Played basketball against Tyler Warren in high school and that dude is an insane athlete. Caught an alley oop and then stepped out for a 3 within the first 5 minutes of the game. Shoutout Mechanicsville VA
In the future, do you think you could include some objective rating on the screen (perhaps what round grade you have on them) so we can see if someone is good or just good relative to their position group. I.e. QB3 meant a lot more last year than this year.
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One thing not mentioned: Loveland played 2024 with a shoulder injury since week 3 vs Arky St. I am biased since I am a Michigan fan, but Loveland has the best hands and an elite catch radius that any QB in the NFL could throw to. God help us if he falls to the Chiefs.
@ just like a normal suburban area tbh. it’s right outside of Richmond, VA. there are some rural areas outside of town, but most people think of the main road that sort of runs through the whole town and leads up to the Richmond Raceway
I’m personally all in on Fannin Jr, and I’d take him in the late 1st if I were a GM. But I do have worries that the NFL will struggle to find him a proper fit. One place I’d love to see him go is Chicago, because Ben Johnson is just so good at taking unique talents and finding cool uses for them
The case with Harold Fannin Jr is it depends on which organization he goes to. I think Likely ended up going to the best organization for developing TEs in the league, and ended up with an OC that is really good with designing plays centered around his players strengths. If Fannin Jr goes to a team that struggles with the pass game and they want to use him just as an inline TE, he will likely struggle. I'm in on Fannin Jr, but his landing spot will play a major role in whether he goes off or not.
Ravens barely even use Likely. It’s criminal. He needs to get the hell out of Baltimore. He could be a #2 option in a lot of offenses. Definitely better than Andrews at this point. Should have thrown that last ball to him, he wouldn’t have blown the game with a bad drop.
Hey Trevor, excited for your rankings on off ball LBs, please take a look at guys like Demetrius Knight Jr and a sleeper guy like Eugene Asante for Auburn, would like him to be put on the map and put on the Bucs radar for the draft, love your guys stuff
You asked for feedback. When I watched Harold Fanin's college tape I noticed how he takes those wide steps. It reminded me of Marshawn Lynch who was so tough to tackle for this very reason. You have to wonder - is Fanin's strange footwork his way of maintaining his balance in traffic?
I went to high school with Gavin Bartholomew and man is he a beast. I feel bad for him because the Pitt passing offense was horrible his sophomore year and he has really never gotten the targets he deserves. I’m sure people will remember his hurdle week 1 in 2022. That was in his first collegiate game. The combine should help him out a lot
I been hyping Tyler Warren since Trev had him at like 120 on the PFF big board, if this guy somehow makes it to 30-32 on the board I'd have no problem with my Commanders snatching him, sucks that Singleton went back I thought he' be a great addition too.
Great stuff fellas! Ok. Haven’t dug into the film, but from the optics and production, is there any similarity of Harold Fannin Jr. to Delanie Walker? He was undersized, but just so crazy productive. Greg Roman used him, and Arthur Smith under Vrabel. Very intrigued to see where Fannin lands. What do you think?
Harold Fannin Jr is a baller. YAC, Route running is good, he’s not a perfect blocker, but will get in there and mix it up (did it again Abdul Carter against Penn State). the projection is much better if you can nail down his role & how a team will use him. but i think he can play inline, not to the level of other guys in this class, still effective enough. i have a 2nd round grade on him & he’s only gonna get better
Harold Fannin is Shannon Sharpe to the tee. Similar build, stiffness in the hips, great buildup speed. Creates separation with head nods, ect...very similar guys.
So I was waiting to watch this so I can do my own TE rankings and then compare. But OMG ALL these TE's dont block hard. they stand out at WR to much, nobody runs in and accross the field this is just a tight end group that I only would draft Warren, Helm, Loveland, Lachey and maybe Ferguson. because I know they are gonna block their butts off and they are my soild go to recieveing options on big down.
Another good jake brinigstool comp imo could be Justin Shorter. Raiders signed him off waivers this year and converted him into being brock bowers backup at that Split-End role.
WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE KENYON SADIQ NEXT YEAR. Absolute freak of nature. Highly rated top 100 recruit, similar story to Loveland. Put up insane numbers in Idaho, doing everything in high school. Oregon coaches have compared his playing style and ability to Brock Bowers. The way he can move. He’s the guy who hurdled the Penn State defender and ran in for a TD In the Big 10 title game. Scored twice in that one. Won’t surprise me in the least if he’s the TE1 next year. Great blocker too.
Hey fellas, When you do these in the future, could mention for each if they are day 1, 2 or 3 projections? Knowing a guy is 5th best at their position, still a day 3 would be helpful 😂
LOVE THE INTRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If Jets can’t get Mason Graham or Abdul Carter I wanna trade down for Carter Warren.
With how high Bryson Nesbit was ranked in the Summer (especially for Connor), I'm curious what you guys think of him now, or if him getting Drake Maye- level QB play in the pros could re-awaken your previous evaluation!!
@@PlumbNumbsI'll never forget SF taking Cam latu ahead of him.... Just to cut him before the end of his rookie contract. Shortly after drafting a terrible kicker.
Wdym you don’t know where Oscar Delp got more eligibility from? He’s only 21, & a true junior lol. He will be entering his senior year this year. You phrased it like he’s been in college forever or is old
My Guy: John Michael Gyllenborg TE Wyoming- Late round pick but i think he could develop. Good receiver, has the body frame to develop into a blocker. Run too straight up. Comp: Scott Chandler
Kuithe from Utah is injury ridden in his career but he has been a stud his whole career. And he was TE1 over former first round pick Dalton Kincaid when they were on the same roster during Kincaids draft year.
interesting convo going on in fantasy -- given trend toward 12 perseonnel & run game vs. two-high, we need TEs to be able to be on the field as much as possible, be a blocker so viable for play action and red zone packages -- like if you are a move guy/pass-catcher you for sure need to be better than a good slot WR (Bowers) or you will perhaps struggle to have coaches use you as ,much as we want and lose snaps (Pitts) -- makes me more cautious on Fannin
When you say a guy is xth percentile in a stat, what is the pool? Like is it collegiate, in the draft class, or out of players who have played in the NFL (which is how I normally read it)
13:11 I grew up in Columbus and played against Luke, he went to a camp and pretty much competed against Joe Royer for an OSU Tight End offer at a camp and lost, that’s why he didn’t get it
Just went through every single comment on this video and haven’t seen anyone mention BSU TE Matt Lauter. He’s a tad undersized but imo shined as the only other capable offense weapon next to Ashton Jeanty. I decent but not amazing blocker as well. Think the tape is at least worth the watch
TE's Bust at an Extremely Extremely High Rate. They usually don't come on til at least year 5 which they are now Free Agents. So in terms of Draft Picks. Sure you can name a few guys I'm wrong but mainly they bust 99.9%. Iowa TEs usually hit is the exception
@PlumbNumbs I've definitely done some research wondering if he may get traded tbh. Just because Ben Johnson's uses TE and FB interchangable and a lot so... Now, he takes the Talent he has and he did great with Detroit's TE Hawk. Who is Kmet's mold. But outside of that expect a lot of move Blocking TEs to come in. I can drop you a link going through how Ben Johnson Schemes if ya want. Pretty dope
@@AnthonyJones-j6g So I call bust something pry nobody else does. If you draft a guy and pay him 4-5 years, and he doesn't become good until year 5-6-7. That's a Bust pick. Now, the player may not be a bust. But TEs (until this year 🤣🤷) was taking until year 5 to be good. So why draft em? Go sign guys after their 1st deal when they start to become good. Give you a guy Bears did that with. Martellus Bennett. He had flashed a little his last yr in Dallas I think 🤔. Bears sign him and he's a great TE the next 5 years.
Intro is literally just the "what happened to the game I love?" meme
But so on point.
Where are the neck rolls on TE?
We used to be a nation...
Played basketball against Tyler Warren in high school and that dude is an insane athlete. Caught an alley oop and then stepped out for a 3 within the first 5 minutes of the game. Shoutout Mechanicsville VA
In the future, do you think you could include some objective rating on the screen (perhaps what round grade you have on them) so we can see if someone is good or just good relative to their position group. I.e. QB3 meant a lot more last year than this year.
We are working on stuff like this! Will hopefully have some more detail in final position rankings
@@TampaBayTreawesome love the constant improvement of the show keep up the good work guys!
That opening bell never gets old!
It’s literally best in the business people need to talk about it more because you’re absolutely right
As a Chargers fan, I've been waiting for this video!!
Tyler Warren would be a perfect fit for you guys
Me too bro ⚡️, don’t be bummed if we don’t get one of the top 2 guys this class looks stacked
I want Tyler Warren to go there so bad. We are!
@@Nicholas5c if we can't land Tyler Warren, give me Harold Fannine Jr.
Jim's guy, Colston Loveland
What a time to be alive
Tyler Warren TE1, baby! Can't wait to see the IOL & IDL vids.
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Go rebs
I'll keep it a buck with you guys, imma need those LB and CB rankings ASAP
That intro was fire.
shit came from the heart. Meant every word 😭😭
Gunnar Helm is definitely my guy. Love the way he plucks it and runs nasty after the catch.
Hope he becomes the heir apparent to Kittle
I agree, I think he’s on par with Colston Loveland from a film perspective.
One thing not mentioned: Loveland played 2024 with a shoulder injury since week 3 vs Arky St.
I am biased since I am a Michigan fan, but Loveland has the best hands and an elite catch radius that any QB in the NFL could throw to. God help us if he falls to the Chiefs.
He wont
He’ll be a Charger. Reunited with Harbaugh.
Chiefs wouldn’t take him anyways they have other needs plus they extended Noah Gray
I’ve been waiting for this video. Thanks.
Watching the intro, thinking to myself, "So, Trevor just wants the next Cade Otton."
I'm trying to be a future NFL scout and GM and I love watching you guys and listening to your guy's breakdowns
As a guy who grew up in Mechanicsville, VA, I cannot say I expected the guys to spotlight Mechanicsville on the pod lol
What’s the town like?
@ just like a normal suburban area tbh. it’s right outside of Richmond, VA. there are some rural areas outside of town, but most people think of the main road that sort of runs through the whole town and leads up to the Richmond Raceway
From 6th grade history class to now. Go gettem Tyler, rep Atlee baby 🔥
Didn’t expect to hear Mechanicsville being talked about today
I saw this drop and got way too excited...
Really nice Tight End class
I’m personally all in on Fannin Jr, and I’d take him in the late 1st if I were a GM. But I do have worries that the NFL will struggle to find him a proper fit.
One place I’d love to see him go is Chicago, because Ben Johnson is just so good at taking unique talents and finding cool uses for them
Guys Trent Baalke was finally fired 🥹
Rip, alas we never liked ye
As a 9ers fan, I want to tell jags fans that it will get better.... They probably already knew that... Also, enjoy Robert Saleh...... Phuckers
As a Colts fan, this does not make me happy!
So many future potential (albeit emergency) podcast hosts.
Would really love to hear for the final positional rankings who you think the best team fit for the player is
The mark andrews memorial pod
You can always count on a little bit of this from the boys.
63% of Warren's catches were 1st downs.. that's kinda nuts
Fannin Jr reminds me of Chig Okonkwo. Undersized for the tight end position, but a great receiving option.
The case with Harold Fannin Jr is it depends on which organization he goes to. I think Likely ended up going to the best organization for developing TEs in the league, and ended up with an OC that is really good with designing plays centered around his players strengths. If Fannin Jr goes to a team that struggles with the pass game and they want to use him just as an inline TE, he will likely struggle. I'm in on Fannin Jr, but his landing spot will play a major role in whether he goes off or not.
Ravens barely even use Likely. It’s criminal. He needs to get the hell out of Baltimore. He could be a #2 option in a lot of offenses. Definitely better than Andrews at this point. Should have thrown that last ball to him, he wouldn’t have blown the game with a bad drop.
Are these separation percentages in comparison to just other TEs or is it including WRs and RBs as well?
I love Mason Taylor. He has great timing and consistency on routes. The guy would do great in a Rams offensive scheme
These boys have not seen their family for weeks! You've got to respect it
Let’s go! Excited for it
Hey Trevor, excited for your rankings on off ball LBs, please take a look at guys like Demetrius Knight Jr and a sleeper guy like Eugene Asante for Auburn, would like him to be put on the map and put on the Bucs radar for the draft, love your guys stuff
That might have been the most animated intro they've ever done 😂
You asked for feedback. When I watched Harold Fanin's college tape I noticed how he takes those wide steps. It reminded me of Marshawn Lynch who was so tough to tackle for this very reason. You have to wonder - is Fanin's strange footwork his way of maintaining his balance in traffic?
2:12 I mean Oscar Delp was only a 2022 recruit this will be his 4th year.
No “pause” on the “tush push weapon” is flagrant lmao
Wow way to break my heart with Gadsden right off the bat😂. I'm taking care of dishes and my girlfriend is in the kitchen and even heard it.
Podcast listening while doing dishes is what the ELITES do
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@connorjrogers I was so happy a video was uploaded a few minutes before I started! Elite timing!
I went to high school with Gavin Bartholomew and man is he a beast. I feel bad for him because the Pitt passing offense was horrible his sophomore year and he has really never gotten the targets he deserves. I’m sure people will remember his hurdle week 1 in 2022. That was in his first collegiate game. The combine should help him out a lot
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I been hyping Tyler Warren since Trev had him at like 120 on the PFF big board, if this guy somehow makes it to 30-32 on the board I'd have no problem with my Commanders snatching him, sucks that Singleton went back I thought he' be a great addition too.
I’m very hyped on Harold Fannin.
I like to think you pronounce Iowa’s Luke “Lockey”lol. Sounds like an all-time name.
If we could get a highlight even just one play that continues to run throughout the players time on the video that would change lives.
Great stuff fellas! Ok. Haven’t dug into the film, but from the optics and production, is there any similarity of Harold Fannin Jr. to Delanie Walker? He was undersized, but just so crazy productive. Greg Roman used him, and Arthur Smith under Vrabel. Very intrigued to see where Fannin lands. What do you think?
Harold Fannin Jr is a baller. YAC, Route running is good, he’s not a perfect blocker, but will get in there and mix it up (did it again Abdul Carter against Penn State). the projection is much better if you can nail down his role & how a team will use him. but i think he can play inline, not to the level of other guys in this class, still effective enough. i have a 2nd round grade on him & he’s only gonna get better
Trevor in the opening is literally me on NCAA dynasty
I think you guys are probably overthinking fannin. Just scheme to his strengths and watch the yards add up 😂
Lemme get Harold #1 overall
THIS IS SICK!!!!!!
Fannin Jr would be fun in that Bengals offense.
Yeah, Harold Fannin Jr is straight up one of the most interesting players this draft, on so many levels.
@TampaBayTre You mentioned Oronde Gadsden as TE15; is there any possibility you might evaluate him as a WR instead?
No bro Mason Taylor is going to be so nice I really hope chargers get him
Thoughts on Kole Taylor, the West Virginia TE?
Fantasy wise are you taking Warren or Loveland?
Harold Fannin is Shannon Sharpe to the tee. Similar build, stiffness in the hips, great buildup speed. Creates separation with head nods, ect...very similar guys.
Lol. We’ll see. Pretty lofty comparison.
Based on what the Jets did with Mecole Hardman, it was obvious that Malachi Corely was drafted to fail.
Commenting every vid til yall fix the steelers
So I was waiting to watch this so I can do my own TE rankings and then compare. But OMG ALL these TE's dont block hard. they stand out at WR to much, nobody runs in and accross the field this is just a tight end group that I only would draft Warren, Helm, Loveland, Lachey and maybe Ferguson. because I know they are gonna block their butts off and they are my soild go to recieveing options on big down.
Love the intro
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4. Helm
3. Fannin Jr
2. Loveland
1. Warren
Who is both Taylors
You guys should check out John Michael Gyllenborg out of Wyoming. He moves pretty well and could be an early day 3 pick.
Where are y’all going to rank bryson nesbit? I know he was on y’all’s summer scouting tight end video
Question (haven’t watched the vid yet)
Is Tyler Warren better, about the same or much worse than Beock Bowers as a prospect?
Tyler Warren………….
YOU! ARE AN INDIANAPOLIS COLT. 😤😤😤
Another good jake brinigstool comp imo could be Justin Shorter. Raiders signed him off waivers this year and converted him into being brock bowers backup at that Split-End role.
For the Hawks Gunnar Helm is my guy. idk if they take him but hes the guy i like
WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE KENYON SADIQ NEXT YEAR.
Absolute freak of nature. Highly rated top 100 recruit, similar story to Loveland. Put up insane numbers in Idaho, doing everything in high school. Oregon coaches have compared his playing style and ability to Brock Bowers. The way he can move. He’s the guy who hurdled the Penn State defender and ran in for a TD In the Big 10 title game. Scored twice in that one.
Won’t surprise me in the least if he’s the TE1 next year. Great blocker too.
Broncos fan here. I would love to see Fannin Jr in Payton’s scheme.
can you guys do edge payers next?
Hey fellas,
When you do these in the future, could mention for each if they are day 1, 2 or 3 projections? Knowing a guy is 5th best at their position, still a day 3 would be helpful 😂
This is a sneaky position that my team might need.
Is Hawes like the Tip Reiman of the 2025 draft?
Could arroyo play h back/full back ?
LOVE THE INTRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If Jets can’t get Mason Graham or Abdul Carter I wanna trade down for Carter Warren.
Carter Warren???
Check out Mason Tharp, 6 FOOT 9 TE out of Texas Tech, very limited production, but thought he was an intriguing UDFA prospect
With how high Bryson Nesbit was ranked in the Summer (especially for Connor), I'm curious what you guys think of him now, or if him getting Drake Maye- level QB play in the pros could re-awaken your previous evaluation!!
Never forget, darnell Washington and nflse putting him in r1 all mock season 😂. Warren looks like he could be great though...
He’s every bit of the blocker I thought he’d be! The receiver part… I’ll never give up 😂
Didn’t most all mock draft professionals put him in the first too? I think I remember being surprised he went so late
@@PlumbNumbsI'll never forget SF taking Cam latu ahead of him.... Just to cut him before the end of his rookie contract. Shortly after drafting a terrible kicker.
Mistakes have been made
need a Fix the bears with the Ben Johnson hire... Please?
Wdym you don’t know where Oscar Delp got more eligibility from? He’s only 21, & a true junior lol. He will be entering his senior year this year.
You phrased it like he’s been in college forever or is old
My Guy: John Michael Gyllenborg TE Wyoming- Late round pick but i think he could develop. Good receiver, has the body frame to develop into a blocker. Run too straight up. Comp: Scott Chandler
Elite nickname “The GyBorg” (CiBorg)
Kuithe from Utah is injury ridden in his career but he has been a stud his whole career. And he was TE1 over former first round pick Dalton Kincaid when they were on the same roster during Kincaids draft year.
What about Josh Simon for South Carolina, good size and RB like athletic ability
interesting convo going on in fantasy -- given trend toward 12 perseonnel & run game vs. two-high, we need TEs to be able to be on the field as much as possible, be a blocker so viable for play action and red zone packages -- like if you are a move guy/pass-catcher you for sure need to be better than a good slot WR (Bowers) or you will perhaps struggle to have coaches use you as ,much as we want and lose snaps (Pitts) -- makes me more cautious on Fannin
Did Stowers go back to school
a full episode talking about sweaty men who can bench press me, ooo la la
As an addict, I was beginning to suffer withdrawls from not having an upload yet this week
Isn’t fannin jr only 20 and a true junior? I didn’t think he was senior bowl eligible
When you say a guy is xth percentile in a stat, what is the pool? Like is it collegiate, in the draft class, or out of players who have played in the NFL (which is how I normally read it)
13:11 I grew up in Columbus and played against Luke, he went to a camp and pretty much competed against Joe Royer for an OSU Tight End offer at a camp and lost, that’s why he didn’t get it
WHERE IS ARIK GILBERT!?
Is this a where’s Wally esq meme?
Probably still in school, somehow....
All this discourse on Fannin and watch, he'll go to a team like SF or MIA, or a QB like Mahomes or Burrow, and just absolutely turn games into chaos.
Jalon Catalon top ten pick in 2028
Just went through every single comment on this video and haven’t seen anyone mention BSU TE Matt Lauter. He’s a tad undersized but imo shined as the only other capable offense weapon next to Ashton Jeanty. I decent but not amazing blocker as well. Think the tape is at least worth the watch
TE's Bust at an Extremely Extremely High Rate. They usually don't come on til at least year 5 which they are now Free Agents. So in terms of Draft Picks. Sure you can name a few guys I'm wrong but mainly they bust 99.9%. Iowa TEs usually hit is the exception
Majority of the first round te hit and second round
Sounds like Cole Kmet is about to become a 1k+ yrd receiver this year
@PlumbNumbs I've definitely done some research wondering if he may get traded tbh. Just because Ben Johnson's uses TE and FB interchangable and a lot so... Now, he takes the Talent he has and he did great with Detroit's TE Hawk. Who is Kmet's mold. But outside of that expect a lot of move Blocking TEs to come in. I can drop you a link going through how Ben Johnson Schemes if ya want. Pretty dope
@@AnthonyJones-j6g So I call bust something pry nobody else does. If you draft a guy and pay him 4-5 years, and he doesn't become good until year 5-6-7. That's a Bust pick. Now, the player may not be a bust. But TEs (until this year 🤣🤷) was taking until year 5 to be good. So why draft em? Go sign guys after their 1st deal when they start to become good. Give you a guy Bears did that with. Martellus Bennett. He had flashed a little his last yr in Dallas I think 🤔. Bears sign him and he's a great TE the next 5 years.
@knowledgeuntamed9177 who? because Laporte and almost every te from that class balling Pitt bowers Michigan te on Seattle....
Delp is a true senior next yr gang 😂
baby Conrad me likey your hair big boy omg nice viddddd
Does Fannin fit Sean Payton’s elusive “joker” mold? I think so.
My favorite question is “can he host a pod?” 😂