I always wondered why level action shotguns almost instantly phased out when pump action became a thing. Seeing those loading fails. I now understand. *Edit* Dear Goodness this blew up. Thanks everyone for the input and knowledge on how to work a lever gun properly. I was more looking at this gun's place in history, but after this comment, learnt very few lever guns were ever adopted by a miliary in history. Just always wondered why it was always such a niche gun, and only became popular due to certain movies. Thanks all for sharing your gun knowledge on this gun.
Yeah when browning was forced to make it he knew the design would fail plus his plans with the pump action and experiments with the A5; He knew it would be an obsolete design and a u turn against innovation.
@@thewerepyrekingexact. The cartridge used in this vídeo is not recommended for Lever action shotguns. Brass cartridges or "BLUE" cartridges is indicated to use.
My Chinese 1887 copy is about 90% ish reliable, which is good for a rough around the edges Chinese shotgun. It almost appears like the two sides of the loading arm aren't compressing enough to control the feed anymore on this 1901. If I were to guess, it might be a little worn out by now.
Yeah I felt disappointed that poor old champ ain't cycling right. Probably an easy fix though. Whatever holds the shells within the proper dimensional place during cycling is likely all that needs a tune up. Could be the extractor or the extractor spring? 🤷♂️ Just needs a little tlc. Would love to see it cycle smoothly. That'd be satisfying af 👌
@@smokingcrab2290 I have a decent amount of shooting time with these, and I have found if you work the lever quickly, the shells dont tend to fall out as much, in the video he's working it rather slow, but they have their quirks.
I have the Norinco clone of this in 12 gauge, using the lever with speed usually seems to prevent most reliability issues, but its very picky on what shells it likes the best. I've had the best luck with Remington 2 3/4 slugs and winchester super X birdshot works fine too. I dont know it doesnt like any buckshot for some reason. Theres a video of it on my channel of my friend shooting the slugs out of it and it works pretty well there.
I also own Norinco 87. It prefers short brass (if we talking about plastic shells) and 65mm shells (2 1/2 inch). Longer shells or high brass sometimes jams in mine. But yes, dynamic cycling makes the difference - less jams.
At the least, the controls seem fairly convenient. You can fix failures to feed by just opening it and jamming your fingers in there to move things where they need to go. Also, from my (admittedly, fairly limited) experience with Browning's weapons, they tend to be temperamental. They work like a charm, but only if you use them in exactly the right way. Like with the 1911, you can't ease the slide forward to chamber a round or it jams. You HAVE to let it go and let it slam home by itself. I suspect that this shotgun might also be a little picky in how you're meant to operate it. If it's anything like his handgun, try going faster.
I am not too familiar when it comes to ammunition, so after reading the description, I ask: Why you were not able to find smokeless 10 gauge shells for this? Are they not made smokeless or did they run out in the stores? What is the situation like?
@@TenaciousTrilobiteit is. I think new spring up front, or some polishing would help it out a bit tho. You should get your hands on a Chiappa Repro to see the difference!
Those 1887s and 1901s are a kinda screwy design but I love them. I have a Chinese knock off pw87 and if you send the lever home every time it cycles a lot better. Occasionally it will eject 2 shells at a time though.
The Finals models and animates this pretty much perfectly as well. They didn't have to considering the whole... Virtual gameshow appeal and all, but it's so damn satisfying to use.
This thing seems to stovepipe a lot. Or reverse stovepipe? Whatever, I had heard they were horribly unreliable, but the few videos I've seen made them seem fine. This is just, *wow*
I think it's not possible with the original ones as the feed mechanism was slightly different? This is going from memory so..Pinch of salt and all that. But regardless if you had one capable of it and fitted with a large lever so you don't snap your fingers off, you probably could.
Years ago, pre me, my dad and his brother-in-law went pheasant hunting in western Ks. Dad's shotgun broke down on him and it happened to be that my uncle brought along his dad's 1901, just for the heck of it. My dad ended up using it and he said that by the end of their successful weekend hunt, his shoulder was bruised and extremely sore and that he never wanted to shoot a 1901 again.
That is an awesome, amazing and beautiful shotgun. I love lever action guns. What is the barrel lending on this one? Just thought I'd ask since that is a totally great gun. Please and Thank you.
This one has a 32" barrel. Interestingly all 1901s left the factory in this exact configuration. It was kind of the last gasp of the 1887 design before Winchester gave up on lever action shotguns in favor of pump action.
You might be able to have your gunsmith fit some flat spring steel buffers in the receiver to stop the cartridges from flying out so readily to make it more reliable, again you don't want to modify too much with an antique gun, but It is good to Improve them in a minimalistic way that you can't see it
Less of a lever-action shotgun, more like a single-shot with a lever-actuated shell dispenser. You end up having to load the gun by hand, the magazine just make the round convenient for you to grab!
@@leviturner3265 The system as a whole is really bad and open to error and dust getting into it. It was quickly abandoned once pump-action Shotguns became a thing, and it was probably rarely used in the first place.
I have heard that with this gun you have to use it like you’re angry for it to feed properly like you have to pull the lever forward and back very hard
@Tenacious Trilobite Awesome!!! I've been wanting to see someone do a pov for the lever action shotguns, I would like to request the Spencer Repeating Rifle? Or maybe a Schofield or one of the old Colt revolvers like the dragoon or walker for percussion cap or the thunderer for cartridge?
If it really is more than century old, the mechanism is worn out and doesnt feed properly anymore. Not the most reliable design for sure. But cool and iconic!
@@TenaciousTrilobite Ah, a shame. Still a cool piece to see though. By the way this is the first video I've seen from you in about a month that I noticed in my subscription list. I checked your channel and the last one I remember was the Hardballer and before that it was the M14. I don't recall seeing any of your other videos at all between them so it's like I'm only getting 1 video a month that I actually see. Thought I should let you know something might be up.
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I always wondered why level action shotguns almost instantly phased out when pump action became a thing. Seeing those loading fails. I now understand. *Edit* Dear Goodness this blew up. Thanks everyone for the input and knowledge on how to work a lever gun properly. I was more looking at this gun's place in history, but after this comment, learnt very few lever guns were ever adopted by a miliary in history. Just always wondered why it was always such a niche gun, and only became popular due to certain movies. Thanks all for sharing your gun knowledge on this gun.
Yeah when browning was forced to make it he knew the design would fail plus his plans with the pump action and experiments with the A5; He knew it would be an obsolete design and a u turn against innovation.
It's likely that these are shorter and change size after firing compared to the original brass-only shells of 1901, but it is certainly finicky.
@@thewerepyrekingexact. The cartridge used in this vídeo is not recommended for Lever action shotguns. Brass cartridges or "BLUE" cartridges is indicated to use.
My Chinese 1887 copy is about 90% ish reliable, which is good for a rough around the edges Chinese shotgun. It almost appears like the two sides of the loading arm aren't compressing enough to control the feed anymore on this 1901. If I were to guess, it might be a little worn out by now.
@@larkenkuznetsov3413 replace those and if it has a feed ramp get that polished.
The mechanism on this gun is so cool and unique, happy you could get your hands on one!
And designed by none other than John Moses Browning. Basically, he took a rolling block action and combined it with a lever action and tube magazine.
Unique in its tendency to jam yes
If I'm not mistaken, he already owns a Winchester 1887.
@@hoppinggnomethe4154 He does own a Winchester 1895 rifle in .30-40 Krag.
Yeah I love how it stovepipes with every other cycle, what a feat of engineering.
The shells look like they're ready to dip every time you cycle that thing. Still a kickass gun though.
Yeah I felt disappointed that poor old champ ain't cycling right. Probably an easy fix though. Whatever holds the shells within the proper dimensional place during cycling is likely all that needs a tune up. Could be the extractor or the extractor spring? 🤷♂️ Just needs a little tlc. Would love to see it cycle smoothly. That'd be satisfying af 👌
@@smokingcrab2290 I have a decent amount of shooting time with these, and I have found if you work the lever quickly, the shells dont tend to fall out as much, in the video he's working it rather slow, but they have their quirks.
@@ramiroisramI only fired a lever-action shotgun once in my life, I was told to cycle fast for the same reasons
You got to rack that action like you freaking mean it and NOT limp wrist it.
You got to rack that action like you freaking mean it and NOT limp wrist it.
Those shells were just so excited to be chambered!
Is it possible the mechanism is unreliable partially because the shells are not made of brass? Regardless that gun is in great shape.
Unlikely. Brass shells would have been just as front-heavy as the plastic shells
@TenaciousTrilobite, is it the extractor or the extractor spring perhaps? I bet it's just something small that needs a tube up.
Don't blame the ammo. It's just a shitty gun with bad design
@@idontreply2236 nice bait
wouldnt the brass shells be even more front heavy? brass is heavier than plastic
Gotta love how in Modern Warfare 2 and Terminator 2 that this shotgun somehow never jams.
Must be that flip-cocking power lmao.
Bro in a game called fallout new vegas they got one of these things but it tosses the shell on the floor and loads that shit automatically too 🎉😂
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@@cmays209 Gears of War's Gnasher uses a side ejection mechanism similar to standard lever-action rifles.
Interesting gun, but I guess we know why this loading mechanism is no longer in use.
This is a bad example. Lots of lever action shotguns run just fine, and there are now modern designs like the Adler.
@@joshklaver47Doesn't change the fact that pump-action was far more reliable and easier to engineer. I say that as a lover of the 1887.
@@joshklaver47Those are using modern under loaded feeding systems rather than this.
@@myusername3689 They still prove it's possible to make fast and reliable lever action shotguns.
@@joshklaver47 "but I guess we know why this *loading mechanism* is no longer in use."
Hasta la vista, baby!
-Terminator 2
uhh nono esperame que se me trabo el cartucho, un momentito por favor, listo. Hasta la vista, baby
Those O'Driscoll Boys better watch out
Yea but.. if it is made in 1901... How Arthur Morgan can have it? Or Even the online character
@@aldodaviddeitacerezo8807 the shotgun was made in 1887 this one is a 1901 but its based on an 1887
@@aldodaviddeitacerezo8807 this type of weapon does show up in RDR2
@@pablo_giustiniani But RDR2 hapen in 1899
@@aldodaviddeitacerezo8807 I think you can't get the gun until the epilogue. Which takes place in 1907
I have the Norinco clone of this in 12 gauge, using the lever with speed usually seems to prevent most reliability issues, but its very picky on what shells it likes the best. I've had the best luck with Remington 2 3/4 slugs and winchester super X birdshot works fine too. I dont know it doesnt like any buckshot for some reason. Theres a video of it on my channel of my friend shooting the slugs out of it and it works pretty well there.
I also own Norinco 87. It prefers short brass (if we talking about plastic shells) and 65mm shells (2 1/2 inch). Longer shells or high brass sometimes jams in mine. But yes, dynamic cycling makes the difference - less jams.
Lever-action is such a sexy mechanism.
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I always love seeing how guns and weapons change and improve over time
At the least, the controls seem fairly convenient. You can fix failures to feed by just opening it and jamming your fingers in there to move things where they need to go.
Also, from my (admittedly, fairly limited) experience with Browning's weapons, they tend to be temperamental. They work like a charm, but only if you use them in exactly the right way. Like with the 1911, you can't ease the slide forward to chamber a round or it jams. You HAVE to let it go and let it slam home by itself. I suspect that this shotgun might also be a little picky in how you're meant to operate it. If it's anything like his handgun, try going faster.
Now that’s a nice old shotgun! Awesome video!
I need your corn, your keys, and your birdhouse
Very charming and as well as seeing the flaw of the gun
I am not too familiar when it comes to ammunition, so after reading the description, I ask:
Why you were not able to find smokeless 10 gauge shells for this? Are they not made smokeless or did they run out in the stores? What is the situation like?
It uses shorter chambers than modern 10 gauge shotguns. No one makes short chamber smokeless loads, so I had to go with BP shells
@@TenaciousTrilobitethat added atmosphere to it. I love it.
Aw yeah, 10 gauge time.
"Wait a second. This is a 10 gauge solid slug, they use these for roadblocks!" - Rally Vincent, _Riding Bean_
Is the gun's feed mechanism really that unreliable or is it just the ammunition you were using?
It’s pretty unreliable
Unreliable. The guy who designed it knew so and went on to design the Winchester 1897 and Browning Auto 5, far more reliable designs
@@TenaciousTrilobiteit is. I think new spring up front, or some polishing would help it out a bit tho. You should get your hands on a Chiappa Repro to see the difference!
@@boywhohasl1vedhascometodie469 Does the Chiappa behave better?
@@Genocideforbeginners He made a video about da Winchester 1897 that is a trench gun varient
Those 1887s and 1901s are a kinda screwy design but I love them. I have a Chinese knock off pw87 and if you send the lever home every time it cycles a lot better. Occasionally it will eject 2 shells at a time though.
gun from sfg2
“I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle…”
- The Terminator
And this boys and girls is one of the biggest reasons why lever action shotguns never really caught on
damn these graphics are so realistic
No way! My favorite gun from Fallout New Vegas, and even comes with the in game jamming animation!
Awesome gun, never realized how much they could jam/malfunction tho.
You know a movie is so good when Arnold Schwarzenegger flips this shotgun while on a motorbike
Thursday I went and bought a revaluation 20 gauge bolt action 1st bolt shotgun I've seen in person, and I've always wanted 1
Even with all the reloading fails, that action is beautiful
Ahhh now this is the Iconic weapon Im looking for the amount of Games,Comics,Cartoons this shotgun appeared.
When i saw this gun, the first thing that came to my mind was the movie "Terminator 2".
1:06 the gun was literally like "how about you load me now?" 😂😂😂
Lol
по-русски "печная труба".
Have to admit though. The design of the gun itself is cool.
This gun is so cool that it encouraged me to replay Fallout: New Vegas 🤠
Didn't realize till I read the description it was an original, thought it was unreliable because it was a Chinese copy.
I wondered why they stopped making these and I got my answer
Wow! Winfield Terminus!
Never had one jam like this
Как же он великолепен… классика 19века 💪🏻👍🏻🤩
That's How the 1887 Works in Real life.
FPS Games developers need to take notes on the realistic weapons like this.
In the first MW3 the guy loads the shells into the barrel, not the actual magazine tube 🤣
It worked right in Fallout New Vegas, unfortunately the devs made the gun in 20 gauge, though, meaning it's not very useful.
Play Hunt Showdown. The entire arsenal is just :chefkiss"
The Finals models and animates this pretty much perfectly as well. They didn't have to considering the whole... Virtual gameshow appeal and all, but it's so damn satisfying to use.
I think Hunt Showdown did a pretty great job in this, except for their revolver that doesn't need to use ejecting rod to drop the empty casings
that's so relaxing woah
The winfield terminus for all my fellow hunters out there
Oh damn, I forgot to add it to the Hunt playlist
@@TenaciousTrilobite i respect the dedication of making a playlist just for hunt
This thing seems to stovepipe a lot. Or reverse stovepipe? Whatever, I had heard they were horribly unreliable, but the few videos I've seen made them seem fine. This is just, *wow*
Man! I love your videos man!! 😀 it's like Music to my ears.
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makes me wonder if the spin cycle action would even work. (the terminator one)
I think it's not possible with the original ones as the feed mechanism was slightly different? This is going from memory so..Pinch of salt and all that.
But regardless if you had one capable of it and fitted with a large lever so you don't snap your fingers off, you probably could.
Years ago, pre me, my dad and his brother-in-law went pheasant hunting in western Ks. Dad's shotgun broke down on him and it happened to be that my uncle brought along his dad's 1901, just for the heck of it. My dad ended up using it and he said that by the end of their successful weekend hunt, his shoulder was bruised and extremely sore and that he never wanted to shoot a 1901 again.
Are you sure it wasn't your mother? :D
@MW-lw5mn no, my mother and your mother were turning tricks at the truck stop back then. Your mom made more money than mine....🙁
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Holy shit! Four cartridges misalignments when firing!
"Don't forget to bring that rifle from your horse Arthur."
У меня за день ничего так не смешило, как эти милые затыки ))
That is an awesome, amazing and beautiful shotgun. I love lever action guns. What is the barrel lending on this one? Just thought I'd ask since that is a totally great gun. Please and Thank you.
This one has a 32" barrel. Interestingly all 1901s left the factory in this exact configuration. It was kind of the last gasp of the 1887 design before Winchester gave up on lever action shotguns in favor of pump action.
@@TenaciousTrilobite Thank you for the information.
I've 1901 ten gauge, any advice regarding reloading and maintenance would be awesome guys.
Oh neat, Tenacious is shooting my favourite gun! Well, technically I guess the 12 gauge 1887 is but, close enough!
That gun had more malfunctions than Janet Jackson's superbowl half-time dress.
Weird how the shotshells are coming out. Badass shotgun too.
Looks like a very fun paperweight.
You might be able to have your gunsmith fit some flat spring steel buffers in the receiver to stop the cartridges from flying out so readily to make it more reliable, again you don't want to modify too much with an antique gun, but It is good to Improve them in a minimalistic way that you can't see it
you’re a good man Arthur Morgan
How hard is it to pull back and forth the lever? My BB gun actually takes some decent effort lol.
The shells really want to fuck out of that gun 🤣
popped that shell back up like "here do it yourself"
The Winfield Terminus!
Cool Joe points through the roof, but I'm glad it didn't catch on as the design to stick with.
idc about the loading issues I AM WET
I was mentally singing baaaad to the boooone when those jams killed the mood, lol. Cool video, though.
Less of a lever-action shotgun, more like a single-shot with a lever-actuated shell dispenser. You end up having to load the gun by hand, the magazine just make the round convenient for you to grab!
I guess the only way to get it to feed right is if you're Arnold Schwarzenegger and you swing it with one hand while riding a Harley.
I think that was an 1887, not a 1901, but they're similar enough.
@@TheFirstCurse1 Maybe. Maybe it feeds better in twelve gauge that is why it runs better in the movie.
@@leviturner3265 The system as a whole is really bad and open to error and dust getting into it. It was quickly abandoned once pump-action Shotguns became a thing, and it was probably rarely used in the first place.
Bro’s gun jammed more than a 2000’s laptop trying to boot roblox💀
looks like they took a lot of inspiration from this for the model 1887 in The Finals
Grandpa's good old shotgun
Wow 1era ves que veo una escopeta de palanca con problemas para cambiar de cartucho, quizas eso explica por que no es tan usada.
Something about loading that shotgun is sexy af
I have heard that with this gun you have to use it like you’re angry for it to feed properly like you have to pull the lever forward and back very hard
@Tenacious Trilobite Awesome!!! I've been wanting to see someone do a pov for the lever action shotguns, I would like to request the Spencer Repeating Rifle? Or maybe a Schofield or one of the old Colt revolvers like the dragoon or walker for percussion cap or the thunderer for cartridge?
Lightning is probably more viable than Thunderer. .38 LC is around, but I’m not sure where I’d get .41 LC.
Either works, thank you!@@TenaciousTrilobite
beautiful
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They should make a chunky lever-action shotgun that is exactly in model comparison to a rifle
been playing to much fallout nv, i saw the gun not reload right and my first thought was find another to repair it.
that thing is a jamming machine
I guess this means that doing that cool flick reload from terminator is off the table
You can almost see why john browning thought these were a bad idea
I suppose if you were in a jam you can always throw it at the target.
So cool❤❤❤
This pov is exactly like a video game lol.
I can’t believe how many times the blooper did 0:50
How the Terminator do the spin thing without the next shell falling out?
You just got jammed!
What if T800 had this kind of malfunction? :)
Whats the different between the 1887 and the 1901?
*Edit*: other than the "designed for the smokeless part", apparently I'm blind.
It also has an extra extractor and a safety added to the lever
Time to get my shades and a motorcycle tho ;)
If it really is more than century old, the mechanism is worn out and doesnt feed properly anymore. Not the most reliable design for sure. But cool and iconic!
It's like it's less of a mechanism for chambering the next round as it is a built in shell holder, goddamn
legendary
Such a cool gun but it seems like a pain in the ass to use
It's a cool unique gun but it's painfully obvious why it's not the best design.
Seeing this in action, there's no way you could do the spinny reload without a malfunction
Oof, that's not normal. Fairly common from what I've seen though. I've had luck with my 1887 not doing the stovepipe dance much.
Так бы выглядела анимация заклинивания этого дробовика, если бы он был в far cry 2
Pretty cool
It behaves better if you fast-stroke the action doesn't it? Though I suppose that's probably hard filming in first-person.
Possibly. I didn't have enough shells to experiment before filming.
@@TenaciousTrilobite Ah, a shame. Still a cool piece to see though.
By the way this is the first video I've seen from you in about a month that I noticed in my subscription list. I checked your channel and the last one I remember was the Hardballer and before that it was the M14. I don't recall seeing any of your other videos at all between them so it's like I'm only getting 1 video a month that I actually see. Thought I should let you know something might be up.
Yeah, I suspect RUclips has been sitting on me lately
So are those reload failures more due to the age of the weapon, or was this not very reliable back in the day either?
Both