How USSR Stole Wankel For KGB

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Комментарии • 392

  • @bendeleted9155
    @bendeleted9155 11 месяцев назад +269

    I had two 1970s RX-2s and they were such sleepers. They were tiny, but came with factory 4barrel carbs. My buddy put a 13B in his Datsun 510 and made a nearly perfect little sports car. Rob Dahm has shown how reliable and powerful they can be.

    • @vitordelima
      @vitordelima 11 месяцев назад +24

      There was an attempt to certify heavily modified Mazda engines for aircraft due to their many advantages, including reliability, but in the end they couldn't fight the lobbying there.

    • @Low760
      @Low760 11 месяцев назад +11

      Rob wasn't the first to show that, just that you're aware of.

    • @bendeleted9155
      @bendeleted9155 11 месяцев назад +16

      @@Low760 Rob's predecessors don't have huge RUclips channels to send the viewers here to either. Doesn't mean I'm not aware of them, young man.

    • @andrewsmart2949
      @andrewsmart2949 11 месяцев назад +8

      without turbos they are nothing special

    • @vitordelima
      @vitordelima 11 месяцев назад +8

      @@andrewsmart2949And there are alternative to turbos such as oxygen separating membranes or injecting oxygen stored in some way (such as compressed or in some form of chemical storage).

  • @buubised
    @buubised 11 месяцев назад +101

    my uncles friend had a rotary lada, it was the fastest car in the region, as long as it lasted.. later they had to put 1.2l inline engine there :D

    • @Chappomusic
      @Chappomusic 11 месяцев назад +2

      Did he save the Wankel engine ?

    • @buubised
      @buubised 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@Chappomusic i dont know

    • @rzhevsky4934
      @rzhevsky4934 10 месяцев назад +2

      Ты из Эстонии?

    • @buubised
      @buubised 10 месяцев назад

      @@rzhevsky4934 yes

    • @YuckFoutube-e1z
      @YuckFoutube-e1z 10 месяцев назад

      He must have used to wrong oil or just simply revved it too hard. Apex seals are a thing.

  • @Crazy_Borg
    @Crazy_Borg 11 месяцев назад +95

    World: "Wankel engines are unreliable"
    Mazda: "You're rotating it wrong"
    Interesting, I heard about these before. But I thought they sourced PSA BiRotor engines for this project, never knew they developed own ones!

    • @burschi9276
      @burschi9276 11 месяцев назад +6

      PSA (also Citroen) got their rotor engines from NSU.

    • @sandervanderkammen9230
      @sandervanderkammen9230 11 месяцев назад +1

      Wankel engines are inherently unreliable

    • @bumpyroad3251
      @bumpyroad3251 11 месяцев назад +10

      That's why Mazda abandoned Wankel engines also... The Rx-8 was one of the most terrible resale value performance car ever.

    • @user-pn3im5sm7k
      @user-pn3im5sm7k 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@bumpyroad3251Meanwhile the RX-7 FD go for over $70K now 💀

    • @RedLine_Renesis
      @RedLine_Renesis 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@bumpyroad3251 Mazda never abandoned the rotary engine. Check mazda news and what its president has to say about it

  • @Random-nf7qb
    @Random-nf7qb 11 месяцев назад +141

    Late 21059 and the 90s rotary Samaras were available for civilians to freely purchase.
    The only issue was the price which was too high.

    • @Zirrex1
      @Zirrex1 11 месяцев назад +7

      last 21059 was made in 1995, and never was available in free sale.

    • @Random-nf7qb
      @Random-nf7qb 11 месяцев назад +7

      @@Zirrex1 USSR dissolved in 1991.
      And it was.

    • @Zirrex1
      @Zirrex1 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@Random-nf7qb где и когда можно было купить 59 машину? будьте добры…. И каким боком тут 91 год?

    • @Random-nf7qb
      @Random-nf7qb 11 месяцев назад +7

      @@Zirrex1 ну смотрите обзор от Иван Зенкевич.
      После распада СССР, ВАЗу можно было зарабатывать на что угодно. РПД не был какая-то секретная технология.

    • @Zirrex1
      @Zirrex1 11 месяцев назад +7

      @@Random-nf7qb проблема в том что я конечно видел много всякого про наши рпд, но при этом владею таким автомобилем и знаком с другими людьми из тематики отечественных рпд поэтому не по наслышке знаю когда и сколько было произведено каких моделей, где они эксплуатировались и что с ними сейчас. 59 машины выпускались с 87 по 95 год, произведено было порядка 50 автомобилей и все они были отгружены, спецслужбам и некоторым организациям напрямую связанным с автомобильной промышленностью, например у АМО ЗИЛ было две голубых чистокровных 59х 88 года с 411 двигателем. 79 и передний привод - да безусловно продавались. Сам лично в 2001 видел в алан авто роторную 99 по цене шестнадцатиклапанной десятки с допами.

  • @aussieausdeutschland4245
    @aussieausdeutschland4245 11 месяцев назад +47

    Great little motors, but I never knew about the Soviet ones.
    Cheers for another great informative video.

    • @sandervanderkammen9230
      @sandervanderkammen9230 11 месяцев назад +4

      Very unreliable and inefficient Motors, obsolete technology

    • @kzarnold3678
      @kzarnold3678 10 месяцев назад

      I also thought it was just Mazda that used them in the automotive industry. I've heard about motorcycles and lawn mowers with rotary engines and even seen some you tubers getting a hold of those industrial single rotary and making go-carts or drift trikes

    • @sandervanderkammen9230
      @sandervanderkammen9230 10 месяцев назад

      @@kzarnold3678 Mazda was not the first NSU-Wankel licensee to begin development or production.
      Mazda was restricted by the terms of its license agreement to only develop and sell engines for automobiles less than 200 hp.

    • @sandervanderkammen9230
      @sandervanderkammen9230 10 месяцев назад

      @@kzarnold3678 Aircraft engine manufacturer Curtiss-Wright was the first Wankel licensee followed by motorcycle, ATV and power tool company Fichtel Sachs, and Yanmar, manufacturers of marine, tractor and power tool engines.

  • @paulfranks9760
    @paulfranks9760 11 месяцев назад +21

    And another great video,i had heard that they had a go at them but didn't realize they put so much effort into it .thank you

    • @touringweapon8651
      @touringweapon8651 11 месяцев назад +4

      We have not developed the automotive industry for a very long time and the quality of oil in the USSR left much to be desired. With a strong unification of vehicles, it was simply impossible to contain a rotary engine.
      sry for my english, im used google translate

    • @Chappomusic
      @Chappomusic 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@touringweapon8651the former USSR has a very interesting history !

  • @mikehotchkiss8975
    @mikehotchkiss8975 11 месяцев назад +13

    That was a stretch. Well into the dark underside of engine strangeness. Great clip

  • @boyarin2269
    @boyarin2269 11 месяцев назад +15

    also we had some prototypes of rotary bikes, with completely different domestically engineered engines...And read about Vostok S-565 bike...and yeah, in the 90s rotary ladas were sold in small numbers. so this was beyond KGB. It was used by kgb as a result of failure of mass production because of engine and available oils quality - but it was fine for small series usage. and this V8 is NOT a cast iron engine,it's fully aluminium

    • @WhyAreYouMakingMeSad
      @WhyAreYouMakingMeSad 10 месяцев назад +1

      Aluminum block, aluminum sleeves, aluminum heads. it was an innovation

  • @thx54
    @thx54 11 месяцев назад +30

    Just came home from a drive with my RX-8 and watched your video 😄 115‘000 km no problems yet 😁

    • @VisioRacer
      @VisioRacer  11 месяцев назад +15

      Long live the rotary!

    • @thx54
      @thx54 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@VisioRacerYes! Long live the Rotary! ♻️❤

    • @fidelcatsro6948
      @fidelcatsro6948 11 месяцев назад +1

      must be the fully synthetic castrol 2 stroke motorcycle oil

    • @davidhusband5022
      @davidhusband5022 11 месяцев назад +4

      my rx8 had 198,000 kms on it, still going, original engine.

    • @thx54
      @thx54 11 месяцев назад +5

      @@davidhusband5022i drove again and i watched wrong my RX-8 has 119‘000 km 😁 im confident to drive it much longer

  • @infernoking7504
    @infernoking7504 11 месяцев назад +15

    Vaz-311 has more hp and torque then engine displacement which is impressive.

  • @timtim8468
    @timtim8468 10 месяцев назад +4

    Consumer cars of the GDR just used two stroke engines, the Trabant, and the more expensive Wartburg, and fitted with the same engine, the Barkas van. Small, cheap, light engines with sufficient power. In the early 80s, it was planned to replace these with Volkswagen engines. It happened just before the reunification of Germany. Production ended soon, 4 stroke versions of the cars mentioned are rare.

  • @bobhill3941
    @bobhill3941 11 месяцев назад +14

    Very, very, interesting, another great, well researched video where I learn something new every Saturday morning. I would've never guessed the Soviets would've been interested in Felix Wankel's design!
    Keep up the great work.

    • @rzhevsky4934
      @rzhevsky4934 10 месяцев назад +3

      Почему "советы" не должны были заинтересоваться разработкой Ванкеля?😅 В комментарии чувствуется сильное действие западной идеологической обработки.

    • @bobhill3941
      @bobhill3941 10 месяцев назад

      @@rzhevsky4934 I was just as surprised that GM, NSU, and Mazda were interested in the concept, I wasn't singling anyone out. Why put Soviets in quotes? Russia was part of the Soviet Union at that time.

    • @rzhevsky4934
      @rzhevsky4934 10 месяцев назад

      @@bobhill3941 OK, значит дело в неточности перевода...

    • @bobhill3941
      @bobhill3941 10 месяцев назад

      @@rzhevsky4934 Yes it is, and that happens sometimes.

    • @WilhelmKarsten
      @WilhelmKarsten 9 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@bobhill3941NSU invented the Wankel KKM57
      Mazda licensed it from NSU now Audi

  • @lescrooge
    @lescrooge 11 месяцев назад +4

    Great video. very well done. cheers from South Africa

  • @audriusbaranauskas6227
    @audriusbaranauskas6227 11 месяцев назад +38

    The Soviet union IS like the Wankel engine - it's good while it's working, but then bucke up! Great video!

    • @Gr8thxAlot
      @Gr8thxAlot 10 месяцев назад +2

      Of all designs to steal, they choose the rotary with all its inherit problems.

  • @niketugov
    @niketugov 11 месяцев назад +5

    6:47 engines on gaz - 13,14 were never cast iron (aluminium heads and block)

  • @Tom-wl9sx
    @Tom-wl9sx 11 месяцев назад +4

    Always some new and interesting information, well done 👍🙂

  • @vidasm1702
    @vidasm1702 10 месяцев назад +3

    The 5,5 cast Iron v8 you are talking about which was in volga and chaika was all aluminium

  • @BoostWorx
    @BoostWorx 11 месяцев назад +2

    This channel always impresses me every time. My favourite channel by far ❤❤❤❤

  • @pauljanssen7594
    @pauljanssen7594 11 месяцев назад +21

    One reason why the rotary engine was horrible on gas is the combustion chamber designed, but if you converted it to propane all the propane would be burned up; they have to make a little bit bigger combustion chamber in rotor.

    • @sandervanderkammen9230
      @sandervanderkammen9230 11 месяцев назад +9

      That is false, Wankel engines operate very poorly on gaseous fuels like Propane and hydrogen, they also lack the higher static compression ratios needed to extract the energy from gas fuel efficiently.

    • @WilhelmKarsten
      @WilhelmKarsten 11 месяцев назад +4

      Please do not post false and misleading comments on a topic that you are clearly not qualified to discuss.
      The optimal fuel for Wankel engines has always been gasoline.
      Wankel engines are proven to be less efficient and unsuitable for alternative fuels

    • @Colt45hatchback
      @Colt45hatchback 11 месяцев назад

      While i have no personal experience, an old man who lived nearby to me when i was a kid had an autocross car, a mazda rx4 sedan running on lpg/propane, it also had the 'upper cylinder lubricant' injection system from a piston engined lpg car, but he used to put two stroke oil in it instead. That already old and neglected rx4 spent every weekend thrashing around autocross tracks right up untill 2009 without the engine being rebuilt, it only got replaced with a mazda mx5 once the rx4 was worth enough money that even in its rusty, beat up but mechanically still running state, it was then worth more than a stock na mx5, so he sold it and got an na mx5.
      He said the secret to its reliability was to start it in the morning and not turn it off till you were ready to put it back on the trailer in the evening. It was quite smokey when i last saw it. But it did still start relatively easily.

    • @sandervanderkammen9230
      @sandervanderkammen9230 11 месяцев назад

      @@Colt45hatchback Sounds like a batty old crackpot... sounds like the silly nonsense that happens in backwards country

  • @cosmo_daft
    @cosmo_daft 11 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you for your work, comrade!)) Спасибо!

  • @josega6338
    @josega6338 11 месяцев назад +10

    USSR had stolen Wankel patents? For sure, you need a license for series production, but this is perhaps not so sure for prototyping.
    Patents expiry date is 20 years after publication.
    NSU patents of the unpractical original motor by Felix Wankel came around 1957...
    Wankel RCE has enough with an 80 RON fuel.
    Blessings +

    • @sandervanderkammen9230
      @sandervanderkammen9230 11 месяцев назад +2

      No, East German company IFA became a NSU-Wankel licensee in 1965

    • @josega6338
      @josega6338 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@sandervanderkammen9230 Well, even if DDR was under USSR surveillance, the 'Einheit' day a group of Germans, drunk with beer, assaulted the soviet political police in Dresden, Putin, in command of that police station, went out, and shot in the air with a pistol. DDR no longer existed, the political police office of Putin was illegal, this was an attack to the sovereign German Federal State, but attempt of NATO to build a puppet state in Ukraine, and seize Sebastopol, the russian Pearl Harbor, is worse.
      Soviets may have purchased a Wankel license, but East Germany and soviet companies are different.
      License to russians is not license to East Germans, but Lada could contract development of their Wankel license with Germans.
      Statement that Wankel license was stolen is an slander, specially as no series production of Wankel seems existed in USSR.
      Blessings +

    • @WilhelmKarsten
      @WilhelmKarsten 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@josega6338Much in the same way Northern Ireland is not an independent country East Germany was a territory that was part of Russia under the USSR government.

    • @josega6338
      @josega6338 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@WilhelmKarsten Northern Ireland is a part of Irish land seized by britons, UK is a nation having too many peculiarities, they had a woman as head of church, 'bishopess', banned in Saint Paul letters.
      The anglican church killed more catholic, for religious reasons, several hundred, than nazis in Poland, 108, and is very dubious reason for executions in Poland was purely religious; giving help to an enemy during a war is a criminal offense everytime, everyplace.
      In the conflict of Thomas Beckett with UK civilian authority, the King, in last times, the only disagreement Beckett kept was the church having the right to judge common criminal offenses by clergymen.
      Stupid, and against all law principles.
      Beckett was wrong.
      When UK joined EU, they were forced to derogate the british rules about contracts of sailors in merchant ships, it was considered some kind of slavery.
      I'd say 'Brexit' came from the desire of british industrials and traders to get rid of laws they thought reduced their competitivity, also not to give Europeans a control on them, felt as a reduction in sovereignty.
      Their choice of 'solo economy' is not viable; simply, they are on their shortcut to bankruptcy, today, no way back.
      Ukraine is part of Russia, that was founded there, Kiev is to Russia what Covadonga is to. Spain.
      Zelenski was criminal from start, they could never win the war against Russia, with or without the KGB agent Putin in Moscow, with or without the hebrew loans to purchase weapons elsewhere, same as protection to Zyon, the US govt debt will be filled in with loans, hebrew, in a monopoly financial business situation, instead of paying US armed forces for protection, will get money from US to cover debt.
      Devilish absurd!
      Being fed up of being misspised, zyonists claim.
      There are two serious hurdles to peace and development there: Holodomor Zelenski, he deserves execution, as Germans attempted Killing Adolf Hitler; and the temple of Lenin in Moscow.
      Sebastopol is the Russian equivalent to Pearl Harbor. When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, Hawaii was not an State in USA.
      Northern Ireland is a land seized with tirany and held with despotism, Ireland will go back to the Irish for the simple reason republican catholics have more kids than lutheran unionists, in the end they'll win elections.

    • @АртурАгафонов-ш3ц
      @АртурАгафонов-ш3ц 10 месяцев назад +2

      no stolen, but USSR bought patents

  • @elvine2149
    @elvine2149 11 месяцев назад +2

    The fun facts is that the Lada Samara with Rotary engine was pretended to run in Group B rally but the group B ended...

  • @LeonmitchelliGalette
    @LeonmitchelliGalette 10 месяцев назад +3

    The country that by that time had developed industry and engineering. It had a history of creating any kind of engine. Sophisticated radial engines, oposite engines, all sorts of configurations of two and four-stroke engines. Jet engines of all types, from airplane engines to tank engines. There were experiments on atomic engines and hydrogen engines. Various electric motors of all colors and sizes were used in industry. Sophisticated rocket engines were being developed and built.
    And then comes the concept of a simple internal combustion engine - well, no, of course they stole it, reverse-engineered it and copied it!

    • @rzhevsky4934
      @rzhevsky4934 10 месяцев назад +3

      Что поделать, британская пропаганда...

  • @michaelguerin56
    @michaelguerin56 11 месяцев назад +2

    Interesting video. Thank you.

  • @technicbuilder6410
    @technicbuilder6410 8 месяцев назад

    Russian civilian: "why does that black Vaz sound different than mine?"
    KGB: "all Vazs sound exactly the same"

  • @jacksrandomadventures2769
    @jacksrandomadventures2769 11 месяцев назад +7

    "check out my engine.."
    ......."our engine"

  • @Ian-bq7gp
    @Ian-bq7gp 4 месяца назад

    The cr700 motorbike gives 240 bhp. Weighs 120kg. So fast and done by Brian Crighton the genius who made those 588cc norton rotarys that raced with great success including winning the british superbike serirs around 1990

  • @l0I0I0I0
    @l0I0I0I0 11 месяцев назад +3

    Interesting! Ty

  • @JohnnyAFG81
    @JohnnyAFG81 11 месяцев назад +3

    Nothing surprises me any more with the Soviet Union. Those rotaries would have not lived long in the subzero temperatures!

  • @fungo6631
    @fungo6631 10 месяцев назад +6

    Rotary engines get significant reliability improvements if you run them with two stroke fuel.

    • @sandervanderkammen9230
      @sandervanderkammen9230 10 месяцев назад

      That is completely false and a blatant lie.
      Wankel engines are inherently unreliable and are less durable than reciprocating engines.
      Nothing you can do will change this fact.

  • @Antanix
    @Antanix 10 месяцев назад +1

    You forgot two Soviet Wankel motorcycles - VNII-Motoprom/Dnepr and Izh Vega.

  • @StellarGale
    @StellarGale 10 месяцев назад +1

    Small correction tho, ZMZ 5.5 V8 was cast aluminum, not iron

  • @joehoover7711
    @joehoover7711 10 месяцев назад +1

    @visioracer hey did you or anyone notice at 8:09 there is a FKN huge meter wide rotary there putting an eccentric shaft in. Literally a rotor. Meter wide.... We need info!!!!!!!!

    • @WilhelmKarsten
      @WilhelmKarsten 10 месяцев назад +2

      INGERSOLL-RAND pipeline compressor engine

  • @NameDDD
    @NameDDD 8 месяцев назад +1

    0:09 - in USSR there were NO powerfull cars. People drove only Lada, MOSKVICH, ZAZ and Volga. Such cars as Mercedes or Buick owned only some Soviet famous sportsmans or artists.

  • @P7777-u7r
    @P7777-u7r 11 месяцев назад +1

    Western oils couldn't even do 10,000km between oil changes back then not even in regular piston engines. I don't know if the USSR had lower quality engine oil

  • @mzossi3334
    @mzossi3334 11 месяцев назад +1

    In the GDR MZ built an Wankel Motorbike Engine,but only as Prototyp Yo can see it in the MZ Museum Castle Augustusburg Near Chemnitz/Saxon/Germany.

  • @WhyAreYouMakingMeSad
    @WhyAreYouMakingMeSad 3 месяца назад

    Хочу сделать замечание, блок двигателя змз v8 5.5 был отлит из Алюминия не из чугуна. Единственное что там было чугунное это гильзы.

  • @dunsbroccoli2588
    @dunsbroccoli2588 8 месяцев назад

    Who needs torque or reliability when it sounds cool

  • @igostupidfast3
    @igostupidfast3 10 месяцев назад +1

    Finally a video on Soviet Wankels

  • @Oberon_Boost
    @Oberon_Boost 11 месяцев назад +5

    USSR stole wankel for KGB? Seriously?
    USSR did a first flight to space.

  • @chuckselvage3157
    @chuckselvage3157 9 месяцев назад

    Those things would rev so hard they even tried to market a Holden Kingswood in Japan with a Wankel engine 😂 it was called the Roadmaster or something like that.

  • @NotSanakan
    @NotSanakan 10 месяцев назад

    Ха, у коллеги как раз "догоняйка" таким двигателем. Вжаривает будь здоров.

  • @fidelcatsro6948
    @fidelcatsro6948 11 месяцев назад

    sounds like a Yamaha 2stroke dirt bike on 4wheels and a roof!

  • @nathandevine552
    @nathandevine552 11 месяцев назад

    I seem to remember a little reservoir for antifreeze something to do with cold starts?

  • @tomaszdudek8090
    @tomaszdudek8090 11 месяцев назад

    Lepienie cegieł.
    To szacunek do życia.
    Tak w życiu jest.
    Ślubowanie w drugiej kolejności.Dzięki Bogu.

  • @gingernutpreacher
    @gingernutpreacher 11 месяцев назад

    They just make lada Riva's wheel spin monsters. Sticking genuine Webber carb's or even 40's dcoe or a single 45 shared between the 4 cilnders would of been better

  • @awdrifter3394
    @awdrifter3394 10 месяцев назад

    They should bring it back. Make a rotary that uses natural gas since now they can't sell that to the EU.
    4:39 12k miles rebuild sounds about right? Because the early rotary are basically like a 2 stroke engine right, they need to use premixed gas for lubrication.

    • @WilhelmKarsten
      @WilhelmKarsten 10 месяцев назад

      WHY? the Wankel engine is obsolete technology.
      Wankel engines cannot support the higher static compression ratio needed to run on Natural gas efficiently.
      All Wankel engines operate using the 4-stroke principle, oil injection is superior to premixing

  • @ladanivadriver1578
    @ladanivadriver1578 10 месяцев назад

    If only I could find one or a fiat 2.0 twin cam lol

  • @pauliewalnuts240
    @pauliewalnuts240 11 месяцев назад +4

    "We will waste no rubles inventing new technology. Instead, we copy design from other countries"
    The soviet motto

  • @kolyak49
    @kolyak49 10 месяцев назад +2

    Чувак, советский союз первым запустил спутник на орбиту, первым запустил и приземлил животное и человека, первые фото обратной стороны луны сделал, спустил туда луноход, на Венеру дрон спустил, космическую станцию на околоземную орбиту запустил и запустил дрон на Марс. Это было государство которое могло все. 40% самолетов в небе были советского производства. Роторный двигатель делали сами. Идея ничего не стоит. Решает исполнение.

    • @otofoto
      @otofoto 10 месяцев назад

      And stole Concorde to be first.
      But never managed to produce toilet paper or decent cars 😂

  • @Pierredorado300
    @Pierredorado300 10 месяцев назад

    I used to have a RX-7 1981 with the 12A engine.. loved that car man!

  • @АгронДепартье
    @АгронДепартье 11 месяцев назад

    But did they register the patent in Eastern Block ? No patent, no license...

  • @Damien.D
    @Damien.D 11 месяцев назад +2

    Never knew soviets jumped on this farting boondoggle of an engine, following the madman path of Citroen (which also produced an helicopter that was so unreliable it was not allowed to fly).

    • @KitKitChanIsaac
      @KitKitChanIsaac 11 месяцев назад +3

      Hater detected

    • @sandervanderkammen9230
      @sandervanderkammen9230 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@KitKitChanIsaac*Rotard detected*

    • @KitKitChanIsaac
      @KitKitChanIsaac 11 месяцев назад

      @@sandervanderkammen9230 Respect the rotary.

    • @sandervanderkammen9230
      @sandervanderkammen9230 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@KitKitChanIsaac FYI: the Wankel engine is inherently unreliable, obsolete technology and the biggest failure in the history of the engine manufacturing industry

    • @WilhelmKarsten
      @WilhelmKarsten 11 месяцев назад

      Wankel engines are so horribly unreliable that the cannot be used in any certified passenger aircraft.

  • @Gulitize
    @Gulitize 10 месяцев назад

    is the sound mixing always so bad, I know that sound is a big appeal, but the badly mixed audio makes the video unwatchable for me.

  • @marklittle8805
    @marklittle8805 11 месяцев назад +2

    Until this day I had no idea the USSR had Rotary Engines. It isn't a shocker that a) they stole it and B) had issues with Apex seals and the poorer quality fuel

    • @rzhevsky4934
      @rzhevsky4934 10 месяцев назад +3

      А что такого? Когда у нас воровали изобретения, это никому не казалось ужасным

    • @marklittle8805
      @marklittle8805 10 месяцев назад

      @@rzhevsky4934 what inventions? As for stolen, when is that ever right?

    • @rzhevsky4934
      @rzhevsky4934 10 месяцев назад

      @@marklittle8805 например, лампу накаливания изобрёл инженер Лодыгин в 1870 году, однако в англоязычных странах автором считается Эдисон. В России все, кто по профессии связан с электротехникой знает об изобретении Лодыгина, однако на Западе скрывают эту информацию от людей. Подобных примеров множество; большинство открытий и разработок, которые вы считаете "своими", создали люди из совершенно других стран

    • @otofoto
      @otofoto 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@marklittle8805 France stole Concorde 😂

  • @zer00rdie
    @zer00rdie 10 месяцев назад

    Sovjet Engineering, steal everything, then make an half arsed effort to replicate.

  • @joehoover7711
    @joehoover7711 10 месяцев назад

    @robdahm yo bro.... Check out 8:09. Its a meter wide rotor and 5ft eccentric shaft!!!!!

  • @TakanashiAme
    @TakanashiAme 10 месяцев назад

    Les mecs ont volé Wankil pour le KGB, quelle triste époque

  • @Iowa599
    @Iowa599 11 месяцев назад +2

    I'm suprised they didn't take Felix Wankel.

    • @fidelcatsro6948
      @fidelcatsro6948 11 месяцев назад

      sounds like a cartoon character of feline catus origin 🐱👍🏿

    • @sandervanderkammen9230
      @sandervanderkammen9230 11 месяцев назад +1

      Felix Wankel despised this POS engine

  • @atlanko1
    @atlanko1 10 месяцев назад

    Just as Wankel drew it, Mazda and Autovaz produced it. Many dimensions are common on these engines, even interchangeable parts. However, Mazda went ahead and tried to solve the seals. So claim who developed the engine - wankel

    • @WilhelmKarsten
      @WilhelmKarsten 10 месяцев назад

      Felix Wankel hated this inferior engine, the KKM57 was designed by Hanns Paschke and Walter Frode.
      All 26 manufacturers licensed the KKM57 from _NSU Motornwerkes GmbH_ they all received the same data package and sample engines.

  • @ИванДунин-т7и
    @ИванДунин-т7и 10 месяцев назад

    Why u think kgb is not the part of japan, europe and usa?

  • @PaulG.x
    @PaulG.x 11 месяцев назад +3

    The general public didn't generally have cars in the USSR . in 1985 private vehicle ownership was 45 cars per 1000 people

  • @capnemo6576
    @capnemo6576 10 месяцев назад +1

    Americans still.
    Russians buying.

  • @francotirador7265
    @francotirador7265 11 месяцев назад +1

    I'd like to see a Rotary Diesel. Is it possible ?

    • @goosenotmaverick1156
      @goosenotmaverick1156 11 месяцев назад +2

      I don't think the effective compression ratio required would be possible.

    • @Buzdu22
      @Buzdu22 11 месяцев назад +1

      Rolls-Royce apparently built diesel Wankels... RR gave up on the rotary, same as all but Mazda

    • @fidelcatsro6948
      @fidelcatsro6948 11 месяцев назад

      sure you can!

    • @user-wn3ww5lw5j
      @user-wn3ww5lw5j 11 месяцев назад

      These things aren’t event reliable as petrol 😂

    • @TheLaXandro
      @TheLaXandro 11 месяцев назад

      Wankels' compression is fundamentally limited by rotor geometry. A piston engine can have infinite compression if it wants to, but a wankel can not, and even if it could, wankels' core issue are the seals.

  • @Huiok-k4p
    @Huiok-k4p 10 месяцев назад

    Я работаю в КГБ у нас такие сашины

  • @ahtheh
    @ahtheh 11 месяцев назад

    Dorito

  • @vladimirnaydyonov
    @vladimirnaydyonov 10 месяцев назад

    *Зачем КГБ такие моторы и такие автомобили❓🤔*

  • @mikethespike7579
    @mikethespike7579 10 месяцев назад

    Using the word "liquidated" for a former soviet company sounds a bit too ominous for my tastes.

  • @JohnSmith-lf4be
    @JohnSmith-lf4be 10 месяцев назад

    They sabotaged themselves

  • @tirebiter1680
    @tirebiter1680 11 месяцев назад

    They could have it!

  • @ThePontiacgto65
    @ThePontiacgto65 11 месяцев назад +1

    VisioRacer you are a spy for having so much data on all types of engines 😁Maybe they also copied the Citroën M35 version and especially the twin rotor GS but the powers without turbo seem very important perhaps an exaggeration for Soviet propaganda

    • @Senezhperformance
      @Senezhperformance 10 месяцев назад

      How could they use specs of militia-special cars for propaganda lol

  • @Xayuap
    @Xayuap 11 месяцев назад

    no, thank you 1:58

  • @ZokiDobrojevic
    @ZokiDobrojevic 8 месяцев назад

    Да . И Руси су усавршили ротакс мотор . Од ванкеловог мотора остала је само концепција мотора .
    Сада уместо овалног цилиндра и троугластог клипа има овални клип .
    Тиме су побољшани многи недостаци ванкел мотора .

    • @sandervanderkammen9230
      @sandervanderkammen9230 7 месяцев назад

      Rotax GmbH. is a formerly German company (Sachs) now based in Austria..

  • @AHotkovo
    @AHotkovo 11 месяцев назад

    Like from Russia

  • @traxtortibidoxtor8032
    @traxtortibidoxtor8032 11 месяцев назад

    Интересно)

  • @andrewsmart2949
    @andrewsmart2949 11 месяцев назад

    i wonder if eamon hurley knew about the soviet 3 and 4 rotor engines when he started making them from 12A's he had from converting NSU's to 4cyl engines,he nearly died when his rotor powered drag race motorcycle crashed

  • @andyharman3022
    @andyharman3022 11 месяцев назад +2

    7:27 Great Soviet thinking: If you have an unsuccessful car engine, just make it an aircraft engine! No danger there.
    The engine was obviously a ripoff of Mazda's engine.

    • @Damien.D
      @Damien.D 11 месяцев назад

      Citroen did the very same before, after failing at producing a wankel powered car, they've built an helicopter that was legally not allowed to fly.

    • @sandervanderkammen9230
      @sandervanderkammen9230 11 месяцев назад

      Mazda purchased the technology from NSU Motorenwerke GmbH.
      Who invented the Wankel KKM design

    • @andyharman3022
      @andyharman3022 11 месяцев назад

      @@sandervanderkammen9230 Mazda's first successful engine was basically a scaled-down Curtiss-Wright RC2-60. Curtiss-Wright was Wankel's first licensee in 1958.

    • @sandervanderkammen9230
      @sandervanderkammen9230 11 месяцев назад

      @@andyharman3022 No, Mazda became a NSU-Wankel KKM57 licensee in 1960.
      Mazdas first Wankel engine was the NSU KKM400 (Mazda 400 [ aka 40A ])

    • @sandervanderkammen9230
      @sandervanderkammen9230 11 месяцев назад

      @@andyharman3022 The RC2-60 is a massive 6.0 liter engine (tax displacement 2.0 liters same as the Mazda 20B)
      Mazda's 400 (40A) was a tiny 2.3 liter (772cc's tax displacement)
      Same as the NSU KKM400.

  • @stevenkerry3101
    @stevenkerry3101 11 месяцев назад +1

    they burn out tips and use engine oil nice vid 👍👍

    • @fidelcatsro6948
      @fidelcatsro6948 11 месяцев назад +1

      16litres to 100km and a lifespan of 50,000km if you lucky

  • @infernoking7504
    @infernoking7504 11 месяцев назад +2

    Wanker engines is what I call them.

  • @hyper8545
    @hyper8545 11 месяцев назад

    Were they to poor to turbo them tho 😅😅😅

  • @АртурАгафонов-ш3ц
    @АртурАгафонов-ш3ц 10 месяцев назад

    about the Soviet rotor is a separate story of failure (because they were in a hurry and did not listen to the specialists from the Mazda company and State Research Center "NAMI")

    • @WilhelmKarsten
      @WilhelmKarsten 10 месяцев назад

      Mazda was not licensed to export the technology

  • @uwu3130
    @uwu3130 11 месяцев назад

    cool :3

  • @superliegebeest544
    @superliegebeest544 10 месяцев назад

    Eastern Europeans where ahead at the time. Even Suzuki stole their tech to win motorbike races. To be honest everybody always makes fun or Russia or eastern European brands. But tatra outoes any other brand truck wise. The Russians have way better rockets. And are not less technically than the west. Still up to day they use ak47. Wich is a copy from the German surmgewher yes. But it still kills.

  • @donaldshidal851
    @donaldshidal851 11 месяцев назад

    A stolen Japanese engine design in a faux Fiat: brilliant

  • @xartpant
    @xartpant 10 месяцев назад

    So you imply KGB commited a crime?

  • @festungkurland9804
    @festungkurland9804 11 месяцев назад

    LMAO, NOW WE KNOW WHY THE SOVIET UNION FAILED BBC FER LIFE GOBBLESS

  • @100pyatt
    @100pyatt 10 месяцев назад +1

    Liquid Piston has a Far Far better design than the Mazda Wankel

    • @WilhelmKarsten
      @WilhelmKarsten 10 месяцев назад

      Beware of LiquidPiston it is not a legitimate company and is a investment scam

  • @nlpnt
    @nlpnt 10 месяцев назад

    Law enforcement always *prefers* to have faster cars than the general public, but that doesn't mean they should *get* them. For instance IMO the Explorer Police Interceptor should be limited to a 4-cylinder nonturbo engine for durablilty and low operating costs, because the Detroit 3 treat turbochargers as service items and Ford pulls dumbshit like putting the water pump in the valley of their V-engines so when they fail they dump coolant straight into the cylinders. A nonturbo inline 4 avoids those issues simply, elegantly, and (in a heavy big CUV) slowly.

    • @WilhelmKarsten
      @WilhelmKarsten 10 месяцев назад

      "Detroit 3" ?

    • @Galfrid
      @Galfrid 9 месяцев назад

      American automobile manufacturers stationed in Detroit: Chrysler, Ford, General Motors

    • @WilhelmKarsten
      @WilhelmKarsten 9 месяцев назад

      @@Galfrid The Chrysler Corporation no longer exists, it's just the "Big 2" now, Ford and GM... unless you count Tesla?

  • @ClwnJuNkY
    @ClwnJuNkY 11 месяцев назад

    My cars that I have owned that have had rotarys have been more reliable than alot of postion engines .

    • @WilhelmKarsten
      @WilhelmKarsten 11 месяцев назад

      You must have owned some really bad piston engines..
      Wankels are inherently unreliable and less durable than reciprocating engines

  • @Felix-fy7ki
    @Felix-fy7ki 11 месяцев назад

    The Soviets never even managed to produce proper bearings or pistons, how should they have been able to produce reliable Wankel engines? Even German Wankel engines were not reliable at this time!

    • @WilhelmKarsten
      @WilhelmKarsten 11 месяцев назад

      No one has ever made a reliable Wankel engine that produces any significant horsepower...
      Apex seals are fatally flawed by design.

    • @otofoto
      @otofoto 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@WilhelmKarsten Seals are not issue. Trying to seal exhaust and intake at the same block is a problem because of thermal issues.

    • @WilhelmKarsten
      @WilhelmKarsten 10 месяцев назад

      @@otofoto Yes, it is. Apex seals are the primary failure mode of all Wankel engines.
      This is the result of ablative and high brisance damage that is directly linked to the combustion chamber architecture and its low combustion efficiency, erratic and unstable flame propagation.
      Any questions?

    • @otofoto
      @otofoto 10 месяцев назад

      @@WilhelmKarsten Yes. Simply such seals are impossible to design.

    • @WilhelmKarsten
      @WilhelmKarsten 10 месяцев назад

      @@otofoto Correct, no one has ever found a good solution to this problem, the geometry of the combustion chamber and the seals is fixed and cannot be changed.
      This are inherent flaws in the fundamental concept of the Wankel engine

  • @jpwheel8999
    @jpwheel8999 11 месяцев назад

    Wankel

  • @rjung_ch
    @rjung_ch 11 месяцев назад

    👍💪✌

  • @applejuice5272
    @applejuice5272 11 месяцев назад

    Wankel
    hehehehehehehe

  • @Eunos_FD3S
    @Eunos_FD3S 10 месяцев назад

    As a Rotary owner I’d say the USSR is top tier troll for doing this. These engine are bad, cool, but bad.

  • @chelarestelar
    @chelarestelar 11 месяцев назад +1

    Bababooey

  • @aquilaaudax6033
    @aquilaaudax6033 11 месяцев назад

    ✋🏼🇦🇺👍🏼

  • @marcosmartinez7788
    @marcosmartinez7788 13 дней назад

    Stolen from Japanese 😂😂😂 masda rotative cars

  • @chesspiece81
    @chesspiece81 11 месяцев назад +4

    So even the Russians couldn't get it to work. A rotary engine is an interesting novelty but not very efficient or reliable.

    • @vvevvevvvv
      @vvevvevvvv 11 месяцев назад +11

      Plenty reliable and arguably a better engine for racing purposes. And wtf, why russians should make it work? Can they even make their Ladas work properly?

    • @m1sst4k37
      @m1sst4k37 11 месяцев назад +6

      @@vvevvevvvv thousands of ladas is driving to this day
      Later lada wankels made 135hp - this is the same power that fuel injected 13B made, altough lada wankel had one small carburetor from 70hp engine

    • @vvevvevvvv
      @vvevvevvvv 11 месяцев назад +5

      @@m1sst4k37 they drive to this day because there's nothing else to buy in russia and quite a lot have been made. Ladas are badly made, unreliable and rusting away very very quickly. I have driven a couple of them. Only proper thing russians have done to them is they welded rear diff and started to drift them on ice.

    • @quan-uo5ws
      @quan-uo5ws 11 месяцев назад +12

      @@vvevvevvvv "nothing else to buy in russia" tell me you know nothing without telling me you know nothing

    • @vvevvevvvv
      @vvevvevvvv 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@quan-uo5ws ever heard of war which russia started recently? How car manufacturers abandoned/sold their businesses in russia? The only new cars you can buy there are Chinese or grey import through Kazakhstan or Belarus which are overpriced?
      Now, you better don't answer to my comment.

  • @upsidedowndog1256
    @upsidedowndog1256 11 месяцев назад +3

    Real cool video! The Soviets had a colorful history of stealing ideas from elsewhere. The Ladas were basically Fiats, the Concordsky, and the Space Shuttlesky are obvious other stolen designs. Their military aircraft were, however, quite good and unique. Many came from the Ukraine.

    • @ЗубнаяПаста-т6н
      @ЗубнаяПаста-т6н 11 месяцев назад +19

      Lada was a licensed version of Fiat with many improvements for operation in the USSR. So there was no theft in this case

    • @Random-nf7qb
      @Random-nf7qb 11 месяцев назад +9

      ​@@ЗубнаяПаста-т6нThere's no theft at all.
      Only the ZiS and the Moskvich 400 can be argued.
      The rest may have some exterior design similarities, but not one has a copied mechanical part.
      Any foreign technology was paid for and licensed.

    • @kristoffer3000
      @kristoffer3000 11 месяцев назад

      Got a source for that absolute drivel? They didn't steal a damn thing.

    • @upsidedowndog1256
      @upsidedowndog1256 11 месяцев назад

      @@ЗубнаяПаста-т6н
      Improvementskys!

    • @Amy-dq2lg
      @Amy-dq2lg 11 месяцев назад +11

      The concordsky actually entered operation before the concorde

  • @raitshots
    @raitshots 11 месяцев назад

    Copy original Japan Mazda project .

    • @sandervanderkammen9230
      @sandervanderkammen9230 11 месяцев назад +4

      No, Mazda purchased the Wankel from NSU Motorenwerke GmbH. In Germany, they invented the KKM57 engine