Making an Engine Turned Watch Dial

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  • Опубликовано: 19 окт 2021
  • I'm back! Took some time away from content creation to develop some new stuff for my brand. I've taken a slightly different approach to this video; no talking or narration, just making chips.
    In this video I make a dial for an upcoming series of watches. The dial is a monoblock construction with integrated dial feet. It starts off as a bar of 360 brass and is carved away into a engine turned (guilloche) dial that is finished off with a plating of rose gold. The dial will receive black polished applied indices and black polished and blued steel hands.
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  • @alsadaj1834
    @alsadaj1834 Год назад +6

    You're a lucky guy to not only have access to all these truly remarkable machines but to be able to use them so well. Thanks for taking us back to pre- CNC days!.

  • @grzegorzsobczak8167
    @grzegorzsobczak8167 2 года назад +2

    Amazing job! Saw Your first videos on building the turning engine months ago and greatly anticipated the results. They are stunning!

  • @ReubenSchoots
    @ReubenSchoots 2 года назад +2

    Yes! I've waited a year for this. Brilliant work Darren. Much respect 🙏

  • @ateliervipond
    @ateliervipond 2 года назад

    So happy you're back making videos. Wonderful to see more of the process!

  • @richardnedbalek1968
    @richardnedbalek1968 Год назад +1

    The satisfaction you must receive from both admiring your own work and having it admired.

  • @homeworkshopengineering
    @homeworkshopengineering Год назад +2

    Beautiful work there. I started making myself a watch many years ago and put it aside. This is very motivating to get it done. I say watch, I mean case

  • @chrisblight6069
    @chrisblight6069 2 года назад +11

    Saw this on Instagram, very nice work on the Guilloche, and the integrated dial feet are a clever addition. Certainly gives the whole thing more strength, dial feet are a pain to fix normally.

  • @michaelmartinez5365
    @michaelmartinez5365 Год назад

    That is an absolutely stunning dial!! Kudos 👏

  • @garyshirinian
    @garyshirinian 2 года назад

    Amazing work thx for sharing.
    I wish I had a chance to do what you do.
    Such pleasure watching work being done on guilloche machines when you see taking life of its own.

  • @RedPandaLesbian
    @RedPandaLesbian 2 года назад

    Beautiful, thanks for sharing your process!

  • @KylesKinetics
    @KylesKinetics Год назад +1

    I’ve worked with metal in the form of welded sculptures for ten years. I’ve loved watches for longer. I started taking machining classes and I can’t stop thinking about watch making like this. I’d do anything to be able to machine watch parts and work in that art/engineering medium

  • @paulschumacker9901
    @paulschumacker9901 2 года назад

    WOW! I would love to learn how to do that! Many thanks for showing us what is possible!

  • @LawrenceButcher
    @LawrenceButcher 2 года назад +1

    You milled the feet in, serious flex you animal! Love you're work and great to see some content again. Keep it up.

  • @TheRecreationalMachinist
    @TheRecreationalMachinist 2 года назад

    Enjoyed watching, thanks for sharing! 👍 🇬🇧

  • @zachsmith3524
    @zachsmith3524 Год назад +1

    Nice adaptive tool path and Swiss tears 😂. Your process is great Darren!

  • @minhoonyoo9657
    @minhoonyoo9657 2 года назад

    Great result and quality video! thanks for sharing your work :D

  • @DarkPa1adin
    @DarkPa1adin 2 года назад

    so much work just to make one dial... this is insane quality!

  • @robdon6458
    @robdon6458 2 года назад

    You do some really lovely work. I hope your watchmaking enterprise is wildly successful.

  •  2 года назад +5

    Super nice work bro.

  • @feafajic6392
    @feafajic6392 Год назад

    Excellent craftmanship

  • @JeePeeEs
    @JeePeeEs 4 месяца назад

    great video & beautiful work

  • @manuelr.s6328
    @manuelr.s6328 Год назад

    WOW...stunning, thanks so much for showing the process

  • @colerogers3137
    @colerogers3137 Год назад +1

    I machine my own dials, not with a rose engine lathe but with a manual mill and lathe. I had some trouble with super glue holding throughout the process so I switched to JB Kwik weld. When I’m finished I soak it in acetone for a few hours and it comes right off.

  • @christopherperisho4819
    @christopherperisho4819 Месяц назад

    Earned a sub for the "Swiss Tears". Great video, beautiful dial!

  • @harryhirsch3637
    @harryhirsch3637 2 года назад

    Great video. The plating part is very helpful. For the turning, us normal mortals will have to find a way with a china cnc-router... But that dial looks stunning!

  • @Saving-Time
    @Saving-Time Год назад

    That's amazing really nice work. I'm impressed

  • @SwissplWatches
    @SwissplWatches 2 года назад

    totally incredible!!!

  • @CMacE920
    @CMacE920 2 года назад

    Beautiful!

  • @Karol235
    @Karol235 Год назад

    fantastic job!

  • @brennerheavy
    @brennerheavy 2 года назад

    Awesome work brother, if I could "like" it twice, I would.

  • @AppliedCryogenics
    @AppliedCryogenics Год назад

    I like the mad scientist plating baths! I tried doing something like that once, and every single ferrous object in my garage rusted overnight. Even hot-blued things. It was very surprising. Maybe I shouldn't have run so much current through the HCl solution that steamed all night. ;)

  • @tomcruz3774
    @tomcruz3774 Год назад

    That's amazing. I was searching on yt how certain dial patterns were made and found your video.

    • @anad2982
      @anad2982 Год назад

      You really like this video? It is different. Old technology don’t you reckon?

  • @stephlaw5958
    @stephlaw5958 Год назад

    Real nice! Great work. Keep it up :))

  • @petercozzaglio6070
    @petercozzaglio6070 Год назад

    Beautiful.

  • @Likeaudio
    @Likeaudio 2 года назад

    Nice work

  • @campbellmorrison8540
    @campbellmorrison8540 9 месяцев назад +1

    Fascinating seeing the whole process, Im really surprised at how little time was required in the rose gold plating bath. Im loving how you make your own gear

  • @TheKnacklersWorkshop
    @TheKnacklersWorkshop 2 года назад

    An enjoyable video, thank you

  • @andrejohnson6731
    @andrejohnson6731 Месяц назад

    Amazing ❤

  • @azazel7996
    @azazel7996 Год назад

    beautiful

  • @jemofficialromantic492
    @jemofficialromantic492 Год назад

    Very very nice

  • @pamdemonia
    @pamdemonia Год назад

    Lovely!

  • @hutchdw77
    @hutchdw77 2 года назад +5

    The “Swiss Tears” bucket got my subscription.

  • @stewartmcmanus3991
    @stewartmcmanus3991 Год назад

    Amazing.

  • @SingaporeTravellerAdventure
    @SingaporeTravellerAdventure 2 года назад

    Nice! Thanks for sharing. Wish you happiness, health, and peace, stay in touch🙏😊

  • @tito_662
    @tito_662 Год назад

    Awesome work. Any update on this piece?

  • @jozefnovak7750
    @jozefnovak7750 Год назад

    Super! Thank you very much!

  • @imajeenyus42
    @imajeenyus42 2 года назад +1

    There's something so satisfying about seeing the pantograph engraver in action! Did you experience any problems with the brass blank warping after so much material had been removed from one face during milling? Funnily enough, I did something similar a few weeks ago, and the blank warped and popped off the holder half way through. It might be something to do with the alloy though - it looks like you have a free-machining material, more like you'd get in bar form, while I had the ductile stuff (long string chips when turning).

    • @DMTiffanyTimepieces
      @DMTiffanyTimepieces  2 года назад +1

      I'm using 360 brass (free machining) in extruded bar form. So far it's been super stable while machining. I remove nearly equal amounts from both sides, and the dials have been coming out dead flat. The lead content allows it to machine more powdery, you can especially see it while engine turning. It breaks the chips off very short, when non-leaded brass alloys will produce a long stringy chip.

    • @imajeenyus42
      @imajeenyus42 2 года назад

      @@DMTiffanyTimepieces Thanks, that makese sense. 360 sounds about the same as the CZ121 we have here.

  • @jcs6347
    @jcs6347 2 года назад

    I have thoroughly enjoyed this. I am new hobby guy and never knew what a rose or straight engine were until I watched your videos on them last nite. I am looking for how you make the indices now.
    I like the different format for this demonstration. I also really like your detailed video 1 and 2 on how you are to make the straight line engine. I have most that equipment at home or work and can't wait for you to finish the straight line engine and potentially make one myself.
    Thanks for sharing!

  • @emalis
    @emalis Год назад +1

    Hi! Thanks for the video! What is the name of the guilloche machine and where can I buy it?

  • @sphandengraving5691
    @sphandengraving5691 Год назад +1

    Truly amazing work! Are you on Instagram? Do you sale any of your dials? I came across this from searching his to solder feet on as I’m trying to get some black dials for hand engraving. I sure hope you make some more videos this is something I can come to RUclips for thanks for sharing respectfully Paul

  • @misterhatman5771
    @misterhatman5771 Год назад

    Just found this. Didn’t know you could hook a pantograph up to a mill!!! What’s the feed back and haptics like?

  • @vidsantoro
    @vidsantoro 2 года назад

    Swiss tears, lol. Great video!

  • @soundmindtv2911
    @soundmindtv2911 Год назад

    "Swiss tears" 😂

  • @ProbablyAtTheOffice
    @ProbablyAtTheOffice 3 месяца назад

    Hell yeah that is so neat. I wanna get in to making watches and this dial is incredibly inspiring 🔥💪

  • @zumwild
    @zumwild 2 года назад

    Born feet first! So beautiful to "watch" :-)

  • @druma159
    @druma159 2 года назад

    So glad to see you back. This video is awesome. Are you planning on releasing any more about your straight line lathe?

    • @DMTiffanyTimepieces
      @DMTiffanyTimepieces  2 года назад

      I probably won't be revisiting the straight line build for a little while. Though I do plan on making a video on my Hall straight line engine that I restored.

    • @druma159
      @druma159 2 года назад

      @@DMTiffanyTimepieces Ahh, that is what I saw in the backgound. Would love to see a vid.

  • @joshuanapier1463
    @joshuanapier1463 2 года назад +1

    Really interested by your use of the pantograph to creat the dial feet. May I ask why you do it that way rather than milling and either tacking or gluing the dial feet in position??

    • @DMTiffanyTimepieces
      @DMTiffanyTimepieces  2 года назад +1

      The milled dial feet are just way stronger and more accurately placed than soldered feet.

  • @RossWristWatchLove
    @RossWristWatchLove 2 года назад

    Fire!!!!

  • @dimman77
    @dimman77 2 года назад

    Great video, but any reason you don't just face the backside on the lathe then spotface and solder on some lathe turned dial feet?
    I mean besides just for showing how awesome pantograph milling is.

    • @DMTiffanyTimepieces
      @DMTiffanyTimepieces  2 года назад +1

      The milled feet are significantly stronger and more accurate than soldered feet. It's worth the extra material/time to do it this way to avoid having to scrap a dial with hours of work into it because one of the feet fails.

  • @BaltimoreKnifeandSwordCo
    @BaltimoreKnifeandSwordCo 2 года назад

    Thanks for sharing this!! Anyone dreaming of a good pantograph let me know. I have a heavy spindle Gorton P2-2 available very cheap. Love to see it go to a new craftsmen. I replaced it with a P1-3. Located in 21104 USA at a fraction of what I paid.

  • @thibaultravel9331
    @thibaultravel9331 Год назад

    That’s amazing and tasteful as well. How much are the watches ?
    Any plans on selling dials?

  • @ShashankD137
    @ShashankD137 2 года назад

    Amazing. Do u sell them ?

  • @ammonrichards3131
    @ammonrichards3131 Год назад

    Have you made a video about the process you showed in the video of changing the color of the brass?

  • @TheLeeattwood
    @TheLeeattwood Год назад

    Wicked 🎉

  • @nunsc
    @nunsc Год назад

    where can I buy a dial like this?? it's for a custom mod.

  • @wannabecarguy
    @wannabecarguy Год назад

    I know a machine shop that specializes in impossible things. They lack what it takes to make this type of master piece.

  • @abdulrehmanahmedshaik19
    @abdulrehmanahmedshaik19 2 года назад

    Amazing do u sell them?

  • @leahannwhite1111
    @leahannwhite1111 Год назад +1

    Can you tell us more about these machines you are using?

  • @zeemonkee13
    @zeemonkee13 2 года назад +2

    Fascinating process. Just wondering how you harvested that much Swiss Tears?

    • @DMTiffanyTimepieces
      @DMTiffanyTimepieces  2 года назад +5

      When I tell them that I make watches in imperial measurements, the tears flow like the river Nile.

    • @zeemonkee13
      @zeemonkee13 2 года назад

      @@DMTiffanyTimepieces 😹🎉

  • @garyshirinian
    @garyshirinian 2 года назад

    Here I'm watching again your video.
    It's so beautiful.
    What kind of rosette are you using, what the pattern looks like. It's incredible.

    • @DMTiffanyTimepieces
      @DMTiffanyTimepieces  2 года назад

      Thanks Gary. The rosette is a 24 wave, 0.005" amplitude.

    • @garyshirinian
      @garyshirinian 2 года назад

      @@DMTiffanyTimepieces thx very much. When I retire in 5 years I feel like making a small one for hobby.
      I wish that I could come and yours someday. I live Toronto Canada 🇨🇦.
      Thx for replying.
      So I'm guessing that it's radius not just a step. Is 6" in diameter? Because when I look it seems about there. Thx again

    • @DMTiffanyTimepieces
      @DMTiffanyTimepieces  2 года назад

      @@garyshirinian My rosettes are 5.25" in diameter. The pattern looks just like a low amplitude sine wave, but wrapped around a circle. Very smooth transitions, and I'm using a ball bearing as the touch piece.

    • @garyshirinian
      @garyshirinian 2 года назад

      @@DMTiffanyTimepieces thx for replying. I would use also ball bearing.
      Is it just in .005 or in .005 out .005

  • @douglaslodge8580
    @douglaslodge8580 2 года назад

    Did you build the lathe ?

  • @_GOD_HAND_
    @_GOD_HAND_ 4 месяца назад

    Did you build that rose engine yourself? Incredible

  • @jeroennishikigoi1164
    @jeroennishikigoi1164 11 месяцев назад

    I wish i could learn this somewhere

  • @andrewspence3171
    @andrewspence3171 Год назад

    I have no abilities to make a thing like this. What amazed me, was the number of steps taken to make the finished ( except for numbers and hands) dial. I would probably make a real mess of it if I tried. I would take the brass bar, face it in the lathe, part it off, glue it to a support and mill out the 12 recesses, then mill the pattern, then plate it. Where is that wrong? ( sorry, should have said, the dial is superb)

  • @melody3741
    @melody3741 7 месяцев назад

    WHAT!!!!! Milling the feet like that???? Holy shit????

  • @deadprivacy
    @deadprivacy Год назад

    "swiss tears" lol

  • @vidsantoro
    @vidsantoro Год назад

    I gotta ask: what's the difference between depth of cut and total depth?

  • @user-ei2de3cs8g
    @user-ei2de3cs8g 2 года назад

    good mashine)

  • @feynthefallen
    @feynthefallen Год назад

    Is that what they do in Geneva to make these super expensive watches.

  • @yesjared950
    @yesjared950 Год назад

    Do you know any watch dial manufacture?

  • @satyris410
    @satyris410 Год назад +1

    I would so much prefer just listening to the ambient noise, rather than the muzak. Masterful work, thank you for sharing.

  • @JacobthePoshPotato
    @JacobthePoshPotato Год назад

    Why not use CNC, is it not precise enough?

  • @aliaslan4164
    @aliaslan4164 8 месяцев назад

    Hello
    What is the brand and model of this rose engine?
    home made?
    please can you give me a plan

  • @brokenarrow1348
    @brokenarrow1348 2 года назад

    'Swiss Tears' sounds like a drink served at Russian hockey games.

  • @A.Pipetkin
    @A.Pipetkin 2 года назад

    Bravo. Сэндвич это очень хорошо. Вам нужно работать с серебром

  • @911_dan2
    @911_dan2 2 года назад

    👏👏

  • @tom18181
    @tom18181 2 года назад

    Did you get another pantograph engraver? I notice this one is green

    • @DMTiffanyTimepieces
      @DMTiffanyTimepieces  2 года назад +1

      I did! The green monster is a Gorton P2-3 3D pantomill. It's capable of running up to 3/8" tooling, and I use it primarily in my case making process.

    • @tom18181
      @tom18181 2 года назад

      @@DMTiffanyTimepieces Nice as!! You will have to make a video on that too

  • @bendeguzszabo3269
    @bendeguzszabo3269 Год назад

    Woooow what is that machine called??

  • @freshdugi
    @freshdugi Год назад

    What kind of Guilloche machine is that? It appears as though it could have been shop made.

    • @DMTiffanyTimepieces
      @DMTiffanyTimepieces  Год назад +2

      I built this rose engine myself. I have another video on my channel where I go over the machine in detail.

  • @melchizedek_v
    @melchizedek_v Год назад

    I never knew it had to go through so much process..I thought it would be like we'll have the pattern in pc and make the pattern using laser

  • @marcn8750
    @marcn8750 9 месяцев назад +1

    Nice video thanks you. May I request no music in the future ?

    • @b1r2y3n
      @b1r2y3n 2 месяца назад

      No, you may not.

  • @LucasGuillemette
    @LucasGuillemette Год назад +1

    Swiss tears 😭

  • @wileecoyoti
    @wileecoyoti 2 года назад

    Looks amazing! Two questions: would you approach it the same way if the dial was domed? Eg I've got a longines 280 based watch and a couple spare movements, the dials look pressed but maybe not. Second do you have a video going over your plating process in detail?
    Third, not a question: the homemade rose engine is a work of art for it's own sake.

    • @DMTiffanyTimepieces
      @DMTiffanyTimepieces  2 года назад

      Thanks Ryan! Usually domed dials on watches have been stamped. While there are ways to engine turn a dome (think Faberge egg,) it's a more challenging process that requires some unique parts when it comes to the cutter frame and cross slide.
      I don't have another video going over plating, but it's definitely something I can cover in more depth in a future video. In the meantime, if you have specific questions or want to bounce any ideas off me feel free to shoot me a message on IG.

  • @Spikeydelic
    @Spikeydelic Год назад

    wtf is this kind of sorcery. I need to now.. how did you make this brilliant interface to run the machine?! the mill i man .. u guide it with delrin blocks it seems. but how.

  • @milanvucicevic6820
    @milanvucicevic6820 7 месяцев назад

    Moze li masina negde da se kupi i po kojoj ceni

  • @melody3741
    @melody3741 7 месяцев назад

    Holy. FUCK.

  • @samiatochrist
    @samiatochrist Год назад

    what you mean Swiss Tears? 😂😂

  • @glass1258
    @glass1258 Год назад

    You still making watches?

  • @woodsmithbc
    @woodsmithbc Год назад

    Swiss Tears.... 🤣

  • @SK-gk6lw
    @SK-gk6lw Год назад

    SWISS TEARS ☕️