Intel i9 14900KS, Performance vs Extreme PL1/PL2 Profile benchmarks | RTX 4090
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Check out how the new Intel i9 14900KS Processor performs in a range of benchmarks. Many Intel i9 13th/14th gen users have been reporting stability issues. In this video check if there is any potential performance loss, from using lower powered profile.
My system specs:
• CPU - Intel Core i9-14900KS
P-cores at 5.9 GHz - 6.3GHz
E-cores at 4.6 GHz
Ring Cache 51
• GPU: MSI NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 24GB SUPRIM X ( 3 GHz O.C. )
• RAM: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 48 GB DDR5 8400 MHz CL38-49-49-84 1.42v ( 2 sticks of 24 GB )
• MOTHERBOARD: ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 APEX ENCORE
• POWER SUPPLY: Corsair AX 1200W Gold
• MONITOR: Samsung S95B (55 inch / QD-OLED / G-SYNC compatible / 120Hz -144Hz display)
• CASE: Thermaltake View 71
• OPERATING SYSTEM: Windows 11 Pro
• SSD : 3x WD Black SN850X 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4
The CPU and RAM are water-cooled and you can see the system here
• Why my Intel i9 13900K...
Dedicated Recording and Streaming PC
CPU = AMD Ryzen 9 7900X 3D
Motherboard = Asus AM5 Crosshair X670e Hero
Memory = KINGBANK RGB 32GB 2 x 16GB DDR5-6400MHz
32-39-39-80 1.4V
CPU Cooling = Corsair H110 280mm AIO
Capture Card = Elgato 4K X
PSU = EVGA 850W BQ
Case = Corsair 4000D AIRFLOW Tempered Glass Mid-Tower ATX Case
GPU = Gigabyte NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 WINDFORCE OC 8GB
Storage = WD Black SN850 1TB NVMe M.2 Pcie Gen4 SSD
Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1 TB PCIe NVMe M.2 Pcie Gen 3 SSD
Mic = Blu Yeti
Time Stamps
0:00 Intro
0:46 Bios Settings
3:52 Cinebench R23
4:30 Shadow Of The Tomb Raider
6:25 F1 23
8:44 Horizon Zero Dawn
10:49 Cyberpunk 2077
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Great tuning and thanks for the advisory.
Also WCCF has your video up in an article trying to imply that the existence of these power saving profiles will reduce the performance of i9 users in general. I don't agree with that implication, but I hope it results in more people seeing your videos and what a really good overclock looks like.
I also use LLC 6 with my Asus board and 13900kf. It is just more stable under load for me. Much better than the default 3 or recommended for OC 4.
Awesome video, is there any noticable performance issue in 4K?
Thanks, I haven't tested at 4K, but I would imagine the performance hit would tiny.
Good work, thanks!
BTW with Intel XTU Tool you can change on the fly all settings, without rebooting bios and so on...
This is great. Overclocking has always been about bleeding edge. Thay comes with a higher power and cooling cost. These videos help us decide if its worth it. Definitely a fun choice to OC for me. Thanks for making this!
You'll have to redo the video, Intel's latest statement says that the Intel Baseline Profile that they're going to start enforcing until the end of the month to motherboard vendors is actually PL2 at 188W and not 253W. Intel is shady and lucky, they knew about all of these issues since a long time ago and they're only solving it now because Arrow Lake is a new uarch so they won't need to cheat on benchmarks anymore (using this uarch specifically through three generations 12/13/14th) and also because it'll make Arrow Lake look better against Raptor Lake in the near future, consumers shafted in the face yet again, thanks Intel.
Why would I need to redo the video? Any changes Intel makes will be optional for the user. They can tell motherboard vendors to ship with these settings, but we don't have to use them.
Found the AMD fanboy.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer I have never had an issue with 13900k or 14900k currently running all core 5.8ghz P-core 4.7Ghz E-core LLC5 no limits draws just about 320w full load no thermal throttle etc etc
it comes down to the user and most people i am seeing probably are adjusting features they don't understand but blaming the board makers personally, i think it's a reach and people are messing it up with copying settings from someone else who still doesn't know what their doing.
@@Bang4BuckPCGameryou're good bro. You're not a quantitative channel, you're a qualitative channel. this is exactly the content I want.
@@tommypearson9260 There is that whole group of low LLC pushers. Low LLC isn't for i9 levels of power draw, the volts drop too much and you lose stability. It is good for 125w chips. My default Asus LLC is 3. That is probably where most of the instability that people are having at sudden 300w+ power draws is coming from. Low default LLC on a CPU that is oversized relative to the motherboard concerning power draw. Volts get too low and the CPU becomes unstable.
Also, for some games like F1, Hardware Unboxed covered this, you don't want to use the lowest preset because some settings implicate geometry, draw distance and shadow quality which all depend on CPU speed. Also, your Shadow of the Tomb Raider comparison, 25 FPS is a big amount when it's 100 vs 125 FPS, but here we are talking about 350 vs 375 FPS or a difference of maybe 7% whereas the power consumption is 50% less, 250w vs 375w?
Great video! Intel said baseline does not apply to K and KS. Your video is spot on and shows no clocks or performance drop on KS with its allowed extreme profile. Hilariously now Intel has created a moat between the K and KS chips!
Hey mate thanks for the vid, awesome result! the extreme profile is with the correct intel power limits extreme profile? as for the bios settings first of all Im about to build the same pc specs almost 14900KS + Apex encore + 8400MHZ G skill Ram , should I set SVID Behavior to trained? or best case scenario if I have a good CHIP with high SP Score? what about AC/DC Loadlines should I touch it or keep on Auto? and Cpu Load Line Calibration should I pick level 4 for best OC?
Thanks, Keep SVID behaviour to auto. Best case scenario for me at least is unstable but offers best temps. Load line can be your choice, level 4 will use more voltage, but have a higher Vdroop. Level 6 is closer to the actual set voltage. And just leave AC and DC to auto. The Apex encore does a good job of giving the chip what it needs.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer thanks for the reply I heard that the trained option is using the mobo sensors to match the voltage so it might be a good option too? If I’m going to run 8400mhz ram the level 4 is what I need or should I try first level 3 or 2 for lowest voltages? Do you have crashing the finals or any bsod with or without Intel defaults settings?
@@YGadgETech Load line calibration has nothing to do with your ram, that is purely for your CPU. I haven't played the finals, and I don't experience crashing or BSOD. My system is stable.
That's a substantial difference in performance. So Intels' chips don't perform nearly as well as previously thought once their correct profile is applied.
I would like to see Intel work on getting APO in more games. It works like magic, but support is limited right now.
"correct" depends on your point of view. Intel is trying to help the very unlucky, or those with little competence achieve stability. It will not result in performance loss for many, much less all Intel users. Few will update their bios to get the option to reduce performance and few will change their settings to reduce performance.
Also Bang4Buck is showing his tuned stable bios far exceeds the performance seen in reviews. His reduced performance with the reduced power limits is still likely far above review performance. But he knows what he is doing. The reduced power limits fix is for people who don't.
@@malceum Me too, but I also set my own profiles. One I like for my 13900kf is turning off HT and half of the e-cores. Then I either increase my clocks or reduce voltages. My P-cores are much more tunable with HT off. I mostly care about gaming. If I want high CB scores I turn all threads back on, but that is rare TBH. Also APO still tries to do stuff with overclocked, threads disabled bios settings.
How can I check to make sure my bios settings aren’t default to the non extreme profile? It says auto but knowing ASUS it really makes the 13th and 14th gen CPU’s go over their limits
Are you using the Trident RAM with 8400 XMP or did you overclock a lower clocked speed RAM to 8400?
If you can, please link me to the RAM you're using.
www.ebuyer.com/2192396-g-skill-trident-z5-rgb-48gb-ddr5-7200mhz-desktop-memory-for-gaming-f5-7200j3646f24gx2-tz5rk
Best to wait a bit and see if the problems are caused by actual degradation of the CPU or not. I personally for now I wouldn't push it too much before that is 100% cleared up.
Can you test with 400A limit and turn on asus multicore enchantment auto-lets bios optimize ,because Talon's Tech recommends to leave that on.
What o you use now Extreme PL1/PL2 or that one what you have 14900KS 6.3GHz ? I have 14900KS SP 107 120x81 on Apex encore. :) On that setup i ger only 38k in CB23 max 320W.
Hey do you crash with your system on games or just randomly or get any BSOD ?
@@YGadgETech No, I don't have anything yet.
@@darus2022 have you tried the finals or other UE5 engine titles? I’m going to build my system tomorrow
@@YGadgETech no i play now only last epoch:)
Try with Helldivers 2 for stability
Any recommendations for somebody unfamiliar with water cooling?
I had a 13900kf delidded with liquid metal and a 360mm AIO. I never seen temps over 80c and that was only in the most extreme circumstances. I just got a 14900ks and now I'm back to square one bc this setup can't keep the KS below 80c during high load. Guess I'm gonna be doing a custom loop and have no idea where to start
Delid + Liquid Metal + Direct die block + Watercooling.
I'd recommend looking at the Ice Man cooler direct die block, it performs much better than EK's direct die.
Before you do anything I would recommend to note down voltages the 13900kf needs for a given frequency and what the 14900ks needs for the same frequency, to find out if the 14900ks is better then the 13900kf you are already using.
A good 13900kf could be better then a bad 14900ks.
FYI LLC at the highest level takes that 1.385v to around 1.45v actual. I'm curious as to how much power you're sucking down at full tilt, 400w? So glad I went with 7800x3D when my 12900k started bluescreening constantly. It traded blows with 14900k while consuming 1/3rd the power before this debacle and now, it's probably 10% faster easily and AM5 has an upgrade path whereas z690/ z790 is basically a dead platform. Also, Intel has just recently come out and asked all mobo manufacturers to limit the baseline power to 188w! Love your content, I'm still rocking my View 71 as well.
His LLC is at the second highest level and doesn't take the volts that high under heavier load. There is still some vdroop and the more amps consumed, the more vdroop there is. A 14900ks run at 5.9GHz will vdroop far more than your 7800X3D will because it will use far more power. Motherboards aren't made for new i9 levels of power draw yet and the existing LLC guidelines are simply inadequate for them.
Also almost nobody will install a new bios and change their power settings to baseline so almost no one will be affected by this. i9s are losing no performance vs your X3D and ones like the one in this video have ~15% more performance than reviews.
And if someone with an intel motherboard wants to upgrade they can just sell their motherboard for not too much less than they bought it for. This makes the extra cost going to a platform that will last until 2026 minimal vs one that will die in 2025.
Also, just curious, do you run your Ryzen in W11 compliance in regards to fTPM? I've heard that can still be an issue even with all of the software updates AMD has provided since it is a hardware issue. If you have to stick with W10 (that loses support in 2025) with AM5 then that is a terrible platform for longevity.
Nice video. Can I ask you something personally, wich cpu and gpu was your best nostalgic moment In your entire lifespan? I apologize for my bad English.
I would say the ATi 5970 2GB for the GPU, and intel i5 2500K for the CPU.
I haven't installed Asus' latest BIOs, but I wondered if enabling Intel's baseline profile was equivalent to leaving everything on Auto AND disabling MCE (enforce all limits) ?
Enforce all limits
Intel baseline also enabled both CEP settings in Asus bios. That's the only other change I noticed
Really wish I picked up Ryzen 7800x3d or 7950x3d instead of 14900k. Knowing this Z790 motherboard can't be upgraded further with new gen, and this unstable BS bios we have to go through on top of shitty power consumption compared to AMD. It's like there's no reason to pick intel 13th and 14th i9.
Not everyone is having issues. Try not to generalise
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer ? literally there's someone bought 10 13th and 14th i9 chips and only 20% are stable. How is that generalising? What about intel making statement about it? what are we saying my guy.
The best fastest way to test for stability is use cinebench r15 extreme it's the hardest cinebench on 12/13/14 gen
Thanks for this great video bro
What is so special about it? ibb.co/2kq7nT1
@Bang4BuckPCGamer a lot of 12,13,14 gen i9/i7 cpu's can't even run it on stock settings and is the hardest to pass out of cb r23 cb r20 I've got a good bin cpu and don't get problems with it but there's people who can't
I enabled Intel Baseline after all of this, but after watching the video I’m going to try n enable these settings I have a 13900ks which based on the chart it’s very close to the 14900ks
Stay away from Intel Failsafe SVID. Your problem is more likely an LLC that allows the relatively undersized VRMs on your motherboard to droop too low on heavy load. Your motherboard VRMs are probably quite good compared to 10 years ago, but CPU power consumption has gone up like 3-4x while the VRMs aren't much different,
Also keep your CPU volts below 1.5
testing in fullhd when there is 2k and 4k even 8k, with pc thats costs like 4-5k is insane dude
Testing at 1080p keeps the focus on the CPU.
Summarizing. If you have a good AIO and you use the PC for gaming, it is better to leave it with the maximum possible OC. On the other hand, even if you have a great AIO, if you are going to use the PC to work rendering 24/7, it is advisable to have the baseline profile on, you will lose a couple of seconds but your CPU will not get an electromigration of 3 pairs of noses.
Try the division 1 at 1080p.. i use 140W with performance profile vs 240W with extreme on 14900k
Division really uses up the cpu for sure...even in 4k.
@@TechDoneRight1 I think with 14900ks it will use 280W - 300W...
with 307A i maintain 5.3/5.4 with 140W at 60C vs 400A i maintain 5.7 with 240W at 90C
@@meow6023 Ill give it a go in a bit. Im running 5.8 all core but still using extreme profile. Ill report back
@@meow6023 what area in the game are you testing this?
Wow 8400 MTs RAM that's crazy. I'm happy with 6400.
That’s their lowest baseline. For the KS models, their extreme baseline is 320/320W and 400A.
I guess you didn't watch the video
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer yea, my bad. I made it just over half way.
@@kpm4620 Funny as I covered that at the very start.
Awesome vid,So basically intel had to cheat and got caught out.But they have been having issue with their finfet process for awhile their NM calculations are not industry standard and tsmc have been clapping them for years.I understand why they had to cheat TSMC’s process is just way ahead.
Even if you do all of that tweaking, the perfomance per watt is still an abomination compared to my i7-12700K or a 7800X3D.
I don't want either. Happy with my 14900KS and 7950X 3D. 12th is not that great. Especially with DDR4.
He also could also tune for efficiency instead of max clocks. It is a matter of personal preference.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer How is 12th gen not that great?
Is not a Zen 2 vs Zen 3 gaming difference, it's basically 10th gen vs 11th gen.
@@saricubra2867 I know its not that great because my 5800X 3D was faster than my 12900K paired with 6400Mhz DDR5 before I upgraded both systems.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer Must be some heavy AMD sponsored titles (there are a lot of those) and windows 11 i9 scheduling issues.