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No, we're seeing what blizz is doing with the Classic re-releases for the xpacs, now up to "Classic cata (lol)". SoD *needs* to be the Classic+, make new stuff for Classic as is being shown by how successful SoD is. The division in the playerbase is going to remain regardless, and SoD is very clearly bringing about a renaissance period for WoW.
Whatever they do, I hope they don't just ditch SOD after the "season" ends.. Turn it into a full fledged Classic+ experience. Haven't been this invested in over ten years..
I think sod is basically just a beta for that. Some private servers are already doing this so I wouldn’t be surprised if they hop on the train when everyone starts unsubscribing during cata and mop.
Totally agree. Many of us don't want to play retail because most of it sucks (imo) also many many of us have been asking for classic + for a long time. More level 60 content
How do you scale that without increasing the level cap? Just keep making the numbers bigger until they're in the millions? That'd be a very warped sense of progression. You can increase the level cap and still keep the philosophy of classic.
yes, also they can add new continent and like they can add even northrend but smaller zones and bigger with different touch... SOD have the potential the become thenew retail if they polish it a little bit so it can be not so primitive(boomers should agree).. @@thickdynamic4669
I think SOD into TBC and WOTLK is a bad take. I usually agree with your points. but as a classic lover id love to see them continue into a full on classic+ contained in the old world. and perhaps learn from their old mistakes and not introduce new small islands making the world feel small. If they would expand the Old World in the spirit of classic tho. that would be fine imo
Yeah it should stay classic, now with that in mind, I wouldn’t mind bringing in some raids from other expansions re done for level 60. I think Karazhan Crypts is going to be a good example of this.
As strange as it might sound, if they were going to add future expansion content, I'd prefer if they skipped over TBC entirely and went straight into a Classic SoD Northrend. Northrend becomes like a level 40-60 continent, the raids become lower level versions of themselves (Ulduar for example becomes a 10 man level 40 raid), and ICC is just a new raid added for level 60 players. Just a random idea off the top of my head just now.
@NixxiomOnRUclips i'd love that! As long as they don't introduce flying. It ruined modern WoW for me. I wouldn't mind Rated BGs being added as well. My #1 feature request though would be territory wars between the zones of Azeroth between the factions. The world map slowing changing blue to red (and vice-versa) as each zone is conquerored for honor and gear via castle sieges and wpvp objectives. A constant wpvp tug of war for domination
@@NixxiomOnRUclips Fs in chat for a space goat main. But otherwise I think that'd make sense. Demon Hunter and Death Knight class to be in line with WC3 would be super cool to see? I always wished they had gone to Legion right after Wrath and that's like 25% of why my husband and I quit during Cata. We just wanted to play Demon Hunter, we're both huge Illidan fans but mained DK until we quit. Though as it stands, I want to be able to somehow play a shaman while still raiding with my Alliance guild. Literally dying inside rn lol
As much as I love TBC and WOTLK with both those being the absolute best renditions of all games ever and of WoW…. This is Classic + that is and was meant for vanilla and a different timeline meant for vanilla and its likeness… like if Outland was to be in Classic plus/SoD… then it should just be a zone like hellfire and same with northrend… not an entire expansion that nullifies older content… just adding Zones won’t necessarily nullify content like an expansion would… so once 60 is hit, it’s all horizontal progression, not vertical like an expansion.
I hope SOD takes away from retail, retail needs a complete reset there are so many problems with bloat over the years they will never fix, there are too many people that like retail the way it is, that it will never appeal to people that have given up on it for classic or other games.
I don't want SOD to go to BC and WOTLK we've done that and after coming back to the base world with SOD its better like this. Just improve what they have at the vanilla base level
I absolutely hope not. Season of Discovery has already painted itself as an alternative universe that will be expanding on forgotten things from vanilla with some spells and skills thrown in that have existed at times in retail. The Outland we will get will be the outland that existed in the vanilla days if they revisit it. It would be great if Season of Discovery does wind up being an AU. They could maybe do the story justice this time. A THIRD retreading of the same expacs would just suck. After Cata classic was announced, it's a real wonder if they're just going to classic every single expansion and if they do that again in SoD, I'd just have to eyeroll so hard I unsubscribe again.
I'm having more fun in SoD than I have had in retail and I'd say stay in Classic but expand the two original continents if possible like you said by creating new zones or use zones that is currently inaccessible and give them quests designed for SoD.
No I don't think SoD should progress into TBC. There's plenty of room to grow within classic azeroth, plenty of room for LVL 60 quest lines and new raids.
SoD has been a massive success but DF has been also. It has retained players like never other expansion before, they said that time and time again. Its problem was not *bringing* players at launch, but both versions of WoW are doing really well at the moment. Nothing to worry about
There already is to some extent with the new runes. But yes, Vanilla is the best version of the game, but that's not to say WotLK doesnt have aspects of it that are the GOAT. I wanted them to just fix what they did wrong and not go down the clearly wrong path they went down originally with the game, but that didn't happen. Then I realize "ye, there's no way they can grasp it, they just need stick with Vanilla and add the working things of WoTLK and TBC" They can't handle people bitching like "WHY DID YOU REMOVE THAT I LIKED IT", but they can surely deal with people going "oh oh oh i want this, and i want that".
NO i hope they don't start adding the old content like we have on other versions of WOW....I think it would be interesting to create new quests using classic lands...Could be interesting lore wise if they framed this version of wow about the people that didn't go into BC...what new stories could they create...
i don't think anyone wants to repeat the cycle of going back to TBC/WotLK, even with SoD flavor changes. SoD is ideally a beta for a proper, and most importantly: PERMANENT classic+ server that will continue to get a trickle of meaningful updates for years to come.
No no, I think think they shouldn’t go TBC and on - that’s the issue I’m having with classic, they eventually run out of content, or we end up in the cycle of constantly starting over No, THIS is their opportunity to start over, make a new game, keep this revitalized interest. Classic plus man. Just updating vanilla, new updates that keep up at 60, but discovering new things. What I LOVE about SoD is there’s no rush to level. Leveling first is an outdated system. Goals like finding runes and conquering new content is perfect, and I’d love to see classic styled updates and let the other versions of wow fullfill your interest in those other expansions.
Id love to see it go thru all expansions, this mode allows busy people like me to level slowly without getting behind because of the temporary cap limits.
Fuck no... The point is it being classic, not going into retail garbage again and making old stuff obsolete... Like really fucking out of touch, lil bro. Few weeks into the season and people already want to destroy it...
I hope they wont go TBC and WOTLK and go for vanilla content and expanding on old world instead of doing later expansions, I hate when expansions fully nullify everything before them, its very stupid, I hope it will be just classic/vanilla for the whole ride. SPECIALLY DONT UPGRADE THE LEVEL CAP. please
Hell fuckin NO. Stay in the old world, develop new content for the old world, don't raise the level cap, don't introduce flying mounts, don't make all previous content irrelevant. More horizontal progression.
The biggest problem with the "fragmentation" argument is that it's one Blizzard is making themselves. It's why we didn't get TBC era servers, and why we're not getting Wrath era servers when Cata comes out. I think Blizz is in for a rude awakening after Cata hits. If SOD takes away from anything, it's going to be Cata Classic. I don't even understand why they're doing Cata Classic. It's the version of Kalimdor and the Easter Kingdoms that we have in retail right now. There's nothing classic about it. But they'll figure it out after Cata Classic launches and everyone movies over to HC or SOD.
Outland should be redone to like 1-3 zones and northrend should be redone to be like 1-3 zones that fit into the existing old world. Add in an Illidian raid and an Arthas raid and youre good to go!
If people think that sod will take away from the war within then you gotta ask yourself do people even care about the war within if nobody's gonna play it and if that's the case then they should focus on the version of the game people actually care about
I would actually like to see the retail races and new classes be able to play in Classic, change the models and racial abilities to fit in Classic but that just might be me
Horde NEEDS elves and Alliance NEEDS another race, preferably Draenei but I'm up for really whatever they come up with. What should happen is that TBC and Wrath content should be limited, as in something like expeditions in which the maps are only open during certain periods/time-limited server unlocks. The original continents should remain the main places everyone hangs out at.
I would rather not see this. The classic+ I'd like to see would stick to Azeroth. I think the mistakes of TBC and Wrath onwards is constantly shrinking the world by shifting to new zones. I'd rather see them expand upon the current zones by filling them in with more/new content, and just add more things to do such as events in the already existing world. Add new dungeons. Focus on filling in zones that were clearly not finished or got less focus.
We want SoD to evolve into Classic+ with the following features: - Level cap remain 60 - Viability for all class specs (Reworked talent trees) - New class spells (e.g. SoD runes) - New playable races - New class/race combinations (e.g. Horde paladins & Alliance shamans) - Dual Spec availability - Group Finder tool (Pairs you into groups but doesn't teleport you to instances) - Cataclysm main city visual updates - Visual updates to character models and environments - New zones (Within Azeroth continents) - New raids/dungeons - New quests and items - Tier set specializations for each class/role - New battlegrounds + Arenas - Exclusive PvP armor & weapons And other non-essential QoL updates, such as summoning stones and extra flight paths in each zone. But I believe I've listed the most welcomed changes wanted by the community.
@@MonkeyChip LFG is just a primitive version of a Group finder. The tool suggested is a more efficient way of fulfilling the exact same function - to group players based on preferred dungeon roles.
it might be neat if they do a SoD2 and it's vanilla again but with different endgame level brackets and further dungeon conversions to raids. like 30, 45 55 and maybe more 60 stuff then.
No no no no and no. Stay in Vanilla. I don't want a trash rehash of what happened with Classic with WOW tokens and pre purchase mount packages. For the older player base this is our moment. Let us have it.
You got it all wrong nix, IF they decide to expand beyond vanilla wow to new content lets say Outland people want a NEW take on that entire zone ( no flying) this alone would change how the zones are structured so no
I know how the split feels I love season of discovery and retail and I have 1 friend who is classic WoW only and one who is retail only and each are asking for my time. That said I want it to stay on vanilla. I haven’t even touched wrath of the lich king as vanilla WoW just has a feel about it with the 60 end game you can’t get when other expansions come along.
If everquest can have 2 mmos still running with branching timelines, theres no reason wow cant. They already made it canon with draenor that its possible. This is their chance to refresh the lore and do it the way they wanted with no restrictions. Fill out the original continents, continue warcraft 3 story, have the legion be the big bads. Even if they keep the low graphics it will sell. People fell in love with wow for the original lote
Boomkin main here, I stopped playing wotlk after ICC. My guild was minmaxing the raid and I was benched for about 4 lockouts. Now I play SoD with no problems, and it feels better than wotlk. My old guild is losing players to SoD to the point that they called me to come back. I said hell no, iam having fun. 😅 if I hadn't been benched I would have stuck around till the end of wotlk.
You would love to see a lot of things. It's easy to say what they should do, but actually doing it is a lot harder than just making a RUclips video. RUclipsrs have no sense of reality when it comes to actually making things.
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! TBC lowkey killed classic, wrath finished it off. We want the world to be the main character, not ourselves(imo). Forcing those big servers into such few and small zones, I think will 100% lead to servers to being 1sided again, even with their new balancing tech.
I do not want them to simply make BC and wotlk with some changes... I want this to develop into it's own thing past the vanilla content. Bring back the ORIGINAL outlands as they were intended. Bring Gilneas. Bring Hyjal. All the other cut content and zones that was originally supposed to be in vanilla.
i think people that play SoD and are excited about its future already gave upon retail. i dont think the worldsoul saga will change anything. Retail is a very different game.im happy sticking with classic plus content
No. Classic+ needs to stay in classic. If they want to mess with old outland game files to bring us something interesting and different thats cool. Classic+ is about expanding the first game and giving blizzard the opportunity to complete old ideas and content they had to scrap BECAUSE of tbc...
I want more raids and patches post nax. I do not want to see the level cap increased and just retreading through wrath and TBC. The expansion system is fundamentally flawed as it invalidates all previous content that came before. I want more level 60 content, not level 70 content.
There's no point in making expansions with this model. The whole point of season of discovery is strictly to remix the base vanilla game with some modern day mechanics or abilities to put a spin on the formula everyone knew. It worked tremendously. Already classic wow lost the reason to exist since we are seeing them going into Cata, soon it's gonna be MOP and WOD ect and the same thing I said years ago when they announced BC classic is that it feels redundant to 'progress' what was meant to be a time capsule to re-experience and see how the game played back in the day. Then at some point people who have the MOP CM gear or special quiraji mounts and so on will beg blizzard to let them carry that Classic progress over to retail for some reason cause they want special status they didn't get first go around. It becomes a mess and personally? I think keeping it classic with it's mechanics and stats and other quirks makes Season of Discovery what it is. Like they made an official Remix private server using the vanilla engine.
Do not go to tbc. I enjoyed tbc classic but even tbc is way different because it kills the old world. Instead, keep the old world alive and add onto what’s there WITHOUT adding new continents
I’d like to see it run into TBC, but only after they add new end game content for vanilla for awhile then transition into TBC with some new, extended end game content as well.
You're thinking too small. "If I had asked people what they wanted they would have said: Faster horses" - Ford. This is what you're asking for with more of the same. When we initially thought of a Vanilla+ experience we wanted to keep the world of Azeroth relevant. Meaning we wanted more side-graded and challenging content added, along with an ironing out of some of the vanilla kinks. What we didn't ask for was the exact same Classic but with a few new quests, a few new raids (that will all be obsolete post-their-phase), and some out-of-context completely op TBC and WLK abilities peppered in - but everything else staying the same. I think the goal of this project should be to try and see just what you can do with Vanilla while keeping it's spirit alive. So we shouldn't think in terms of: "where did Blizzard go from here". Instead we should think: "Just how many of the old stories can we get to experience within Vanilla?". We absolutely have to have the Emerald Dream for instace. But the real problem here, is that SoD is chained to the era core and Blizzard has confirmed this. That's why you don't get the "new" spells from your trainer but from runes. Apparently, they have to "hack" changes into the era core that can easily be filtered when launching regular era. This is going to cause such problems going forward because it means we will -not- be seeing things that obviously need to improve such as talent changes, spell ranks removed, upgraded dungeon loot, etc. It means it's all pretty much just regular Classic but with a few WLK buttons to push and a revamped instance here and there to compensate for the fact that dungeon bosses still drop greens.
What makes SoD cool is taking the QoL adjustments that exist in later expacs and putting them in vanilla. For example, I dont know how different TBC or Wrath would feel playing as a paladin capable of tanking healing or dpsing. Paladin could do that already in those expacs.
The Interesting thing about TBC Season of Discovery is that it shouldn't be added, but I would prefer some of the TBC quality of life changes. Mudsprocket, Quel'Thalas, Blood Elves, Horde Paladins, Shaman Alliance, Better Flightpaths, Night Elf Boats for Feathermoon and Teldrassil, Improved Class tuning and some talent reworks. A lot of these changes would be welcome for any Classic Season of Discovery. The TBC features for the Old World are so interesting. It would be wise for Blizzard to consider them for Classic+ or Season of Discovery 2.0
Sod going into tbc and wrath is a horrible idea. I’d stop playing as soon as that’s announced because I know where that goes. Sod works because it takes successful aspects of later expansions (like half the classes actually being able to do stuff besides heal) and incorporates them into the vanilla setting. I don’t care about being able to crusader strike in tbc or divine storm in wrath because that’s already a thing. 😂 People want classic plus, which is new content designed around the gameplay and systems of vanilla. Not just retail from 10 years ago which is what 2019 classic has become.
NO TBC, NO WRATH, the expansions fucked the game. More 1-60 content is all that's required. they could add all sorts of stuff, housing, battlegrounds, new race/class combinations, new aesthetic options (I'd love to see forsaken being able to chose undead skins for any of the other races) , all types of orcs, elves, humans, trolls etc
If blizzard was smart they would take this sod and use it to change the direction of the narrative. Go to new places tell new stories reset the world to something we haven’t seen before. Classic + could be an alternate timeline with new adventures for us to explore.
>make Hunter top dps >give us tracking of fish schools >rework the professions(particularly cooking) like in tbc That is the only things we need from TBC. I personally don't anything else from the future.
Here is another thought: why isn’t Blizzard making WoW playable on more devices? Modern consoles support mice and keyboards, and cell phones are more than powerful enough to run classic WoW. They can also be connected to Bluetooth M&K, as well as be directly connected or cast to most monitors. Doing that would make the game playable and affordable to countless people. Even if only a fraction of a percent of them join, that is still a massive boost to the population. That would help with any issues around dividing the player base.
I think they should just scale BC down to level 60 and make it a straight progression versus a sectional one. Also, I never understood why hellfire citadel wasn't a raid. It's huge but they broke it down and sectioned it off. It easily could've been a huge raid.
Outland and Wrath should be level 60 content instead of increasing the level cap. It isn’t like leveling up further matters. Or go the extreme other direction and make both similar to Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms: level one to sixty zones and quests as somewhere you can go to level and gear if you want to. More doesn’t strictly have to always be better than and invalidate what there was before.
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No, we're seeing what blizz is doing with the Classic re-releases for the xpacs, now up to "Classic cata (lol)". SoD *needs* to be the Classic+, make new stuff for Classic as is being shown by how successful SoD is. The division in the playerbase is going to remain regardless, and SoD is very clearly bringing about a renaissance period for WoW.
Completely agree
I cant wait for Shadowlands classic
Don’t give us TBC. Give us new content. Don’t rise the level cap. Keep the world relevant.
this, screw tbc or any other expansion. make it like old school runescape just add more relevant and new content
At least add blood elves
New mid game leveling zones would be a big bonus to the leveling experience! There is so much to work with in the empty spaces of Azeroth.
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I agree, they should just add new raids have completely new gear and runes to complement that.
Whatever they do, I hope they don't just ditch SOD after the "season" ends.. Turn it into a full fledged Classic+ experience. Haven't been this invested in over ten years..
hell yeah brotha
I think sod is basically just a beta for that. Some private servers are already doing this so I wouldn’t be surprised if they hop on the train when everyone starts unsubscribing during cata and mop.
I hope not. Give us Classic + , give us more level 60 content rather than going Outlands and Northrend
Agreed!
exactly, and just a permanent version of it, not seasonal stuff lol
Yup agree, redoing tbc and wotlk again is a terrible idea
Totally agree.
Many of us don't want to play retail because most of it sucks (imo) also many many of us have been asking for classic + for a long time.
More level 60 content
Northrend makes sense though, Classic as a story arc is inherently leading up to Arthas. We're just taking a different direction to get there.
No, keep it Classic, keep it level 60. Want to add TBC? Have the Legion invade Azeroth and add some new zones in the current continents.
Exactly this is the whole point
It's like all those """content creators""" already run out of ideas. Missing the whole point of "Classic+"...
How do you scale that without increasing the level cap? Just keep making the numbers bigger until they're in the millions? That'd be a very warped sense of progression. You can increase the level cap and still keep the philosophy of classic.
yes, also they can add new continent and like they can add even northrend but smaller zones and bigger with different touch... SOD have the potential the become thenew retail if they polish it a little bit so it can be not so primitive(boomers should agree).. @@thickdynamic4669
Agreed! I don't want TBC or wrath. I like the simplicity of classic. Blizz just needs to fill Azeroth with some new content and we are happy.
I want it to transition into Classic+, not SoD TBC
I think SOD into TBC and WOTLK is a bad take. I usually agree with your points. but as a classic lover id love to see them continue into a full on classic+ contained in the old world. and perhaps learn from their old mistakes and not introduce new small islands making the world feel small. If they would expand the Old World in the spirit of classic tho. that would be fine imo
Yeah it should stay classic, now with that in mind, I wouldn’t mind bringing in some raids from other expansions re done for level 60. I think Karazhan Crypts is going to be a good example of this.
Nah, SoD should stay classic and 60. Add new content and go the OSRS route.
This would also truly be in the spirit of discovery, as going into TBC would mean 99% of the content would already be discovered.
No it shouldn't continue to other expansions.
Hell no! Especially not TBC. No flying, no space goats, no arenas. Stick to WC3's immersive world and vibe
As strange as it might sound, if they were going to add future expansion content, I'd prefer if they skipped over TBC entirely and went straight into a Classic SoD Northrend. Northrend becomes like a level 40-60 continent, the raids become lower level versions of themselves (Ulduar for example becomes a 10 man level 40 raid), and ICC is just a new raid added for level 60 players. Just a random idea off the top of my head just now.
@NixxiomOnRUclips i'd love that! As long as they don't introduce flying. It ruined modern WoW for me. I wouldn't mind Rated BGs being added as well. My #1 feature request though would be territory wars between the zones of Azeroth between the factions. The world map slowing changing blue to red (and vice-versa) as each zone is conquerored for honor and gear via castle sieges and wpvp objectives. A constant wpvp tug of war for domination
@@NixxiomOnRUclips Fs in chat for a space goat main. But otherwise I think that'd make sense. Demon Hunter and Death Knight class to be in line with WC3 would be super cool to see? I always wished they had gone to Legion right after Wrath and that's like 25% of why my husband and I quit during Cata. We just wanted to play Demon Hunter, we're both huge Illidan fans but mained DK until we quit. Though as it stands, I want to be able to somehow play a shaman while still raiding with my Alliance guild. Literally dying inside rn lol
As much as I love TBC and WOTLK with both those being the absolute best renditions of all games ever and of WoW…. This is Classic + that is and was meant for vanilla and a different timeline meant for vanilla and its likeness… like if Outland was to be in Classic plus/SoD… then it should just be a zone like hellfire and same with northrend… not an entire expansion that nullifies older content… just adding Zones won’t necessarily nullify content like an expansion would… so once 60 is hit, it’s all horizontal progression, not vertical like an expansion.
I hope SOD takes away from retail, retail needs a complete reset there are so many problems with bloat over the years they will never fix, there are too many people that like retail the way it is, that it will never appeal to people that have given up on it for classic or other games.
I don't want SOD to go to BC and WOTLK we've done that and after coming back to the base world with SOD its better like this. Just improve what they have at the vanilla base level
If SoD remains this popular and successful, I would love to see it rebranded as just World off Warcraft Discovery to move into the expansions.
I absolutely hope not. Season of Discovery has already painted itself as an alternative universe that will be expanding on forgotten things from vanilla with some spells and skills thrown in that have existed at times in retail. The Outland we will get will be the outland that existed in the vanilla days if they revisit it. It would be great if Season of Discovery does wind up being an AU. They could maybe do the story justice this time.
A THIRD retreading of the same expacs would just suck. After Cata classic was announced, it's a real wonder if they're just going to classic every single expansion and if they do that again in SoD, I'd just have to eyeroll so hard I unsubscribe again.
No flying. No level rise.
I'm having more fun in SoD than I have had in retail and I'd say stay in Classic but expand the two original continents if possible like you said by creating new zones or use zones that is currently inaccessible and give them quests designed for SoD.
No I don't think SoD should progress into TBC. There's plenty of room to grow within classic azeroth, plenty of room for LVL 60 quest lines and new raids.
SoD has been a massive success but DF has been also. It has retained players like never other expansion before, they said that time and time again. Its problem was not *bringing* players at launch, but both versions of WoW are doing really well at the moment. Nothing to worry about
I’m kind of hoping there’s actually a way for them to bring in parts of wrath and burning crusade, but with keeping the core of classic there too.
There already is to some extent with the new runes. But yes, Vanilla is the best version of the game, but that's not to say WotLK doesnt have aspects of it that are the GOAT.
I wanted them to just fix what they did wrong and not go down the clearly wrong path they went down originally with the game, but that didn't happen. Then I realize "ye, there's no way they can grasp it, they just need stick with Vanilla and add the working things of WoTLK and TBC"
They can't handle people bitching like "WHY DID YOU REMOVE THAT I LIKED IT", but they can surely deal with people going "oh oh oh i want this, and i want that".
i hope it stays in Classic but with some improvements like Guildbank and Barber
I don't want SoD TBC or WotLK, I just want classic+....
NO i hope they don't start adding the old content like we have on other versions of WOW....I think it would be interesting to create new quests using classic lands...Could be interesting lore wise if they framed this version of wow about the people that didn't go into BC...what new stories could they create...
i don't think anyone wants to repeat the cycle of going back to TBC/WotLK, even with SoD flavor changes.
SoD is ideally a beta for a proper, and most importantly: PERMANENT classic+ server that will continue to get a trickle of meaningful updates for years to come.
No no, I think think they shouldn’t go TBC and on - that’s the issue I’m having with classic, they eventually run out of content, or we end up in the cycle of constantly starting over
No, THIS is their opportunity to start over, make a new game, keep this revitalized interest. Classic plus man. Just updating vanilla, new updates that keep up at 60, but discovering new things. What I LOVE about SoD is there’s no rush to level. Leveling first is an outdated system. Goals like finding runes and conquering new content is perfect, and I’d love to see classic styled updates and let the other versions of wow fullfill your interest in those other expansions.
I think they should just keep re-releasing seasonal modes of era, I don't think the playerbase will stick around for tbc and wotlk discovery
Id love to see it go thru all expansions, this mode allows busy people like me to level slowly without getting behind because of the temporary cap limits.
NO! Make SOD a timeline split.
They are saving the "What if the Portal never happened" for blizzcon 2024.
keep it classic
I came BACK for SOD, so there's no dividing going on there.
Keep it at 60, just give it the OSRS treatment
Fuck no... The point is it being classic, not going into retail garbage again and making old stuff obsolete... Like really fucking out of touch, lil bro.
Few weeks into the season and people already want to destroy it...
I hope they wont go TBC and WOTLK and go for vanilla content and expanding on old world instead of doing later expansions, I hate when expansions fully nullify everything before them, its very stupid, I hope it will be just classic/vanilla for the whole ride. SPECIALLY DONT UPGRADE THE LEVEL CAP. please
Hell fuckin NO. Stay in the old world, develop new content for the old world, don't raise the level cap, don't introduce flying mounts, don't make all previous content irrelevant. More horizontal progression.
I believe Holly said they would not go beyond vanilla in terms of scope.
The biggest problem with the "fragmentation" argument is that it's one Blizzard is making themselves. It's why we didn't get TBC era servers, and why we're not getting Wrath era servers when Cata comes out. I think Blizz is in for a rude awakening after Cata hits. If SOD takes away from anything, it's going to be Cata Classic. I don't even understand why they're doing Cata Classic. It's the version of Kalimdor and the Easter Kingdoms that we have in retail right now. There's nothing classic about it. But they'll figure it out after Cata Classic launches and everyone movies over to HC or SOD.
Ratail players worried about resources getting pulled from war within can just... Come and play season of discovery?
Outland should be redone to like 1-3 zones and northrend should be redone to be like 1-3 zones that fit into the existing old world. Add in an Illidian raid and an Arthas raid and youre good to go!
I'm loving SoD but for some reason TBC SoD sounds very unappealing
If people think that sod will take away from the war within then you gotta ask yourself do people even care about the war within if nobody's gonna play it and if that's the case then they should focus on the version of the game people actually care about
No no no. I would have never played if I knew it would go to 70 or 80. I’ll be pissed.
please dont redo TBC, WOTLK. Great chance here to take the game into a new direction.
I would actually like to see the retail races and new classes be able to play in Classic, change the models and racial abilities to fit in Classic but that just might be me
Furry alert!
Horde NEEDS elves and Alliance NEEDS another race, preferably Draenei but I'm up for really whatever they come up with. What should happen is that TBC and Wrath content should be limited, as in something like expeditions in which the maps are only open during certain periods/time-limited server unlocks. The original continents should remain the main places everyone hangs out at.
Can't they make an alternate universe wow story where maybe one expansion ends differently?
Bro what?? I don’t think anyone who is playing SoD wants them to go into tbc or wrath
been really enjoying it. Made memories with old wow partners since 2010-2012. It's been absolutely amazing. Been great.
I would rather not see this. The classic+ I'd like to see would stick to Azeroth. I think the mistakes of TBC and Wrath onwards is constantly shrinking the world by shifting to new zones. I'd rather see them expand upon the current zones by filling them in with more/new content, and just add more things to do such as events in the already existing world. Add new dungeons. Focus on filling in zones that were clearly not finished or got less focus.
We want SoD to evolve into Classic+ with the following features:
- Level cap remain 60
- Viability for all class specs (Reworked talent trees)
- New class spells (e.g. SoD runes)
- New playable races
- New class/race combinations (e.g. Horde paladins & Alliance shamans)
- Dual Spec availability
- Group Finder tool (Pairs you into groups but doesn't teleport you to instances)
- Cataclysm main city visual updates
- Visual updates to character models and environments
- New zones (Within Azeroth continents)
- New raids/dungeons
- New quests and items
- Tier set specializations for each class/role
- New battlegrounds + Arenas
- Exclusive PvP armor & weapons
And other non-essential QoL updates, such as summoning stones and extra flight paths in each zone. But I believe I've listed the most welcomed changes wanted by the community.
Nah no group finder period. LFG exists.for a reason
@@MonkeyChip LFG is just a primitive version of a Group finder. The tool suggested is a more efficient way of fulfilling the exact same function - to group players based on preferred dungeon roles.
What about season of walking? Everything is done without mount or summoning ( LOL )
Classic only
it might be neat if they do a SoD2 and it's vanilla again but with different endgame level brackets and further dungeon conversions to raids. like 30, 45 55 and maybe more 60 stuff then.
If they do tbc I’m gone. Keep levels at 60 and add more content after Nax.
No. Please God, No. This needs to either be a beta for Classic+ or rolled into Classic+ itself.
No no no no and no. Stay in Vanilla. I don't want a trash rehash of what happened with Classic with WOW tokens and pre purchase mount packages. For the older player base this is our moment. Let us have it.
NO, not burning crusade or wrath of the lich king in were you leave the rest of Azeroth behind
You got it all wrong nix, IF they decide to expand beyond vanilla wow to new content lets say Outland people want a NEW take on that entire zone ( no flying) this alone would change how the zones are structured so no
I know how the split feels I love season of discovery and retail and I have 1 friend who is classic WoW only and one who is retail only and each are asking for my time. That said I want it to stay on vanilla. I haven’t even touched wrath of the lich king as vanilla WoW just has a feel about it with the 60 end game you can’t get when other expansions come along.
If everquest can have 2 mmos still running with branching timelines, theres no reason wow cant. They already made it canon with draenor that its possible. This is their chance to refresh the lore and do it the way they wanted with no restrictions. Fill out the original continents, continue warcraft 3 story, have the legion be the big bads. Even if they keep the low graphics it will sell. People fell in love with wow for the original lote
I expect a really long and tough questline to get the Ashbringer in SoD
Boomkin main here, I stopped playing wotlk after ICC. My guild was minmaxing the raid and I was benched for about 4 lockouts. Now I play SoD with no problems, and it feels better than wotlk. My old guild is losing players to SoD to the point that they called me to come back. I said hell no, iam having fun. 😅 if I hadn't been benched I would have stuck around till the end of wotlk.
You would love to see a lot of things.
It's easy to say what they should do, but actually doing it is a lot harder than just making a RUclips video.
RUclipsrs have no sense of reality when it comes to actually making things.
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!
TBC lowkey killed classic, wrath finished it off. We want the world to be the main character, not ourselves(imo). Forcing those big servers into such few and small zones, I think will 100% lead to servers to being 1sided again, even with their new balancing tech.
I do not want them to simply make BC and wotlk with some changes...
I want this to develop into it's own thing past the vanilla content. Bring back the ORIGINAL outlands as they were intended. Bring Gilneas. Bring Hyjal. All the other cut content and zones that was originally supposed to be in vanilla.
TBC would be the death of SoD. Needs to go a completely different direction.
i think people that play SoD and are excited about its future already gave upon retail. i dont think the worldsoul saga will change anything. Retail is a very different game.im happy sticking with classic plus content
Nah, I would very much prefer season of discovery stay at level 60 and we go through new adventures separate from the path the expansions took.
I'd love sod for xpacs. But, like, delay it. Make classic last for some time after endgame sod. - eventually doing it to tbc and just take it slow.
No. Classic+ needs to stay in classic. If they want to mess with old outland game files to bring us something interesting and different thats cool. Classic+ is about expanding the first game and giving blizzard the opportunity to complete old ideas and content they had to scrap BECAUSE of tbc...
Keep the level cap at 60 and start doing classic+ with custom raids like hogger and shit
I want more raids and patches post nax. I do not want to see the level cap increased and just retreading through wrath and TBC.
The expansion system is fundamentally flawed as it invalidates all previous content that came before. I want more level 60 content, not level 70 content.
are WoW players actually paying for guides now..? free trial.. for an ADDON?
Yeah, literal clown world
No. SoD is like a classic + beta. We have done TBC and WotLK.
There's no point in making expansions with this model. The whole point of season of discovery is strictly to remix the base vanilla game with some modern day mechanics or abilities to put a spin on the formula everyone knew. It worked tremendously.
Already classic wow lost the reason to exist since we are seeing them going into Cata, soon it's gonna be MOP and WOD ect and the same thing I said years ago when they announced BC classic is that it feels redundant to 'progress' what was meant to be a time capsule to re-experience and see how the game played back in the day. Then at some point people who have the MOP CM gear or special quiraji mounts and so on will beg blizzard to let them carry that Classic progress over to retail for some reason cause they want special status they didn't get first go around.
It becomes a mess and personally? I think keeping it classic with it's mechanics and stats and other quirks makes Season of Discovery what it is. Like they made an official Remix private server using the vanilla engine.
Do not go to tbc. I enjoyed tbc classic but even tbc is way different because it kills the old world. Instead, keep the old world alive and add onto what’s there WITHOUT adding new continents
I’d like to see it run into TBC, but only after they add new end game content for vanilla for awhile then transition into TBC with some new, extended end game content as well.
Who cares about Wotlk or Tbc, give more new content that actually happens in the world and not in a isolate part of the map
You're thinking too small. "If I had asked people what they wanted they would have said: Faster horses" - Ford. This is what you're asking for with more of the same. When we initially thought of a Vanilla+ experience we wanted to keep the world of Azeroth relevant. Meaning we wanted more side-graded and challenging content added, along with an ironing out of some of the vanilla kinks. What we didn't ask for was the exact same Classic but with a few new quests, a few new raids (that will all be obsolete post-their-phase), and some out-of-context completely op TBC and WLK abilities peppered in - but everything else staying the same. I think the goal of this project should be to try and see just what you can do with Vanilla while keeping it's spirit alive.
So we shouldn't think in terms of: "where did Blizzard go from here". Instead we should think: "Just how many of the old stories can we get to experience within Vanilla?". We absolutely have to have the Emerald Dream for instace. But the real problem here, is that SoD is chained to the era core and Blizzard has confirmed this. That's why you don't get the "new" spells from your trainer but from runes. Apparently, they have to "hack" changes into the era core that can easily be filtered when launching regular era. This is going to cause such problems going forward because it means we will -not- be seeing things that obviously need to improve such as talent changes, spell ranks removed, upgraded dungeon loot, etc. It means it's all pretty much just regular Classic but with a few WLK buttons to push and a revamped instance here and there to compensate for the fact that dungeon bosses still drop greens.
they shouldn't have made tbc or wrath and kept updating vanilla and change things in vanilla
What makes SoD cool is taking the QoL adjustments that exist in later expacs and putting them in vanilla. For example, I dont know how different TBC or Wrath would feel playing as a paladin capable of tanking healing or dpsing. Paladin could do that already in those expacs.
The Interesting thing about TBC Season of Discovery is that it shouldn't be added, but I would prefer some of the TBC quality of life changes.
Mudsprocket, Quel'Thalas, Blood Elves, Horde Paladins, Shaman Alliance, Better Flightpaths, Night Elf Boats for Feathermoon and Teldrassil, Improved Class tuning and some talent reworks.
A lot of these changes would be welcome for any Classic Season of Discovery.
The TBC features for the Old World are so interesting. It would be wise for Blizzard to consider them for Classic+ or Season of Discovery 2.0
we dont need expansions, we need new content.
nix please never mention tbc or wrath sod ever again thank you
No, I don't want flying, shamans and paladins, raised level cap, making content irrelevant.
Nah stay in classic. WoW as a world became so small after classic it aint worth it
Give us TBC and WOTLK without raising the level cap. Make the PvE mobs require higher hit levels requiring high ilvl gear to hit them effectively.
"Is This the FUTURE of Season of Discovery? (TBC and WotLK Classic WoW)" I hope NOT! Stick to Classic Vanilla ONLY!
Sod going into tbc and wrath is a horrible idea. I’d stop playing as soon as that’s announced because I know where that goes. Sod works because it takes successful aspects of later expansions (like half the classes actually being able to do stuff besides heal) and incorporates them into the vanilla setting.
I don’t care about being able to crusader strike in tbc or divine storm in wrath because that’s already a thing. 😂
People want classic plus, which is new content designed around the gameplay and systems of vanilla. Not just retail from 10 years ago which is what 2019 classic has become.
NO TBC, NO WRATH, the expansions fucked the game. More 1-60 content is all that's required. they could add all sorts of stuff, housing, battlegrounds, new race/class combinations, new aesthetic options (I'd love to see forsaken being able to chose undead skins for any of the other races) , all types of orcs, elves, humans, trolls etc
Just remember Molten Core was made in 1 WEEK. So let that sink in they can easily add new raids and dungeons for the end game.
If blizzard was smart they would take this sod and use it to change the direction of the narrative. Go to new places tell new stories reset the world to something we haven’t seen before. Classic + could be an alternate timeline with new adventures for us to explore.
The point is classic+. Not an xpac, but more patches in the world given
I'd not really play TBC/Wrath season. I'm only playing this because I am hyped for possible C+.
>make Hunter top dps
>give us tracking of fish schools
>rework the professions(particularly cooking) like in tbc
That is the only things we need from TBC. I personally don't anything else from the future.
Here is another thought: why isn’t Blizzard making WoW playable on more devices? Modern consoles support mice and keyboards, and cell phones are more than powerful enough to run classic WoW. They can also be connected to Bluetooth M&K, as well as be directly connected or cast to most monitors. Doing that would make the game playable and affordable to countless people. Even if only a fraction of a percent of them join, that is still a massive boost to the population. That would help with any issues around dividing the player base.
could SOD come out with a brand new expansion and not just go down the path of the old expansions, like just make an entirely new story
I think they should just scale BC down to level 60 and make it a straight progression versus a sectional one. Also, I never understood why hellfire citadel wasn't a raid. It's huge but they broke it down and sectioned it off. It easily could've been a huge raid.
Outland and Wrath should be level 60 content instead of increasing the level cap. It isn’t like leveling up further matters. Or go the extreme other direction and make both similar to Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms: level one to sixty zones and quests as somewhere you can go to level and gear if you want to. More doesn’t strictly have to always be better than and invalidate what there was before.
Tbh sod is the only thing i am interested to play. I hope they make an alternative version of wow.