Howdy friends, please do not assume the unreliability seen in the video is indicative of historical performance. The ammo is very difficult to perfectly replicate today. The rifles would’ve run fine originally. Danke to Guppy for letting me get this gorgeous condition rifle dirty, and a bonus shoutout to DocVoltron for making the ammo!
@@OG_Okie_98_sooners Not worried about that part. I just saw a lot of people assuming they were just bad rifles, so I wanted to clarify to keep them from drawing the wrong conclusions
“You don’t carry a suppressor because you can’t afford it. I don’t carry a suppressor because they don’t make threaded barrels for the Gewehr 71/84. We are not the same.”
The reincarnated trilobite blesses us with another great weekly video as always keep up the great work. You making videos inspired me to start creating my own version of this content.
thank you for these great videos...though i send my condolences for all the times you've had to put up with these ancient guns barely working half the time; still pieces of history tho!
It's a Kropatschek-style magazine. This means that the rifle uses a tubular magazine with an elevator to get the rounds into the chamber. The elevator only engages if the bolt is brought all the way back. If you don't, the elevator stays down, allowing you to load in more rounds. The elevator will go down if you thumb it down or you close the bolt and lock it. The little switch on the side which they flipped is to engage or disengage the elevator (magazine fed or single shot mode, if you will), one of the prime examples of rifle doctrine influencing firearm design
Yours is in much better shape than mine. The receiver has been blued at some point on mine and the magazine switch is frozen in place. Pretty neat gun though.
Watching yout videos has gotten my interest peeked in these early model bolt actions. Where they were all being made in a time when there inventors were tinkering with a bunch of different designs before a common consensus is formed on what just works. Like most bolt actions nowadays have a detachable box magazine and a mauser style action. But seeing rifles there developmental infancy with things like tubular magazines in this rifle or the lebel. Or the remington-keene that you showed a little bit a ago that loaded like you average pump shotgun just interests the hell outta me
I usually upload sometime on Saturday in the US. Will be without internet access most of the day, so had to get it out earlier in the day than I usually do
Not a smart move on your part to post this after what happened (Danzig 1889), and you didn't put a disclaimer anywhere. This is pretty tone-deaf. For next time if you're posting about a controversial weapon (the 71/84 is THE most controversial firearm right now) then I would issue a disclaimer in the comments or description. Otherwise it seems like you're trying to say something without openly saying it. (That it was okay for Soldaten to shoulder sling their rifles muzzle up during rain ).
with some of these old rifles, most actually, there's a magazine cutoff switch that allows for single-loading. I kinda wish you used that feature when it's there in most of the videos you do of these super old rifles. this one in particular is just a single-shot rifle with a Kropatschek tube magazine, similar to the Lebel in terms of design. I feel like it helps to show stuff like that with these old guns because a lot of how they work makes sense when you realize that way up into the late 1800s people were designing rifles with volley fire in mind, and that the magazines were seen as an emergency option, sort of like how some militaries still view full-auto.
@@gender_nihilism I show it sometimes, but I’m hesitant to show it for multiple reasons. First, I often only have exactly enough ammo to fill the magazine (this was one of those situations). Second, when I show it, many people seem to instantly assume it was a mandatory part of the manual of arms. I had multiple comments on the Irish SMLE video of people theorizing that the cutoff was an additional loading step added only to Irish rifles as a way to slow down followup shots to allow the English to outgun the Irish if needed.
@@gender_nihilism But I agree, mag cutoffs are important to understanding the purpose of magazines in the era before rapid loading. In most armies, the additional cost, complexity, and weight of a magazine was objectively not worth it without a magazine cutoff. The magazine would net you no real rate of fire advantage in extended engagements. However, being able to flip it on for a burst of rapid fire when needed would be quite useful. I just don’t think silent first person videos provide an effective way to explain that to people.
That’s deceptively difficult to quantify. Rarity as in “how many were made” might go to a Lee Navy special order factory sporter I haven’t managed to fix yet. Less than 1700 factory sporters were made, and only maybe a few hundred were special orders. The Union 25 I filmed was probably even more rare, with maybe only a few dozen of the late model 25s being made. Rarity as in “how many still exist” might go to the M1917 X-Force carbine. There are currently fewer than a dozen known surviving examples. I’m not sure how many Alofs magazines still exist, but it isn’t many. I also have a pretty rare Mannlicher 88/24 I need to film at some point. They may be more common than we think, but so little is actually known about the rifles I wouldn’t be surprised if people just weren’t aware of what they have.
@@cjanderic6181 That we know of. Last I knew, the list was up to seven. No way of knowing how many are tucked away in private collections or rusting away in attics
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarineapparently it's a reference to some comment on the Galil ARM video where someone was like "why didn't you put a disclaimer after what just happened (9/11), this is pretty tone-deaf"
Dear tenacious trilobite, Please stop firing at my home. The past few weeks the other fish have been panicking non stop. You killed my son. Sincerely, Joseph Fishingtons De Sush
Howdy friends, please do not assume the unreliability seen in the video is indicative of historical performance. The ammo is very difficult to perfectly replicate today. The rifles would’ve run fine originally.
Danke to Guppy for letting me get this gorgeous condition rifle dirty, and a bonus shoutout to DocVoltron for making the ammo!
danke lol
@@TenaciousTrilobite bro, we don't dog you. Just the fact you have one and are shooting it is good enough.
@@OG_Okie_98_sooners Not worried about that part. I just saw a lot of people assuming they were just bad rifles, so I wanted to clarify to keep them from drawing the wrong conclusions
i think it performed very well for a 100+ year old rifle.
Man these old rifles are beautiful
“You don’t carry a suppressor because you can’t afford it.
I don’t carry a suppressor because they don’t make threaded barrels for the Gewehr 71/84.
We are not the same.”
Cries in Californian
Do people really say that? lmao
@@jamesm6638 no its from a channel called vintage warfare
@@markarnold7499I was watching him and was like “ohhhhh so that’s what that comment was about” and came back to this video.
"The percussion will disorient the home invader..."
this guy out here firing every historical guns known to man
The German Lebel rifle.
Or should we say that the Lebel was the French Mauser 71/84 rifle?
@@egcarbone2410 The Lebelle came after? I didn't know that.
@@leonardomafrareina7634 1886 actually
I think- german kropatschek rifle😉
Is Lebel not Lebelle
Lebel fanboys in shambles
No we aren't
SACRE BLEU
Theres fanboys for a gun?
@@Boxscot49 yeah theyre called forgotten weapons superfans
Lebel femboys
I like this channel, cool guns and no misinformation
That disturbed ringing and the gunfire in the background gave this an interesting vibe
The reincarnated trilobite blesses us with another great weekly video as always keep up the great work. You making videos inspired me to start creating my own version of this content.
Another black powder bolt action rifle from Trilobite. We have been blessed
This rifle for sure seen a better days
No, it has a tubular magazine. You have to hold it a bit upwards to chamber the next round from the magazine...
it's over 130 years old. that it works at all is indicative of it's quality.
thank you for these great videos...though i send my condolences for all the times you've had to put up with these ancient guns barely working half the time; still pieces of history tho!
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Guten tag!! Oh wait...
Is the elevator ramp sticky on this example? Or is that pretty normal?
they're just old rifles and the mechanism is stiff whenever you switch to the magazine of the rifle.
Known issue, the bolt must be cycled with intention to get the ramp to work. Definitely got worse as they aged (rifle is 100+ years old)
It's a Kropatschek-style magazine. This means that the rifle uses a tubular magazine with an elevator to get the rounds into the chamber. The elevator only engages if the bolt is brought all the way back. If you don't, the elevator stays down, allowing you to load in more rounds. The elevator will go down if you thumb it down or you close the bolt and lock it. The little switch on the side which they flipped is to engage or disengage the elevator (magazine fed or single shot mode, if you will), one of the prime examples of rifle doctrine influencing firearm design
@@RandomguysUsername I’m familiar with the system, I own a Lebel. Just noticed that the ramp is noticeably sticky compared to the ramp on my Lebel.
Nostalgie
That bolt action goes crazy after all that years
The Gewehr 71/84 is a very fun gun on the video game, Isonzo.
Tolles Gewehr
Yours is in much better shape than mine. The receiver has been blued at some point on mine and the magazine switch is frozen in place. Pretty neat gun though.
you're not continuing the left hand pen watermark thing?
@@rasdread0989 The pond videos were all filmed a couple months ago. Will take most of the rest of the year to clear that backlog
Great Video
Watching yout videos has gotten my interest peeked in these early model bolt actions. Where they were all being made in a time when there inventors were tinkering with a bunch of different designs before a common consensus is formed on what just works. Like most bolt actions nowadays have a detachable box magazine and a mauser style action. But seeing rifles there developmental infancy with things like tubular magazines in this rifle or the lebel. Or the remington-keene that you showed a little bit a ago that loaded like you average pump shotgun just interests the hell outta me
It's like a black powder LEBEL !
The fish: INCOMING!!
What did the fish do to you
How could this gun easily get malfunction compared to Lebel rifle?
Sooo, this is basically just a Mauser 1871, but with a magazine tube?
@@WW1Fanatic Yes
@@TenaciousTrilobite and uhhh, this is what the French based the Lebel off?
@@WW1Fanatic No, they were both using the Kropatschek system, which was created by an Austrian in the late 1870s
@@TenaciousTrilobite ohhh, okay, I see
I noticed a lot of your newer vids take place on this range with other folks
Es de calibre 11milimetros , con deposito tubular para 8 municiones .
Es preciso ???
Патраны на чёрном дымном порохе?
Yes
11mm?
@@map3384Yes
at first i thought it was a fucked up looking mosin and only when he started loading the rounds i realized it's a mauser rifle
Whats that little hole under the sight for?
por eso es importante darle mantenimiento adecuado y constante a las armas
esta usando municiones artesanales ya que no se fabrican.
Is it common for tube magazine bolt actions to not load properly? I noticed it with a lot of bolt actions with tube mags, the round not loading.
Partly just that the rifle is old
Not a bad thing but you uploading quite early (where im from, its saturday rn and you usally upload on sunday)
I usually upload sometime on Saturday in the US. Will be without internet access most of the day, so had to get it out earlier in the day than I usually do
Y'know, you can set videos go "live" at certain points long after uploading.
RUclips 101, bro.
@@Xathos I know. I don’t want to.
@TenaciousTrilobite Talking to clueless guy, bro.
Wow, those are intimidating bullets!
What was causing the reload problems? A weak spring under the tray?
There is no spring. You really have to yank that bolt back like you mean it to cam the lifter up! Plus age.
Wait germans had tube feed bolt action before lebel m1886 ?
@@DobryZiomek27 Yes, and the French did too
wait till this guy hears about vetterli
@@rgbgamingfridge vetterli ah this is side loaded like winchesters
I know this but don't count as lebel type rifle
@@DobryZiomek27 he didnt specify it had to be spoonfed, only tube and bolt action but wait till he hears about kropatschek in that case
@@rgbgamingfridge what came first
Winchester or swiss vetterli ?
Did you catch any fish?
The M16 precursor
Рыбалка из маузера? Караси такого точно не ожидают.
Gewehr 88 plsss
He doesn't have one yet. I filmed a video with one of mine but it got partially corrupted and I haven't posted it yet.
the fishes loves this guy 😄
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What caliber? And price per round?
43 Mauser. The ammo are reloads so the price technically lowers every time you fire them. It is not cheap to shoot.
Fish in this pond do not have an easy life.
Not a smart move on your part to post this after what happened (Danzig 1889), and you didn't put a disclaimer anywhere. This is pretty tone-deaf. For next time if you're posting about a controversial weapon (the 71/84 is THE most controversial firearm right now) then I would issue a disclaimer in the comments or description. Otherwise it seems like you're trying to say something without openly saying it. (That it was okay for Soldaten to shoulder sling their rifles muzzle up during rain ).
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so it's basically a bolt action shotgun?
Nah, it still uses rifle rounds. Tube magazines had been around longer than box magazines, so militaries tended to trust them more
Mauser Geha is a bolt-action shotgun
with some of these old rifles, most actually, there's a magazine cutoff switch that allows for single-loading. I kinda wish you used that feature when it's there in most of the videos you do of these super old rifles. this one in particular is just a single-shot rifle with a Kropatschek tube magazine, similar to the Lebel in terms of design. I feel like it helps to show stuff like that with these old guns because a lot of how they work makes sense when you realize that way up into the late 1800s people were designing rifles with volley fire in mind, and that the magazines were seen as an emergency option, sort of like how some militaries still view full-auto.
@@gender_nihilism I show it sometimes, but I’m hesitant to show it for multiple reasons. First, I often only have exactly enough ammo to fill the magazine (this was one of those situations). Second, when I show it, many people seem to instantly assume it was a mandatory part of the manual of arms. I had multiple comments on the Irish SMLE video of people theorizing that the cutoff was an additional loading step added only to Irish rifles as a way to slow down followup shots to allow the English to outgun the Irish if needed.
@@gender_nihilism But I agree, mag cutoffs are important to understanding the purpose of magazines in the era before rapid loading. In most armies, the additional cost, complexity, and weight of a magazine was objectively not worth it without a magazine cutoff. The magazine would net you no real rate of fire advantage in extended engagements. However, being able to flip it on for a burst of rapid fire when needed would be quite useful. I just don’t think silent first person videos provide an effective way to explain that to people.
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fish think:
wha tha fuk?
How sorrowfully the world war rifles trading on the market without the promotion of the bayonets
What’s the rarest gun you have?
That’s deceptively difficult to quantify.
Rarity as in “how many were made” might go to a Lee Navy special order factory sporter I haven’t managed to fix yet. Less than 1700 factory sporters were made, and only maybe a few hundred were special orders. The Union 25 I filmed was probably even more rare, with maybe only a few dozen of the late model 25s being made.
Rarity as in “how many still exist” might go to the M1917 X-Force carbine. There are currently fewer than a dozen known surviving examples. I’m not sure how many Alofs magazines still exist, but it isn’t many. I also have a pretty rare Mannlicher 88/24 I need to film at some point. They may be more common than we think, but so little is actually known about the rifles I wouldn’t be surprised if people just weren’t aware of what they have.
@@TenaciousTrilobite only a fewer than a dozen m1917 X-force carbines left?
@@cjanderic6181 That we know of. Last I knew, the list was up to seven. No way of knowing how many are tucked away in private collections or rusting away in attics
@@TenaciousTrilobite who would leave such a rare gun rusting in an attic!?
@@cjanderic6181 A lot of people inherit things and have no idea what they are
Piss poor feed mechanism but I'll give it a pass considering the fact that it is 150 freaking years old !
Where did your rounds go aft😅er d😅efecting off the water?
@@sasquatchsmith9980 Into uninhabited privately owned land
thro som oeil for the woppen
Bro just stop already, you have wiped out most of the pond's fish population 😭😭🙏🙏
mf loaded in artillery rounds dammnn
Don't to redownload Battlefield 1
is this proof that tube fed rifles were quite horrible
No, see pinned comment
@@TenaciousTrilobite I was on a rush to do...something, so thanks, nerd 🤓
Had to be kind of mean with her, didn't ya?
A bit. Ammo for these is difficult to make today, so they don't always run perfectly
The dilemma of a old Kropatschek type rifles, you wanna baby them bc of their age but you need to yank the bolt back to make them feed
Снова нет ремня на винтовке ((
That cartridge lifter is incredibly lazy
Pretty sure this is after josef schullhof callled Mauser off by making his tube fed/rotary magazine rifles
いいなこれ、ジャムるのも乙
Sweet old gun. But not liking miss firing.😮
Ammo is very difficult to make for these, so the end product is less than ideal for the rifle’s function
Not a smart move on your part to post this after what happened, and you didn't put a disclaimer anywhere. This is pretty tone-deaf.
?
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarineapparently it's a reference to some comment on the Galil ARM video where someone was like "why didn't you put a disclaimer after what just happened (9/11), this is pretty tone-deaf"
Dear tenacious trilobite,
Please stop firing at my home. The past few weeks the other fish have been panicking non stop. You killed my son.
Sincerely, Joseph Fishingtons De Sush
Bruh if this is combat you be dead
.... what campaigns have you fought in again?
@@Gunsbeerfreedom87 Bruh that rife reload bug out man better off using an AK or M700
@@SloppyPossydo you know when 1884 was?
@@Gunsbeerfreedom87 I was a molecule in a rice cell =]
I swear internet access should be 18+
Pas fiable du tout cette merde ça vaut pas le lebel
Плохая винтовка , и много движений и отказов , а каналу лайк хороший и познавательный, уважение