@paulcargill Thank you for watching. One more to go… then onto some other shoes. This is the shoe that has had the most “vs” videos of any on the channel. That tells you how versatile it is.
I wear size 44 2/3 in both the Adios 8 and Boston 12. I quite like the fit of the Adios 8, but I find I need to tighten the laces a bit too much with the Boston 12. I wear size 44.5 in the Vaporfly 3, Pegasus 41, and Pegasus Plus. The Vaporfly 3 feels great, whereas the Pegasus 41 is very tight and puffy in the toe box. The Pegasus Plus fits somewhat okay, but I still have to tighten the laces more than I’d like, with plenty of room in the toe box. I’d appreciate your opinion on sizing for both the Evo SL and Adios Pro 4. Thank you so much! 🙏
In the AP4, likely you should start with the same size as the the Adios 8, though pay attention to your toes. In the ESL... it's hard to say. I'd also suggest starting with the same size as th AP4, but trying .5 size down, making sure your toes have enough length. All the Nike shoes you have are all longer than either Adidas. The upepr toebox volume fit of the ESL is most close to the Vaporfly 3, though the VF3 fits better over all. Thank you for the donation. I appreciate the support. 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunning Much appreciated! Just to add, the Takumi Sen 10 in 44 2/3 fits so snugly that I wouldn’t even dare go for a run in them-would that change your response?
Just to add some comments on the sizing because I have tried all the shoes you mentioned (some I have, some I tried on a treadmill at store) My sizing : US12 for all nike (peg 41, VF, ZF6) US 11,5 for adios 8, Pro 3, Evo SL, Pro4 US11 for boston 12 I like around a thumb width from the front end of my shoes to my longest toe. Below is my comment on sizing for your reference Peg 41 as a reference. US12 is spot on, I even felt this shoe dissapear on my feet after 8-9km of running. My toe def hit the toebox if I went with 11,5 Adios 8 with US11,5 and boston 12 with US11 fit the best for me with thinner sock. I tried Adios 8 with US12 and it was too long. Evo SL : I felt like racing fit with half size down than peg 41 (US 11,5). Need to wear thinner sock. Pro 4 : US11,5 with thinner sock was the best fit for me
You've nailed my thoughts on rockered shoes, that they control how you run and feel best while midfoot striking. It's like the shoe is falling away before I get to the toe-off and the lever effect from the big toe is missing.
I was choosing between these two shoes. I live in Australia. The biggest problem with Nike is their pricing. All of their shoes are jumping up in price compared to their competitors. What makes it even worse is that Adidas have sales and vouchers that you can useD nearly all the time, which makes the price gap even larger. I just picked up the Evo SL for $113USD, while the Pegasus Plus is $164USD. Also, they’ve just released the new all black Alphafly and it’s a whopping $252USD!!!! Like WTF P.s Great review as always
Price is never a thing I look at with running shoes but I know the ESL represents amazing value for most...and yes those deals Adidas often (always?) has on things make it even better. Enjoy the ESL though... You really can't go wrong with either of these.
It really is. Especially for simple and direct shoes like this. Tell here "I told her so"...that should help... always helps with my wife. Remember to duck though... 🤣
Finally the video i waited for Thank you I really agree with you about the peg plus you are really in control of it, unlike the zoom fly 6 that makes you go faster Dont have thr evo sl yet
I'm glad I could deliver! There is a place for both types of shoe in a rotation and out training but I always want my "default" to be a shoe I control.... so that when I'm in the propulsive shoes (like a super shoe) I REALLY feel it.
- Introduction: Comparison between Adidas Evo SL and Nike Pegasus Plus, highlighting a significant difference that influences preference. - Overview: Both shoes are minimalist performance trainers with simple uppers and the brand's super foam in the midsole, offering a pure experience without stiffening agents. - Specs: - Adidas Evo SL has a higher stack height but this isn't the key difference. - Both shoes feel lower in drop than they are and have similar ride profiles. - Adidas Evo SL is slightly lighter but not noticeably so on foot. - Ride Profiles: - Adidas Evo SL: Springy ride due to Lightstrike Pro Classic foam. - Nike Pegasus Plus: Resilient sync and push-out feel from ZoomX foam. - Key Difference: Geometry - Adidas Evo SL: Rockered modern geometry. - Nike Pegasus Plus: Traditional flatter geometry. - Contact Patch and Outsole: - Similar dimensions but Nike Pegasus Plus has a narrower midfoot. - Difference in widest point location affects ride dynamics. - Uppers: - Both have minimalist, lightweight uppers. - Nike Pegasus Plus: Preferred due to classic Flyknit upper, offering a sock-like fit. - Adidas Evo SL: Textile upper with too much forefoot volume, leading to a baggy fit. - Fit and Sizing: - Nike Pegasus Plus: True to size, excellent fit. - Adidas Evo SL: True to size for training fit, half size down for performance fit. - Midsole: - Nike Pegasus Plus: Durable, rubberized ZoomX foam, suitable for training. - Adidas Evo SL: Lightstrike Pro Classic foam, offering a sudden energy return and dynamic ride. - Performance Matrix: - Adidas Evo SL: Best for threshold running, not ideal for easy runs or very fast running. - Nike Pegasus Plus: Versatile, good for easy runs, threshold running, and speed work. - Verdict: - Preference for Nike Pegasus Plus due to traditional geometry and control over pace. - Adidas Evo SL likely to be preferred by most runners for its modern geometry and cushioning. - Both shoes complement each other well in a training rotation. - Conclusion: Both shoes are valuable for different types of runs, and having both can enhance a training rotation.
There we go that’s the one I was waiting for. The NP+ is a remarkable trainers. To my surprise it’s never bottomed for me and somehow it’s got enough resiliency to avoid harshness of some lower stack running shoes. you nailed this one spot on;it’s let you dictate the ride instead of encouraging your run form. The most notable sensation is when you shift gears and change speeds-it feel so fun and natural and bouncy almost like CVT transmission kind of. Overall I do like this new plat-less lower stack super foam direction. Shoes with a wide spectrum of capabilities that can do a variety of training and even races. Edit; the fix of the matrix regarding the easy/steady is also on point👍 The NP+ does easy/steady parts in workouts with no issues for me.
Right? The PP is such a direct shoe but always feels smooth. I love it for that. I have only recently warmed up to the PP as a easy day shoe. I still prefer the Peg41 for that...but can swap the PP now interchangeably. I did change the performance matrix for the PP from the last time it was on the channel, towards easy...but it will never be a shoe I'll recommend as a dedicated easy shoe for anyone.
Great vs video. I own both and have put in ~50kms in the ESL and just over 100kms in the NP+ over the last month. You raise a great point about the prominent rocker in the ESL encouraging you to run in a certain way/tempo. I feel like when I run in the NP+ I have much more control of how I’m running. There’s a bit more of an explosive feeling when you shift through the gears. The NP+ has a nice snap to it and as weird as this might sound, makes it feel like your quads are really engaged and driving you forward. The ESL feels like I can run with 10-15% less effort. It’s definitely got more bounce to it (vs the snap of the NP+) and once you find the sweet spot (for me it’s around 04:45-04:50 p/km) it ticks over really nicely. It’s a shame the NP+ hasn’t been well received. I feel like if Nike could have made it $20-30 cheaper more people would have taken a chance on it. Keep up the great content 👏
On your last point, that's so true. The pricing was too much, and now that the ESL is out now, they cost almost the same, at least where I'm from. They both sound like great shoes and I'm torn between which I'll get but it will also come down to availability. Also wish we got more 'darker' colourways because the light colourways we have are going to be a nightmare for the terrain here.
@ As much as I think the NP+ is great it’s definitely not worth the full retail price. It’s $260 here in Australia which makes it $20 more than the ESL and Novablast 5. $40 more than the Rebel v4, and $80 more than the SL2… yeah, Nike could and should do better here. I happened to get the NP+ for 25% off otherwise I probably wouldn’t have bought them.
@@ronswansonsmoustache3561 I thought we had it bad here, Australia is worse. The NP+ is about $200 here in South Africa, and the ESL is about $180. I really hope Adidas can fix the availability issue for the ESL. But I also feel like the NP+ wasn't well received because it's not getting restocked and is hard to find especially online.
A key talking point here is price. I love that Adidas launched at $150 (vs $180 by Nike). It’s the first time in recent memory that a (big) brand has actually fought the trend of steady MSRP hikes. I hope a lot of consumers vote with their dollars and force the other brands to take notice.
I never consider (or often look at) prices of running shoes. It is a total non factor for me and splitting hairs over $30 USD seems ridiculous. This is one, of multiple, reasons, why I rarely talk about price on this channel BUT! I do know it's a big deal for most. So I let others debate it and make it a thing.
Thank you for another video! I appreciate your opinion on these shoes. One thing though. In your performance matrix, you equal these shoes, but in your summary you argue that they are so different that you can have both in the rotation… it seems to me that the performance matrix shouldn’t be similar.
It's all about the geometry and how to use them. I can do the exact same running/workouts in both shoes (and have), as I pointed out in the end, but now that I have both I can use them in specific area for what they really are optimal for. So days I might want to be in more control of my run (PP) and others I might want the shoe to help me more (ESL)...
The Pegasus Plus has this ground feel that I really like for some reason. A full ZoomX midsole without a plate is so good. I think this could have a comparison video against the Adios 9.
I’ve actually had both shoes. The Evo SL never made it out of my living room. Given my 5’6” frame, I can’t get by the muted proprioception of most shoes these days. I should’ve known better, but I love the adidas foam. Given my rather lengthy history w/ the Swoosh, I knew the last was perfect, and as you said in one video, the “Nike feel” and fit always seem to work for me. I beat the crap out of the Peg Plus - durability was exceptional - then turned them over to my grandson for daily wear, and I’m back to my peg 41 and Hyperion 2. I did give the adios 9 a treadmill shot, but the foam was borderline “sloppy” for me. Instant mid-PF pain; ironically, never had that w/ the v8 or TS 8. Love your take and analyses!
The PP definitely has loads of proprioceptive feedback. I love it especially for hill running due to that. I'm curious about your reaction to the Adios 9. I wonder if it is due to the lack of stability, as it is a proper race flat. I find i much prefer the new LSP in the A9 over the AP4. The Adios 8 and TS8 were both very stiff compared to the A9. Much more structured around the foot, especially mid foot, as well.
On hindsight, you’re correct. I still drag the TS 8 out on occasion, and I loved the adios 8, aside from the infernal slapping of the plastic torsion piece - but they both were very stable for my foot strike - and the foam was durable and a perfect durometer. But the adios 9, actually was like a negative drop for me, and I’m a midfoot striker, totally. Just walking around my foot had excess movement- and on the treadmill, instant midfoot fascia strain - didn’t get one mile in it. (Last time that happened was in the mid80s w/ the Nike Vortex) Strange though, cause the adios 9 does have a midfoot shank of sorts…. Def a conundrum for me. Wonder if the ZF 6 is an option…. Again, great topic and analysis.
The rather extreme heel bevel of the A9 is one criticism I have of the shoe. As a forefoot striker I don’t notice it running. Walking though it can feel like a negative drop, which I pointed out in a review. I can see where a midfoot striker would suffer the same issue now. The ZF6 is very nice on a treadmill (oddly) and quite nice to run in otherwise. Though it’s substantially more shoe than any Adidas we have been discussing here. It doesn’t have more structure than all of them due to the plate though.
Hahaha... I knew someone would say that. I did confirm I'd take the PP is I could only have one...but really both are so good that I would recommend both to anyone who likes this style of minimalist shoe. They really are evenly matched and best in class for the category while rounding each other out perfectly.
Have Both. Evo easily wins. I shreded through the midsole on the Pegasus plus in 150ks. For reference I’ve never done that to any shoes before and usually take my shoes to 500-700ks.
I've had decent durability in the PP. I actually have a pair with 170km on them that I have been trying to get a long term durability video out on (just too many other videos to do more pressing)... though the Peg 41 has better durability for me overall.
My question is on the performance ,graph, ik its your personal metric graph regarding paces, but can you update it with paces for your efforts , so us faster or slower runners have a clearer idea as to how it feels by your standards, so we can make more detailed assessments as well These break downs are the most informative I've come across on RUclips
My paces don't matter. That is why I refer to effort or ranges (threshold or MP). That is what is relative. Your MP and my MP are likely different but they both should be around Threshold effort and we both respectively are putting the same force into the ground at that pace. Same to be said for other paces.
@@SagasuRunning I'm not sure I agree. You put much more effort into the ground at 18km/h than at 13km/h, regardless of whether this is your easy pace or your VO2 max pace. These are absolute.
Great comparison. Nike really should bring down the Pegasus Plus to that $150-160 range. I think this shoe suffers from bad pricing more than anything else. Got over 250 miles in the shoe since it came out and it’s really the perfect do it all (tho it skews to the faster end of the spectrum than the easier end for sure). Not a shoe I want to reach for when I’m beat up, but if I’m feeling good, it’s pretty slay. I actually prefer it over the Zoom Fly 6 for certain workouts. Excited to try the Evo SL when it comes out en masse hopefully.
It really is am overlooked shoe. While I pay not mind to prices of running shoes, I know most do. With the ESL now on the market I do think Nike needs to adjust it.
The measurements show one of the many reasons why I don't bother with Nike shoes anymore. I just can't handle them being so narrow in the midfoot. People say that Adidas has narrow shoes, but they tend to fit me just fine.
I also absolutely love the narrow Nike midfoot. It just works perfectly with my foot shape. I guess different fits just work better for different runners.
I have purchased Pegasus Plus at US$83 in NIKE CNY online sales campaign while I don’t see EVO SL will have any discount in mid period. I ran them first time for 9km easy run and feel my leg tired for few days. So how PP use more my leg muscles than other rocker rolling shoes, like Puma Forever Run Nitro and Novablast 4. I wish the forefoot could have more ZoomX foam in the PP. 😅❤
The PP is a very traditional geometry AND low stack. If the shoes you mentioned are the only ones you have really run it it will be a massive change and you will definitely feel it in your feet and legs until you can built some foot and leg strength. Stick to it as it will make you are stonger runner.
@@SagasuRunningSounds like a P+ vs Adios 9 comparison video 😀 Since all this foot flex / foot strength / natural biomechanics / lower to the ground etc thing you started in me, I am really curious on how the recently ordered Adios 9 feels on foot. Is it useable as a summer sneaker to go to work or to town? To feel my legs and make them work? How about the Brooks Hyperion GTS OG i have here. 18mm stack in the forefoot :) I could also use this for the same reason.
Nice comparison video! I got lucky and found the Evo SL last week, very fun ride indeed. Now for its training companion, would you say the Adios 9 is one of the best options rn? I am looking for a low stack, nimble shoe for speed/fast reps sessions. Thanks always for the knowledge and level of analysis you bring!
The Peg Plus is the best option but if you want to stay all Adidas the Adios 9 covers the same ground. I’ll have some Adidas to rotation content I. A week or two. Stay tuned.
EVO SL is the better shoe for me, soft lightweight and agile the only real downside is that it wants you to go fast😢..i might buy novablast 5 for chill runs to complete my 2 shoe rotation😂
I have been very impressed with my Evo SLs so far and completely agree about the "generous" fit in the forefoot. Not something that I had experienced in an Adidas shoe before. One thing I had noticed is that the material of the insole seems much more slick/slippery when compared to other shoes I own, and I get the sensation of sliding around inside the shoe. I was wondering if you had a similar experience, and whether you think it might be contributing to the sensation of poor lockdown in the forefoot?
Adidas always has to make one shoe a year with an odd fit. It is like they plan it that way. I've not found the outsole on the ESL slippery at all. I've spent quite a bit of time in wet to dry in it too (mix of construction on one of my main routes where they clan the streets hourly with water and rain/mist). No issues at all. Even if I'm intentionally twisting my foot to try to break grip. A poor fit could add to this feeling, but if that poor fit is in the forefoot (like it is in the ESL) it will often become apparent on toe off.
@@SagasuRunning Thanks for the response! I was referring to the insole of the shoe though, i.e. where my sock makes contact with the inside of the shoe. Comparatively, the material of the insole of my Takumi Sen feels much coarser. I agree about the outsole on the ESL though, the continental rubber is excellent.
@@SagasuRunninghe is talking about the INsole of the shoe and sliding around INSIDE the shoe :) That's also a problem I have from time to time and then i experiment with the socks, then blame all the socks because this artificial material is so slippery but good for transport the sweat away. Oldschool wool socks are notslippery but they soak up the sweat. Anyway, if you find a) a better sock for the given shoe + b) lace the shoe better in terms of crank it down from the lowest eyelet until the end, that often helps. If now, try also using the last eyelets or if that is awkward, go for the lace lock method (marathon lacing). If that doesn't help, you may try out another insole. If all together don't work, the shoe just doesn't fit/work for you - sell it!
I have to agree... if I'm not testing something for the channel, it's the shoe I've been reaching for lately and will next month much more. Though I do miss the Peg41 at the moment.
@@SagasuRunningI can sort of guess this one. The Evo SL and Novablast don't really compete with one another, they complement each other. One is a speed trainer that can do easy runs, another is a daily trainer that can also handle speed sessions fairly well. Correct? Hehe.
I got the Nike Peg plus per your recommendation and like it a lot for speed workout, whereas I couldn’t go much speed workout on my Novablast 5. Can you recommend an ASICS shoes that’s similar to the Nike Peg Plus?
There really isn't anything currently in the Asics lineup like the PP. You would need to get into their race flats, like the Hyper Speed 4 or Tarther, but both have very old school foams in them and are nothing like the ride of the PP. There may be some new Asics shoes in later 2025 that could compare...but they are jsut rumors at this point. We need to wait and see.
Honestly, not the best idea. I do think the ESL is valid race shoe, but foe someone faster and more trained (who doesn't respond to plated shoes). What do you run in now? I assume you have run a marathon before? How often do you race?
Honestly…I’d look into the Novablast 5 if I was you. That will likely be a better shoe for what you are doing. Them look into he Superblast 2. Those two shoes will cover all of your needs in training and racing for two marathons next year.
@ yeah that was my thought as well, but i was looking at this two and considering the possibility of moving on from asics. Thank you for your response, love the videos!
Neither. The Zoom Fly 6 is the most close, though still not quite there. I'll have a review of another shoe next week you may want to consider as well. Stay tuned.
Silly comparison. I saw you say that the evo sl was a better version of the Boston than the Boston 12. How would compare the evo to the super nova rise. Two completely different categories. But I’d like to hear that comparison.
Silly comparison? How? They are the same shoe from different brands and approaches. The ESL is what the Boston should have been 2 year ago (or more). I’ll have videos exploring both of these subjects in the coming weeks and months. As far as the SNR2… it’s the idea trainer to pair with the ESL. I’ll have an Adidas rotation guide in the next week or two getting into that.
NB foams have nothing on either ZoomX or LSP… the Rebel v4 is the shoe that is most like this but it’s really not a great shoe (fit, materials, too wide, foam…. All a mess).
@@SagasuRunningThe full peba foam of the Elite v4 is getting closer, but for everything else (Balos, Trainer v3 or Rebel) you’re absolutely right. I like to run in all of them and I still go back to the really soft 1080 v13 for many of my easy runs. I use them as a low stack alternative to max cushion shoes where I just want to get some easy miles done without the need for much energy return.
@ Rv4 has a 80/20 EVA/PEBA blend…. So it’s more EVA than anything. I’ve heard the Rv5 might actually have a full PEBA midsole… if it does (or close to it) I will try it and give it a chance.
I love my Nike Pegasus Plus. I used about 10 pairs of the Pegasus 39 over the last few years. I am currently using my second pair of Boston 12. The Pegasus Plus is the wonderful shoe.
How does training in a higher efficiency foam compare to lower? Is it better to train most of your miles in a non super foam? How do you tailor your shoe, foam, and plate choice towards your training? Long topic but recently I've been switching between Endorphin Speed 4 and Nimbus 26 , but the Nimbus just feels super sluggish so i dont enjoy it as much. However, it makes me worried that I'm using the Endorphin as a crutch while training instead of powering through the softness of the Nimbus. Would it be better to use a Peg or SL2 rather than the Nimbus?
This is actually a complicated answer. It’s rather invoked. I’ll be approaching this topic in a few videos over the coming months from a few different angles. Stay tuned.
@SagasuRunning my comment is in response to your's in the video when you said because the Evo SL has a more pronounced rocker, you had a harder time forcing it to run slower since you tend to have a higher cadence. As a slightly lower cadence runner (low 170s), I'm wondering if the Evo SL might be easier to keep at slower/easier paces? But then you had to go ahead in the video and tell me to buy both ;) which is now very tempting :)
Oh… they I don’t think so. It’s more the ESL is just so aggressive and the rocker constantly tips you forward. Regardless of your cadence you are going to have a hard time keeping the shoe slow. I mean it can be done, but why bother, when there are many other great shoes for slow running out there to pair with the ESL.
Watched this while wearing my Peg Plus, and having had a great 6x1k workout in the EVO SL two days ago. Was missing the analysis on which would be the better shoe to walk around Brooklyn and get flowers/coffee in 😢
@ That wasn’t my point. I am a fan of low stack shoes. I was referring to the fact that Nike have produced a significantly lower stack shoe (which may or may not be an individual’s preference) that somewhat incredibly is actually materially heavier than the EVO SL. By rights the Peg Plus should be a fair bit lighter.
Evo SL doing the online release , pre registration model again . I've clicked to see before I purchase when released, but won't bother now. Sick of Adidas doing this with daily trainers .
I talked about it in one of my Monthly shoe talk videos a few months back. I retire my first pair of Peg 41 and PP after 250mi and 110mi respectively so I could both die a long term review of each shoe and add them to my little running shoe archive. I then got slammed with new shoes and haven’t had a chance to get the long term review done yet. Maybe Feb… we will see. I do like the white PP though. 👌🏻
@SagasuRunning I do remember the 2nd pair of Peg41s but forgot the PPs. Yes must have been October or thereabouts. EDIT: Found it. It was late in the November 2024 video. October was where you mentioned not doing the ZF6 (glad you changed your mind!) and also the recovery properties of ZoomX.
I've never understood how anyone can use the pegasus line as a running shoe. I have Peg 39 and recently purchased the Peg 41, and there is no way on earth I would run in them. I use mine as a gym shoe to do circuit, spin sessions in, etc... Admittedly, I've not worn the Peg plus, but owning the Evo SL I would be willing to bet the SL is the better running shoe 😎
The Peg 41 is the standard I judge all other shoes against and the one I spend, by far, the majority of my time in. Though this year may be different… I’ll still be in Pegasus models for the bulk of my mileage…
Me: Hmm... maybe I'll pick one of these this year.🤔 Sagasu: Why not both?🤙 My wallet: 🥲 So pretty much the same in terms of versatility, they just get there in different ways. As such, it seems the Peg Plus could also pair well with the Adios 9. Am I wrong thinking Adidas and Nike seem to be converging a little?
Actually the Peg Plus and Adios 9 are alternative for basically the same thing. One is a trainer and one is a racer but they cover the same ground. It’s all depends if you want a full Adidas rotation. I do feel like there is some convergence happening. Though Adidas engineering is getting simpler while Nike’s get more involved. They have swapped spots.
Never clicked a video so fast.
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@ these Evo SL videos have been superb. I have got a pair based on what you have said. Really excited to put some miles in them.
@paulcargill Thank you for watching. One more to go… then onto some other shoes. This is the shoe that has had the most “vs” videos of any on the channel. That tells you how versatile it is.
Was actually thinking of making a Video on exactly this topic. But you already said everything haha! Bravo on another very concise comparison:)
I still want to see your edit of your POV...
The more of your videos I watch…the more I appreciate how you articulate the details of the shoes. Concise!!
I try. I get long winded, but its more because I love talking about all these details and granularities.
Just when I thought why not both of them and assign different roles to each based on the rocker and their geometry, you said it for me :)
I mean... they do really even each other out nearly perfectly.
I wear size 44 2/3 in both the Adios 8 and Boston 12. I quite like the fit of the Adios 8, but I find I need to tighten the laces a bit too much with the Boston 12. I wear size 44.5 in the Vaporfly 3, Pegasus 41, and Pegasus Plus. The Vaporfly 3 feels great, whereas the Pegasus 41 is very tight and puffy in the toe box. The Pegasus Plus fits somewhat okay, but I still have to tighten the laces more than I’d like, with plenty of room in the toe box.
I’d appreciate your opinion on sizing for both the Evo SL and Adios Pro 4.
Thank you so much! 🙏
In the AP4, likely you should start with the same size as the the Adios 8, though pay attention to your toes.
In the ESL... it's hard to say. I'd also suggest starting with the same size as th AP4, but trying .5 size down, making sure your toes have enough length.
All the Nike shoes you have are all longer than either Adidas. The upepr toebox volume fit of the ESL is most close to the Vaporfly 3, though the VF3 fits better over all.
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@@SagasuRunning Much appreciated! Just to add, the Takumi Sen 10 in 44 2/3 fits so snugly that I wouldn’t even dare go for a run in them-would that change your response?
@yunusboy The TS10 fits .5 small. I had to go up half a size in that one (I discussed it in my review). So now, doesn’t change my recommendation.
@@SagasuRunninggot it - again, thank you! 🙇♂️
Just to add some comments on the sizing because I have tried all the shoes you mentioned (some I have, some I tried on a treadmill at store)
My sizing :
US12 for all nike (peg 41, VF, ZF6)
US 11,5 for adios 8, Pro 3, Evo SL, Pro4
US11 for boston 12
I like around a thumb width from the front end of my shoes to my longest toe. Below is my comment on sizing for your reference
Peg 41 as a reference. US12 is spot on, I even felt this shoe dissapear on my feet after 8-9km of running. My toe def hit the toebox if I went with 11,5
Adios 8 with US11,5 and boston 12 with US11 fit the best for me with thinner sock. I tried Adios 8 with US12 and it was too long.
Evo SL : I felt like racing fit with half size down than peg 41 (US 11,5). Need to wear thinner sock.
Pro 4 : US11,5 with thinner sock was the best fit for me
You've nailed my thoughts on rockered shoes, that they control how you run and feel best while midfoot striking. It's like the shoe is falling away before I get to the toe-off and the lever effect from the big toe is missing.
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Thanks for the great video!
Thank you for watching! 🤙🏻
I was choosing between these two shoes. I live in Australia. The biggest problem with Nike is their pricing. All of their shoes are jumping up in price compared to their competitors. What makes it even worse is that Adidas have sales and vouchers that you can useD nearly all the time, which makes the price gap even larger. I just picked up the Evo SL for $113USD, while the Pegasus Plus is $164USD.
Also, they’ve just released the new all black Alphafly and it’s a whopping $252USD!!!! Like WTF
P.s Great review as always
Price is never a thing I look at with running shoes but I know the ESL represents amazing value for most...and yes those deals Adidas often (always?) has on things make it even better. Enjoy the ESL though... You really can't go wrong with either of these.
Thanks for this comparison. It's nice to have so good options available!
My wife didn't approve your recommendation to get both though 😅
It really is. Especially for simple and direct shoes like this.
Tell here "I told her so"...that should help... always helps with my wife. Remember to duck though... 🤣
I've been waiting for this video! Love your channel
I hope it delivered. Thank you for watching! 🤙🏻
Finally the video i waited for
Thank you
I really agree with you about the peg plus you are really in control of it, unlike the zoom fly 6 that makes you go faster
Dont have thr evo sl yet
I'm glad I could deliver! There is a place for both types of shoe in a rotation and out training but I always want my "default" to be a shoe I control.... so that when I'm in the propulsive shoes (like a super shoe) I REALLY feel it.
- Introduction: Comparison between Adidas Evo SL and Nike Pegasus Plus, highlighting a significant difference that influences preference.
- Overview: Both shoes are minimalist performance trainers with simple uppers and the brand's super foam in the midsole, offering a pure experience without stiffening agents.
- Specs:
- Adidas Evo SL has a higher stack height but this isn't the key difference.
- Both shoes feel lower in drop than they are and have similar ride profiles.
- Adidas Evo SL is slightly lighter but not noticeably so on foot.
- Ride Profiles:
- Adidas Evo SL: Springy ride due to Lightstrike Pro Classic foam.
- Nike Pegasus Plus: Resilient sync and push-out feel from ZoomX foam.
- Key Difference: Geometry
- Adidas Evo SL: Rockered modern geometry.
- Nike Pegasus Plus: Traditional flatter geometry.
- Contact Patch and Outsole:
- Similar dimensions but Nike Pegasus Plus has a narrower midfoot.
- Difference in widest point location affects ride dynamics.
- Uppers:
- Both have minimalist, lightweight uppers.
- Nike Pegasus Plus: Preferred due to classic Flyknit upper, offering a sock-like fit.
- Adidas Evo SL: Textile upper with too much forefoot volume, leading to a baggy fit.
- Fit and Sizing:
- Nike Pegasus Plus: True to size, excellent fit.
- Adidas Evo SL: True to size for training fit, half size down for performance fit.
- Midsole:
- Nike Pegasus Plus: Durable, rubberized ZoomX foam, suitable for training.
- Adidas Evo SL: Lightstrike Pro Classic foam, offering a sudden energy return and dynamic ride.
- Performance Matrix:
- Adidas Evo SL: Best for threshold running, not ideal for easy runs or very fast running.
- Nike Pegasus Plus: Versatile, good for easy runs, threshold running, and speed work.
- Verdict:
- Preference for Nike Pegasus Plus due to traditional geometry and control over pace.
- Adidas Evo SL likely to be preferred by most runners for its modern geometry and cushioning.
- Both shoes complement each other well in a training rotation.
- Conclusion: Both shoes are valuable for different types of runs, and having both can enhance a training rotation.
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I really need to wear down my Rebel v4 quickly now so I have an excuse to buy the Evo SL :)
Don't worry...given NB's materials...it will do it on it's own. You'll be in the (far better) ESL soon.
There we go that’s the one I was waiting for.
The NP+ is a remarkable trainers.
To my surprise it’s never bottomed for me and somehow it’s got enough resiliency to avoid harshness of some lower stack running shoes.
you nailed this one spot on;it’s let you dictate the ride instead of encouraging your run form.
The most notable sensation is when you shift gears and change speeds-it feel so fun and natural and bouncy almost like CVT transmission kind of.
Overall I do like this new plat-less lower stack super foam direction.
Shoes with a wide spectrum of capabilities that can do a variety of training and even races.
Edit; the fix of the matrix regarding the easy/steady is also on point👍
The NP+ does easy/steady parts in workouts with no issues for me.
Right? The PP is such a direct shoe but always feels smooth. I love it for that.
I have only recently warmed up to the PP as a easy day shoe. I still prefer the Peg41 for that...but can swap the PP now interchangeably. I did change the performance matrix for the PP from the last time it was on the channel, towards easy...but it will never be a shoe I'll recommend as a dedicated easy shoe for anyone.
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Correct I’ll edit the above,I should have wrote doing the easy/steady during fast workouts.
Great vs video. I own both and have put in ~50kms in the ESL and just over 100kms in the NP+ over the last month.
You raise a great point about the prominent rocker in the ESL encouraging you to run in a certain way/tempo.
I feel like when I run in the NP+ I have much more control of how I’m running. There’s a bit more of an explosive feeling when you shift through the gears. The NP+ has a nice snap to it and as weird as this might sound, makes it feel like your quads are really engaged and driving you forward.
The ESL feels like I can run with 10-15% less effort. It’s definitely got more bounce to it (vs the snap of the NP+) and once you find the sweet spot (for me it’s around 04:45-04:50 p/km) it ticks over really nicely.
It’s a shame the NP+ hasn’t been well received. I feel like if Nike could have made it $20-30 cheaper more people would have taken a chance on it.
Keep up the great content 👏
On your last point, that's so true. The pricing was too much, and now that the ESL is out now, they cost almost the same, at least where I'm from.
They both sound like great shoes and I'm torn between which I'll get but it will also come down to availability. Also wish we got more 'darker' colourways because the light colourways we have are going to be a nightmare for the terrain here.
@ As much as I think the NP+ is great it’s definitely not worth the full retail price. It’s $260 here in Australia which makes it $20 more than the ESL and Novablast 5. $40 more than the Rebel v4, and $80 more than the SL2… yeah, Nike could and should do better here.
I happened to get the NP+ for 25% off otherwise I probably wouldn’t have bought them.
@@ronswansonsmoustache3561 I thought we had it bad here, Australia is worse. The NP+ is about $200 here in South Africa, and the ESL is about $180.
I really hope Adidas can fix the availability issue for the ESL. But I also feel like the NP+ wasn't well received because it's not getting restocked and is hard to find especially online.
Ya, the geometry differences are massive. There is a place for both and I like having the option to swap between them now.
There are a bunch of dark PP color ways out there and the all black ESL is seemingly the next one out.
A key talking point here is price. I love that Adidas launched at $150 (vs $180 by Nike). It’s the first time in recent memory that a (big) brand has actually fought the trend of steady MSRP hikes. I hope a lot of consumers vote with their dollars and force the other brands to take notice.
I never consider (or often look at) prices of running shoes. It is a total non factor for me and splitting hairs over $30 USD seems ridiculous. This is one, of multiple, reasons, why I rarely talk about price on this channel
BUT! I do know it's a big deal for most. So I let others debate it and make it a thing.
Thank you for another video! I appreciate your opinion on these shoes. One thing though. In your performance matrix, you equal these shoes, but in your summary you argue that they are so different that you can have both in the rotation… it seems to me that the performance matrix shouldn’t be similar.
It's all about the geometry and how to use them. I can do the exact same running/workouts in both shoes (and have), as I pointed out in the end, but now that I have both I can use them in specific area for what they really are optimal for.
So days I might want to be in more control of my run (PP) and others I might want the shoe to help me more (ESL)...
The Pegasus Plus has this ground feel that I really like for some reason. A full ZoomX midsole without a plate is so good. I think this could have a comparison video against the Adios 9.
Agree on the PP. The PP vs A9 is coming next month. I need more time in the A9. Stay tuned.
I’ve actually had both shoes. The Evo SL never made it out of my living room. Given my 5’6” frame, I can’t get by the muted proprioception of most shoes these days. I should’ve known better, but I love the adidas foam. Given my rather lengthy history w/ the Swoosh, I knew the last was perfect, and as you said in one video, the “Nike feel” and fit always seem to work for me. I beat the crap out of the Peg Plus - durability was exceptional - then turned them over to my grandson for daily wear, and I’m back to my peg 41 and Hyperion 2.
I did give the adios 9 a treadmill shot, but the foam was borderline “sloppy” for me. Instant mid-PF pain; ironically, never had that w/ the v8 or TS 8.
Love your take and analyses!
The PP definitely has loads of proprioceptive feedback. I love it especially for hill running due to that.
I'm curious about your reaction to the Adios 9. I wonder if it is due to the lack of stability, as it is a proper race flat. I find i much prefer the new LSP in the A9 over the AP4.
The Adios 8 and TS8 were both very stiff compared to the A9. Much more structured around the foot, especially mid foot, as well.
On hindsight, you’re correct. I still drag the TS 8 out on occasion, and I loved the adios 8, aside from the infernal slapping of the plastic torsion piece - but they both were very stable for my foot strike - and the foam was durable and a perfect durometer. But the adios 9, actually was like a negative drop for me, and I’m a midfoot striker, totally. Just walking around my foot had excess movement- and on the treadmill, instant midfoot fascia strain - didn’t get one mile in it. (Last time that happened was in the mid80s w/ the Nike Vortex) Strange though, cause the adios 9 does have a midfoot shank of sorts…. Def a conundrum for me. Wonder if the ZF 6 is an option…. Again, great topic and analysis.
The rather extreme heel bevel of the A9 is one criticism I have of the shoe. As a forefoot striker I don’t notice it running. Walking though it can feel like a negative drop, which I pointed out in a review. I can see where a midfoot striker would suffer the same issue now.
The ZF6 is very nice on a treadmill (oddly) and quite nice to run in otherwise. Though it’s substantially more shoe than any Adidas we have been discussing here. It doesn’t have more structure than all of them due to the plate though.
Thank you - another great comparison video. A NB5 vs EVO SL comparison coming soon?
Next video on the channel and the final "vs" for the ESL...then moving onto other shoes and content types.
@SagasuRunning - that's great, and thanks for all your work here. Super clearly presented as always.
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Bravo, once again, for masterfully negotiating around your Nike user bias and throwing it back at the viewer to decide. Great vs., as always.
Hahaha... I knew someone would say that. I did confirm I'd take the PP is I could only have one...but really both are so good that I would recommend both to anyone who likes this style of minimalist shoe. They really are evenly matched and best in class for the category while rounding each other out perfectly.
Have Both. Evo easily wins. I shreded through the midsole on the Pegasus plus in 150ks. For reference I’ve never done that to any shoes before and usually take my shoes to 500-700ks.
I've had decent durability in the PP. I actually have a pair with 170km on them that I have been trying to get a long term durability video out on (just too many other videos to do more pressing)... though the Peg 41 has better durability for me overall.
My question is on the performance ,graph, ik its your personal metric graph regarding paces, but can you update it with paces for your efforts , so us faster or slower runners have a clearer idea as to how it feels by your standards, so we can make more detailed assessments as well
These break downs are the most informative I've come across on RUclips
My paces don't matter. That is why I refer to effort or ranges (threshold or MP). That is what is relative. Your MP and my MP are likely different but they both should be around Threshold effort and we both respectively are putting the same force into the ground at that pace. Same to be said for other paces.
@SagasuRunning ok noted, keep up the great videos
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@@SagasuRunning I'm not sure I agree. You put much more effort into the ground at 18km/h than at 13km/h, regardless of whether this is your easy pace or your VO2 max pace. These are absolute.
Yes, paces are absolute. I agree. Paces also correspond with zones of effort. Just as you pointed out…
Great comparison. Nike really should bring down the Pegasus Plus to that $150-160 range. I think this shoe suffers from bad pricing more than anything else. Got over 250 miles in the shoe since it came out and it’s really the perfect do it all (tho it skews to the faster end of the spectrum than the easier end for sure). Not a shoe I want to reach for when I’m beat up, but if I’m feeling good, it’s pretty slay. I actually prefer it over the Zoom Fly 6 for certain workouts. Excited to try the Evo SL when it comes out en masse hopefully.
It really is am overlooked shoe. While I pay not mind to prices of running shoes, I know most do. With the ESL now on the market I do think Nike needs to adjust it.
The measurements show one of the many reasons why I don't bother with Nike shoes anymore. I just can't handle them being so narrow in the midfoot. People say that Adidas has narrow shoes, but they tend to fit me just fine.
I actually like the narrow midfoots. Works well with my high arch. One of many things that keeps me stuck to Nike…
I also absolutely love the narrow Nike midfoot. It just works perfectly with my foot shape. I guess different fits just work better for different runners.
@ Definitely! I can only get up until 5 km, before my feet start cramping and/or get numb toes...
I have purchased Pegasus Plus at US$83 in NIKE CNY online sales campaign while I don’t see EVO SL will have any discount in mid period. I ran them first time for 9km easy run and feel my leg tired for few days. So how PP use more my leg muscles than other rocker rolling shoes, like Puma Forever Run Nitro and Novablast 4. I wish the forefoot could have more ZoomX foam in the PP. 😅❤
The PP is a very traditional geometry AND low stack. If the shoes you mentioned are the only ones you have really run it it will be a massive change and you will definitely feel it in your feet and legs until you can built some foot and leg strength. Stick to it as it will make you are stonger runner.
@@SagasuRunningSounds like a P+ vs Adios 9 comparison video 😀
Since all this foot flex / foot strength / natural biomechanics / lower to the ground etc thing you started in me, I am really curious on how the recently ordered Adios 9 feels on foot.
Is it useable as a summer sneaker to go to work or to town? To feel my legs and make them work?
How about the Brooks Hyperion GTS OG i have here. 18mm stack in the forefoot :) I could also use this for the same reason.
Nice comparison video! I got lucky and found the Evo SL last week, very fun ride indeed. Now for its training companion, would you say the Adios 9 is one of the best options rn? I am looking for a low stack, nimble shoe for speed/fast reps sessions. Thanks always for the knowledge and level of analysis you bring!
The Peg Plus is the best option but if you want to stay all Adidas the Adios 9 covers the same ground.
I’ll have some Adidas to rotation content I. A week or two. Stay tuned.
@@SagasuRunningI feel like for longer intervals peg plus is better but for 400m to 1k japan 9 is better
We are so back
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EVO SL is the better shoe for me, soft lightweight and agile the only real downside is that it wants you to go fast😢..i might buy novablast 5 for chill runs to complete my 2 shoe rotation😂
You'll enjoy my next video... stay tuned. 🤙🏻
I have been very impressed with my Evo SLs so far and completely agree about the "generous" fit in the forefoot. Not something that I had experienced in an Adidas shoe before. One thing I had noticed is that the material of the insole seems much more slick/slippery when compared to other shoes I own, and I get the sensation of sliding around inside the shoe. I was wondering if you had a similar experience, and whether you think it might be contributing to the sensation of poor lockdown in the forefoot?
Adidas always has to make one shoe a year with an odd fit. It is like they plan it that way.
I've not found the outsole on the ESL slippery at all. I've spent quite a bit of time in wet to dry in it too (mix of construction on one of my main routes where they clan the streets hourly with water and rain/mist). No issues at all. Even if I'm intentionally twisting my foot to try to break grip.
A poor fit could add to this feeling, but if that poor fit is in the forefoot (like it is in the ESL) it will often become apparent on toe off.
@@SagasuRunning Thanks for the response! I was referring to the insole of the shoe though, i.e. where my sock makes contact with the inside of the shoe. Comparatively, the material of the insole of my Takumi Sen feels much coarser. I agree about the outsole on the ESL though, the continental rubber is excellent.
@@SagasuRunninghe is talking about the INsole of the shoe and sliding around INSIDE the shoe :)
That's also a problem I have from time to time and then i experiment with the socks, then blame all the socks because this artificial material is so slippery but good for transport the sweat away. Oldschool wool socks are notslippery but they soak up the sweat.
Anyway, if you find a) a better sock for the given shoe + b) lace the shoe better in terms of crank it down from the lowest eyelet until the end, that often helps.
If now, try also using the last eyelets or if that is awkward, go for the lace lock method (marathon lacing).
If that doesn't help, you may try out another insole. If all together don't work, the shoe just doesn't fit/work for you - sell it!
I see… I’ve actually not noticed that at all and can’t think of any shoe I’ve ever had that problem with. Sorry.
Agree here… finding the right socks makes a massive different with running shoe fit.
Rebel V4 🙏
lol…. No. The Rv4 is too sloppy fitting, too wide, too soft, too spongy, bad materials and bad engineering.
goat review
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hi does exists any similarity between the zoomx for the invincible run 3 and the pegassus plus
It's the same formula of ZoomX between the two shoes.
Pegasus Plus is awesome. For me it is the best Nike trainer atm
I have to agree... if I'm not testing something for the channel, it's the shoe I've been reaching for lately and will next month much more. Though I do miss the Peg41 at the moment.
Can you compare the evo sl with the asics novablast 5?
Next video on the channel (tomorrow)…. Stay tuned. 🤙🏻 the last “vs” for the Evo SL.
@@SagasuRunningI can sort of guess this one. The Evo SL and Novablast don't really compete with one another, they complement each other. One is a speed trainer that can do easy runs, another is a daily trainer that can also handle speed sessions fairly well. Correct? Hehe.
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I got the Nike Peg plus per your recommendation and like it a lot for speed workout, whereas I couldn’t go much speed workout on my Novablast 5. Can you recommend an ASICS shoes that’s similar to the Nike Peg Plus?
There really isn't anything currently in the Asics lineup like the PP. You would need to get into their race flats, like the Hyper Speed 4 or Tarther, but both have very old school foams in them and are nothing like the ride of the PP. There may be some new Asics shoes in later 2025 that could compare...but they are jsut rumors at this point. We need to wait and see.
@@SagasuRunning Hi. What’s your thought on the ASICS Gel-Cumulus 26? Are they good for flat feet? Is it comparable to the Novablast 5?
@simplymiya3820 I don’t think much of them. Asics made somebody design choices with it and killed the series IMO. The NB5 is a better shoe.
would you recommend any of these for a marathon? for someone who runs between 3h45 to 4h and don't want to spend money on a super shoe?
Honestly, not the best idea. I do think the ESL is valid race shoe, but foe someone faster and more trained (who doesn't respond to plated shoes). What do you run in now? I assume you have run a marathon before? How often do you race?
@@SagasuRunning i raced my first marathon last year using Asics Novablast 4, currently i'm training to run two marathons this year
Honestly…I’d look into the Novablast 5 if I was you. That will likely be a better shoe for what you are doing. Them look into he Superblast 2. Those two shoes will cover all of your needs in training and racing for two marathons next year.
@ yeah that was my thought as well, but i was looking at this two and considering the possibility of moving on from asics. Thank you for your response, love the videos!
Asics has a STRONG lineup this year… wait until you see it all.
Isnt the pegasus plus to low for easy running? Isnt it much harsher on the legs because of the low stack?
Not at all. I mean... some us prefer lower stack shoes for easy running (and workouts). The PP is silky smooth for my legs and feet.
Which one is more like the Nike Tempo? That was the best training shoe (for me) and its been hard to find a replacement.
Neither. The Zoom Fly 6 is the most close, though still not quite there. I'll have a review of another shoe next week you may want to consider as well. Stay tuned.
@@SagasuRunning Cool I'll look out for it. I'm gonna pick up the Peg Plus though. Seems a pretty solid
It is but doesn’t expect anything like the Tempo.
Love the evo but the tongue is too short! Drives me crazy
I’m not finding that an issue. I see people complaining about it. So far no issues. 🤷🏼♂️
There you go 🎉🎉😅 thank you!
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@ Nike wins me over with its overall design, zoomx and that wonderful knit upper ♥️
@MrUGA2010 I actually loved the look of the Evo SL… but the Peg Plus in this white is 🖤
@@SagasuRunning yet, they have managed to discount those odd color pairs only 😃
Silly comparison. I saw you say that the evo sl was a better version of the Boston than the Boston 12. How would compare the evo to the super nova rise.
Two completely different categories. But I’d like to hear that comparison.
Silly comparison? How? They are the same shoe from different brands and approaches.
The ESL is what the Boston should have been 2 year ago (or more).
I’ll have videos exploring both of these subjects in the coming weeks and months.
As far as the SNR2… it’s the idea trainer to pair with the ESL. I’ll have an Adidas rotation guide in the next week or two getting into that.
What do you think is the New Balance shoe closest to this one?
I'd love to get the Adidas, but it's just impossible to get it right now in Canada :(
NB foams have nothing on either ZoomX or LSP… the Rebel v4 is the shoe that is most like this but it’s really not a great shoe (fit, materials, too wide, foam…. All a mess).
@@SagasuRunningThe full peba foam of the Elite v4 is getting closer, but for everything else (Balos, Trainer v3 or Rebel) you’re absolutely right. I like to run in all of them and I still go back to the really soft 1080 v13 for many of my easy runs. I use them as a low stack alternative to max cushion shoes where I just want to get some easy miles done without the need for much energy return.
@ Rv4 has a 80/20 EVA/PEBA blend…. So it’s more EVA than anything. I’ve heard the Rv5 might actually have a full PEBA midsole… if it does (or close to it) I will try it and give it a chance.
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Here in New England, seen a ton of EVs, no peg’s or peg plus. Not a single one! 😮
EVs = Evo? If so...can't even imagine them in New England winter snow/slush/salt.
I love my Nike Pegasus Plus. I used about 10 pairs of the Pegasus 39 over the last few years. I am currently using my second pair of Boston 12. The Pegasus Plus is the wonderful shoe.
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I fully agree.
Another Peg 39 lover? I ran more than 800k in them and I feel I could still run some more!
@OdanUrr87 I LOVED the 37… spent little time in the 38s. Didn’t like how they turned the forefoot air unit in that one.
11:06 having both is always the right answer for all comparison video 😂
Not always… but in this one yes. 👍🏻
How does training in a higher efficiency foam compare to lower? Is it better to train most of your miles in a non super foam? How do you tailor your shoe, foam, and plate choice towards your training? Long topic but recently I've been switching between Endorphin Speed 4 and Nimbus 26 , but the Nimbus just feels super sluggish so i dont enjoy it as much. However, it makes me worried that I'm using the Endorphin as a crutch while training instead of powering through the softness of the Nimbus. Would it be better to use a Peg or SL2 rather than the Nimbus?
This is actually a complicated answer. It’s rather invoked. I’ll be approaching this topic in a few videos over the coming months from a few different angles. Stay tuned.
thanks! sorry for the complicated question but im looking forward to your videos!
Do you think those of us who have a lower cadence could manage the Evo SL a little more efficiently at slower paces?
I think a shoe with alot of forefoot rocker does help runners that struggle with Lowe cadence turn over fast. So yes.
@SagasuRunning my comment is in response to your's in the video when you said because the Evo SL has a more pronounced rocker, you had a harder time forcing it to run slower since you tend to have a higher cadence. As a slightly lower cadence runner (low 170s), I'm wondering if the Evo SL might be easier to keep at slower/easier paces? But then you had to go ahead in the video and tell me to buy both ;) which is now very tempting :)
Oh… they I don’t think so. It’s more the ESL is just so aggressive and the rocker constantly tips you forward. Regardless of your cadence you are going to have a hard time keeping the shoe slow. I mean it can be done, but why bother, when there are many other great shoes for slow running out there to pair with the ESL.
Is there going to be a classic Pegasus in 2025? Peg 42?
I haven’t heard anything yet… but I’d expect one. Typically even generations are minor upper changes only.
Watched this while wearing my Peg Plus, and having had a great 6x1k workout in the EVO SL two days ago.
Was missing the analysis on which would be the better shoe to walk around Brooklyn and get flowers/coffee in 😢
HAHAHA. Obvious Brooklyn = "fast culture"...Adidas has you covered! never fear!
Has to be said the higher weight combined with significantly less foam is poor from Nike really.
I disagree. Not every shoe needs to have a ridiculous stack height. Some of us still prefer low stack shoes and am happy some brands still make them.
@ That wasn’t my point. I am a fan of low stack shoes. I was referring to the fact that Nike have produced a significantly lower stack shoe (which may or may not be an individual’s preference) that somewhat incredibly is actually materially heavier than the EVO SL. By rights the Peg Plus should be a fair bit lighter.
It is the outsole. Much more rubber on the PP, thicker too.
Evo SL doing the online release , pre registration model again .
I've clicked to see before I purchase when released, but won't bother now. Sick of Adidas doing this with daily trainers .
Adidas definitely deserves all of the hate and backlash for how they have released the ESL... 100%.
Maybe I missed it in another video, but when did you get the 2nd pair of Peg Plus? Good colorway for a head to head with the ESL!
I talked about it in one of my Monthly shoe talk videos a few months back. I retire my first pair of Peg 41 and PP after 250mi and 110mi respectively so I could both die a long term review of each shoe and add them to my little running shoe archive.
I then got slammed with new shoes and haven’t had a chance to get the long term review done yet. Maybe Feb… we will see.
I do like the white PP though. 👌🏻
@SagasuRunning I do remember the 2nd pair of Peg41s but forgot the PPs. Yes must have been October or thereabouts.
EDIT: Found it. It was late in the November 2024 video. October was where you mentioned not doing the ZF6 (glad you changed your mind!) and also the recovery properties of ZoomX.
@ yup. Was around there as I planned on the longer term reviews in Nov/Dec then things got BUSY…
I've never understood how anyone can use the pegasus line as a running shoe. I have Peg 39 and recently purchased the Peg 41, and there is no way on earth I would run in them. I use mine as a gym shoe to do circuit, spin sessions in, etc... Admittedly, I've not worn the Peg plus, but owning the Evo SL I would be willing to bet the SL is the better running shoe 😎
The Peg 41 is the standard I judge all other shoes against and the one I spend, by far, the majority of my time in. Though this year may be different… I’ll still be in Pegasus models for the bulk of my mileage…
@SagasuRunning My legs ache just thinking about that 😂
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Me: Hmm... maybe I'll pick one of these this year.🤔
Sagasu: Why not both?🤙
My wallet: 🥲
So pretty much the same in terms of versatility, they just get there in different ways. As such, it seems the Peg Plus could also pair well with the Adios 9. Am I wrong thinking Adidas and Nike seem to be converging a little?
Actually the Peg Plus and Adios 9 are alternative for basically the same thing. One is a trainer and one is a racer but they cover the same ground. It’s all depends if you want a full Adidas rotation.
I do feel like there is some convergence happening. Though Adidas engineering is getting simpler while Nike’s get more involved. They have swapped spots.