Is the Abrahamic covenant still operative today?
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2023
- Is God’s covenant with Abraham still operating today? From one of our live Ask Ligonier events, Sinclair Ferguson explains how the promises and blessings of this covenant relate to Jesus Christ.
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Thank you for proclaiming this blessing from God!
Wow, yes.
Thank you.
Excellent! Clear, Concise & Straight Answers to Direct questions!
I believe that as a gentile Christian we are certainly not under the law of Moses
You can believe that all you want, but sin is still biblilcally defined as violating God's commandments in 1 Jhn 3:4. Sin for the Israeite is sin for the Gentile. You can also believe that the law of gravity doesn't apply to Gentiles, but if you jumped off a skyscraper without a parachute, you're going to end up dead. The term "Gentile Christian" is an oxymoron because the Bible clearly teaches that Christians become part of the Israelite commonwealth.
God runs everything by His Law you are likely not a Christian at all likely anti nomian I was all too familiar with that attitude.
You want to know what the rest of the bible means, you have to become extensively familiar with Moses. But you are too lazy just in it for rewards the fake pastor told you to manipulate god for 😢
No one is saved by God's Torah or Law because we cannot keep it. But it is perfect holy and good. God will not change His ways and everyone in His new kingdom will go by His Way forever without exception.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779can you explain it to me? So are gentiles grafted into the Abrahams family through christ like a branch to a vine?
See Matthew Ch5- vs17-20
Amen. ❣️Abraham, Isaac and Jacob’s God.
The Covenant Keeper🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🥰
Thank you.
"whether we are Jew or Gentile... We are fulfilled through Jesus Christ"... Amen 🙏
Galatians 3:28.... There is neither Jew nor Greek
@@nicolasuribestanko Amen. Ephesians 2:14-16 "For he is our peace, who made both groups onea and tore down the dividing wall of hostility. In his flesh, he made of no effect the law consisting of commands and expressed in regulations, so that he might createa in himself oneb new man from the two, resulting in peace. He did this so that he might reconcile both to God in one body through the cross by which he put the hostility to death."
While the Abrahamic covenant has undergone some changes throughout history, the essential promises made to Abraham still stand.
One of the key passages in this discussion is Romans 4:13, which says, "For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith."
this indicates that the promises made to Abraham were not conditional on the Mosaic law, but instead were given to Abraham and his descendants as an everlasting covenant (Genesis 17:7). This proves that the Abrahamic covenant is still relevant and in effect today.
Moreover, Galatians 3:29 states, "And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise." This passage shows that Christians today are considered descendants of Abraham and therefore heirs to the promises made to him through the covenant.
Absolutely strangely I asked Sinclair this question a while back at Ligonier and he said it wasn’t but I asked him because I agree with you sir the land covenants are not in place but the portion of the covenant dealing with universal blessing such as extended beyond Israel is applicable to the church and is not done away with a new covenant.
@@robmarshall956 why aren’t the land covenants still in effect? what nullified them? Not trying to argue, just want the most specific answer for my own studies
@@toughbiblepassages9082 I understand biblically that the Abrahamic Covenant is called ‘eternal’ in Genesis 17:7, 13, 19; 1 Chronicles 16:17; Psalm 105:10. The original promises were given to Abraham without any conditions whatever. The covenant was confirmed by subsequent reiteration and enlargement. It was ratified by an oath of God (Gen 15:7-21), solemnized by the recognized method of confirming an oath (cf. Gen 15:18). It was given a visible symbol in the rite of circumcision (Gen 17:9-14). It was confirmed by the birth of Isaac, by the reiterated promises given to Isaac (Gen 17:19) and to Jacob (Gen 28:12, 13). I believe (Jer 31:35-37) speaks to this also.
If God had intended to convey the impression that the covenant was eternal and unalterable, He could not have used more express and specific language. It is stated that His promises stand in spite of Israel’s sins, and that they are unaltered by them. His promise is declared to be immutable: “Wherein God, being minded to show more abundantly unto the heirs of the promise the immutability of his counsel, interposed with an oath: that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we may have strong encouragement, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us” (Heb 6:17, 18; 6:13-16 ).
The individuals in the church enter into the promises of blessing given to those in Christ and to this extent are the spiritual children of Abraham. This is expressly stated in Scripture: “Know therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the sons of Abraham” (Gal 3:7). The basis for this statement in Galatians, however, is not on any promise given to Israel-and this is very significant. The passage continues: “And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all the nations be blessed. So then they that are of faith are blessed with the faithful Abraham” (Gal 3:7-9). In other words, the portion of the covenant specifically given to Israel is not transferred to the church. Only the portion of the covenant dealing with universal blessing such as extended beyond Israel is applicable to the church.
But I will need to qualify that when I get home and check 👍
@@toughbiblepassages9082Gal3:16-Christ is primary part of his offspring. Secondary are the ones annointed w/Holy Spirit that will rule w/Christ from the Heavens. Rev14:1,3,4,5:9,10. Some of those Christians are natural Jews, but most are Gentiles! The woman producing offspring is none other than “the Jerusalem above”-Gal4:26,31. Abrahamic covenant will bring blessing to righteous mankind. What they did to Jesus open up door for Gentiles!
It seems that some parts of the Abrahamic covenant have two levels of fulfillment. So, Abraham being the father of a multitude has one level of fulfillment in the literal descendants of Abraham, i.e., ethnic Israel, and another level of fulfillment in the spiritual descendants of Abraham, i.e., the church (e.g., Gal 3:7).
One thing I am not sure about is the promise of land to Abraham's descendants. Specifically, I am thinking about ethnic Israel regaining control of land in 1948 and again in 1967. Does this promise of land still apply to ethnic Israel even in New Covenant times?
I’ve been asking myself the same question the past few months. Want to dig deeper into it. But I do not think so. The Kingdom is taken away from them, and given to others. Gods Kingdom is now everywhere on earth were there are true believers.
The state of Israel seems to me more and more ‘self-fulfilling prophecy’. On the other hand it’s clear God does allow it to be and the Jews to remain. But for what reason? That’s not necessarily the promise to Abraham.
@@Lena.9 Thanks for that.
God's kingdom is certainly a kingdom of believers in Christ, Jews and Gentiles. But on the other hand Rom 11:26 seems to prophesy a mass turning of ethnic Jews to Christ:
'And in this way all Israel will be saved . . .'
I do think God still has unfinished business with ethnic Israel, even though things have been fulfilled in Jesus.
Important too is Luke 21:24, where Jesus prophesies:
'Jerusalem will be trampled by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.'
Judging by the context, 'Jerusalem' here seems to be the literal city of Jerusalem. So the verse most naturally seems to suggest that ethnic Jews will regain control over the city after a time when Gentiles are in control. But could it mean something else?
I don't understand how anyone could come to the conclusion that the reestablishment of modern-day Israel isn't a Bible prophecy come true. It's definitely applies to ethnic Israel, yes. What amazes me is that people even debate it. It's right there in the Bible.
@@maxaplin4204 I also do believe Romans 11 does prophecy the conversion of a part of Jewish people. But is this related to an ethnic state of Israel? Imho not, the text doesn’t indicate that. And further there’s only a small percentage of Jews living in Israel. So I pray for the conversion of Jews everywhere.
I am not completely sure about the meaning of ‘the times of the Gentiles’. When this is fulfilled will there again be a time for the Jews or is it indicating the return of Christ and the end of all things? In the latter case this means Jews will never regain control over Jerusalem, which hold to be true until today, even after 75 years of the nation of Israel.
And I do think the ‘times of the Gentiles’ being the last and final time of history also fits Romans 11. Part of Israel is hardened and will remain hardened, meanwhile ‘wild branches’ are grafted in and some of the ‘natural branches’ as well.
Because every true believer, whether Jew or Gentile, is the seed of Abraham (Gal 3:29) we are of the same olive tree. This olive tree with natural and wild branches is symbolic language for Israel, and all of *this* Israel will be saved. It’s talking about spiritual matters (faith) and thus a spiritual Israel which shall be saved.
@@morghe321KJV+) In the same H1931 day H3117 the LORD H3068 made H3772 a covenant H1285 with H854 Abram, H87 saying, H559 Unto thy seed H2233 have I given H5414 this H2063 ( H853 ) land, H776 from the river H4480 H5104 of Egypt H4714 unto H5704 the great H1419 river, H5104 the river H5104 Euphrates: H6578
Note the word seed in the above scripture.
Note the definition of the word seed in the dictionary below.
He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ," quoted from the Sept. of Genesis 13:15; 17:7,8 , there is especial stress on the word "seed," as referring to an individual (here, Christ) in fulfillment of the promises to Abraham, a unique use of the singular. While the plural form "seeds," neither in Hebrew nor in Greek, would have been natural any more than in English (it is not so used in Scripture of human offspring; its plural occurrence is in 1 Samuel 8:15 , of crops), yet if the Divine intention had been to refer to Abraham's natural descendants, another word could have been chosen in the plural, such as "children;" all such words were, however, set aside, "seed" being selected as one that could be used in the singular, with the purpose of showing that the "seed" was Messiah. Some of the rabbis had even regarded "seed," e.g., in Genesis 4:25; Isaiah 53:10 , as referring to the Coming One. Descendants were given to Abraham by other than natural means, so that through him Messiah might come, and the point of the Apostle's argument is that since the fulfillment of the promises of God is secured alone by Christ, they only who are "in Christ" can receive them; (2) of spiritual offspring, Romans 4:16,18; 9:8; here "the children of the promise are reckoned for a seed" points, firstly, to Isaac's birth as being not according to the ordinary course of nature but by Divine promise, and, secondly, by analogy, to the fact that all believers are children of God by spiritual birth; Galatians 3:29 .
As to 1 John 3:9 , "his seed abideth in him," it is possible to understand this as meaning that children of God (His "seed") abide in Him, and do not go on doing (practicing) sin (the verb "to commit" does not represent the original in this passage). Alternatively, the "seed" signifies the principle of spiritual life as imparted to the believer, which abides in him without possibility of removal or extinction; the child of God remains eternally related to Christ, he who lives in sin has never become so related, he has not the principle of life in him. This meaning suits the context and the general tenor of the Epistle.
The abrahamic covenant will be fulfilled in the future. The elect are the heirs of the abrahamic covenant
Greetings
Question, Will we go back to animal sacrifices in the Lord's Millennium reign? See Zachariah 14
Actually Paul does teach that
Excellent - thank God for the few Protestants with the guts to reject dual covenant theology - I wish they’d let you say that on TBN
Does TBN ever have theologians on?
Lol TBN isn't Protestant. Protestant doesn't just mean Non-Roman Catholic
@Clark Dunlap Every preacher is a theologian, every bible believing Christian is a theologian (either sound or unsound). The question is, does TBN ever have any orthodox theologians on...
@@rachray83 point taken and well said!
@@rachray83 Literally nothing you said is supported in scripture.
So, if you would explain what that entails? What would one do to be saved
You must be born again, from above. Be convicted by the Holy Spirit and repent, turn from the old life and die to the flesh and self. Be indwelt by the Holy Psirit promised by all the prophets. You should already know that if you have ever been around sound doctrine. You need to go and get it
The land promise has not yet been fulfilled. This is also a part of the Abrahamic covenant. While the seed leading to Christ has indeed been fulfilled, the promise of the Hebrews occupying that land and possessing the gates of their enemies is yet future, along with the future literal physical Kingdom headed up by Israel's Messiah, who we know to be Jesus Christ.
Amen!!
Yahweh told Abraham , “I’m giving you the plot of land the Hittites live on. I’m giving you the Kenizzites plot of land.” ( Gen. 15) There is no reason to spiritualize or typologize Yahweh’s words which are that clear and precise. Reformed theology’s surface level view of the covenants makes Yahweh untrustworthy because He ends up becoming the king of equivocation.
@@theocratickingdom30the bible means nothing to you only your goofy cult leaders lies
Dispensationalism is an erroneous eschatological system of doctrine invented by two Jesuit priests, Luis Alcazar and Manuel Ribera. It was then picked up and further developed by a man named Edward Irving and later John Nelson Darby in the 1830s in England. Finally, Cyrus Ingram Scofield incorporated these ideas into his Scofield Reference Bible in 1909/1917, and that's how it caught on in America where it began to spread and promoted by various Bible colleges/institutes and theological seminaries, most notably Dallas Theological Seminary. There are still many seminaries that still teach this false doctrine today, one prominent one is The Master's Seminary (John MacArthur's folks). Anyone who hasn't already done so, please research this out because no one in Protestant circles believed this doctrine before the 1830s and it's completely false.
Then what is Joshua 21 all about?
Amen.
Just ask yourself, does God go back on His promise? Count your blessings Israel rejected Jesus, it's the only reason you've became adopted/ grafted in to God's promise to Abraham. †
God didn't change his plans derelict zionist
This man conflates the covenants to his own loss. The Abrahamic covenant is unconditional and seperate to the new covenant. I would hate to do business with you if you think agreements can be manipulated like that.
It remains in operation today as an unconditional everlasting covenant “ throughout their generations “ ( Gen 17, 7)
What would the original audience have understood when these prophesies took place? The promises talk of Abraham receiving an heir, obtaining a reputation, being a blessing and receiving a land. No believer disputes that the first three were literally fulfilled. So why not the land as well?
The land is eternal and forever. The only land that can be eternal is Jesus’ eternal kingdom! The land was a symbol of the eternal inheritance through the promised seed- Jesus. Land is no longer significant. If it is, than Jesus died for nothing!
If land is not significant then why, according to scripture , is Jesus specifically returning to the Mount of Olives, East Jerusalem…….Israel?
Do you believe that David, Micah, Isaiah , Amos, Ezekiel,Zephaniah and Zechariah understood a future Davidic Kingdom and Jerusalem in spiritualised terms?
If you are going to play the spiritualisation of texts game then there was a fundamental misunderstanding of Gods revelation to them at the time or a gross failure in their conveying the message to the respective audiences. If that’s your view, then bible interpretation becomes a free for all.
Your comment regarding the Lord dying in vain if land remains significant is troubling.
If God’s unambiguous, clearly defined promises, confirmed with an oath can be nullified then that actually makes Him to be a liar.
@@baberean4474 Dispensational literal hermeneutics are so flawed. Sigh...
@@SavedByTheBloodOfChrist551 I'm not a dispensationalist, nor would I choose to go down that route as it's a flawed system of interpretation
@@baberean4474 I'm glad to hear that, and pardon my assumption. Generally when I see people referring to the land promises being yet future they are usually dispensationalists. I wish everyone understood that all the land promises to Abraham/Israel were completely fulfilled as per Joshua ch. 21. So therefore any future fulfillment is null, including the modern state of Israel now, which means nothing as far as any promises or prophecy is concerned. Blessings in Christ to you.
Total fulfillment in the millennium
There won't be a millennium.
One of the fictions of Dispensationalism.
@@stuartjohnson5686
"Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time."
Revelation 20:1-3
@@jessyjonas4988 why is the thousand years a literal thousand years, yet in the same verse, the dragon, the chain, the key and the pit is not interpreted literally?
@@e.t.h.559 because this is the way the Scriptures are written you know that. Some things are literal some are not. It is all contextual and you know that.
This guy speaks of the covenants as if they were all one in the same. Now possible to be completely fulfilled because of Christ? Yes. Fully fulfilled as of today? No.
This is the Abrahamic covenant we are talking about.
*Why do you say no, brother? Can you explain your answer?*
@@johndethan2008 read the covenant and decide for yourself without over generalizing or over spiritualizing the implications.
I don’t want to assume you meant any disrespect by saying “this guy”, but I do wonder if you know who ‘this guy’ is.
I’m not saying he’s the smartest guy in the world and
Never wrong about anything, but he is highly qualified to speak on all things theological, and is one of the most humble men I have ever heard speak.
Just saying. ;-)
@clarkdunlap9554 certainly. This definitely the biggest disagreement I've at at this point. Been following him for years. Much respect.
@@CalderaFinance*❤❤❤Ya, I've read the covenant and I decide for myself and I totally agree with pastor Sinclair Ferguson's teaching.*
*It seems you have difficulty to understand explanation of pastor Sinclair Ferguson. My regards for you from Jakarta, that you may find the wisdom of God in this matter.* 🙏
BS. Gentles were always open to belong to God if they repeated and lived by his moral law. Period. Religion created by false apostles and deceptions of blind guides. All anyone has to trust is in the Father ALONE our ONLY SAVIOR Isaiah 43:11. Humanity lost the plot over 2500 years ago.
Exactly. There is not one covenant for the Jews and another for Gentiles. But the Preterist claim that the modern state of Israel is somehow irrelevant is a colossal failure. Christ comes to literally reign on the Earth, physically and really, not figuratively, and will rule over all the world with his saints from Jerusalem, Israel, thus fulfilling the words of the prophets
He will come back but he’s not setting up shop in Jerusalem for 1000 years so people can get on a bus and sort out there life, when the trumpet 🎺 sounds that’s it, you are either in or out. Otherwise you believe that physical death will continue to exist beyond the time of Christ’s second coming as spoken to in rev20:7-10 or that the natural creation will continue beyond the time of Christ’s second coming, you have to believe that the redemption of the natural creation and its being set free from corruption doesn’t occur until 1000 subsequent to Christ’s return ? Also that unbelieving men and women still have the opportunity for saving faith ? That unbelievers will not be finally resurrected until a 1000 years and finally judged and cast into eternal punishment till 1000 years subsequent to Christ’s return ?. The problem with all this is death is defeated and swallowed up in victory at the parousia, natural creation is set free, new heavens and new earth are introduced, final judgment occurs this makes then premillennialism position an impossibility let alone what rev 20 has to say🤷♂️
@@robmarshall956 hey rob, do you think it’s possible that glorified humans could coexist with “natural” humans in a global “kingdom” situation where those glorified would be in charge of “10 cities” or “5 cities” or whatever? I know all of us who love the Lord want to be “right”, to rightly divide scripture, and my proposal would also allow for a resurrection at the end of the millennium.
Just an idea. …
@@Steblu74 no I don’t think Anyone will be in there new bodies and glorified on earth until the end whereby everyone else is in hell.
@@robmarshall956 But aren’t the “new heaven and new earth“ seen AFTER the millennium (Rev 21:1)? Whatever it will be? It will be good… And it will be the best!
You're in a Zionist cult waiting for a 3rd coming from a changing puppet god to your fundamentalist americanized tradition you don't have any real Christianity.
Israel is not important they hate YHVH and his Christ and the same is true for America.
No
Father Abraham, had many sons
One day, Israel will repent, be forgiven, and be restored to God’s favor (𝐙𝐄𝐂𝐇𝐀𝐑𝐈𝐀𝐇 𝟏𝟐:𝟏𝟎-𝟏𝟒; 𝐑𝐎𝐌𝐀𝐍𝐒 𝟏𝟏:𝟐𝟓-𝟐𝟕).