Quad Tracking VS Dual Tracking Guitars | When and Why Should You Use Either?
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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In this video, Steven demonstrates the strengths and weaknesses of quad tracked guitars vs dual tracked guitars.
If you don't know what that means, when you record guitars you normally record a left and right guitar and pan them accordingly. Quad tracking guitars is where you record an additional left and right in order to make the tone that much thicker. There are some drawback to doing so if you're not careful so be sure to watch to the example at the end to see what happens.
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I do 30 tracks per guitar. Does the job. May add more soon.
Don't just add more - I think you should go for a doubling curve.... 30 -> 60 -> 120.... let us know when it's "thick in your face" enough... 😂
Added 20 guitar tracks, felt cute - might delete later
Must be recording a cover of ...And Justice For All
@@Darkhalo314 how many tracks for ajfa? im currently doing a ajfa cover how many tracks should i make?
@@mudfightmaster4275 4
"this first section is syncopated with a lot of triplets and odd time signatures"
Ron Howard voice: but it was actually just in 4/4
😂😂 Should have said subdivisions of the measure. 😉
I like double tracking where the guitars need to make space for something else, vocals or solos for example.
For parts where the guitars are the focus, I like to triple track, and the third track stays in the center at a lower volume. This is especially important to ensure that the guitars don't disappear in mono, but I think it sounds great in stereo too.
Thanks for this tip
Never really thought about this... I'm about to give this a whirl! 💜
I like to use very low gain on third guitar in centre, more like a support to the bass….
I think this the trick Metallica does.
When you Quad Track slower riffs and you have some imperfections, it makes it sound doomier and it’s quite cool I think. But it depends on the song and section. Great video 😁🤘
I used to do Quad Tracking, sounded massive and messy at the same time. Now using Dual Tracking almost exclusively. Leaves some space for other instruments
I think it's good for choruses and heavy parts which aren't too fast or technical. But defnitely not a must have.
Im wrestling with this as well, and I find quad is best for thick parts where as fast tech parts just get muddy. Also when i quad track Ill put 1 track hard panned to each side then the last 2 will mix at around 40% so that there are parts that live somewhere in the middle. And when I only double track ill mix them at around 80%. I noticed in his mix he had everything hard panned and it makes it sound flatter like that
@@ryanschindler923 I don`t know, for me hard left
ight works best with 2 guitars as well, not perfect for mono compatability though, with 4 it can be more creative, of course
Yeah... I still use some Quad track for breakdowns at times. It can really add some distinction to these parts.
I usually quad track, with two tracks of a very lightly overdriven tone, and two tracks of massively saturated tone. The compound effect is a tone that at the same time sounds hugely fat but also has the dynamics of light distortion. I've had a lot of fun with that mix.
It depends. When all of the rhythm guitars are playing the exact same thing, dual tracking is enough. When one guitar plays variation of the riff played by second guitar (for example the same riff but higher, no matter if it's third, fifth or whole octave higher), the quad tracking may do wonders.
I do the same thing! I think it helps fill a lot of space when you move the notes of the riff out to different voicings.
What about when you solo? Or have a lead section of just one guitar
@@darkmtxdarkmtx Yes, since I consider lead guitar being the focus of that part of the song, I just use one track and place it in the center, so it cuts through without the mix being louder on either side. I did it differently back then tho.
I was all for quad tracking, but then i realized it's more exciting to listen if you just double track and add more layers (harmonies, octaves, punches) where the song requires.
I feel that the dual tracked guitar parts sounded more clear and annunciated to my ears.
But I like the idea of having quad tracks for a chorus part etc.
1st off,, Decapitated is the SHIZNIT..!!! Have a huge place in my heart for that band, thru all the adversity theyve endured and music put out... Very enjoyable that you are a fellow extreme metalhead... 🤘 and knowing you are the ears behind Neural DSP puts a HUGE smile on my face. Extreme amps, for extreme players.. sic video,, very much enjoyed..
Yes!! Ever since hearing Spheres of Madness I was absolutely hooked! Thank you so much, dude! 🤘🤘
Definitely never heard bleed from Meshuggah
Maybe once or twice.. 😂😉
Yep, that's true. Meshuggah ALWAYS quad track rythm guitars
@@Julian66666666666666 do they actually?
Mesh-who-ggah?
@@insidious34 no, look at this monstrosity ruclips.net/video/9Xte6sUXjn0/видео.html look at all those guitar tracks
Awesome tutorial, the dual track is most fantastic.
Thanks! 😁
Another rad video as usual! Thanks again for havin’ me on!!!
Any time! Can't wait for the next round! 🤘🤘
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About 2 years late but I needed this today. Thanks 🤘
No kidding. I've been debating this with myself for weeks. Quad tracking is frustrating most of the time, but with chorus sections etc it sounds better.
I've been playing around with panning.
LEFT 1 - 100%
LEFT 2 - around 80% at about 60% volume
(Same for the right side)
Also tried different guitars on both sides
I'll prob stick to dual tracking (I'm a bassist first so my rhythm guitar playing isn't the tightest
I absolutely agree! Quad tracking can be super frustrating since it takes so much time to either practice or edit everything together. lol! I worked on an album of mine(hopefully I'll release it eventually. lol) and we tried to quad track everything. It was sooo painful. lol. I'm gonna go back and work on it again but I think I'll keep it dual tracked for the most part. 🤘🤘
@@TheRealStevenWard the demo tracks you use in these videos, is that taken from your album? Def release it anyway.
What about double tracking bass? I'm thinking no, as parallax and darkglass separate the high and lows really well, so no need to (unless you want to be super authentic...electric double bass for lows and a second track just for cutting through.lol)
Great video, thanks! One question - when quadtracking are you going for the same IRs per side (if panned 2x left and 2x right) or would you recommend using 4 different IRs (mike positions, speakers...)?
What i do for quad trackin is record the guitar twice, duplicate each. Low pass 2 tracks and pan L/R and high pass 2 then pan L/R, take the low passed tracks and put em on one fader, and the hi pass tracks too, but a different fader. Then through out the song you can just automate the faders easily. And youll get a rich stereo sound with half the hassle.
I thought about this today! Great video! I Prefer dual tracking. THANX!!!
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
Always great to see how other people track and their views on dual vs quad. I'm gonna experiment this weekend with some dual tracked verse guitars, but layered with some room-sounding tracks too.
I particularly like analogue HM-2 tracks layered with a VST amp in a quad set up. Of course there's always room to go old skool and fore the JCM900 up and wreck everything with an MT-2 as well :D
That sounds like an awesome set up! I'd love to hear an example of that some time! 🤘
Now thats a great #geNeuralTipOfTheDay! Thanks for another awesome vid - Aloha!
#geneuraltipoftheday is always gonna get a smile out of me! Glad you enjoyed it!
how bout adding PANNING of the tracks for some more reference on how the sounds would modulate and where you wan't to keep the panning on dual vs quad. Thanks
Hit the nail on the head.... I have always been on the philosophy of a more natural sound during regular verse, pre-chorus, and intro riffs... And if the song has been structured in a way that you want the chorus to shine you punch him right in the face with a wall of guitars....this technique is very sound. Great Video 🤘
What an excellent demonstration... and loving the obligatory "filthy metal" face at 4:17.....!
Thank you for making this video, I'm looking at techniques currently and this is helpful. I had some thoughts while watching. I feel like I can hear some phasing artifacts in the quad-track. Regarding exactly that, you'll want to be careful when playing with stuff that can mess up your stereo image.
I tend to quad track quite often. Got the influence from one of my fav, Monuments guitarist John Browne. I mainy just do it when I write two diff guitar parts to go together. The main rhythm panned hard left and right then the second guitar panned at 72 each track.
I pan at 62. Using the golden ratio (61.8) ... it's stupid I know 😅 To me it's just a matter of adjusting the volume. Of course, I always have a pair of hard panned as well.
@@fredericpetitpas Do you look at fractals while you do this? 😁
@@Fiveash-Art Dude, funny you say that, I have a music project called "Fractals in Mind" lol
I’ve never had to edit my guitar parts and I’ve quad tracked basically all the rhythms in everything I’ve released. I don’t really consider myself to be a super tight guitar player, but maybe it’s just that my parts are more so melodic than technical. Regardless, just learn how to be consistent and maybe you won’t have to edit your parts as much.
Exactly, I write some pretty technical death metal and Ill never edit riffs like that, I just keep trying until i get good takes. Makes you a better player.
I like double tracking since with 4 track I'm not tight enough lmao.
Great tutorial! Thanks a lot!
Any time! Glad you liked the vid!
Awesome! Thanks for the help!!
Sick!!+ thank you Steven!🤘🏼🤘🏼
Thank you, great video !!!....Sad but True of Metallica has Five guitar tracks, two hard pan , two in 75% pan left and right and one track at center with a Danaelectro Baritone guitar that is tune one octave lower !!!.
Awesome video! I tried quad tracking before, and then realized I'm one of those people who cant play tight enough. I'm curious..those tones are incredible. What are you using if you dont mind me asking?
Thanks! I'm using the Fortin NTS Suite for the rhythm tracks. If you click the link, you'll be taken to a folder with a few presets I made for the NTS that were used in this track. bit.ly/SWPresets
Quad tracking seems to sound like an effect. To be used wisely and where you want the frequency build ups.
cool video would be nice to see the whole signal chain
Thank so much for this
4:16
The face of metal music playing 👍🤘😠
😂😂 just can't help pulling that face when the heaviness hits! 🤘
@@TheRealStevenWard haaaa,,, I made that same face, cuz yea dude,, that was freakn heavy,, awesome riffage 🤘
stank face lol
if you're not at the level of Periphery, dual tracking more intricate, complex riffs should be more than enough whereas you might want to quad track for simpler, anthemic riffs.
Vogg the legend. He has the king of metal tones.
Had. Decapitated is nothing like they use to be on the first 3 albums. More Djenty now less death metal riffs.
@@morbidcorpse5954 Still heavy af
@@Airtrooper719 True. I like Earth Scar but thats about it after Organic Halloucinous
Pretty sick riffs
Vocalalign on guitars tightens the playing for you
Horses for courses, in my opinion. Well illustrated here.
How about double tracking with the Doubler ON ? 🎉
If quad tracking I will use the two extra guitars to split the chords. If power chords, I will play two with roots and two with 5ths.
I prefer double tracking than quad tracking when it comes to playing almost the exact same way with guitar bassed on sounds in this video.
problem with hard panning guitars is it doesn't sound like a live band playing. might as well hard pan the whole song.
I think quad tracking is good for that 01001011 djent type of crap but most of the type it ends up becoming an overkill. It also takes a lot space. I rather add more vocal harmonies to add more punch to a chorus IMHO.
hey guys. what would your panning option be for the second couple of guitars? if the simple double track would be 100 r, 100l.
cheers
I can find little online about quad tracking acoustics, I assume it doesn't go so well?
So I am using Logic Pro X and the Archetype Plugin and am having some issues. When I scan for Plugins the Archetype shows up but when I go to create a new track it doesn't show up! What am I doing wrong lol!?
I don't have a very good computer so I use dual tracking so I don't have to worry about overloading my CPU.
You should have explained the panning.
I'm planning that for another video. 😉
Steven Ward
I can’t wait. Thanks.
Thanks for the video . How do you pan the quad tracking ?
My pleasure! Glad you dig it. Depends on the song. For this video, I hard panned both sets of guitars just to keep things simple. If you need it to sound closer, pan a set of guitars in to around 80 or so but i'd trust my ear to let me know if the song needs it or not.
Steven Ward thanks a lot for your answer. 😃Keep up the good work, your vidéos are really good 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@@CharlySahona Thanks, dude! I'm glad you dig the videos! 😁😁
How do you pan your guitars when quadtracking? Two hard left and two hard right or two hard panned each side and two panned about 50%?
Hard left and hard right, 100% each track. So two left, two right.
Hey man i have an ESP Ltd Viper 50, Should i get a better guitar and the buy your plugins or Should i upgrade pickups. I figure a shitty guitar and a neural dsp plugin would not sound Good anyway right?
Do you use two different guitars for this?
Double track sounds better to my ear. Sits just right, not too fat. Less is more, indeed.
I have a question that I haven’t been able to find a video for anywhere. Say I want my music to sound as impressive on phone as it would in headphones. Sometimes on phone, you can only hear one guitar out the bottom of the phone and one out the top if they are hard panned left and right. I feel like this defeats the purpose of double tracking guitars if one person say listens in only one headphone. They just aren’t getting the full effect of the riffs, especially if there other harmonies going on in the other ear. I want to make sure those are heard at all times.
What should I do? Only plan the guitars 90 percent of the way to the left and right so that there’s some of the sound in the other ear opposite of the pan?
Or have a 3 middle track guitar reenforcing the the sound?
Silas Xavier, the Prod. Ya know you don’t really gotta think of it too much. It just makes everything kinda harder. Just go with what sounds good and feels right at the time. If the music is good, that guy with one headphone will put the other one in.
Or you could just mix it mono
don't worry about it, you will probably just ruin your mix if you try to do that.
Would this work with stereo pair vocals dual tracked?
Yes, but vocals usually are meant to lay in the middle of the mix, so they're mono. You can do what you're talking about, of course. But the vocals, as I know it, are primarily supposed to be in the middle. Like bass, but not as strict.
Potentially a stupid question, but what is the deal with multiple tracked guitars when there are more than one Guitar parts?
This is what ive been trying to figure out. like yea dual or quad track rythm whenever it fits, but ive been trying to find out if i should also dual track lead guitars over the dual rythm tracks? Or just a solo track for leads? I think thats what i might do for like solos and stuff but im thinking about possibly trying to do dual tracks of most leads and rythm then just using a 5th centered track for a guitar solo possibly. Im pretty new to recording so i feel like i have alot of experimenting to do
Is that guitar at 0:02 a Legator?
Absolutely! That's my Legator Ninja P series 8 string.
2 tracks with one IR and other 2 with another IR. Should be even better)
No need to quad track chuggy rhythms just throw some chonk on that bass. Quad track choruses where it matters
“Chonk” - love it
Would you do this on lead guitar as well
I think it depends. On simple, more rhythmic leads - yes. On soloish, shredding leads with unique playing like heavy vibrato and bendings - no.
How would you approach 2 different guitar parts, do you double track or quad track in each ear or do you make both parts stereo? I'm a noob, I like the thickness of the quad track but I would also like some separation between the 2 guitar parts. Thank you in advance for your help, oh, your Fortin Cali plugin is pretty sick!!!
quad tracking really only works if the guitarist is tight. If they don't play tight and consistent it will sound like sonic noise.
Do you guys play it 4 different times or just play for left and right pans once each and copy them in two more tracks at 80% left and 80% right respectively? I tried the latter and it sounds so bad like alien invasion sound that you get when you slow down a track on cubase. That breaking type of sound
Play 4 different times. That will add a more dynamic sound
If you duplicate the tracks, they just get louder. It doesn't work that way.
In the records things always sound epic, but in live things tend to be disappointing. Specially when is a small budget band. Live performance is the guillotine of many new artists.
LOL right now I have my bass and guitars double tracked and everything sounds like crap. Hmm..
Are solo guitars double or quad tracked? is that possible?
Depends on the type of solo , solo guitar usually goes center. Never seen solo's quad or double tracked , usually they are panned center.
@@metalheadblues John 5 double tracked all leads for "The Devil Knows My Name" album. Randy Rhoads double and triple-tracked a few of his solos.
What about triple tracking?
Also, while quad tracking (100%L, 80%L & 80%R, 100%R), would you keep the brighter sounding guitar panned 100% and the darker/warmer guitar at 80% or vice versa?
Darker sounds more middle - keep the lower frequencies more central and higher frequencies can pan out... consider running the bus through a mono maker sub about 120-200 Hz - magic to clean up the low end (assuming you've not cut it!)
"This is not a triplet" - 66Samus
Quad tracked = Wall of Sound
my 2 cents - make sure every track is a different type of guitar
Am I the only one who doesn't line quad tracked guitars? Dual is enough.
Less is more.
Funny, because Decapitated has a super weak sound on everything beyond winds of creation
"decrapitated" 😂😂😂
лучше бы играть учился , а не ерундой занимался!