Anyone else notice how any time Alex would talk, opossum wouldn’t stop shaking like a chihuahua in a cold room? Okjluv even pointed it out at one point saying “you look like you’re gearing up for something”
He looked like a crack head whenever he was “listening” to Alex. You could tell he wasn’t even listening just had another pointless question he was thinking of spewing that had no logical connection to the previous. It was like watching a struggling fish swim upstream
I will also add around the 2 and a half hour mark around when CTR entered it did become a lot more friendly banter instead of the hostile “gotcha!” Arguments.
That is because N2 hit him with facts that he didn't like, or could articulate a counter argument. N2 was by far the most knowledgeable dude on the vid, and didn't like that.
Oppossum was bobbing up and down for three hours looking like he was gearing up for a fight, very weird behaviour. Nomics cooked him. Unfortunately though you can never win an argument with a stupid person. At one point, Oppossum was talking about how there is no future date that future SV sets, and Nomics quite rightly replied saying you can apply that logic to any investment 😂 Great debate and fair play to all of them for going on, but Nomics is leagues ahead of these guys.
While i agree that past performance does not always dictate future performance, it is important to take historical data and slap recent sentiment and future projections on top of it and make informed decisions.
no hate towards JLUV but him saying that he has 0 investments (real estate, stocks, btc, etc.) kind of tells me all I need to know. And then for him to say after everyone left that he doesnt see how you mentioning his investment portfolio is relevant and he didnt feel comfortable talking about it in front of everyone is very surprising
@@sciencepad5555it was painful to see him keep presenting a gotcha moment to CTR after saying he knows so much only to have Ryan disagree completely about swsh. I found it funny af. Julian assumes that the purchaser of the investment is losing out by purchasing an older sealed box from an investor, but that’s not how supply/demand works, at all. That box will continue to be more and more rare, even at a break even investment (post taxes and shipping) it is basically just the same as a savings account including inflation. Buying low and selling at a window isn’t amoral, it’s ethical business standards. You can test this by substituting Pokémon for anything and then step back and review your practices. Buying and holding until an investment matures is not shady, Alex. You wouldn’t be as transparent as you are, and take offense to what was said if it wasn’t furthest from your intentions, as CTR accurately said, “F’em”, I know you’re a nice guy but he’s right and I hope you absorb that as it will make you and your channel stronger. F. Them.
@@eastendmafia1773 those things go to zero and you’re literally left holding nothing. Slight perk if you actually like cracking packs, but even then, markets rebound and shift and boomerang back.
Opossum needs to work on his Discussion skills. Like not enough breaks for people to respond, loud aggressive tone, constant agitated fidgeting and hopping, like I felt bad for the way he came at Alex. He started taking the discussion from objective to personal. That part was not enjoyable to watch for me. Luckily he cooled down after. Rest of the Convo was great.
He was acting strange all night. Everyone except Oppossum was chilled and having a fair open debate, Oppossum was bobbing up and down looking like he wanted to punch someone. He was also very rude, aggressive and almost intimidating. Very strange behaviour
One point that I think was missed is how Pokemon is possibly one of the strongest brands ever created. So investing in the TCG is investing in the brand that is pokemon. No other collectable is backed by a brand as strong as Pokemon imo. The games and the anime make it so culturally relevant across multiple generations. So when Jluv was trying to say it lacks intrinsic value or utility yet stocks and crypto does, really is a contradictory view to have. Also when talking about catalysts the games and anime are clearly strong catalysts. Another which many don't often acknowledge enough is the bust and boom cycle in crypto and its affect on the pokemon market. You hear people talk about stim checks, covid and logan paul when imo people rolling profits from crypto into collectibles was the real reason for the 20/21 boom. So if we want to talk a next catalyst how about the next crypto boom? Its logical to think those profits will be rotated once again. This is without catalysts that happen naturally that we can't see before hand. Also the just open it if it goes to zero thing is definitely something with having an asset you can hold. So many markets you are left with thin air if it goes to zero but atleast with pokemon you still have the product even if the value drops. In a shit hits the fan scenario if pokemon does go to zero then I doubt pokemon going to zero is going to be everyone's main problem. It will be the least of our issues.
The debate was badly done front a debate standpoint because some debaters disregarded others' points and insisted on their opinions even though its clearly flawed. I had to stop watching it because it was making me mad.
Let’s be real here if you are investing in your future, you want a diverse portfolio. Invest in real estate (buy your own house and if u can have a couple of rental properties), invest in stocks (mutual funds and etfs safe and less risk), buy individual stocks that you have done your research on, you can invest in Bitcion, and you can invest in cards/sealed product (best part is this investment is actually fun and enjoyable unlike the rest) never put all your eggs in one basket oh and make sure you have a healthy savings or money market too
The best comparable market in my opinion would be classic cars. They eventually get a defined amount created and has a value greatly dependent (once classic) on condition and demand. There is no guarantee that there will be a buyer at a higher value down the road but as time goes on and fewer exist, a shelby gt500 changes from a $3,000 new car to a 750,000 car.
Mad respect for this video. As a critic of Pokémon investing content, the self-reflection is appreciated. I think the biggest improvement investing content creators could make would be mentioning prices where it is smart to buy and/or sell. It’s lazy content to just say “buy this because I think it will go up”. I’ll continue to follow your content!
It is WILD to me how people can be so passionate about Pokémon yet be in complete denial or even worse actively rooting for it to fail as an investment. Alex as always you cut through the emotion with facts and logic, also appreciate your introspection here. You’ve become my top poketuber dude, keep it up 🔥
I feel you’ve made it clear to buy boxes at lowest when they are $80-$90 and no one wants them, and hold till they go up. And don’t buy into hype when boxes go up above MSRP, you’ve been clear on that to me.
The second part is the most important. There was one particular investment channel telling people to get into Evolving Skies at the current market price. That's when it becomes irresponsible. Thankfully it's not a widespread problem.
i agree everyone was respectful, except opossum. He was obnoxious and trying to pull gotcha moments in the weirdest ways. His points were so unrelated and cringy. It's like he wasn't even in the same conversation.
People are struggling accepting the concept that investing in Pokemon is a safe and good investment and I dont blame them. We all grew up thinking cards was just a fun thing for kids to enjoy and for most people to accept that its a good investment is difficult due to everyone thinking its just a kids game. It took me a couple of years to accept that too 😂😂
Be greedy when others are fearful 😧! You don’t make money by following the herd and doing what 90% of people do! Because 90% of ppl are broke!! Gotta swim against the current to get anywhere these days!!
Honestly if yall could somehow make it a thing every few months , just go over the hobby in general. But with all the different view points, it would be amazing
I found the live hard to watch. Its very difficult to moderate a live, with people talking over each other and not letting people finish their thoughts. You have to have disciplined people that will follow ground rules to pull one of these off. I also am not sure why so many people were added to the live. My guess is he didn't want to go 1:1 with you. Wasn't very confident in his points, so he tried to muddy the waters. Opossum bud had no business being there. The only thing he adds, which maybe is why he was there is he's disruptive and argumentative with no facts to back up anything he is saying. What a weak argument to say that history will not repeat itself. If that is all you have, you have nothing to your argument. You can literally say that about everything in life!! At the end of the day, what I think you still cant knock down is that there are some very smart, very successful people that are investing in sealed Pokemon and having success doing it. I try to listen to smart successful people and do what they do. Listening to "empty barrels" that only want to tell you you cant do it, you cant do what they did, it wont work for you, doesn't sit well with me.
Here's a fresh take. Do what makes you happy. Never caught the livestream, but watch most of the youtubers that were featured, CTR, NN, OKJUV, and OB. If you rip packs, play the game, collect the cards, collect sealed, really what difference does it make? Why does one person care what another person is doing? As long as you aren't clearing out a Walmart and reselling the stuff like in 2020/2021. Why does anyone care if someone buys a bunch of booster boxes that are readily available from thousands of stores and doesn't open them?
All I'm gonna say is team Nomics all day baby. All the other dudes seemed like cool people, just that this topic for some reason gets the best of many lol
watched the whole live stream. Totally agree that pokemon is very investable! thank you for creating the discussion and thank you CTR for giving me reassurance because I got back to pokemon through paradox rift and I thought it was just me that loved that set and chase the roaring moon along with the altaria and groudon! I am a believer but yeah thank you for creating the discussion
I think there is no question of where your morals stand with regards to investing. You have been clear and up front with your audience and your stated motive has been both making money and helping others to do so as well by offering plays/advice. Keep the content coming!
Hi Alex saw the debate and thought you were very good on your points. I speak from personal experience. My interest in Pokémon was reignited in 2019 before the pandemic or any Poké tubers influence. I noticed a few people talking about hidden fates and thought the set looked pretty cool. The very first pack I opened after so many years I pulled the shiny gardevoir Gx and thought the art looked awesome. And I haven’t stopped collecting / investing since.
There will always be people who spend every cash they have on things they like. I know collectors who collect everything. Watches, video games, even pens. They don’t trust stock markets or banks. They want cash or physical items. Not many people buy some. Also with everything becoming more and more digital. Physical collectibles become more appealing over time. Think that brings long term into it more as well
I thought it was a good conversation overall and enjoyed it. I think the real true risk to Pokémon investing is the longevity of Pokemon itself which is just impossible to predict long term
Love your videos man! I don’t think you’re immoral at all. You’re always very transparent and always say this is your opinion only do your own research. What people do with your educated opinions is on them. I personally have acted on your opinions with some research of my own and done really well! Keep up the great work!
I thought that was a really interesting stream to watch. At the beginning I felt Jluv had some really good questions and criticisms but in my opinion, Alex, when you asked him what he’s invested in, his answer made me feel not confident in his level of experience to make some of these criticisms. I wouldn’t consider owning the home you live in as a property investor. And without any real knowledge or experience with any other investment vehicles, I had a hard time valuing his opinion thereafter. But commend his ability to facilitate that discussion for the most part.
Yeah I agree with you on the fact that he's only invested in the home he's living in. Feels weird to question other people's investments as he did when he's got no real experience in investing it seems. No hate towards okjluv but I feel this stuff is way over his head.
I felt like that dude Opssum bud and jluv were so cringey … maybe I am just bias. Been following your channel for a few months and not once have I ever felt you are pushing something on me. Thanks for what you do! Keep it rolling
I enjoyed the live stream. You had alot of valid points that okj didn't want to hear. It was funny to see how quiet and respectful he was. Not at all like the video of him calling people out.
nostalgic go over the cards as you talk brotha because there are cards going up more than these past few months we have been seeing or talking about.. and also its great to hear your train of thoughts but go over the evidence also in showing prices and cards please thanks and enjoy your day nostalgic and everyone else 🙏
The discussion was kind of a mess but the actual tangible facts were pretty clearly in favor of investing. Oppossum acted rather strangely and then was oddly buddy-buddy once Ryan showed up.
I couldnt help but to notice Opossumbud had a lot of hostility built up toward this subject. You could tell he wasnt even listening. Almost like he couldnt listen due to all that energy he was having trouble containing hearing a difference in opinion. NN clearly the most knowledgeable on the panel.
After watching the live the biggest thing not mentioned is the that the games keep on selling record numbers. so the hobby will always see in rise in the price as long as the games do well
For 151 what do you think is the best product to invest in? I have some sealed 151 english and Japanese and have graded a good amount of cards from both English and Japanese. I have a feeling the masterball holos are going to perform incredible over the next 10 years. What do you think?
NN, I have completed the 151 master set. Now I have a few graded PSA 10 from the set as well. I just started last year, 151 was my first stab at Pokémon. I spent over $700 to complete the entire set. Worth it or did I mess up? I’m gearing up for my next move. Thoughts?
Thankyou, a lot of time and effort. I’m an 80s baby so I grew up on Pokémon but lost the interest after my teenage years. I easily had first edition Charizard back in those days, but who knew it would be this popular. I seen how much it was blowing up again I decided to invest. I didn’t know which way to go with so many different sets but that 151 set just to nostalgic
Just got done watching the debate but mannn, why did Opossum seem like he has grudges against you for spitting facts? 🤣 Some people just don’t like others getting “lucky” I guess 🤷♂️ #TeamLucky
Pro tip for everyone don’t buy the top. Buy the boxes on release. Buy more if it dips sell whatever makes you happy when it appreciates….done…that’s it. Same as stocks.
Just watched the stream and I'm more of a rip fan when it comes to watching content but on a side note I think investing bros took the w. Ps im a collector first and investor but my only issue is scalpers ill clean out evolving skies if its at my local store but that because i know kids wont get a chance at it in my nieghborhood but i always leave product for others aside from that.
Tbh, it seems like a lot of ppl have this mental barrier where they just can’t accept investing and Pokemon in the same sentence, no matter how much data that is available now or ever will be in the future. Knowing Pokemon as ‘shiny, entertaining cardboard for kids’ and then hearing someone talk about it in comparison with 401k s&p etc just seems like too big of a stretch for some peoples way of thinking. And that’s fair - I just don’t get those who are being all drama about it lol
Honestly jluv was completely shown to be out his depth and really had no business calling investing out or even being in such a discussion. Felt bad for him but honestly that's what happens when people try to fake they know something.
I don't know anything about pokemon I just learned by Investing watching your videos 😁 I was into stocks and sports cards..Pokemon has made me the most $ so far. Been doing sports cards for years and wish I was colexting sealed pokemon back then😢 Every Investment is a risk ..No risk no reward but damn this shuts to Ez
I have always thought hologram technology would be great for the hobby or any tcg hobby. Imagine seeing pokemon champions as if it was like a Yu-Gi-Oh show inreallife 😂
Pokemon cards are 100% a speculative asset. There are many players and aspects the market delievering some kind of value to collectors. Slabs dont magically appear, sealed product doesnt magically appear, singles dont magically appear. Someone took risk, effort, time to deliver these products to market. Most people mad at "investors" are mainly mad they missed out. Do you get mad at an art collector because they sold a piece at a profit? Ridiculous. Maybe instead of getting mad at people holding a few slabs/boxes. Get mad at the institutional market manipulators. Even so no one is putting a gun to anyones head forcing them to buy product. I love the content Alex. Im getting really tired of all these crybabies lately.
You did great man! I don’t care for a couple of the content creators that were on there last night. CTR saying that pokemon is gonna die was the most ignorant thing said. 🤦♂️
ANY type of investment is risky cause life isn’t guaranteed the next second, the next minute or the next day . Jluv didn’t want a debate. He wanted his opinion to be heard but couldn’t respect yours and the other peoples opinions enough to admit when he was wrong. Honestly it feels like he’s mad cause the English market is doing what it’s supposed to do yet Japanese which he mainly invests in (even if he says he doesn’t it still is an investment ) is doing its own thing .
haven't watched much of this video yet but i want to say one thing. Everyone trying to compare Pokémon with 25+ years of data and being the largest most successful IP EVER with investing in early stocks like Apple and Facebook etc. is the dumbest argument EVER. Investing now in Pokémon would be more like investing in those big players stocks today. Pokémon is basically a physical stock investment with one of the best data to back it.
That opossum guy was not good for that debate. I can't believe it went that long. That jlove guy seems like a new age liberal socialist, he was very civil and respectful though. Kids are not investing in this product, its adults with money only. Adults can do whatever they want with their money. There are winners and losers in all aspects of life. I like to be on the winning side. This debate should never have happened. Keep up the good work.
Also realistically to the other side saying Pokémon isn’t a good investment or constantly shouting how prices are too high, what is it that they want?like their ideal way of how things should working, and being priced? The hobby they say that they care about so much.
I watch this video blown and woke up to an order for a psa graded first edition booster pack --__-- now I just want to keep it so bad. . .I feel 9 again
In all honesty, just seems like a lot of poor haters. Not poor due to income, but poor due to awful decision and discipline as it relates to finance. I'm not shocked certain RUclipsrs are playing to that mindset, as many of them fit that mold. Make better decisions and quit being salty.
I just had to come back for additional comments. OKJluv and Opposum made stupid comments last night. Look at the numbers, they don't lie. Not sure why OKJ is putting out false info. N2 keep it up, you're playing chess while everyone was playing checkers.
It is very admirable that you keep throwing yourself out there telling people SV isn't that bad and that buying sealed Pokemon can result in some good gains. The question I have is why bother, since most RUclipsr sentiment for any new set is "Wow that is bad, no one will ever want this, another disappointing set". Keep up to positive!!
i love how ctr had to try to play neutral and backtrack disclaimer at the end "youre prob not going to make money" that was after saying load the boat on swsh lol
CTR had the opposite effect from what I was expecting. Thought they brought him in as backup but he ended up weakening their position. 😂 Funny old world.
realized last night my assumption of investor hatters are broke to get involve so they cope by questioning and hating. investor know the risk and don’t give a sht if they loose it. there are ppl that think stuff happens over night those are the ones that find it scary to invest. live in your means. if want to invest make more income and have less dept.
@@monkey39128 Perhaps all about personal perception. In my case i have house mortgage, car, 70-80k saved and make 4x the cost of my bills. wouldn’t faze me.
Yeah I only watched like 30 minutes of the stream! I appreciate you trying to challenge him a bit Alex but I think you should’ve gone harder!! Maybe it was mentioned after I left but nobody pushed back against Jluv by pointing out stocks aren’t automatic either, stocks go bust or down all the time too!! CDs and savings accounts don’t always keep up with inflation , etc etc, but… it was a solid idea! But to be clear , atleast from what I saw , nobody pushed back against traditional investments!! I lost plenty of money in stocks… I invested in silver for a decade and barely saw any returns….. it’s not like other investments or assets are gaurenteed either!!
@@NostalgiaNomics nah I get it ! And it was like 4 on 1 so I know you guys didn’t wanna come off too aggressive or seen as hanging up, but … I’ve lost money in traditional assets too!! Nothing is gaurenteed !
Video Sposor - lowpopping.com/collections/all
Live Debate - ruclips.net/video/4XDdvBCaSoo/видео.html
I appreciate how respectful you are about the criticism.
You did good yesterday brother!
Appreciate it man!
Anyone else notice how any time Alex would talk, opossum wouldn’t stop shaking like a chihuahua in a cold room? Okjluv even pointed it out at one point saying “you look like you’re gearing up for something”
He looked like a crack head whenever he was “listening” to Alex. You could tell he wasn’t even listening just had another pointless question he was thinking of spewing that had no logical connection to the previous. It was like watching a struggling fish swim upstream
I will also add around the 2 and a half hour mark around when CTR entered it did become a lot more friendly banter instead of the hostile “gotcha!” Arguments.
That is because N2 hit him with facts that he didn't like, or could articulate a counter argument. N2 was by far the most knowledgeable dude on the vid, and didn't like that.
They always seem to get on each other nerves. We need to see this settled in the ring...😏😏😏😏
Oppossum was bobbing up and down for three hours looking like he was gearing up for a fight, very weird behaviour.
Nomics cooked him.
Unfortunately though you can never win an argument with a stupid person.
At one point, Oppossum was talking about how there is no future date that future SV sets, and Nomics quite rightly replied saying you can apply that logic to any investment 😂
Great debate and fair play to all of them for going on, but Nomics is leagues ahead of these guys.
I have no money , but i watch a ton of investment videos lol
you will be left behind sadly :(
I feel you there 😅
Really appreciate that. Thanks for watching!
“I don’t bench press that’s way too risky”
“What do you do to grow your chest?”
“Oh I don’t train chest”
🤣🤣🤣
While i agree that past performance does not always dictate future performance, it is important to take historical data and slap recent sentiment and future projections on top of it and make informed decisions.
no hate towards JLUV but him saying that he has 0 investments (real estate, stocks, btc, etc.) kind of tells me all I need to know. And then for him to say after everyone left that he doesnt see how you mentioning his investment portfolio is relevant and he didnt feel comfortable talking about it in front of everyone is very surprising
I felt the exact same during that moment. It was clear he doesn't understand the basics of any financial investment.
@@sciencepad5555it was painful to see him keep presenting a gotcha moment to CTR after saying he knows so much only to have Ryan disagree completely about swsh. I found it funny af.
Julian assumes that the purchaser of the investment is losing out by purchasing an older sealed box from an investor, but that’s not how supply/demand works, at all. That box will continue to be more and more rare, even at a break even investment (post taxes and shipping) it is basically just the same as a savings account including inflation. Buying low and selling at a window isn’t amoral, it’s ethical business standards. You can test this by substituting Pokémon for anything and then step back and review your practices. Buying and holding until an investment matures is not shady, Alex. You wouldn’t be as transparent as you are, and take offense to what was said if it wasn’t furthest from your intentions, as CTR accurately said, “F’em”, I know you’re a nice guy but he’s right and I hope you absorb that as it will make you and your channel stronger.
F. Them.
Also him thinking crypto/stocks are less risky than sealed product was pretty shocking
@@eastendmafia1773 i think he prob thinks that since he has no experience in those fields as he mentioned with having 0 investments
@@eastendmafia1773 those things go to zero and you’re literally left holding nothing. Slight perk if you actually like cracking packs, but even then, markets rebound and shift and boomerang back.
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people whom we personally dislike." -- My countryman, Oscar Wilde
Opossum needs to work on his Discussion skills. Like not enough breaks for people to respond, loud aggressive tone, constant agitated fidgeting and hopping, like I felt bad for the way he came at Alex.
He started taking the discussion from objective to personal. That part was not enjoyable to watch for me. Luckily he cooled down after.
Rest of the Convo was great.
He was acting strange all night. Everyone except Oppossum was chilled and having a fair open debate, Oppossum was bobbing up and down looking like he wanted to punch someone.
He was also very rude, aggressive and almost intimidating.
Very strange behaviour
One point that I think was missed is how Pokemon is possibly one of the strongest brands ever created. So investing in the TCG is investing in the brand that is pokemon. No other collectable is backed by a brand as strong as Pokemon imo. The games and the anime make it so culturally relevant across multiple generations. So when Jluv was trying to say it lacks intrinsic value or utility yet stocks and crypto does, really is a contradictory view to have.
Also when talking about catalysts the games and anime are clearly strong catalysts. Another which many don't often acknowledge enough is the bust and boom cycle in crypto and its affect on the pokemon market. You hear people talk about stim checks, covid and logan paul when imo people rolling profits from crypto into collectibles was the real reason for the 20/21 boom. So if we want to talk a next catalyst how about the next crypto boom? Its logical to think those profits will be rotated once again. This is without catalysts that happen naturally that we can't see before hand.
Also the just open it if it goes to zero thing is definitely something with having an asset you can hold. So many markets you are left with thin air if it goes to zero but atleast with pokemon you still have the product even if the value drops.
In a shit hits the fan scenario if pokemon does go to zero then I doubt pokemon going to zero is going to be everyone's main problem. It will be the least of our issues.
Couldn't agree more
That stream was epic last night. Man we need more of those esp CTR. cool to see he also loved the paradox my fave sv set of all time so far
Yessir! Agreed!
The debate was badly done front a debate standpoint because some debaters disregarded others' points and insisted on their opinions even though its clearly flawed. I had to stop watching it because it was making me mad.
I had to stop watching as well. The one guy kept interrupting people and kept talking over them.
Ya I think it was just too many people. Anything over 4 is usually too many.
if u got mad at watching a video... you got issssues you clown
I was happy with all your points on the stream! Thanks for all your info you put out there
I had a great time chatting with everyone! As always: thanks for sharing your thoughts NN, and thanks to everyone else who joined!
Hey had a great time as well man!
Let’s be real here if you are investing in your future, you want a diverse portfolio. Invest in real estate (buy your own house and if u can have a couple of rental properties), invest in stocks (mutual funds and etfs safe and less risk), buy individual stocks that you have done your research on, you can invest in Bitcion, and you can invest in cards/sealed product (best part is this investment is actually fun and enjoyable unlike the rest) never put all your eggs in one basket oh and make sure you have a healthy savings or money market too
Possum guy was a weirdo
😂
he still is till today lol
The best comparable market in my opinion would be classic cars. They eventually get a defined amount created and has a value greatly dependent (once classic) on condition and demand. There is no guarantee that there will be a buyer at a higher value down the road but as time goes on and fewer exist, a shelby gt500 changes from a $3,000 new car to a 750,000 car.
Mad respect for this video. As a critic of Pokémon investing content, the self-reflection is appreciated. I think the biggest improvement investing content creators could make would be mentioning prices where it is smart to buy and/or sell. It’s lazy content to just say “buy this because I think it will go up”. I’ll continue to follow your content!
Ya, I agree with that 100%. Thanks man
Good or bad doesn’t matter. Do what you want. Was glad to hear what ctr had to say
NN forever you my guy. Love how disciplined and calm you were to a few people attacking you. Keep doing you and make us “investor bros” proud baby!!
Haha absolutely. Appreciate the support brother
It is WILD to me how people can be so passionate about Pokémon yet be in complete denial or even worse actively rooting for it to fail as an investment. Alex as always you cut through the emotion with facts and logic, also appreciate your introspection here. You’ve become my top poketuber dude, keep it up 🔥
Really appreciate that. Also, ya I feel the same way. It's the strangest thing I have ever experienced.
Opossum was the worst by far. Everyone else was good.
I feel you’ve made it clear to buy boxes at lowest when they are $80-$90 and no one wants them, and hold till they go up. And don’t buy into hype when boxes go up above MSRP, you’ve been clear on that to me.
This one point is enough to destroy the point of their collector bros streams.
Idk how's it so hard to see 😂
The second part is the most important. There was one particular investment channel telling people to get into Evolving Skies at the current market price. That's when it becomes irresponsible. Thankfully it's not a widespread problem.
i agree everyone was respectful, except opossum. He was obnoxious and trying to pull gotcha moments in the weirdest ways. His points were so unrelated and cringy. It's like he wasn't even in the same conversation.
😂 FACTS!
People are struggling accepting the concept that investing in Pokemon is a safe and good investment and I dont blame them. We all grew up thinking cards was just a fun thing for kids to enjoy and for most people to accept that its a good investment is difficult due to everyone thinking its just a kids game. It took me a couple of years to accept that too 😂😂
Be greedy when others are fearful 😧! You don’t make money by following the herd and doing what 90% of people do! Because 90% of ppl are broke!! Gotta swim against the current to get anywhere these days!!
Absolutely 💯
Honestly if yall could somehow make it a thing every few months , just go over the hobby in general. But with all the different view points, it would be amazing
Not a bad idea at all.
You did good last night, Alex.
Stuck to your guns with data, and represented us iNvEsToR bRoS in a positive light 👍
Thanks. Did my best to be our voice!
I found the live hard to watch. Its very difficult to moderate a live, with people talking over each other and not letting people finish their thoughts. You have to have disciplined people that will follow ground rules to pull one of these off. I also am not sure why so many people were added to the live. My guess is he didn't want to go 1:1 with you. Wasn't very confident in his points, so he tried to muddy the waters. Opossum bud had no business being there. The only thing he adds, which maybe is why he was there is he's disruptive and argumentative with no facts to back up anything he is saying. What a weak argument to say that history will not repeat itself. If that is all you have, you have nothing to your argument. You can literally say that about everything in life!! At the end of the day, what I think you still cant knock down is that there are some very smart, very successful people that are investing in sealed Pokemon and having success doing it. I try to listen to smart successful people and do what they do. Listening to "empty barrels" that only want to tell you you cant do it, you cant do what they did, it wont work for you, doesn't sit well with me.
I agree that there was just too many people to really keep the convo flowing well. Made it a little difficult but I feel it still went pretty well.
Alex you shined in that livestream. You were very professional and articulated your points really well! FOLKS!
Really appreciate that!!
N2, I saw you last night. You crushed all arguments with facts, great job, keep it up.
Appreciate it!!
Here's a fresh take. Do what makes you happy. Never caught the livestream, but watch most of the youtubers that were featured, CTR, NN, OKJUV, and OB. If you rip packs, play the game, collect the cards, collect sealed, really what difference does it make? Why does one person care what another person is doing? As long as you aren't clearing out a Walmart and reselling the stuff like in 2020/2021. Why does anyone care if someone buys a bunch of booster boxes that are readily available from thousands of stores and doesn't open them?
Great Take. Thanks for the feedback man!
Guy isn't thinking about the poor AI that got stuck holding the big bags in 400 years. So short sighted.
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All I'm gonna say is team Nomics all day baby. All the other dudes seemed like cool people, just that this topic for some reason gets the best of many lol
Appreciate it and ya I know what you mean
watched the whole live stream. Totally agree that pokemon is very investable! thank you for creating the discussion and thank you CTR for giving me reassurance because I got back to pokemon through paradox rift and I thought it was just me that loved that set and chase the roaring moon along with the altaria and groudon! I am a believer but yeah thank you for creating the discussion
Absolutely. Thanks for the support!
That jluv was soo mad I think he regretted that debate 😂
He did lol
I think there is no question of where your morals stand with regards to investing. You have been clear and up front with your audience and your stated motive has been both making money and helping others to do so as well by offering plays/advice. Keep the content coming!
Appreciate that. Thanks man!
Hi Alex saw the debate and thought you were very good on your points.
I speak from personal experience. My interest in Pokémon was reignited in 2019 before the pandemic or any Poké tubers influence. I noticed a few people talking about hidden fates and thought the set looked pretty cool. The very first pack I opened after so many years I pulled the shiny gardevoir Gx and thought the art looked awesome. And I haven’t stopped collecting / investing since.
Love to hear it!
yea in the end its your own money that is purchasing it no one else is forcing you to make the purchase
There will always be people who spend every cash they have on things they like. I know collectors who collect everything. Watches, video games, even pens. They don’t trust stock markets or banks. They want cash or physical items. Not many people buy some. Also with everything becoming more and more digital. Physical collectibles become more appealing over time. Think that brings long term into it more as well
Great stream, thoroughly enjoyed watching you guys talk about pokemon investing and civilly debating your opinions.
Top stuff Alex👍
Appreciate it! Glad you enjoyed it.
I thought it was a good conversation overall and enjoyed it. I think the real true risk to Pokémon investing is the longevity of Pokemon itself which is just impossible to predict long term
I couldn’t even finish watching the whole thing. In the half that I watched I thought you handled yourself very well. Keep it up Alex.
Appreciate that
Love your videos man! I don’t think you’re immoral at all. You’re always very transparent and always say this is your opinion only do your own research. What people do with your educated opinions is on them. I personally have acted on your opinions with some research of my own and done really well! Keep up the great work!
Really appreciate that brother. Awesome to hear!
Good job on the stream.
Appreciate it
I thought that was a really interesting stream to watch. At the beginning I felt Jluv had some really good questions and criticisms but in my opinion, Alex, when you asked him what he’s invested in, his answer made me feel not confident in his level of experience to make some of these criticisms. I wouldn’t consider owning the home you live in as a property investor. And without any real knowledge or experience with any other investment vehicles, I had a hard time valuing his opinion thereafter. But commend his ability to facilitate that discussion for the most part.
Yeah I agree with you on the fact that he's only invested in the home he's living in. Feels weird to question other people's investments as he did when he's got no real experience in investing it seems. No hate towards okjluv but I feel this stuff is way over his head.
Alex - this is a really good video. Nice work.
Thanks man... but let us not make a habit of these kind of comments. People may get the wrong idea 😂
I felt like that dude Opssum bud and jluv were so cringey … maybe I am just bias. Been following your channel for a few months and not once have I ever felt you are pushing something on me. Thanks for what you do! Keep it rolling
Appreciate the support man!
I enjoyed the live stream. You had alot of valid points that okj didn't want to hear. It was funny to see how quiet and respectful he was. Not at all like the video of him calling people out.
Glad you enjoyed!
nostalgic go over the cards as you talk brotha because there are cards going up more than these past few months we have been seeing or talking about.. and also its great to hear your train of thoughts but go over the evidence also in showing prices and cards please thanks and enjoy your day nostalgic and everyone else 🙏
Will do!
Look at Alex taking the high road maturing right in front of us 🎉 crushed it bro
JLuv will convert just like PK and Jake
The discussion was kind of a mess but the actual tangible facts were pretty clearly in favor of investing. Oppossum acted rather strangely and then was oddly buddy-buddy once Ryan showed up.
I really enjoyed this video, i gotta watch the full debate. Thank you for your awesome content, keep up the great work!
Appreciate that!
Let the haters hate while we accumulate 🤷♂️
I couldnt help but to notice Opossumbud had a lot of hostility built up toward this subject. You could tell he wasnt even listening. Almost like he couldnt listen due to all that energy he was having trouble containing hearing a difference in opinion. NN clearly the most knowledgeable on the panel.
i still have 3 hours to watch after that i will watch yours.
Great discussion and valid points so far.
After watching the live the biggest thing not mentioned is the that the games keep on selling record numbers. so the hobby will always see in rise in the price as long as the games do well
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Great job and great content last night!
For 151 what do you think is the best product to invest in? I have some sealed 151 english and Japanese and have graded a good amount of cards from both English and Japanese. I have a feeling the masterball holos are going to perform incredible over the next 10 years. What do you think?
Ya I could see the Japanese 151 outperforming the English side of things like the ETBs.
Couldn't have said it better myself!
NN, I have completed the 151 master set. Now I have a few graded PSA 10 from the set as well. I just started last year, 151 was my first stab at Pokémon. I spent over $700 to complete the entire set. Worth it or did I mess up? I’m gearing up for my next move. Thoughts?
151 10s will be scarce in the future imo
That's an awesome set to complete man. Congrats!!
Thankyou, a lot of time and effort. I’m an 80s baby so I grew up on Pokémon but lost the interest after my teenage years. I easily had first edition Charizard back in those days, but who knew it would be this popular. I seen how much it was blowing up again I decided to invest. I didn’t know which way to go with so many different sets but that 151 set just to nostalgic
Enjoy my daily morning dose of NN 😂
Pokémon booster boxes are basically just buying stock shares in the Pokemon Company
Yes, you should invest.
Just got done watching the debate but mannn, why did Opossum seem like he has grudges against you for spitting facts? 🤣 Some people just don’t like others getting “lucky” I guess 🤷♂️ #TeamLucky
🤷♂️ #TeamLucky
Pro tip for everyone don’t buy the top. Buy the boxes on release. Buy more if it dips sell whatever makes you happy when it appreciates….done…that’s it. Same as stocks.
Just watched the stream and I'm more of a rip fan when it comes to watching content but on a side note I think investing bros took the w. Ps im a collector first and investor but my only issue is scalpers ill clean out evolving skies if its at my local store but that because i know kids wont get a chance at it in my nieghborhood but i always leave product for others aside from that.
Next time we need a blue corner and red corner, I swear at some stage I was actually confused to who was for and against investing 😂
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Tbh, it seems like a lot of ppl have this mental barrier where they just can’t accept investing and Pokemon in the same
sentence, no matter how much data that is available now or ever will be in the future. Knowing Pokemon as
‘shiny, entertaining cardboard for kids’ and then hearing someone talk about it in comparison with 401k s&p etc just seems like too big of a stretch for some peoples way of thinking. And that’s fair - I just don’t get those who are being all drama about it lol
I feel the exact same way 💯
Honestly jluv was completely shown to be out his depth and really had no business calling investing out or even being in such a discussion. Felt bad for him but honestly that's what happens when people try to fake they know something.
100%
I don't know anything about pokemon I just learned by Investing watching your videos 😁 I was into stocks and sports cards..Pokemon has made me the most $ so far.
Been doing sports cards for years and wish I was colexting sealed pokemon back then😢
Every Investment is a risk ..No risk no reward but damn this shuts to Ez
Glad you have enjoyed the vids!
J: "you can't look at the data"
Awful fight, no one even threw a punch!
I have always thought hologram technology would be great for the hobby or any tcg hobby. Imagine seeing pokemon champions as if it was like a Yu-Gi-Oh show inreallife 😂
That would be incredible
Pokemon cards are 100% a speculative asset. There are many players and aspects the market delievering some kind of value to collectors.
Slabs dont magically appear, sealed product doesnt magically appear, singles dont magically appear. Someone took risk, effort, time to deliver these products to market.
Most people mad at "investors" are mainly mad they missed out. Do you get mad at an art collector because they sold a piece at a profit? Ridiculous.
Maybe instead of getting mad at people holding a few slabs/boxes. Get mad at the institutional market manipulators. Even so no one is putting a gun to anyones head forcing them to buy product.
I love the content Alex. Im getting really tired of all these crybabies lately.
Great points. Really appreciate it!
You did great man! I don’t care for a couple of the content creators that were on there last night. CTR saying that pokemon is gonna die was the most ignorant thing said. 🤦♂️
People took that too seriously. I'm pretty sure there was a touch of satire there.
@@monkey39128 I might have taken it too seriously. I hope so 😃
ANY type of investment is risky cause life isn’t guaranteed the next second, the next minute or the next day . Jluv didn’t want a debate. He wanted his opinion to be heard but couldn’t respect yours and the other peoples opinions enough to admit when he was wrong. Honestly it feels like he’s mad cause the English market is doing what it’s supposed to do yet Japanese which he mainly invests in (even if he says he doesn’t it still is an investment ) is doing its own thing .
At this point sealed is a proven asset. Any claiming it’s not is just hate baiting for views.
haven't watched much of this video yet but i want to say one thing. Everyone trying to compare Pokémon with 25+ years of data and being the largest most successful IP EVER with investing in early stocks like Apple and Facebook etc. is the dumbest argument EVER. Investing now in Pokémon would be more like investing in those big players stocks today. Pokémon is basically a physical stock investment with one of the best data to back it.
That opossum guy was not good for that debate. I can't believe it went that long. That jlove guy seems like a new age liberal socialist, he was very civil and respectful though. Kids are not investing in this product, its adults with money only. Adults can do whatever they want with their money. There are winners and losers in all aspects of life. I like to be on the winning side. This debate should never have happened. Keep up the good work.
Also realistically to the other side saying Pokémon isn’t a good investment or constantly shouting how prices are too high, what is it that they want?like their ideal way of how things should working, and being priced? The hobby they say that they care about so much.
True!
I watch this video blown and woke up to an order for a psa graded first edition booster pack --__-- now I just want to keep it so bad. . .I feel 9 again
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@@NostalgiaNomics bro. . lol. .im so conflicted
Alex!! Keep it up playa
Yup.
Oh yea baby, first one here. Welcome everyone
In all honesty, just seems like a lot of poor haters. Not poor due to income, but poor due to awful decision and discipline as it relates to finance. I'm not shocked certain RUclipsrs are playing to that mindset, as many of them fit that mold. Make better decisions and quit being salty.
I just watched a little bit. It needs a facilitator who isn’t debating. Just felt like people talking over each other.
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You should if you have debts paid to the most part,you truly enjoy pokemon, and don't invest everything into pokemon.
It's right for the people with some extra money..
Opossum need to do more research and get his argument togather. N2 crushed him.
F**k what everyone says. It is what it is. Do you. Here to collect-collect here to make money - make money.
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I just had to come back for additional comments. OKJluv and Opposum made stupid comments last night. Look at the numbers, they don't lie. Not sure why OKJ is putting out false info. N2 keep it up, you're playing chess while everyone was playing checkers.
Will do!
It is very admirable that you keep throwing yourself out there telling people SV isn't that bad and that buying sealed Pokemon can result in some good gains.
The question I have is why bother, since most RUclipsr sentiment for any new set is "Wow that is bad, no one will ever want this, another disappointing set". Keep up to positive!!
Absolutely will do. I truly just think these sets and these cards are pretty awesome and arnt getting credit. I guess we will see...
I couldn’t watch it. Too many people, rather a 1 on 1 or 3 people max.
Ya I agree 3 or 4 is the max you can have to have a good discussion. That was definitely an issue.
Helllll yes
You were cooking yesterday. Jluv didnt want to hear your perspective. Ctr validated your opinion but they chose not to hear.
i love how ctr had to try to play neutral and backtrack disclaimer at the end "youre prob not going to make money" that was after saying load the boat on swsh lol
CTR had the opposite effect from what I was expecting. Thought they brought him in as backup but he ended up weakening their position. 😂 Funny old world.
@monkey39128 because ctr knows the truth and doesn't hold back.
Appreciate it 🙏
realized last night my assumption of investor hatters are broke to get involve so they cope by questioning and hating. investor know the risk and don’t give a sht if they loose it. there are ppl that think stuff happens over night those are the ones that find it scary to invest. live in your means. if want to invest make more income and have less dept.
That's not true, most people do care if they lose money.
@@monkey39128 Perhaps all about personal perception. In my case i have house mortgage, car, 70-80k saved and make 4x the cost of my bills. wouldn’t faze me.
I don’t want it fast i want it slow lay that paper down and watch it grow.
“A farmer never plants if he waits for perfection”
@@albertchavarria4578 Ok Albert.
Yeah I only watched like 30 minutes of the stream! I appreciate you trying to challenge him a bit Alex but I think you should’ve gone harder!!
Maybe it was mentioned after I left but nobody pushed back against Jluv by pointing out stocks aren’t automatic either, stocks go bust or down all the time too!! CDs and savings accounts don’t always keep up with inflation , etc etc, but… it was a solid idea!
But to be clear , atleast from what I saw , nobody pushed back against traditional investments!! I lost plenty of money in stocks… I invested in silver for a decade and barely saw any returns….. it’s not like other investments or assets are gaurenteed either!!
I agree. It was just hard with so many people on stream to really dive into things...
@@NostalgiaNomics nah I get it ! And it was like 4 on 1 so I know you guys didn’t wanna come off too aggressive or seen as hanging up, but … I’ve lost money in traditional assets too!! Nothing is gaurenteed !
It was blatantly obvious watching that live that there was zero structure and was just a bunch of talking heads.