Phil Heath wouldn't do well in a '90s lineup??? Think again!
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- In this one we take an in depth look at how a prime (2008-2013) Phil Heath would measure up to some of the greatest '90s legends.
Picture comparisons to 10 of the all-time greats, including Lee Priest, Kevin Levrone, Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler, Dorian Yates, and Ronnie Coleman.
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Since it's becoming a common excuse, no I did NOT pick bad photos for the 90's guys. These were some of the best individual _contest_ photos available. Generally the most impressive pics you're all used to seeing are from photoshoots, which aren't an accurate indicator of what they really looked like on stage. Be my guest try and find better. I could've made them look a whole lot worse very easily trust me.
I have tons of better photos I’ll share of any of the 90s guys in any pose upon request
No offence but are you serious? That photo is A) blurry crap B) not a mandatory pose and C) only upper body
Tomn8er lol that pic was just the tricep pose I was talking about and was purely to show his tricep that’s not one of the pics I’m talking about I have better quality pics for all poses than the ones in this video for nassar/Dorian/levrone
Tomn8er I agree that pic is low qual lmao but tricep is very clear that’s the only purpose of it
With all due respect. In once of your comparison pics between Kevin and Phil you used one of Kevs comeback pic rather than his prime. That's poor on your part
I think people underestimate how conditioned Phil actually is/was. He's been so consistent in that regard. Shame his gut became a problem later on.
I know right ,and not really a phil fan but respect his wins
If not for gut he’ll still be winning coming in at 90%.
Fr!! His physique was perfect imo
Yup insulin is how he gets big
Thank god someone has sense, so much hate towards this man but in 2011 it’s hard to argue that’s not one of the greatest bodybuilders to step on stage. Thankyou tom!
Not 2011, 2013. Even Phil knows it was his best year, he's admitted it several times
I don't think I've seen anyone hate on 2011 Phil or even 2013. It's past that when he ruined his physique with that ballon gut, and he never seemed to wanna change it because of his arrogant ass personality, thinking he's always the best no matter how he looks
@@laurikotivuori1585 2013 was Phil's best year, but I would choose his 2011 to go against Dorian. The reason is the abs and thighs pose. Phil's obliques kinda started slowly spilling over in 2013, therefore he would've lost in that pose if he faced Dorian.
@@marijancorluka4500 In 2013 his waist was just as tight as in 2011 but his lats were 2 times thicker and wider making his V-taper easily superior. Not sure what you're on about mate look at the pictures again
@@noahvalsted You're being an absolute Moron. Phil fixed his gut in 2015 the very next year, and in 2016 he had an even better midsection along with him being dryer than ever. He just tried to come in too full to the 2017 & 18 olympias. Let's give credit where it's due.
So glad someone finally addressed this. Not a Phil Heath fan but the dude is a legend.
Been saying this since I first saw P.H. back in 2012. Phil is the most aesthetic human I've ever seen to be that big. How can you be so monstrous and so aesthetic at the same time. He's the goat
Turtle stomach legend
Oh come on, we all know that Ronnies roof pumping move breaks every posing round. XD
I was just thinking that... Ew
Best posing ever
Phil world crush ronnie
@@Imperialbbuilding bro 😂🤡 stop smoking Crack
abcfitness 1999 Ronnie wipes the floor with him as great as Phil is
phil would, but most of todays bodybuilders would not.
X He IS a 7x Mr. O.
@@ulisesxavier1116 ?? what
X he won the Mr. O 7 years in a row
@@ulisesxavier1116 yeah, so?
X means he’s good, real good like.
I think Ronnie said Phil would do well in the 90’s
yea he did, in the valuetainement interview
Yep.
Ronnie is a man who knows what he's talking about!
Phil is even more complete and bigger than Shawn Ray and look how far Ray got. 😂
@@vets923 Ray was small and unimpressive.
This really needed to be said. It's just surprising to hear so many people (even those who are supposed to be experts) saying Phil wouldn't make top 6 in the 90's and this video was a great way to show their folly.
Speaking of top 6, I might do a follow up response to Dorian's comment on how Curry wouldn't make top 6, which is an exaggeration IMO
@@Tomn8er Please so that, it would be great! Kind regards Richard U.K
@@Tomn8er I was a little disappointed by Curry but people are unfair to him too. If you look at the placings in the 90's year by year, not all of the top guys were on, or even competed, every year. Even if you can come up with 6 guys who could beat Curry, he'd have a good chance of placing very well at almost any given Olympia.
@@darndoor3065 exactly. Yates must've drawn up some fictional lineup featuring all his 90s buddies in their best respective shapes. Flex and Nasser were off more often than they were on. Cormier and Priest only came along in the latter half (and Curry would beat both of them except maybe Cormier in 99). Dillet was a joke with his sloppy-ass posing. So really only Levrone and Ray were somewhat consistent.
Exactly WHO said anything like that? What I heard is Dorian saying Curry wouldn't. That's it.
Similar is the case for Kai. He came second only because of Phil. He would stack very nicely against the 90s.
nah hes too blocky
@@lsszodd He's still quality. Ripped and grainy, if Ronnie can win with a gut I'm sure Kai can stand his ground.
naitikgreyman cant compare Kai to Ronnie cmon
Mr. Ping sure you can depends on which versions you’re talking about.. ronnie wasn’t amazing his whole career
Kai has too many weak body parts.
Prime Phil is damn near perfect. He's an asshole, yeah but damn if his physique wasn't top-tier.
I’ve seen a few interviews with Heath. Seems like a nice bloke to me.
soradical16 to bad he’s only got a 4 pack or a small 6 pack
The earlier versions of Phil were insane. As for his arrogance, I think that's him when he's in his game on mind. Yes, he should be more humble at those times as well, but I don't think he's arrogant all year round.
he is arrogant, beyond measure.
Exactly, nobody is perfect, and thank god for that.
DANA SAEED I think its the modern technology that we are able to see their characteristics. Through facebook, twitter, youtube, and etc which wasnt around back then.
He's not arrogant, he created that character for show
oh , ok So phil was a part time asshole
Dorian's statement in a Dave Palumbo interview (something like this, if I remember correctly) : Phil wouldn't beat him, Kevin, Shawn or Flex. I find it laughable, because only person who would give Phil a run for his money is '98 and '99 Ronnie. Sure, Shawn Ray has a better overall body, but in a bodybuilding contest.... not even close.
Yeah Dorian's said some questionable things at times. He's blunt and level-headed which I like but also pretty full of himself in a subtle low-key way. For instance, he talks sh*t about his competitors constantly and only buoys them up when it makes _him_ look better (i.e. by comparing to other eras, which would seem to suggest that Yates views himself as just head-and-shoulders above everyone else since the greats from other eras couldn't even hope to hang with the people he was consistently defeating)
@@Tomn8er Yep, I noticed it too. It's amazing how only Phil is arrogant when he speaks highly of himself lol.
100% agree. I’ve met Dorian once or twice, I live in his hometown & ive trained at temple gym a fair amount. He’s a cool guy in person, but he comes across subtly very arrogant when talking about his success in interviews. Points like Shawn never came close to beating him, or Phil wouldn’t beat the big three. I think both are unfounded. If bodybuilding focused more on asthetics & presentation & completeness like in my opinion it should, he wouldn’t beat Shawn, likewise Phil’s a lot closer to beating Dorian in Dorian’s strongest poses, than Dorian is to beating Phil in Phil’s strongest. Couldn’t agree more with your point.
@TheLusianPopa Well, I'm not going to rewatch that interview, I'm pretty sure he said Shawn also. Kevin and Flex would get smoked in the mandatories, maybe not Kevin so much but Flex yes. We all know how shows are won at the end of the day and those 2 objectively wouldn't stand a chance. Also, Dorian would lose in the 7 mandatory poses, or at least should lose (let's put it that way). Phil might stand less chances against Dorian back then though, but put Dorian all those guys in today's era and they might have some serious problems with Phil (they would smoke most of the other guys though).
@@sibell6813 Who s the big three if it isn’t Phil, Dorian, and Ronnie?
Cool video. I think now that Phil is not competing, people are realizing how good He was. You always pointed out how dominating he was.
Phil is great in any era. Whatever anybody says about him you cannot take away from the fact that he is one of the all time greats. I think the most complete bodybuilder ever.
You are not true about what you say
@@melissamohamed407 what does that mean?
@@wylie500 He probably means the bubble gut.
Nah not the most complete bodybuilder ever but definitely one of the greats.
If we’re talking about before the bubble gut I would agree with you , but the latter version of phil when his gut seemed to be uncontrollable then NO, it’s like everyone including him was aware of this was his flaw yet there was nothing he could do about it.
Tom, I really like your script/writing in terms of your story telling and articulation! You're really getting good at your videos, can't wait to see what you produce over the coming years as you continue to improve!
I agree with that 100% !
My fav channel love to watch his video best analysis most of them who are manipulate wrapped for personal thoughts either way kick that fat ass judges who judged other not himself next those same competitors pumpkin ,tom8er makes so easy we can understand what he trying to said straight nor as subs hunger did unnecessary suspence drama and taunt in sarcasm way which was not fair I don't like them , Our Honesty and Loyality makes us Great person not disrespect others and demand respect which doesn't make sense .
Good work showing just how great a bodybuilder Phil is.
Coleman said, Heath would. He referred to the ones of 2019.
Exactly
Hell yeah, setting the record straight. I swear most bodybuilding fans need some kind of personality or "expert" to say things, instead of thinking for themselves and forming their own opinions. And your observations are always spot on. Keep spreading the good word
No one says phil wouldnt do well in the 90s even ronnie Coleman said he was on there level
He would have smoked anyone from the 90s except for Ronnie
@@Imperialbbuilding what about Dorian, or Nasser?
@@gencademi9362 Phil smokes them. In general, only Ronnie have better genetics than Phil.
@@ferminordonez4275 Not smoking. Nasser most certainly he wouldn't.
Nasser would take half the mandatories (he'd win of were not counting the MM as that wasn't mandatory then) including:
1. Front double
2. Side chest
3. Ab and thigh
4. Front latspread
Phil would win:
1. Back double
2. Rear Latspread
3. Side Tricep
4. Most muscular
@@samraizshoaib585 No men, Phil in his prime have any part better than Nasser except for the abs.
Phil pre stomach issues is unbeatable. He was great. And that’s coming from an old timer from the 80s and 99s. He was just excellent.
Only prime Ronnie is beating him
Yates
@@loco79PL no
@@DR-110 ronnie had the huge gyno and a gut more disgusting then phil. So that would be a no
@@DR-110put the pipe down
But ronnie would beat him because ronnie was more huge and more conditioned than him
Ranjit Singh I wouldn’t say “more conditioned”. Ronnie had good conditioning, but I think Phil looked and was dryer than Ronnie. Ronnie would still come out on top though.
Ranjit Singh you just failed the perception kid, look at Phil’s hamstrings
@@M.J.D.R but ronnie's glutes are better and his chest is much wider than phil
Ranjit Singh I agree, Ronnie is overall better, but conditioning wise he’s not quite superior
@@M.J.D.R I know Phil is also champ for a reason
9:44 amazing the genetics of flex and heath so similar ... wow but Phil is harder through chest and delts
@venomspeak Even a bit better than the two combined, glutes and forearms for example..
Easy boys, his dick will get broken
Better than levrone and flex combined???
That's too much
One thing for sure: coleman was unbeatable even for phil
@Thirumurugan jr but he's not and thats why ronnie is unbeatable
but phill isn't done competing yet, once he's got 9 sandows he's better :-)
e v if you are of the opinion that bodybuilding is only about mass and conditioning then Ronnie is the best. However if you want to also consider aesthetics too, then 2011 Phil is pretty much the perfect physique.
James Heaton 2013 is even better. Tighter midsection, wider lats, especially evident in the FLS, and a much improved lower back. And overall bigger (heaviest version of phil)
I am not sure
great video!!!
It is!
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I think prime Ronnie beats prime Phil like 90% of the time. There’s just way too much to deal with even with Phil’s advantage in the arm and calf departments. Plus Phil has like two really unflattering poses because of his clavicles while the best version of Ronnie looks at worst decent and at best literally GOAT in every pose.
Agreed but to be fair even prime Ronnie had two unflattering poses as well (AaT and ST)
Phil has a great lack, lack of width. He is very narrow and this damage some poses as: Front relaxed, Front double biceps (great arms but just average double biceps pose) and front lats spread.
@@gabrielfernandez8111 yeaah e dont forget the muscle Maturity Ronnie had a lot better muscle maturity than Phil
@Spine Chilling more than others great olympia no , like Coleman or Dorian, even Dexter when he competed against Phil, Dexter was not in better condiion than Phil, but he had better Muscle Maturity than Phil.
I like the accuracy and fairness and Detachment that you have in your judgment which separates you from many common folks! Good Job!
The only one who could beat phil was ronnie just because of the sheer mass
The most genetically gifted body builder would not do well in the 90’s. I don’t like Phil but he really is the gift and would have won 5 more Olympias if it wasn’t for the stomach
Thanks for yet another captivating video Tomn8er. I'm convinced that anyone who disagrees with such a fair and well thought out analysis as this has become so blind on account of their personal biases that they're no longer able to truly appreciate all that this fascinating sport has to offer in terms of intrigue and awe (if they ever could to begin with.) By the way since your videos first began appearing in my recommendations they've inspired me to start lifting weights again which has done wonders for my confidence and self esteem =]
“Line them up, I slay them all...”
~Phil Heath
Apart from Phil's distanted gut... He has almost no flaws 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Lee haney is perferct example of good era to compete
9:20 it legit took me a sec to realize that wasn't a mirror image.
Good video, I also get tired of hearing Phil wouldn't win in the 90's. I love the 90's era especially Kevin Levrone, but Phil is one of the greatest of all time and would be just fine in those stacked 90's lineups. I wish people would give him the respect he earned by winning 7 MR. Olympia titles!
You always have the most interesting ideas for bodybuilding videos!
every video is so original. even my adhd cant stop me from not finishing them
lol thanks
Shawn rays vacuum always reminds me of a melted chocolate Easter egg. That’s a strange compliment.
you just made phil haters love him.. only down side i see here is the bad lighting in the modern bodybuilding, i mean you cannot see the striations with that lighting, plus unlike before where all body building were among a mixed physique divisions, onions, carrots and tomatoes in the same category, but now its all about potaotoes vs potatoes, which makes it so boring. i would say mix classic with the mass monsters back again. get them leaner and X shaped i mean shorter guys cannot be as fuller as the tall guys or they will turn out like rolley winklar,
Ronnie would win against Phil, but Phil would win against everyone else in the 90's.
You should make more videos.
I always enjoy watching them. 🙂
This video would have around 66/33 % like/dislike ratio if it was made before the 2019 Mr. Olympia
Haha probably
A very good comparative purposeful and comprehensive study and all the points are clarified, well done and good work, sir ...plz continue
This video is so spot on (for the most part) I’ve come back to it twice because of the topic and side by side. 👍🏾
Bro! Tom! You are the man, your same 3 favorites from the 90’s are my top 3 as well, I was listing mine off in my head as you were going and I was like oh snap! We picked the same ones!
Ronnie = unbeatable
Ferdinand Vanko unbeatable at his best. He beat Jay more than Jay beat him right? Sooooo
Phil will still do better in 90s era if he competed..He is complete compared to most of the guys in 90s..the only guy who got the 3D look before Phil was Kevin Levrone.. Phil is a champ for some reasons..the 3D popping muscles,rounder fuller look..crazy body parts like triceps,delts,forearm and back (not width but detailes thickness especially after 2014)..
I dont care about what anyone says, but with a tight midsection, phil heath is the greatest and most complete bodybuilder in the history
I completely agree
Dunno about that, his only flaw is his narrowness, I mean if Ronnie Coleman had a tight midsection then there would be no dispute of him being the greatest bodybuilder ever
@@mainaccount7585 what about the very high and inner curved calves or the flat triceps
Muscle wise yes, but his frame is pretty bad
ronnie triceps are bigger than phil, look at bdb
One of your best vids yet
One like for King Ronnie colemen...😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
Phil Heath with an in check midsection is pretty impossible to beat
@Scott Grudziadz Ronnie was bigger and more freaky with those peaky short biceps and massive back
Ronnie smokes phill LOL
Almost all current Bodybuilders would do well in 90s linups because the competitors were for the most time just smaller back then
Phil is top 5 best bodybuilders of all time
Regarding 90s (and earlier) conditioning, people need to remember that striated glutes were not a thing. It wasn't a _bug_ to not have striated glutes, it was a _feature_ . I'm sure there have been advancements in conditioning, but I believe much of the change has been dialing in the right combination of "supplements".
Gaspari did it and then other people started doing it. However, when Gaspari first did it, a lot of people did not see it as a good thing. Sure it looked freaky, but a lot of bodybuilding fans aren't into freaky. They are into aesthetics and a classic look. Getting your bodyfat to nothing and draining every spare microliter of water out of your body is not part of the classic look. Have you seen Greek and Roman statues with striated glutes? Me neither.
Also remember that many bodybuilders knew how it could be done, but chose not to do it. Pushing the limits can be a very dangerous thing. Just ask Mohammed Benaziza, Nasser El Sonbaty, and Andreas Münzer. Oh wait, you can't. They're dead. Many 90s bodybuilders knew some of the things other guys had started doing, but they didn't want to be the guinea pigs that pushed the limits. Steve Brisbois was with Mohammed when he died. Brisbois almost immediately retired from bodybuilding.
It is fair to compare eras based on how they actually looked, but we also need to consider the different attitudes and "technologies" of the time.
I mean Phil is better than Dorian so he would win at least six of the Olympias in the 90s
you are Right 👍
Solid video! I remember despising phil heathe purely on how he was portrayed on generation iron. Then I started realizing and appreciating his work ethic and physique. Cant wait to see him compete again
Health's only issue is that he is pinched. He is fairly narrow across his clavicle. He has incredible shoulders..but they are rather close together. But as far as development goes, he is at the top of the heap. Other than being narrow and having the issue controlling his midsection, Heath is on another level.
when a lot of people say the current lineup would not beat the best of the 90s lineup I don't really think they mean Phil Heath in that or at least I would not. Phil Heath would never beat Ronnie in his prime I don't think anybody really could. That there's a reason Phil Heath was 7 time Mr Olympia!! Just like Ronnie though wear-and-tear and the drug abuse got him over time.
I agree. I'm not a Heath fan, but what is right is right. At his peak, he was one of the best and most complete bodybuilders in history
If you reverse this and put 90s bodybuilders in today, they probably wouldn't win either. The criteria is different. 90s still the best though.
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Ph: like this
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Nobody said he wouldnt do well! Even Ronnie said Phil is the exception
Nobody says it _now_ that he's essentially retired, but just a year or two ago you can find comments everywhere saying all sorts of sh*t about how Phil wouldn't do well in the 90s. People have short memories
Nasser didn’t beat Dorian because of politics!
He would be destroyd by ronnie coleman but he would place in the top 3
Awesome comparisons, thank you
Most fan's dont agree, but I think Phil Heath is the greatest of all time
No that title would go to Arnold Schwarzenegger, if it wasn't for Arnold bodybuilding would be just as famous as pool table
B̋l̋űe̋ ̋C̋h̋i̋l̋i̋ I’m talking physiquewise, the biggest influence was without doubt Arnold
Phil could’ve beat almost anyone in the 90s. Except Ronnie in 98,99. Ronnie was on a different level and would’ve dwarfed him. No shame though in losing to the king
phil is great threat to Ronnie too.....phil is genetics freak and has never did heavy exercises like Ronnie
I feel that Kai, Phil, Jay and Dex are the only 2000s bodybuilders that really could compete in the 90s
Rod OB doesn’t matter they’re era was 2000s era
Phil Heath would have been in the top 5-2. But there's no way he would have ever taken down a prime Coleman. He would have been battling it out with Yates. He is in the Levrone/Ray/Flex category. 14:48 - it's a done deal.
Phil 2010 Arnold my favourite personally even though he lost
فيل هيث آرنولد كلاسيك 2010 أجمل جسم قدم للعالم
I was there and agree
Phil would destroy The 90's bodybuilders. Ronnie Dorian would have good chances (Peak Ronnie is unbeatable) and maybe Kevin/Nasser/Flex at their peak would give him a run.
The first time i abree with every comparison and decision you made. Phil, though not my favourite bodybuilder, that honour goes to Shawn Ray and Bob Paris as a tie, doesnt get nearly the credit he deserves. Well done. ,
Great topic for a video, that was fun to watch!
So the 90s fanboys would have to cling their hope into ronnie even though he was more of a early 000s competitor , Phil heath is the most complete genetically gifted Mr olympia next to sergio
Phil Heath is one of the best bodybuilders ever. Phil and Ronnie have that complete package of fullness, roundness and conditioning.
Phil is the man. People talk about his gut but yet there's so many more with worse. Kai being the worst I've ever seen but folks don't seem to mind his. Ronnie Coleman's gut was blownout for a few years too.
Phil is confident and people hate that.
Not to mention phill had an excuse for his gut. Guy had 2 hernia surgeries and he still lost his gut almost completely.
@@richhartnell6233 your spot on with that
Freedom five when talking about his confidence, there’s being confident and then there’s being arrogant. The only reason Phil would get so much hate from people is the way he reacts to getting negative remarks. Instead of just brushing them to the side and getting on with the task at hand, he will make small remarks to boost his arrogance. People don’t react well to that. The sign of a true champion is someone who can take criticism and turn it into something positive, not over react and go on the defensive. Don’t get me wrong, Phil is a fantastic bodybuilder and will go down as an all time great, but will he ever reach the legendary levels like Dorian, Ronnie, Flex, Shawn and Kevin?
To the people that talk about Phil’s arrogance...just stop. It doesn’t matter, it’s “who has the best physique” competition, not who is the most humble. Phil is my opinion, hands down, along with Ronnie, the greatest/most complete bodybuilder to
I am not a fan of phils personality. But i have been thinking the same thing as you: even though on average the 90s guys were better phil would still beat them. Or at least most of them
Great Video Bro! I enjoyed it till the End! The Comparison's were Spot on, your judging was Great and Fair. I couldn't agree more with you!
Phil is a human anatomy perfection
2013 phil which is the best version imo would dominate most of the 90s guys easily
I don't think anyone is saying prime Phil wouldn't do well in the 90's. But anything after 2013 would get destroyed in my opinion
this was great. you have a lot of original content. Keep it up.
Yeees! Sure the 90s were a great era for bodybuilding but people nowadays obsess over it way to much saying no modern bodybuilder could rival the 90s crew. They had flaws too, let's not forget how 97 Dorian won an Olympia literally without a biceps
Phil is the best of all
I don't think Phil is arrogant at all. He definitely is the most complete bodybuilder from the last decade. And if it weren't for those abs.. (shrugs)..
it's great u put time to it and really explain it for d fool fans who think they know anything about bodybuilding, but they don't know shit
phil is truly d gift, he's complete in anyway along, and really there ain't anybody who could beat him, other than big ron
PHIL beats DORIAN any day!!
PHIL against RONNIE - Ronnie Has the edge and most likely beat Phill ;however, Phil is so complete that a case can be made for Phil beating Ronnie.
doryan was as good as phill and bigger and more conditioned too maybe where he tore his bicep but phil had big gut too, i dont think so , phil would be joke next to ronnie
Great video! Something to think about for sure. Thanks!
Phil would be the same size first off and second, Ronnie is the only one who would beat phil. Like him or not, Phil is next level
well he obviously isn't if Ronnie beats him lol. He's one level down 😕😕
Awesome video! Some of your finest work imo 👌
Ofc he would do well in 90s lineup! Also don't like Phil, but you have to admit, in his prime he was a monster!
Honestly I just think Yates was overrated,terrible arms,shoulda never won 97,his chest was on the small side,only those damn black and white photos does the shadow really impress and thats with no one around him!!his back was 2nd to none,which is probably what saved him,but u look at him in a lot of these lineups,he was lucky he stopped in 97,cuz Ronnie woulda definately beat him in 98!!and yea I'm another one who really doesnt care for Heath but he looked really good in side bye sides with Yates!!
If Kai Green had won one Mr O against Phil., am sure Phil would have more Fans than now. Love for Kai, Phils attitude, statement on Arnold gave him so much haters...
Absolutely. Those are all major contributing factors. Forgot about his jab at Arnold's legs... I for one know how bad a move criticizing the Governator can be! 😆
Really good video! Pleasantly surprised!
Phil Heath would crush them only challenge is Ronnie
I still think no one (even Ronnie in his prime time) can beat Phil in back double biceps.
Brah the drugs and knowledge that came after the 90s gave birth to Phil Heath what would hapen if he trained in 90 era ?
The drugs have really not changed much since the mid 2000s and if he has better competition, maybe he’d be pushed to train harder. So I’d say he’d look just as food if not better than what he looks now if he was in that era.
The drugs where cleaner in the 90s, they didn't need as much so they didn't abuse them. The drugs these days are all rubbish compared so they are run a lot higher therefor all the nasty side effects and the completwly differently look and conditioning etc.
Ask anyone who was using them then and now and they'll tell you there are not the same anymore
Kevin is better than Phil - Phil is awesome but Kevin was great the 90s the best ever no one could touch Dorian