HELLO LOVELIES, I'VE FINALLY UPDATED MY WEBSITE! You all can find the written summary of Iliad book 22 via this link :) I hope these help xx www.moaninc.co.uk/homers-iliad/book-22-summary
It's been two years since you posted this video so hopefully you see this comment from a former active duty USMC officer and long-time student of military history, including ancient Greek and Roman military history. This book in the Iliad is the one that strikes the greatest chord with both ancient and modern audiences because it centers on the central theme of the entire poem, Achilles's rage (see line 1, book 1). Achilles's rage, and rage more generally, is the most raw emotion of war. There are lessons on multiple levels in this epic poem and particularly this book. But the most prominent lesson or observation by Homer is that in war it is rage that guides men's actions. Achilles' rage and that of other characters in the poem is what drives this story. Because of his all-consuming rage, Achilles is single-minded in the most focused way in his purpose, i.e., to kill Hector and avenge Patroclus's death. NOTHING will divert him from that goal. Achilles's promise to defile Hector's body before Hector expires is the most cruel thing Achilles could do and it arises from the same uncontrollable rage and desire for vengeance. I would add that the Greeks mutilating Hector's body after he dies is also a very intelligent plot development by Homer because he understood that defiling dead opponents is often the result of such rage. Defiling dead opponents is an age-old practice by various societies over the last five millennia. Here in the US, we often read of Native American tribes deliberately defiling the bodies of dead American, European and Native American opponents by the act of scalping and other mutilations after the fight is finished. Taking such grisly trophies as scalps and mutilating the corpses of the dead, I believe, is a form of emotional release for men after all the strain of surviving a life and death struggle.
I always found hector as my favorite character in Greek mythology. He’s just a man. It’s easy to be brave when your mother is a goddess and you’ve been blessed with the divine. Hector was just a person who had stood in defense of his family, his people, and his country. He even fought Achilles alone when the other had the aid of a goddess.
Can we please acknowledge that Erica kept a straight face while explaining this book, because every word she spoke, I was like she is going to cry and then I will double cry. You are amazing. Dayummmmm.
My favorite line occurs in this book from Hector: “…let me not then die ingloriously and without a struggle, but let me first do some great thing that shall be told among men hereafter."
Thank you for enriching the experience of reading The Illead for the first time. Having your videos to accompany the reading have been a big help and pleasure. It makes me look forward to The Odyssey.
This is so rough and heartbreaking. I am like literally making notes and I stopped, when Achilles starts chasing Hector, Because I just couldn't write and then the whole thing gets sad and worse its so emotional. o my god when it comes to Priam, and Hecuba so rough its so rough. And Andromache she does not know, it's genuinely quiet stressful 😩. I was sobbing like I was crying out load. Man it was......
this chapter was SO HEARTBREAKING. i had to pause so many times while reading because it was just too much! when hecuba and priam were begging for hector to come back but hector knew he had to face achilles, it was just so so horrible. hector definitely made mistakes and got too carried away when chasing the greeks, trying to take patroclus’ body to feed to the dogs, and blatantly casting away polydamas’ advice for his own glory etc but you could tell at the end he realized his mistakes and at least tried in a way to make up for them by standing outside the walls to face achilles. the moment where for a second hector trembled seeing achilles approach like fire or a blazing sun and he considered taking off all his armor, supplicating to achilles and offering to give everything back and share troy’s fortune with the greeks before realizing that achilles would never do such a thing made me tear up. hector was 10000x times the man achilles was and would ever be! when hector was running from achilles and homer notes that they weren’t racing for a prize, they were racing for hector’s life, that was just horrible 😭 in my translation it describes the feeling of hector desperately trying to run from achilles but constantly being intercepted and chased as “endless as in a dream” and i loved that line so much because that’s EXACTLY what it felt like while reading! everything felt so desperate and heartbreaking and surreal the longer the chase went on. and then when athena took on the form of hector’s brother and just the thought of his brother being there gave hector so much strength, and how awful it was for him when he realized he had been tricked ugh it was just too much for me i had to close the book and put my head down for a moment. and then everything after with achilles defiling the body, andromache finding out, etc was like rubbing salt in the wound. UGH i’m sorry for this long comment i just loved this chapter so much and needed to vent! sometimes i just can’t believe something so incredible in so many ways was written so long ago. amazing video as always!!!!
This is not a battle this is a murder. Homer is showing us that in fract the Trojans are better men then the Greeks.They may have lost the war but Hector is a better man then Achilles. Achilles is just a Grecian Rambo or any other killing machine you can come up with.
I HATE this part of The Iliad. I also call bullshit. Hector was the greatest of fighters. He fought Ajax to a draw. Hector would NOT have run from Achilles.
@@MoAnInc You glossed over that a forefather of Priam had insulted I think Apollo and another God or Goddess but i always saw this and the fact that Paris gave Aphrodite te apple instead of Hera as the reason Troy lost the war not cause the Greeks were better or nicer men they are obviously neither.
yeah but achilles is the guy among all the greek warriors not but him could push back the trojans not only his blessing but his skills were beyond any normal man
Achilles is a tough character (we all know I hate him haha), but he's SUPPOSED to be! So don't worry! His grey-zone-ness is what makes studying this text and his heroism so enthralling!
HELLO LOVELIES, I'VE FINALLY UPDATED MY WEBSITE! You all can find the written summary of Iliad book 22 via this link :) I hope these help xx www.moaninc.co.uk/homers-iliad/book-22-summary
It's been two years since you posted this video so hopefully you see this comment from a former active duty USMC officer and long-time student of military history, including ancient Greek and Roman military history. This book in the Iliad is the one that strikes the greatest chord with both ancient and modern audiences because it centers on the central theme of the entire poem, Achilles's rage (see line 1, book 1). Achilles's rage, and rage more generally, is the most raw emotion of war. There are lessons on multiple levels in this epic poem and particularly this book. But the most prominent lesson or observation by Homer is that in war it is rage that guides men's actions. Achilles' rage and that of other characters in the poem is what drives this story. Because of his all-consuming rage, Achilles is single-minded in the most focused way in his purpose, i.e., to kill Hector and avenge Patroclus's death. NOTHING will divert him from that goal. Achilles's promise to defile Hector's body before Hector expires is the most cruel thing Achilles could do and it arises from the same uncontrollable rage and desire for vengeance. I would add that the Greeks mutilating Hector's body after he dies is also a very intelligent plot development by Homer because he understood that defiling dead opponents is often the result of such rage. Defiling dead opponents is an age-old practice by various societies over the last five millennia. Here in the US, we often read of Native American tribes deliberately defiling the bodies of dead American, European and Native American opponents by the act of scalping and other mutilations after the fight is finished. Taking such grisly trophies as scalps and mutilating the corpses of the dead, I believe, is a form of emotional release for men after all the strain of surviving a life and death struggle.
Seriously great explanation. I really enjoyed it. Ever been to Camp Lejeune? (Thank you for your service by the way)
I always found hector as my favorite character in Greek mythology. He’s just a man. It’s easy to be brave when your mother is a goddess and you’ve been blessed with the divine. Hector was just a person who had stood in defense of his family, his people, and his country. He even fought Achilles alone when the other had the aid of a goddess.
Can we please acknowledge that Erica kept a straight face while explaining this book, because every word she spoke, I was like she is going to cry and then I will double cry. You are amazing. Dayummmmm.
My favorite line occurs in this book from Hector: “…let me not then die ingloriously and without a struggle, but let me first do some great thing that shall be told among men hereafter."
Thank you for enriching the experience of reading The Illead for the first time. Having your videos to accompany the reading have been a big help and pleasure. It makes me look forward to The Odyssey.
Yes! Thank you also!
🥺 you are so welcome 💕
thank you for explaining this scene!! i have to study book 22 for an exam and your input really helps ☺️💛
Good luck on your exam! ❤️
This is so rough and heartbreaking. I am like literally making notes and I stopped, when Achilles starts chasing Hector, Because I just couldn't write and then the whole thing gets sad and worse its so emotional. o my god when it comes to Priam, and Hecuba so rough its so rough. And Andromache she does not know, it's genuinely quiet stressful 😩. I was sobbing like I was crying out load. Man it was......
This is the correct reaction!!!
20:39 “and they’re like, ‘Gucci’”
😂😂😂
That would be a direct translation from the Ancient Greek xoxo
this chapter was SO HEARTBREAKING. i had to pause so many times while reading because it was just too much! when hecuba and priam were begging for hector to come back but hector knew he had to face achilles, it was just so so horrible. hector definitely made mistakes and got too carried away when chasing the greeks, trying to take patroclus’ body to feed to the dogs, and blatantly casting away polydamas’ advice for his own glory etc but you could tell at the end he realized his mistakes and at least tried in a way to make up for them by standing outside the walls to face achilles. the moment where for a second hector trembled seeing achilles approach like fire or a blazing sun and he considered taking off all his armor, supplicating to achilles and offering to give everything back and share troy’s fortune with the greeks before realizing that achilles would never do such a thing made me tear up. hector was 10000x times the man achilles was and would ever be! when hector was running from achilles and homer notes that they weren’t racing for a prize, they were racing for hector’s life, that was just horrible 😭 in my translation it describes the feeling of hector desperately trying to run from achilles but constantly being intercepted and chased as “endless as in a dream” and i loved that line so much because that’s EXACTLY what it felt like while reading! everything felt so desperate and heartbreaking and surreal the longer the chase went on. and then when athena took on the form of hector’s brother and just the thought of his brother being there gave hector so much strength, and how awful it was for him when he realized he had been tricked ugh it was just too much for me i had to close the book and put my head down for a moment. and then everything after with achilles defiling the body, andromache finding out, etc was like rubbing salt in the wound. UGH i’m sorry for this long comment i just loved this chapter so much and needed to vent! sometimes i just can’t believe something so incredible in so many ways was written so long ago. amazing video as always!!!!
I don't get how Alexander misinterpreted this so much that he decided to reenact the "drag the body behind my chariot" thing with the king of Tyre
watching this for my classical studies exam tomorrow.
I hope it went well!
I did hated that Patroclus was killed so unfairly by Hector and gods but Hector's dead is so saddd and the brother 😭
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is there a video where you discuss the movie Troy?
… there once was 😮💨
@@MoAnInc Did your video offend the gods? Did swift-footed Achilles kill that video with a spear?
Hey! Why aren't you wearing black for Hector :(
This is not a battle this is a murder. Homer is showing us that in fract the Trojans are better men then the Greeks.They may have lost the war but Hector is a better man then Achilles. Achilles is just a Grecian Rambo or any other killing machine you can come up with.
Wow!
I HATE this part of The Iliad. I also call bullshit. Hector was the greatest of fighters. He fought Ajax to a draw. Hector would NOT have run from Achilles.
… okay but like, he did. It’s in the Greek 🥴😅
@@MoAnInc You glossed over that a forefather of Priam had insulted I think Apollo and another God or Goddess but i always saw this and the fact that Paris gave Aphrodite te apple instead of Hera as the reason Troy lost the war not cause the Greeks were better or nicer men they are obviously neither.
yeah but achilles is the guy among all the greek warriors not but him could push back the trojans not only his blessing but his skills were beyond any normal man
@@durrangodsgrief6503 The Gods made it possible for Achilles to kill him.They even gave illusions to Hector. Achilles only finished him off.
@@williamvissers9906 they gave illusion so he would fight achilles they gave achilles no aud in the battle
Spoilers!!!
I don't like Achilles either, waaaaaaa
Achilles is a tough character (we all know I hate him haha), but he's SUPPOSED to be! So don't worry! His grey-zone-ness is what makes studying this text and his heroism so enthralling!