyable up to that point. Definitely proceed with caution and keep an eye on that sidewall.
Wow, what a difference in experience. I very much prefer the Vomero 17 over the Pegasus 40. Much nicer ride, more cushioning, and it was consistently so for me. I completed nearly 400miles in them, including several half marathons and a full marathon, and recently bought a new pair which I’m running in now.
I have this issue now with my PEG40 after about a year of daily trainning running and overall daily use. I was about to get a vomero 17 but thanks to this video (thanks) I'm waiting for the peg41...
I went through this video a few weeks ago when it was first uploaded but wasn’t paying to close of an attention to it. I came back to watch it again as I just came back from a trip to HK and was walking whole days on the Vomero 17. Also went out for 2 training runs in the morning on the trip on them. After first 2 days I felt that my right calf was so tight that I can feel a bit of irritation. My left foot muscles and/or ligaments have gotten pretty tight as well. I didn’t have these experiences when I was doing all the walking on the Pegasus 40 and the Invincible 3s. I am not sure if the stability combined with the softness of the Zoom X on this platform has something to do with the conditions. I was average about 20k steps a day on the trip but never had I have some issues even on stiffer midsoles like On Cloud shoes.
Interesting. When I retired this shoe from running I tried it as a casual daily wear shoe. After the first time I went out in it on some errands I completely retired it to the donation box. I as getting the same pain on the top of my foot and ankle as I got from running.
@@SagasuRunning Thanks for sharing. I am thinking the issues I am having come from the walking part of the days rather than running. Running along the hard concrete/tile surface of Avenue of Stars certainly didn’t help with the already tired leg muscles. The shoes might feel soft and I am having this theory where the softness + the strange platform made my foot and calf muscles having to work more even though it is just walking. I didn’t have these problem on harder midsoles such as On Cloud and Pegasus 40. I am guessing that I didn’t have that much of an issue with Invincible 3 was because the shoe’s platform is actually pretty wide. In fact, I was in them when I traveled to Taiwan for my race at Taroko and they treated my tired legs pretty well afterward.
@@TimGrose haha… I’m enjoying them… but they are not all that (there are a few “buts”). I’ll explain… it will be a two parter. Context first then the review….
@@SagasuRunning i Just ordert my pair yesterday, maybe i should have waited a week for your review. If the Video isnt filmed yet can you Talk about how they compare to the Magic Speed 3 in Therms of Intervall Sessions or maybe even do a Video about that. Would be nice to hear your Opinion on that comparison. Hope you have a good day
Great review & nice video!! Another YTR who is a chinese, he suggests heel striker buy the shoes. He is also the forefoot striker, so he doesn't like the shoes.
the 18th comes out this month. hope nike's smart enough to make the upper more minimal and breathable for this years edition. if so, then this shoe would be great as heck
I haven’t seen anything about a V18 release this month (besides that one website everyone refers too which is always wrong). Nor do I know anyone who works in retail who sees a V18 or VP in their inventory systems. Nor has Nike issued a press release on them. So I wouldn’t expect it until spring 2025. From waht we have seen from the leaks the upper on the V18 looks similar to the V17 (which wasn’t bad) and the VP looks considerably softer and more open than the I3, which many will appreciate.
I mainly run in very humid 30-34c temps and never once have thought to myself “this shoe is too warm”. Your shoes are going to fill with sweat regardless in 5-8k, no matter what. Though uppers that and breathable and drain well… that’s a good thing.
@@SagasuRunning so the actual problem I remembered with this shoe is that the tongue is way too thick. That needs to be improved & a single layer mesh would be superb
@@Animejook Ha, we have nearly opposite taste in shoe fit. I thought the tongue on the V17 was one of the best parts of the upper. It really helped the overall fit. I detest stretchy and thing tongues on shoes. The Peg41 has a good much. The lower part of the tongue is I thin(ner) engineered mesh and the upper part is padded. Great lockdown all around. I do know what you mean when the tongue is too spongy of a material and hair absorbs sweat. Those types are much more uncommon now. It is a fine line though.
I think the midsole shaping of the Pegasus and the overall fit is much better (especially in the 39 > 40), but the ZoomX foam in the Vomero 17 feels so much nicer. That being said, I have about 300 miles in my Vomeros, and it has a lot of problems. It runs long while also being narrow, the upper is really thick and especially the tongue is WAY too plush, and the decoupled-ish groove in the back is too wide while the overall heel width of the shoe is still narrow. I think the Invincible 3 is honestly a much better shoe and promotes better biomechanics. It’s bouncier, more durable, and the sizing is spot on. The only problem with that shoe is the heel lockdown, but it goes away once the zoomx breaks in a bit and the heel foam starts conforming to your foot. Nike honestly needs to give us two trainers. A Pegasus with engineered mesh (not knit 😤) with a foam that’s maybe a bit softer and bouncier, kind of like the ride, priced around $130-140; and an Invincible with good heel lockdown and maybe a little bit less weight if possible (even though the shoe does not feel heavy at all - and for how wide the foam is, the weight is actually not that bad to begin with because the energy return is so insane). $180 is honestly pretty steep, but it’s also such a good shoe. Especially if the Pegasus becomes a bit more protective and is $40-50 cheaper, then the jump to the invincible is more down to personal preference as opposed to necessity (think Novablast > Superblast, or Cloudsurfer > Cloudeclipse). The Vomero feels redundant in the lineup rn. They should just focus their efforts on making a better ZoomFly to compete with the Endorphin Speed. That’s it. Come in Nike!
The Nike Pegasus 41 looks to be considerably softer with ReactX foam… but I do have concerns on they. Hopefully they don’t come to fruition. The next Invincible also seems to be a big change and step forward for the shoe. I actually find the Vomero 17 more natural to run in over the Invincible… they doesn’t make the Invincible bad but I can be a handful. I agree though that Nike needs to evolve their trainers a little bits simplify and streamline most of them. There is a lot of bloat out there right now.
Wish I had watched this before I purchased. Bought these and had the same experience, first run. I had to loosen the laces up a ton and still had pain. The tongue comes up really high and is so thick. And then I think the softness of the outsole makes your ankle work harder to stay stable. I had this same experience with the Invincible. Pretty done with higher stack zoom x.
@@SagasuRunning that makes sense. I run 95% on trail and use the Kiger 9 which is pretty minimal. I rock climb so my ankles are fairly strong but not in the way that the softer foam feels. Definitely going back to lower drop and stack. Such a bummer because the cushiness definitely feels good when you put it on.
I bought my Vomeros a month ago and I've run approx 200km in them. The plan was that they are my daily trainers for the winter. I've had the Pegasus 38, 39 and 40. I wanted something softer. In the beginning, with the Vomeros, I had slight pain on the soles of my feet always during the first kilometres of a run. Then that stopped happening. I guess my feet adjusted. And I did always feel that the Vomeros ever so slightly tried to push my feet to turn outward as you described. My right foot did not give in so to say. Rather the shoe adjusted to my foot. My right shoe feels now perfect! I would really like to have my left foot land so I could feel the weight under my big toe. But it feels as if the left shoe guides my foot to turn outward. And after a 20km easy run yesterday, i feel slight pain on the ankle at the same spots you were showing on the video. I've liked to run in the Vomeros (vs Pegasus 40). But if my ankle says otherwise, i will have to search for alternatives..
@ArttuJuselius Ya… I think this problem is very specific to one certain foot strikes. The untrained some foam over a firmer foam with lack of support under it can be a problem for sure. Good news is that the V18 looks to be a totally different design and doesn’t carry this midsole detail forward.
These are on casual wear duty now for me… unless I get the same stability issues in the forefoot (which I shouldn’t walking) then they go to the donation box.
I suspect these shoes are highly sensitive to foot length. The smaller foot being the one abused by the zoomx enlargement transition area. Best method to bring my smaller foot forward 2mm? (Just measured my feet length and there the variance between my left and right is 8mm😢)
Interestingly while I’m right side dominant my left foot is also about 6mm longer than my right and a bit higher volume. So fit for me is usually better on my left foot. The difference is minor enough that I don’t really worry about it or that it really causes problems for me. If you want to make up the difference you’d need to explore the use of orthotics.
Sounds like you might be having an issue with your Peroneal Tendon. As someone who supinates a bit, I did have the same issue with this shoe at first. Messing with the lockdown and changing out for better socks seemed to fix the issue for me but I know everyone is different. The Vomero’s (and the NB 1080v13’s) are still my favorite shoe for easy runs but I think the Pegasus are really the more of a one size fits all.
Possibly… but only this shoe and this design flaw gave me issue. I didn’t like the shoe enough to troubleshoot it either. I have plenty of better options to run in. Plus I prefer the Peg in all ways…
This is excellent analysis with a clear rationale for causation. Incredible that the worlds largest trainer manufacturer overlooked this in 2023… how can the same company responsible for the Alpha Fly create such error strewn (the insertion of Zoom X in that design) or thoughtless creations in everyday categories. I hope Nike listen… What are your thoughts on Nike as an overall run trainer brand. They have their super shoes covered but where is the coherence beneath that… Invincible >Vomero>Pegasus>StreakFly this doesn’t seem convincing against Saucony, ASICS, Puma or Adidas.
I personally don’t think it’s and oversight. It’s far too large. My guess is they angling in the rail in that area of the shoe is there to soften initial impact on strike in some form (same reason it’s on the Pegasus). I can’t believe it didn’t come up in testing though… unless all the testers were only heel strikers? As for Nike’s trainers… it’s a bit iffy at the moment. The Peg > Vaporfly combo (with a Streakfly thrown in there) is outstanding. However there are a lot of other trainers > racer lines now that are overall more built out or versatile. In 2024 a Peg > Turbo > VF3 > AF3 combo is going to be outstanding… but I can say that about a few other brands now… This is going to be a video later in the year I think.
Thanks for your valuable & fairness experience sharing on Vomero 17 and I agree to bypass this version and will see what’s next in the 18 later this year. Will you plan to test Saucony Endorphin Speed 4 in near future ?
I’m currently planning on eventually getting to the Speed 4, but it might not be until the summer or fall as Saucony shoes are almost non-existent here in Taiwan. I’m keeping an eye out for them though…
I was going to get the Vomero 17 but the ZoomX concerned me a bit because I know it softens up quite a bit. So I stayed away from it. I definitely prefer the Peg 39/40 . I know it is the old React foam but it is more stable and firmer. Definitely more versatile. If I was to run in the Vomero it would be very easy running… recovery runs. 😅
For recovery runs there are FAR better options out there. The V17 does easy running well though… as long as you aren’t a forefoot striker 😂 I’m going to miss React foam. It seems Nike has replaced it nearly completely in 2024 with ReactX… which feels very different. Hopefully not every ReactX shoe will feel as bad as the Infinity RN4 did… 🤞🏻
Yeah I agree. The ReactX foam is a different beast entirely. I have the Infinity Run 4. I actually like the foam for WALKING. 😂 I use it for walking in the hospital. But man you feel the weight of that shoe. However I am excited for it on the Pegasus 41 as long as it doesn’t make it too heavy. It is a much bouncier foam. It reminds of the FF Blast+ but much denser.
@@Ben-yw8be Yup, the IRN4 was a good fitness/walking shoe that you can jog in once in a while...but not a running shoe. ReactX and FFBlast+ are very similar, even though they are TPU vs EVA...similar properties. I hope Nike tunes ReactX in the Peg41 to be former than the IRN4. Otherwise the dual airbags are going to be an issue and the shoe will just be a squishy mess.
I think I am having the same problem with the cumulus 24 with the ankle pain. I have the Peg 39 and it seems better in that shoe but I need more cushion than what peg has to offer. I just got the Cumulus 25 and that is better.
They are both a single block of foam, FFBlast+ vs React… though the C25 has the gel in the heel (which is minimal). The C25 will be much softer than the P40. Also the C25 has a bit more foam in it. I didn’t run in the C25 but will be covering the C26 when it’s available.
Vomero 16s did the same thing to me. Irritated the top of the ankle and translated into a sore lower knee. Novablast4 immediately calmed the legs and no looking back.
Honestly, It depends on what kind of runner you are! If you are just a neutral runner, the Vomero's will support you, but if you are heavy, I would say don't go for the Vomero's, the unstable foam is not great for heavy runners. If you are lighter (like you seem) of course the Pegs are better for you! Keep running :)
I'm not that light, for a runner. I'm around 75kg/165lbs...but yes, the Vomero suits a lighter runner due to how the two densities of foams work together, especially once ZoomX starts to wear in.
Great video I have exactly the same problems as yourself! Shocking really when I invested all my hard earned money to buy something that would help me compete at the marathon. I have been in agony for weeks and the company I bought them from were not helpful at all. It’s incredibly difficult to get in touch with Nike. How convenient! 🤷♂️
Nike does have a good returns policy and contacting them via their app is rather easy. But if you bought through a 3rd party you need to go to them. It’s unfortunate the shoe has this issue as it was decent until then.
so i got this shoe too, and i also have a problem with it. the outside of my right foot becomes sore/exhausted after like 2/3k. but not at the ankle, more in the middle or front. also spreads a bit under the foot. the soreness doesn't go away until i stop completely. even walking doesn't relieve the condition. i also had that problem with the peg41. so i am not sure what causes this.. do you have any ideas?
Until you said you had the same problem with the Peg 41 I was thinking it was similar to what I talked about in this video. However, now I don't know, as the Peg 41 doesn't have any real instability there. The only thing that I can think of and where I'd start trouble shooting is width. Sounds like something is getting pinched somewhere.
I did not buy the Vomero 17, but instead I got the Structure 25 that works marvelous well for me and the Air zoom bubble is more tuned for cushioning them it is for energy return that we can notice that tuning in the Pegasus 40 . Another Nike shoes that I got last year that, for me ,is also better heel to toe transition is the Infinity Run 4. I liked my Invincible 3 a lot, and I did not have any heel lockdown or whatever problems. But I do prefer either my Nike Structure 25 or the Infinity 4 over the Invincible 3, which is a faster high cushioning shoes.
I don’t need a stability shoe which is why I won’t touch the Structure… and I really didn’t get on the the Infinity RN4 (I have a long video as to why). But that doesn’t matter, I’m just one voice, it’s great you found some models that works for you and aid your running. That is the way to do it! 💪🏻
Umm not good. I wore mine again the other day for a "plod" quite enjoyed them for that but mine are more like at 50 miles not 100. Will have to observe what's going on there for me. Vomero 17 takes my record at 15g by having the biggest weight difference between the two shoes. TBF can't notice it on foot but could "sort of" have a similar effect if one is slightly dragging over the other. In hindsight is that a sort of thing you could question and ask to be swopped at. Another 2 layer midsole shoe I had was the Puma Velocity Nitro 2 which I also retired at 100 miles as felt the foam(s) had just gone "flat". Others seemed to use them way longer so sometimes maybe we just have a bad luck with a certain shoe.
I’m looking forward to trying the Velocity Nitro 3… whenever it shows up here in Taiwan. But it’s a brand new brand to me so I have zero expectations. My V17s were about 7g weight difference.
I had something like that with the original Velocity Nitro right at 500km where the nitro foam suddenly degraded past some threshold and I was getting foot pain. But 500km is not really a durability problem. I was put off by how sudden and unpleasant the change was, though.
Yeah, Vomero 17 feels really unstable on the outside of my feet and after long runs I definitely feel soreness right in the region which you highlight in the video. It tends to roll outwards really easy. I also can't get a good lockdown on first try with that bulky plush tongue which might contribute to the problem. No such issues with the Pegasus. Put it on and forget about it.
I have this problem with the zoom fly 5... it buldges so insanely heavy into the midfoot part of the shoe, only on the medial site on my left foot, that I'm worried that it is actually affecting my runningform a lot. Since the enture structure of the shoe starts to lean into those buldges... And that after around 80km. Not sure if I should keep using it or trashing it as a bad purchase.
The ZF5 is a bit of a brick… too heavy… to wide… too dead… there is no Zoom or fly left in the shoe or series… I’d chalk it up as a learning experience and look to greener pastures. There are so many good shoes out there… no reason to run in a dud.
@@SagasuRunning Yeeee... that is actually the worst part of it, I read the reviews and that it is actually a daily trainer/easy pace shoe, so I wanted to use it for that, but for easy pace the foam seems to have way too less structure... I should have gone with the invincible 3. I hope the Invincible 4 gets released soon, will be my next nike.
@Chungdol Odd, the ZF5 is nearly the opposite from that purpose. The Invincible is a much better choice. I haven’t heard any dates around an I4… though there are leaked photos out there of two shoes that look very Invincible. I would expect one this year though.
Interesting. The instability from the rail in the forefoot could cause you to really roll over laterally on foot strike… but you’d need to really over-supinate to make that happen. Be careful out there.
In the I3… not really. The formula of ZoomX used there seems a bit firmer than what is used in the VF/AF. Plus the strobel board under the insole makes the shoe overall stiffer. The I3 never really becomes “squishy” but it does break in and flex with your foot better, which messes it feel less clunky over time.
Nike Pegasus 40 and the Adidas Adizero SL would be my top two recommendations at the moment. There are others out there but I think those are the best options. Keep in mind new models are about to release for both over the coming months.
I enjoyed the I3 initially but after about 150miles it just got too squishy and all of the the place. Plus I don’t like the heel clip design Nike was using on the shoe (and old Infinity 1-3)…
@@SagasuRunning While I like the Invincible 3, I do hope for 4 (if we get one), they go back to more of the 1/2. Don't really love the heel clip and all of the extra stability mechanisms they put in the shoe, but I guess that's a critique I have over a lot of shoes recently
@@michaelcaricoo From what I have seen the next Invincible looks even MORE Invincible. More foam/stack. More rocker. Really turning the volume up to 11 on it. There is a second shoe spotted that looks to be Nike’s answer to the Prime X… but bigger. It’s unclear if they are the same shoe or different models. But both look bonkers.
@@SagasuRunning Saw the Nike Prime X which looks exciting, hadn't seen the Invincible 4. Regardless I'm glad Nike is testing a lot of designs to "catch up" (for lack of a better term right now) to the rest of the industry for what they're putting out
💯 thank you, this is the issue!! and the fix is a cheap supination insole! Zoomx invincible cause me a bit of supination on the forefoot, for the same reason. i have Valgus knee (my feet are a bit rotated inward). the combination of both = stress/strech of the outside part of the knee = Iliotibial band syndrome (ITBS). And i was running too much (14 km every 2 days, 15 times per month) because zoomx is too good!!!
I'm glad you found a solve for this. Yes, the Invincible would do the same thing, but for a different reason. The edges of the Invincible 3 outsole are rounded, which makes rolling outward even easier on initial strike with supinating.
I don't consider the vermero as a daily trainer cos there's not enough cushion in the forefoot compared to the heel. It's ok for casual wear but definetly not recommended for daily runs even for shot distance. Just bought the gel nimbus 25 for a kiiler price at the asics clearence sale & I'm loving every bit of it. Extremely comfortable & there's plenty of support & cushion at the forefoot & heel. It's the type of shoe that will make u run even when u don't feel like it😂😂😂 Highly recommended.
You do know that the Vomero is Nike’s high cushion line for high volume (long) running with a plush step I feel. Not event shoe needs to be 30mm in the forefoot. I consider, as do most, the Vomero to be an extremely cushioned shoe, though I do agree there is an emphasis on the heel cushion. And that heel emphasis is why I disagree that is is a good casual shoe… you sink on far too much into the foam and almost have a negative drop feel… very awkward to walk in. The Nimbus, at best, is an easy day shoe but it’s mainly meant as also a high cushioned shoe. Similar to the Vomero. I do d the Nimbus too heavy, bulky and mushy for anything more than a recovery run… even then the Novablast 4 is a better shoe for that.
Yes, but her foot strike and running gate matter more. If she is landing on her forefoot, on the outside of her foot she may run into issues well before if she is a heel striker who pronates, which if that is the case she likely will have no issues at all. I got about 90mins, or a few months, out of these before the problems arose once the foams started to break in.
I’ve been dealing with the exact pain for 10 years now that you’re dealing with in the Vomero 17. I don’t run anymore unfortunately due to peroneal and extensor tendonitis in both feet and I’m wondering if using the Vomero 17 as an everyday work shoe/walking shoe if I’ll experience the same problems down the road? I noticed today the lack of stability on the left side of the forefoot wearing the Vomero 17 for the second time and it has me thinking about returning my Vomero’s to the Nike store and getting the Nimbus 25’s instead which feel similar but have more stability. Since I already have peroroneal tendonitis issues do you think I’ll have issues with my peroneal tendon hurting the more I use this shoe as an everyday work shoe/walking shoe? Should I get the ASICS Nimbus 25 instead?
I can’t diagnose anything, I’m far from qualified. However, the Nimbus 25/26 is a much more stable shoe than the V17. If you are already feeling issues in the V17, they are only going to get worst over time.
@@SagasuRunning Thabkfully I don’t have any issues with Vomero 17. No pain worth so ever, unlike with the infinityrn which gave me issues. I had just noticed the lack of stability in the forefoot and the roll on the left peroneal side that you were talking about. Thankfully I can still return them which I’m thinking about doing
I am looking for a comfortable walking shoe that helps with pronation. Love the look and feel of the V17 when testing in store, but I'm not sure how stable it will be. Any advice?
While it’s not that stable in my opinion. For pronation it’s actually pretty good. Lots of medial structure in the shoe. ZoomX does break down quickly. It’s a performance running for. Not really intended for walking. It will work but won’t last that long.
No matter where you go and what you do, you allways come back to the old trusty Pegasus! :) Side note: At this point I don't even want Peg Turbo, I found something else that does that role for me. But I'll be happy with a Pegasus with a thinner and more breathable upper with everything else the same just because I find the Pegasus upper too warm.
I do love the Pegasus… but I’m focused on seeing if anything can challenge or replace it for me this year. There are definitely some strong contenders out there.
Unknown...there are currently two early protos seen out there than could be the next Invincible (or something else). Both look early stage and not 2024 ready. I can't see Nike NOT releasing an I4 in 2024, even if it's just an upper update.
I also have the Pegasus 40 - and it really feels more responsive than my Vomero 17. Don't get me wrong, the Vomero really feels comfortable and I don't feel any pain like you do using them. But with the Vomero 17, my feet seems to sink first before it springs back up.
I have come to really love LSP, especially for training… I still prefer ZoomX for racing… but we shall see what happens in 2024. I’m running in nearly all LSP shoes at the moment and cannot wait to see what Adidas actually releases later this year. 😎
Everyone’s foot is different. However, one of my goals this year is to see if I can find a daily shoe that matches or beats the Pegasus for usability, feel and versatility.
I didn't care for it as a walking/casual shoe. The ZoomX foam is too soft, especially the giant chunk in the heel, it felt like it had a negative drop. It also wasn't very stable for me.
Everyone's foot is different, but for mine, the Vomero 17 is a faaaaar superior shoe to the Pegasus 40. I just reached 400K in them, and no issues at all
We shall see. As I said I have concerns after going over all the photos of the Peg 41 that are out there. I need more info from Nike before I really worry though. It could be great… but can be very bad too… we shall see.
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Just reached my 100mile. So far no issues. Glad the shoes fit my running style. I prefer the vomero 17 than my pegasus 40.
I’m glad to hear they are working for you. As I said in this video there were very solid… until they weren’t.
They are retired from running and on casual duty as of now for me.
Thank you. Glad its a good fit for me after the big disappointment with the invincible.
@@joelramos3635 what issue you had with invincible?
@althurules its too unstable for me. The invincible feels very soft but my ankles feel a lot of discomfort mid run.
@@joelramos3635 Inalso got ankle discomfort from the I3, much different though than my issue with the V17.
The issue in the I3 is the heel clip design Nike uses. I had the same issue with the Infinity 1-3 and Invincible 1-3… that heel clip is doing something to limit some type of movement than my foot/ankle naturally does and that causes some soreness and eventual pain if I ran in any of those shoes too much.
Nice detailed review!
Thank you. Thank you. 🙏🏻
Thank you for this video. I had to stop during my run this morning to try to alleviate sudden pain in the same exact area you experienced. I thought perhaps the tongue slid to the outside too much, but your explanation makes more sense. I was on a cambered road and just hit 70 miles on this pair. Will proceed with caution now. Thanks again.
That’s exactly where I first started to notice the issue, a cambered road. It’s a bummer because the shoe was very enjoyable up to that point. Definitely proceed with caution and keep an eye on that sidewall.
Wow, what a difference in experience. I very much prefer the Vomero 17 over the Pegasus 40. Much nicer ride, more cushioning, and it was consistently so for me. I completed nearly 400miles in them, including several half marathons and a full marathon, and recently bought a new pair which I’m running in now.
I'm glad they work for you. They were enjoyable to run in for slow easy running, until this issue.
Comprehensive review, as always.
This one was disappointing… but it happens sometimes.
@SagasuRunning TBH, I'm not a Nike fan. But I enjoy your reviews.
@@MyFatAdaptedLife There is plenty of non-Nike content coming this year… stay tuned.
@@SagasuRunning staying tuned :-)
I have this issue now with my PEG40 after about a year of daily trainning running and overall daily use. I was about to get a vomero 17 but thanks to this video (thanks) I'm waiting for the peg41...
The Peg41 resolves this issue. They changed the midsole sidewall in the lateral midfoot to structure it much more. This can't happen there now.
I went through this video a few weeks ago when it was first uploaded but wasn’t paying to close of an attention to it. I came back to watch it again as I just came back from a trip to HK and was walking whole days on the Vomero 17. Also went out for 2 training runs in the morning on the trip on them. After first 2 days I felt that my right calf was so tight that I can feel a bit of irritation. My left foot muscles and/or ligaments have gotten pretty tight as well. I didn’t have these experiences when I was doing all the walking on the Pegasus 40 and the Invincible 3s. I am not sure if the stability combined with the softness of the Zoom X on this platform has something to do with the conditions. I was average about 20k steps a day on the trip but never had I have some issues even on stiffer midsoles like On Cloud shoes.
Interesting. When I retired this shoe from running I tried it as a casual daily wear shoe. After the first time I went out in it on some errands I completely retired it to the donation box. I as getting the same pain on the top of my foot and ankle as I got from running.
@@SagasuRunning Thanks for sharing. I am thinking the issues I am having come from the walking part of the days rather than running. Running along the hard concrete/tile surface of Avenue of Stars certainly didn’t help with the already tired leg muscles. The shoes might feel soft and I am having this theory where the softness + the strange platform made my foot and calf muscles having to work more even though it is just walking. I didn’t have these problem on harder midsoles such as On Cloud and Pegasus 40. I am guessing that I didn’t have that much of an issue with Invincible 3 was because the shoe’s platform is actually pretty wide. In fact, I was in them when I traveled to Taiwan for my race at Taroko and they treated my tired legs pretty well afterward.
@@willwu1688 I agree with your analysis… especially on the point the the Invincible 3 platform is so wide.
When can we expect your review on the boston 12?
Nice Video
The next two videos on this channel will be my Boston 12 review… it’s a big one. 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunning thanks, for your anser 👍. Looking Forward to the videos
@@SagasuRunning ooh that will be interesting. Best shoe ever for some which always makes me wonder if they have ever used anything else :)
@@TimGrose haha… I’m enjoying them… but they are not all that (there are a few “buts”). I’ll explain… it will be a two parter. Context first then the review….
@@SagasuRunning i Just ordert my pair yesterday, maybe i should have waited a week for your review. If the Video isnt filmed yet can you Talk about how they compare to the Magic Speed 3 in Therms of Intervall Sessions or maybe even do a Video about that. Would be nice to hear your Opinion on that comparison. Hope you have a good day
Great review & nice video!! Another YTR who is a chinese, he suggests heel striker buy the shoes. He is also the forefoot striker, so he doesn't like the shoes.
I would agree. These shoes definitely suit heel strikers best. Overwhelmingly so.
Thank you for the kind words. 🤙🏻
the 18th comes out this month. hope nike's smart enough to make the upper more minimal and breathable for this years edition. if so, then this shoe would be great as heck
I haven’t seen anything about a V18 release this month (besides that one website everyone refers too which is always wrong). Nor do I know anyone who works in retail who sees a V18 or VP in their inventory systems. Nor has Nike issued a press release on them. So I wouldn’t expect it until spring 2025.
From waht we have seen from the leaks the upper on the V18 looks similar to the V17 (which wasn’t bad) and the VP looks considerably softer and more open than the I3, which many will appreciate.
@ dang
I mainly run in very humid 30-34c temps and never once have thought to myself “this shoe is too warm”. Your shoes are going to fill with sweat regardless in 5-8k, no matter what.
Though uppers that and breathable and drain well… that’s a good thing.
@@SagasuRunning so the actual problem I remembered with this shoe is that the tongue is way too thick. That needs to be improved & a single layer mesh would be superb
@@Animejook Ha, we have nearly opposite taste in shoe fit. I thought the tongue on the V17 was one of the best parts of the upper. It really helped the overall fit. I detest stretchy and thing tongues on shoes.
The Peg41 has a good much. The lower part of the tongue is I thin(ner) engineered mesh and the upper part is padded. Great lockdown all around.
I do know what you mean when the tongue is too spongy of a material and hair absorbs sweat. Those types are much more uncommon now. It is a fine line though.
I think the midsole shaping of the Pegasus and the overall fit is much better (especially in the 39 > 40), but the ZoomX foam in the Vomero 17 feels so much nicer. That being said, I have about 300 miles in my Vomeros, and it has a lot of problems. It runs long while also being narrow, the upper is really thick and especially the tongue is WAY too plush, and the decoupled-ish groove in the back is too wide while the overall heel width of the shoe is still narrow. I think the Invincible 3 is honestly a much better shoe and promotes better biomechanics. It’s bouncier, more durable, and the sizing is spot on. The only problem with that shoe is the heel lockdown, but it goes away once the zoomx breaks in a bit and the heel foam starts conforming to your foot.
Nike honestly needs to give us two trainers. A Pegasus with engineered mesh (not knit 😤) with a foam that’s maybe a bit softer and bouncier, kind of like the ride, priced around $130-140; and an Invincible with good heel lockdown and maybe a little bit less weight if possible (even though the shoe does not feel heavy at all - and for how wide the foam is, the weight is actually not that bad to begin with because the energy return is so insane). $180 is honestly pretty steep, but it’s also such a good shoe. Especially if the Pegasus becomes a bit more protective and is $40-50 cheaper, then the jump to the invincible is more down to personal preference as opposed to necessity (think Novablast > Superblast, or Cloudsurfer > Cloudeclipse). The Vomero feels redundant in the lineup rn. They should just focus their efforts on making a better ZoomFly to compete with the Endorphin Speed.
That’s it. Come in Nike!
The Nike Pegasus 41 looks to be considerably softer with ReactX foam… but I do have concerns on they. Hopefully they don’t come to fruition.
The next Invincible also seems to be a big change and step forward for the shoe.
I actually find the Vomero 17 more natural to run in over the Invincible… they doesn’t make the Invincible bad but I can be a handful.
I agree though that Nike needs to evolve their trainers a little bits simplify and streamline most of them. There is a lot of bloat out there right now.
Wish I had watched this before I purchased. Bought these and had the same experience, first run. I had to loosen the laces up a ton and still had pain. The tongue comes up really high and is so thick. And then I think the softness of the outsole makes your ankle work harder to stay stable. I had this same experience with the Invincible. Pretty done with higher stack zoom x.
ZoomX is a soft foam which inherently has low stability. That does require strong ankles and can catch you off guard if you aren’t prepared for it.
@@SagasuRunning that makes sense. I run 95% on trail and use the Kiger 9 which is pretty minimal. I rock climb so my ankles are fairly strong but not in the way that the softer foam feels. Definitely going back to lower drop and stack. Such a bummer because the cushiness definitely feels good when you put it on.
@@johnalvino3977 Ya then you should be totally fine in these. Better than fine.
I bought my Vomeros a month ago and I've run approx 200km in them. The plan was that they are my daily trainers for the winter. I've had the Pegasus 38, 39 and 40. I wanted something softer. In the beginning, with the Vomeros, I had slight pain on the soles of my feet always during the first kilometres of a run. Then that stopped happening. I guess my feet adjusted. And I did always feel that the Vomeros ever so slightly tried to push my feet to turn outward as you described. My right foot did not give in so to say. Rather the shoe adjusted to my foot. My right shoe feels now perfect! I would really like to have my left foot land so I could feel the weight under my big toe. But it feels as if the left shoe guides my foot to turn outward. And after a 20km easy run yesterday, i feel slight pain on the ankle at the same spots you were showing on the video. I've liked to run in the Vomeros (vs Pegasus 40). But if my ankle says otherwise, i will have to search for alternatives..
@ArttuJuselius Ya… I think this problem is very specific to one certain foot strikes. The untrained some foam over a firmer foam with lack of support under it can be a problem for sure. Good news is that the V18 looks to be a totally different design and doesn’t carry this midsole detail forward.
Let me wait for a price slash for my casual wear. Thanks for the informative video.
These are on casual wear duty now for me… unless I get the same stability issues in the forefoot (which I shouldn’t walking) then they go to the donation box.
I suspect these shoes are highly sensitive to foot length. The smaller foot being the one abused by the zoomx enlargement transition area. Best method to bring my smaller foot forward 2mm? (Just measured my feet length and there the variance between my left and right is 8mm😢)
Interestingly while I’m right side dominant my left foot is also about 6mm longer than my right and a bit higher volume. So fit for me is usually better on my left foot. The difference is minor enough that I don’t really worry about it or that it really causes problems for me.
If you want to make up the difference you’d need to explore the use of orthotics.
Sounds like you might be having an issue with your Peroneal Tendon. As someone who supinates a bit, I did have the same issue with this shoe at first. Messing with the lockdown and changing out for better socks seemed to fix the issue for me but I know everyone is different. The Vomero’s (and the NB 1080v13’s) are still my favorite shoe for easy runs but I think the Pegasus are really the more of a one size fits all.
Possibly… but only this shoe and this design flaw gave me issue. I didn’t like the shoe enough to troubleshoot it either. I have plenty of better options to run in. Plus I prefer the Peg in all ways…
This is excellent analysis with a clear rationale for causation. Incredible that the worlds largest trainer manufacturer overlooked this in 2023… how can the same company responsible for the Alpha Fly create such error strewn (the insertion of Zoom X in that design) or thoughtless creations in everyday categories. I hope Nike listen…
What are your thoughts on Nike as an overall run trainer brand. They have their super shoes covered but where is the coherence beneath that…
Invincible >Vomero>Pegasus>StreakFly this doesn’t seem convincing against Saucony, ASICS, Puma or Adidas.
I personally don’t think it’s and oversight. It’s far too large. My guess is they angling in the rail in that area of the shoe is there to soften initial impact on strike in some form (same reason it’s on the Pegasus). I can’t believe it didn’t come up in testing though… unless all the testers were only heel strikers?
As for Nike’s trainers… it’s a bit iffy at the moment. The Peg > Vaporfly combo (with a Streakfly thrown in there) is outstanding. However there are a lot of other trainers > racer lines now that are overall more built out or versatile.
In 2024 a Peg > Turbo > VF3 > AF3 combo is going to be outstanding… but I can say that about a few other brands now…
This is going to be a video later in the year I think.
@@SagasuRunning excellent response - thanks!
Thanks for your valuable & fairness experience sharing on Vomero 17 and I agree to bypass this version and will see what’s next in the 18 later this year. Will you plan to test Saucony Endorphin Speed 4 in near future ?
I’m currently planning on eventually getting to the Speed 4, but it might not be until the summer or fall as Saucony shoes are almost non-existent here in Taiwan. I’m keeping an eye out for them though…
I was going to get the Vomero 17 but the ZoomX concerned me a bit because I know it softens up quite a bit. So I stayed away from it. I definitely prefer the Peg 39/40 . I know it is the old React foam but it is more stable and firmer. Definitely more versatile. If I was to run in the Vomero it would be very easy running… recovery runs. 😅
For recovery runs there are FAR better options out there. The V17 does easy running well though… as long as you aren’t a forefoot striker 😂
I’m going to miss React foam. It seems Nike has replaced it nearly completely in 2024 with ReactX… which feels very different. Hopefully not every ReactX shoe will feel as bad as the Infinity RN4 did… 🤞🏻
Yeah I agree. The ReactX foam is a different beast entirely. I have the Infinity Run 4. I actually like the foam for WALKING. 😂 I use it for walking in the hospital. But man you feel the weight of that shoe. However I am excited for it on the Pegasus 41 as long as it doesn’t make it too heavy. It is a much bouncier foam. It reminds of the FF Blast+ but much denser.
@@Ben-yw8be Yup, the IRN4 was a good fitness/walking shoe that you can jog in once in a while...but not a running shoe.
ReactX and FFBlast+ are very similar, even though they are TPU vs EVA...similar properties. I hope Nike tunes ReactX in the Peg41 to be former than the IRN4. Otherwise the dual airbags are going to be an issue and the shoe will just be a squishy mess.
I think I am having the same problem with the cumulus 24 with the ankle pain. I have the Peg 39 and it seems better in that shoe but I need more cushion than what peg has to offer. I just got the Cumulus 25 and that is better.
how is the midsole of Cumulus 25 compared to Peg 39?
They are both a single block of foam, FFBlast+ vs React… though the C25 has the gel in the heel (which is minimal). The C25 will be much softer than the P40. Also the C25 has a bit more foam in it.
I didn’t run in the C25 but will be covering the C26 when it’s available.
The C25 is a better shoe over the C24… hopefully it solves your issues.
The Vomero 17 comes in extra wides which should fix this problem?
Unless you need an extra wide shoe (I don’t) the fit will be too loose and sloppy and create other problems.
Thanks for the review. I ended up with the Pegasus over the Vomero. To me, the Vomero just wasn’t as comfortable
It’s the better choice anyway. Happy running! 🤙🏻
Vomero 16s did the same thing to me. Irritated the top of the ankle and translated into a sore lower knee. Novablast4 immediately calmed the legs and no looking back.
The V16 was such an odd shoe as well. The NB4 is a better shoe than either. So good choice.
Honestly, It depends on what kind of runner you are! If you are just a neutral runner, the Vomero's will support you, but if you are heavy, I would say don't go for the Vomero's, the unstable foam is not great for heavy runners. If you are lighter (like you seem) of course the Pegs are better for you! Keep running :)
I'm not that light, for a runner. I'm around 75kg/165lbs...but yes, the Vomero suits a lighter runner due to how the two densities of foams work together, especially once ZoomX starts to wear in.
Great video I have exactly the same problems as yourself! Shocking really when I invested all my hard earned money to buy something that would help me compete at the marathon. I have been in agony for weeks and the company I bought them from were not helpful at all. It’s incredibly difficult to get in touch with Nike. How convenient! 🤷♂️
Nike does have a good returns policy and contacting them via their app is rather easy. But if you bought through a 3rd party you need to go to them.
It’s unfortunate the shoe has this issue as it was decent until then.
so i got this shoe too, and i also have a problem with it.
the outside of my right foot becomes sore/exhausted after like 2/3k. but not at the ankle, more in the middle or front. also spreads a bit under the foot. the soreness doesn't go away until i stop completely. even walking doesn't relieve the condition.
i also had that problem with the peg41. so i am not sure what causes this.. do you have any ideas?
Until you said you had the same problem with the Peg 41 I was thinking it was similar to what I talked about in this video. However, now I don't know, as the Peg 41 doesn't have any real instability there. The only thing that I can think of and where I'd start trouble shooting is width. Sounds like something is getting pinched somewhere.
I did not buy the Vomero 17, but instead I got the Structure 25 that works marvelous well for me and the Air zoom bubble is more tuned for cushioning them it is for energy return that we can notice that tuning in the Pegasus 40 . Another Nike shoes that I got last year that, for me ,is also better heel to toe transition is the Infinity Run 4.
I liked my Invincible 3 a lot, and I did not have any heel lockdown or whatever problems. But I do prefer either my Nike Structure 25 or the Infinity 4 over the Invincible 3, which is a faster high cushioning shoes.
I don’t need a stability shoe which is why I won’t touch the Structure… and I really didn’t get on the the Infinity RN4 (I have a long video as to why).
But that doesn’t matter, I’m just one voice, it’s great you found some models that works for you and aid your running. That is the way to do it! 💪🏻
Umm not good. I wore mine again the other day for a "plod" quite enjoyed them for that but mine are more like at 50 miles not 100. Will have to observe what's going on there for me. Vomero 17 takes my record at 15g by having the biggest weight difference between the two shoes. TBF can't notice it on foot but could "sort of" have a similar effect if one is slightly dragging over the other. In hindsight is that a sort of thing you could question and ask to be swopped at. Another 2 layer midsole shoe I had was the Puma Velocity Nitro 2 which I also retired at 100 miles as felt the foam(s) had just gone "flat". Others seemed to use them way longer so sometimes maybe we just have a bad luck with a certain shoe.
I’m looking forward to trying the Velocity Nitro 3… whenever it shows up here in Taiwan. But it’s a brand new brand to me so I have zero expectations.
My V17s were about 7g weight difference.
I had something like that with the original Velocity Nitro right at 500km where the nitro foam suddenly degraded past some threshold and I was getting foot pain. But 500km is not really a durability problem. I was put off by how sudden and unpleasant the change was, though.
@brianreiter5572 I had similar with FFBlast+ at much shorter distances. Not a good feeling.
Yeah, Vomero 17 feels really unstable on the outside of my feet and after long runs I definitely feel soreness right in the region which you highlight in the video. It tends to roll outwards really easy.
I also can't get a good lockdown on first try with that bulky plush tongue which might contribute to the problem.
No such issues with the Pegasus. Put it on and forget about it.
It’s unfortunate about the Vomero 17. It was a great shoe… until it wasn’t. Agree on the Peg… it’s always put it on and forget about it.
I have this problem with the zoom fly 5... it buldges so insanely heavy into the midfoot part of the shoe, only on the medial site on my left foot, that I'm worried that it is actually affecting my runningform a lot. Since the enture structure of the shoe starts to lean into those buldges...
And that after around 80km. Not sure if I should keep using it or trashing it as a bad purchase.
The ZF5 is a bit of a brick… too heavy… to wide… too dead… there is no Zoom or fly left in the shoe or series…
I’d chalk it up as a learning experience and look to greener pastures. There are so many good shoes out there… no reason to run in a dud.
@@SagasuRunning Yeeee... that is actually the worst part of it, I read the reviews and that it is actually a daily trainer/easy pace shoe, so I wanted to use it for that, but for easy pace the foam seems to have way too less structure... I should have gone with the invincible 3.
I hope the Invincible 4 gets released soon, will be my next nike.
@Chungdol Odd, the ZF5 is nearly the opposite from that purpose. The Invincible is a much better choice. I haven’t heard any dates around an I4… though there are leaked photos out there of two shoes that look very Invincible. I would expect one this year though.
I get ankle pain in the Vomero 17 too 😢
The instability ones the foams soften up is a problem. Poor design choices here from Nike.
Which means, can I use this shoe for my medium over pronation technically sir?
It should work better for you than me. The medial (inside) side is much more built up to support the foot.
Vomero 17 or Skechers road max 6 for better cushioning?
No clue… I’ve never run in a Skechers and don’t follow the brand at all. Sorry…
I had the same problem you're describing but with the Pegasus. I have a feeling it has something to do with that epic react foam.
Interesting. The instability from the rail in the forefoot could cause you to really roll over laterally on foot strike… but you’d need to really over-supinate to make that happen. Be careful out there.
Just got some invincible 3s on clearance for recovery days and surprised how firm they are. Does that formula of Zoom X soften after 75mi?
In the I3… not really. The formula of ZoomX used there seems a bit firmer than what is used in the VF/AF. Plus the strobel board under the insole makes the shoe overall stiffer.
The I3 never really becomes “squishy” but it does break in and flex with your foot better, which messes it feel less clunky over time.
Im new to running and looking for a good everyday running shoe (Neutral )
Nike Pegasus 40 and the Adidas Adizero SL would be my top two recommendations at the moment. There are others out there but I think those are the best options. Keep in mind new models are about to release for both over the coming months.
Sold my Peg 40 and got an Invincible 3 with huge discount. So far loving the Invincible 3 as it’s much softer than Peg for long slow distance.
I enjoyed the I3 initially but after about 150miles it just got too squishy and all of the the place. Plus I don’t like the heel clip design Nike was using on the shoe (and old Infinity 1-3)…
@@SagasuRunning While I like the Invincible 3, I do hope for 4 (if we get one), they go back to more of the 1/2. Don't really love the heel clip and all of the extra stability mechanisms they put in the shoe, but I guess that's a critique I have over a lot of shoes recently
@@michaelcaricoo From what I have seen the next Invincible looks even MORE Invincible. More foam/stack. More rocker. Really turning the volume up to 11 on it.
There is a second shoe spotted that looks to be Nike’s answer to the Prime X… but bigger.
It’s unclear if they are the same shoe or different models. But both look bonkers.
I love my invincible 3
@@SagasuRunning Saw the Nike Prime X which looks exciting, hadn't seen the Invincible 4. Regardless I'm glad Nike is testing a lot of designs to "catch up" (for lack of a better term right now) to the rest of the industry for what they're putting out
💯 thank you, this is the issue!! and the fix is a cheap supination insole! Zoomx invincible cause me a bit of supination on the forefoot, for the same reason. i have Valgus knee (my feet are a bit rotated inward). the combination of both = stress/strech of the outside part of the knee = Iliotibial band syndrome (ITBS). And i was running too much (14 km every 2 days, 15 times per month) because zoomx is too good!!!
I'm glad you found a solve for this. Yes, the Invincible would do the same thing, but for a different reason. The edges of the Invincible 3 outsole are rounded, which makes rolling outward even easier on initial strike with supinating.
That’s a big problem with most brands, they pay less attention to supinators or under pronators.
This was such an odd design choice or something ignored in user testing. It MUST have come up in user testing…
I don't consider the vermero as a daily trainer cos there's not enough cushion in the forefoot compared to the heel. It's ok for casual wear but definetly not recommended for daily runs even for shot distance. Just bought the gel nimbus 25 for a kiiler price at the asics clearence sale & I'm loving every bit of it. Extremely comfortable & there's plenty of support & cushion at the forefoot & heel. It's the type of shoe that will make u run even when u don't feel like it😂😂😂
Highly recommended.
You do know that the Vomero is Nike’s high cushion line for high volume (long) running with a plush step I feel. Not event shoe needs to be 30mm in the forefoot. I consider, as do most, the Vomero to be an extremely cushioned shoe, though I do agree there is an emphasis on the heel cushion. And that heel emphasis is why I disagree that is is a good casual shoe… you sink on far too much into the foam and almost have a negative drop feel… very awkward to walk in.
The Nimbus, at best, is an easy day shoe but it’s mainly meant as also a high cushioned shoe. Similar to the Vomero. I do d the Nimbus too heavy, bulky and mushy for anything more than a recovery run… even then the Novablast 4 is a better shoe for that.
Yes, but her foot strike and running gate matter more. If she is landing on her forefoot, on the outside of her foot she may run into issues well before if she is a heel striker who pronates, which if that is the case she likely will have no issues at all.
I got about 90mins, or a few months, out of these before the problems arose once the foams started to break in.
I’ve been dealing with the exact pain for 10 years now that you’re dealing with in the Vomero 17. I don’t run anymore unfortunately due to peroneal and extensor tendonitis in both feet and I’m wondering if using the Vomero 17 as an everyday work shoe/walking shoe if I’ll experience the same problems down the road? I noticed today the lack of stability on the left side of the forefoot wearing the Vomero 17 for the second time and it has me thinking about returning my Vomero’s to the Nike store and getting the Nimbus 25’s instead which feel similar but have more stability.
Since I already have peroroneal tendonitis issues do you think I’ll have issues with my peroneal tendon hurting the more I use this shoe as an everyday work shoe/walking shoe? Should I get the ASICS Nimbus 25 instead?
I can’t diagnose anything, I’m far from qualified. However, the Nimbus 25/26 is a much more stable shoe than the V17. If you are already feeling issues in the V17, they are only going to get worst over time.
@@SagasuRunning Thabkfully I don’t have any issues with Vomero 17. No pain worth so ever, unlike with the infinityrn which gave me issues. I had just noticed the lack of stability in the forefoot and the roll on the left peroneal side that you were talking about. Thankfully I can still return them which I’m thinking about doing
I am looking for a comfortable walking shoe that helps with pronation. Love the look and feel of the V17 when testing in store, but I'm not sure how stable it will be. Any advice?
While it’s not that stable in my opinion. For pronation it’s actually pretty good. Lots of medial structure in the shoe.
ZoomX does break down quickly. It’s a performance running for. Not really intended for walking. It will work but won’t last that long.
@SagasuRunning Thanks for the fast response. Would the V17 have more medial support than a Peg41? Which would you prefer for probation support?
No matter where you go and what you do, you allways come back to the old trusty Pegasus! :)
Side note: At this point I don't even want Peg Turbo, I found something else that does that role for me. But I'll be happy with a Pegasus with a thinner and more breathable upper with everything else the same just because I find the Pegasus upper too warm.
I do love the Pegasus… but I’m focused on seeing if anything can challenge or replace it for me this year. There are definitely some strong contenders out there.
Спасибо за обзор. Хотел купить Vomero 17 не буду.Купил Zoom Fly 5🔥
Удачи с ZF5... это не самая лучшая обувь.
When is the Invincible 4 coming out?
Unknown...there are currently two early protos seen out there than could be the next Invincible (or something else). Both look early stage and not 2024 ready. I can't see Nike NOT releasing an I4 in 2024, even if it's just an upper update.
So you think the I4 is coming out in 2025? Thanks@@SagasuRunning
@@bluemagic5829 I really have no idea… but from the protos I’ve seen out there it looks early still. 🤷🏼♂️
Vomero 17 I find a great shoe. Can happen, most people getting injury on inside lower leg with the new Pegasus 40.
It was until it wasn’t. There is a design flex here with how the materials work in the midsole though…
I overpronate. Is it good for me?
Honestly, yes. The shoe seems to be built for over-pronators… you should do ok with them, though this still is a neutral shoe.
I also have the Pegasus 40 - and it really feels more responsive than my Vomero 17. Don't get me wrong, the Vomero really feels comfortable and I don't feel any pain like you do using them. But with the Vomero 17, my feet seems to sink first before it springs back up.
That’s ZoomX…. The balance of the two foams and midsole engineering is off in the V17. I hope they fix it for the V18.
After many miles in them, I've decided they are better than invincible 3 for me.
Trial and error is what it takes. Hopefully they work for you well! 🤙🏻
Peg is a super daily trainer!!
It really is!
I prefer Lightstrike Pro to ZoomX
I have come to really love LSP, especially for training… I still prefer ZoomX for racing… but we shall see what happens in 2024. I’m running in nearly all LSP shoes at the moment and cannot wait to see what Adidas actually releases later this year. 😎
Wild that you've logged that many miles in Peg 39's and 40's. I would feel as if I'm needlessly punishing myself to use those for marathon training.
Is Peg40 that bad?
There are just so many better options for a daily trainer these days that I couldn't imagine using a Pegasus.
The Peg > VF combo is absolute perfection. It’s hard NOT to log miles in them.
Nope…
Everyone’s foot is different. However, one of my goals this year is to see if I can find a daily shoe that matches or beats the Pegasus for usability, feel and versatility.
Vomero 17 is great for walking :)
I didn't care for it as a walking/casual shoe. The ZoomX foam is too soft, especially the giant chunk in the heel, it felt like it had a negative drop. It also wasn't very stable for me.
Everyone's foot is different, but for mine, the Vomero 17 is a faaaaar superior shoe to the Pegasus 40. I just reached 400K in them, and no issues at all
I'm glad they worked out for you. It was a decent shoe, until it wasn't, for me.
Got one, and its my fav shoe soo far, hope i dont have the same problems, i'm pronated, soo should be fine
Ya, you should be good. The V17 has a ton of support for you. Enjoy it!
peg 41 better be good, the 40 was trash
We shall see. As I said I have concerns after going over all the photos of the Peg 41 that are out there. I need more info from Nike before I really worry though. It could be great… but can be very bad too… we shall see.