XUAV Talon Pro - Maiden
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- XUAV Talon Pro Maiden. Very efficient, under 4A minimum cruise current. CG at 65mm is the most rearward I would recommend. Might be safer at 60mm. More stable with extra weight of 2 x 4S 3300mAH.
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Minimum weight for factory CG (65mm) - 1200g
Required 4S 3300 Nanotech Lipo plus 70g of extra nose weight (or DJI Air Unit)
SunnySky 2216 1300kV with 8x6 prop
ZOHD 40A ESC
Turnigy TGY 9018 and Hookll MG servos
FrSKY 40A current sensor
Max current draw in the air - 28A
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Great FPV platform to carry a huge Li-Ion battery pack for Ultra Long Range FPV. Something like a 6S4P.
One of your viewers mentioned the poor fitting hatch. Check out 8:15 and you can see the hatch popped up possibly 1 cm? This would create a significant amount of drag and a resultant pitching moment on this very light and low drag plane. If it popped out when you gave it a quick burst of throttle it may account for that quick pitch up! I think the hatch system mod is a must! Great videos as always!
Yes I'll ditch the elastic idea
My thoughts exactly. But it’s the rear hatch that’s lifting most.
@@Davyorr I already lost my rear hatch on the maiden. I saw a great idea of using a servo horn (the dpuble one) as a clamp. I ordered a replaement one and will give this idea a try.
Hey Andrew, I've got one on the way. I'm particularly excited about the crazy efficiency! The extra long glide when you're landing is a good sign! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience!
Hope you enjoy it! Fat body is a bit hard to hold on to.
Congratulations on a very successful Maiden Flight! Fantastic efficiency of the Power System. Love the Glide Profile as well. See you in the Air!
Nice maiden, with lots of useful info. Thanks Andrew. 👍
Thanks for the video. Lovely slow landing flare characteristics.
Thanks, it does land nicely
Very nice, I'm looking forward to mine arriving soon, the Fat Soldier! great vid Andrew
It is a chubby little fellow, but efficient
Nice build and looks very efficient. I have the original MT and it tucks like yours when put in a dive under power (65+ mph). It's the v-tail ruddervators flexing under load, throttle back and you regain elevator authority. Happy Flying!
Yes, flexy foam fins dont like fast
Reinforce
Hi Andrew,
Happy Holidays to you and Virginia. You make the maiden look so easy. Another winner there. Both of you stay safe.
Thanks Don
Looks amazing. Thanks
É mesmo lá teremos que mandar vir um..
@@marcocustodio8926 depois deste teste, um dia vai mesmo ter de ser
@@cabecinha69 Não te esqueças de mim..
A big fuselage with lots of drag and kind of a soft foam material... I guess I'll pass this model (maybe design purpose is distant to me ) but your videos are awesome as always. Thanks for the objective, detailed review.
At 2:15 you said "Holy Dooley" !!! That is sooo funny
Ha, I'll say Hurley Curley next time
Excellent review. Thank you 😌 .
Merry Christmas Andrew and Happy New Year too . Many Thanks for your great videos.
Same to you!
Would love to see the comparison.. looks a great bird.. 👍
Looked rather pitchy, I'm guessing motor thrust angle might help a bit...The streamlined Fuz is paying dividends and obvious weight carrying ability. No provision for fpv camera though?... Needs more flying to get to grips with it...Maybe a FC will help keep things level using Horizon Mode or Alt Hold perhaps... Certainly looking forward to seeing it fly with a Flight Control board...Well done Andrew, thought you were going to stuff it more than once TBH....lol...🤔😀🇬🇧
I did surprise me a few times with a dip or pitch up. Turbulence, flex or CG, not sure yet.
@@AndrewNewton Yes, I think it still hasn't shown itself fully yet. Dont let your guard down just yet.....lol..
I love the original Mini Talon however this one looks like the answer to a question nobody asked. That said, the Mini Talon is only as great as it is due to the huge amount of research into modifications to improve it so the same may well happen with the Talon Pro too, time will tell.
Could be right.
I finally broke down and bought one 🎉. Now I’ve had every talon except the original Talon lol
Which do you like the best? Mini Talon for me.
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I’m considering getting one. Would you recommend it?
@@AndrewNewton my mini talon was great but it got stolen after I was forced to crash land when a servo went out. Lesson learned I used 17g servos in this one. I think I like the Nano Talon Evo the best mainly because it’s easy to transport and I can fly it from almost anywhere and land it almost anywhere.
@@Rapsaj if you like long range flying I would suggest this as its very efficient but if you just like to park fly or close range, I’d recommend the nano talon evo
i was thinking about getting this for an fpv platform, but decided not to once i had sen it. Its got to be the most unfriendly fpv designed plane iv seen. No specific cut outs or areas to mount camera,s ect. At least with the old Talon it was set up for fpv with dedicated areas.
I guess, by seeing it, it is more oriented to be an autonomous UAV platform. No predefined cut outs, you may modify it exactly to your needs.
@@JaviRP97 yes i agree. I know it can obviously be modified in any way you see fit, its just not what i would call fpv ready or friendly. But as you mentioned, 100% a brilliant autonomous craft with a large cargo area for batteries and kit, and a great looking streamlined fuselage.
They really should have at least moulded in some cut lines for camera hatches
@@AndrewNewton Definitely. 100%. Hopefully they,ll listen and the 3rd Version will be a vast improvement..
Nice . I was thinking when I seen it , the tail fuselage is so so short ! Cause Pitchy characteristics?
Would be good to see GPS speed vs Amps.
I remember the FX79 had that high speed dive of death. I can’t quite remember what it was caused from but I think it was either Wing flex or Aileron flex
If I remember correctly it's the Aileron that flexing at high speed
I seem to recall it was both, in a way. I concluded it was the wing flexing, which was interfering with elevon movement somehow. Placing a spar in the wing along the section where the elevons are reduced the problem to almost nothing.
@@iforce2d the video u made about it was great. I also noticed it about 5 years ago as my brother bought the FX79 and I flew it a few times. I ended up gluing in some aluminium spars the whole length of the wings. I never really did further testing of the dive but it still had the wing bounce. Then the motor mount broke and a servo died, since then I lost interest in it and it’s been collecting dust ever since 😂 moved onto other models
Sweet I was just watching the aggressor flight then this comes up lol
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Looks like a Blimp with wings.
Interesting flight. Would make a pretty good FPV platform, but doesn't have decent mounting points or cut outs.
In stock form, this absolutely would not make a good FPV platform. This needs extensive modification to be anywhere near suitable for FPV, at which point all the efficiency of the super sleek fuselage and nose section will be completely undone. You're better off with a standard Mini Talon, or if you don't want to do ANY modification to an airframe, the Talon GT
Quiet for a pusher
Welldone.
It was fast, I mean creating new video, thank you! Are you thinking to add flaps?
I dont think flaps would suit this style of plane, too short and pitchy
Hatch appears to be moving up and down by 1cm which could be affecting trim.
Could be, it's not ideal anyway. I'll hinge the front of the hatches.
Amazing ! Big like
👏👏👏...👍
HI ANDREW - PLEASE EXCUSE THE CAPS - BUT I AM PARTIALLY SIGHTED - AN OLD SCHOOL FLYER - BUT JUST GETTING BACK INTO THIS AS I AM TEACHING - LOVE YOUR SIGHT BECAUSE IT'S A BIT MORE DOWN TO EARTH - AND EASIER TO UNDERSTAND - AND I LIKE SEEING PEOPLE FLYING PLANES AND EXPLAINING WHAT'S GOING ON - I DO UNDERSTAND 90 % OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING WITH FPV - FLIGHT CONTROLLERS AND PLANES - SO PERHAPS YOU CAN HELP ?? - MOST OF THE PLANES NOW HAVE 2 SERVOS IN WINGS FOR AILERONS - BUT FLIGHT CONTROLLERS - GYROS ETC ONLY SEEM TO HAVE ONE AILERON OUTPUT - SO DO YOU INSTALL WITH A "Y" LEAD ??? - I HAVE JUST ORDERED A ZOHD COPILOT LITE AFTER WATCHING YOUR REVIEW - AGAIN THIS UNIT ONLY HAS ONE AILERON OUTPUT - SO DID YOU PUT IN A "Y" LEAD - YOU ARE SUCH A LUCKY MAN WITH YOUR FLYING SITE - IT'S HUGE !!! - WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH A COUPLE OF FOOTBALL PITCHES - ANYWAY BIG THANKS FOR YOUR SITE - AS I HAVE SAID REALLY LIKE IT
NEXT QUESTION - WHICH PLANE WOULD YOU RECOMEND AS FIRST FPV / FLIGHT CONTROLLER - GO WITH A 2 SERVO WING - AGGRESSOR - OR MORE CONVENTIONAL 2 SERVO WING WITH A V TAIL - TALON TYPE - I CAN STILL FLY ANYTHING - SO I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY - BUT FOR MY STUDENTS - ALSO - DO YOU HAVE AN E-MAIL ADDRESS - AS MIGHT BE EASIEST WAY OF US TALKING ??? - THANKS SO MUCH - REGARDS DAVID BRIAN HOMEWOOD - UK
HI DAVID, I’D STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU JOIN ONE OF THE MANY FPV GROUPS WITH TONS OF UK MEMBERS. “FIXED WING RC REBELS” IS ONE OF THEM. THEY WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU OUT AND IN GENERAL THE FPV COMMUNITY IS VERY FRIENDLY TO NEWBIES BECAUSE THE LEARNING CURVE CAN BE STEEP! AS FOR A FIRST FOV PLANE, I WOULD RECOMMEND SOMETHING EASY LIKE A HOBBYKING BIXLER CONVENTIONAL PUSHERS OF THAT STYLE ARE EASY TO LAUNCH AND BEHAVE LIKE GLIDERS - NOT TOO FAST AND EASY TO HANDLE IN A SMALLER SPACE. BEST OF LUCK!
Yes you are right, Y Lead is how you connect 2 ailerons to 1 flight control board output. As Northern FPV said, something like a Bixler 2 is best to start with FCBs. Email address is in the About page on this site.
V2 with V-Tail.... Wasn't made in Germany, was it??
I agree, more than likely too short between wing & fins. ((Plus some loose clothing))
Yeah right, Gym,,, Who did ya have to pick up??
Merry Christmas and New Year Andrew...
Haha, same to you Bruce. Gym wasn't open!
looks like a great slope soarer too I guess . Seems to be efficient as a wing with the big body.
Appears more and more appealing ... but I can not wait to see you talking about it in 6 months looking back on your planes of the past and those still in the hangar.
Wonder if the Ranger 1600 is still there and what by the way are the planes you have for the longest time ?
Still have the Ranger 1600, will never tire of it.
Andrew seems to live on the other side of the planet - because here, the weather is soooo bad ;)
Which side do you live in?
Looks like previos mini talon :) but little better :)
Better space and access.
Its a winner!!!!!!!!!!
Yes it has great potential. Uploaded photos of the manual here - www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?3771535-X-uav-Talon-Pro-The-new-redefined-Talon/page3#post46180187
Nice flight Andrew
Still a little too big but obviously it works 👌
Need big hands to throw this one but it is very efficient
great review, as usual . do you think it would fly ok with a sunnysky 2216 1250 kv and a 8x6 pusher prop?
Yes, perfect
@@AndrewNewton thank you
Not impressed. That hatch sticking up and elastic is a fail. Softer foam and no front end mounts. Might give it a miss.
Looks good plane for fpv. Maybe some diff on the ailerons would help? (more up and less down)
Yes definitely
Hard to see in the air on video good for only fpv ?
Would be OK with more colour, but it is intended for FPV
I noticed mine lands similar to yours even with 2 x 5200 3s lipos haha I might add flapperons to this one haha 😂 independent ailerons it is I guess haha 😂
Hi Andrew super glad you did this review question will it Slope Soar ? Same with the dolphin
Yes but neither are made for sloping
Hi Andrew, nice maiden and maybe check the tip-stall characteristics next time. Cheers.
Will do, but I'm betting it will be well behaved
@@AndrewNewton my original full size Talon was terrible for tip stalling. I hope this is better
very guppy
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Hi Andrew, I am a bit late to the party with Talon Pro but hey I got it. Now I am thinking about motor options for mid-long range like 10kms. and I have a DYS 3542 1450KV. Do you reckon this motor will do on 4S? Thank you.
Motor is bigger than needed but will work fine with an 8x4" prop on 4S. Me and others have used Sunnysky 2216 1250kV but it would work with just about anything.
Thanks for the great review. I'll pass on this one. Looks like the wings are fluttering a lot. Suppose the soft foam doesn't help either. Maybe you can cover the wings with a foil?!?
Flutter was the elastic band vibrating, it was also making the droning noise
... hmmm, ... the "dipping", ... maybe it's the angle between the wings and tailfins, I think you call it "angle of incidence", in German it's called "Einstellwinkeldifferenz" 😊, shortly "EWD" ... ?
Could be EWD or motor thrust angle
it looks like a missile with wings :-)
It does!
V-1 :)
Andrew can we request you show how you cut out the hatch on the front of the original mini talon please?
Coming soon, I have cut out the nose hatch. Best to do it before joining the fuselage halves
Hi there, where have you found the best c of g % on thd talon type aircraft? I have built a small 900mm talon with ch at 25% and its pitch is heavy, porposing and barly controllable. Am thinking its nose heavy but 25% should be that bad..
This might help ruclips.net/video/fpJK7JRbPO0/видео.html
Big fusalege but small wings !if only min wing size 150cm
If ZOHD had designed it, then it would probably have denser foam, magnetic hatches, and other nifty things.
Yes, it would have been much more expensive but a more complete design
I've noticed Zohd planes are competing with Horizon prices these days
So much space in it, and they recommend 4s 3300mah? I load my mini talon with 4s 12A battery and dji air unit and it flies :) This one I think should fit around 4s 20A battery?
Maybe, if you put part of the battery in the fc compartment to balance it out haha
Yep, I very rarely flew my Mini talon with anything less than 8Ah 4S and it was perfectly fine, ok... so it comes in a bit hot on landing but once up to speed the thing just pootles around under 4 amps and gobbles up the miles
Yes it will carry whatever you load into it, but laminating would be essential
Howdy, I got the Talon and on the maiden flight I lost the rear hatch. Anyone knows if replacement parts are sold anywhere?
Might have to look for a 3d printed one
Do the upturned wing tips make it less susceptible to tip stall?
Yes they would help
@@AndrewNewton thanks for your reply Andrew
max speed?
How to measure speed?
Very nice plane. Fully destroyed my Talon's in many attempt to made it fly. It's always lean to the left and fall as result. Don't understand why. Surface control is correct, engine trust is 2X of weight, geometry is ok e.t.c. But always same story.....
Very odd! Mine have been easy to launch and fly, but they are light weight
@@AndrewNewton Mine is 1700 g. Engine thrust is 2700. I thought maybe it's contre rotation from too powerful engine. Tried to fly with 900 g thrust - same issue. Even on autolaunch - same issue. Weird. Other wings I have , fly normally.
@@yaroslavsadovy9012 what’s your motor / prop setup?
Bad servo?
Anyone else feel XUAV screwed the pooch on this one? A little too late? And all the "hype" with this thing for months and now finally we're seeing proper flights... The plane just seems meh.... You would think they would "modernize" the new one and make it more FPV friendly and integrate some of the common mods (Mark Q stuff). But still in 2020 this plane seems like it was made before modern FPV equipment existed.
Especially when you see options like the AR Wing Pro that have so many user friendly features that keep today's FPVers in mind. This is a refresh and nothing more.
@@eNau-tilus I'm so glad I bought the AR Wing PRo, going to by one extra but then the Kit version. One long range and one for speed!
It looks to flying bomb , be careful with the news laws about drones in 2021 😁
US laws dont reach to Australia
Lol... at trim it down a bit... beeeeppp beep beepp beepp beepp... maximum trim rate.
This looks a lot more sexy aerodynamic than the ZOHD DART... for example... but not as aerodynamic as a flying wing.
Looks kind of like a V1 Flying Bomb
Trim it all the way! Land and trim some more!