The amount of gaslighting of “it’s not enchanter game” 17:00 “It was me Barry, I framed 7 just so you’d look guilty to town, all for the sake of hanging pestilence and causing no one to trust you.”
You gotta think about all of the games he doesn't upload though. Obviously Pipe is a great player, but in this game you can only do so much, and sometimes you just die N1.
@@RenShinomiya121 Was 4 part of the group? He kept chatting after that but all of it just felt like attempts to (edit: distract and) look smart after his mistake, some of it being less successful than other attempts...
20:12 I find it funny new players wanting to let evils go because of "newb mistake" in ToS2 when it was so incredibly rare that happening in ToS1 as even the simplest mistake would make people assume a "jester play". I kinda like the "If they don't get punished for their mistakes they will never learn" ideology. But I've seen a lot of new players being very sad and salty about that behavior. Town of Salem is like a bootcamp to transform rookies into vets.
To be fair in TOS1 anyone who was still playing at that point probably wasn't new (not saying there were 0 new players) Compared to TOS2 which has probably attracted some attention and actually has new players Also as I TOS1 vet I feel like I wouldn't want to push away new players so I wouldn't be so harsh because this is the chance to grow the community exponentially
Pipe being too nice at the end of the first game. Should've Voodoo the Mayor to prevent the vote, then attacked and altered the Sheriff to make them Enchanter. Then played the 'Ah Ha! I was the trickster all along. Wow...there really was an enchanter"
I've no idea where his switch goes between being an autistic genius and being uh... (...) *bread* but there really is no in between is there lol Tbh I think it's just his order of processing. He usually realize at one point before it's too late (but not ALWAYS) and he's on some other "mental quest" before that.
I feel like one of the important skills for an evil is to present as a newb for the sake of throwing off skilled players like Pipe. It's a useful bluff when done well. Also, I love how aggro Pipe went in the second game. His roll was weak in the circumstances, so his best play was to take the death so a more useful town roll doesn't get kilt.
I was just fantasizing about having my first ever game (but having watched 100s of videos), it happens to be jester, I join this lobby, go "this is my first game, sorry in advance" after the first night, then post a random cleric will or something saying I went on someone else (using day1 chat) as cleric or something. Would write in my will "it is true it's my first game! However I always expect the worst of people and for the most part I'm right :)" if I get lynched lol Something like that 😂 Odds of it happening is basically 0 though
AFK should always be auto-guilty. Either they're not paying attention and shouldn't have queued for the game in the first place or they're evil and preying on the good intentions of others. Either way, bye bye!
I really think that there should be some kind of icon that marks Enchanted targets, so that it's easier for the Coven to keep track of who's Enchanted and who's not.
the problem with that is when does it go away, because the enchant only lasts until the target is checked but it going away when the person gets actually checked just screws and neutrals out of that chance because the enchanter/maybe all coven know if the enchanted player was actually checked
Would be best if there's just an icon indefinitely. Up to the enchanter to determine whether it needs to be reapplied but through the icons the other coven can more easily determine who has been previously enchanted. maybe have a counter next to the icon if they have been enchanted multiple times.
Or the icon could just last the day after the target is enchanted, so as to let coven know, but goes away after that day regardless of whether they're still enchanted or not.
"I wasn't a good kill." Says the guy who got two of the coven based purely on how they were playing. XD You're always a good kill for your enemies. Because you are an amazing player.
If they'd killed Pipe 1 night earlier in game 2, before the prosecutor (!) Coven may have actually won lol. Edit: They couldn't. I forgot, their only killing role was ritualist. No way they knew his role. Edit2: Also now it makes perfect sense why Pipe went balls to the walls D2 on 2. He saw there was a ritualist and that actually made it much safer for him to push aggressively against coven and it was actually bad luck it was the rit that got killed instead of, say, Necromancer. But maybe that wasn't something he thought of, tbh I forgot who'd get the book if Necro died. Never mind. I retract my statement lol but I leave it be because it's food for thought (or thought for future play)
Reading votes is extremely useful even in non premade full of randoms, Towns have no reasons to inno people (or tell others to inno)when they aren't confirmed and gets voted up, the only time they do that and it's justified is if there is way too little players alive(they might hesitate with not knowing whos the right person to vote) or if they're quick to trust them for absolutely no reason. But most of the time, it's either their coven teammates, or NEs like exes/jests
i feel like each coven role is just very overpowered unlike the old mafia , like the only unfun coven can be coven leader , but atleast you kill people as it unlike framer or disguiser
@@Cannon_Shots Agreed. Mafioso system hurt, because most of the other maf roles were important. Once the first Mafioso drops, the maf's power diminishes exponentially. It worked better in ranked because there was always a GF too, but ranked got stale really quick. They needed to change up the role list more often to keep it fresh.
Jester idea: If Death appears and you think you know who they are, tell them **you** are Death and will help the "jester" get lynched. This might fool wildlings, causing the real jester (who claimed to be death in whispers) to win, and then the real Death gets a victory nuke.
I got coroner and was useless because of a dusa in the game and their was no other killing roles that are bad so I got hung two people tried to defend me and were also pointing out I can't use stoned people, I feel like coroner needs some kind of buff or rework P.s I have bad luck and keep getting coroner
my guy 11 in the 2nd game never claimed amne pros, he was ASKING if there was any ಠ_ಠ ur brain moves super fast and catches shit i never would, but cuz of that it seems to skip shit too
I don't understand even after I retired why rookies like premade experienced player still doing the mistake to don't fill the 15 spots if they want to Enjoy the wild skill level hunting
Necro didn't have *ANY* targets until the *VERY* last night LOL Unless they can somehow use PM but I don't think they can, or perhaps they can use HM but that's kinda pointless
@@PK_Ghostin Also Invest gets potential roles list as results in 1, and any framed player will yield the same results as a Framer. and any experienced players see the results of Framer, Vampire, or Jester, they are gonna assume first that there's a Framer instead of they invested a Jester or Vamp. In Coven it helps a little that HM is also in that results now, but even then when you see a lot of that results, it's much pretty confirmed framer game. So ToS1 Framer is only ever good against Sheriff in ToS1, just 1 out of 4 (or 6 in ToS1 coven mode), and 2 of those TIs (Invest, Spy) are almost hard counter to Framer. Meanwhile in ToS2, you get 2 more TIs for a total of 8, and 5 of those 8 roles that can be reliably affected by Enchanter's ability. Coroner will always find an enchanted player as the killer of the dead they checked. (Sad coroner noises, they just don't get a break, do they) Invest unlike ToS1 don't get a list results, just that rather the player have killed a person, and will find an enchanted player with incriminating evidence (i.e. "killed someone") Psychic unlike ToS1 will now see an enchanted player in their Evil vision. Seer will treat an enchanted player as a member of Coven factions. (as seen in the video, Pipe went on 9 n1 and Seer(11) see 4 and 9 on opposing faction... Both of them are Tavern Keeper) Sheriff didn't get changed in 2 and therefore (as you could see in the video... Poor 10.) is still just as susceptible to Enchanters. LO, and Tracker is largely the same in ToS 1 and 2, so they still aren't affected by Enchant ability, and can create a 2f1 situation against an Enchanter if they got lucky and caught the enchanter in the act. Spy's bug can still see a player as being enchanted, just like in ToS the bugged player will show as framed, but in ToS 2 the spy lose the ability to see Coven visit in exchange for the bugs stay in a player's house until activated, so it's not like an enchanter will be revealed by a spy N1/D2.
On your game 2 as Ret, it is the actual current condition in ToS2, me personally have no intention of going back unless they have ranked or ranked practice, so at least the elo of the players are close to exact.
@@justanotheryoutubewatcher5330 It's okay to roleplay unless it gets too extreme. There might be ToS2 servers for that, but even then, this game has rules. The last thing needed in the world is for more spheres of degeneracy to generate. Though, if I remember correctly, I just found it quite off-putting and weird how they kept referencing themselves in the third person. Doesn't flow with the sentence, and makes it look as if they are talking about someone else.
@user-hu2bd5fv4q I think because Mimyuu is a good friend of pipes and his group, they are all very used to it. You notice that Mimyuu breaks the RP quite frequently, too when things get hectic.
People in ToS2 really need to learn, ive seen soooo many incredibly easy claims not get guiltied AND townies that just make these very evil plays. Certain TP not on revealed mayor, TI that dont post 3 days straight, vigis that dont shoot in a game where no coven died yet at d4, prosec/deputy instantly pressing button d2 at first sign of sus usually killing town, Ret that dont use TIs in grave cause they cant find info anyhow and the list goes on.
Yawn is me, eiiiii dont feel bad about it, how games go. Giles Corey is always evil i was gonna check them N1 and for double teamed by Tavern Keepers... (well he was good to)
I understand playing with good players making it a bit easier. A slight deviation of what should be perfect is how you find someone evil, but when randoms deviate it might just be a mistake.
The amount of gaslighting of “it’s not enchanter game”
17:00 “It was me Barry, I framed 7 just so you’d look guilty to town, all for the sake of hanging pestilence and causing no one to trust you.”
Remember that time you accused 2 of being sus, and the executioner CAME, just as 2 got lynched?
It was me Barry…
Beautiful
@@brimbrim5389the executioner WHAT?!
@@brimbrim5389 He whatnow?
Pipe puts hard carry in the title like he doesn’t do it every game
Must be a huge deal for him to put it in the title then.
@@anzyroadside2374 It means that his back was hurting so much from carrying his own team. He had to put it in the title.
Yeah, he doesn't.
You gotta think about all of the games he doesn't upload though. Obviously Pipe is a great player, but in this game you can only do so much, and sometimes you just die N1.
I mean did you see his Coroner game? I wouldn't vall that carry lol
I like how pipe was completely ignoring the arguing coven in dead chat lol.
Coven was beating each other up in the grave lmao.
@@RenShinomiya121 Was 4 part of the group?
He kept chatting after that but all of it just felt like attempts to (edit: distract and) look smart after his mistake, some of it being less successful than other attempts...
20:12 I find it funny new players wanting to let evils go because of "newb mistake" in ToS2 when it was so incredibly rare that happening in ToS1 as even the simplest mistake would make people assume a "jester play".
I kinda like the "If they don't get punished for their mistakes they will never learn" ideology. But I've seen a lot of new players being very sad and salty about that behavior. Town of Salem is like a bootcamp to transform rookies into vets.
To be fair in TOS1 anyone who was still playing at that point probably wasn't new (not saying there were 0 new players)
Compared to TOS2 which has probably attracted some attention and actually has new players
Also as I TOS1 vet I feel like I wouldn't want to push away new players so I wouldn't be so harsh because this is the chance to grow the community exponentially
Those chads and stacies will learn a real intelectual battle.
I agree, though I saw plenty of mistakes and bad logics in ToS1.
Fun Fact!
Retri can use psychic and target themselves on Evil vision nights and get an evil vision with 2 players instead of the 3!
27:07 I love Pipe's attempts to translate Mimyuu's words
mimyuu is my favorite reoccurring character in pipe's videos just because of mimyuu referring to mimyuu in the third person. mimyuu is iconic
Pipe being too nice at the end of the first game. Should've Voodoo the Mayor to prevent the vote, then attacked and altered the Sheriff to make them Enchanter. Then played the 'Ah Ha! I was the trickster all along. Wow...there really was an enchanter"
That would've been funny :D
I love how people started fake claiming a bunch of tpow roles to mess with ritualist, and Pipe didn't notice and so took all the claims seriously lol
fun thing is that if pipe was the rit there, he would have probably screw it up xD
I've no idea where his switch goes between being an autistic genius and being uh... (...) *bread* but there really is no in between is there lol
Tbh I think it's just his order of processing. He usually realize at one point before it's too late (but not ALWAYS) and he's on some other "mental quest" before that.
I feel like one of the important skills for an evil is to present as a newb for the sake of throwing off skilled players like Pipe. It's a useful bluff when done well. Also, I love how aggro Pipe went in the second game. His roll was weak in the circumstances, so his best play was to take the death so a more useful town roll doesn't get kilt.
I was just fantasizing about having my first ever game (but having watched 100s of videos), it happens to be jester, I join this lobby, go "this is my first game, sorry in advance" after the first night, then post a random cleric will or something saying I went on someone else (using day1 chat) as cleric or something.
Would write in my will "it is true it's my first game! However I always expect the worst of people and for the most part I'm right :)" if I get lynched lol
Something like that 😂
Odds of it happening is basically 0 though
Honestly, i hate to see all the "oh i was afk sorry." claims getting inno'd. Most of them turn out exactly the evil you expect them to be.
That's an auto-guilty from me.
AFK should always be auto-guilty. Either they're not paying attention and shouldn't have queued for the game in the first place or they're evil and preying on the good intentions of others. Either way, bye bye!
I really think that there should be some kind of icon that marks Enchanted targets, so that it's easier for the Coven to keep track of who's Enchanted and who's not.
the problem with that is when does it go away, because the enchant only lasts until the target is checked but it going away when the person gets actually checked just screws and neutrals out of that chance because the enchanter/maybe all coven know if the enchanted player was actually checked
Would be best if there's just an icon indefinitely. Up to the enchanter to determine whether it needs to be reapplied but through the icons the other coven can more easily determine who has been previously enchanted. maybe have a counter next to the icon if they have been enchanted multiple times.
Or the icon could just last the day after the target is enchanted, so as to let coven know, but goes away after that day regardless of whether they're still enchanted or not.
Suspicious lack of mimyuu in the first game, but excellent deployment of mimyuu in the second
"I wasn't a good kill."
Says the guy who got two of the coven based purely on how they were playing. XD You're always a good kill for your enemies. Because you are an amazing player.
the funny thing is, them not killing 8 or 11 lost them the game
they really shouldn't of killed the Retributionist.
If they'd killed Pipe 1 night earlier in game 2, before the prosecutor (!) Coven may have actually won lol.
Edit: They couldn't. I forgot, their only killing role was ritualist. No way they knew his role.
Edit2: Also now it makes perfect sense why Pipe went balls to the walls D2 on 2. He saw there was a ritualist and that actually made it much safer for him to push aggressively against coven and it was actually bad luck it was the rit that got killed instead of, say, Necromancer. But maybe that wasn't something he thought of, tbh I forgot who'd get the book if Necro died. Never mind. I retract my statement lol but I leave it be because it's food for thought (or thought for future play)
That prosecute in game 2 was hilarious, pretty much the equivalent of saying “no, u”
Reading votes is extremely useful even in non premade full of randoms, Towns have no reasons to inno people (or tell others to inno)when they aren't confirmed and gets voted up, the only time they do that and it's justified is if there is way too little players alive(they might hesitate with not knowing whos the right person to vote) or if they're quick to trust them for absolutely no reason. But most of the time, it's either their coven teammates, or NEs like exes/jests
Watching the dead coven arguing was hilarious
Pipe's videos enchanting our recommendations like always
In the second game, 11 did not claim amne pros, they were asking if there were any Amne Prosecutors.
"It's not an enchanter game" - Enchanter
I remember your mafia BMing the last townie and having a fun time in day chat while hanging him.
I guess we get a repeat of that.
i feel like each coven role is just very overpowered unlike the old mafia , like the only unfun coven can be coven leader , but atleast you kill people as it unlike framer or disguiser
as pipe said in tos2 review - every role is op, so that none of them are
Coven Leader is just GF/Mafioso, but it self-promotes
book is way better promote system than mafioso honestly
@@Cannon_Shots Agreed. Mafioso system hurt, because most of the other maf roles were important. Once the first Mafioso drops, the maf's power diminishes exponentially. It worked better in ranked because there was always a GF too, but ranked got stale really quick. They needed to change up the role list more often to keep it fresh.
@@NoNameAtAll2 except coroner, that role just doesn't work
Enchanter to Townies be like "rockus pockus your role is now brokus"
I'm glad you made a two game video!! Woohoo they are my favorites! Thank you!
Jester idea:
If Death appears and you think you know who they are, tell them **you** are Death and will help the "jester" get lynched. This might fool wildlings, causing the real jester (who claimed to be death in whispers) to win, and then the real Death gets a victory nuke.
I got coroner and was useless because of a dusa in the game and their was no other killing roles that are bad so I got hung two people tried to defend me and were also pointing out I can't use stoned people, I feel like coroner needs some kind of buff or rework
P.s I have bad luck and keep getting coroner
I had a similar game, only instead of getting hung I got silenced and poisoned N3. The game just decided to say "Screw this coroner in particular."
@@stevenpg9517 ya town gets hung hungry when a coroner is useless and I feel like it needs a buff or rework
@@dragonknight6972 definitely needs a rework. by far has the highest D1 leaver rate
Honestly, if coroner could check 2-3 people each night, that would make it so much better, it probably wouldn't even be that OP.
jester: guys I’m a new player I don’t know I have to post immediately
Hey Pipe, do you plan on playing this on stream with viewers? Looking towards it if so
great vid pipe❤
Imma be real I completely forgot enchanter was a role
my guy 11 in the 2nd game never claimed amne pros, he was ASKING if there was any
ಠ_ಠ
ur brain moves super fast and catches shit i never would, but cuz of that it seems to skip shit too
Yeah....he has fantastic intuition but mistypes and misreads fairly commonly. Guess that's the price you pay for good deduction skills xD
well i didnt expect to see 37 seconds ago when i clicked on this but hey. enchanter is like framer meets forger right?
16:10 You don’t play with randoms? Idk how to feel about these now, even if theyre experienced
Never been at a PipeTron vid this early... huh
POV you didn't post will in .00005 seconds lol, love the efficiency
6:10 im an idiot where the tarnation did that come from?
2 was so obviously ritualist with the 'i just want claims' plays they were making
GG Great video as always :)
okay that was a VERY impressive pest game 1
I got pest day 3 it was crazy, literally attacked rbd and visited by 4 people n1, and everyone else plagued on n2, didnt win obv but it was crazy
Is pipe streaming TOS2? I've started re-watching old videos because i'm addicted and need MOREEEE!
Pipe cant stream TOS or else he might get stream sniped
@@raresfinale6915 Not even with a delay? or premade lobbies?
9:04 What’s this “also” thing in the action notification, can enchanter frame one guy and attack another with the book?
Pipe you should see captain blastem's most recent vid, he got an interesting win as corener
I like ret in this game. Clutched up as ret. It might be my fav role other than doomsayer :)
I would love to see a shroud game
Winning with only 7 town is crazy
So fun fact 1 could of been real seer cause you cause whoever you enchant to look like coven.
You know, isn't *Bread Blood Ritual* just Communion
11 never claimed amne pros, He ASKED if there is an amne pros
Does pest still rampage when they attack? I thought they now only attack people who visit them and NA's rampaging role is war
Pest is still the same here as it was in ToS1. Berserker/War is just a better version of it
If vigi shoots 3 times and then dies, can ret and necro still use it?
Nope. Dead bodies keep their resources, you cant knight yourself if the monarch already knighted 2 people for example.
Mayors play their was to not vote that day. Was still a long shot but may have been able to win….
how did 10 speak on trial if they were voodoo-ed? i thought voodoo master made it so you couldn't speak at all?
i guess a recent update changed that
by intense pipe means sweaty...
i that that last game was going to be a town loss but it just came back enough
They hated him because he spoke the truth
I don't understand even after I retired why rookies like premade experienced player still doing the mistake to don't fill the 15 spots if they want to Enjoy the wild skill level hunting
Rookie is the opposite of experienced mate
LET HIM COOK!
Necro didn't have *ANY* targets until the *VERY* last night LOL
Unless they can somehow use PM but I don't think they can, or perhaps they can use HM but that's kinda pointless
They made framer good
How
It's also forger, and works on more TIs.
But yes.
because only sheriff and invest were affected by it in 1 :/
Just combine it with forger and allow it to kill apparently
@@PK_Ghostin Also Invest gets potential roles list as results in 1, and any framed player will yield the same results as a Framer.
and any experienced players see the results of Framer, Vampire, or Jester, they are gonna assume first that there's a Framer instead of they invested a Jester or Vamp.
In Coven it helps a little that HM is also in that results now, but even then when you see a lot of that results, it's much pretty confirmed framer game.
So ToS1 Framer is only ever good against Sheriff in ToS1, just 1 out of 4 (or 6 in ToS1 coven mode), and 2 of those TIs (Invest, Spy) are almost hard counter to Framer.
Meanwhile in ToS2, you get 2 more TIs for a total of 8, and 5 of those 8 roles that can be reliably affected by Enchanter's ability.
Coroner will always find an enchanted player as the killer of the dead they checked. (Sad coroner noises, they just don't get a break, do they)
Invest unlike ToS1 don't get a list results, just that rather the player have killed a person, and will find an enchanted player with incriminating evidence (i.e. "killed someone")
Psychic unlike ToS1 will now see an enchanted player in their Evil vision.
Seer will treat an enchanted player as a member of Coven factions. (as seen in the video, Pipe went on 9 n1 and Seer(11) see 4 and 9 on opposing faction... Both of them are Tavern Keeper)
Sheriff didn't get changed in 2 and therefore (as you could see in the video... Poor 10.) is still just as susceptible to Enchanters.
LO, and Tracker is largely the same in ToS 1 and 2, so they still aren't affected by Enchant ability, and can create a 2f1 situation against an Enchanter if they got lucky and caught the enchanter in the act.
Spy's bug can still see a player as being enchanted, just like in ToS the bugged player will show as framed, but in ToS 2 the spy lose the ability to see Coven visit in exchange for the bugs stay in a player's house until activated, so it's not like an enchanter will be revealed by a spy N1/D2.
Is seer just not fooled by book damn
Where's Mimyuu?
Edit: nevermind he's in game 2, I got scared for a second though. Imagine a video without Mimyuu, the horror!
Enchanter is pretty good in tos2 imo, but illu is kinda weak
On your game 2 as Ret, it is the actual current condition in ToS2, me personally have no intention of going back unless they have ranked or ranked practice, so at least the elo of the players are close to exact.
Hmm, why is it that I find *Mimyuu* slightly annoying?
They are a really good player but they RP quite hard
@@justanotheryoutubewatcher5330 It's okay to roleplay unless it gets too extreme. There might be ToS2 servers for that, but even then, this game has rules. The last thing needed in the world is for more spheres of degeneracy to generate.
Though, if I remember correctly, I just found it quite off-putting and weird how they kept referencing themselves in the third person. Doesn't flow with the sentence, and makes it look as if they are talking about someone else.
@user-hu2bd5fv4q I think because Mimyuu is a good friend of pipes and his group, they are all very used to it. You notice that Mimyuu breaks the RP quite frequently, too when things get hectic.
@@Lamadon_Pyreus I am diagnosed with OCPD, and you seem to have it more than me... lol
I hope you don't consider _that_ to be "extreme".
Nice
rare enchanter W?
nice
Bruh no shot 2 said bovine excrement lol
algorithm gang
ITS NOT AN ENCHANTER GAME
TRUST ME BRO
ITS NOT AN ENCHANTER GAME
Bread
People in ToS2 really need to learn, ive seen soooo many incredibly easy claims not get guiltied AND townies that just make these very evil plays. Certain TP not on revealed mayor, TI that dont post 3 days straight, vigis that dont shoot in a game where no coven died yet at d4, prosec/deputy instantly pressing button d2 at first sign of sus usually killing town, Ret that dont use TIs in grave cause they cant find info anyhow and the list goes on.
People really need to learn*
FTFY
Bread Blood Ritual
Mimyuu broke character at the end. "I'M CONFIRMED VIGI". Nooooo forgot the 3rd person D:
RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Are u British mate you keep saying colon but ur saying coven?
He is Australian
"Waa-woof" is Werewolf :)
Day 5 of asking Pipe to play Lovers mode in Tos 1 till he gets the rare Pestilence message. (day didn't change because he posted on same day)
The mimyuu person talking in 3rd person is really confusing, kinda wish they'd drop that. I keep thinking they're talking about mimyuu lol
Yawn is me, eiiiii dont feel bad about it, how games go. Giles Corey is always evil i was gonna check them N1 and for double teamed by Tavern Keepers... (well he was good to)
Next video:
Watch as I FLEX my skill in ToS2 💪
kiss me
can u play bloxston mystery
He did a few months back
@@Sxtela but like again though
I understand playing with good players making it a bit easier. A slight deviation of what should be perfect is how you find someone evil, but when randoms deviate it might just be a mistake.
Tbh I don’t get why to people get so agro for clicking a wrong button.
Early gang!!
first
first to claim the legandary second