In spite of what he says just by being an Eno album or piece of music he becomes the center of attention. If he released albums anonymously then perhaps he could reach this goal.
Hi Alan, interesting, not long ago I accidentally listened a radio interview of Finnish musicology professor. He talked a bit of this vision of Eno, but not through him but it had some classical music connections. He also mentioned that in music and in social media peoples behavior is the same, when they have completely freedom, they start to eventually follow narrow format. I guess thats why so many improvised music or freejazz is often quite boring, fortunately not all. Cheers.
Hi Petri. I have found that to be true in regard to improvised music. Some jazz musicians are apparently playing 'free', but you hear the same patterns and melodies across different performances. We all tend to fall into what is comfortable to ourselves, even if we believe we are pushing barriers. My use of social media is very narrow. I find myself visiting the same few websites over and over despite there being a world of possibilities and knowledge available. We are by nature creatures of habit and can only take in so much information, which of necessity must also be of interest to us.
That is close to the ultimate expression of personality-less 'music', albeit every 'performance' bears the name of John Cage over it and the inevitable associations that go with it.
Maybe that's why Eno is so good at producing these big band egos like Bono alongside they really want to work with him. Brian in the background/landscape not seeking attention. I guess there's a stage where whatever you do even if no one is listening as long as you are content in your output then you've reached where you want to go. Or maybe a disgruntled never happy always searching. These multi strand people eh they often end up multi - stranded, abandoned 😔 And that's you that is 😅 Me too.
Good point on Eno's production methods. The secret to a happy life then, is to seek complete one-dimensionality. There are a few VC members who are quite close. Present company excepted, of course.
@@statictraveller yes present company of course. I see what you did there. The VC is fairly one dimensional its only some of the records make them slightly more interesting....
[edited] I've attended many lectures by visual artists and they sound a lot like Eno in that recording. I believe he studied as a visual artist; many musicians do. Using the act of painting as a metaphor for making music. But what do painters do? They embrace confusion and frustration in the act of picture making, thereby taking risks in order to make something they could never make consciously on their own. There is a recent video of Willem Dafoe circulating where he talks about purposely trying to be a shitty actor in delivering a role; in order to hit a wall and therefore create a unique manifestation of himself he could not do consciously. Can you imagine trying to take this strategy to the commercial world? One can’t. One would get fired. Silicon Valley dabbles in this, but it’s always the bottom line that pulls everything back to center and predictability and sameness. [Orson Welles joke redacted]
Eno's famous Oblique Strategies cards for use in the random aspect of music composition echo a similar process, albeit in a slightly more formal way. Ultimately, all the processes employed by any artist or musician are only really deemed successful if we can make sense of the work created. One of the problems these days, is concept and idea take precedence over skill and genuine artistry. But, that's a whole other conversation. Dork calling Orson. Dork calling Orson.
Michael, yesterday I was talking to a professor from RISD, every time we meet, we talk about Eno. He told me that he exposed his art students to Brian Eno's Oblique Strategies to help with their creativity.
@@michaelvalentini4869 Hi Michael. Always a pleasure to read your thoughtful responses. Yeah the way it’s imparted to students is that paint is messy and hard to control. It often doesn’t do what you want it to do. So you get angry, frustrated, and confused. The best artists seek out that moment. They look for it and embrace it; and use that energy for complete risk taking and abandon. It’s applicable, when you think about it. But not in the commercial world. Maybe I’m wrong though. Maybe Engineers and other professionals use that strategy at times in their work.
I’m amazed that he has many quotes on music and life! Fantastic!
In spite of what he says just by being an Eno album or piece of music he becomes the center of attention. If he released albums anonymously then perhaps he could reach this goal.
I was going to say that in the video, Ed. And even if a piece of music is created anonymously, it will always bear the mark of a creator.
Hi Alan, interesting, not long ago I accidentally listened a radio interview of Finnish musicology professor. He talked a bit of this vision of Eno, but not through him but it had some classical music connections. He also mentioned that in music and in social media peoples behavior is the same, when they have completely freedom, they start to eventually follow narrow format. I guess thats why so many improvised music or freejazz is often quite boring, fortunately not all. Cheers.
Hi Petri. I have found that to be true in regard to improvised music. Some jazz musicians are apparently playing 'free', but you hear the same patterns and melodies across different performances. We all tend to fall into what is comfortable to ourselves, even if we believe we are pushing barriers.
My use of social media is very narrow. I find myself visiting the same few websites over and over despite there being a world of possibilities and knowledge available. We are by nature creatures of habit and can only take in so much information, which of necessity must also be of interest to us.
Cool track
One where he puts his personality back in focus and ignores the sound field completely. ;-)
I’m here Alan...and listening my friend 🙏🏻🎶✨🙏🏻
Always good to have you here
Brilliant guy! 👍
Thanks. Eno's no slouch, either.
Alan, John Cage's composition, '' 4 minutes, 33 seconds'' is what Eno is really talking about here. Eno and Cage are two of my guiding lights.
That is close to the ultimate expression of personality-less 'music', albeit every 'performance' bears the name of John Cage over it and the inevitable associations that go with it.
@@statictraveller ''the bird went in search of a cage''
Another Green World , my introduction
Mine, Before And After Science
This is interesting. I just mentioned this CD in a video yesterday.
Did you, Brian? I will have to watch that. Thanks for letting me know.
@@statictraveller Well, as part of a CD tag video, so really almost in passing. But it is a CD that seems to be rare or unusual
Maybe that's why Eno is so good at producing these big band egos like Bono alongside they really want to work with him.
Brian in the background/landscape not seeking attention.
I guess there's a stage where whatever you do even if no one is listening as long as you are content in your output then you've reached where you want to go. Or maybe a disgruntled never happy always searching. These multi strand people eh they often end up multi - stranded, abandoned 😔
And that's you that is 😅
Me too.
Good point on Eno's production methods.
The secret to a happy life then, is to seek complete one-dimensionality. There are a few VC members who are quite close. Present company excepted, of course.
@@statictraveller yes present company of course. I see what you did there. The VC is fairly one dimensional its only some of the records make them slightly more interesting....
Oooh! The saucy old bugger.
This Brian Eno sounds just like my radiologist
He talks about his ambient music, too, then?
@@statictraveller Yes, he wants to replace magnetic resonance imaging with it.
if I didn"t know who was speaking I would have thought it was George Martin.....not the content but the measured BBC voice!
Unfortunately, those measured BBC voices are being assigned to history. And the BBC are to blame. Now, every accent you hear has to be provincial.
@@statictraveller sounds WOKE to me....said in my finest WOKING accent...
[edited] I've attended many lectures by visual artists and they sound a lot like Eno in that recording. I believe he studied as a visual artist; many musicians do. Using the act of painting as a metaphor for making music. But what do painters do? They embrace confusion and frustration in the act of picture making, thereby taking risks in order to make something they could never make consciously on their own. There is a recent video of Willem Dafoe circulating where he talks about purposely trying to be a shitty actor in delivering a role; in order to hit a wall and therefore create a unique manifestation of himself he could not do consciously. Can you imagine trying to take this strategy to the commercial world? One can’t. One would get fired. Silicon Valley dabbles in this, but it’s always the bottom line that pulls everything back to center and predictability and sameness. [Orson Welles joke redacted]
Eno's famous Oblique Strategies cards for use in the random aspect of music composition echo a similar process, albeit in a slightly more formal way. Ultimately, all the processes employed by any artist or musician are only really deemed successful if we can make sense of the work created. One of the problems these days, is concept and idea take precedence over skill and genuine artistry. But, that's a whole other conversation. Dork calling Orson. Dork calling Orson.
Michael, yesterday I was talking to a professor from RISD, every time we meet, we talk about Eno. He told me that he exposed his art students to Brian Eno's Oblique Strategies to help with their creativity.
@@michaelvalentini4869 Hi Michael. Always a pleasure to read your thoughtful responses. Yeah the way it’s imparted to students is that paint is messy and hard to control. It often doesn’t do what you want it to do. So you get angry, frustrated, and confused. The best artists seek out that moment. They look for it and embrace it; and use that energy for complete risk taking and abandon. It’s applicable, when you think about it. But not in the commercial world. Maybe I’m wrong though. Maybe Engineers and other professionals use that strategy at times in their work.
@@statictraveller Definitely another conversation, and one I would welcome, Rosebud.
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I still prefer Eno's records when the figure was more central. Those albums where he sings are chockfull of invention and richness of ideas.
Yes, they really are, John.
Did Alan Watts ever speak on music??
I don't know, Lis.
@@statictraveller hmmmmm I’m gonna google this....I’ve piqued my own interest lol...oh wait!!! Is that being egotistical Alan?? Oooo I pray not..
Norman is going to sue you, using a b&w filter to make your work look more pretentious is a certain copyright infringement
I hope the lawyers will see I only do it to emulate and pay homage to the master.