Final Day Preview: Who will win the Premier League?
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- The Premier League campaign comes to an end on Sunday, where a topsy turvy title race has come down to the final day. Man City take on West Ham and Arsenal are up against Everton at home, with Guardiola's side in the driving seat. Will Man City get over the finish line and become the first ever side to win the Premier League four consecutive times?
The race for Europe reaches its finale where Tottenham, Newcastle & Chelsea are all battling for a spot. The guests also take a look back at the season and look at who may have underachieved in the Premier League this year.
Adam Leventhal is joined by The Athletic's Jon Mackenzie & Tim Spiers to highlight their favourite moments and look ahead to the last fixtures of 23/24 season.
00:00 Intro
03:28 The title race
16:12 European spots still up for grabs
18:08 Postecoglou at Tottenham
27:09 Man United and the squad
29:19 The Athletic 23/24 awards
29:37 VAR
36:15 Underachievers in the Premier League
38:15 Best signing in the Premier League?
38:33 Funniest moment of the season?
39:17 Outro
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It's quite disappointing to hear The Athletic (& Jon MacKenzie) parrot Man City's disingenuous "it's not the money, it's the talent/quality" line. No one disputes how brilliant Pep or these players are or thinks they're not hard-working, gifted people. The point is they were able to recruit best-in-class across the board (squad, technical and management team) by breaching FFP & spending obscene amounts of money.
It’s called business investment mate when Man U was borrowing money from the bank and spending left and right, you guys don’t complain. . They bought all the best players around the world by borrow money from the bank .
Also at the behest of an unscrupulous despotic sportswashing regime.
Your narrative is so base and boring. Give it a rest.
Also paying and flying refs and hotels in Dubai throughout the season.
Never having a var or ref costing them wins. The opposite refs/var have won them points. They could win the league every year for the rest of the decade
It's also hilarious how so many people really believe City players are earning only as much as they reveal to the public. Like yeah they have no history or culture, play in a city that has historically been a deterrent to sign players but they also somehow manage to recruit the best players in the world to play for them at similar salaries to every other CL club and lower salaries on average than RM and Barca and also prevent their players from being poached by them 😂 yeah sure
"regardless of the moral scruples" - nice one.
I have nothing but respect and admiration for Pep Guardiola as a manager and for the team that he has put together; I'm just sick and tired of their dominance and I find them boring, robotic, lethargic, uninspiring and unexciting. There's nothing natural or organic about them, and it's virtually impossible to compete with them when they can decide to bench, or even get rid of a £50M player (and that's being conservative) if they decide they're not for them. Very few, if any, other clubs have that luxury. For Arsenal to have taken this year's title race to the final day is an unbelievable achievement, and anyone who sees us not winning the title as a "failure" or a "bottle job" is either brainwashed by the shit stirring, attention seeking, agenda based pundits out there, or just click baiting for their channel.
The 115 charges looming over them, however, massively taint how I feel about them as a club. I have to be honest about that. As of the time of this post, there have been no official convictions, but there's no smoke without fire. You can pull 1 or 2 charges out of thin air and just make those up, but not 115.
Thanks for the clichés. There's no smoke without fire. Yeah that should hold. Up in a court. Fuk me.
You spoke my mind almost word for word except for the referee bias protecting man city
In a less conservative sport than association football it might be easier to do, but let's suppose it's possible: what rule changes would you implement to change the 'winning formula' for football? I mean, Manchester City (and other clubs) won't play a different style if it doesn't work, but if the rules change that might encourage a different manner of play.
City play plenty of exciting innovative football, I would suggest alot more than Arsenal and against many sides who PTB (like Arsenal at The Etihad- was that the best AFC could do?). It's just easy for people to gloss over this or pretend otherwise. Regarding the 115 'charges' do some research and you will see they are contrived and brought under an unaccountable and regularly changing set of internal rules. It's not based on real law which tends to develop whereas this is bureaucrats adapting on the hop. Do you actually trust the framework of 'law' meddling with Everton, Forest or City?
For the record, I LOVE the fixture formation idea that Adam brought this season. Please keep this going next season as well.
Underrated manager Sean Dyche, safely afloat despite all the chaos
Tim Spiers reminds me of Gale from Breaking Bad
He and Jon bonded over their passion for coffee. Jon is Heisenberg in this scenario. A scary thought.
4:37 the sass killed me 😂😂
Wait a minute. Are we criticizing Ange for what he said? Didn't Pep have a swing on City fans for mocking the UCL? And look where they are now.
Your take on United and Bruno is once again atrocious. Hated, adored, but never ignored UTFR 👺🔴
"If city go 2 up in twenty minutes it'll probably feel like a party atmosphere at the Emirates" - football analyst Jon MacKenzie
Great to see Jon "on the beach" Mackenzie coming off the beach to help out on the podcast
Klopp's having won one title would be a ding against him if Liverpool had won literally any other EPL titles... but they haven't. Hell, you could argue that aside from 13/14, before Klopp arrived Liverpool were an upper midtable side and had been for a long time (aside from 13/14).
In the seven years before Klopp's first full season, Liverpool finished outside of the UCL spots 6 times. The one exception was 13/14. They missed Europe altogether 3 out of 7 campaigns. For comparison, Arsenal went also 6 seasons without the UCL (consecutively in their case) but two of those campaigns were full campaigns under Arteta. Klopp got Liverpool from 8th in his partial season to fourth in his first full campaign.
That being said, I do think Klopp's reputation is a little exaggerated. The reality is that in the Klopp era, Liverpool only have 3 top 2 finishes (out of 7 full campaigns). The idea of Klopp and Guardiola as two titans struggling for the title with everyone else looking on is a myth that serves to elevate Klopp's reputation somewhat. For comparison, City have, during Klopp's reign, 6 out of 7 possible top two finishes. The problem isn't necessarily the conclusion (Klopp is overrated), the problem is the argument used to justify it (he has only one title) just totally ignores the context of where Liverpool were when Klopp came in.
Fully agree with this take. Quite balanced and addresses both sides of the argument really well.
I also believe Klopp is leaving Liverpool at the perfect time. It was quite clear at the beginning of his tenure that the recruitment at the club was predominantly directed by the recruitment team without the manager having a lot of input himself (their most successful era) with them slowly transitioning into a setup where Klopp had more of a say in the signings and there were a lot more misses than before. Now they've got Edwards back in the recruitment side of things and will probably go back to more of a head coach model which probably will facilitate the transition quite well
Adam doing very well covering the blocking from his guests! 'do you have those(the drawing) stats? 😂
Do these guests hate him?!
Bruno is more trouble than he is worth? Easily the worst take on this podcast
When it comes to VAR, most of the arguments I've heard are actually saying we should change the rules, rather than against VAR itself. If a tiny offside upsets you, that means you disagree with the offside rule, not with the VAR. Of course the arguments regarding confusion about decisions, on-pitch vs VAR authority, and overturning decisions are valid and separate from that.
This Bruno Fernandes analysis is so so lazy. If anybody has watched him this season they'd know that he's the one who's been controlling games for United. Why is it that the same accusations are not thrown at de bruyne when he loses the ball 30 times a game
He is and has been uniteds best player by a country mile for about 7 years . There's a reason the real fans shout Bruno Bruno
KDB is in a different class to the bad tempered and petulant Fernandes. But here's the thing, over the decades you see Fernandes temperament is emblematic of United more generally.
@@David-qj2iu This is a Twitter opinion, stay there you incel
Why is no one talking about Sean Dyche? Bro had so many problems this season and still avoided relegation and killed Liverpools chance of winning the league
Congratulations Adam in the fwa award
Cole Palmer signing of the season
calling Klopp overrated is fairly myopic, considering football’s cultural relevance and contributions. maybe his results may make his importance seem inflated, but its pretty obvious that folks of all different club allegiances candidly speak about the Klopp’s era as a net-positive for the spirit of the sport. to garner the respect of swathes of different fans is impressive, especially in such a competitive league. And no doubt Klopp earned the respect too, just by showing up with a fighting spirit every week.
and i say all this as a gooner!!!!!
COYG!
What are we gonna do for the next 3 months.. 😢 need a break but then will have withdrawal symptoms.
Btw congratulations to Jon Mack on his big Hollywood break - Tifo's Wrexham vid featured in the latest episode of Welcome to Wrexham
As a spurs fan who listened to tim on the VFTL podcast I am disappointed with his spurs slander
Not wrong though is he?
I didn't agree with everything he said. He came across as rather arrogant
Here's a controversial shout. I think Manchester United are this seasons biggest OVERachievers. I think 8th and an FA Cup final is extremely flattering for them. They were very lucky to get by Coventry in the semi-final and in the league they have been outplayed in the majority of their games and didn't deserve anything but came away with a point or 3 e.g Wolves (H), Bournemouth (A), Everton (H), Forest (H), Sheffield (A). They have just been very fortunate with decisions, opposition blunders and moments of individual quality. The table in order of expected points has them around 13th.
But if you consider the amount they spend on wages (which I think there have been quite a few models that show that typically the wages correlate to league position) and the fact they finished 3rd and reached two cup finals last season they've underachieved. They've been one of the most fortunate teams though like you say.
In terms of under or over achieving it's a bit weird how expectations change throughout the season like Spurs fans are unhappy because of the end of the season but 5th at the start would have been seen as good and a team like Wolves were 4th favourites for relegation at the start of the season so they've massively overachieved compared to pre-season predictions
@@mauddib1761Just to clear it up:
You are talking about two different kinds of 'overachieving'. The comment above is about the correlation between performances and results. Which is why United is brought up as they've overperformed their expected points.
Whereas you're talking about the expectations of the team, based on things like history, wages etc. Where a team like Aston Villa will have overachieved this season.
Nah man, it’s Aston Villa. They return to UCL and prevented Arsenal’s title
@@JFriisN Exactly yes. If you look at the size of the club, players, wages etc they have definitely underachieved their expectations.
But I am talking about their performances this season on the pitch. 8th is def an overachievement. They should have finished bottom half probably.
Gway u absolute fckning Whopper!
Couldn't agree more about offside. Who cares? If a linesman cant notice it then it's not giving an advantage.
Jon still sat there defending City. No shame.
Podcasts that couldve been a tweet?
Specialist in failure was used by Jose Mourinho to Arsene wenger while discussing their consistent losing to mourinho’s Chelsea
Came to find this comment within one second of hearing it on the pod 🤣
I think there was a sarcasm in their reply. They knew where it came from but failed play to pointing it out for those that didn't.
@@dylanhough1653 glad I could help out 🤣
The two differences between Man City and Arsenal this season is ONE GAME! ONE WIN AND ONE DRAW! 2 POINTS SEPARATE THEM. Plus Arsenal don't have 115 FFP charges pending against them. Facts!
is the host always this condescending? can't tell if he's trying to be funny or just a bellend
@@ndub415middle classed 😅
Just smarmy public school boys doing their thang
He's a bellend
Spurs last league title predating the Beatles is wild
It" s kinda interesting that Man city have drawn matches against Big London Club exception being Liverpool. Whose to say Westham holds Man city to a draw
Liverpool isn't a London club
Read the statement again, to get clarity. No one said Liverpool is a London club🤷🏽♂️@@SimBir08
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I just have a good feeling that neither city or arsenal win on the final day. Moyes will wanna go out with a bang and could definitely scrap a draw and if there’s any team that i could see being a final day villain, it’s a team coached by sean dyche.
JON!!!
I actually can't believe he said Klopp was overrated.
If you take out the covid PL, and the two League cups that were handed to Liverpool by two much better Chelsea teams, what did he achieve for 8 years? CL and an FA cup - that's great. But all the moaning and the "it's the whole worlds against us" claims were just absurd. If you had any other manager acting like that coaching any other team, the media and fans would rip him apart.
Man City, its Man City guys come on no need for a podcast, its done haha
More money beats money. It's always the same with City
Good for Spiers to call out all of the typical Athletic Klopp gushing when he has underachieved in terms of outputs. This season for example theyve completed bottled the title (not Arsenal) and literally nobody in the media talks about it because its Klopp
Liverpool fans have reframed the narrative. They bottled nothing. All they did is hugely overachieve! Lol
Signing of the season is Cole Palmer
train the referees to be better is such a simplistic solution to VAR - the inescapable facts are that refereeing is subjective & organic, and that referee's will make mistakes, even if they can look at incidents at any speed from any angle for any amount of time. No matter how much technology we have, referee's will still make mistakes and will still go against what fans & pundits think because so many decisions are 50/50, 60/40, 70/30 whatever. As fans we have to accept that nothing in life can be 100% fair. SO, we need referees to make LESS decisions in a game, not more. VAR massively increases the amount of decisions that referees make in a game, therefore there will be more controversy & more mistakes. less decisions = less mistakes.
Ibelive westham to stop mancity and my gooners win the league after 20 yrs❤❤❤
Liverpool bottling the pl again after being second favorites behind city in klopp's farewell season & spurs bottling the ucl spot after being top during the first half of the season needs to be talked about more... 😅
City. This video could have been an email.
The VAR decision against Coventry was annoying because he wanted Coventry to win haha what a nobhead. They even got a free penalty thanks to VAR and he was annoyed. What a tit.
Mate if your team was the one playing I hope you won’t be saying that is boring. Secondly, let me tell you the Premier league will be to prove any of these charges because it’s hard to tell somebody how they should be paying for sponsorship. They literally stock that’s why they cannot.
Could City lose the title on Sunday and then lose to United in the FA Cup final
to make it the Anti-Treble ??
Keep smoking, whatever you smoke
Hated. Adored. Never Ignored.
Only clowns will call Jurgen Klopp overrated. Well done.
A great coach no doubt, but Liverpool fans, as well as Klopp himself are so biased, they rival Fergie. And English media's love and exaggeration for everything Liverpool really irritates any neutral fan.
Yes, LFC do have a unique sense of sentimental entitlement. The real hero of LFC was Bob Paisley who had no time for what I described above.
@@David-qj2iu some fans. Not all. There are always people like that in any fan bases.
@@eidurbg maybe, but is he overrated? That was the point.
How one feels about other things should be irrelevant.
I like this talk ..the best In EPL.
City. Stop pretending the league is interesting by repeating the same questions
arsenal fanbois clutching at straws.
@Krisdon-su8ff hahaha arsenal fan is a pathetic incel racist, what a surprise. So on brand.
It's so uninteresting that it's got people who find it totally uninteresting commenting on it.
@@Mal_Freeman0451 really is. the Europa league places are a bit more interesting. hasn't been the most riveting year in the league tbh. At this point I'm more invested in whether Leverkeusen can pull it off tbh.
@@oitoitoi1There were three teams in the title race until mid April. One of the most interesting title races in years. Obviously whoever you support wasn't involved in it.
The media criticise spurs for not winning anything and then criticise them for not qualifying for a tournament they never had any chance of winning. I’m a spurs fan and I don’t care about Arsenal but I’d much rather try and win the Europa league next season, competing against other clubs of a similar standard to ourselves.
Dortmund wants a word with you. It's okay to strive for greater things. I feel like every Spurs fan needs a hug.
Qualifying to knockouts of Champions League is better financially and in terms of attracting bigger talents to the club. This Spurs team with some decent midfield addition is more than capable of getting at least to the quarter finals of CL. Even though the probability is high, Spurs have not yet secured the Europa League either.
@@NirabPudasaini I completely hear what you’re saying with regards to attracting better talent but I think that only applies to clubs who actually want high profile players. Daniel Levy prefers the sorts of players that don’t have a face on EA Sports FC 24 and they’d be happy with a move to any prem club
The idea that you should only qualify for the CL if you're capable of winning it is so early 1990s, the CL is a different level financially than the Europa and helps so much in attracting top talent to your club that will help you achieve the next level. And even if you do win europa, you qualify for the CL next season as a prize. Are you going to refuse to participate in that case? Very strange logic
Such a poor perspective. You stand no chance of winning the PL, so should you get yourselves relegated to win the Championship? It's such a low ambition, loser mentality that I don't want you to ever change 😂
14 minute segment on who will win the league like city won’t 😂
So 20 seconds on Villa getting champions league... but by all means lets talk.more avout Spurs.
There is no chemistry in this podcast
The referees made the difference in the end to win the league for the richest club, what a clean sport!
I don't want to jump to conclusions but are you insinuating that Arsenal were robbed by referees?
spurs fans are sus, but being bottom doesnt really rock ur world right
This was never a win for spurs fans... the journalist is a joke. There was no celebrating - just jokes in the dilemma and misery. It was silver lining to a very odd situation
You know City will win, we guys are nt delulu lile u
City makes the league boring as fuck and have spent $2bln on players. anything else is bullshit hot air garbage talk
You speak as if arsenal have not been spending money
I hate this money talk
Since arteta came in He has out spent everyone except chelsea
Look at Chelsea and united who spend loads and are no where close to challenging
@@anjolatope-babalola2338 COPE dickweed COPE. team that spends most money on transfers, wages, bribes, etc will end up winning the most on average over long periods of time. bundesliga = munich. la liga = barcalona & madrid. Lige 1 = PSG. epl = city (before that chelsea). everything else is hot air garbage talk. that is all that has come out your mouth. hot air garbage talk
All this nonsense talk on var
Until haaland scores 50 league goals
We will start hearing city bought the league chants
Klopp overrated
But dancing and singing for arteta
Common now
Tainted league
SAF in the mud
IF Arsenal win on Saturday, then Declan Rice is a reasonable shout for the Best Signing award; but if they don't, then all he has done (as well as Raya, Timber and Havertz, for the combined sum of £200m) is got Arsenal 3 points closer to City than last year - and 5 points better overall compared to 2022/23. I don't see how that can be counted as a blinding success.
In comparison, you have to wonder what trouble Chelsea might have been in, were it not for Cole Palmer's signing; although I dislike the guy intensely, he's single-handedly dragged Chelsea towards Europa League qualification and prevented a pretty crap season from being a total disaster... and all for £40m. I'd also argue that no player has been as consistent as him over the ENTIRE season, whereas others have had spells where they were off-form or ineffective at crucial moments.
It's always more of a challenge to compare players in different positions, i.e. Rice's contributions are less tangible than Palmer's. But I agree, if Arsenal win it, Rice has to get that label - yes he cost a pretty penny, but he's shown immense value and may turn out to be the difference maker.
On 'face' value however, Palmer for £40m is just unbelievable - the quality of the foals, the importance of them, especially given his age in a team full of individuals who have cost 2 or even 3 times as much is remarkable.
Mate every team in top six have spent money, for journalist to spill this nonsense they than the right way, what wrong with investing in your business ? When Man U borrowing money from bank and buying all the top players did you complain?
Big Ange needs to be more respectful of the spurs fan losing mentality of the club he should lose more often
Wow what a dynamic into, a sarcastic bloke with a beard and a weary cynical affect sounding bored shirtless. I couldn't bear the excitement and had to stop watching
All the hand wringing over Spurs fans is bs. Pep has rewired my brain when it comes to expectations etc. with City but if we were 5th and could stop Utd winning the PL again by losing to, say, Liverpool at home, I'm bringing my Scouse wig n tach