Dodgers & Orioles WANT Tarik Skubal! Will Detroit Do It? What Would The Trade Package Be?
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- The Los Angeles Dodgers and Baltimore Orioles BOTH want Tarik Skubal...will they be able to land him?
#dodgers #orioles #tarikskubal #mlbtraderumors
The package for skubal from the orioles is laughable. There is a 0% chance the orioles get Skubal without giving up Holliday.
Laughable is a bit overblown. The Os have the best farm system in the league, and it isn’t close. Just because they don’t give up their best prospect doesn’t mean it isn’t a great deal. They have plenty of prospects under Holliday that are better than the best prospects most teams have, period.
@@FraksureX
Not impressed, Fu*k them prospects, keep Skubal 💪🏾
0%...... Until you consider its the Tigers.
@@FraksureX if the deal for skubal doesn’t include Holliday or Mayo and some combination of others it’s an underpay. Y’all act like it’s some guarantee that these guys will be good. It’s not. Elite prospects end up not being good all the time. For top end talent like skubal, with control, you have to give up top tier prospects. It’s that simple.
@@rjbutler2474 You don't make any sense. You are saying elite prospects are not guaranteed to be good yet you say Orioles will have to give up a Holliday Or Mayo ( elite prospects ) to get Skubal. Basallo is top 10 mlb prospect and Cowser is a young proven mlb player along with Johnson who is MLB ready is a lot to get Skubal. Orioles are NOT sending Holliday anywhere nor for anyone period
Those are both awful trade packages. Detroit says no to both and hangs up the phone.
.... except that they are Detroit, so they could very well accept.
@@johnboehmer6683 …. lol maybe last GM. Hopefully the new guy knows what he’s doing.
As a Tigers fan I would only be ok with trading Skubal if the package includes Holliday and either Mayo or Basallo. You have to get 2 of the O’s top 3 prospects. The Tigers are the ones with all the leverage and the Dodgers being involved could help drive the price up.
That's the thing that drives me absolutely nuts about what the Tigers have done over the last 10 years at trade deadlines. The sellers absolutely do have the upper hand in having nothing to lose, yet somehow we have been fleeced in virtually giving away a full All-Star team in that time. Avila was a one-man wrecking crew, and the new regime isn't starting off much better.
The Tigers have practically given away AN ALL-STAR TEAM worth of talent at trade deadlines over the last 11 years, it has been absolutely brutal to be a tiger fan since Dombrowski left!
Tigers - please, PLEASE don't do it to us again!
@@johnboehmer6683 go cry about it. It's happening again. If you don't understand why they have to do it then quit watching baseball
As a die hard Tigers fan, I really don’t wanna lose this guy!! I would love to build around him and Riley Greene
if the tigers trade skubal I won't spend another dime on them until Chris Illitch decides he wants to win. we should be offering him a long term contract
@@ddeleckijr I will always watch cuz I’m just too diehard of a fan not to, but I will be very upset. He NEEDS to be extend along with Riley Greene
Illitch is not paying him $400 million. Trade him! As a Tigers fan, please trade him!
@@Lovemywife4 I’d give him a 6 year 250 million
@@MonteMD 6 year $250M? What are you smoking?
If the Orioles trade for Skubal I will lose my mind... But in all honesty I hope the Tigers don't trade him,.. and I think if the Tigers stay hot there is a possibility they don't sell
🤣🤣🤣 Tigers ain't making the postseason Skubal is on the market
@@Mr1stcat says who?
Skubal would be a no brainer for the Orioles.
I will lose my shit if the Tigers do this. Awful idea! For the love of God don’t do it!
@caveman3096 awful idea? Lmao you'll be the first to complain when Skubal walks in two years for NOTHING. This team is still probably 2 years away at a minimum. Skubal is the ONLY player the Tigers have that can be traded to get elite talent back.
If I’m the Tigers any deal with the O’s must include Jackson Holiday
I doubt tigers move him unless they get the exact prospects they want.
Orioles would have to give up a heck of a lot to get Skubal. I feel like Crochet is more realistic.
It makes no sense to trade crochet he can’t help this year. He is going to hit his innings limit
I am a Tigers fan and I am getting tired of being a minor league system for the major league. You cannot guarantee that the guys you get in return will perform. The only time that has actually worked was Miggy.
THANK YOU. If you have established talent, you don't piss it away for maybes. Especially if you have no eye for talent, and come away with nothing, as we have for the last 10 years.
@@johnboehmer6683okay, then you talk The Tigers into outbidding all the other teams in the offseason between 26-27. That’s what it will take, because as Boros client, he will not be signing an extension before free agency. If Skubal stays healthy, which as a Tiger fan you would hope he does, you’re looking at minimum of 40-45 mil a year for 5-6 years. Do you think the Tigers what to or can pay that? I don’t. Also, do you really think Detroit is a championship contender in the next two seasons. I don’t. Therefore that’s way you trade Skubal now, as his value cannot get much higher then it is right now. I’m not saying trade him for any offer, but if they can get what they deem is fair or even better, you have to do it. The Tigers real window opens when the 2023 draft class arrives, probably in 2027.
@@DennisK-q9g
The balance to what you're saying is that a team will never get over the hump getting rid of every exceptionally talented young player they have cuz he's gonna cost. We've given away a veritable all-star team for picks and prospects in the last 10 years, howz that worked out for us? You don't throw away the bird in hand for 2 in the bush...that you can't even really see no less...
You nailed it - the Tigers "don't want to pay it," that's the problem. Too cheap, they'd rather just keep kicking the can down the road instead of committing to quality, which costs.
You can pull Tarik from my cold dead hands. Cmon seriously I just bought his jersey.
Well he's gone in two years anyways so get used to it
I appreciate how you break down trade values like GM’s do. These tiger fans and sites who think the O’s have to trade Holiday, mayo and bassello are insane. How quickly people forget Skubals injury history(pitching elbow) over the last 2 years.
I’m a Tiger fan, and I’d say no way do they have give up all three, but Baltimore fans have to admit to giving up at least one, or Detroit isn’t going to be interested. You don’t give up a Cy Young contender with 2 1/2 years of control without getting a top 20 overall prospect. If you can’t see that, then you’re going to be really disappointed. By the way, if you’re worried about his past injuries, then don’t ask about him, because the Tigers aren’t giving any discounts because of it.
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Gotta think it will take two top ten arms plus a catcher and another bat to get Skubal. A team would have to overpay to get two years of a cost controlled ace.
The Tigers traded Verlander for three prospects. It didn't work. Both offers are laughable.
Bobby miller you are a tiger!
Nope, the Dodgers don’t have the top end SS or 3B prospect that will be the key headliner that will need to come Detroit’s way. Detroit isn’t looking for just any prospects anymore, they have rebuilt their system, they are looking for a SS or true 3B to fill the holes that might still remain n their system.
57 yr old lifelong Orioles fan here. If Baltimore doesn't make a trade for Skubal were done. All this Burnes free agency would be for not. Even with Burnes we would get eliminated in the first round by himself.... Skubal in our lineup, another story...
What do great prospects or players do for you if you can't pitch? Not much! What you have proposed, I would be happy to do it and even another player if need be. Yes, we are desperate, but hopeful!!
Are you willing to trade Holliday the catcher & another prospect?
Holliday for sure@@markpajot9691
@@markpajot9691Absolutely and then some for Skubal!!!!
Don’t get your hopes up, old timer! But go O’s!
You not getting skubal....
Detroit don't even pick up the phone for those oriole packages. That dodger package is even worse
Skubal is a legit dominant LH Ace with multiple years of team control still. If Baltimore wants him the return package has to START with Colby Mayo.
Basallo is a more valuable prospects. He's further away, but he's a top 10 prospect in baseball.
mayo and holliday and more
@brandondillman5841 we have a good catcher prospect in the minors in Dingler. It has to be Holliday and Mayo
@@aic8001 then they can keep Skubal. lol. No team would ever give up that much for a pitcher with a history of arm issues who's never even thrown 150+ innings in any season. It would be moronic.
@@brandondillman5841yes, but he is going to end up at first base, as Basallo does not look like a catcher long term. The same position where half of our prospects should be playing. You got Keith, who is likely to end up there when McGongile arrives at 2B, and Jace Jung is looking like a 1B who is attempting to play 3rd. Actually, when I think about it, Holliday should be the target, as Mayo doesn’t look like a long term 3B and will also end up at 1B.
The Birds cannot fail with the Machine they have built. Thank GOD for new managment!!
Padres had a monster farm in 2019. Number 1 farm and like 7-8 top 100 prospects. Then kept that farm loaded when they turned the corner with CJ Abrams, Robert Hassell, Luis Campusano, Mackenzie Gore, James Wood, Jackson Merrill, Esteury Ruiz, Eguy Rosario, Robert Gasser, and Jarlin Susana… and by 2023 they had a $256M payroll and missed the playoffs. Now they’re a .500 team who are getting worse and have a mid-tier farm (though mostly because Merrill just graduated from a prospect).
You can absolutely have a machine and fail. The fans that want the team to go “all in” need to need to realize that Elias didn’t build this franchise up from the gutter to risk it all for 1 WS. He wants a window where the team is perpetually a contender and a WS favorite. That means not going over his deemed value in FA signings (Burnes will not be returning), drafting according to their models (no Brecht) and not trading away prospects that could jeopardize the future of the team. Maybe he pulls the trigger on these deals, but if he doesn’t I wouldn’t be shocked.
Those trade packages are horrible
Birds need to part with the 24 yo talent at 3A.
Deal Coby Mayo instead of Basallo, along with Kjerstad (not Cowser) and Johnson.
19 yo talents like Basallo are golden unicorns.
But yeah I'd do it for Skubal.
Then go get Mason Miller, they have more talent than those we have talked about.
...and yes Jackson Holliday is available for the right deal.
What is a AAA championship worth?
Not much.
Scott Harris is 100% not trading Skubal....end of story people
If the Tigers had traded Cabrera right after the triple crown, they'd have gotten two boatloads for him and would not be in the shape that they are now. So, if you can get at least a boatload and a half for Skubal, do it
It's the right move to trade him, if Baltimore gives us Holliday & that catcher possibly another prospect
Doubtful, but the Tigers should listen to all offers.
No, not really. Because there is no rush to trade him with two more controllable years and on his contact. It would shock me if any trade happens that doesn’t include a top 20ish prospect from someone. So if someone calls that doesn’t have one, there is no reason to waste each other’s time.
Mayo, Kerstad, and Povich for Skubal. Those of you who said no deal unless Holliday is involved, well, I hate to inform you, but Baltimore is not trading Holliday.....period... I believe the package I mentioned is a haul and certainly good enough.
As an Orioles fan I would make this trade everyday. The thing with pitchers is that they are a ticking time bomb injury wise as nearly every team in the league has seen the past 3 years. Also, pitchers only help your team once every 5 games. For this reason no trade package will include Holliday, period as a #1 overall pick and top 3 prospect in all of MLB. If that asking price is higher then this, the O's can look elsewhere, get a slightly less talented pitcher, but also give up a whole hell of a lot less meaning no Basallo in a deal.
Yeah as soon as you pay a big price for a pitcher you only have him for 6 months before he comes up needing Tommy John Surgery.
@@rwthomSo true. But the bitch of the situation is it is really hard to win a playoff series without three good pitchers. Do you want to try to win the World Series or not? That’s the gamble the Orioles have to take, gamble on health or gamble on a weaker rotation in the playoffs. Yes, there are other pitchers that might be a #3 starter, hell the Tigers have Flaherty who could be that, but is Rodriquez good enough to be a #2 in the playoffs? Those are the hard decisions the Os have to made, because Skubal is not coming without Holliday or Mayo as the headliner. We will soon all see. Good luck Orioles fans, we share a hatred of the Yankees, and I hope you guys hold on.
Skubal’s had TJ in 2016 and another major arm surgery years after in 2022. His value is as high as it’s gonna be now. One more TJ he’s probably done like Buehler and other 2nd TJ guys. So he’s sort of on his last life regarding injuries. Tigers would be smart to get a haul back before the inevitable happens for the flame thrower. Pitchers break easily as you see across the league. Even the great ones. The recovery rate for pitchers with two TJ surgeries are not good. Sure he has multiple years of control but if the Tigers keep him and down the line he gets surgery again isn’t the same like Buehler then they will have missed their chance to get a haul. Now is the time to cash in on him when he is strong healthy and top contenders are desperate for him. Especially with the lack of pitching at the deadline
...except no one is offering anything near a haul, and it's becoming more common for pitchers to work through major injuries now.
@@johnboehmer6683Jacob deGroom came back from his 2nd still throwing around a 100 mph. I should note he blew out his arm again, and is now working his way back from his 3rd TJ. TJ isn’t quite as bad as it used to be to be, most pitches come back throwing harder, as Skubal has. Buehler is a sad case so far, hopefully he can make it back.
You need to qualify what a haul is. To me a haul is getting a top 25 prospect as the headliner of the deal. If to you a haul is a top 50 guy with 3-4 “lottery ticket” prospects thrown in, then I disagree. One prospect with a good chance to make as a regular isn’t worth a Cy Young contender, even if he blows out his arm next season.
@@DennisK-q9g Mayo, Bassalo then some filler prospects
As an Os fan I do that trade all day. We keep Kjerstad, Mayo, McDermott, and Holiday??
And Norby
LETS GO DODGERS!!!
Orioles fan. I have been one of those guys that says Basallo is untouchable. However, that has been in some of the discussions for guys that are lesser talents than Skubal. If this were the package for Skubal, I'd be totally fine with this package. The one guy I'm not trading is Mayo, so I'm good here
Agreed, the only thing I'd be worried about is moving Cowser or Kjerstad because they have great team chemistry with those 2 and the rest of the young guys in Baltimore. If there's a way they could trade Norby and Bradfield instead of Cowser or Kjerstad I'd do that. But, it makes sense the Tigers would rather have Cowser or Kjerstad.
Me too in a heartbeat. Cowser can be replaced in a second and Basillo won't be up for years and I really think this is the best year because of having Burnes and the one two punch of Skubal and Corbin then throw in Rodriguez be scary good!!
@@keithcurtiss1217 the only reason I'd be hesitant is the alarming rate at which pitchers arms are blowing out nowadays. TJ takes a pitcher out for 2 years and Skubal already has a history of arm injuries.
Mayo should be part of the trade or no deal.
That Baltimore trade u suggested isn't even.close ..Holliday, bassillo or mayo and a pitcher..quite frankly the orioles need this trade more than the tigers do
Jim as an orioles fan I would rather send Holliday McDermott Fabian beavers and horvath for skubal still matches up 100 for skubal around 113 for the orioles package
I think a trade of Jackson Holliday including package is more likely than Basallo. But at the end of the day, yes I would trade Cowser, Basallo, and Johnson for multiple years of Skubal. The O's have OF depth and there are questions if Basallo will remain a Catcher going forward. That's his value. Great bat, but the O's don't have room for him at 1B/DH right now. Holliday is a natural SS and isn't playing there in Baltimore. You still have Westburg and Mayo who can be your 2B/3B combo if you traded Holliday.
Bottom line, its time to move the prospect capital, and get the arms. They've been talking about it for years. It started with Burnes, continue it with Skubal and also get Tanner Scott.
Tigers fan here. I’d do the Dodgers deal asap but I’d want Holliday from Baltimore no matter what.
dont rlly see detroit wanting outman, i think an interesting name especially since in this scenario la gets back a starter is bobby miller after sturggling with some injuries and on field success this year. only 2-3 years younger than skubal but is definitely mlb ready even with his mlb struggles this year, as detroit seems to want more mlb ready talent. could take out outman and ryan and swap miller in for that deal
I think the tigers would love Flaherty but not Skubal
As a Tiger fan i will be DONE with them if Skubal is traded DONE. Go spend some money and get a few guys like MIKE DID!
The Baltimore trade no, Jackson holidays got to be part of that trade deal, it’s gonna take a lot of prospects get Tarik skubal The trade is going to be like Juan Soto it’s gonna take a lot I am saying as a tigers fan
Realistic package would be Outman, Bobby Miller, Wrobleski, and like a River Ryan. De paula and rushing are off limits as of now
I love it when fans want to trade for a really good player, but then say, (insert prospect name) is off limits. You could add DePaula and Rushing into a trade for Skubal, and the Tigers would still say “no thanks”. Neither is ranked that high on national publications top 100 lists. Fans always over rate their team’s prospects, and think they should be untouchable. I believe the Tigers will want a top prospect to head a trade, like top 10 overall, I believe they will ask for Holliday (1), but settle for Basallo (12) as the head liner. Not a guy ranked no higher than in the 40s, like Rushing. We are talking about a young Cy Young contender, but you want to give up a bunch of guys that are not performing, good luck with that.
Rushing isn't off limits. They just gave an extension to Will Smith. Freeman is at first.
No one wants Outman right now. Not even the A's
I cannot believe they move him. He is locked up for 2 more years. KEEP HIM in Detroit.
There's no trade package worth the best pitcher in baseball at only 27 under team control till 2027. No way Detroit trades Skubal unless completely blown away with a package.
As a GM you do everything you can to try and land 1 Skubal in your career I can't imagine if one is gifted to you that you'd trade it.
If we must, my Orioles, I’d rather trade Mayo and Norbert or Stowers and if we had to, Cowser and Kjerstadt is a toss up. I want Marcus Miller AND. Paul Blackburn
Skubal and Torkelson for 2-3 of the Orioles tip-top prospects.
I see Tarik Skubal as the Cy Young winner in AL. If it is the price that Orioles have to pay to get Skubal, I would not hesitate to make the trade. Yes: It is always risky to trade 1 player for 3 players but this is a great opportunity. I prefer Skubal over Garret Crochet.
Let's suppose that Orioles get Skubal, the team could look for another pitcher like Erick Fedde or a little bit better pitcher (maybe Texas Rangers could be the answer) because Dean Kremer does not guarantee anything for being a playoff pitcher.
Maybe Tiger could ask for Jackson Holliday...welll. let's see!
Tigers won't trade him. Avila would've, Harris won't. Harris will build around him because he's smarter than Avila.
The Tigers do not won't Outman.
I agree but imo he’s the “throw in” in that deal. You could almost make the case he doesn’t even need to be in it to do the trade. I’m high on Rushing though..
Let's go Dodgers, we gotta load up. Too many injuries
Dodgers don't have enough to get Skubal
I do think a like the dodgers package better. Really like De Paula. Like the O’s guys too. I still would start with Holliday .
Not unless they get Jackson Holliday and several others the answer is NO!
Just remember that the Dodgers were in an agreement with the Tigers for eduardo Rodriguez but he vetoed it
If I were the Orioles, I would think about Holliday-plus for Skubal. That's how good he is. Thank goodness I'm not the Orioles GM.
it would take that entire deal plus Holliday for me not to cover up or burn off my Tigers tattoo... there is no excuse for the tigers to operate like the Oakland A's
@@ddeleckijr I think it's more about teams valuing position players more than pitchers nowadays. At the rate pitchers are blowing out their arms, it's not crazy to trade high on a guy like Skubal, who already has a history of arm issues and has never even pitched 150+ innings in any season of his career yet.
@brandondillman5841 that's why the tigers don't do the deal. what did we get for Verlander, JD Martinez, Upton and others? nothing. what did we give up when we traded for miggy? nothing... 80% or so of the time the prospects wash out.
@@ddeleckijr The Tigers also didn't get any top prospects for JV, who had a high salary and wasn't aging well at the time. This would be more comparable to the Chris Sale trade between the Red Sox and White Sox where the Red Sox gave up a top 10 prospect and top 20 prospect in baseball for Sale.
Without Holliday no!
To get SKUBAL YOU HAVE TO GET HOLIDAY JUST TO START TALKING.
How? They have 4 of the top 20 prospects in baseball not including Cowser. Chris Sale was a much more valuable pitcher when he was traded to the Red Sox and they only had to give up 1 top prospect to get him.
I would do that trade in a heartbeat if I were the Orioles. Yiu still keep Mayo, Holliday, and Kjerstad.
If the tigers trade skubal I'm no longer a tigers fan period....
I would give Basallo, Johnson (although I prefer to give a different pitcher), and someone other than Cowser. Cowser is already part of the O's team now and while he is in a bit of a slump, he's played great overall. Also no to Kjerstad. Both Cowser and Kjerstad are part of the O's now and in the future.
Tigers could have Enrique Bradfield Jr. or Dylan Beavers.
O's got Zack Elfin so they don't need him now.
Any deal with the Orioles should START with Coby Mayo or no deal
As a tigers fan, I’d only do it if you gave me Cowser, Basallo, Mayo, Norby, and McDermott
Dylan McDermott or Dermot Mulroney?
Hahahaha😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂put the weed down.
i'm not trading skubal unless i get your top 2 prospects...plus 3 others....we have for 2 more years,,,,build your team around him.......how did that work for the verlander trade....hmm....could had him, sign schrezer..maybe a world series? who knows....
Only way tigers trade skubal is for jackson holliday 😂😂
once again what the Orioles are apparently required to trade is way up over what other teams are required to trade simply because they have it. Just nonsense. Cowser and Basallo or Outman and Rushing? lol unserious.
Actually very feasible, Cowser can be replaced in a heartbeat and Bassillo won't see the light of day for years. Win now while you have the arms.
Even more than Outman and Rushing. Probably River Ryan and De Paulo also. At least. Its going to hurt. They don't need to trade him. They'll want a haul.
I just saw the trade proposal. I was right. Thats the minimum 😂
@@sonnyferrari8258 k they can enjoy two 70 win seasons w him and then lose him, heard same nonsense re Cease
He's way better than Cease. It's going to be a lot. IF he gets traded at all
on the dodgers package, i would replace josue with another piece or two. Outman is ok but nothing that can't be replaced. Rushing is blocked for the next decade so might as well trade him for something good. River Ryan is doing well in the minors but who knows how he will translate in the MLB. But for a win now team, a trade for a player like skubal is exactly what needs to be done. don't need to trade for any mid players or rentals.
@@ranmatendo7793 I'd rather trade Cartaya then Rushing
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Tarik Skubal isn't on the market, If either the Dodgers or the Orioles want him. They'll have to surrender pieces that they won't want to give up.
CAP ...u must not know how deep the orioles farm system is
@@marksreviews2.080 I know it's deep, He's going to cost the orioles at least 2 of their top 3 best pieces if not even more.
@garyvandecar2580 I truly don't believe that ....mayo holiday are untouchable....basilo and cowser will get u skub! ...and they still keep all their top pieces.....IMO...but will see what happens
It would have to be at least 3 prospects. Two isn’t enough. I’d have to get Holiday. Not sure I want a catcher with Dingler hitting. Sadly he is injury prone. Just not sure who I want.
@@marksreviews2.080that is an absolute fantasy. Lol, delusion
I don't think Skubal is going anywhere but I think the only reason why Tigers would even consider trading him would be the fact that he's already had two TJ. I don't think Mike Elias is gonna trade Holliday, Basallo or Mayo for Skubal, Mason Miller or anyone else. But he should be open to trade anyone else in the system plus guys like Cowser, Kjerstad, Mullins or Hays.
Take silent j off that list. The Orioles would be crazy to trade Kjearstad what's the possibility / probability that they may lose Santander and or o'hern
@@joshuablevins4340 If they can't even afford Tony Taters or O'Hearn then what good is having a new owner? Elias has said recently that the new ownership has greenlighted an increase in payroll so we shall see. I would much rather trade Kjerstad who's already 25 than either Mayo or Basallo to get more pitching which is desperately needed not only for this season but next season as well. You can't get something for nothing unless Rubenstein is willing to open his wallet for 4 or 5 more seasons of Burnes in Baltimore. O's don't draft pitchers high so there are only two ways to get top notch pitching, either spend more money or trade.
@CamKrazy2000 do you want to pay Santander or save the money and just plug Kjerstad into his spot.
Why pay a guy 10 million a year when you have the same guy still on his rookie contract.
Plus Kjerstad will hit .300 instead of .230
@@vaughnjb LOL Cowser was great for a month and now he is just about the worst hitter on the team, especially with RISP. How many big league ABs has Kjerstad had?? And he's another LH bat, do you know for sure he can hit lefties at this level??? So NO, he's not the SAME guy as Tony Taters.
Skubal isn’t going anywhere unless the Tigers get an offer that blows them away. I don’t think the Orioles or Dodgers need him bad enough to put a dent in their farms.
As a Dodgers fan , I would pass on this trade
Skubal is staying in Detroit.... period STOP......
If I am the o's I do a three team trade. Send Holliday and Seth Johnson to the tiger's. Then norby Jud and a low level pitcher to the Angels for Tyler Anderson and their closer. Plus Detroit sends a prospect to the angels. That or max and Roberson from TX for the same package though TX sends a prospect back to Detroit.
Build around Hendo, Adley and Mayo. Theu should trade Holliday with Kjetstad or Basallo and another piece for Skubal.
H#ll NO don't touch Kjetstad!!!! He's the only up and coming real young power hitter I trust besides Gunnar
@ronniemartin5088 Ya I get that. But my thinking is keeping a core together. That's gonna be nearly impossible after Adley, Gunnar and a 3rd (Lets say Skubal) get paid.
Orioles have better prospects but the Dodgers are more financially flexible. If any deal is made it is more likely the Dodgers pulling the trigger.
I don't see either team doing anything. Dodgers have more cushion and the Orioles will go in a another cheaper direction for help.
Skubal isn't expensive though. And the O's just got a new ownership group that's insanely wealthy. Money shouldn't be an issue.
Instead of outman you send pages would work
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The Dodgers always hype their players.
The Dodgers don't make the rankings for the minor leaguers.
Like Jackson Holiday?
@@EstebanC-fx9vs He is the real deal.
I know it isn't a selling video, but And I Will just say it. My giants need to sell at the deadline
It's amazing how Jim, like so many others on RUclips, is quick to insist that the Orioles have no chance to re-sign Corbin Burnes. Please, how do you know that?! Unless you've been living under a rock this year, you must know that the team has new ownership with more money to spend than the Angelos family did. Who's to say that the O's "Next Chapter" doesn't include a new approach more willing to step up to the plate occasionally and go after elite players & offer extensions to young phenoms? IMHO they'd be stupid not to, especially as this is supposed to be a club that will be very good for quite a few years. _Strike the iron while it's hot!_
Orioles have more money but not Scott Boras type of money. Orioles are at best a mid market team. Not high end market like the Dodgers or Yankees and not low end like Tampa bay or Kansas city.
@@wraynephew6838not sure how that matters. They have their own network and one of the richest owners in baseball
That trade suggestion is outrageous and the Orioles better not do it. The only pitcher on the market worth any prospects for us is Mason Miller because he’s under control till 2030 and he’s ridiculous. We are a young team that doesn’t need to be in win now mode. We just need to sign Burnes and that’s it. If we do, next year, going into October, our 4 man rotation would be Burnes, Bradish, Means and Rodriguez and you’d have Miller and Bautista as the back of your bullpen with Bautista being a 6 out save guy all day. Then your position players are Holliday, Mayo, Norby, Basallo, Stowers, Hays, Mullins, Santander, O’Hearn, Mountcastle, Henderson, Rutschman, Kjerstad, Cowser, Westburg. That’s 15 guys that can turn a good pitch they’re looking for into a souvenir and a mistake just the same. And a lead after 6 is all but guaranteed to be a win with those two, that would be the best 1-2 relief punch I’ve ever seen. That bullpen would win a few World Series behind this lineup and an above average rotation like our’s where are ace matches up with any ace, and then our 2-4 match up with any #2, but are head and shoulders above just about any 3-4 pitcher on any team. I’d let a couple guys go for Miller, that’s it though. I’d give up Bradfield Jr, and a few 1st/2nd round pick guys like Beavers, Horvath, Fabian. Hell, I’d overload it, I’d do all of those guys plus Povich and McDermott, and I’d be okay with Norby/Stowers being included as well. Norby, Stowers and Bradfield Jr for Miller is a really good deal for Oakland, and I’d be willing to kick in Hays, Mateo and Urias as well as Povich and McDermott in whatever combination to close the deal. All 6 of those positions players would likely be starting for Oakland right now with the exception of Bradfield who might need another year in the minors before the A’s could call him big league ready. And they’re all studs. Hays, Norby, Stowers all have video game minor league numbers, hays is a proven talent in the bigs and still very young, Stowers has been a near 300 hitter in a small sample size, and Norby’s first hit was a homer in a real small sample size. Those 3 guys could turn Oakland into a winning ball club because they already have some really great young players, but they’re missing that winner mentality, big league experience and polish. Ultimately, the bottom line is, they all have the potential to hit 285-300 in the show and they all have 20+ HR power, none of them are base cloggers, but Stowers and Hays have well above average base stealing speed. That’s 3 big league ready pieces with big upside potential for a team that has scored runs at the lowest rate in baseball this year. Not to mention Bradfield Jr who has all the makings of a top 50 prospect in all of MiLB as he progresses through the minors. And it’s all for a closer! A bullpen pitcher! A guy you see for 1 inning at a time, a few days a week, for guys that will not only be in their lineup, but they will fill out the top of half of it. The more I think about it, the more nervous it makes me because I feel like the A’s would become a winning team and it would be with half of their positions being occupied by Orioles. But Miller would turn us into a straight up World Series winner next year. Especially if the O’s go crazy this winter and sign Burnes and Fried. That pushes Wells, Suarez and Kremer to the bullpen with Miller, Bautista, Cano, Coulombe and Perez. With Burnes, Fried, Bradish, Means, Rodriguez as your rotation, this would be the most complete team in baseball. By a landslide. Dare I say, we would take a shot at Seattle’s regular season wins record.
First you only have 1 catcher in that group.......that's not happening.
Second you can only carry 13 position players, not 15.
6:03 the Dodgers sent Bobby Miller down to AAA
If Bal wants to win a WS this might be the move.
You’re not getting him.
Orioles fan here. 100%
Yeah they can have those 3, orioles need him
I think they may need Basallo more. Adlley hits better when he catches less. And the Orioles are going to need a second catcher next season and seasons beyond, and good catchers are not plentiful. In fact there aren't many of them in baseball.
As a lifelong Orioles fan, I'd move the three guys you listed for Skubal and be happy about it. Cowser is an okay outfielder who has had a lot of struggles this year and last. Basallo is very young and will likely be a star catcher but we have a star catcher already. Someone named Adley Rutschman if you haven't heard of him. I understand long-term availability of catchers isn't great, but we like Adley for his bat whether that be at catcher, first base or DH. Bradish isn't coming back until mid to late 2025 and he's not under contract for that year which leaves us with Grayson Rodriguez as the ace when Burnes leaves. Not an ideal top of the rotation guy right now imo. That plus the log jam of elite position players the Orioles have in their system with no path to playing in the league, that move makes perfect sense.
your insane
I WOULD ALSO CONSIDER VLADY GUERRERO CUZ HE A GREAT TEAMMATE AND HIM PLAYING ON DA DODGERS WITH TEOZCAR AND DA REST OF DA DODGERS WOULD MOTIVATE HIM PLUS HE DONT HAVE.TO BE DA TOP DOG BUT 4-5 DOG ON OUR TEAM
Not moving Norby, Mayo, Basallo, Kjerstad, Cowser, Bradfield Jr or Holliday. For Mason Miller I’d consider some of these guys but for Skubal, fresh off Tommy John and injury prone as it is. I’m fine. O’s are a 100+ win ball club as it stands. We’re good either way. O’s have the leverage. What are Tigers going to do? Keep Skubal and let him hit free agency with a weak farm system?
I’ve said this before. O’s top 8 prospects are better than Max Clark. Stowers, Beavers would both instantly be Detroits #1 prospect and McDermott would supplement the farm. That’s a more fair trade. You get your corner outfields with high slugging and power and a projected 2 or 3 in the rotation.
Just because the Orioles have these pieces doesn’t mean then need to be shown the door. Norby, Basallo and Mayo aren’t blocked either. Basallo will DH and play first for a couple years until Rutch splits time. No reason to part with these studs for a guy we can even guarantee will be on the field. Birds have 8-10 years to contend
I make that deal everyday
Definitely willing to give up those prospects for Skubal on the Doyers 💯
LAD doesn't have anything to offer.They have only 2 U19 in Top 10. 🤣 3 of the top 5 are 25 and older 🤣 and number 1 is 23...
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Cowser stinks. Too much swing and miss.
I'd go Mountcastle, Cowser, and Johnson.
Mounty doesn't have the trade value of Basallo. It's about a 45 BTV value difference.
@RollingWithRoc You're right! Monty has another year, and both Cowser and Johnson have 5 years, and there's your difference.
as a tigers fan Inwoopdnt even consider trading skubal for anyone short of a deal another team would never offer... like gunnar and holiday... skubap is the guy you hope to get when you trade stars. the tigers gave up 6 top prospects for kiggy and only one of em ended up being even decent... as a bullpen arm.
Not happening.
I GIVE U LOTS OF PROP FOR CHECKING DMAC AND IN MY OPINION IF WE HAVE TO TRADE OUR YOUTH SKURBAL IS WORTH IT IM SENDING THEM DPAULA OR GEORGE I SEND THEM LIZANO SWEENEY GROVE GOZLIN RIVER RYAN BURNS
Trade him and stay poor, Ilitch
Skubal is going nowhere
@@waylonmercy1533 u don't f***in kno foh lol
@@marksreviews2.080 I’m Skubal
Should run it again jim, for the Dodgers trade put baez in the deal. They can run the same thing they did to get mookie. Take on a bad contract to lessen the price of the main piece.
the trade package is laughable no way that happens - the trade starts with mayo and holiday or i don’t even entertain anything