what you don't know about the C400!
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CVP continues to be thorough, prolific, and timely. It's really impressive to see you churn out videos like this so regularly. THANK YOU for everything you do. Between you and CineD we have encyclopedic access to almost every relevant piece of cinema gear made in the last 10 years. Please keep up the excellent work, and know that there are those of us who deeply appreciate it.
A locking RF to EF adapter from Canon itself, with electronic contacts, would be a very welcomed solution. 👌🏻
Check out the new Meike RF to EF locking one. It accepts Canon filters, maintains electronic contacts, and works very well. I own it and use it on the V-Raptor.
at 5:33 Cam B is certainly the c70. Softer with more DOF.
Sharing export settings to RUclips this is truly my favorite channel for Photography/videography
very informative video on c400 thanks CVP.
That last comparison shot was wild, I knew which one was the c70 immediatly in motion, but pausing and looking at the differences as stills, it was much closer... Maybe adding a bit of softness to the c400 and touch of hilation or glow for the skin and they'd be spot on. This tells me that the c400 will probably be a more clinical camera all around - which is great becasue the c70 has a hard time doing that for commercial work on it's own!
This guy pulls for SURE
And we’re not talking focus.
@@invisibleadversary😂
CVPs f-boy era.
loll
Great work. I think you covered everything. Can't wait for September!!
Great superpacked video with loads of interesting things in a minimum amount of time. Inspiring, good work!
8:10 I recently bought a Panasonic S5, and I didn't know this was even a thing, this makes pulling focus so much easier thank you so much for mentioning that!
Could you do a virtual production with LED volume test with this camera? That would enable you to also demonstrate the auto clear scan mode and I would put it also with the C500 Mark two and C300 mark three in the same test. Make it its own video. RED has the global shutter which is excellent for LED volumes. so I’d be curious how clear scan works and demonstrating the differences with the REDs
I was hoping there would be a DR test comparison to the C500 mark II. A Canon representative said the C400 has the highest dynamic range of any Canon model to date. But from your other video, it sounded like it didn’t based on over and under exposure, which I don’t find very useful to be honest. I prefer an actual number to compare, as the manufacturers lie like sidewalks and by a LOT. I would love to see a CineD style lab test chart with the graph showing medium results. The C500 has the highest dynamic range next to Arri cameras according to CineD. I would go there, but they haven’t tested the camera at all. I am subscribed to you guys and I appreciate the excellent reviews you do despite my comment here. Thank you so much!
I believe Canon said highest dynamic range of any of their "full frame" cameras. I know the S35 DGO sensors are great but IMO If it's close to or better than the C500mkii then I think we're in for a treat. I preffer the highlight rolloff on the C500mkii compared to the C300mkiii personally - although I might be a bit biased living in sunny Australia!
@@ShaneVanLitz Yes that what their rep said and I agree the C500 is the one to beat and I hope they at least matched the DR
@@Cameraonthemove669 We've managed to have a quick hands on with a C400 and compared it to the C500mkii and a C70 and FX6 all using Canon CNE 50mm (35mm on c70). The C500 was a bit blue/magenta and the C400 leaned warm/green but both are correctable and could be different CNE sets behaving slightly differently. The C400 has much cleaner shadows in XAVC but they are smudgier and with less over all saturation in the deepest shadows where as C500 got honestly quite ugly. The C500 did have more detail in the noise but it's colour noise and some of it is more fixed / doesn't clean up as nicely and looks less filmic IMO. In RAW the noise is similar but the C400 cleans up much better, needing less than half the de-noising, but IDK if I'd say you'd get another stop out of it, just that it cleans up better. Lastly, highlights seemed to roll off very similarly, maybe a tiny hair better on C400 but margin of error stuff in the highlights IMO. The FX6 performed the worst, not a surprise, but even at ISO 12800 the C400 was much cleaner. Like, a lot cleaner. Which was surprising to me.
Don‘t get it that there is no autofocus up to 120p in 4K, when a lower tier camera like the C70 has it. Canon should solve that via firmware update!
Yeah I mean what the hell Canon?! Even the R3 can do that
@@hawaiifreespeechnews seems to be already solved now. There will be AF for 120p in 4K. 🙏🏻
@@thedeliveryman2064 Oh good news!
...the automatic base iso could be improved. It would be nice, if the Base Iso switches to the nearest base iso instead to change when you reach or pass a base iso. That would deliver always an image with less noise....It would be great, to have that option
I like his hair
@@gordonsmith33 I have an up coming shampoo commercial are you up for it?
@@lerecklessbadger2411 Yes! I got the probe lens ready!
@@gordonsmith33 LOL !!
with how good blackmagics ui is, i think everyone else needs to step up their game. the huge and convoluted menu systems of Sony, Canon, Panasonic, Fuji and basically everyone are just, filthy
cleared most of the queries. thank you
Answering my questions ++ with an entire video. Legends!!
I think a Canon RF to locking EF adapter is desperately needed for this camera and to use with future Canon RF mount cameras. Better than a third party solution I think... and make the camera usable with remote follow focus etc. They should be providing a solid mount option for all the people heavily invested in Canon EF mount lenses. The locking Ef mount was a game changer.
Thanks for such detailed info. Quite interesting to see the match with C70. I’m sure they will match perfectly well in most situations (definitely not at high ISO’s). I was actually quite surprised to see though that my immediate preference was for the image on the right hand side, so the C70, just by a hair. The C400 is features galore by comparison of course. In a way it is quite nice to see that the C70 and C300miii are not ‘dead’ as a lot of camera releases tend to suggest.
C70 is too soft for a lot of users. Curious to see if the c500 mark ii is a better match.
@@lerecklessbadger2411 the c70 needs a little touch of sharpness in most instances, but captures people and skin tones very well in most cases. I've never found it to be too soft, but understand what you mean when you hold it up against a lot of it's competition. If anything the c400 will look more comparable to every other cam at this level with similar specs. A welcome change for me since I mainly shoot commercial, but I've always loved the image the c70 produces!
@@MrMoviePhoneEx Thanks for the feedback. I am rather interested in the possibilities of matching the c400 with the full frame c500 markii. They would have the same sharpness to start with and I wonder if the cn-e primes will intercut better since with full frame they use the total surface of the glass and not only the center with s35 cameras like the c70 and c300 markiii. Also, I am curious to see if the full frame R5c is not too sharp... Let's be honest we are spoiled for choice.. I haven't got the camera but I am already contemplating what would be the best B cam... The upcoming R1 and R5markii are also worthy "outsiders" to consider....
@@MrMoviePhoneEx Thanks for the feedback. I am rather interested in the possibilities of matching the c400 with the full frame c500 markii. They would have the same sharpness to start with and I wonder if the cn-e primes will intercut better since with full frame they use the total surface of the glass and not only the center with s35 cameras like the c70 and c300 markiii. Also, I am curious to see if the full frame R5c is not too sharp... Let's be honest we are spoiled for choice.. I haven't got the camera but I am already contemplating what would be the best B cam... The upcoming R1 and R5markii are also worthy "outsiders" to consider....
@@MrMoviePhoneEx Yeah agreed. I can see why people think the C70/C300mkiii is soft when put side by side with Sony cameras, but I haven’t had a single client or production house question sharpness in the four years I’ve used a C70. As you say it does capture faces very well, and I guess what I shoot a lot of the time is interviews and accompanying b-roll so perhaps it depends what most of your work is. I’m going to hang onto my C70 for as long as I can I think. I’m sure I’ll get tempted by something! Curious to see what Sony comes up with next as well as the C400 being out there. Might rent the C400 when required perhaps.
Thanks so much for answering my question about the usb-c video out. 🎉😊
thanks for all the answers, unfortunately no answer on external recording capabilities. I plan on using this with the atomos shogun ultra. I imagine there won't be any drawbacks. But there may be some positives.
Cheers!
I’ve been an FS7 user for 8 years, and FX9 user for 1.5 year. Now I’m selling my FX9 to go for the C400. It does everything I want and that my FX9 can’t do that frustrates me.
Sony FX series getting new models FY24 🎉 with a few perhaps.... global shutter ✅
C400 indeed well rounded however. Sorry my English not good 👍
@@8020Aliveyeah but I’m more or less done with Sony. They kill their own cameras ny releasing cheaper cameras more capable than the big brother. Also, I doubt Sony won’t match this performance in the same price range. Also, once new FX cameras are released my FX9 will be worthless. As of now no one wants to buy it from me.
Like what?
@@noahyv shallow flange mount, 6K sensor, full frame, codecs and high bitrates, slow mo above 100 fps, raw, ND filters, great AF, tripple ISO, false color. Several of these points aren’t even in the FX9 while it’s heavier, bulkier, draws more power, and more expensive
Very good video its only flaw is. That ther should have been more time. Between you provided the answer. Then proceded to the following question. One example is the infermation. That you had posted on the video cameras battery life.
Can you match the C400 with the R1 without colorgrading ? or how simillar is the colors ?
Canon has several RF to EF adapters including: (1) Canon Drop-In Filter Mount Adapter EF-EOS R with Variable ND Filter, (2) Canon Mount Adapter EF-EOS R, and (3) Canon Control Ring Mount Adapter EF-EOS R.
Will the Configurable Control Ring of #3 show as a customizable option in the C400 menu system?
Can you demonstrate how the side handle rotates? Is it similar to how the FX6 has a thumb button to rotate it? Is the C400 similar to that one?
No it’s a rosette that you have to unscrew, similar to the C300 iii. I wish it was quick release like the FX6 one!
@@CVPTV that's bummer...but not a killer. Sure someone will make some add-on that addresses that.
I have ordered a Tilta quick release rosette that fixes this issue.
@@sa.t.2507 MY MAN! That is it! Much appreciated for that find!!!
@@wjohnson1186 no problem glad to help! I got the Shape extension handle with quick release, so I will have the same function as I had on my FX9 with the arm but on the C400
The c70 is a special gem
Any field results about the actual DR difference with a DGO sensor camera?
Yes bro!!! Loving the haircut… 🎉
Does the Waveform show on an external monitor when OSD Out is on? On previous cinema cameras, for some crazy reason, the waveforms would not show.
Looking at that sensor is like looking at a Blackmagic Camera 2 years ago.
I’m guessing that camera A is the C400 based on the facial hair having more definition possibly due to the higher resolution sensor..
This is so good, thanks! I was wondering which sharpening settings you have been using - whether in camera or in post. All the shots look pretty clinical so far to me.
How does it look almost identical to c70?! Would love to see more comprehensive outdoor comparison. How does it stack up it IQ of Burano?
Regarding auto black balance: does this appear by itself from time to time or is this something the user must perform every now and then? How often do you Canon shooters do this in real life?
My R5C prompts me to do this in 15~ degree ambient temp differences.
@@aaronjonellhall1937cool thanks
User has do it on their own initiative. I tend to do it at every new location when I remember (I sometimes forget).
@@mmolokichrystie9760 ok cool. I never do it on my Sony tho for the last 10 years lol
If you can upload video samples in raw format that we can try, this would be useful. Thank you for your efforts
I’m thinking of going back to canon I’m black magic can’t lie the 60D is one of the best things to happen to film and that’s a dslr haven’t touched a canon cine any suggestions
I don‘t know what the difference between the 16stop DR that Canon said and the DR of the C400 when it was actually filmed.
Canon EOS R3,R1 and EOS C 80 , C400.....ALL use the same Full Frame 26.7MP Stacked CMOS sensor.
C80 = glorified R3
C400= glorified R1
In C80 and C400 they utilise only 36x19 mm sensor area of total 36x24 mm sensor area.
Only the difference is the signal amplifier with three gains.
Canon can't develop a dedicated cinema camera sensor? Use the same still camera sensor?.
Sony FX9 uses a dedicated 36x19 20 MP sensor.
Thanks! What camera did you use to shoot this video?
Thanks for this. Can’t wait to not get it and stick with my C300iii
I'd be curious to see if the dynamic range is better on the C300iii
He already showed that it is by quite a bit it seems. Look at CVP's original c400 video
@@ProbstfeldCreative it wouldn’t be by design. The C300iii/C70 are DGO sensors and will just have more dynamic range because of it.
I’m sure the C400 is good, but in other ways.
@@wjohnson1186 I agree, but it would be useful to really know by how much a DGO sensor beats this one in terms of DR.
@@noahyvin the video you are referencing, the difference was negligible
can you review that tascam unit? it has compatibility with Canon, Nikon, Fuji, and general Analog out .
When in S35 mode, can it shoot 2x anamorphic using the full height of the sensor?
Asking for little clarification - you say there's only AF in S&F mode "between your project frame rate and 60p". What does this mean exactly? Does AF only work if your project framerate matches your S&F framerate and only up to 60p?
Can you record to an external hard drive (like a samsung T7) via the usb-c port? or is it only able to record to the sd and cf express cards internally?
I wondered about this too.
Ah interesting on the sensor, so no availability for future open gate recording in Full Frame.
Hold your horses… open gate that is for the canon c600…
Hi!
One question that I seem to be confused by....6K raw but no 6K XF AVC only 4K?
Does C400 have 172.8 shutter angle when doing slow motion (like 120p) at 24Hz system frequency? (my C70 doesn't) And does new batteries with N work on C70 as well? Thank you!
How’s the HDMI lag? Latency any better there?
Did you guys film this episode in Nando's?
Is it possible to replace the monitor USB-C cable with any other USB-C cable i want or does it work only with the dedicated one from Canon?
Does it have less dynamic range than C300 M3 and C500 M2?
Does it us AI and Digic X?
Guys, could you compare the GH7 and S400 on the dynamic range to shoot the sun?
Don't be weird, it's lab test
@@iyason6878 do you think they don't go outside?)
Skintones c70/c300 > c400
I think it has to do with the sensor. Full frame & larger sensor has less contrast & tend to push a little blue than Super 35. I notice this on Fujifilm gfx vs Fujifilm super 35 Xtrans sensor too
TBH I like the c70 image over he c400's here. Sure c70 looks hella soft in comparison, but the c400 feels more like an overly sharp pink skin sony (aka anaemic FS700 days - though obv a tonne better)
Imagine CVP would do a proper dynamic range test. 😌
Super interested in the c400 though i would need to run it next the the c300 mkiii to see if it's worth it.
Sell it while you can, once C400 is released you will have a hard time selling it (take this from a person who can’t sell his FX9 because of FX6).
@@sa.t.2507 oh I don't own a c300 mkiii. We shoot on old Arri Amiras, canon 300 mkiis if we need auto focus, and pocket 6ks if we need more than 3 cameras.
I was looking at picking up some c70s alongside a c300mkiii or two to replace both the mkiis we run as well as our pockets.
Im still leaning toward the mkiiis, but waiting to see if there is some magic pixie dust in the c400 image, or if it has some great features that helps with our workflow.
@@nickxc oh cool, good for you! I only have and use my FX9 for everything I do. The FX9 has an amazing image but at the cost of no FF slow mo, no autofocus in slow mo, and a bunch of other small things that drives me nuts.
Canon has done well with the C400. There’s an asian commercial-looking video on youtube shot on the C400. Looks great.
Can you output uncropped clean 1080i via sdi for broadcast environments?
You can straight away tell that A was the C400. It looks like a mirrorless camera as opposed to the image that comes out of C70 and C500. why is that?
It looks pretty good tbh, but the DGO in the C70 kills everything in the price range
Is the C400 monitor compatible with the R5C via USB-C? It would be a gamechanger to be able to tap focus on a moveable monitor loke this. Canon pls make this happen.
I don’t believe it is, but I will suggest this to Canon! Jake
@@CVPTV , if the monitor could be compatible with the C70 it would (also) be a game changer..
The 4k 120 raw but S35 only is a bummer
it’s not RAW though if it doesn’t window the 6k sensor to get the 4k. impossible not to crop
And no AF. That’s a downgrade from the C70.
@@urielsantistebanfilms and the r5c (3k raw has AF)
glad you said _ "He ros see" HIrose* this time LOL sorry I griefed you... it just felt like an important one that everyone has been at some point corrected on.
So given your SDI latency tests. If I did my math correctly thats four frames at 24p...
Does it take the Canon evf.
No. USB c only.
We are waiting to see if third party companies could offer us options. Black Magic has such monitor but no one has tested it as far as I know.
Do you have any time frame for the release of the C 600 ?
19mm not 24mm
0:18 "We can see that licking across the test.."
It’s a nice camera but Sony really knows video and has the products and track record to prove it.
No matter how you look at it, The vertical sensor size is 24mm, and the thumbnail is a photo of the C400 body with the sensor exposed.
11 seconds into the video, the camera blurts out "Height 19mm" in large letters, which made me burst out laughing lol
(Of course, this is true within the effective pixel count that we can use)
That SDI delay is horrible and it’s absolutely useless for pulling focus or anything that requires real time monitoring this 400 is a nothing burger once again. Canon is still living in the past.
Well, it looks like. But do you know what's the delay in other cams? I don't and now badly in need to know!!
@@alexanderdavidyuk5027 the Venice has 100ms and I've pulled focus on it with no issues.
@@alexanderdavidyuk5027but to answer your question, Fx6 has around 100-120ms latency, Arris have around 20ms (virtually none). Overall it is not a very big factor unless you are having to remotely pull focus on a very intense scenes. And honestly between 100ms and 160ms there is barely any noticeable difference. The only difference I notice is with Arri Cameras because it is so low.
Keep your FX6 then...
I assume the test was made with the 12G SDI-port. The MON-port is most likely quicker. Perhaps CVP can confirm this?
I hate the thumbnail, just makes the team look incompetent.
Muffin
Weeeeird video.
How come?
@@CVPTV I think you'll probably find that was a weeeeird comment.