Having to wait 3 long hours for your front man to arrive at such a huge rock concert must have been an absolute nightmare for the rest of the band. Truly terrifying.
Yeah I mean I didn't used to think it was that big of a deal but after you've dealt with riots I can see why you might be really nervous. Oh - and looking at it from his coworkers perspectives - the musicians were not like the crew. The crew was at least getting overtime pay. But the band wasn't getting paid anything more for waiting three to four hours sitting on their asses with nothing to do. That's extremely unfair because Axl was essentially working less hours than they were. Izzy mentioned that if he wanted to go on four hours late then he should pay the fines. Which really isn't an unreasonable thing to say. If the show went past a certain time they were supposed to stop so they'd have to go longer and pay fines for it. It would especially make me mad if I were Izzy and I was being told my pay was going to be docked for not moving around stage enough, lol. I'd be like 'consider it even when I have to sit and wait for four hours at the venue backstage and can't do or go wherever I want. Sorry but after I've been here forever waiting on you while you were sleeping in your hotel room or watching a movie I'm actually tired and not revitalized like you, lol.'. And all that extra money they were having to pay the crew was eating into their profits. I think Duff said they ended up only taking in 20% but it should have been much more. But between the overtime union wages for the crew, the fees for going later, the wild expensive after parties etc. They ended up making a lot less. I used to feel like man, Izzy - why did you have to go? But I totally understand considering all that now.
Gilby acts like hes awesome but really. hes a sub. not the real shit. kinda of a joke. its sad. i would never act like him he wasnt there for the real GnR he didnt write anything
Ironically, Izzy's decision to leave the band was no different than the thousands of fans that were fed up with GNR's superstar antics. Unfortunately, once he left the band they would never be the same. He was such an integral part of the band's success and great songwriting. 🎶 🎸
You really have to hand it to Izzy. The guy has principals, to get sober and turn your back on the biggest band in the world in the midst of all of that is fucking commendable. AND that is why even tho GnR are still trucking along he must be THEE most respected member. (at least by original fans)
Adam Lands -- you speak for "everyone?" Your comment is unfair and flat-out stupid. Stradlin had admitted that he had alcohol abuse issues, and, that the rock 'n roll lifestyle made it difficult for him to stay sober. So, he left the scene, for his own health and to achieve sobriety. Most rational, fair-minded people rightfully find this conduct to be admirable and laudable. Only a fool would call someone like this a "clown." And, Stradlin is far from "broke," genius -- he receives fat royalty checks from sales of all GNR material produced when he was a member.
@@mooknick242 I heard one of the reason he left was because of the heroin use within the band and the pushing of it on him to make the band easier to control, so he may have ended up in a dark alley if he had stayed
@@mooknick242 cool cool, guns and roses should have gone on, they made some awesome music but egos and drugs got them in the end. At least we got some fantastic songs for a time
After listening to Appetite for the first time, I clearly remember saying," They won't top this album." Izzy was the key that started the GnR machine. I can't blame him for leaving.
Lizzy stayed at a hotel I worked at here in the UK a few years ago. He is a very down to earth guy and very friendly. I think him leaving the band was why they broke up--he was the Axl whisperer--and once he stopped being the middle man--things fell apart
Absolutely. However, his ability to communicate with Axl had already broken down when he decided to go. Axl pulled away from him which was the worst thing for both of them. They were the only completely sober ones in the band at the time so it would have been great if he could have hung out with Axl. But he became extremely difficult to talk to and reason with and started listening to all the wrong people who didn't have his best interest at heart. After he tried to demote Izzy that was the coffin. When he almost didn't show up for a show and there were cops ready in riot gear and guns, etc. in case a riot broke out since one had before - that was the nail. I just hate how everyone blames Izzy for the band eventually breaking up or falling apart. I'll admit I kind of felt like that for a brief moment then thought more of it and realized how ridiculous it had become. Axl going to Paris and canceling the show at the last minute while they were all where they should be ready to go on. Not only did he blow off the show but he gets to enjoy Paris while we're stuck here? That's pretty shitty. Still a fan but it wasn't just that Izzy got sober'. It was mostly Axl. He would no longer communicate with Izzy so then no one else could communicate with him through Izzy.
This is truth. There is always someone in every band who goes unsung for what they contribute to the sound and feel, just because they dont carry stage presence or their mixed into the background or whatever. With the Rolling Stones I honestly dont believe Bill Wyman got his dues. He was one of the reasons the Stones were so fucking funky. Izzy was another with GnR. GnR would not have been as high octane funky without Izzy, he's one of those guys you dont really notice when he's there, but you sure fucking know it when he's not. Thats the definition of the soul of a band.
Meh a band is never one guy...i know people wont agree..but its a unit....melody rythym harmony.....you need all three to make music.....and its often egos that cripple great bands
The #1 cause for an addict to relapse is stress, and triggers , when a person gets and stays clean those 2 things are avoided like a plague. Axl s not commitment and ego mixed with slash and duffs substane abuse is whe he has not joined gnr. Without izzys input in their songwriting i dont think there can be another authentic gnr album
Izzy didn't do the "reunion" because the paycheck wouldn't be split evenly! I don't consider it a reunion if 2/3rds of the original members STILL aren't in the band!
Its always greed in every band. They start out as all equal , then fame ,greed, friendship is gone....To me Izzy always stayed true to his roots, stood his ground, and kept his pride...
@Joel Veedler Gilby played only on "Spaghetti Incident". Sadly he was fired. Then "the hired guns" came: Buckethead, Paul Huge (co-writer on "Back off Bitch"), Robin Finck... Matt was the successor of Steven, and left by his own choice in 1997. Steven and Slash were not founding members either.
I agree, but it was still a good show in Pittsburgh and one of the last good nights I had with my ex girlfriend, but no Steven and Izzy it isn’t a true reunion
That’s not true axle Rose and Izzy both wrote the majority of the music. Did you hear is his music without actual Rose and GNR it was awful check it out it was called is a Izzy Stradlin and the juju hounds
@ Guns N' Roses Central: Thanks for the post. Guns N' Roses has always been like a Greek tragedy to me. One of the greatest bands of all-time just imploding at the height of their success. If Guns N' Roses had resolved all their issues, I honestly believe they could have been even bigger.
G N' R became a different band after Steven and Izzy left. That classic rhythm section was the heart and soul of G N' R -- the driving force that made everything else possible. Can't blame Izzy for not wanting to put up with Axl's prima donna attitude anymore. A person can only take so much before enough is enough.
As a recovering alcoholic / addict myself, I can understand Izzy if that is one motivation to NOT involve himself with the reunion. You need to remove yourself from your old environment and associates in order to maintain your sobriety. I know that Slash is also in recovery and now sober, (not sure about Duff or any other members) but it would still be the same people and situations that might trigger a relapse. If that is Izzy's motivation, then i applaud him. Recovery is not easy... but if it just has to do with him not wanting to deal with Axl, I also understand that. I paid for two GnR tickets in my teenage years, and both shows were a major disappointment. Once, Axl walked off stage after 3 songs, and the second time a few members were so loaded that they just sounded awful (Axl was one of those members that time as well.) I wish Izzy the best and hope the band does better this time around.
Its quite amazing how time changes things, Axl is not who he was at all. The entire "Not in this lifetime" tour he has been professional and put forth an amazing performance. On stage on time every time and they play like the band that Izzy wanted them to be, If they decide to record an album after the tour I hope Izzy is involved.
Too little too late. He can’t just undo all the damage he did in the past. I’m glad to see him being a better person and all, but he has to live with his past.
@@geekverve Well I won’t speak for you but I think most of us have skeletons in the closet and I would hope that our future behavior will diminish or eliminate past mistakes.
@@MrRuger1977 Yeah I have to agree with you. You are not judged by your past unless you have people like Geek Verve in your life who won't let you forget. We've all fucked up and we will all fuck up again, it's just that Axl Rose did it for the world to see. He's no more or less a human being than anybody else is. He puts his pants on one leg at a time and takes a shit every morning. Normal stuff really. I think when people live in their past it sort of places a backwards projector on to their future which is entirely counter productive.
Izzy has publishing income from the first four albums, that's huge. No need to take anything else seriously when you have that. It must be better than your average mega millions lotto ticket.
@American Fuel TV He didn't work for it... not like the others did... in the studio he delivered a minimal contribution, and what did he deliver for the band out of studio?.... promotion? .... interviews?....he's a manipulative, and self-centred, lazy arrogant prick...all about him, not the team...
@@onepinkrose8731 You need to get a clue pal. Izzy wrote almost half of Appetite. And a quarter of the double album Illusions. You should just shut up when you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. Izzy is lazy cuz Axl said so? Piss on that total b.s.
I talked to Izzy the very night he left GNR, he rode up on his Harley Softail at the village pantry on 9th street in Lafayette IN. he got stopped by the train that was passing by. he parked in the parking lot and my good friend John new him. he said hello to him and introduced him to me. My older brother's best friend used to sell weed to him all through high school. I heard that from my brother and he laughed and said yeah man. then John asked him what's been going on with the band, he told us that they just played Chicago and then they were heading to Japan to film the concert but he wasn't going to be there, he said I quit". I said you quit"? GNR is one of the biggest bands in world right now, why would you quit? he said guns is going to be breaking up anyway, probably right after the Japan concert. I said then you should have stayed for that, then quit. he said, I was going to, but then when I got so close to home being in chicago, I decided I would just quit now and head home. I asked who is going to play guitar if your not there? he then said some great words about Gilby Clark. I could tell he liked him, thought he was a great guy and very good guitar player. I begged him to go back for the filming but he wasn't going to budge. I even told him all the fans would really want to see him in it, and it was just one more show, but he said I am not even positive they is going to be a show. they may not make it. Axl said he was tired of all the drugs and alcohol , he told me he was clean and been to rehab, but everyone else was out of control and they were not even seeing each other until right before the gigs, a lot of arguing and he wasn't wanting to be part of that another minute. I couldn't blame him. we all smoked a cigarette then the train cleared the tracks, he said I got to go, I'm heading to a friends house. he doesn't even know I'm coming. I didn't even know until I hit town. you guys take care. and he left. I saw his brother Joe riding his Izzy bike about a wk later but never seen Izzy again. he was a pretty cool guy tho. no ego and was really laid back. he didn't act any different than any guy that plays guitar in a local bar. I felt I met a real class act.
Awesome!! Thanks for sharing that story. Unlike the skeptic above me, I see no reason whatsoever to doubt this story. There's nothing unbelievable about it and nobody is gonna write a phony story in such detail unless it had some big benefit for them.
Jeffrey Dohnger just cause it was his last show doesn’t mean it was the one that made him leave. This Germany gig happened only a week before the Wembley one as well so he probably made up his mind before it.
I totally understand Izzy. You want to have a good time playing but then you never know if or when you will go on, totally without control. And when you're backstage and can't even *talk* to the guys in your band it's just psychological terror.
It's just sad that the greatest rock band of all time (in my opinion at least) went down like that. Purely dysfunctional. When they were their most successful they were their most dysfunctional. I think Izzy isn't part of the reunion for several reasons: money, being in the limelight again (which he doesn't seem to be fond of), GNR is bigger than life with so much crew and staff and equipment. Izzy is one of those unpretentious, soulful rock dudes who stays true to his craft without wanting the glitz and glamour of it. I'd love to see him with them again. GNR to me will always be those 5 guys. Everyone else is a stand in or extra.
No offense but I never understand that attitude towards the original lineup. Yes Appetite was awesome, but the band released more albums without that lineup than with, just the 1. Although to be fair they haven't actually released very many albums especially if CD is looked at as an Axl solo project which it really is since the lineup isn't consistent from track to track. I also don't think GNR can be considered one of the greatest rock bands of all time, favorite sure and I share your love for the music, but they only released 3 proper albums and one was a double album. To me a greatest needs to put out more material. It is very sad though, but some of these stories about Axl make him sound downright psychotic.
Daniel Jackson thank God for opinions. None of this is fact lol. It's just my opinion, no offense taken. They are to me the greatest band and those 5 are what constitute the soul and power of the band. Matt Sorum or Ferrer don't bring the same thing to my ears as Steven did. Izzy and his writing is incomparable. I fell in love with them in '87 and that's what's nostalgic to me. The number of albums or other stats are irrelevant to me. They were the first music I ever chose to listen to as a child, the first tape I begged my mom to buy for me. After 30 years they're still #1 in my playlist.
MegaCrasherMusic yep very true. Axl was a complete mental mess back then. I kinda wish he would write a book to hear his side of the story because I’ve read Slash’s, Duff’s, and Steven’s and they basically say the same thing about him. You’re right that the stars were aligned for them back then. They’re older, more mature, and sober so the same energy won’t be replicated. Also about the Illusions Records, a lot of those songs were written during or before Appetite. Goes to show they had so much magic and chemistry they were able to create a lot of amazing content during that time.
Appetite was pure magic. It that moment, those 5 rockers came together to make one of the best albums in rock history. At a time when most of the music world thought rock/metal was dead. Even if Izzy had stayed, they probably would have never recaptured that same energy. The other 4 were all on the fast track to self destruction. Lies was ok, but you can tell the money and success already destroyed whatever magic they had when making Appetite.
I agree how sad it was to see such a great band become dysfunctional and fall apart. Or should I say, watch Axl completely ruin it.. I personally don't consider them the greatest of all time by any stretch but they might have become very close to that, it's just such a pity that they were relatively short lived. I agree that everyone apart from the originals is just a fill in. Izzy was my favourite member and by far the coolest. Glad I saw them back in the day. Have no interest in the reunion that's currently happening.
First few albums are good. Songs are there but they lack the edge and drive that made GNR dangerous. Rick Richards is competent but he isn't Slash, and the rest of Izzy's bandmates don't bring anything special to the table either.
Izzy Stradlin=Professional?..... Really?... Well, in that case I have to thank God for the others being amateurs... a professional that contributes fuck all on stage, off stage, and as little as possible in the studio?... Hail the amateurs, that's what I say
@@onepinkrose8731 He wrote all of their best songs and played most of the guitar riffs. He was everything to that band on stage and off. Without him they ceased to matter almost immediately.
@Ben Phone yo stop talking shit about drummers. you cannot truly love rock music if you think drums aren't important. axl found out the hard way after his whole band left him
Agreed,but if you need to do that,it's already doomed,you shouldn't have to tell someone get rich,and be famous. There are others who will get the job done without all that.
There’s not even a close contest as to number one. People who knew him in indiana before he got big were aware from the start what a true prick this guy has been since the beginning. Always hated this band because of him
Irony being that when he played for another (more legendary) band and wasn't the boss there were no reported problems. Dude pulled his head in when someone else was in charge. Given what happened in Melbourne at the Thunderdome in '93 that's kind of amazing, from an Australian fan point of view.
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@@joeylyons4549 hate is an emotion that will eat you up.
This video probably is the best Guns doc I've ever seen, listened to or read & also one of the best Rock docs ever made. It completely defines for Me not only why Izzy left Guns but also what Rock n Roll means to Me. I hope all members of GnR see this doc because this could be the one thing that brought Axl back down to Earth fully & made Him see reality as it is. It would be great for Slash to see this now He's sober, although I'm sure by now that Slash understands why Izzy had to leave. If this doesn't help Axl find the humility He needs to balance His soul, nothing ever will. Guns were the best band that ever was & still could be. If only egos didn't get in the way.
I have tremendous respect for Izzy. You could tell from afar it was always all about the music for him. I bought his first solo album as soon as it came out. I knew it was going to be a special kind of record and it was.
They are all good albums. Solid, not necessarily for mass consumption. Fuck all that, good albums are very rarely pushed by the "industry". 14 years was a pretty amazing transparent commentary about the fall out of Jeff and Bill.
Go back and look at some old photos. You'll see lots of pics where Izzy has his guitar on him when no one else has their sticks or instruments. Not saying they're supposed to walk around with a bass or guitar all the time, lol. But it just showed that it was about creating music and playing for him. There would be interviews where he'd be playing guitar throughout too. Promo pics of the band together where he's playing or holding his guitar.
Just wanted to stay - there's a reason that when Izzy came back to help when Gilby couldn't play the fans chanted Izzy Izzy Izzy for several minutes when he came out. When he guested with velvet revolver they chanted Izzy Izzy again. He's the kind of guy that men and women both like and respect. Whether he is or isn't underrated, people like him. Period. And not to get too below the belt here but it's like that saying 'when women want to do you and guys want to be around you'.
Summer of 91 was my personal highlight of the Band. The worlds most dangerous band was back on road causing mayhem at every show. I think i got my tickets for the Wembley show late May early June of that year hearing the stories of the tour on mtv and rock magazines like Kerrang we didn't know what to expect for that show a 1hour set,3hour set a riot anything could of gone off but thankfully nothing did it was a great 2 hour show. Then the following week or so we got the news of Izzy quitting the band.For me that was a massive loss to the band such a shame Izzy brought just as much as any other to the table with his laid back,rhythm and songwriting skills . I was gutted i thought GNR was going to be my Rolling Stones but when Izzy left i kinda knew that was the death of the band.
+MasterRoshi69 STUDIO? Things can be re-done a thousand times...word by word, even - that's no barometer! The studio can even make Madonna sound like she can sing!
George kourou LCFC Steven Adler was the only orig missing but Matt Sorum was awsome,didnt do drugs,..Adler complained beca cuz he wanted bk in the band but he was so fucked up on herione still....Than when his opportunity came at the induction he refused....Oh well
By original band I mean the slash/axl/duff combo and not Axl's use of the name with all non original band members. If we want to get that technical we could say the appetite/lies lineup wasn't truly the original band either.
When you give up smack it takes a year or two to get your head right. Playing in a hard rock band where there is fighting and arguing and drinking isn't a place someone recovering wants to be around.
I never understood the whole drug use thing with rock bsnds and artists. For pity sake, there were enough of them dying from drugs , you'd think they'd figure it out. Morrison, Hendricks, Joplin, Keith Moon, Graham Parsons, John Bonham...there were so many others. It seems there is some unwritten law that says if you're in a rock band, you have to do drugs. I don't get it...
@@tomsmith5216 yeah i have always thought the same thing. I have always just assumed it is all of the fame and traveling on the road and having a weird life always on the road staying up till 3 am partying or writing music. It is possible to have a rock and roll lifestyle like that without drugs, but its extremely hard. Also, i think a huge contributor to the drugs is that most rock and rollers had a pretty flubberbucked up childhood/youth (from where they get all of their lyrics to their songs) which could have impacted them to do drugs.
@@tomsmith5216 - I think it’s a mix of things, but many creative professional use and abuse drugs (speaking from 1st hand experience). Sometimes it’s related to self-medicating a mental illness like ADHD or Bipolar Disorder. Sometimes it’s a rough childhood. Often it’s both. And of course, there’s a lot of pressure. Imagine staring at a blank piece of paper with deadline looming, and you have to produce something that people love. Then do that over and over again multiple times per week. Drugs provide an escape from all that. A couple hours of euphoria, where you can slow your racing thoughts and just exist without stressing. You also convince yourself that it helps with your creative process. And maybe occasionally it does help you draw outside the lines. But when it becomes frequent, you start to lose sight of the bigger picture, and your work suffers.
a truly great guitarist and song writer, its a shame he left the band, but to demote him as a bit player is pathetic, he was the heart and soul of the band.
The final straw was the contract that Axl tried to force on Izzy that would have demoted him to hired-hand status in the band Izzy had helped build. That, IMO, has a lot to do with Izzy's refusal to partake in the 2016 reunion. If his solo career is any indication, Izzy clearly does not need or want money - he just wants to know whether his old Indiana buddy would finally pull his head out of his ass and treat him with some dignity. The fact that Axl reportedly never even contacted Izzy about the reunion in the first place AND THEN spoke for him in the press probably rubbed Izzy the wrong way. Plus, Izzy hasn't really toured since 2000 and was clearly uncomfortable with the idea of Velvet Revolver being a huge band, so he probably wouldn't do the reunion - a huge commitment in and of itself - for anything less than an equal share of the money, which he definitely deserves as a key member of the band.
Phantasmagora those were allegations, Sid was just quoting what the allegations stated. I personally don’t believe in it. Axl said that had that been the case, then the contract would be legally invalid
Guns N' Roses Central - do you know if izzy was heavily involved in the creative process of the illussions albums or was he just going throug the motions.
You Izzy fans are too daft for you own good. You run in circles and contradict your dumbasses all the time. Now explain to me if izzy does n' t want or need money then why the fuck did n`t he take take whatever was offered to him ? and why did n't he do it "for the fans" ? how does it make sense in your head ?
I love your true stories Sidd! It's so much fun to watch the concerts and see these interactions happening. During the Germany show you can see when Axl introduces the band later in the set and points at Matt for his drum solo he tosses his mic way up in the air.
You can definitely notice a difference to what was once a distinctive sound after Izzy left. I never put my finger on what it was until this video though. Thanks for posting!
There really needs to be a movie about Guns N; Roses. They made movies for Def Leppard; NWA and Queen. I'm still waiting to see movies about GNR; Aerosmith; King's X, maybe even a movie about Soundgarden. There are so many great movies waiting to be made. So many amazing stories waiting to be told.
Until they completely stop touring I don't think you'll see it. There are a lot of things that they might have to leave out or debate whether they want to include and I think they might want to have made all they're big tour money by then.
I actually was at the Mannheim gig and also a couple of other GnR shows in 90s Germany. Always late, Axl suddenly disappearing as you said, far away from any professional performance. Audience in Mannheim was heavily annoyed yet peaceful. Nevertheless I am happy to have had the chance to see them in the 90s and they made up for this after the reunion, another time but professional performance now as it should be. Keep on rocking!
Izzy is a rock solid natural with an instinctual ability to write, execute and perform at an unusually high level. I used to hang with GnR just before they were signed and had a blast with all of them. Duff gave me a shout out on the Appetite for Destruction album.
Izzy won't get involved because it will drag up too many unpleasant emotions.. It'd be like climbing back into bed with an ex-girlfriend that treated you like shit.. they want it more than you do and you would feel used
Saw them twice at Wembley. My recollection is a *long* drum solo during which Matt stood up several times as if it was going to be over, everyone cheered and then he sat back down and carried on. At the time just seemed excessive but with hindsight was clearly them covering for some sort of backstage shenanigans. I was about 15 at the time so didn't realise what was happening. Best shows I ever went to though. Legendary.
Like most people I am sad that izzy is not a part of this reunion but I totally understand why he isn't, I mean there's things that have happened in my life with people from like 25 years ago and I still haven't forgiven them or forgot what they did or what happened, we have to live by the decisions we make, so I guess izzy does not wanna forgive and forget things that happened that he wasn't happy with when he was in GNR, I love Guns n Roses and have seen them live a few times and all of the original guys live on their solo tours, so I would love the original band to reform but i don't think it will happen because of how much izzy had been hurt/let down in the past, I respect izzy and Matt sorum for the way they both were willing to lose everything by sticking up for all the GNR fans and saying/doing what was right
Amazingly no one ever stakes out his house or anything. People are different in Lafayette than they are in LA of course, but people pay MUCH more attention to Shannon Hoon’s grave than they do Izzy’s house.
I was not a huge Metallica fan and only saw them to see Alice In Chains (who canceled). I have seen many, many concerts; I have to say Metallica were among the very best, if not the very best. Even songs I hadn't previously been impressed with were amazing live.
Even though Guns and Roses has been my favorite band my whole life , I have to agree with you totally. I was way more impressed with Metallica at that show. Especially since it was so soon after James' accident.
@@shiraz1736 Metallica was just getting big then. They blew up when the black album started selling. That came out in 91. GnR was a good bit bigger than Metallica back then.
BTW I saw Gn'R on this tour while Izzy was still in the band. The Tacoma Dome, in 91' or 92' Someone shot off a bottle rocket and Axl said "Sorry, I'm not getting shot at with fire works, Peace!" (I sympathize with Axl on this matter) I thought for sure there would be a riot, but he was back on stage in 5 minuetes. I can only say that it must have been what it was like going to a Rolling Stones concert back in the days when they routinly ended in riots. It was a volitile atmosphere I have never felt at a big arena rock show before.
Great video! By far my favourite GNR member. Such a great songwriter and his riffs were better than Slash's. I think if you looked into when Izzy sold his share of the band to Axl Slash and Duff would explain a whole lot why he isn't in the reunion.
Guns N Roses was the biggest thing close to the Beatles, When I see these videos I just realized that they could have been even bigger than they are now and back in 1991/92.
Can't believe they have few albums. They were soo big. Beatles had/has ultimate impact and record all the time, but they broked early too like Guns. And I think Guns is more closed to Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones. They got more hard rock and rock n roll spirit.
I saw Guns N Roses on July 29, 1991 / Inglewood Forum (IZZY) and October 3, 1992 / Pasadena Rose Bowl (GILBY). BOTH times *PHENOMENAL.* Izzy already made his money and was continuing to receive royalties to support himself without having to continue in the band...Izzy felt the negatives outweighed the positives.
Izzy did fly in for a soundcheck and left after. I'm guessing he felt that "LA Itch" of the needle just being around Axl again with all his BS and skipped town before he tripped again. Good for Izzy!!
@Scarpa96 Sounds to me like Axl is the one who can't commit to anything. He decides to be three hours late to his concert, for bs reasons? And that's just one of many episodes. And he just walks off the f'n stage whenever he gets his feelings hurt? If I were Izzy I'd have left earlier!
Izzy was a professional trapped in a monster rock n roll band that was immature at the top......at best. Izzy's solo album is in obstinance of everything live GNR was.
I was in one of those crowds waiting for Axl to get on stage at the Forum in L.A. Skidrow opened on time then the wait was on. When they finally got onstage I was dragging ass tired after working all Day and then driving in from San Bernardino. I remember Axl going into the intro to November rain and threatening to walk off if we were bored. After reading Slash’s book I can see why They broke up.
AGS 15 the point is, as Slash said in his book, he had all those people, including his own band, waiting on him while he was throwing one of his bullshit rockstar theme partys. That affected the crowd mood not to mention the roadies who had to tear down after the gig and get on to the next town. Don’t get me wrong, I saw them open up for the Stones a few years earlier at the LA coliseum and they were great and the same thing when they opened for Aerosmith. But at that point I thought AXL was taking the whole Rockstar thing too far. You don’t shit on your fans, they are the reason why you are there. As history showed, they weren’t around much longer after that’. That’s all I’m sayin
Glad you got to see a good performance from them earlier without being hacked off. If I was there I wouldn't have been able to enjoy the show after something like that. People have lives and Axl was acting like Louis XIV having the world wait on him and his spectical. Hope the opening band played well.
I think with Izzy it's not the money,It's still haunts him and thinks its been along time now let it be.He is happy and in a good state of mined .Sorry to quote a beatles song.
Much respect to Izzy. After Appetite (before, too), all gnr has going for it, is the hype from that debut carrying it all this time. It is the main source of their fame and it includes both Izzy and Steven. Without them two, their popularity may have carried over somewhat but it’s never been the same. What has axl’s ego done lately?!
Gotta correct you in that Use your Illusions 1 and 2 along with GNR lies had massive hits as well. For a kid maybe Appetite they heard of but fuck fuck fuck fuck.
thanks for the great video. Izzy was the heart and soul of that band. love that later that year - or the next he released Izzy Stadlin and the Ju Ju Hounds. Definitely my favorite blues rock album of the 90's.
The heart and soul of the band. 100% understand him for doing what he did - no one remotely normal would endure such nonsense and drama in their life. Axl apparently left the band every 3 days - Izzy said he left once, but from that point he was truly done for all times. And he left at the height of their popularity, which says to me he has principles. Legend.
There is something to be said about when a person cleans up off drugs and gets sober, they suddenly see their world in sharp focus. The last thing, I mean the VERY last thing you want is to be clean, but still living the same lifestyle as you were when you were a junkie. No wonder he left. I would've left too. Always look out for Number 1.
I saw them in Basel, Switzerland, on this tour I worked in the Hilton hotel as a dj they were staying there or at least some of them were, and Soundgarden were supporting who fw people wanted. Difficult to work out why they cut shows or start late after all the work that has been done to build the stage and the fans travelled to see them the bloody least they can expect is to get their show. I also saw them in Norway years later when just Axl was the only original member left because I got a cheap ticket fully expecting them to be crap but it was still a great show and started on time.
Great video and very informative. I met Izzy and chatted with him at a rehearsal studio during the time he was demo'ing tunes for what became the JuJu Hounds LP. Super mellow guy and very level-headed. Imagine you move across country to LA with your bud to play rock and roll and he morphs into a total drama queen douche; that's gotta be a pretty whompin' heartbreaker. My band a few years before that had Izzy's younger brother or cousin (or something lol) over to play a few times; he was trying to make it as a singer but for being one of the nicest people ever, and having Daltrey's "Who's Next" album cover hair, he was unfortunately not cut out for lead vocal duties. Wonder what Joe's up to nowadays.
Hi Sidd. It's in either Stephen Davis' Watch You Bleed or Mick Wall's The Most Dangerous Band in the World where is claimed that the intention to demote Izzy ( 13:10 ) occurred right before the Mannheim show. An improptu meeting was held backstage, tension was in the air..so if this claim really happened that night it's not surprising to see Axl throw his mic in the air during LALD, leave the stage and afterwards a pissed off Izzy kicking the hell out of that same abandoned poor mic.
I was in the army stationed in Mannheim. I was at the show he is talking about. NIN had a bunch of technical problems and got booed. G-N-R did come on really late. They came on about 3 hrs after the openers.
Honestly, it seems like Izzy and GnR suffered creative differences more than anything else. Mick Wall quoted Izzy as saying that the real reason he left was that it wasn't fun anymore. Nobody just sat around playing acoustic guitars anymore, messing around and coming up with songs. That sounds like the artistic process to me. The rest is just performance, and they had bitten off way more than they could chew in that department as well. He felt like an outcast in the band he'd helped to create. And being that Izzy gave us the most memorable parts of GnR, songs like You Could be Mine, that was the Death knell right there. Anything else feels unauthentic and vaguely unauthorized.
Izzy Stradlin and the Ju Ju Hounds is Absolutely one of the best off shots from G+R to date.Lucky enough to see them on a good night on “ AFD” w/“ Aerosmith “. Fucking flawless!! And that’s what makes these stories so hard to swallow, knowing what could of been.
Slash's Snakepit, Velvet Revolver, Slash Solo and anything with Miles Kennedy, Duff McKagan's Believe in Me solo album etc Even Gilby Clarkes Pawnshop Guitars - the dude that replaced Izzy, has a better Album than JuJu hounds. I bought EVERYTHING by Guns N' Roses - and EVERYTHING from the former original Members for years after. I realised that Slash was a MAJOR reason why I loved GNR. His Guitar work was 'epic' and can be heard in every Album he has released. What Izzy brought to GNR was lyrics and a solid rhythm for Axl's vocal, Slash's amazing Guitar work and even Duff's Bass playing to shine. Of course Steve Adler/Matt Sorums drums were solid too but if you go back and listen to AFD, Lies, UYI i/ii, you will hear predominantly Izzy's rhythm was unspectacular. That's not a 'negative' btw, he was the linchpin that kept the structure of the song going and allowed the likes of Slash and Duff to be more 'expressive', more dynamic. However, anyone with a decent Rhythm could step in and do that job. What GN'R lost though was Izzy as a song writer. The rest of the world have also voted with their wallets and Izzy certainly isn't as big selling as Slash or Velvet Revolver. I thought JuJu hounds was OK not brilliant...
BAMozzy Good Words Man. Really!! “Duffs” Bass kills me every time, I fuckin love it. “ SLASH’S” guitar has the most distinct tone around not to mention consistent. Axl’s a fuckin dick and that’s a shame cause I like ANY+ALL music they’ve ever released. “ IZZY” was the heart+soul. People only realize things are fucked when it implodes. Shame.
My opinion on why Izzy is not part of the NITLT tour is because he would have had to sign on as a hired gun instead of a full time member; they probably offered him a contract with terms that he did not feel honored him and his contributions to the band. It sucks for us fans, but I cannot blame him.. From what I know, Axl owns the rights to Gn'R and everyone else, including Duff and Slash, are hired on under contract. I heard mention that Duff is mainly doing this for Slash and is actually transferring some of his pay to Slash. Slash is far from broke, but he is going through a divorce and needs the money.
From what I gather, Axl, Slash, and Duff were the "Company" they wanted to "Hire" Izzy, as opposed to offering him an executive position. Which is silly, besides Axl, Izzy was the most important member of the band (Just slightly ahead of Slash and Duff) when Slash joined G n' R he was playing a wanker Jackson guitar and wearing lipstick as he had just auditioned for Poison. Izzy's sensibilities totally transformed Slash and allowed Duff to play up the Punk rock roots that they shared (Which Slash didn't have a clue about) Duff "Got it" but he was nowhere near the songwriter Izzy was, people don't realize how many of the songs on "Appetite" were Izzy Stradlin songs that the other members added input to. The old folktale about duff writing "it's so easy" is B.S. It was Izzy and Wes Arkeen, Duff just added the bass intro. "Jungle" was Izzy and Axl with the main riff added by Slash, "Paradise City" was the same thing, it was Izzy wanting to write a song that paid tribute to Hanoi Rocks (Notice the similarities between that song and "Back to Mystery City") then Slash added the heavy verse riff, which is not something Izzy would have written. Only "Sweet Child" was 100% Axl, Slash and Duff just added riffs and ideas here and there.
You just think of the amount of stress and anger he must have had to walk away from the fame and fortune of being a member of GNR. I cant say i blame him there's only so much a person can take.
Always loved GNR, their music got me through some tough shit! When I heard about adler, I actually cried! I was young but was so in love with that guy. To this day Steven adler is a sweetheart, I also really liked duff. If at the point November Rain had not came out, I probably would have all but given up on my favorite band. EVEN Though Axl Rose voice was and is so damn incredible, I knew he was an asshole! He was so beautiful as well....
I was right in front of center stage at this concert in Mannheim that day. I had only been at my duty station in Germany for a week or so and this was the first big concert I’d ever been to. As a poor barracks dwelling PV2 the ticket cost my entire paycheck plus some borrowed money. At that time we had all heard about Axl’s erratic behavior and I don’t think a single person in the crowd fell for the “technical difficulties” excuse. A full on riot was eminent, so much so that the air felt electric with anger and anticipation. I’d never felt anything like it before and haven’t since. It was at the very tip of the breaking point when Axl finally came back on stage with some people towards the back of the crowd already starting to destroy porta-potties and vendor tents. I don’t know how large the crowd was but it was only slightly smaller than the largest crowd I’ve ever been in; Super Rock which was at the same venue a few months later. Had that crowd turned into a riot it would have burned Mannheim to the ground.
DEFIANT ONE Lol yeah dude WTF.. This video has excellent content, but he narrated it like he was running late to a doctor's appointment and quick banged this out as he ran out the door or something.. It gets especially bad at the end like you said.
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Where do you put those 5 sold out shows at the FORUM in Los Angeles with Skid Row? Izzy was there, and so did I. I remember the last night they played for three hours thirty six minutes. finished passed 2:00 AM, Rose said it was their record at that time.
Izzy was absolutely awesome. He had his own style and was every bit a rock star icon as any of the other band members. It's noteworthy to point out that Axl was continuously involved in chick drama that affected him emotionally that he couldn't handle.
You know, something hit me. They were willing to make up a contract to fine Steven every time he did drugs again but they weren't willing to make up a contract to fine Axl every time he no showed, was late, left the stage and quit, or cancelled a show. Or a riot started due to his walking offstage and quitting or no-showing.
Saw GNR in a club in New York in '87 and they were incredible. louder than hell, like a freight train barreling through the place. Met Axl, Duff and Steven that night. I was only 18 at the time and it kicked my ass!
Having to wait 3 long hours for your front man to arrive at such a huge rock concert must have been an absolute nightmare for the rest of the band. Truly terrifying.
Right… and WTAF was Axle doing for 2-3 hours per show? Talk about creating anxiety for nothing. No wonder there was no sobriety
Yeah I mean I didn't used to think it was that big of a deal but after you've dealt with riots I can see why you might be really nervous. Oh - and looking at it from his coworkers perspectives - the musicians were not like the crew. The crew was at least getting overtime pay. But the band wasn't getting paid anything more for waiting three to four hours sitting on their asses with nothing to do. That's extremely unfair because Axl was essentially working less hours than they were. Izzy mentioned that if he wanted to go on four hours late then he should pay the fines. Which really isn't an unreasonable thing to say. If the show went past a certain time they were supposed to stop so they'd have to go longer and pay fines for it. It would especially make me mad if I were Izzy and I was being told my pay was going to be docked for not moving around stage enough, lol. I'd be like 'consider it even when I have to sit and wait for four hours at the venue backstage and can't do or go wherever I want. Sorry but after I've been here forever waiting on you while you were sleeping in your hotel room or watching a movie I'm actually tired and not revitalized like you, lol.'. And all that extra money they were having to pay the crew was eating into their profits. I think Duff said they ended up only taking in 20% but it should have been much more. But between the overtime union wages for the crew, the fees for going later, the wild expensive after parties etc. They ended up making a lot less. I used to feel like man, Izzy - why did you have to go? But I totally understand considering all that now.
Izzy’s playing gave GnR its swing, it’s swagger. GnR were never the same after he left.
Gilby acts like hes awesome but really. hes a sub. not the real shit. kinda of a joke. its sad. i would never act like him he wasnt there for the real GnR he didnt write anything
They haven’t done a lot since he left.
GNR went shit after Izzy left
His solo stuff shoes how good he is.
Written by Izzy and axle... The majority of songs were written by Izzy and axle.. But we all have to face facts Izzy and the juju hounds sucked bad...
Ironically, Izzy's decision to leave the band was no different than the thousands of fans that were fed up with GNR's superstar antics. Unfortunately, once he left the band they would never be the same. He was such an integral part of the band's success and great songwriting. 🎶 🎸
so was steven.
@@modifidious666 boutta reply the same thing
@@modifidious666 Hell Yes, Adler was Kickass!
You really have to hand it to Izzy. The guy has principals, to get sober and turn your back on the biggest band in the world in the midst of all of that is fucking commendable. AND that is why even tho GnR are still trucking along he must be THEE most respected member. (at least by original fans)
* - “principles” 😉
No everyone just thinks he's a broke clown
@@adamlands4019 He wrote a ton of their stuff. He's not broke.
Adam Lands -- you speak for "everyone?" Your comment is unfair and flat-out stupid. Stradlin had admitted that he had alcohol abuse issues, and, that the rock 'n roll lifestyle made it difficult for him to stay sober. So, he left the scene, for his own health and to achieve sobriety. Most rational, fair-minded people rightfully find this conduct to be admirable and laudable. Only a fool would call someone like this a "clown." And, Stradlin is far from "broke," genius -- he receives fat royalty checks from sales of all GNR material produced when he was a member.
But they weren't making any money at the time
Izzy was the man in GN'R. Steven Adler was super underrated too. The band sucked big time after they were replaced.
The juju hounds rock!
dont get me wrong i like him but you are kidding yourself...without Axl Izzy prob starves to death in some LA back alley.
@@mooknick242 I heard one of the reason he left was because of the heroin use within the band and the pushing of it on him to make the band easier to control, so he may have ended up in a dark alley if he had stayed
@@MyName-pl7zn i believe that, and i liked the JuJu Hounds cd, im an Izzy fan all day.
@@mooknick242 cool cool, guns and roses should have gone on, they made some awesome music but egos and drugs got them in the end. At least we got some fantastic songs for a time
Izzy did the right thing by leaving the band.
100%
I agree
After listening to Appetite for the first time, I clearly remember saying," They won't top this album."
Izzy was the key that started the GnR machine. I can't blame him for leaving.
They topped Appetite with UYI
@@Okkvltify they didn't top it. They made a good follow up, but everyone even they know nothing could beat afd.
Izzy and the JuJu Hounds is such a great record. Every fan should give it a listen.
Very, very good album.
It is
Damnit.....now I gotta check it out.
Curse you
Lizzy stayed at a hotel I worked at here in the UK a few years ago. He is a very down to earth guy and very friendly. I think him leaving the band was why they broke up--he was the Axl whisperer--and once he stopped being the middle man--things fell apart
Absolutely. However, his ability to communicate with Axl had already broken down when he decided to go. Axl pulled away from him which was the worst thing for both of them. They were the only completely sober ones in the band at the time so it would have been great if he could have hung out with Axl. But he became extremely difficult to talk to and reason with and started listening to all the wrong people who didn't have his best interest at heart. After he tried to demote Izzy that was the coffin. When he almost didn't show up for a show and there were cops ready in riot gear and guns, etc. in case a riot broke out since one had before - that was the nail. I just hate how everyone blames Izzy for the band eventually breaking up or falling apart. I'll admit I kind of felt like that for a brief moment then thought more of it and realized how ridiculous it had become. Axl going to Paris and canceling the show at the last minute while they were all where they should be ready to go on. Not only did he blow off the show but he gets to enjoy Paris while we're stuck here? That's pretty shitty. Still a fan but it wasn't just that Izzy got sober'. It was mostly Axl. He would no longer communicate with Izzy so then no one else could communicate with him through Izzy.
In my opinion Izzy was the heart and soul of GNR!
This is truth. There is always someone in every band who goes unsung for what they contribute to the sound and feel, just because they dont carry stage presence or their mixed into the background or whatever. With the Rolling Stones I honestly dont believe Bill Wyman got his dues. He was one of the reasons the Stones were so fucking funky. Izzy was another with GnR. GnR would not have been as high octane funky without Izzy, he's one of those guys you dont really notice when he's there, but you sure fucking know it when he's not. Thats the definition of the soul of a band.
Um IDK about that
Meh a band is never one guy...i know people wont agree..but its a unit....melody rythym harmony.....you need all three to make music.....and its often egos that cripple great bands
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@moorejames moorejames Wrong dude, check your facts
The #1 cause for an addict to relapse is stress, and triggers , when a person gets and stays clean those 2 things are avoided like a plague. Axl s not commitment and ego mixed with slash and duffs substane abuse is whe he has not joined gnr. Without izzys input in their songwriting i dont think there can be another authentic gnr album
Izzy didn't do the "reunion" because the paycheck wouldn't be split evenly! I don't consider it a reunion if 2/3rds of the original members STILL aren't in the band!
Two thirds is 66%.
@Joel Veedler They had female background vocalists as well.
Its always greed in every band. They start out as all equal , then fame ,greed, friendship is gone....To me Izzy always stayed true to his roots, stood his ground, and kept his pride...
@Joel Veedler Gilby played only on "Spaghetti Incident". Sadly he was fired. Then "the hired guns" came: Buckethead, Paul Huge (co-writer on "Back off Bitch"), Robin Finck... Matt was the successor of Steven, and left by his own choice in 1997. Steven and Slash were not founding members either.
I agree, but it was still a good show in Pittsburgh and one of the last good nights I had with my ex girlfriend, but no Steven and Izzy it isn’t a true reunion
Izzy wrote ALL GnR's best songs once he left there was very little remaining.
NO SHIT!
no shit😁
That’s not true axle Rose and Izzy both wrote the majority of the music. Did you hear is his music without actual Rose and GNR it was awful check it out it was called is a Izzy Stradlin and the juju hounds
@@williamrose7184 speak for yourself, Izzy rocks alone!
Yup
@ Guns N' Roses Central: Thanks for the post. Guns N' Roses has always been like a Greek tragedy to me. One of the greatest bands of all-time just imploding at the height of their success. If Guns N' Roses had resolved all their issues, I honestly believe they could have been even bigger.
Elijah Scott agreed
G N' R became a different band after Steven and Izzy left. That classic rhythm section was the heart and soul of G N' R -- the driving force that made everything else possible. Can't blame Izzy for not wanting to put up with Axl's prima donna attitude anymore. A person can only take so much before enough is enough.
As a recovering alcoholic / addict myself, I can understand Izzy if that is one motivation to NOT involve himself with the reunion. You need to remove yourself from your old environment and associates in order to maintain your sobriety. I know that Slash is also in recovery and now sober, (not sure about Duff or any other members) but it would still be the same people and situations that might trigger a relapse. If that is Izzy's motivation, then i applaud him. Recovery is not easy... but if it just has to do with him not wanting to deal with Axl, I also understand that. I paid for two GnR tickets in my teenage years, and both shows were a major disappointment. Once, Axl walked off stage after 3 songs, and the second time a few members were so loaded that they just sounded awful (Axl was one of those members that time as well.) I wish Izzy the best and hope the band does better this time around.
How is your recovery going? I hope you are still clean and living life good!
Its quite amazing how time changes things, Axl is not who he was at all. The entire "Not in this lifetime" tour he has been professional and put forth an amazing performance. On stage on time every time and they play like the band that Izzy wanted them to be, If they decide to record an album after the tour I hope Izzy is involved.
MrRuger1977 slash and duff are hired guns and not full members.
He needed the money.
Too little too late. He can’t just undo all the damage he did in the past. I’m glad to see him being a better person and all, but he has to live with his past.
@@geekverve Well I won’t speak for you but I think most of us have skeletons in the closet and I would hope that our future behavior will diminish or eliminate past mistakes.
@@MrRuger1977 Yeah I have to agree with you. You are not judged by your past unless you have people like Geek Verve in your life who won't let you forget. We've all fucked up and we will all fuck up again, it's just that Axl Rose did it for the world to see. He's no more or less a human being than anybody else is. He puts his pants on one leg at a time and takes a shit every morning. Normal stuff really. I think when people live in their past it sort of places a backwards projector on to their future which is entirely counter productive.
Izzy has publishing income from the first four albums, that's huge. No need to take anything else seriously when you have that. It must be better than your average mega millions lotto ticket.
@Josh Weaver Hard to write gritty rock songs about loss, hunger, and being down-trodden when your world changes to steak dinners and Ferraris.
@American Fuel TV Did I SAY he didn't work for it? Go take your meds.
@American Fuel TV He didn't work for it... not like the others did... in the studio he delivered a minimal contribution, and what did he deliver for the band out of studio?.... promotion? .... interviews?....he's a manipulative, and self-centred, lazy arrogant prick...all about him, not the team...
@@onepinkrose8731 You need to get a clue pal. Izzy wrote almost half of Appetite. And a quarter of the double album Illusions. You should just shut up when you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. Izzy is lazy cuz Axl said so? Piss on that total b.s.
Hes worth $28 million, im sure he`ll be fine?
I talked to Izzy the very night he left GNR, he rode up on his Harley Softail at the village pantry on 9th street in Lafayette IN. he got stopped by the train that was passing by. he parked in the parking lot and my good friend John new him. he said hello to him and introduced him to me.
My older brother's best friend used to sell weed to him all through high school. I heard that from my brother and he laughed and said yeah man. then John asked him what's been going on with the band, he told us that they just played Chicago and then they were heading to Japan to film the concert but he wasn't going to be there, he said I quit". I said you quit"?
GNR is one of the biggest bands in world right now, why would you quit? he said guns is going to be breaking up anyway, probably right after the Japan concert. I said then you should have stayed for that, then quit. he said, I was going to, but then when I got so close to home being in chicago, I decided I would just quit now and head home. I asked who is going to play guitar if your not there? he then said some great words about Gilby Clark. I could tell he liked him, thought he was a great guy and very good guitar player. I begged him to go back for the filming but he wasn't going to budge. I even told him all the fans would really want to see him in it, and it was just one more show, but he said I am not even positive they is going to be a show. they may not make it. Axl said he was tired of all the drugs and alcohol , he told me he was clean and been to rehab, but everyone else was out of control and they were not even seeing each other until right before the gigs, a lot of arguing and he wasn't wanting to be part of that another minute. I couldn't blame him. we all smoked a cigarette then the train cleared the tracks, he said I got to go, I'm heading to a friends house. he doesn't even know I'm coming. I didn't even know until I hit town. you guys take care. and he left. I saw his brother Joe riding his Izzy bike about a wk later but never seen Izzy again. he was a pretty cool guy tho. no ego and was really laid back. he didn't act any different than any guy that plays guitar in a local bar. I felt I met a real class act.
You are a lucky man sir!
thebluesrockers sorry, not buying it. It’s easy to make stuff up on the internet.
Awesome!! Thanks for sharing that story. Unlike the skeptic above me, I see no reason whatsoever to doubt this story. There's nothing unbelievable about it and nobody is gonna write a phony story in such detail unless it had some big benefit for them.
Syclone0044 I’m just saying it’s easy to make stuff up. Unless he has proof I’m not buying it.
Jeffrey Dohnger just cause it was his last show doesn’t mean it was the one that made him leave. This Germany gig happened only a week before the Wembley one as well so he probably made up his mind before it.
I totally understand Izzy. You want to have a good time playing but then you never know if or when you will go on, totally without control. And when you're backstage and can't even *talk* to the guys in your band it's just psychological terror.
lol
This was Axl's way of staying in control of everyone else. Typical sociopath.
Not a good situation and it was happening constantly with AXL
Axel can kiss my ass
Ray Rivera k
It's just sad that the greatest rock band of all time (in my opinion at least) went down like that. Purely dysfunctional. When they were their most successful they were their most dysfunctional. I think Izzy isn't part of the reunion for several reasons: money, being in the limelight again (which he doesn't seem to be fond of), GNR is bigger than life with so much crew and staff and equipment. Izzy is one of those unpretentious, soulful rock dudes who stays true to his craft without wanting the glitz and glamour of it. I'd love to see him with them again. GNR to me will always be those 5 guys. Everyone else is a stand in or extra.
No offense but I never understand that attitude towards the original lineup. Yes Appetite was awesome, but the band released more albums without that lineup than with, just the 1. Although to be fair they haven't actually released very many albums especially if CD is looked at as an Axl solo project which it really is since the lineup isn't consistent from track to track. I also don't think GNR can be considered one of the greatest rock bands of all time, favorite sure and I share your love for the music, but they only released 3 proper albums and one was a double album. To me a greatest needs to put out more material. It is very sad though, but some of these stories about Axl make him sound downright psychotic.
Daniel Jackson thank God for opinions. None of this is fact lol. It's just my opinion, no offense taken. They are to me the greatest band and those 5 are what constitute the soul and power of the band. Matt Sorum or Ferrer don't bring the same thing to my ears as Steven did. Izzy and his writing is incomparable. I fell in love with them in '87 and that's what's nostalgic to me. The number of albums or other stats are irrelevant to me. They were the first music I ever chose to listen to as a child, the first tape I begged my mom to buy for me. After 30 years they're still #1 in my playlist.
MegaCrasherMusic yep very true. Axl was a complete mental mess back then. I kinda wish he would write a book to hear his side of the story because I’ve read Slash’s, Duff’s, and Steven’s and they basically say the same thing about him. You’re right that the stars were aligned for them back then. They’re older, more mature, and sober so the same energy won’t be replicated. Also about the Illusions Records, a lot of those songs were written during or before Appetite. Goes to show they had so much magic and chemistry they were able to create a lot of amazing content during that time.
Appetite was pure magic. It that moment, those 5 rockers came together to make one of the best albums in rock history. At a time when most of the music world thought rock/metal was dead. Even if Izzy had stayed, they probably would have never recaptured that same energy. The other 4 were all on the fast track to self destruction. Lies was ok, but you can tell the money and success already destroyed whatever magic they had when making Appetite.
I agree how sad it was to see such a great band become dysfunctional and fall apart. Or should I say, watch Axl completely ruin it.. I personally don't consider them the greatest of all time by any stretch but they might have become very close to that, it's just such a pity that they were relatively short lived. I agree that everyone apart from the originals is just a fill in. Izzy was my favourite member and by far the coolest. Glad I saw them back in the day. Have no interest in the reunion that's currently happening.
Nice video.
Everyone should do themselves a favour and download some of Izzy's albums. Ju Ju Hounds, 117*, River are amazing.
I've never heard his solo work. One day maybe.
Daniel Jackson Can always check it out on RUclips...
Damn right. Love his solo work.
JuJu Hounds was a great album, really dug it. Have heard various singles since. Always thought Izzy was the heart and soul of GN'R.
First few albums are good. Songs are there but they lack the edge and drive that made GNR dangerous. Rick Richards is competent but he isn't Slash, and the rest of Izzy's bandmates don't bring anything special to the table either.
I mean... fireworks though. Hard to pass up a good fireworks show.
I met your crazy murdering cousin, Steve Flagg.
Cool video, I think izzy just couldnt be arsed with the boys being junkies and axl being a megalomaniac. He had enough.
Nailed it.
Izzy Stradlin=Professional...
I think Steven was the worst out of the original when it came to drugs
Farhan Mckinnons re-read my comment, I said ONE of the worst, not THE worst
chase nowt Yup100%!!!
Izzy Stradlin=Professional?..... Really?... Well, in that case I have to thank God for the others being amateurs... a professional that contributes fuck all on stage, off stage, and as little as possible in the studio?... Hail the amateurs, that's what I say
@@onepinkrose8731 He wrote all of their best songs and played most of the guitar riffs. He was everything to that band on stage and off. Without him they ceased to matter almost immediately.
UNSUNG HERO of the band, especially from a writing standpoint.
Always believed it was the beginning of the end when Izzy left
Actarus Golgot probably the end of the band. The band wouldn't be the same after he left
As a drummer I completely agree with Matt. Sometimes a swift kick in the arse is all someone needs to get their head in the game.
Hivolt Arc ohh your well hard... Back those sticks and stay behind the band you fuckin gremlin, nobody looks at you for good reason.
You know it dude. If I was Matt, after I got my hands on Axl 1 time his bullshit would have ended.
@Ben Phone yo stop talking shit about drummers. you cannot truly love rock music if you think drums aren't important. axl found out the hard way after his whole band left him
Agreed,but if you need to do that,it's already doomed,you shouldn't have to tell someone get rich,and be famous.
There are others who will get the job done without all that.
He got a shitty deal....this band was so full of dope n ego...it was destined to implode
What a great little mini-doc. Thanks a lot for producing this.
We played with Stephen Adler a few years ago, A class act Axl Rose well, you be the judge.
When you say "the biggest asshole in Rock n Roll History" Axl has got to be in the top 10 list.
There’s not even a close contest as to number one. People who knew him in indiana before he got big were aware from the start what a true prick this guy has been since the beginning. Always hated this band because of him
Irony being that when he played for another (more legendary) band and wasn't the boss there were no reported problems. Dude pulled his head in when someone else was in charge.
Given what happened in Melbourne at the Thunderdome in '93 that's kind of amazing, from an Australian fan point of view.
@@joeylyons4549 hate is an emotion that will eat you up.
That has to be a very long list of divas with humongous egos 🥱
Top 5
They were trying to doc his pay because he wouldn’t ‘move around’ on stage like Axl and Slash. He didn’t need too, Izzy was the eye of the Hurricane.
This video probably is the best Guns doc I've ever seen, listened to or read & also one of the best Rock docs ever made. It completely defines for Me not only why Izzy left Guns but also what Rock n Roll means to Me. I hope all members of GnR see this doc because this could be the one thing that brought Axl back down to Earth fully & made Him see reality as it is. It would be great for Slash to see this now He's sober, although I'm sure by now that Slash understands why Izzy had to leave. If this doesn't help Axl find the humility He needs to balance His soul, nothing ever will. Guns were the best band that ever was & still could be. If only egos didn't get in the way.
From the gutters of Hollywood to the biggest stars in the world something was bound to give it sucks but in the words of Steven Adler it is what it is
When your singer is such a PITA that you can't wait to leave one of the biggest bands in rock history.
I have tremendous respect for Izzy. You could tell from afar it was always all about the music for him. I bought his first solo album as soon as it came out. I knew it was going to be a special kind of record and it was.
They are all good albums. Solid, not necessarily for mass consumption. Fuck all that, good albums are very rarely pushed by the "industry". 14 years was a pretty amazing transparent commentary about the fall out of Jeff and Bill.
Go back and look at some old photos. You'll see lots of pics where Izzy has his guitar on him when no one else has their sticks or instruments. Not saying they're supposed to walk around with a bass or guitar all the time, lol. But it just showed that it was about creating music and playing for him. There would be interviews where he'd be playing guitar throughout too. Promo pics of the band together where he's playing or holding his guitar.
Just wanted to stay - there's a reason that when Izzy came back to help when Gilby couldn't play the fans chanted Izzy Izzy Izzy for several minutes when he came out. When he guested with velvet revolver they chanted Izzy Izzy again. He's the kind of guy that men and women both like and respect. Whether he is or isn't underrated, people like him. Period. And not to get too below the belt here but it's like that saying 'when women want to do you and guys want to be around you'.
Izzy is brilliant!! God, what a musician.. I think he's amazing.
I didn't know this, I gotta say I got mad respect for Izzy! 🤘🏻😍🤘🏻I think Izzy is possible still hurting that's why he won't rejoin the band.
I gave you a thumbs up. One of your most informative videos on Izzy and the band. Good work man
Summer of 91 was my personal highlight of the Band. The worlds most dangerous band was back on road causing mayhem at every show. I think i got my tickets for the Wembley show late May early June of that year hearing the stories of the tour on mtv and rock magazines like Kerrang we didn't know what to expect for that show a 1hour set,3hour set a riot anything could of gone off but thankfully nothing did it was a great 2 hour show. Then the following week or so we got the news of Izzy quitting the band.For me that was a massive loss to the band such a shame Izzy brought just as much as any other to the table with his laid back,rhythm and songwriting skills . I was gutted i thought GNR was going to be my Rolling Stones but when Izzy left i kinda knew that was the death of the band.
Why the original 5 have not done a show yet is shocking it would be awesome i would even fly to the US from UK to see that show.
+MasterRoshi69 STUDIO? Things can be re-done a thousand times...word by word, even - that's no barometer! The studio can even make Madonna sound like she can sing!
Even Axl admitted NWA were easily more dangerous than GnR
George kourou LCFC Steven Adler was the only orig missing but Matt Sorum was awsome,didnt do drugs,..Adler complained beca cuz he wanted bk in the band but he was so fucked up on herione still....Than when his opportunity came at the induction he refused....Oh well
They never wrote another hit song after Izzy left. The only album the original band did after he left was a cover album.
Which was also amazing!! By the way!!
Robert Jones matt sorum replaced Steven Adler on the use the illusion albums. The last album with the original lineup was gnr lies
By original band I mean the slash/axl/duff combo and not Axl's use of the name with all non original band members. If we want to get that technical we could say the appetite/lies lineup wasn't truly the original band either.
Robert Jones yeah but we were talking albums
Robert Jones Obviously Stradlin was the real song writer
When you give up smack it takes a year or two to get your head right. Playing in a hard rock band where there is fighting and arguing and drinking isn't a place someone recovering wants to be around.
I never understood the whole drug use thing with rock bsnds and artists. For pity sake, there were enough of them dying from drugs , you'd think they'd figure it out. Morrison, Hendricks, Joplin, Keith Moon, Graham Parsons, John Bonham...there were so many others. It seems there is some unwritten law that says if you're in a rock band, you have to do drugs. I don't get it...
@@tomsmith5216 yeah i have always thought the same thing. I have always just assumed it is all of the fame and traveling on the road and having a weird life always on the road staying up till 3 am partying or writing music. It is possible to have a rock and roll lifestyle like that without drugs, but its extremely hard. Also, i think a huge contributor to the drugs is that most rock and rollers had a pretty flubberbucked up childhood/youth (from where they get all of their lyrics to their songs) which could have impacted them to do drugs.
@@tomsmith5216 one example of no drugs no party just straight rock is twisted sister
@@infinitehologram6477 And drugs being readily available, too
@@tomsmith5216 - I think it’s a mix of things, but many creative professional use and abuse drugs (speaking from 1st hand experience). Sometimes it’s related to self-medicating a mental illness like ADHD or Bipolar Disorder. Sometimes it’s a rough childhood. Often it’s both.
And of course, there’s a lot of pressure. Imagine staring at a blank piece of paper with deadline looming, and you have to produce something that people love. Then do that over and over again multiple times per week.
Drugs provide an escape from all that. A couple hours of euphoria, where you can slow your racing thoughts and just exist without stressing. You also convince yourself that it helps with your creative process. And maybe occasionally it does help you draw outside the lines. But when it becomes frequent, you start to lose sight of the bigger picture, and your work suffers.
Duffs lines at the beginning of sweet child are so relaxing to Play.
Justin Nardine bump n grind!
Was he connected to Duff beer?
My favorite bass line to play.
This is the best video you've ever done,friend.......and you did it for St.Izzy..Well Played ,Sir:)
thanks Ryan!
fans can't win by choosing sides, after he left Izzy said it best in his lyrics "if you see those ole friends out there, tell 'em that I send my love"
a truly great guitarist and song writer, its a shame he left the band, but to demote him as a bit player is pathetic, he was the heart and soul of the band.
The final straw was the contract that Axl tried to force on Izzy that would have demoted him to hired-hand status in the band Izzy had helped build. That, IMO, has a lot to do with Izzy's refusal to partake in the 2016 reunion. If his solo career is any indication, Izzy clearly does not need or want money - he just wants to know whether his old Indiana buddy would finally pull his head out of his ass and treat him with some dignity. The fact that Axl reportedly never even contacted Izzy about the reunion in the first place AND THEN spoke for him in the press probably rubbed Izzy the wrong way. Plus, Izzy hasn't really toured since 2000 and was clearly uncomfortable with the idea of Velvet Revolver being a huge band, so he probably wouldn't do the reunion - a huge commitment in and of itself - for anything less than an equal share of the money, which he definitely deserves as a key member of the band.
was it ever confirmed that Axl tried to demote him?
It's in your video around the 13-minute mark. Aren't those his words starting at 12:50?
Phantasmagora those were allegations, Sid was just quoting what the allegations stated. I personally don’t believe in it. Axl said that had that been the case, then the contract would be legally invalid
Guns N' Roses Central
- do you know if izzy was heavily involved in the creative process of the illussions albums or was he just going throug the motions.
You Izzy fans are too daft for you own good. You run in circles and contradict your dumbasses all the time. Now explain to me if izzy does n' t want or need money then why the fuck did n`t he take take whatever was offered to him ? and why did n't he do it "for the fans" ? how does it make sense in your head ?
I love your true stories Sidd! It's so much fun to watch the concerts and see these interactions happening. During the Germany show you can see when Axl introduces the band later in the set and points at Matt for his drum solo he tosses his mic way up in the air.
Brock Jorgy Media thanks
Incredible. Can you imagine Axl sitting in the van? Literally he knew it was a life and death situation after the other riots he caused.
You can definitely notice a difference to what was once a distinctive sound after Izzy left. I never put my finger on what it was until this video though. Thanks for posting!
There really needs to be a movie about Guns N; Roses. They made movies for Def Leppard; NWA and Queen. I'm still waiting to see movies about GNR; Aerosmith; King's X, maybe even a movie about Soundgarden. There are so many great movies waiting to be made. So many amazing stories waiting to be told.
True👍.
Until they completely stop touring I don't think you'll see it. There are a lot of things that they might have to leave out or debate whether they want to include and I think they might want to have made all they're big tour money by then.
I actually was at the Mannheim gig and also a couple of other GnR shows in 90s Germany. Always late, Axl suddenly disappearing as you said, far away from any professional performance. Audience in Mannheim was heavily annoyed yet peaceful. Nevertheless I am happy to have had the chance to see them in the 90s and they made up for this after the reunion, another time but professional performance now as it should be. Keep on rocking!
That's why they call it Mr. Brown stone slash says use to do a little but a little got more and more...
Izzy is a rock solid natural with an instinctual ability to write, execute and perform at an unusually high level. I used to hang with GnR just before they were signed and had a blast with all of them. Duff gave me a shout out on the Appetite for Destruction album.
Izzy made the right move, smart man.
Izzy won't get involved because it will drag up too many unpleasant emotions.. It'd be like climbing back into bed with an ex-girlfriend that treated you like shit.. they want it more than you do and you would feel used
Maddy Ferrari Izzy won’t join back cuz of the loot and fuck him for that.
TheCloudyGuy agreed. It shouldn’t be about the money.
Maddy Ferrari well Izzy’s a dumbass then, he needs to except that things are different, all the band members have changed for the better
@@ItsMrBuckethead Izzy has every right to make his own decision - to stay away. Great example of integrity over lust for limelight.
Saw them twice at Wembley. My recollection is a *long* drum solo during which Matt stood up several times as if it was going to be over, everyone cheered and then he sat back down and carried on. At the time just seemed excessive but with hindsight was clearly them covering for some sort of backstage shenanigans. I was about 15 at the time so didn't realise what was happening.
Best shows I ever went to though. Legendary.
Like most people I am sad that izzy is not a part of this reunion but I totally understand why he isn't, I mean there's things that have happened in my life with people from like 25 years ago and I still haven't forgiven them or forgot what they did or what happened, we have to live by the decisions we make, so I guess izzy does not wanna forgive and forget things that happened that he wasn't happy with when he was in GNR, I love Guns n Roses and have seen them live a few times and all of the original guys live on their solo tours, so I would love the original band to reform but i don't think it will happen because of how much izzy had been hurt/let down in the past, I respect izzy and Matt sorum for the way they both were willing to lose everything by sticking up for all the GNR fans and saying/doing what was right
BRANDON DOHERTY Izzy wants equal pay as Axl that's why he isn't part of the tour.
TheCloudyGuy yeah I did read about that, that obviously didn't help, I just think there is more to it
@@ItsMrBuckethead No he just hates touring.
Amazingly no one ever stakes out his house or anything. People are different in Lafayette than they are in LA of course, but people pay MUCH more attention to Shannon Hoon’s grave than they do Izzy’s house.
Huge G N' R fan but when Metallica and Faith No More opened up for them in Orlando (1992?) Metallica stole the whole show. Hands down.
That is interesting..I saw that same tour in Pittsburgh and Faith No More ABSOLUTELY was the best band there that day.
Metallica opened for GnR , really?
I was not a huge Metallica fan and only saw them to see Alice In Chains (who canceled). I have seen many, many concerts; I have to say Metallica were among the very best, if not the very best. Even songs I hadn't previously been impressed with were amazing live.
Even though Guns and Roses has been my favorite band my whole life , I have to agree with you totally. I was way more impressed with Metallica at that show. Especially since it was so soon after James' accident.
@@shiraz1736 Metallica was just getting big then. They blew up when the black album started selling. That came out in 91. GnR was a good bit bigger than Metallica back then.
BTW I saw Gn'R on this tour while Izzy was still in the band. The Tacoma Dome, in 91' or 92' Someone shot off a bottle rocket and Axl said "Sorry, I'm not getting shot at with fire works, Peace!" (I sympathize with Axl on this matter) I thought for sure there would be a riot, but he was back on stage in 5 minuetes. I can only say that it must have been what it was like going to a Rolling Stones concert back in the days when they routinly ended in riots. It was a volitile atmosphere I have never felt at a big arena rock show before.
Great video! By far my favourite GNR member. Such a great songwriter and his riffs were better than Slash's. I think if you looked into when Izzy sold his share of the band to Axl Slash and Duff would explain a whole lot why he isn't in the reunion.
Guns N Roses was the biggest thing close to the Beatles, When I see these videos I just realized that they could have been even bigger than they are now and back in 1991/92.
Can't believe they have few albums. They were soo big.
Beatles had/has ultimate impact and record all the time, but they broked early too like Guns. And I think Guns is more closed to Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones. They got more hard rock and rock n roll spirit.
Slow down. Take a breathe after every sentence. Give each one a bit of space. Sounds so rushed its hard to keep up!
I saw Guns N Roses on July 29, 1991 / Inglewood Forum (IZZY) and October 3, 1992 / Pasadena Rose Bowl (GILBY). BOTH times *PHENOMENAL.* Izzy already made his money and was continuing to receive royalties to support himself without having to continue in the band...Izzy felt the negatives outweighed the positives.
Rifle Twist I was at the forum show awesome 👏
Izzy def. ain't about the money, he's about playing music and staying sober now, both of which are impossible for him around Axl.
Still can't believe they all couldn't get on the stage for a couple of songs at 30th anniversary of Appetite For Destruction.
Izzy did fly in for a soundcheck and left after. I'm guessing he felt that "LA Itch" of the needle just being around Axl again with all his BS and skipped town before he tripped again. Good for Izzy!!
FUNERAL BILL II it was slash and duff to, not just Axl
@Scarpa96 Sounds to me like Axl is the one who can't commit to anything. He decides to be three hours late to his concert, for bs reasons? And that's just one of many episodes. And he just walks off the f'n stage whenever he gets his feelings hurt? If I were Izzy I'd have left earlier!
You've apparently never been in a band.
1:39 - "Bits of sausage on stage" lmao
Although none of my bands over the years made it like GnR, I've been through some of the crap Izzy talks about. Even quit bands because of it, too.
Haha same.. played in a few bands and been on both ends of it. Yep, im embarrased to admit it but i have been booted for being a prick lol
Izzy was the heart of the band.
He dropped the mic like a gangster.
Nice video.
Izzy was a professional trapped in a monster rock n roll band that was immature at the top......at best. Izzy's solo album is in obstinance of everything live GNR was.
I was in one of those crowds waiting for Axl to get on stage at the Forum in L.A. Skidrow opened on time then the wait was on. When they finally got onstage I was dragging ass tired after working all Day and then driving in from San Bernardino. I remember Axl going into the intro to November rain and threatening to walk off if we were bored. After reading Slash’s book I can see why They broke up.
Steven Valdez but he still finished the show so what’s the problem?
AGS 15 the point is, as Slash said in his book, he had all those people, including his own band, waiting on him while he was throwing one of his bullshit rockstar theme partys. That affected the crowd mood not to mention the roadies who had to tear down after the gig and get on to the next town. Don’t get me wrong, I saw them open up for the Stones a few years earlier at the LA coliseum and they were great and the same thing when they opened for Aerosmith. But at that point I thought AXL was taking the whole Rockstar thing too far. You don’t shit on your fans, they are the reason why you are there. As history showed, they weren’t around much longer after that’. That’s all I’m sayin
Steven Valdez well just be thankful he’s matured
Glad you got to see a good performance from them earlier without being hacked off. If I was there I wouldn't have been able to enjoy the show after something like that. People have lives and Axl was acting like Louis XIV having the world wait on him and his spectical. Hope the opening band played well.
I think with Izzy it's not the money,It's still haunts him and thinks its been along time now let it be.He is happy and in a good state of mined .Sorry to quote a beatles song.
Much respect to Izzy. After Appetite (before, too), all gnr has going for it, is the hype from that debut carrying it all this time. It is the main source of their fame and it includes both Izzy and Steven. Without them two, their popularity may have carried over somewhat but it’s never been the same. What has axl’s ego done lately?!
So Shotgun blues and Coma were just hype?? Some of there later songs were actually better.
Gotta correct you in that Use your Illusions 1 and 2 along with GNR lies had massive hits as well. For a kid maybe Appetite they heard of but fuck fuck fuck fuck.
@@adamrandall5163 Shotgun Blues is hillbilly.
@@adamrandall5163 Coma is great. Shotgun blues is not bad.
thanks for the great video. Izzy was the heart and soul of that band. love that later that year - or the next he released Izzy Stadlin and the Ju Ju Hounds. Definitely my favorite blues rock album of the 90's.
Dude you died years ago didn't you, Steve Kramer of the walets out of Minneapolis ?!!
I'd take Izzy with Duff and Slash over Axl any day and Izzy's solo records over the GnR stuff after he left.
Frank Bama his records didnt do well. Axl wrote the songs n the voice. He was the main draw. Don’t know what you’re talking about dude.
@@davidneumann2705 axle sounded like tickle me Elmo.
The Velvet Revolver shit is good stuff!
@@davidneumann2705 I’m talking about my personal preferences, I never said anything about record sales. Reading is fundamental, dude.
The heart and soul of the band. 100% understand him for doing what he did - no one remotely normal would endure such nonsense and drama in their life. Axl apparently left the band every 3 days - Izzy said he left once, but from that point he was truly done for all times. And he left at the height of their popularity, which says to me he has principles. Legend.
Listen to Izzy & the Ju Ju Hounds...excellent stuff!
If anyone gets a chance read Duffs book "its so crazy." awesome stories
Axel was the reason most people listened and the reason most people stopped.
If Izzy is not in GnR there is no GnR.
Great video ...love this historical izzy stories !!
thanks!
There is something to be said about when a person cleans up off drugs and gets sober, they suddenly see their world in sharp focus. The last thing, I mean the VERY last thing you want is to be clean, but still living the same lifestyle as you were when you were a junkie. No wonder he left. I would've left too. Always look out for Number 1.
I saw them in Basel, Switzerland, on this tour I worked in the Hilton hotel as a dj they were staying there or at least some of them were, and Soundgarden were supporting who fw people wanted. Difficult to work out why they cut shows or start late after all the work that has been done to build the stage and the fans travelled to see them the bloody least they can expect is to get their show. I also saw them in Norway years later when just Axl was the only original member left because I got a cheap ticket fully expecting them to be crap but it was still a great show and started on time.
You should stop interrupting yourself, it's rude
Great video and very informative. I met Izzy and chatted with him at a rehearsal studio during the time he was demo'ing tunes for what became the JuJu Hounds LP. Super mellow guy and very level-headed. Imagine you move across country to LA with your bud to play rock and roll and he morphs into a total drama queen douche; that's gotta be a pretty whompin' heartbreaker.
My band a few years before that had Izzy's younger brother or cousin (or something lol) over to play a few times; he was trying to make it as a singer but for being one of the nicest people ever, and having Daltrey's "Who's Next" album cover hair, he was unfortunately not cut out for lead vocal duties. Wonder what Joe's up to nowadays.
I think Joe might be one of his brothers.
Hi Sidd. It's in either Stephen Davis' Watch You Bleed or Mick Wall's The Most Dangerous Band in the World where is claimed that the intention to demote Izzy ( 13:10 ) occurred right before the Mannheim show. An improptu meeting was held backstage, tension was in the air..so if this claim really happened that night it's not surprising to see Axl throw his mic in the air during LALD, leave the stage and afterwards a pissed off Izzy kicking the hell out of that same abandoned poor mic.
Papatorrejano If "Watch You Bleed" is as good as "Hammer Of The Gods" or "Jim Morrison:Life, Death, Legend" I'll definitely have to give it a read.
Respect for Izzy. Upstanding guy.... he did the right thing
I was in the army stationed in Mannheim. I was at the show he is talking about. NIN had a bunch of technical problems and got booed. G-N-R did come on really late. They came on about 3 hrs after the openers.
Nin>>>>>>>gnr
inutero10 ikr even with technical difficulties
Honestly, it seems like Izzy and GnR suffered creative differences more than anything else. Mick Wall quoted Izzy as saying that the real reason he left was that it wasn't fun anymore. Nobody just sat around playing acoustic guitars anymore, messing around and coming up with songs. That sounds like the artistic process to me. The rest is just performance, and they had bitten off way more than they could chew in that department as well. He felt like an outcast in the band he'd helped to create. And being that Izzy gave us the most memorable parts of GnR, songs like You Could be Mine, that was the Death knell right there. Anything else feels unauthentic and vaguely unauthorized.
Izzy Stradlin and the Ju Ju Hounds is Absolutely one of the best off shots from G+R to date.Lucky enough to see them on a good night on “ AFD” w/“ Aerosmith “. Fucking flawless!! And that’s what makes these stories so hard to swallow, knowing what could of been.
Slash's Snakepit, Velvet Revolver, Slash Solo and anything with Miles Kennedy, Duff McKagan's Believe in Me solo album etc Even Gilby Clarkes Pawnshop Guitars - the dude that replaced Izzy, has a better Album than JuJu hounds.
I bought EVERYTHING by Guns N' Roses - and EVERYTHING from the former original Members for years after. I realised that Slash was a MAJOR reason why I loved GNR. His Guitar work was 'epic' and can be heard in every Album he has released. What Izzy brought to GNR was lyrics and a solid rhythm for Axl's vocal, Slash's amazing Guitar work and even Duff's Bass playing to shine. Of course Steve Adler/Matt Sorums drums were solid too but if you go back and listen to AFD, Lies, UYI i/ii, you will hear predominantly Izzy's rhythm was unspectacular. That's not a 'negative' btw, he was the linchpin that kept the structure of the song going and allowed the likes of Slash and Duff to be more 'expressive', more dynamic. However, anyone with a decent Rhythm could step in and do that job. What GN'R lost though was Izzy as a song writer.
The rest of the world have also voted with their wallets and Izzy certainly isn't as big selling as Slash or Velvet Revolver. I thought JuJu hounds was OK not brilliant...
BAMozzy Good Words Man. Really!! “Duffs” Bass kills me every time, I fuckin love it. “ SLASH’S” guitar has the most distinct tone around not to mention consistent. Axl’s a fuckin dick and that’s a shame cause I like ANY+ALL music they’ve ever released. “ IZZY” was the heart+soul. People only realize things are fucked when it implodes. Shame.
My birthday too! August 21st, Leo are badass!
I totally agree with Izzy. I quit going to GNR shows because of Axl!
My opinion on why Izzy is not part of the NITLT tour is because he would have had to sign on as a hired gun instead of a full time member; they probably offered him a contract with terms that he did not feel honored him and his contributions to the band. It sucks for us fans, but I cannot blame him.. From what I know, Axl owns the rights to Gn'R and everyone else, including Duff and Slash, are hired on under contract. I heard mention that Duff is mainly doing this for Slash and is actually transferring some of his pay to Slash. Slash is far from broke, but he is going through a divorce and needs the money.
they are a weird ass bunch!Blue Oyster Cult come off as nice boys from LOng Islans compared to this lot...
Axl already tried to force Izzy via contract to hired-gun status in 1991. Clearly, to Izzy, nothing has changed.
Axl is under contract too. The executive producers rule, they decide really. Duff was low of money too.
From what I gather, Axl, Slash, and Duff were the "Company" they wanted to "Hire" Izzy, as opposed to offering him an executive position. Which is silly, besides Axl, Izzy was the most important member of the band (Just slightly ahead of Slash and Duff) when Slash joined G n' R he was playing a wanker Jackson guitar and wearing lipstick as he had just auditioned for Poison. Izzy's sensibilities totally transformed Slash and allowed Duff to play up the Punk rock roots that they shared (Which Slash didn't have a clue about) Duff "Got it" but he was nowhere near the songwriter Izzy was, people don't realize how many of the songs on "Appetite" were Izzy Stradlin songs that the other members added input to. The old folktale about duff writing "it's so easy" is B.S. It was Izzy and Wes Arkeen, Duff just added the bass intro. "Jungle" was Izzy and Axl with the main riff added by Slash, "Paradise City" was the same thing, it was Izzy wanting to write a song that paid tribute to Hanoi Rocks (Notice the similarities between that song and "Back to Mystery City") then Slash added the heavy verse riff, which is not something Izzy would have written. Only "Sweet Child" was 100% Axl, Slash and Duff just added riffs and ideas here and there.
jspanos500 I highly doubt that. Axl doesn’t do that shit anymore
You just think of the amount of stress and anger he must have had to walk away from the fame and fortune of being a member of GNR. I cant say i blame him there's only so much a person can take.
Always loved GNR, their music got me through some tough shit! When I heard about adler, I actually cried! I was young but was so in love with that guy. To this day Steven adler is a sweetheart, I also really liked duff. If at the point November Rain had not came out, I probably would have all but given up on my favorite band. EVEN Though Axl Rose voice was and is so damn incredible, I knew he was an asshole! He was so beautiful as well....
You are nuts, Blondie.
I was right in front of center stage at this concert in Mannheim that day. I had only been at my duty station in Germany for a week or so and this was the first big concert I’d ever been to. As a poor barracks dwelling PV2 the ticket cost my entire paycheck plus some borrowed money. At that time we had all heard about Axl’s erratic behavior and I don’t think a single person in the crowd fell for the “technical difficulties” excuse. A full on riot was eminent, so much so that the air felt electric with anger and anticipation. I’d never felt anything like it before and haven’t since. It was at the very tip of the breaking point when Axl finally came back on stage with some people towards the back of the crowd already starting to destroy porta-potties and vendor tents. I don’t know how large the crowd was but it was only slightly smaller than the largest crowd I’ve ever been in; Super Rock which was at the same venue a few months later. Had that crowd turned into a riot it would have burned Mannheim to the ground.
Dude, work on your delivery. Are you in a rush to finish the damn video?
DEFIANT ONE Lol yeah dude WTF.. This video has excellent content, but he narrated it like he was running late to a doctor's appointment and quick banged this out as he ran out the door or something.. It gets especially bad at the end like you said.
Cocaine is a hell of a drug LOL
Why, yes! he's got to get on to the next one!
Thank you, I so agree. His reading is horrible
I slowed it down, but it was a much longer video 🤣
Damn.....I love me some gunners but a whole channel devoted to them....I am not worthy, your level of devotion is strong grasshopper! Good work!
thanks! Check out our podcast interviews! We've interviewed a number of people associated with the band including Dizzy Reed, Teddy Andreadis, Doug Goldstein, Vicky Hamilton, ETC.
Where do you put those 5 sold out shows at the FORUM in Los Angeles with Skid Row? Izzy was there, and so did I. I remember the last night they played for three hours thirty six minutes. finished passed 2:00 AM, Rose said it was their record at that time.
Great video and congrats on 15K !!
Izzy was absolutely awesome. He had his own style and was every bit a rock star icon as any of the other band members. It's noteworthy to point out that Axl was continuously involved in chick drama that affected him emotionally that he couldn't handle.
You know, something hit me. They were willing to make up a contract to fine Steven every time he did drugs again but they weren't willing to make up a contract to fine Axl every time he no showed, was late, left the stage and quit, or cancelled a show. Or a riot started due to his walking offstage and quitting or no-showing.
Saw GNR in a club in New York in '87 and they were incredible. louder than hell, like a freight train barreling through the place. Met Axl, Duff and Steven that night. I was only 18 at the time and it kicked my ass!
Hi Joeythebabykangaroo,
it was just about the best time to see them live, but meet them too?
You lucky, lucky bastard!!!!
Cheers,
Si.
Was tha at The Ritz ??