Excellent Mechanicals on a Budget
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I want this guy installing my next HVAC system. He obviously cares about his business reputation and it shows in the quality of his work.
It’s great! My shed has been completed and it turned out nice looking and sturdy and it is way better than the sheds that many of my neighbors had put up. Of course, I'm pleased with the outcome and this Ryan’s ruclips.net/user/postUgkxGZedDTcDfgD7fG_uU4esfx_EgxzlY2_1 Plans was extremely useful to me as a guide.
Matt, been watching for years and appreciate the innovation you bring to the industry. Can you do more videos on best practices for those of us with a much more modest budget. I'm talking about $400k spec home types. While I can appreciate the technology you use on these builds some of us want to do better with the budget limits we are forced to work around.
Matt, I installed a Japanese heat pump water heater here in Alaska. They have a choice of three different water tanks that can be installed anywhere you want. The heat pump it’s self gets put outside and is rated down to -20 Fahrenheit. It puts out water at 150 degrees and they include a mixing valve.
Matt - These videos are great, but what they're missing is additional details about integration of the Dehumidifiers, the makeup air systems (MUAS), and/or ERV into the homes. Meaning, how do you duct the Dehu, MUAS into the existing ducting OR into its own ducting? Not everyone can afford the stand alone ERV system, and to be able to use these tools effectively, you need to be able to show builders and contractors the best practices and/or cost effective solutions to these problems. One video for each - a dehumidifier, MUAS (+Bath Fans), ERV specific video for each would be amazing! This can be helpful for remodelers as well! I've been watching for years, and I still struggle to understand how to properly, yet still cost effectively, integrate these into my mechanical systems! Even our HVAC contractor isn't as familiar with these tools as your viewers are, so it'd be nice to have additional videos to share with them that aren't 35 minutes long! One of the more helpful videos you put out recently was with the Georgia builder/developer (Scott True) who came up with his own version of what you've done with Zip + MUAS, Dehu HVAC, but that's even lacking some granularity for the specific trades (mostly HVAC). You've taught us a bunch about HVAC, but would be great to see some more specifics about the budget options for the rest of us! As a developer, I've found it difficult to communicate the processes and final product properly to the subs, that won't force them to deviate from what they normally do OR make them want to charge an additional arm and a leg for the additional workload. Thank you as always! Such a great channel full of useful information!
From someone who has done service calls on HVAC equipment in attics the small but "EXTREMELY " important detail about insulating the condensate line.
I was called for an insurance job for a 2yr old job to reconfigure and replace the non-insulated condensate drain that sweat had damaged the entire ceiling in a great room.
Great job Nacho. Good hvac installers should have good hvac "SERVICE" techs driving the install process.
Any profit can be lost when the contractor has to buy a new ceiling.
Really clean installation! Hard to find subs who take such pride in their work. Props to Nacho!
The ones that take pride are probably installing a lot of this top end equipment.
Thank you!
There are many. Just gotta pay a little more. Many times the good ones I see lose out but just a grand. And the cheaper bid always backfires
Taping off the duct mastic is a true white glove experience for the homeowner (if they even notice).
Great info. having been an owner in the HVAC field, not having backup heat is a mistake. Cheap insurance if the outdoor equipment fails. Parts can be hard to get quickly, now homeowner has no heat. Install the heaters and connect to the emergency heat E terminal on the thermostat.
One of the best cold deliveries I've seen in a while.
These designs and products are right where I want to be for my big remodel. Right at the "knee" in the graph of price to performance, before you start getting those diminishing returns. More of this content por favor.
Matt has a different idea of a "budget" system than the builders where I live.
Yeeeeeeep! 😂
exactly! this would be like a special order top of the line where i live 🤣 I have to order a PVC tub drain assembly if i don't want the cheap plastic one at the local hardware store🤣 we don't do quality stuff here......😑
I have heat pumps. Trane too. They don't look nearly as professional as these. And the installers were morons. I had to bring in a real pro to fix all their mess ups. I need me some Nacho 😂
When he gets as much free shiet as he does, he doesn't remember what it was like to buy stuff...
This is a $30k install, he’s used to $50k installs. I’m used to under $20k install and real budget under $15k with ducts 😂
"Ferrari type Quality", so really delicate and in constant need of expensive maintenance?
That DMF Lighting solution really struck a cord with me. They make it so easy!!!
Watched this video and immediately contacted a Mitsubishi rep for a quote, seems like a great solution for those that already have a ducted system in place.
Matt, great video as always. I would love to see a video talking about retrofitting some of the HVAC systems and improvements you have discussed. This is very cool, but hard to see how this would be done in an older home as a retrofit.
We have used Mr cool on our homes as a dealer. They have worked out great . Incredible savings and performance.
Matt, a informative video as always on best practices. Two suggestions, "budget" is a relative term and the vast majority of spec builders would scoff at including this system in any of their projects. Maybe you could do a follow up with a more common sense approach that could be adopted to conventional houses for the masses fully recognizing that a air tight, energy efficient building can be very adequate with run of the mill HVAC equipment, so dollar for dollar that is probably the best approach anyway.
Also, I realize that they are not sponsors but it would be most valuable for you to list the name brands of all of the pieces used in your videos such as the vibration dampers, condensate drain supports etc. etc. since they can easily be adopted by us the g contractors and general public if they knew where to get them easily... Thanks, Peter
That guy does some very excellent work. Looks high quality to me.
Thank you for your kind words!
When your HVAC says "apples to apples" get ready for expensive. Forever love for Matt tho, he asks it straight -"how much?" and dude is like "not as expensive as one would imagine". Just give the number dude, I have a pretty wild imagination.
I like how the condensate drain trap vent is duct taped, painters taped, when you don't even need the cap on it. Ideally have the service tee before the trap. In southern climates, you need a UV bulbs in that ductwork or shortly mold will start.
"Choose any color you want as long as it's white"
Nathan really channeling his inner Henry Ford.
That deadpan delivery was hilarious.
This was a great episode Matt. Keep up the great work
Excellent equipment & installation! I had Daikin ductless mini-splits installed on my own house in Fall 2020 & the 3 zone condenser failed in 2 years. It's under warranty, (parts only) but under Daikin's direction, the circuit board was tested & replaced - didn't work - then compressor tested & determined to be bad. I'm trying to negotiate with Daikin for a new unit vs more replacement labor. It's not going well. I think I'll change to Mitsubishi for future jobs.
Installs are on a next level, GREAT job!
I want Nacho on My Team! Tremendous Professional
Thank you for your kind comment!
Just like Henry Ford, You can have any color that is white. That put a smile on my face.
Excellent work!
Really great video Matt, amazing HVAC system and definitely going to look into using the DMF recess cans on up coming houses.
Great vid; thx Matt!
*That's a great looking HVAC install!*
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Great job on the lav mics on your guests. Everybody sounded super clear.
Haha... The sound was horrible...
The audio was mostly good, except for the A/C units for the upstairs, where it sounded a bit weird (maybe due to echoes?), and where I heard some audio dropouts.
Great work on the HVAC install.. One downside to these "duct boards" is the insulation is exposed to the breathing air. Just a heads up when thinking about using it and letting client know.
This is exactly why i left the HVAC industry, spending money on unnecessary extras than cheaping out on duct, the industry would be so much better if everyone just read the manuals
No price mentioned = expensive.
"Dealer equipment" = only certain contractors can buy it, so even more expensive.
Love our Hyperheat system! Just found out a couple months ago we had been running it in two-stage mode because of our stupid Nest thermostat. Changed it out for the OEM thermostat, and the difference is noticeable in comfort and quietness.
We monitor the usage thru our Tesla app, and the VRF mode probably saves a decent amount of power over two-stage, maybe high single-digit %. We will find out next year.
Even if this was a semi-budget system by most people, what they never tell you about is what the semi-long term maintenance is going to cost. The extra fans and motors and filter media for the fresh air box. And the blower motor in the Mitzi unit that is running most of the time too.
Please indicate brand of those buckets👏🏻
On the drain line. We like to add a union and a an additional tee to vent. Is that over board?
A great episode indeed.
Those lights look really nice too
You can get in to higher seer heatpump equipment more cost effective in a Bosch or Gree surge protectors a must. We install on high efficiency spec homes to keep costs down to achieve the same goal. Prefer the Bosch just for warranty purposes as it's one of the few manufacturers that gives 10 years out of box in on residential. Great for spec homes.
Did I hear her right at 15:40 saying that a heat pump was putting out 120 degree air? I always understood that a good heat pump would put out 15-20 degrees higher than the air coming into the unit.
Two comments :
1. if you want to save money a single heat pump with damper would be cheaper than 2 separate systems.
2. Because Mitsubishi HP run the fun continuously at low speed by default, it makes even more sense to use ERV/HRV connected to the same ducts instead then separate ducts or at most a hybrid system with separate returns from. bathrooms if you want to avoid bath fans.
My uncle works in Hvac, and he has said Trane and American Standard are the exact same thing. The only difference is the badges and warranty. You pay more for Trane simply for a better warranty. Save the money and buy American Standard.
Amen,
Another great show with good ideas.
I am not as familiar with the new heat pumps since I rarely if ever used heat in southeast Florida. My current house (got what was available) has gas heat with AC. Heat pumps are definitely more efficient but I always worried about how they worked for really cold days in north Georgia.
Does the switched damper go on the air output of the stove hood or just to allow replacement air? I found that vents for the stove and the exhaust for the gas fireplace hurt efficiency for heating and cooling. I would like to close both when not being used.
I have always been a fan of LED lighting. I always buy warm white (2700 to 3000) LED lights which are softer on the eyes.
All new info helps me get ideas for building an off the grid (except internet) house in the near future.
OOOOOOooooonnnnnnn the BUIIIIILLLLDDDD shooooowww!
Heat strips are a MUST for when the heat pump fails on a cold day. And it will fail. Or, as has happened to me more than once, heat pump gets covered with ice/snow enough to jam the condenser fan from a storm or water dripping off the roof and freezing on the unit. Heat strips are cheap. As for wiring you are likely just bumping up from 12 to 10 gauge. Have to run the circuit anyway.
Remember, he’s in Austin. All that snow and freezing talk you just mentioned isn’t really a thing there.
Totally agree, it’s called emergency heat for a reason. Adds maybe $300 to a $40k install
What are the other fan options on the Mitsubishi unit? Does it have an "auto" fan speed where it changes the air handler speed automatically? Does it have a dehumidification mode where it slows the fan down automatically to work with the dehumidifiers to dehumidify faster? Thanks!
** probably should have looked at a Bosch system. That we've been more budget-friendly. Yes, hanging a systems is great but the vibration springs a little bit of overkill for residential. You notice that they did not mention price to be compared to what budget-friendly means. I'm just curious of the power consumption that 2- dehumidifiers are doing electric bill, plus HVAC system That was probably a $60,000 -70,000 job , to most contractors that's not a budget-friendly. But on another note it does look like the contractor did a fine installation! ( but I would put a vent cap on the PVC pipe instead of duct tape)
Thank you for your comment! The tape on the vent caps is for keeping debris out during construction that vent is meant to be open.
i hope you will have more videos from Lukes house.
Great video, Matt. Sorry I missed you at IBS this year. I’m sure you’ll be putting on a video(s) on IBS2023.
@buildshow We've been working with an architect for our remodel and ADU build. We now have preliminary architecture with stamped structural engineering documents and will be engaging builders to gauge pricing. Should we be working with an HVAC consultant now or ask that our builder do that? Is that something you could cover in a quick video for homeowners? When do you engage consultants for any mechanical needs if already working with an architect?
Im remodeling a house in OK and I just scrapped the new hvac to get euro white oak EHW all over... 😆
This might help...
i love it when MATT says, wawwww TELL ME ABOUT THATTTT
17:35 Where do I find that continuous fan setting? This sounds great to use, but not seeing that on the SVZ-KP24NA AHU. Thanks!
My idea of budget is more along the lines of a box fan in the window. 😂
would love to see how you install something like this as a replacement from an older system, without a full reno. Can it be done?
yes its possible, would have to run new refigerent lines along with comm cables but yes. :)
Quality install. It all makes sense to me except the insulation on the condensate line. Can somebody be explain why you would do that in a conditioned attic?
what is the difference between the dehumidifier and the erv and do you need bother or can you get one as oppose to the other?
In NC, a backup/emergency heat source is required (heat strips....) and seeing 117 degree register temps in sub freezing weather? An air source heat pump?
....I'd like to see that.......
How will you insulate the rafter Bays behind all of that mechanical equipment in the Attic?
He said they're using spray foam at the roof level.
If you’re willing to divulge, since you are home builder, are you being to lower your price on new homes?
Too bad no one does that quality of work here in upstate South Carolina
Where did you get that EPS duct boot?
Curious, what advantage is there to using a can housing vs the wafer canless lights?
to name a few - reduced glare, beam distribution options, beam angle options, maintenance, performance, aesthetics, trim options, control options, and integral air tightness.
Nathan from DMS guy did a great job.
Who makes those pedestals supporting the drainline? I've hunted all over the internet and not been able to find those anywhere.
Great video! Total tech geek question... How were you getting the audio in the 1st part? It was like the mic was 2" from your face!? The second is definitely further away from your mouth.
I’d like more information on the details and installation of the current sensing transducer. I wanted to do the same for my ERV boost mode and spent some time researching and probably engineered something more complex than it needs to be.
We use Functional devices RIBXGF Enclosed Self Powered Split Core, Fixed Current Sensor, .35-150 Amp. Feel free to PM me to brainstorm a way to wire it to your ERV
@@NewResults beautiful install. Can you elaborate on the MUA system? Is it just a passive system once the damper is opened? Or does the transducer that opens the damper also turns on a separate fan to draw in the MAU and pushes it through the return ducts. Thanks!
@mngo89 Thank you for your compliments. It is a Passive MUA system that relies on the air handler. VRF air handlers are set to constantly circulate air and the MUA requirements are less than 400 cmf, so no aux fan is needed.
@@NewResults thanks! Makes sense. Is that fresh air intake the same one that would flow into the air handler? Can it be designed to open the damper to bring in fresh air on a routine schedule AND also open when the kitchen exhaust is on?
@@NewResults thanks!
How do we keep the air handler and vents out fo the ceiling space?
It would be nice to know the HVAC cost even if it's ballpark and just the equipment cost.
Thats probably $30k+ right there...
"If you gotta ask big man, you can't afford it" lol
So when the kitchen exhaust calls for fresh air the louver opens and lets unconditioned (humid) air straight into a potentially off coil? Would not that cause condensation in some conditions on the interior of the ducts?
The latest low temperature heat pumps are good all the way down to -20 degrees Fahrenheit. I'd be interested in seeing if Mitsubishi can do anything to that scale.
I just had a mitsubishi 3 ton hyper heat unit installed in my 1960 home that's 1600sqft a couple weeks ago. With leaky windows and poor installation, it kept up here in NY when we reached a very windy real feel of about -20°f.
Heat strips help when the unit goes in defrost.
Is there a way I could get the exact model of the air handler and condenser?
So to replace the driver you have to discard the led and proprietary housing with it?
Not the housing, just the puck!
Where can I purchase these premade duct boots?
24:32 Come on. You can't do that to me. You'll make me wake the neighbors from laughing so hard.
Can these units be run from a 3rd party thermostat?
I have a commercial vrf unit installed. Different brand. Absolutely love it, except the T-stat. I can change the stat but have to change the circuit board and at that point really becomes a headache. Just sticking with OEM.
There are two options, one is with the Mitsubishi PAC-US444CN Thermostat interface module, the other is with the Airzone Aidoo pro network adapter. Both are modules that tie into the air handler control board on the CN105 connector.
What brand is that drain pipe pedestal?
They have them at local plumbing supplys
How can I find this HVAC installer? I am building now and would love for them to do my install.
That install is commercial quality. I have never seen that in a residential setting, which is so disappointing. I wonder what pricing 'New Results' charges for that level of quality work? My residential system compressor sits on a concrete platform, no damping, just outside my kitchen window, and when it turns on vibrates the hell out of the window. The air handler (AHU) hangs from the ceiling in the garage, not the best place for the AHU. Would like to move that elsewhere.
Am I the only one that sees the video wobbling?
I haven't had a drink in a few days.
Great info but the wobbling was distracting.
What is the emergency heat for the heat pump on defrost cycle? If heat strips are they 10,000 watts? That might challenge a small generator if so.
About 12:00 they say no heat strips.
Don't need it with these inverter systems in a lot of cases. I have ducted LG heat pumps in my house, when in defrost they shut off the indoor blower, and wait till the indoor coil is warm again before restarting it.
I had a heat pump replaced in 2021 with a Trane 18 seer. It cost me 16k and I thought that was mid tier cost wise😂. I’m rather disappointed in its cold weather performance too.
I show my clients this when they come to me worried about the finishes.
What is the 2023 cost of this HVAC system?
can the lighting change colors like red, green, blue etc. that would be so nice for holidays and different moods.
no
Oh my! Not much room left for a model train layout in the attic... Cheers!
Give it a sci-fi theme and route it around some of that equipment maybe? Could be cool with maybe a replica of one of those old art deco trains
Questions of curiosity as a homeowner. Why are some homes left with that 1 room, usually at the end of the line, that is unconditioned/unheated well? Closing vents or leaving all doors open to circulate doesn't work out with older children. Also, how sealed should our doors be relating to seeing some light escape in corners or at the floor? Are homes supposed to be completely airtight with central air in the living spaces?
Poor duct design or installation, an unbalanced air distribution system, or lack of retun air in the bedrooms are some of the factors that could account for uncomfortable rooms.
Bedrooms should have either a dedicated return or a jumper duct to a common area to de-pressurize the room.
As part of the commissioning process, the installing contractor should measure static pressure at the air handler, adjust the blower motor for that static pressure drop, measure the air flow to each register with a flow hood and adjust the balancing dampers at the duct branches to make sure each room in the house is getting the air flow as per the manual J design.
The exterior doors should have a proper gasket to make them airtight.
Matt has a lot of great videos explaining why we should make our homes as tight as possible.
@@NewResults Sadly the home was built in 2001 so the bathroom seems a lost cause without some work. There is a small square vent outlet, at the top, on the 16'+ ceiling A frame apart from the exhaust fan. It is nothing like a vent in the attached Master bedroom. Sounds like interior doors need to be partially open for bedrooms or we need an open vent at the top of the internal doors for return air.
About the dehumidifier, what he’s not telling you is he would reduce the need for a dehumidifier if you did a two stage a/c instead of variable. Variable never gets a chance to collect condensation because it never turns off.
Why is the vent on the condensate line taped? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the vent? Doesn't it exist to avoid the water leaving the trap from creating negative pressure and pulling the rest of the water in the trap with it?
Where I live - Michigan - electricity is so much more expensive than gas. Are these electric heat pumps so efficient that they make up for the difference in price between electricity and gas?
Your A/C is your dehumidification for your house. Especially using this variable speed equipment.
In the shoulder seasons mini splits simply don't run enough to dehumidify the home, that's why a standalone dehumidifier is needed.
Good to see Trane partnering with Mitsu. What I don't understand is why there's no radiant barrier on those rafters.
Idea is that it won't be necessary if they're just going to spray closed-cell foam over it
That’s right. Spray on the decking making the radiant barrier in effective
They probably have it on the top of the roof
I really wish it wasn't so hard to buy DMF lights. I've spent about an hour and keep hitting dead ends. Have you guys ever heard of Amazon? If Amazon sold them, they'd already be on my front porch.
11:04 Never call a lady an OLD friend. 😂
Risinger saying "budget" 😂
Great content. Side note: The audio on this video was 👌
I noticed that the audio around the upstairs unit sounded a bit weird. Maybe echoes? And some audio dropouts?
Budget must mean $1-2M home.
Budget on this house is well under 1M
@@lukemarks9132 So $800k not including land?
@@concernedcitizen913 👇