Loved watching the spirit of everything. Wish we would've set aside a specially called group to come up with a mission statement and bring it back in 2026. The first one was created by one guy, and now this one by one guy. I like that it's more Wesleyan, but I don't like just "make disciples" on there. We could've been even more specific. Not sure why we had to rush that. Don't like the separation of a vision and mission statement as well. Just go with a mission statement and then some visionary goals or something. Anyway, glad about what happened over all.
I could follow easily with the format for UMC GC but I was lost trying to get two devices going to watch GMC GC. Nor was going back to watch you after the Conference session. I actually gave up on both, neither engaged my attention like the UMC format. Frankly think GMC missed a good thing. Maybe next time.
@@plainspokenpod Wesleyans are Charismatics in that we are "non-cessationists". However, there are some important differences. We Wesleyans emphasize the Fruit of the Spirit (holiness) whereas the Charismatics emphasize the Gifts of the Spirit (miracles). Sanctification "drives" our theology whereas Supernaturalism "drives" their theology. We are both pietists, but Methodism, because it is balanced out by a sacramental theology, does not fall into the more extreme pietism of the Radical Pietists of old, or the Charismatics of today. (Charismatics being Zwinglians in their sacramental theology, or lack thereof) MOST IMPORTANTLY: Wesleyans (like everyone else) believe that the Holy Spirit directs/leads/points people to Jesus Christ, whereas Charismatics (in their more extreme form) believe that Jesus directs/leads/points people to the Holy Spirit. Thus we differ in how the Son and the Spirit relate to one another in our Trinitarian theology.
I think this is an important conversation & I appreciate the way you clarified these two streams. However, from what I heard & experienced, there did not seem to be a competition between the two: it seemed to me that whenever the Person / work / gifts / infilling of the Holy Spirit were highlighted, the Sanctification / holiness / fruit of the Spirit were equally spotlighted. Does the global nature of this group affect that dynamic as well, knowing non-Western Christianity as a whole tends to be far more open to the work of the Spirit? I am far from a Wesleyan scholar, but I would say this gathering sought the empowerment of the Spirit in the way that Methodism seeks to recover plain, primitive Christianity. Were you able to be there in person or watching online? I can see where specific preachers & worship moments during the conference could lead to this reflection, but having been there in-person for the duration, taken as a whole I would disagree with such a sweeping conclusion. Blessings friend!
I look forward to hearing your interview with Carolyn Moore.
This sounds interesting! Linda in CT.
Good morning from Appomattox Va
Loved watching the spirit of everything. Wish we would've set aside a specially called group to come up with a mission statement and bring it back in 2026. The first one was created by one guy, and now this one by one guy. I like that it's more Wesleyan, but I don't like just "make disciples" on there. We could've been even more specific. Not sure why we had to rush that. Don't like the separation of a vision and mission statement as well. Just go with a mission statement and then some visionary goals or something. Anyway, glad about what happened over all.
I’m a couple of hours after the livestream in the old barn where my chickens roost doing my daily milking of the goats.
Please someone start a global Methodist Church in northern California in Solano county.. even yolo county.. we need one badly
I could follow easily with the format for UMC GC but I was lost trying to get two devices going to watch GMC GC. Nor was going back to watch you after the Conference session. I actually gave up on both, neither engaged my attention like the UMC format. Frankly think GMC missed a good thing. Maybe next time.
Charismatic theology was clearly preferred over Wesleyan theology at the Convening General Conference of the Global Methodist Church
I definitely saw a lot of charismatic worship. Could you help me line out the differences between charismatic theology and Wesleyan theology?
@@plainspokenpod Wesleyans are Charismatics in that we are "non-cessationists". However, there are some important differences. We Wesleyans emphasize the Fruit of the Spirit (holiness) whereas the Charismatics emphasize the Gifts of the Spirit (miracles). Sanctification "drives" our theology whereas Supernaturalism "drives" their theology.
We are both pietists, but Methodism, because it is balanced out by a sacramental theology, does not fall into the more extreme pietism of the Radical Pietists of old, or the Charismatics of today. (Charismatics being Zwinglians in their sacramental theology, or lack thereof)
MOST IMPORTANTLY: Wesleyans (like everyone else) believe that the Holy Spirit directs/leads/points people to Jesus Christ, whereas Charismatics (in their more extreme form) believe that Jesus directs/leads/points people to the Holy Spirit. Thus we differ in how the Son and the Spirit relate to one another in our Trinitarian theology.
I think this is an important conversation & I appreciate the way you clarified these two streams. However, from what I heard & experienced, there did not seem to be a competition between the two: it seemed to me that whenever the Person / work / gifts / infilling of the Holy Spirit were highlighted, the Sanctification / holiness / fruit of the Spirit were equally spotlighted. Does the global nature of this group affect that dynamic as well, knowing non-Western Christianity as a whole tends to be far more open to the work of the Spirit? I am far from a Wesleyan scholar, but I would say this gathering sought the empowerment of the Spirit in the way that Methodism seeks to recover plain, primitive Christianity.
Were you able to be there in person or watching online? I can see where specific preachers & worship moments during the conference could lead to this reflection, but having been there in-person for the duration, taken as a whole I would disagree with such a sweeping conclusion. Blessings friend!