I retired in India and very very happy. If I need to live same quality of life I need min spend $150k per annum in western country. I'm very happy and I got my chiildhood back. Living in western world I always felt missing something and felt that I did not belong to that place.
I'm a patriotic Indian too, but I'm not blind. Before saying such things please visit other countries, understand how their systems work, how their government takes care of them and then comment. Otherwise this is just empty rhetoric. India has a long long way to go before it becomes the best
so well articulated every aspect of living ......this is a excellent video every working individual especially nearing 50s need to watch ....excellent perspective on money and quality of life ...thanks for this interview
Love her energy n the passion for India. I spent few months in India recently due to my mother and can totally relate and agree to what she is saying. My elderly n mobility challenged mum survived alone during Covid in India (all children overseas) only cause of helpful neighbours n good samiritans. Unbelievable/Impossible in the west. 😊
Kindly do an interview regarding the NRI kids education in India and the related costs in particular at different stages. This is like bringing clarity to some who are worried of high costs for education and it helps some to plan accordingly.
It’s always good have both sides of options. But India is India. Those starting their career want to move out and those want to retire want to have both options.
Everything depends on which country one migrated to. If somebody went to a cold country then they will obviously want to come back . like people who went to warmer countries just like India are actually happy there. weather and food play a big difference.
The USA health system is all messed up. It is very difficult even to get appointment for tests. Most of the Indians are covered under various insurance schemes. But there are a lot of new comers with no coverage at all. This one fact alone is enough to make you return back to India. USA is only for the young and healthy. No place for old and people in need of medical help.
After living in USA for more than a decade, I moved back to India 2 years ago with my family. We have a girl and a boy who are in elementary school. It's the best decision we have made. Yes, there are some drawbacks like traffic and other things, but still, it's worth the move. @desireturn: Can you suggest a good CA?
Thanks Sundeep for sharing your thoughts. Glad to hear that the move worked out for you and your family. Would you send a note to info @ desireturn dot com or on insta at desireturn.official so we can send info about CA
Each to their own, not everyone’s idea of luxury is about having someone do their chores some of us are happy doing our work and not rely on ppl to do it for us
Brilliant episode Avinash, you bring diverse gem stories. Renu verbal skills is excellent. I live in Vancouver ,IT job well settled but I can relate to her life choice supporting last stage of parents life. What else is there in life, she is wonderful. But let’s not go to Road accidents I got beaten in India in accident which was not my fault just coz I was in car and other guy in bike, It never happened in Vancouver people don’t fight during accidents. Thanks
Thank you for your feedback!! Renu is great - clarity with her thoughts and good articulator. Thanks for sharing your experience and sorry to hear that.
May desi return to India because of visa/ job issue / parents etc given a chance Indians will live in usa . More freedom . No polical interference , good infrastructure.lats but not least Reservation . My children suffered because of reservations. Not getting admission in reputed colleges with very high mark .
Although she downplays shoveling snow, taking out the trash and other household chores, these are things that keep you active, humble and heathy. In Canada, the average Gen X or millenial is generally more active and healthy than an Indian who has the ability to have household help. Convenience is not always your friend.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. With convenience, one can choose what they want to do instead of of doing something that they dont enjoy. With that said, managing household help has its own challenges too 🤪
@@DesiReturn lol true. But if people had the choice who would really choose to do household chores? No one! Chores are nature's way of compelling one to be active and also practice mindfulness. It was nice to hear her extol the humanity in India which is definitely true. Of course the flip side is the amount of scams one is subject to India which is not as prevalent in the west. Important to understand that one person's experience is not a reflection of what another will experience. Sorry, just wanted to keep it balanced!
Completely agree. No place is perfect and you need to decide what is more important to you and deal with other things that come along with it. Life is like that and everyone's journey is different.
@@DesiReturn Absolutely agree with you. One does these things out of necessity and not because they love to shovel or cook or do things not that doing chores is bad. The price comes at a cost and it is the time which you get when you have convenience.
Living in Europe I agree only with the point of loneliness. Western world is a very lonely place. Nobody is making a patient of brain tumour wait for surgery here it is based on priority only those surgeries which are not critical are made to wait not all. People here also pick up the person and help the person if someone fell from a bike yes they will not take your number and won’t be connected but they do help on the road if an issue happened though I don’t know how it is in Canada or US.
How come your kids moved back to Canada? For people to come back to India, girls have to feel safe on the roads. Corruption has to stop and there has to be religious freedom and freedom of speech.
Every person has their own choice on what they want to do at a given stage in life. No place is perfect but things have evolved a lot ( girls are safe on indian roads unless you are in some shady pockets for sure; which is case anywhere in the world)
@@DesiReturn I think it is very clear. She is opportunitistic. She made the best of her career overseas. Then she got her kids western passport and packed them off. Her retirement she spent in India because it is cheap. That is all there is to it. All this India is great and India has arrived, is all BS.
Excuse me, I also lived in West África, HongKong n now in Valencia since 46 years...I'm her sister. .I'll never return to India no matter what. Its not about money, its about quality life..social security...the govt who looks after its pple
People more often misinterpret standard of life with the quality of life. This is one such example, but the viewers shouldn't be misguided. Expectations are very subjective, but as the lady says factors that lead to her decision are mainly emotional and convenience, and this shouldn't be framed as any improvements in quality of life in India.
Having flexibility to do different things you want is a better quality of life. Yes there is a slight difference between standard of life and quality of life. It also depends on one's own interpretation of quality of life (what brings them happiness etc.,)
Sorry madam. Great your experience in India helps us understand what are the great things about India. Although it was unnecessary to say only point out the drawbacks in USA. I have never signed 15 pages of document to transfer money ever in decades. Please a pragmatic comparison of positive and negative in both countries would be better.
😂 yes unemployment, infrastructure collapse, more taxes and poor quality of life. People who come back have millions if US dollars and will buy everything with their money power. You are a certified AndhBhakt.
If you remove the super cheap labor available in india then no one will come back … Let is all just acknowledge it … the only reason people go back to india is …. Life gets super difficult in the west without the cheap labor that we are used to back in india .. especially when you have kids … and i totally support people who think like that … i even know americans who dont want to live in america for this exact same reason
I’d like to know where/how she buys dollars in India. I tried and it was like finding a coin on a beach!! If she has millionaire friends in America they are certainly not doing their own laundry, cleaning their own house, cutting their own grass, or taking out their own trash. They pay someone to do all that for them well, she’s a Modi fan no wonder. What does India hold for her? It holds a bunch of poor people who will be at her back and call. Hey, but if that’s what she needs at her time in life. More power to her I guess. You can live a great life in India with money. I heard Modi isn’t doing much for the middle class though. I paid for a hotel room to stay at before I came back to the US for a night. My friend said it was the equivalent of one month pay in India. 😳 No way. $120??? After living in the US for 50 years, I question whether I could fit in in India now. There’s definitely an appeal, but lots of questions too.
I will return to india when there is no air smoke sound pollution. First then good roads and cleaniness. And people behave in a civilised. Less corruption, equality to everyone not like few sections of people dominate the india. Chance for my children to become a good entrepreneurs.
Please don't ever return to india and let your kids stay there for the rest of their life also. You better live in the heaven called western world 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
10:33 no ma’m I have a landscaping company maintain my yard, a cleaning service to keep my house clean, on call cook for food if I don’t feel like cooking, and yes I am living a multi millionaire life in the US. And on the other hand, I have had issues transferring money from India, but sending from here has been a piece of cake. Not sure where you banked…
And grocery store coming out without paying 😂😂😂 if you go to a grocery store without your wallet where you are not known, I am highly doubtful they would let you in India either. During Covid humanity did prevail everywhere, especially when the delivery guy knows where you live😅😅.
Coming back to india is emotional decision.. especially for taking care of aging parents, spending time with them, be with them in their difficult time.. DO NOT EXPECT anything better 1. You won't get better roads, less pollution or better hygiene 2. You will daily face folks with zero civic sense, not respectful to rules or our own country 3. Poor food quality at most places 4. Bad or worst education So folks..don't expect quality of life or anything..its pure emotional decision and if you care for parents...just move and accept reality 🎉🎉
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and perspectives . There a quite a few people who moved for other reasons than taking care of aging parents. No place is perfect and depending on whats more important, they choose where they want to live.
Did i miss it. Is her husband still earning in Hong Kong which makes her life very affordable in India and say "everything is available if you are willing to pay the price"
After 18 your kids will move to abroad again like you did when you were young..just say it quality of life for rich buddhas is better in India then abroad becz of medical facilities😬
Everyone has a choice to decide on what they want to do. Actually studying/working in different countries or even different cities opens up different perspectives and thought process. Based on given phase of life, one can can choose what they want to do
As an immigrant living in USA for the past 30 years, I have to disagree with some of the things she mentioned. I do have house maid that come once a week which is all you need to clean my home. I have a lawn guy that mows my lawn and i am able to grow all the tropical fruits I want as i live in Florida same weather as in India. She talked about not being able to send back the food in restaurant if you are not satisfied is not true. My kids able to get good education at no cost to me. The medical system here is unmatched to any country in the world. Of course there is something I miss like food, relatives........
The medical system here is unmatched!! What are you talking about? I do agree with your remaining claims. But the medical system in the US is the worst!!! The US Medical system is unmatched only if the patient is about to die or is unfortunate enough to suffer a catastrophic disease like cancer. In that unfortunate case, you are better off being in the US than in India.
@@binualex3300 since you work in the health system here, you should know better. Try getting some feedback from your patients or the ones who are waiting for appts for months on end...and you will find out how great the medical system is here.
I don't see the difference, Cost of living in top 5 costliest cities in India is same as that of living abroad. Education and drinking water is free in most G7 countries. Whereas in India, they are being run as a business by business-minded people. Buying flats or apartments in most of the cities in India are becoming "in your dreams". LPG price ₹802.50, Petrol ₹94.72 per liter. Public transport is pathetic in India. And none of the Politicians are bothered about the higher cost of living.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. True cost of living is increasing but in India you have options on what life style you want to spend (different range of schools, restaurants, housing etc.,) but in abroad the basic lifestyle is expensive. Cost of living abroad is crazy too since Covid.
Thank you, but I disagree. I lived in Bangalore before moving abroad. I have seen my friends who return from US struggle to find an affordable apartment without a water shortage irrespective of the area they chose to live in. On an average 2 BHK starts from 1 crore in addition the buyers are burdened by many other taxes (some hidden litigations on the area where the apartment was built). Managing water mafia's. Standing in a big queue in front of a school for kid's admission (no parent wants their kid to get low-quality education in a government school where is no basic facility? ("Politicians" send their kids abroad for good education, why not the common man?). So, perspective of living abroad and returning back to India varies from person to person.
It's not the same cost, though we often hear this from people. Here's an example - the decent place I can rent a very nice 2-3 bedroom furnished apartment in Powai (Hiranandani) or Bandra, both premium locations in India's biggest business city, I would pay Rs 75000 - 150,000 per month. That is equal to CA$ 1250 - $2500 or US$900 - 1800 for which I could barely get a 1 bedroom apartment (not a condo) in a non-premium location in Toronto or NY. The cost of eating in a 5 star in India is half the cost or less of eating in such a place in Canada or US. Same with taxis, food, groceries, maid services, and North America has rubbish public transit barring 1-2 cities. There is no cost equivalency when comparing apples to apples - India is *great* value.
For some it's the flexibility of the time to do what you want vs need to certain things. Any way everyones opinion of Std of Living and Quality of Living is different. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Respectfully, almost none of them thought of anything other than material comforts before moving out of India in the first place.. now the vast majority are back for servants and cheap labour which is borderline inhuman (and no, exceptions are not the norm).
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Most people dont come because of domestic help ( thats secondary). Managing domestic help is another challenge so if thats the main purpose, it wont work out.
Please stop glorifying India like this. It's all sugar coating without knowing the ground realities of India. We are light years away from achieving a developed status.
These are from people experiences who lived in India for sometime. For how long have you been living in India and what is your experience? yes India is a developing country and it might take decades and no one is saying we are developed or will be developed soon. People choose a place based on whats important to them.
Well, her kids got Western passport, thats the goal everyone has. If you really feel India is great, why did you send you kids back to Canada? There in lies the answer.
I dont know getting a wester passport is goal for everyone ( I know few even though they are qualified and who doesnt want to take or took) . Every person has their own choice on what they want to do at a given stage in life.
Passport is a nonissue. Your child with Indian passport with good education in India can always go to many countries for higher education. I have funded 10s of well qualified students from India and given them financial aid making their full education free, and they can have a decent savings from their internships.
@@AmitSheth Wow! That is really commendable on your part, Sir. I also agree, it maybe better to just do higher studies in India and find a job in India now, as there is a cost of living crisis going on everywhere and nobody wants immigrants. Better to live in our own country with dignity.
11:27 - she drank the godi koolaid .. comeon, try to send your own money out of india is a big hassle whereas I have just straight up depoited my bank of america checks in an nre account … india makes it hell lot difficult to send money to america .. ask anyone who has done it except students goint to study in US .. for them its easier
Is "having a lot of house-help, buying cigarettes from a paanwala = good quality of life?" She makes it sound as if doing chores around the house reduces the quality of life??
Everyone’s definition of qualityof life is different and having flexibility of time is important to some. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts
That's how countries are different. Pros and Cons everywhere (no perfect place) It's important to choose which one is better for one needs and circumstance.
Help is available in India? My experience is that people will leave you at the side of street to die, maybe take a picture for WhatsApp but not help you due to fear of police harassing and corrupt system, while in US there will be 10 people that will call 911 and first responder will show up in minutes. Yes, you can get domestic help in India at a cheaper rate because indian don't pay them living wage. Indian judiciary is the most corrupt so just hope that you don't get sued in India.
I would love to call out hypocrisy of these people. People who are moving out of USA mainly people on H1b. As backlog is building up. People are not getting their GC like other west country. Any time market goes down in USA , they loose their sponsorship from company. They need to return back to India. I saw multiple example when people were forced to return back to india from USA during covid 2020. As they loose their sponsorship. Now these people are singing song “ india is great.” on all social media group To make them feel better. My question to these people why did you move to USA in first place, if you love your country so much. It’s called hypocrisy. It reminds me saying “ Angoor Khatte hain” IT’S EASY TO DESPISE WHAT YOU CANNOT GET. 😂
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. People moved due to unforeseen and forced circumstances but also quite a few moved intentionally too. People go to different countries for getting better experiences, opportunities, etc but as your priorities change in life as you age, one candidate decide what they want to do ( move to a different country, change jobs, enroll in different programs etc.,) . Going back to home country is not a failure at all!!
@@DesiReturn People often defend their decision to move back to India by claiming a sudden awakening of love for their country. However, if it's really about the experience, why do many who get the chance to go abroad ensure their child is born in the USA? This way, even if they return to India, they keep the option of coming back to the U.S. open, as their American-born child can sponsor them when they turn 18. I live in the USA and have heard American managers criticize Indian IT workers, saying their main goal is to get sponsored for an H-1B visa. When these workers are sent back, they often justify their return by professing love for their homeland, seeking validation on social media. It’s quite hypocritical!
@@LifeLenswithJyotiGillThat's how you look at it. People who migrated to the US think that have/had a better life but people who did not go also made a lot of money. People who choose to move back also look at the potential India has and investment opportunities. Is grass greener on the India side?
@@ashutoshkulkarni551 duhhhh you are asking a question and answering youself . I am calling hypocrisy of people. How people get sudden awakening for love of their country. When any reason they need to go back to india , mostly visa issue . They start defeding their decision to get validation on social media.
@@LifeLenswithJyotiGill Nope. You are not getting it or don't want to accept that people seriously consider the India option even after living in the US for a long time. People do compare India option at various stages. And, people after returning from the US do make much more money and live a better life. You will find many examples in India if you keep your eyes and ears open. India offers a lot more investment options to make money. Also, US doesn't have UPI :) so you need to carry cash or cards. Very uncomfortable.
India is definitely growing and changing a lot, however, it is not even close to the quality of life, safety and peace of mind you get in western countries, environment is clean and wonderful, people are really nice while in India not all but most people are toxic and just weird and envy and jealousy is the top priority amongst many. Caste politics and religious divides makes even the biggest cities unsafe. Girls are not safe in India in any part no matter what anyone says, we have experienced this ourselves. There has to be a lot of change in the mindset of people to even be close to where it needs to be in the coming years. And no sane minded person who lives abroad would want their kids to grow up in India and that ia the reality.
Thanks for sharing your experiences and perspectives. There are lot of families who moved to India intentionally for the kids to grow up up in India and people can make their own own decisions based on their experiences and opinions. Have a great day!!
In conclusion Her path, get western passport spend productive years in developed country, make sure kids will ,settle in western countries. Come back to India in your late fifties and be liability to Indian government
I agree with your overall point except the last. There is no social security payments in India (at least not in amounts worth mentioning), no free healthcare ( except if you are willing to go to the government hospitals and take a chance there) , no free or great quality public education system. So I don't know what liability the government is taking for someone who moves to India in old age. In fact, if you have some source of global income to support you in your old age, government will be happy to tax you for it...and provide nothing in return.
This woman is talking like a piece of cake. Maybe this woman had a bad experience in Western countries. India and Patients Honey, in the end, is all about Mula🤣🤣🤣If India is so good why do your kids want to go back to studies🤔
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. People go to different places for different reasons. Everyones priorities and ambitions are different and changes as they grow up. Can't generalize.
@@DesiReturn Sure, if only the content you are putting out is also equally balanced. Case in point titling a video "Is money everything? NRI's guide to finding happiness..." plays into the stereotype that money is the primary factor and focus for everyone abroad and otherwise live a lonely, miserable life. Humans race has evolved 'coz they have migrated from place to place and built a community and built a life from the beginning. It is no different for current gen. Painting a cynical picture of the whole thing is misleading and not everyones reality. You are just feeding into the confirmation bias at that point.
Doing your daily chores cooking food, cleaning, backyard mowing, cleaning cloths is a normal course of life, paying others below the minimum wages for such daily jobs is exploitation not to be name as comfort. One needs to integrited in society & upgrade to better social value to live happily in it. That waiting period for medical surgery is for ppl on free govt supported treatment not for the ppl who has private insurance like compared in india. Also india 7% interest comes with 4% deperition of INR VS $ yearly. I live in India & outside in last 30 yrs & in my experience this narattion is absolutely incorrect. Look at basic infra EDUCATION, Health, Judiciary & we all know the story isn't 😅😅😅
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and perspectives. Having flexibility to have chores taken care of is great to quite a lot of people and also another perspective is giving employment to others who needs jobs vs exploitation ( you see that in western countries too due to visa issues etc). There is no perfect place and one needs to decide which is good for them at given phase of life and act accordingly.
@@DesiReturn Understand that however one have to make prospective based on facts not only feelings. That 7% return on INR deposit & comparison of Private Health Care in India with Govt supported health care in US or Canada is totally incorrect & mis leading by any standards. Rest I understand can be different point of view. Such content on public platform from your channel .. just think about it. Prospectives can be different but facts are facts without any manuplation. Look at the truth of Indian infrastructure in this raining season on any TV channel & we all know that's happening in most of these private hospitals in India don't we...
You don't take children of those ages back uproot them from a country that they relate to just like you related to India. That's a crime the children struggled a lot mentally n emotionally until they moved back to where they were meant to be. The youngest was too young to feel frustrated they follow the rules of elders blindly n look for guidance from the elder .
May desi return to India because of visa/ job issue / parents etc given a chance Indians will live in usa . More freedom . No polical interference , good infrastructure.lats but not least Reservation . My children suffered because of reservations. Not getting admission in reputed colleges with very high mark .
Reservation is there in IVY colleges. My daughter had perfect score and highest marks in everything but couldn't get in to any IVY college. Her friend who had much less score than her but because of some other reservation reason got into IVY college.
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I retired in India and very very happy. If I need to live same quality of life I need min spend $150k per annum in western country. I'm very happy and I got my chiildhood back. Living in western world I always felt missing something and felt that I did not belong to that place.
Thanks for sharing your story. Would you be open to share your journey on our podcast. This would be helpful for lot of people.
People who made it to abroad and escaped the rotten trap here can speak like that
U know world is quite different for acheivers
@@Shreya55111India has a lot of achievers
@@De-tw7by Wow, congratulations!
Just say you made it back to India as dollars takes you further in India instead of saying finding happiness is the reason.
East or West India is the Best❤
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
So don’t go overseas 😂😂
@@Sam-bb2jlso don’t come to India 🇮🇳 and Asia . Stay in your wasteland without trees and foods 😅
So don’t come to the India 🇮🇳 and Asia as well 😎 stay at your wasted lands without trees and foods 🥴
I'm a patriotic Indian too, but I'm not blind. Before saying such things please visit other countries, understand how their systems work, how their government takes care of them and then comment. Otherwise this is just empty rhetoric. India has a long long way to go before it becomes the best
I am glad you moved back and got to spend time with your parents. One may want to but things don’t always work out. So happy for you
so well articulated every aspect of living ......this is a excellent video every working individual especially nearing 50s need to watch ....excellent perspective on money and quality of life ...thanks for this interview
Glad that you liked it. Renu is very balanced and good articulator. Please share with others who will benefit from the content 👍
Wonderfully articulated by mam! Thank you for sharing positive feedback about move to India. Truly inspiring!
Thanks for watching and glad to hear you liked it!!
Where one will live can not be generalized, it completely depends on personal circumstances - visa/greencard/education/job/income/family/net wealth.
Completely echo with it and what their key priorities are ( there is no perfect place)
Love her energy n the passion for India. I spent few months in India recently due to my mother and can totally relate and agree to what she is saying. My elderly n mobility challenged mum survived alone during Covid in India (all children overseas) only cause of helpful neighbours n good samiritans. Unbelievable/Impossible in the west. 😊
Thanks for sharing your own experiences and for watching!!
Very positive views by ma'am I know exactly what you say I am a both sides i live and very happy to be in India
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Are you open to share your journey on the podcast?
I am open to it
Great.Please send a note to info @ desireturn .com and we will take it from there
Such great insights from her, very well comprehended thoughts and inputs.
Yes. Gald you found the insights helpful. Thanks for watching and sharing your feedback!!
Excellent interview. Thanks for sharing your experience, Renu 🙏
Glad that you liked it! Feel free to share to others who might benefit
The interviewer has such a strong accent. You can never go home again.
No question life is fun in India. USA or Canada lonely for elderly people.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. Interviewer lives in India
Kindly do an interview regarding the NRI kids education in India and the related costs in particular at different stages.
This is like bringing clarity to some who are worried of high costs for education and it helps some to plan accordingly.
Thanks for reaching out. Yes we would plan for one on the near future
It’s always good have both sides of options. But India is India.
Those starting their career want to move out and those want to retire want to have both options.
True. Different stages based on priorities, people make decisions
Excellent insights!! So positive and so well articulated
Glad you enjoyed it!! Completely echo with your thoughts about Renu.
I live the way she took pride in saying" I was fortunate enough to be a sahm"
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts
One of the best and sensible episodes.
Thanks a lot!
India is like a mother, while any Western country (USA, UK, Canada, Germany) is like an attractive girlfriend. Now make your choice.
Analogy 🙌
Everything depends on which country one migrated to. If somebody went to a cold country then they will obviously want to come back . like people who went to warmer countries just like India are actually happy there. weather and food play a big difference.
The USA health system is all messed up. It is very difficult even to get appointment for tests. Most of the Indians are covered under various insurance schemes. But there are a lot of new comers with no coverage at all. This one fact alone is enough to make you return back to India. USA is only for the young and healthy. No place for old and people in need of medical help.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
After living in USA for more than a decade, I moved back to India 2 years ago with my family. We have a girl and a boy who are in elementary school. It's the best decision we have made. Yes, there are some drawbacks like traffic and other things, but still, it's worth the move.
@desireturn: Can you suggest a good CA?
Thanks Sundeep for sharing your thoughts. Glad to hear that the move worked out for you and your family. Would you send a note to info @ desireturn dot com or on insta at desireturn.official so we can send info about CA
@sudeepyama can you share what field your profession is in?
Well articulated 🙏🏻thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching and for feedback!!
Each to their own, not everyone’s idea of luxury is about having someone do their chores some of us are happy doing our work and not rely on ppl to do it for us
Thanks for taking these interviews junior Karan!😮
Thanks for the feedback. Lol on Jr Karan
Another great episode! And a varying perspective.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Love this video from uk 🇬🇧 I visit India 🇮🇳 every year for 3 months I love ❤️ India 🇮🇳
Thanks for watching!
Brilliant episode Avinash, you bring diverse gem stories. Renu verbal skills is excellent.
I live in Vancouver ,IT job well settled but I can relate to her life choice supporting last stage of parents life. What else is there in life, she is wonderful.
But let’s not go to Road accidents I got beaten in India in accident which was not my fault just coz I was in car and other guy in bike,
It never happened in Vancouver people don’t fight during accidents.
Thanks
Thank you for your feedback!! Renu is great - clarity with her thoughts and good articulator. Thanks for sharing your experience and sorry to hear that.
Please do another episode with her.
Thanks
😂 The Canadian economy is collapsing tomorrow white will hold you accountable so best of luck
May desi return to India because of visa/ job issue / parents etc given a chance Indians will live in usa . More freedom . No polical interference , good infrastructure.lats but not least Reservation . My children suffered because of reservations. Not getting admission in reputed colleges with very high mark .
This was a great episode ❤
Glad that you liked it!!
Although she downplays shoveling snow, taking out the trash and other household chores, these are things that keep you active, humble and heathy. In Canada, the average Gen X or millenial is generally more active and healthy than an Indian who has the ability to have household help. Convenience is not always your friend.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. With convenience, one can choose what they want to do instead of of doing something that they dont enjoy. With that said, managing household help has its own challenges too 🤪
@@DesiReturn lol true. But if people had the choice who would really choose to do household chores? No one! Chores are nature's way of compelling one to be active and also practice mindfulness.
It was nice to hear her extol the humanity in India which is definitely true. Of course the flip side is the amount of scams one is subject to India which is not as prevalent in the west. Important to understand that one person's experience is not a reflection of what another will experience. Sorry, just wanted to keep it balanced!
Completely agree. No place is perfect and you need to decide what is more important to you and deal with other things that come along with it. Life is like that and everyone's journey is different.
@@DesiReturn Absolutely agree with you. One does these things out of necessity and not because they love to shovel or cook or do things not that doing chores is bad. The price comes at a cost and it is the time which you get when you have convenience.
@@Achtungatutube😂 entire us dollar is a scam another clown leave before it's too late
Living in Europe I agree only with the point of loneliness. Western world is a very lonely place.
Nobody is making a patient of brain tumour wait for surgery here it is based on priority only those surgeries which are not critical are made to wait not all. People here also pick up the person and help the person if someone fell from a bike yes they will not take your number and won’t be connected but they do help on the road if an issue happened though I don’t know how it is in Canada or US.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Agree people help in other countries too.
I know some of it sounds like the French queen saying if they are hungry let them have cake, when ppl were dying of hunger.
How come your kids moved back to Canada? For people to come back to India, girls have to feel safe on the roads. Corruption has to stop and there has to be religious freedom and freedom of speech.
Every person has their own choice on what they want to do at a given stage in life. No place is perfect but things have evolved a lot ( girls are safe on indian roads unless you are in some shady pockets for sure; which is case anywhere in the world)
@@DesiReturn I think it is very clear. She is opportunitistic. She made the best of her career overseas. Then she got her kids western passport and packed them off. Her retirement she spent in India because it is cheap. That is all there is to it. All this India is great and India has arrived, is all BS.
This is hypocrisy
No one is dying here in India. You come out of depression first, mam !!!!
Excuse me, I also lived in West África, HongKong n now in Valencia since 46 years...I'm her sister. .I'll never return to India no matter what. Its not about money, its about quality life..social security...the govt who looks after its pple
There are pros & cons whether India, US or Canada, quality of life is subjective, need a balanced view
Very well said. It's a balanced view and what's important as a person as there is no perfect place, which is the reality
People more often misinterpret standard of life with the quality of life. This is one such example, but the viewers shouldn't be misguided. Expectations are very subjective, but as the lady says factors that lead to her decision are mainly emotional and convenience, and this shouldn't be framed as any improvements in quality of life in India.
Having flexibility to do different things you want is a better quality of life. Yes there is a slight difference between standard of life and quality of life. It also depends on one's own interpretation of quality of life (what brings them happiness etc.,)
Just come back to 🇮🇳
Sorry madam. Great your experience in India helps us understand what are the great things about India. Although it was unnecessary to say only point out the drawbacks in USA. I have never signed 15 pages of document to transfer money ever in decades.
Please a pragmatic comparison of positive and negative in both countries would be better.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
thanks for the detail discussion
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts
Welcome to India😮!
Thanks
South Africa to Vancouver is from Tropical to Cold is very tough 😮
Thank you for sharing your insight ma'am. What was the process to move the dog? Cost, airline ticket etc. thank you in advance
Amit, Have you checked out this about moving pet to India. instagram.com/p/C7hBk2pMw18/ ?
My friend moved his Labrador from San Francisco to Mumbai last week(jun-2024) costed him $6500 usd. Don’t know much details.
I talked to someone who relocated pet from TX to Hyd and it costed them around 2k for transportation, vaccine, certificates in US and India
@@DesiReturnThank you Avi . I will check
@@DesiReturnI have a cat. $2 k is not bad.What was the mode of transport the same airline they flew back in cargo?
Great insightful interview! Thank you
Glad that you liked it. Renu is very clear with her toughts and lot of knowledge/insights. Thanks
14:11 😊 ❤Bharat
Thanks for watching
Lovely inputs by the lady. And so well observed that bharat has changed so much under our pm modi.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts
😂 yes unemployment, infrastructure collapse, more taxes and poor quality of life. People who come back have millions if US dollars and will buy everything with their money power. You are a certified AndhBhakt.
If you remove the super cheap labor available in india then no one will come back … Let is all just acknowledge it … the only reason people go back to india is …. Life gets super difficult in the west without the cheap labor that we are used to back in india .. especially when you have kids … and i totally support people who think like that … i even know americans who dont want to live in america for this exact same reason
If people are going just for chepa labor, they wont be happy. That is an added benefit but the major driver should be something else.
Or if Dollar 1 Rs becomes equal to 1 Rs.
I’d like to know where/how she buys dollars in India. I tried and it was like finding a coin on a beach!! If she has millionaire friends in America they are certainly not doing their own laundry, cleaning their own house, cutting their own grass, or taking out their own trash. They pay someone to do all that for them well, she’s a Modi fan no wonder. What does India hold for her? It holds a bunch of poor people who will be at her back and call. Hey, but if that’s what she needs at her time in life. More power to her I guess. You can live a great life in India with money. I heard Modi isn’t doing much for the middle class though. I paid for a hotel room to stay at before I came back to the US for a night. My friend said it was the equivalent of one month pay in India. 😳 No way. $120??? After living in the US for 50 years, I question whether I could fit in in India now. There’s definitely an appeal, but lots of questions too.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. You dont have to fit in India and sounds like US would be better fit for you. All the best 😊
Are you reading my mind
I will return to india when there is no air smoke sound pollution. First then good roads and cleaniness. And people behave in a civilised. Less corruption, equality to everyone not like few sections of people dominate the india. Chance for my children to become a good entrepreneurs.
You have your choices. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
India doesn't need narrow minded people like you
Please don't ever return to india and let your kids stay there for the rest of their life also. You better live in the heaven called western world
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Thank you so much for all videos and guests! We are interested in your desi return founder Avinash story in case if you stayed abroad too ?
Great!! Thanks and you are welcome. Yes I would love to share the journey and I lived in US for 20 years before moving back 2 years ago
10:33 no ma’m I have a landscaping company maintain my yard, a cleaning service to keep my house clean, on call cook for food if I don’t feel like cooking, and yes I am living a multi millionaire life in the US. And on the other hand, I have had issues transferring money from India, but sending from here has been a piece of cake. Not sure where you banked…
And grocery store coming out without paying 😂😂😂 if you go to a grocery store without your wallet where you are not known, I am highly doubtful they would let you in India either. During Covid humanity did prevail everywhere, especially when the delivery guy knows where you live😅😅.
Super happy to know that you have all you need in US and key message is that is Renus experience and she is not generalizing. All the best!!
@@S.A.1try what she said in Walmart, Target and then come back.
great insights maam
Thanks for watching
You can return food in the US restaurants
What do you mean?
Mam, please also invest in ULIP Accounts
I love India, been there 6 times, I dont have family living there, but I would love to relocate, what are the requirements for a South African.
Thanks for watching. You can get visa or OCI depending on your situation.
Thank you
Excellent and insightful video. If you could kindly let me know as to how I can connect with ReNu. Many Thanks.
Thanks Sheena! Can you please reach us out at info @ desireturn.com or Instagram at desireturn.official, we will help with the contact info of Renu
Coming back to india is emotional decision.. especially for taking care of aging parents, spending time with them, be with them in their difficult time.. DO NOT EXPECT anything better
1. You won't get better roads, less pollution or better hygiene
2. You will daily face folks with zero civic sense, not respectful to rules or our own country
3. Poor food quality at most places
4. Bad or worst education
So folks..don't expect quality of life or anything..its pure emotional decision and if you care for parents...just move and accept reality 🎉🎉
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and perspectives . There a quite a few people who moved for other reasons than taking care of aging parents. No place is perfect and depending on whats more important, they choose where they want to live.
I would like to have our contact.
I am in a similar dilemma, to settle down in US or India.
Both have their own pros & cons.
Thanks for watching. Please send a note to info @ desireturn dot com so we can connect .
I am paying the same price for avocado in UK :D
:) lol
Dictionary:
Quality of life = Servants for home chores
Who cares about air and water quality, safety for women, etc.
Did i miss it. Is her husband still earning in Hong Kong which makes her life very affordable in India and say "everything is available if you are willing to pay the price"
So she is looking down on doing your own work? Like moving lawn, cleaning house!
Its having the flexibility to get these chores done which would open more time.
Anyone else who paid local fees for college after returning to India ?
Indian citizen or OCI?
After 18 your kids will move to abroad again like you did when you were young..just say it quality of life for rich buddhas is better in India then abroad becz of medical facilities😬
That's very much true
Didn’t you put your children in the same spot, from where you made the move.
Same vicious cycle?
Everyone has a choice to decide on what they want to do. Actually studying/working in different countries or even different cities opens up different perspectives and thought process. Based on given phase of life, one can can choose what they want to do
As an immigrant living in USA for the past 30 years, I have to disagree with some of the things she mentioned. I do have house maid that come once a week which is all you need to clean my home. I have a lawn guy that mows my lawn and i am able to grow all the tropical fruits I want as i live in Florida same weather as in India. She talked about not being able to send back the food in restaurant if you are not satisfied is not true. My kids able to get good education at no cost to me. The medical system here is unmatched to any country in the world. Of course there is something I miss like food, relatives........
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences. Glad you like the lifestyle in US and happy with it.
The medical system here is unmatched!! What are you talking about? I do agree with your remaining claims. But the medical system in the US is the worst!!! The US Medical system is unmatched only if the patient is about to die or is unfortunate enough to suffer a catastrophic disease like cancer. In that unfortunate case, you are better off being in the US than in India.
@@bandalkaranI agree with you 100%.
@@bandalkaran I work in the health field. So I am v well aware of the system here.
@@binualex3300 since you work in the health system here, you should know better. Try getting some feedback from your patients or the ones who are waiting for appts for months on end...and you will find out how great the medical system is here.
In her perspective been lazy and having maids is quality of life
Not doing chores - doesn’t mean lazy and having extra time to so what you like. Quality of life definition varies from person to person.
Yes having maids do mean quality of life
I don't see the difference, Cost of living in top 5 costliest cities in India is same as that of living abroad. Education and drinking water is free in most G7 countries. Whereas in India, they are being run as a business by business-minded people. Buying flats or apartments in most of the cities in India are becoming "in your dreams". LPG price ₹802.50, Petrol ₹94.72 per liter. Public transport is pathetic in India. And none of the Politicians are bothered about the higher cost of living.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. True cost of living is increasing but in India you have options on what life style you want to spend (different range of schools, restaurants, housing etc.,) but in abroad the basic lifestyle is expensive. Cost of living abroad is crazy too since Covid.
Live other countries then decide
@@DesiReturntrue
Thank you, but I disagree. I lived in Bangalore before moving abroad. I have seen my friends who return from US struggle to find an affordable apartment without a water shortage irrespective of the area they chose to live in. On an average 2 BHK starts from 1 crore in addition the buyers are burdened by many other taxes (some hidden litigations on the area where the apartment was built). Managing water mafia's. Standing in a big queue in front of a school for kid's admission (no parent wants their kid to get low-quality education in a government school where is no basic facility? ("Politicians" send their kids abroad for good education, why not the common man?). So, perspective of living abroad and returning back to India varies from person to person.
It's not the same cost, though we often hear this from people. Here's an example - the decent place I can rent a very nice 2-3 bedroom furnished apartment in Powai (Hiranandani) or Bandra, both premium locations in India's biggest business city, I would pay Rs 75000 - 150,000 per month. That is equal to CA$ 1250 - $2500 or US$900 - 1800 for which I could barely get a 1 bedroom apartment (not a condo) in a non-premium location in Toronto or NY. The cost of eating in a 5 star in India is half the cost or less of eating in such a place in Canada or US. Same with taxis, food, groceries, maid services, and North America has rubbish public transit barring 1-2 cities. There is no cost equivalency when comparing apples to apples - India is *great* value.
Quality of life is not about having house help, the privilege is wild in this one.
For some it's the flexibility of the time to do what you want vs need to certain things. Any way everyones opinion of Std of Living and Quality of Living is different. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I find it strange that they send their kids back.
It’s wish of kids and also good to get international exposure
Respectfully, almost none of them thought of anything other than material comforts before moving out of India in the first place.. now the vast majority are back for servants and cheap labour which is borderline inhuman (and no, exceptions are not the norm).
I would say that's one of the factors but not major factor other wise the move wont work out. Managing domestic help is a big headache too.
Please could you mention the name of the chartered accountant his office address and number
Let me check with Renu.
Please let me know the charted accountant
Most people only come back because they get maids and drivers here. I would not call that good quality of life.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Most people dont come because of domestic help ( thats secondary). Managing domestic help is another challenge so if thats the main purpose, it wont work out.
Im Renus sister. I will never return to India..not all shown is REALITY
Oh nice to e-meet you. Everyone can make thier choice and I respect it. Have a a great day
Nobody is asking you to come, lady!
Please stop glorifying India like this. It's all sugar coating without knowing the ground realities of India. We are light years away from achieving a developed status.
These are from people experiences who lived in India for sometime. For how long have you been living in India and what is your experience? yes India is a developing country and it might take decades and no one is saying we are developed or will be developed soon. People choose a place based on whats important to them.
By the way doing your household work is own responsibility.
Optional vs mandatory is the difference. Having that flexibility is great for some people.
Only problem in india is pollution and red tape ,for these retired guys might be good as they earn but young is struggling to have good life
Dont say quality of life , say cost of living . Quality of life in india is BAD
Well, her kids got Western passport, thats the goal everyone has. If you really feel India is great, why did you send you kids back to Canada? There in lies the answer.
I dont know getting a wester passport is goal for everyone ( I know few even though they are qualified and who doesnt want to take or took) . Every person has their own choice on what they want to do at a given stage in life.
The children were allowed to make their own choices the way I made mine. They have their destiny and are living this their way.
Passport is a nonissue. Your child with Indian passport with good education in India can always go to many countries for higher education. I have funded 10s of well qualified students from India and given them financial aid making their full education free, and they can have a decent savings from their internships.
@@AmitSheth Wow! That is really commendable on your part, Sir. I also agree, it maybe better to just do higher studies in India and find a job in India now, as there is a cost of living crisis going on everywhere and nobody wants immigrants. Better to live in our own country with dignity.
@@AmitSheth Thanks for sharing your experiences
11:27 - she drank the godi koolaid .. comeon, try to send your own money out of india is a big hassle whereas I have just straight up depoited my bank of america checks in an nre account … india makes it hell lot difficult to send money to america .. ask anyone who has done it except students goint to study in US .. for them its easier
Is "having a lot of house-help, buying cigarettes from a paanwala = good quality of life?" She makes it sound as if doing chores around the house reduces the quality of life??
Everyone’s definition of qualityof life is different and having flexibility of time is important to some. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts
Now they need cheap maid servants, cleaners and driver.
That's how countries are different. Pros and Cons everywhere (no perfect place) It's important to choose which one is better for one needs and circumstance.
Nonsense.. You are using slave labour. I would only belive her if she have her Canadian passport up. Utter nonsense
Help is available in India? My experience is that people will leave you at the side of street to die, maybe take a picture for WhatsApp but not help you due to fear of police harassing and corrupt system, while in US there will be 10 people that will call 911 and first responder will show up in minutes.
Yes, you can get domestic help in India at a cheaper rate because indian don't pay them living wage. Indian judiciary is the most corrupt so just hope that you don't get sued in India.
Thanks for sharing your perspectives. Everyone’s experience is different
I would love to call out hypocrisy of these people. People who are moving out of USA mainly people on H1b. As backlog is building up. People are not getting their GC like other west country. Any time market goes down in USA , they loose their sponsorship from company. They need to return back to India. I saw multiple example when people were forced to return back to india from USA during covid 2020. As they loose their sponsorship. Now these people are singing song “ india is great.” on all social media group To make them feel better. My question to these people why did you move to USA in first place, if you love your country so much. It’s called hypocrisy. It reminds me saying “ Angoor Khatte hain” IT’S EASY TO DESPISE WHAT YOU CANNOT GET. 😂
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. People moved due to unforeseen and forced circumstances but also quite a few moved intentionally too. People go to different countries for getting better experiences, opportunities, etc but as your priorities change in life as you age, one candidate decide what they want to do ( move to a different country, change jobs, enroll in different programs etc.,) . Going back to home country is not a failure at all!!
@@DesiReturn People often defend their decision to move back to India by claiming a sudden awakening of love for their country. However, if it's really about the experience, why do many who get the chance to go abroad ensure their child is born in the USA? This way, even if they return to India, they keep the option of coming back to the U.S. open, as their American-born child can sponsor them when they turn 18. I live in the USA and have heard American managers criticize Indian IT workers, saying their main goal is to get sponsored for an H-1B visa. When these workers are sent back, they often justify their return by professing love for their homeland, seeking validation on social media. It’s quite hypocritical!
@@LifeLenswithJyotiGillThat's how you look at it. People who migrated to the US think that have/had a better life but people who did not go also made a lot of money. People who choose to move back also look at the potential India has and investment opportunities. Is grass greener on the India side?
@@ashutoshkulkarni551 duhhhh you are asking a question and answering youself . I am calling hypocrisy of people. How people get sudden awakening for love of their country. When any reason they need to go back to india , mostly visa issue . They start defeding their decision to get validation on social media.
@@LifeLenswithJyotiGill Nope. You are not getting it or don't want to accept that people seriously consider the India option even after living in the US for a long time. People do compare India option at various stages. And, people after returning from the US do make much more money and live a better life. You will find many examples in India if you keep your eyes and ears open. India offers a lot more investment options to make money. Also, US doesn't have UPI :) so you need to carry cash or cards. Very uncomfortable.
India is definitely growing and changing a lot, however, it is not even close to the quality of life, safety and peace of mind you get in western countries, environment is clean and wonderful, people are really nice while in India not all but most people are toxic and just weird and envy and jealousy is the top priority amongst many. Caste politics and religious divides makes even the biggest cities unsafe. Girls are not safe in India in any part no matter what anyone says, we have experienced this ourselves. There has to be a lot of change in the mindset of people to even be close to where it needs to be in the coming years. And no sane minded person who lives abroad would want their kids to grow up in India and that ia the reality.
Thanks for sharing your experiences and perspectives. There are lot of families who moved to India intentionally for the kids to grow up up in India and people can make their own own decisions based on their experiences and opinions. Have a great day!!
Yes, Attitude
You should make these videos in Hindi also
We are looking into this and see how we can bring these episodes in multi languages
In conclusion Her path, get western passport spend productive years in developed country, make sure kids will ,settle in western countries. Come back to India in your late fifties and be liability to Indian government
She is a tax paying resident and how can you say she is liability to Indian government. Anyway everyone can choose their own path.
I agree with your overall point except the last. There is no social security payments in India (at least not in amounts worth mentioning), no free healthcare ( except if you are willing to go to the government hospitals and take a chance there) , no free or great quality public education system. So I don't know what liability the government is taking for someone who moves to India in old age. In fact, if you have some source of global income to support you in your old age, government will be happy to tax you for it...and provide nothing in return.
@@earthling017Your last point is wrong too.
Lol even people who pay taxes aren't liability on that corrupt govt as they barely get any returns like free healthcare, good infrastructure etc. 😂
Buyers remorse lol
Lol if anyone is a millionaire why would they come to US? . Come to west make money tske passport and retire in India. Period
for exposure. Once you have enough money, India could be better spot.
This woman is talking like a piece of cake. Maybe this woman had a bad experience in Western countries. India and Patients Honey, in the end, is all about Mula🤣🤣🤣If India is so good why do your kids want to go back to studies🤔
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. People go to different places for different reasons. Everyones priorities and ambitions are different and changes as they grow up. Can't generalize.
Lies. These ppl do not know what quality of life means
Everyone's definition of quality of life could be different. That's the beauty on what makes all of us unique and what we want to pursue.
@@DesiReturn Sure, if only the content you are putting out is also equally balanced. Case in point titling a video "Is money everything? NRI's guide to finding happiness..." plays into the stereotype that money is the primary factor and focus for everyone abroad and otherwise live a lonely, miserable life. Humans race has evolved 'coz they have migrated from place to place and built a community and built a life from the beginning. It is no different for current gen. Painting a cynical picture of the whole thing is misleading and not everyones reality. You are just feeding into the confirmation bias at that point.
Doing your daily chores cooking food, cleaning, backyard mowing, cleaning cloths is a normal course of life, paying others below the minimum wages for such daily jobs is exploitation not to be name as comfort. One needs to integrited in society & upgrade to better social value to live happily in it. That waiting period for medical surgery is for ppl on free govt supported treatment not for the ppl who has private insurance like compared in india. Also india 7% interest comes with 4% deperition of INR VS $ yearly. I live in India & outside in last 30 yrs & in my experience this narattion is absolutely incorrect. Look at basic infra EDUCATION, Health, Judiciary & we all know the story isn't 😅😅😅
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and perspectives. Having flexibility to have chores taken care of is great to quite a lot of people and also another perspective is giving employment to others who needs jobs vs exploitation ( you see that in western countries too due to visa issues etc). There is no perfect place and one needs to decide which is good for them at given phase of life and act accordingly.
@@DesiReturn Understand that however one have to make prospective based on facts not only feelings. That 7% return on INR deposit & comparison of Private Health Care in India with Govt supported health care in US or Canada is totally incorrect & mis leading by any standards. Rest I understand can be different point of view. Such content on public platform from your channel .. just think about it. Prospectives can be different but facts are facts without any manuplation. Look at the truth of Indian infrastructure in this raining season on any TV channel & we all know that's happening in most of these private hospitals in India don't we...
No way!! Our daughters will not be safe in India!! Sorry!!
wow
Thanks for watching
You don't take children of those ages back uproot them from a country that they relate to just like you related to India. That's a crime the children struggled a lot mentally n emotionally until they moved back to where they were meant to be. The youngest was too young to feel frustrated they follow the rules of elders blindly n look for guidance from the elder .
May desi return to India because of visa/ job issue / parents etc given a chance Indians will live in usa . More freedom . No polical interference , good infrastructure.lats but not least Reservation . My children suffered because of reservations. Not getting admission in reputed colleges with very high mark .
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
I really hope you are not shot by some random person on streets which is latest trend in US
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Reservation is there in IVY colleges. My daughter had perfect score and highest marks in everything but couldn't get in to any IVY college. Her friend who had much less score than her but because of some other reservation reason got into IVY college.