How To Finish A Rod Blank Using A Cheap And Easy Rod Blank Finish
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- This product allows you to easily and quickly apply a protective finish to your rod blank. It is durable and easy to find at retail stores. I hope you find this video useful and happy rod building!
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I have finished my bamboo rods with the GG Original and the Clear for the past two and a half years. I also did a graphite rod two years ago. You are correct in giving credit to the bamboo rod making community, but to be accurate, Tim Anderson came up with the idea and technique years ago. He is a bamboo rod maker from California and he produced a PDF document on the technique. I have also used Elmer’s and Titebond PU glue and they work just as well.
Yes, I have read his article! I couldn't recall his name while I was editing the video, but I should have looked it up and mentioned him by name. I pinned this comment so people can see who it was that came up with the idea and here is a link to the PDF for anyone interested: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1581/5753/files/GG_Finishing_Final.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjNvsSC_LLmAhVS1qwKHb6pCWQQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw3t3gjXQ7Ecvw6zq980RdOA&cshid=1576254561834
I am so happy to have a channel like yours that teaches smart things - just a pleasure to watch every video !!! Thanks
I really appreciate that! I have the guide alignment video coming up next that you had asked about. I will work on it tomorrow 👍
Thanks for doing this video. I was fishing at a jetty when I chipped my 11’ Penn battalion spinning rod. I fell down and dropped my rod on the rocks pretty good. I was able to fill in the chipped area with this GG white after scuffing it down with 600 grits and following that whole guide section. I’ve put about 5 coats and lightly sanded before every coat with 600 and the chipped section has improved a lot and is not as noticeable.
I’m glad you were able to repair the finish using this technique!
The clear will probably work really nice too. Appreciate your videos...they are really informative and easy to understand. Keep putting out great content and be well.
Thank you! The clear is a different kind of adhesive that doesn't dry as hard. I like it on wraps because it looks similar to epoxy, but I think it would be too bulky for a whole rod blank. I haven't tried it though.
Great vid bro!
Nice video with good information what about if we use the gorilla glue the clear one cuz doesn't do foam when dry
It isn't as hard as the regular and white gorilla glue is. Someone told me somewhere in these comments (I think) that they had tried it and it worked for them.
Love this. Something like this is what I been looking for. I didn't want to spend a whole lot because I am not hardcore into rod building.I just have a handful of old rods that were my dads and some were mine from when I was a child. I learned my lesson with rattle can stuff when I was young. Thanks man
No problem. The gorilla glue will be exactly what you were wanting in my opinion 👍
THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE! I lost my dad this year and I have some cat poles that we have had for over 20 yrs, (daddy definitely the, if it ain’t broke kinda man) that have the old varnish flaking off that I want to restore and I think I just found the answer to my problem, not sure if I’m gonna end up wall hanging them in honor or taking them with me and my boys as a way to keep some of our fishing stories alive!!! Thank you brother, you just got my sub, and I can’t wait to get home and see your other content!!!!❤
Good luck to you with those catfish rods 👍
Every year i use car wax to combat faded finishes. Start doing it when the rod is new. Just dab on fingertips and rub in well. Then buff off. I have rods that are 30+ years old and still look brand new.
Gorilla Glue CLEAR worked for me. Did this on three old rods. Doesn't look professional if you have GOOD eyes with magnifying glasses on. Have to really nit pick it. This was all caused by ME, not the glue. Glue works fine guys. If you can apply it evenly, this is awesome. I didn't spend a lot of time on my old rods. Still it looks fantastic with a ton of shine. I globed it on right out of the bottle. Didn't use a small brush. Reason for the above comments about MY poor but actually good looking glue job. Thumbs up for GG Clear.
Just to clarify (pun intended 😁) you used the bottle labeled "Clear" gorilla glue and not the bottle labeled "White" which is also clear, correct? The labeling is confusing (way to go Gorilla Glue 👍).
The one I used in this video was the "White" which would make a thinner and harder finish than the bottle they label as "Clear" like I used to finish guide wraps in a previous video.
@@TheFishingHobby I put it in all caps to clarify I used the clear formula.
Just wanting to paint a really clear 😂 picture for anyone reading through the comments! I still haven't tried the clear on a blank personally, but happy to hear it is holding up well for you 👍
Don't use the white formula, clear is what I used with great success. It actually got clearer once it set up. Next day it looks really good. No mixing and can buy it at any hardware store. Seems almost jel like.
@@TheFishingHobby Try it will no regrets man.
Thanks man!!!! Very Nice!!!!
If you press the nozzle against a disposable plate a bit you and then squeeze the glue you dont get bubbles i had to use a brush for touch ups and small work
Great idea!
Thank you! I can't take credit though. The bamboo guys have been using the brown GG as a finish for several years. It is surprising how similar it is to the one part Urethane blank finish products.
Thank you so much it’s time for me to get to work really appreciate the help I think this would have been a lot less complicated if my dad didn’t like the older ugly stik fishing rods I really don’t know why he likes them so much it’s like holding a brick in your hand but he love them in his a great dad I just hope he doesn’t want me to do all of them after I’m done thanks again GOD BLESS
The old Ugly Stik rods are tough, I'm sure that is why he likes them. I have broken a lot of graphite rods. I've never broken a fiberglass rod 👍 They also have a slower action a lot of people like (myself included).
Good luck with it, hope it turns out great!
Just curious. I just did this on a couple rods. Is it to make it shiny? Cover up blemishes? I did put too much on one spot. It was ugly and needed sanding. You make great videos. Thanks,Sam
Thank you! It is to protect the blank itself. It leaves a thin hard protective layer on a raw blank.
Huge win. Thank you!
Since you said it has no UV protection, if the GG finish starts to deteriorate, can it be scraped off or sanded for a fresh coat?
Yes it can. You can even do blemish touchups pretty easily. I’d recommend scraping over sanding personally.
I've been wondering about fiberglass resin like you would use on a boat or car repair. and how it would do on a carbon or graphite blank that has had all the finish sanded off. And what would be the best way to apply it. Or if it's just a bad idea altogether.
I'm sure it would work, but it would be a lot more work getting it on and in an even coat. Another option is the oil based Helmsman Spar Urethane. I've used it on an old fiberglass rod blank before. Very slow drying stuff and it stinks pretty bad but it makes a nice blank finish (a lot of the bamboo rod builders use it). If you are looking for cheap, fast and easy, the White Gorilla Glue is the easiest option in my opinion. Just make sure it is a very thin coat and it won't give you any problems and it will be dry very quickly too.
When using the GG do you dampen rod?
No, I just put it on the dry blank.
On one of your videos which I can't seem to find right now, You used a Elmers clear glue that seem to work good for Color preservance of thread. Which one was that, I will look at hobby lobby for it. It takes too long to shop online and ship supplies in. I also used your advice to used embroidery thread, but found it is thicker (diameter) thus it was difficult to pull back under wrap without dragging the wraps crooked, any advice. Thanks!!!!!!!
Machine embroidery thread is actually thinner than size A rod wrapping thread. It is so thin it is hard for some people to see. That is what I use personally. I think this is the video you are looking for. Mod Podge makes the best color preserver IMO ruclips.net/video/H1jubPw4jLM/видео.html
@@TheFishingHobby Oh ok, I will have to look again, I found the embroidery thread at HobbyLob, packaged like a shoelace -not on a spool, it is like a string, I think that is all they had at that store. I will have to look again, thanks
No problem! That type of thread you found is for hand embroidery. Those are usually made of cotton. You want polyester machine embroidery thread like this that comes on a spool. Coats & Clark Polyester Machine Yale Blue Embroidery Thread, 300 Yd.
www.walmart.com/ip/Coats-Clark-Polyester-Machine-Yale-Blue-Embroidery-Thread-300-Yd/146413308
Do I do this to my ugly stik that I sanded down to the fiberglass before or after I paint the rod in put new eyes on I do have flex coat rod finish in the glue stuff for the new handle in rod seat do I use that or still put glue like in video thank you so much for the help there’s no video’s at all on RUclips where they start from the fiberglass that’s why I thought I made a big boo boo thank you again for the help GOD BLESS
If you are painting the rod, do that first. A painted rod will need something like an automotive clear coat on top to protect the paint instead of the glue like I showed in the video. After it is painted and dry, then you use the clear coat to seal the paint. After that you will install all of your components (grips, reel seat, guides). Then you will epoxy the guide wraps.
Does that glue take away from the flexablity of the rod?
No it does not. It is a polyurethane and most rod finish is urethane.
When doing a 4pc fly rod, do you apply finish/GG through the entirety of each section?
What I mean is should I leave the ferrule connection male portion blank? Wondering if finish on the area will make the rod hard to fit together?
I leave ferrule areas raw unless they are loose fitting. That usually isn't an issue until the rod has been used a lot.
@@TheFishingHobby thanks as always for the prompt replies!
I generally build on blanks as is (natural graphite or whatever finish/color is already on) but I tried some of the GG on a scrap blank section, and I am pleased with the results.
I am about to apply this to my current build for my hiking trout rod. 4wt 4pc pacific bay arctos blank.
What did you sand the blank with? I am concerned about scratching the blank using any grit that is too abrasive
I didn't sand it, I scrapped the finish off with a single sided razor blade. Hold the blade 90° and lightly scrape the finish off. I try not to use sand paper on the blank finish because the grit depth varies across the surface. A razorblade doesn't so in my opinion it is a better choice.
Do you trust or think wrapping over this would be ok now that it’s been a while?
I will wrap over the original or white gorilla glue the same day I put it on. It dries really quick. This is not the same as the clear gorilla glue you have used as a wrap finish on your catfish rods that you left comments about on the video I had covering that subject. The original and "white" gorilla glue are polyurethane glues. The white gorilla glue looks clear in the bottle, so that can be a little confusing.
@@TheFishingHobby speaking of the clear how has yours held up? Mine are doing good.
@@charlescarter6175 I haven't had any problems with anything I used it on so far. I think that is a pretty good alternative to epoxy. It isn't perfect, but pretty quick and easy and it makes removing a guide a lot easier if you ever need to replace one in the future.
Welp, I've been trying this for nearly a month now on a graphite rod blank and it isn't working. The first coat was amazing and dried quickly in a 72 degree controlled environment. 2nd coat, 3rd coat and 4th coat just never dried, no matter how thin the coats were. 2nd and 3rd coat had 96 hours between coats. 3rd and 4th coat had 2 weeks between coats. Its still super tacky. Maybe my bottle is old or needs a mix but it its not working as intended.
It's hard for me to say exactly what is going wrong without being there. Are you 100% certain the glue you have is a polyurethane glue? The reason I ask is because Gorilla Glue makes several different products but not all of them are polyurethane based. You may do some looking around online to see if you can find some helpful information. Like I said, I didn't come up with this process, but I have used it and it works for me. The bamboo rod builders have been using it for several years now. Here is just one example of some posts where you might find some helpful tips: classicflyrodforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=127045
Question, what size grid sandpaper did you use to sand the blank?
I used the maroon colored scotch-brite pads that are the equivalent of around 320 grit.
@@TheFishingHobby thank you
No problem and good luck with your rod building!
How did the GG hold up?
It works just fine. I have a few rods with gorilla glue finish. No issues at all with them.
I am going to try this. So you recommend GG white over clear?
The White is the one to use. You can also use the original gorilla glue on brown fiberglass blanks since it is an amber colored glue.
@@TheFishingHobby thanks for the prompt reply. How long between coats should I wait if I want to build up the finish to more gloss with a few coats?
@@se4000 it drys quick, but you have to do it really thin so that it doesn't try to foam up. I want to say it is dry to the touch in about 20 minutes or so if I remember correctly. When it is dry to the touch, you can add more. Here is another video I did showing how the dark colored polyurethane glues (like original gorilla glue) look on a brown fiberglass rod. ruclips.net/video/0yaqBmmT6HE/видео.html
@@TheFishingHobby awesome thanks for the quick help. One more question what do you recommend for marking guide spacing? I'm not a fan of the China marker and prefer a finer tip. I think I remember possibly in one of your videos mention the Crayola markers? Some people are mention gel pens.
I like to use the washable markers (like Crayola) myself. They are inexpensive and easy to find. They are easy to wipe off, so some people might not like that. It doesn't create a problem for me personally and I like being able to remove the marks quickly and easily if I want to change something up. Everyone has their own personal preferences, so I'd recommend trying a few different ways to see what works best for you.
Is it ok to use epoxy for the whole blank or a varnish to clear coat a blank? Thanks
Spar urethane varnish is commonly used as a blank finish. A better choice in my opinion is a urethane blank finish like Bullard's CPXtra or Permagloss. Epoxy is pretty heavy and not really made for that purpose. I haven't tried it personally though.
@@TheFishingHobby thank you so much for giving me an idea. God bless.
@@TheFishingHobby So would the gorilla glue white be the cheaper option instead of putting a urethane finish or epoxy coat on the entire rod correct? Also does the gorilla glue fill in little scratches and marks on the blank.
I would add this to existing rods that I’ve beaten up over the years.
It will fill in scratches, but you will probably have to wet sand between coats to help level everything out. If there is any existing finish on your rod, you will want to wet sand it too so the gorilla glue will bond to it better. It is a good option, but not as good as a one part urethane finish. Still very durable and inexpensive.
is clear gorilla glue a comparable product? the last 2 stores i've been to have had the original and / or clear only.
The clear doesn't dry and become as hard as the original and the white. I have found a few uses for the clear though that you can see in these two videos:
ruclips.net/video/36x-jQ7pWIE/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/vALgsPnQzd4/видео.html
@@TheFishingHobby thanks! i'll find the white. appreciate your reply and vids, good stuff!
Thanks!
Does the gg dry tacky?
No it doesn't. It drys hard and slick 👍
Why not use the Gorilla glue clear. It does not foam and the white is not clear or is it clear
The “white” dries clear and is a polyurethane glue like original gorilla glue. Polyurethane glue put on very thin dries very hard and flexible and weighs very little and is very similar to a urethane finish you would find on a modern fishing rod. The clear gorilla glue can’t go on as thin, weighs more and is softer almost like silicone. It is not a polyurethane but an entirely different sort of adhesive.
@@TheFishingHobby Thanks for the clarification. I was misinformed about clear being polyethylene
Meant polyurethane
Can i use the gorilla glue (original)??
Yes, but it has a brown color to it.
I like to use the original gorilla glue on brown fiberglass rods like the one in this video: ruclips.net/video/0yaqBmmT6HE/видео.html
@@TheFishingHobby Thankyou very much.
I'll check on it
Y'all better keep this hush hush or gorilla glue will stop selling it and start selling a new and improved "fishing rod finish" that costs 100x as much.😂👍💯
I know 😂
sorry to go off topic, but I have an old saltwater fishing rod that you would see on a party fishing boat. the ?rubber? butt cap is missing, any suggestion where to find a replacement? any help would be greatly appreciated
mudhole.com/products/fuji-tapered-rubber-caps