Very cool but I cannot possibly imagine how slow this thing is. Image 26 people, all their luggage, and air conditioning turned on, with this thing trying to climb the mountains in Japan. With 135HP, I just don't see it.
@@nickthompson9697 when they put 2-speed auto gearbox in that bus an additional short driveshaft was added. It's poorly made and kinda unbalanced from the factory, so makes that sound when engine is below 500 rpms.
The driveshaft bearings connecting the engine and the two-speed automatic transmission wore out. In the 677, the gearbox is installed separately from the engine, this lead to heavy loads on it's bearings. Subsequently, the cardan joints made that sound on idle.@@nickthompson9697
@@nickthompson9697 that sound was produced by the threadbare driveshaft connected between the engine and automatic gearbox. The gearbox Lviv-2 was too large and heavy to be connected to the engine straightly to the ZiL-375 engine placed slightly in the right side of the front of the bus to free up some space for the bus driver. Of course this shaft need to be replaced and the bus engineers had to invent some more useful types of connection, but many buses were running with crating driveshaft for many years without any accindents - and that's why nobody was doing anything.
Gasoline buses are used when keeping emissions (specifically NOx and particulate matter) low is more important than keeping fuel efficiency high. A natural gas/LPG powered bus runs very clean, but will consume more fuel than an equivalent diesel bus.
@@captaindreadnought212 When Fuel Economy equals reduced CO2 emissions, it comes down to caring about acid rain vs unpredictable weather and reduced food security. If your bus is running on biogas from a landfill, great, but I'll stick with my biodiesel powered equipment that has slightly increased NOx, but reduced every-other-emissions.
agree, but it is more likely due to lower freezing temperature of petrol as soviet union had very bad weather. you might need heater inside the tank if you plan to use diesel in artic winter.
@@Tuppoo94 disagree on that as public transportation is taken very seriously in Soviet union as people usually don't have cars or bikes. if workers don't come on time to factory production will stop.
People watch drag races with high-end, high power vehicles and argue results. Here we are learning about engines in buses and it's equally interesting. :) I enjoy your deliberate and calm speaking style.
Insecure Okies: "I NEEEED a 6.7 liter powerchoke diesel with 1,100 ft-lbs to pick up four bags of mulch once a year at the store!!" ZiS-124: "I can carry over 10 tons with 95 HP and 221 ft-lb"
Here in Canada/America there is lots of examples of gasoline school buses, all the major school bus brands use them. Of course the BlueBird uses the 7.3 Godzilla because it’s based on a Ford F650 frame (they are really cool, I’ve rode in one). BlueBird’s direct competitors, IC Buses (owned by International Navistar) and Thomas Built Buses (owned by Daimler) also use a V8. Both have options for an 8.8 L V8 built by PSI that is specifically engineered for use in school buses. It can run on gasoline or LPG. Locally where I am they are pretty popular, specifically the IC CE. (Edit was spelling fix I meant buses not busses ahhhhhhh)
They were gas where I lived in Canada until the early 90s when they started to get internationals with diesel engines. I wouldn't doubt they may go back to gasoline as cost of downtime maintaining and repairing emissions systems likely outweighs fuel savings
My bus we lived in and traveled is a 1972 Bluebird school bus. Originally powered by a 478 GMC V6… Blew at some point, and now has the 427 tall deck V8.
The school buses I rode in two school districts in Michigan were all gasoline powered. There simply were no small diesel engines available and the mechanics that maintained the busses generally were not familiar with diesels. It seems the most common gas engine used in busses back then was the Ford "truck six", a 4.0 or 4.9 liter pushrod inline six with a two barrel carb and a manual transmission.
@Oddman1980 probably 366ci "talldeck" my dad always called em. Taller block and extra ring on the piston, 4 like a diesel, not 3 from what I understand. Meant for higher torque applications like busses, dump trucks, etc. He has a box truck with one. He bought the whole thing just for the engine 😂
@@goosenotmaverick1156 I think you're right. I remember hearing someone say it was a 366 when I happened to be in the Bus Barn, but I thought I'd heard wrong because I wasn't familiar with that one.
I grew up in the midwest in the 80's and 90's and around here the primary bus was the international variants built on the same frame and drive train platforms as their grain trucks. Most were powered by 345 or 392 V8 or big I6 gassers. Fuel mileage was almost as bad as our modern emissions-compliant stuff but they never wore out and it was common to have the body of the bus fall apart well before the engines ever got tired. Even som near 50 years later I can still find old junk buses with good running engines in them parked in old farm yards serving as storage buildings on wheels.
In Romania, back in the 60s and 70s we had a bus called TV-20 which used a 5.2 liter gasoline V8 engine (Ford design). That engine was also used on some romanian built trucks
I drive a Ford E450 shuttle bus with the 7.3 liter engine. Not sure if it’s the engine or the exhaust setup, but that thing sounds incredible. The bus that it replaced was an F550 with the triton V10. That engine had a wail to it, but with a full load of 25 passengers, it could barely make it up the hill on the bus loop.
@@paulmanson253Ford sold a lot of "incomplete vehicles" 450 drop axle, cutaway cab, D70-80 dually rear axle The box behind the cab (and passenger door/step) were added by upfitters
I really like the list style videos, it’s what brought me to your channel in the first place, not that I don’t enjoy more in depth content. It would be great to see more in the future.
Going to school in the late-80s/early 90s in Canada, you would see Thomas-brand schoolbuses, often with Chevy/GM cabs and 427 tall deck V8/4-speed powertrain. Quite a few International S model buses too, probably had the 345ci Harvester V8/4-speed powertrain Good ole days 😉👍
I chaperoned at a school field trip and we rode on Blue bird buses with the Ford V10 (when i was younger most buses had detroit diesel engines) that V10 hauled that bus full of people very smoothly the only bad egg was the transmission which was really jerky and seemed to shift all of the time and couldnt decide which gear to stay in.
Bedford made a lot of petrol busses in Australia mainly in the 50s and 60s mainly for private regional routes. The petrol motor was 300ci petrol with very small horses and the diesel was 330ci with even smaller horses. I had a 1956 SB petrol in the early 80s converted to a motor home depending on the country it got between 5 and 15 mpg with a top speed of 70mph
When I was a kid in NZ in the 1960's our neighbour , a commercial carrier , used Bedford TK trucks - all petrol powered. Petrol was $0.49 / gal Wikipedia: "TKs were assembled for many years by General Motors New Zealand (GMNZ) at its Petone truck plant. The model was very popular and competed with the like of the also locally assembled Ford D series. It was succeeded by the TM series and GMNZ later switched source to launch a range of Bedford-by-Isuzu models assembled locally from kits shipped from Japan. Over 500,000 were produced. They were also assembled by Holden in Australia."
I remember petrol bedford buses on my bus route in dural nsw, two buses i caught were the petrol manual, and a diesel with alison auto. Both creeped up steep new line rd at 5 mph 😂. Jm
I used to go to school on a Bedford OB in the early sixties. The OB was very popular and many still exist in preservation, one notable one being a Duple bodied example that was supplied new to Leathers coaches of Maiden Bradley, Wiltshire, England with upholstery colour keyed to Leathers dark blue and cream livery. It's still in Leathers family ownership and still does the occasional run.
Growing up in NJ USA, we had many buses powered by a Ford 360FE big block. I think they were de-stroked 390s. Later on the Ford buses the district had were the 370 ci 385 series V8s.
I love diesel in trucks and buses. but heavy duty gas engines are amazing on its own. I love ford 6.8 Triton V10 and 7.3 Godzilla. these gas guzzlers are something else. I really love listening their low rpm rumble while towing tons behind
The German military used Unimogs 404-S until the 1990s. They had a 6cyl petrol engine from the Mercedes 220 (passenger car) The engine was tuned down to 82hp (60kw) for longevity. A larger Diesel engine would not have fitted under the bonnet at that time. This type of Unimog had the reputation of being the most capable 4WD small truck.
I used to work at a bus company that was phasing out diesels in favor of gas due to maintenance costs and low temperature capabilities. I spent a lot of time sitting next to a trition v10 running wide open up a hill. They sound way too good to be in a bus.
All the buses I rode in school were gasoline powered. 1952 GMC with an inline 6. 1957 GMC with a 371 Oldsmobile V8. 1960 and 1962 GMC's with 351 V6's. 1967 International Loadstar with a RD 406 inline and a couple of 1968 International Loadstar's with 392 V8's. That Godzilla powered Bluebird sounds great. It's funny, what's old is new again.
I think the one I rode in school was a GMC 6000 series. Possibly with the 427, because from memory that bus took that one severe and long incline like a champ.
I drive a city bus. Its a Ford F550 converted into a shuttle bus. It has a gasoline engine but ours are converted to run on propane. They feel very underpowered to drive and they also have a fire compression system built in to the engine bay.
I remember the Golden beach school bus near Sale in Victoria Australia when I was at school (we're talking the 80's so some time ago). The original engine was replaced by a 350 Chev and it had a great sound and ran well.
Diesel buses have been illegal in California since the past decade at least. Long Beach Transit operates a sizeable fleet of gasoline hybrid buses. They did a study on running those buses when new and compared them to their prior diesel buses. The new ones got 3.35 miles per gallon vs. the old ones' 3.5 miles per gallon, but the agency saved tons of money on maintenance such as brake repairs, and the new buses emitted way fewer pollutants.
I really love buses and vans gasoline powered. When I first landed in Montreal in 2015 and I came into bus based on V8 powered Chevy Express I said: Oh man, I wish we got buses like this in Europe.
I remember when ALL our school buses were Gasoline engines back in the 1970’s . They didn’t switch to diesel until the late 1980s in our area. Even some heavy haulers were gasoline I remember fords medium duty 330-361-391 series engines followed by the 370 engine used in dump trucks, school buses and other applications. Diesels mostly took over in recent years.
I've been enjoying your lists and stats since before the voice-overs and theme music lol, love to see how you've progressed over the years! Anyway small correction 1:23 it's the "Vortec" 8100, not "Vortex" :)
You forgot the whole line-up of Паз buses which are being sold new to this day with gasoline engines. Like their models 3203, 3205, 4234 and so on. The 3205 uses an ANCIENT engine, a 60s soviet V8 attached to a four speed manual where first gear is crawler gear. This is simply a truck that just happens to be with a bus cabin
An engine option on late model International school busses was the PSI 8.8L spark ignition engine. We had one come into our shop after it had part of the exhaust stolen off of it and oh man that thing sounded good.
I remember when I was in early elementary school our bus had what I think was a Ford 460 V8 and I loved the sound it made. I also remember hating when we got a new bus because it had either a Cummins 6BT or a Cat 3206 (both inline 6 diesels) in it and they sounded like crap by comparison to my 12 year old mind
I rode school buses in Canada through the 1970's and they all had gasoline engines (such as Chevrolet-powered Bluebirds), but after that diesels became common.
Hi, very interesting video as always. Have been on alot of the Soviet buses, they run on 76 fuel. They still got alot of them out at the streets today.
I used to drive a CNG engined New Flyer. 8.3 liter Cummins straight 6. Basically a diesel block with a spark ignition head and 10:1 compression. It was extremely slow.
In the 40's and 50's American car and foundry built large Intercity buses under the acf/brill name, these used huge hall-scott gasoline 6 cylinder engines mounted horizontally under the floor in the center of the bus chassis. Greyhound used a few but most were used by Trailways and other smaller bus lines. They were known for being fast and having great acceleration as well as being quiet, but fuel consumption was ridiculous.. 2 to 4 miles per gallon was typical.
You've forgot an entire soviet bus maker KaVZ (КаВЗ). They were different buses based on GAZ trucks like GAZ 51, 52 and 53. Some of them still run and work. And also similar to them technically PAZ buses.
There is one more bus family of gasoline bus producing in former USSR and Russia in Pavlov-na-Oke - it's GZA 651, PAZ 652, PAZ 672 and PAZ 3205, which is producing till now. It's smaller than ZiL-LiAZ buses with 23 seats and 90-120 hp engine only, but nowadays 3205 model is the most widely used by the rapid bus systems in Russian smaller towns and countrysides.
В СССР/России также использовались бензиновые автобусы на базе ГАЗ-53, такие как КАвЗ-685м, Г1-А1 "Кубань", ПАЗ-672м и ПАЗ-3205 Все они имели почти один и тот же бензиновый V8, за исключением модели 3205, туда также ставят I4 дизель
In my country, most articulating busses (bendy bus) run on CNG, whereas normal busses still run on diesel. Also interestingly, busses built on the Scania chassis use Inline 5 engines as opposed to everyone else using Inline 6.
I know in Brazil, during the early 80s, there was a program for all vehicles to run on ethanol, so you see many busses and trucks with ethanol engines. Nowadays ethanol is mostly used in cars.
UPS ( the package delivers company based in the USA ) has dumped most of their diesel powered last mile delivery trucks for natural gas / gasoline engines ( GM LS series ) as well as running over the road semi trucks on natural gas. This tells you something about the cost savings with modern natural gas / gasoline fuel over diesel. Diesels are dirty engines that need $$$ after treatment to keep them clean.
There's a reason most school buses in America use Diesel over gssoline... it's not nearly as combustible in case of an accident. There have been bad accident where a lot of kids got burnt
Ford also puts it's big gas engines in the F650/750 heavy-duty straight trucks. They're used a lot as service vehicles, in that form by natural-gas utilities who run them on their own CNG, likewise by propane dealers (I'm sure Strickland has a fleet of them) . It's technically much easier to convert a gasoline engine to LPG/CNG than to do that to a diesel.
Large industrial diesels sometimes get converted to LPG or CNG by simply replacing the the diesel injectors with spark plugs and adding a throttle and fuel injection nozzles to the intake manifold. Works because LPG and CNG have very high octane ratings, so diesel compression ratios can actually be acceptable for them in some cases.
you missed paz 3204 and 3205, they have diesel variants but quite some of them are using gasoline, and they are still quite common in small towns and rural areas in russia
That's honestly pretty typical for non "high performance" gasoline engines of the era. As someone else stated, it's a lot to do with the fuel available at the time, as well as fuel delivery being pretty poor.
There were a lot of soviet gasoline buses in my countries but now 100% of bus in vietnam is diesel for public buses, they often use Doosan DL06S inline 6 diesel euro 4 on daewoo buses
Im surprised you didn't add the Toyota coaster, i was in Jamaica for a tour during a cruise we took a Toyota coaster bus that had a manual 5 speed and a 6 cylinder, i remember the driver let me sit up front in the passenger seat and asked if i wanted to shift 😂
For many US school districts, the added upfront and maintenance cost of diesel school buses no longer makes sense, and gasoline powered buses are more and more popular. My county no longer buys diesel school buses at all.
In the beginning of the 80's a few CSA 1 citybusses in The Netherlands were altered from diesel to LPG engines. CSA 1 was built from 1967 to 1982 in the same country for multiple cities. It had 5 versions during this lifespan. Here is a video with the sound of the LPG engine: ruclips.net/video/jMe11Qodq_4/видео.htmlsi=rtJodiMFeJS1BvOT
In Soviet Union almost all civil vehicles were gasoline-powered. That was because military required huge amounts of diesel, and gasoline was just a by-product of diesel production, so lots of gasoline engines required just to burn it.
I think the reason some commercial vehicles had gas engines in the soviet union is because of extreme cold in Siberia for example as the cold would make Diesel engines impractical
@1:10 that gas engine isn't a bluebird product, that's ford's 7.3 gas engine. Oh you got to that a min or so later lol. @1:22 There have been many LP/NG buses on the road prior to 2009, international had them with the 7.3 T444E engines, been there drove one.
Russia still produces gasoline powered buses. Mostly it's gazelle series from GAZ and Kamaz ones. I think you should also check Belarusian buses, they may do them too.
Soviet Union lagged badly in technology to build viable commercial diesel engines in the 50-60-70s, so they stuck up with gasoline ones. Also, gasoline was dirt cheap and all the industry and transportation were run by centralized government apparatus, so the demand for efficiency or economy was simply non existent. As for the inaccuracies in the video, from 1964 onwards and to the fall of the USSR, shorter LAZ 695 transit buses, and 697 coach buses, used only 6 liter ZiL-130 OVH V8. Longer LAZ-699 used solely the 7 liter enlarger version of it, designated ZiL-375. Very same 7 liter engine went into LiAZ-677. And this bus indeed was really famous for its sound of "rattling glass bottles", which was caused by badly worn U-joints and splines on the driveshaft that connected the engine in the front and the transmission, which was placed separately in the middle of the bus. But the common name for it was rather "livestock carrier" (скотовоз/skotovoz) or rarely - "moon rover" (луноход/loonokhod). Also, there were smaller PAZ and KaVZ buses, which were based on GAZ chassis, thus also used 4.3 liter all aluminium gasoline V8.
A rotary-power Mazda bus? You're an automotive information archaeologist.
Right! lol With one account or another I’ve been informed, and entertained, for over a decade!
ALL HAIL VizioRacer!
Very cool but I cannot possibly imagine how slow this thing is. Image 26 people, all their luggage, and air conditioning turned on, with this thing trying to climb the mountains in Japan. With 135HP, I just don't see it.
@@mattt198654321 but it's Japan I doubt it'll be anyone over 180lbs.😂
@@Lopez_the_heavyHe's telling us everything we didn't know we wanted to know❤❤😂🎉
🤣🤣 @@zoidzoid87
The "crate of bottles" nickname is definitely on point
Why does it sound like that?
I actually laughed out loud when I heard that it exactly resembles the kind of noise!
@@nickthompson9697 when they put 2-speed auto gearbox in that bus an additional short driveshaft was added. It's poorly made and kinda unbalanced from the factory, so makes that sound when engine is below 500 rpms.
The driveshaft bearings connecting the engine and the two-speed automatic transmission wore out. In the 677, the gearbox is installed separately from the engine, this lead to heavy loads on it's bearings. Subsequently, the cardan joints made that sound on idle.@@nickthompson9697
@@nickthompson9697 that sound was produced by the threadbare driveshaft connected between the engine and automatic gearbox. The gearbox Lviv-2 was too large and heavy to be connected to the engine straightly to the ZiL-375 engine placed slightly in the right side of the front of the bus to free up some space for the bus driver. Of course this shaft need to be replaced and the bus engineers had to invent some more useful types of connection, but many buses were running with crating driveshaft for many years without any accindents - and that's why nobody was doing anything.
It certainly does sound like a "crate of Bottles" at low RPM's.
Which is why everyone after stepping out of the bus went directly to buy beer :)
6:44 As a mechanic, if I heard a running vehicle making noises like that, I'd shut it down to see what the failure was 😳
В детстве я ездил на таком автобусе загород. Ещё тогда я услышал этот странный звук двигателя, звук ударяющихся стеклянных банок 😁
@@Sayua-chan My Summer Car Moment.
That's the sound of soviet hydraulic automatic transmission.
In the former Czechoslovakia we had Walter D-Bus. It had 7.4l V12 and top speed 110km/h, for 1930s it was good performance.
Gasoline buses are used when keeping emissions (specifically NOx and particulate matter) low is more important than keeping fuel efficiency high. A natural gas/LPG powered bus runs very clean, but will consume more fuel than an equivalent diesel bus.
I wish more people would understand that fuel economy doesn't equal environmentally friendly
@@captaindreadnought212 When Fuel Economy equals reduced CO2 emissions, it comes down to caring about acid rain vs unpredictable weather and reduced food security.
If your bus is running on biogas from a landfill, great, but I'll stick with my biodiesel powered equipment that has slightly increased NOx, but reduced every-other-emissions.
agree, but it is more likely due to lower freezing temperature of petrol as soviet union had very bad weather. you might need heater inside the tank if you plan to use diesel in artic winter.
@@yoppindia In the Soviet Union the question was much more simple: This bus or no bus.
@@Tuppoo94 disagree on that as public transportation is taken very seriously in Soviet union as people usually don't have cars or bikes. if workers don't come on time to factory production will stop.
ZiL: so we've designed this 6.0l V8 for commercial use, how many of them do you want?
Soviet Union: yes
@@captaindreadnought212 and the 7 liters gasoline engine for SU army, please.
People watch drag races with high-end, high power vehicles and argue results. Here we are learning about engines in buses and it's equally interesting. :)
I enjoy your deliberate and calm speaking style.
Insecure Okies: "I NEEEED a 6.7 liter powerchoke diesel with 1,100 ft-lbs to pick up four bags of mulch once a year at the store!!"
ZiS-124: "I can carry over 10 tons with 95 HP and 221 ft-lb"
But the ZiS-124 offers none of the compensation to the driver that the 6.7 liter powerchoke diesel with 1,100 ft-lbs does
ZiS 124 doesn't inflate the driver's ego to compensate for their 1x1 Lego brick sized manhood.
@@PaulG.x It also never had to go over 35 MPH for more than a few blocks either.
@@Danse_Macabre_125 Don't need much power if you aren't in an Emotion Support Truck.
Yea me too.
I never knew that I wanted to learn about Soviet gasoline powered buses. Thank you VisioRacer!
Here in Canada/America there is lots of examples of gasoline school buses, all the major school bus brands use them. Of course the BlueBird uses the 7.3 Godzilla because it’s based on a Ford F650 frame (they are really cool, I’ve rode in one). BlueBird’s direct competitors, IC Buses (owned by International Navistar) and Thomas Built Buses (owned by Daimler) also use a V8. Both have options for an 8.8 L V8 built by PSI that is specifically engineered for use in school buses. It can run on gasoline or LPG. Locally where I am they are pretty popular, specifically the IC CE.
(Edit was spelling fix I meant buses not busses ahhhhhhh)
Buses what the fuck
I only ever seen diesel buses here now
When I went to school 40 years ago our school system had a mix of gas, lpg and diesel busses.
Where I live in Canada, the only buses I ever been in are hybrid or diesel (city bus) or diesel (school bus)
They were gas where I lived in Canada until the early 90s when they started to get internationals with diesel engines. I wouldn't doubt they may go back to gasoline as cost of downtime maintaining and repairing emissions systems likely outweighs fuel savings
My bus we lived in and traveled is a 1972 Bluebird school bus. Originally powered by a 478 GMC V6… Blew at some point, and now has the 427 tall deck V8.
The school buses I rode in two school districts in Michigan were all gasoline powered. There simply were no small diesel engines available and the mechanics that maintained the busses generally were not familiar with diesels.
It seems the most common gas engine used in busses back then was the Ford "truck six", a 4.0 or 4.9 liter pushrod inline six with a two barrel carb and a manual transmission.
When I was a kid in Tulsa, they had propane-powered school buses. They were some kind of V8, pretty sure it was a GM.
@Oddman1980 probably 366ci "talldeck" my dad always called em. Taller block and extra ring on the piston, 4 like a diesel, not 3 from what I understand. Meant for higher torque applications like busses, dump trucks, etc.
He has a box truck with one. He bought the whole thing just for the engine 😂
@@goosenotmaverick1156 I think you're right. I remember hearing someone say it was a 366 when I happened to be in the Bus Barn, but I thought I'd heard wrong because I wasn't familiar with that one.
I grew up in the midwest in the 80's and 90's and around here the primary bus was the international variants built on the same frame and drive train platforms as their grain trucks. Most were powered by 345 or 392 V8 or big I6 gassers.
Fuel mileage was almost as bad as our modern emissions-compliant stuff but they never wore out and it was common to have the body of the bus fall apart well before the engines ever got tired.
Even som near 50 years later I can still find old junk buses with good running engines in them parked in old farm yards serving as storage buildings on wheels.
@illbeyourmonster3591 Those International gas V8s were big. Definitely not a car engine.
In Romania, back in the 60s and 70s we had a bus called TV-20 which used a 5.2 liter gasoline V8 engine (Ford design). That engine was also used on some romanian built trucks
I drive a Ford E450 shuttle bus with the 7.3 liter engine. Not sure if it’s the engine or the exhaust setup, but that thing sounds incredible. The bus that it replaced was an F550 with the triton V10. That engine had a wail to it, but with a full load of 25 passengers, it could barely make it up the hill on the bus loop.
That Ford E450. Was it what we called a 13 passenger window van ? If so,Ford sold a lot of them.
@@paulmanson253Ford sold a lot of "incomplete vehicles" 450 drop axle, cutaway cab, D70-80 dually rear axle
The box behind the cab (and passenger door/step) were added by upfitters
It’s a Ford chassis with a 23 passenger bus body. Sort of like the “Cruise America “ rental RVs, but a longer wheelbase.
@@8upwithit Right, but Ford doesn't make the body.
Only the chassis and cutaway cab
@@jimurrata6785 Right. Got it. I know what you mean now. A genuine bus body. Not just a big van. Thanks for that.
I really like the list style videos, it’s what brought me to your channel in the first place, not that I don’t enjoy more in depth content. It would be great to see more in the future.
I might do them a bit more often
Wow imagine having a restored Mazda Parkway that looks so fun
Going to school in the late-80s/early 90s in Canada, you would see Thomas-brand schoolbuses, often with Chevy/GM cabs and 427 tall deck V8/4-speed powertrain.
Quite a few International S model buses too, probably had the 345ci Harvester V8/4-speed powertrain
Good ole days 😉👍
I was going to say IHC V8 busses
PAZ 3205 petrol bus too, he producing from 1989 year, almost all soviet buses working on petrol engine
I chaperoned at a school field trip and we rode on Blue bird buses with the Ford V10 (when i was younger most buses had detroit diesel engines) that V10 hauled that bus full of people very smoothly the only bad egg was the transmission which was really jerky and seemed to shift all of the time and couldnt decide which gear to stay in.
Bedford made a lot of petrol busses in Australia mainly in the 50s and 60s mainly for private regional routes. The petrol motor was 300ci petrol with very small horses and the diesel was 330ci with even smaller horses. I had a 1956 SB petrol in the early 80s converted to a motor home depending on the country it got between 5 and 15 mpg with a top speed of 70mph
When I was a kid in NZ in the 1960's our neighbour , a commercial carrier , used Bedford TK trucks - all petrol powered. Petrol was $0.49 / gal
Wikipedia:
"TKs were assembled for many years by General Motors New Zealand (GMNZ) at its Petone truck plant. The model was very popular and competed with the like of the also locally assembled Ford D series. It was succeeded by the TM series and GMNZ later switched source to launch a range of Bedford-by-Isuzu models assembled locally from kits shipped from Japan. Over 500,000 were produced. They were also assembled by Holden in Australia."
I remember petrol bedford buses on my bus route in dural nsw, two buses i caught were the petrol manual, and a diesel with alison auto. Both creeped up steep new line rd at 5 mph 😂. Jm
I remember an old 4wd J1 we had. I thought it had a 4.9 in it
I used to go to school on a Bedford OB in the early sixties. The OB was very popular and many still exist in preservation, one notable one being a Duple bodied example that was supplied new to Leathers coaches of Maiden Bradley, Wiltshire, England with upholstery colour keyed to Leathers dark blue and cream livery. It's still in Leathers family ownership and still does the occasional run.
I have a 78 Bedford NFM, was originally powered by a Bedford Petrol engine, (now Isuzu Diesel). The NJM variant was Bedford diesel powered.
Growing up in NJ USA, we had many buses powered by a Ford 360FE big block. I think they were de-stroked 390s. Later on the Ford buses the district had were the 370 ci 385 series V8s.
Ah yes the 360. Good engines,but known as a gas hog. Because of that fleet operation was one thing,but privately owned proved unpopular to operate.
I love diesel in trucks and buses. but heavy duty gas engines are amazing on its own. I love ford 6.8 Triton V10 and 7.3 Godzilla. these gas guzzlers are something else. I really love listening their low rpm rumble while towing tons behind
also honorable mention, Chrysler v10 in 2nd gen dodge Ram
Blue bird vision godzilla sounds like Nissan GT-R 😂
Alternate universe where Nissan based the GT-R off of the Bluebird instead of the Skyline
The German military used Unimogs 404-S until the 1990s. They had a 6cyl petrol engine from the Mercedes 220 (passenger car) The engine was tuned down to 82hp (60kw) for longevity. A larger Diesel engine would not have fitted under the bonnet at that time. This type of Unimog had the reputation of being the most capable 4WD small truck.
I used to work at a bus company that was phasing out diesels in favor of gas due to maintenance costs and low temperature capabilities. I spent a lot of time sitting next to a trition v10 running wide open up a hill. They sound way too good to be in a bus.
Thank you for mixing the normal with the weird, yet again😁. Worth being a Patron. Cheers from NZ🇳🇿.
All the buses I rode in school were gasoline powered. 1952 GMC with an inline 6. 1957 GMC with a 371 Oldsmobile V8. 1960 and 1962 GMC's with 351 V6's. 1967 International Loadstar with a RD 406 inline and a couple of 1968 International Loadstar's with 392 V8's. That Godzilla powered Bluebird sounds great.
It's funny, what's old is new again.
I think the one I rode in school was a GMC 6000 series. Possibly with the 427, because from memory that bus took that one severe and long incline like a champ.
I drive a city bus. Its a Ford F550 converted into a shuttle bus. It has a gasoline engine but ours are converted to run on propane. They feel very underpowered to drive and they also have a fire compression system built in to the engine bay.
That transition from the restored bus to the rotten bus while making the same left turn was absolutely sensational
I ride a school bus each day with my patient as a nurse. Blue Bird Vision with Ford 6.8 V-10 but runs on propane.
Love it - first shot is Plymouth and Brockton buses!
I remember the Golden beach school bus near Sale in Victoria Australia when I was at school (we're talking the 80's so some time ago). The original engine was replaced by a 350 Chev and it had a great sound and ran well.
Diesel buses have been illegal in California since the past decade at least.
Long Beach Transit operates a sizeable fleet of gasoline hybrid buses. They did a study on running those buses when new and compared them to their prior diesel buses. The new ones got 3.35 miles per gallon vs. the old ones' 3.5 miles per gallon, but the agency saved tons of money on maintenance such as brake repairs, and the new buses emitted way fewer pollutants.
I really love buses and vans gasoline powered. When I first landed in Montreal in 2015 and I came into bus based on V8 powered Chevy Express I said: Oh man, I wish we got buses like this in Europe.
When I was visiting Chicago , I heard a badass V8 engine, driving by. I turned around and it was the USPS box truck😂
@@Axter6 the UPS trucks sound mean
I remember when ALL our school buses were Gasoline engines back in the 1970’s . They didn’t switch to diesel until the late 1980s in our area. Even some heavy haulers were gasoline I remember fords medium duty 330-361-391 series engines followed by the 370 engine used in dump trucks, school buses and other applications. Diesels mostly took over in recent years.
I've been enjoying your lists and stats since before the voice-overs and theme music lol, love to see how you've progressed over the years! Anyway small correction 1:23 it's the "Vortec" 8100, not "Vortex" :)
Oldest bus i was ever on was a japanese make touring around in cozumel, mexico. That was a pretty sweet bus.
You forgot the whole line-up of Паз buses which are being sold new to this day with gasoline engines.
Like their models 3203, 3205, 4234 and so on.
The 3205 uses an ANCIENT engine, a 60s soviet V8 attached to a four speed manual where first gear is crawler gear.
This is simply a truck that just happens to be with a bus cabin
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An engine option on late model International school busses was the PSI 8.8L spark ignition engine. We had one come into our shop after it had part of the exhaust stolen off of it and oh man that thing sounded good.
The Triton V10 is everywhere in the USA, trucks, buses, pickup trucks, industrial equipment, etc
I remember when I was in early elementary school our bus had what I think was a Ford 460 V8 and I loved the sound it made. I also remember hating when we got a new bus because it had either a Cummins 6BT or a Cat 3206 (both inline 6 diesels) in it and they sounded like crap by comparison to my 12 year old mind
I rode school buses in Canada through the 1970's and they all had gasoline engines (such as Chevrolet-powered Bluebirds), but after that diesels became common.
Hi, very interesting video as always. Have been on alot of the Soviet buses, they run on 76 fuel. They still got alot of them out at the streets today.
I used to drive a CNG engined New Flyer. 8.3 liter Cummins straight 6. Basically a diesel block with a spark ignition head and 10:1 compression. It was extremely slow.
In the 40's and 50's American car and foundry built large Intercity buses under the acf/brill name, these used huge hall-scott gasoline 6 cylinder engines mounted horizontally under the floor in the center of the bus chassis. Greyhound used a few but most were used by Trailways and other smaller bus lines. They were known for being fast and having great acceleration as well as being quiet, but fuel consumption was ridiculous.. 2 to 4 miles per gallon was typical.
3:26 that edit made me a bit sad because the first bus was so perfect and beautiful and the one after was the same model but unloved
2:07 It's so weird hearing that sound from a bus! 😂
You've forgot an entire soviet bus maker KaVZ (КаВЗ). They were different buses based on GAZ trucks like GAZ 51, 52 and 53. Some of them still run and work. And also similar to them technically PAZ buses.
There is one more bus family of gasoline bus producing in former USSR and Russia in Pavlov-na-Oke - it's GZA 651, PAZ 652, PAZ 672 and PAZ 3205, which is producing till now. It's smaller than ZiL-LiAZ buses with 23 seats and 90-120 hp engine only, but nowadays 3205 model is the most widely used by the rapid bus systems in Russian smaller towns and countrysides.
В детстве я застал автобус 🚌 ЛиАЗ 😎. Мне всегда нравился этот звук стеклянных бутылок в двигателе 😊
There was also a gasoline version of the GM New Look bus offered in the 30 foot variant, but there were few buyers of the type.
I wasn’t expecting the crate of bottles to literally sound like a crate of bottles.
My city I live in Perth WA used to have natural gas powered buses. They were in service for many years.
В СССР/России также использовались бензиновые автобусы на базе ГАЗ-53, такие как КАвЗ-685м, Г1-А1 "Кубань", ПАЗ-672м и ПАЗ-3205
Все они имели почти один и тот же бензиновый V8, за исключением модели 3205, туда также ставят I4 дизель
In my country, most articulating busses (bendy bus) run on CNG, whereas normal busses still run on diesel.
Also interestingly, busses built on the Scania chassis use Inline 5 engines as opposed to everyone else using Inline 6.
I could also talk about the 4-cylinder engines, which Mercedes Benz uses on medium bus chassis in Brazil
I know in Brazil, during the early 80s, there was a program for all vehicles to run on ethanol, so you see many busses and trucks with ethanol engines. Nowadays ethanol is mostly used in cars.
We have CNG powered buses since late 90s to control city pollution, but unfortunately city is still most polluted in the world.
UPS ( the package delivers company based in the USA ) has dumped most of their diesel powered last mile delivery trucks for natural gas / gasoline engines ( GM LS series ) as well as running over the road semi trucks on natural gas. This tells you something about the cost savings with modern natural gas / gasoline fuel over diesel. Diesels are dirty engines that need $$$ after treatment to keep them clean.
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There were some buses made on international Loadstar chassis, they used a 345 CID gas v8
There's a reason most school buses in America use Diesel over gssoline... it's not nearly as combustible in case of an accident. There have been bad accident where a lot of kids got burnt
I can't remember a news report of a school bus crash with fire in this century.
We actually have couple gas school buses where I work. They are absolutely gutless and you have to put your foot to the floor to get anywhere lol.
Ford also puts it's big gas engines in the F650/750 heavy-duty straight trucks. They're used a lot as service vehicles, in that form by natural-gas utilities who run them on their own CNG, likewise by propane dealers (I'm sure Strickland has a fleet of them) . It's technically much easier to convert a gasoline engine to LPG/CNG than to do that to a diesel.
Large industrial diesels sometimes get converted to LPG or CNG by simply replacing the the diesel injectors with spark plugs and adding a throttle and fuel injection nozzles to the intake manifold. Works because LPG and CNG have very high octane ratings, so diesel compression ratios can actually be acceptable for them in some cases.
you missed paz 3204 and 3205, they have diesel variants but quite some of them are using gasoline, and they are still quite common in small towns and rural areas in russia
Buses here in Brisbane, Australia, sometimes use CNG. For these buses, they use petrol engines.
V10? Awesome 😮
As an American, there is just something about these other buses that has cool looking charms to them than the buses in the US
The busses with compressed gas bottles were a quite common thing in Ukraine, they used compressed methane.
The compression ratios on those Soviet busses are so bad😭
Due to low octane fuel available back then 😬
Typical for flathead engines and common for any gas engine from that era.
That's honestly pretty typical for non "high performance" gasoline engines of the era.
As someone else stated, it's a lot to do with the fuel available at the time, as well as fuel delivery being pretty poor.
And realistically we still had a high number of passenger cars all the way through the 90s that still had single digit compression ratios
The KGB had to source their gas from Finland.
Diesels are more common here, but that's mostly due to the coach builder (Thomas).
There were a lot of soviet gasoline buses in my countries but now 100% of bus in vietnam is diesel
for public buses, they often use Doosan DL06S inline 6 diesel euro 4 on daewoo buses
Sounds like the Bluebird in the clip at the start has a supercharger!
All my bluebird school bussed were 5.9 Cummins or 7.3 Ford diesels.
Im surprised you didn't add the Toyota coaster, i was in Jamaica for a tour during a cruise we took a Toyota coaster bus that had a manual 5 speed and a 6 cylinder, i remember the driver let me sit up front in the passenger seat and asked if i wanted to shift 😂
Could not find it while researching, great find!
For many US school districts, the added upfront and maintenance cost of diesel school buses no longer makes sense, and gasoline powered buses are more and more popular. My county no longer buys diesel school buses at all.
In the beginning of the 80's a few CSA 1 citybusses in The Netherlands were altered from diesel to LPG engines. CSA 1 was built from 1967 to 1982 in the same country for multiple cities. It had 5 versions during this lifespan. Here is a video with the sound of the LPG engine:
ruclips.net/video/jMe11Qodq_4/видео.htmlsi=rtJodiMFeJS1BvOT
In Soviet Union almost all civil vehicles were gasoline-powered. That was because military required huge amounts of diesel, and gasoline was just a by-product of diesel production, so lots of gasoline engines required just to burn it.
I think the reason some commercial vehicles had gas engines in the soviet union is because of extreme cold in Siberia for example as the cold would make Diesel engines impractical
@1:10 that gas engine isn't a bluebird product, that's ford's 7.3 gas engine. Oh you got to that a min or so later lol.
@1:22 There have been many LP/NG buses on the road prior to 2009, international had them with the 7.3 T444E engines, been there drove one.
Most city buses in Korea are equipped with CNG engines
Hyundai Q engine, doosan DX engine
They sound and smell so wonderfull
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The Godzilla V8 and the Triton V10 sound soo nice!
I like to think the New Flyer GE40LF counts although it’s a gas electric hybrid
Russia still produces gasoline powered buses. Mostly it's gazelle series from GAZ and Kamaz ones. I think you should also check Belarusian buses, they may do them too.
I imagine bus drivers like that Bluebird.
A gasoline v8in a bus is a joke to me but still interesting 😂
Theres a Mitsubishi on our Campus that runs on unleaded and CNG.
Toyota Hiace with the 2/3/4y, 1/2/3rz, 1/2tr, 1/2gr engines as well as the coaster with the 18r and 2tr engines
Bluebird Vision 3 Valve V10 for the win
Nice I saw the very first scene is from my city Boston
Soviet Union lagged badly in technology to build viable commercial diesel engines in the 50-60-70s, so they stuck up with gasoline ones. Also, gasoline was dirt cheap and all the industry and transportation were run by centralized government apparatus, so the demand for efficiency or economy was simply non existent.
As for the inaccuracies in the video, from 1964 onwards and to the fall of the USSR, shorter LAZ 695 transit buses, and 697 coach buses, used only 6 liter ZiL-130 OVH V8. Longer LAZ-699 used solely the 7 liter enlarger version of it, designated ZiL-375.
Very same 7 liter engine went into LiAZ-677. And this bus indeed was really famous for its sound of "rattling glass bottles", which was caused by badly worn U-joints and splines on the driveshaft that connected the engine in the front and the transmission, which was placed separately in the middle of the bus.
But the common name for it was rather "livestock carrier" (скотовоз/skotovoz) or rarely - "moon rover" (луноход/loonokhod).
Also, there were smaller PAZ and KaVZ buses, which were based on GAZ chassis, thus also used 4.3 liter all aluminium gasoline V8.
Advantage of gasoline engines vs diesel engines is that gas engines are cheaper to buy and cheaper and simpler to maintain.
Could you do a video about loud bus transmissions like the Allison AT-545 and ZF ecomat HP6?
PAZ-672 for example missing. 4.3 L V8 gasoline.
In India, you'll find CNG-powered buses especially in Delhi and New Delhi.
Most of the fleet I help maintain are Cummins… but there are maybe 20 or so PSI 8.8L gas buses mixed in.
I wonder who makes that engine for psi? I'd never heard of them till I worked on a wood chipper with a psi engine. It was a rebadged Mitsubishi
@@juliogonzo2718this I wonder as well.
The only problem I see with the gasoline buses is that they sound like sports cars, but they'd be great for the far north.