I feel so validated about y'all opinions on Ky's shock state, shock state is quite a bit stronger now and Ky players didn't really care about it prior to this patch, but now he NEEDS it to do both his real combos compared to what he used to do when foudre arc could combo AND his new shock state enabled set play with the + a bajillions frames Shock State CSE gives now. Like the shock state times are super whack. How long shock state lasts is both different on the move that applies shock state and whether it was on hit or not. For reference: 180 frames (3 seconds) : Stun Edge/Air Stun Edge on hit/block, Dire Eclat on block 300 frames (5 seconds) : Charge Stun Edge on hit/block, Dire Eclat on Hit, Sacred Edge Stun edge is so bad at applying shock state, you can apply shock state via stun edge, grab someone, do CSE, and shock state will have run out before CSE lands (no CSE + frames, no new setplay). Mortabato DI: Like most Ky players really really dislike how almost all Ky balance changes end up with "Buff DI". I think DI is in a good state now - it is a desperation super that is plus on block. I don't want to see Ky DI-ing every game, it should be a situational super.
As a Ky player the only thing I want now is sauce (and a little buff to SS) DI can give you more style, however it is pretty situational My proposed solution to this problem is: -DI has less recovery (25->20) -Less gravity scaling, so you can reliably use it in combos (it is already possible to combo into and out of it, but it's not really consistent) Outside of DI buffs I'd probably increase SS duration by like 1 second for every move that applies it. Also, the fact that SS does litteraly nothing to SD is awful. There's no real reason at the moment to spend SS on SD. Giving it HKD is probably too much, so I would genuinely just make it so 2nd hit doesn't consume SS at all
Respect for keeping calm and open-minded presenting your hard work to LK and having most feedback be either "okay next" or "CAP" lol. For real though his honest and thoughtful opinions are a great addition to this video, even if he has terminal competitor brain. Air Winger would be neat bro it's okay if it doesn't make her stronger!! Anyway it's cool to see someone actually making an earnest effort of showing how they'd go about trying to improve the game. IMO this list errs too much on safety -- a bit too heavy on sanding down a characters strengths and weaknesses both, or just making them how they used to be. Gotta give respect for the ambition on the Anji rework, though.
ch 5p already combos into snail. i actually really like what they did in the current patch where they reintroduced some situational combo ability back to rainwater without making it overcentralizing. i do think they could go a little bit further with his consistency issues (buff 6h, make tornado's grounded launch a teeny tiny bit better). sickle storm sucks a lot now outside of being exclusively a reversal so it'd be cool if they made it hit a lot more to cut through guts idk i think with more nerfs to some of the ridiculous shit axl might be good. i think he's very "eh" right now but he's workable
re: DS input, ive played around w/a mod that changes it to down + burst. eliminates the wakeup buffering issue and makes it auto-crosscut, which removes the OS while keeping it useful against left/right in a more controlled way
As somebody who recently dropped the character as well, LK is definitely spittin about Millia. Completely anticipate Arcsys to give a tone-deaf win-more j.H level 3 because it's heavily represented in her offense. The reason why Air OK Winger falls flat to me is that she has a meter penalty for existing in Strive. Sometimes routing in the air will give my opponent more resources than I gain. Even if I get the Winger knockdown -- which just like season 2 most millias are not actually opting for -- I very likely won't have the meter to badmoon 50/50 them. So really, unless you're killing them off of that air combo itself, it's not gonna see like any use. After BWA wallbreak died, she went right back to fighting the system with routing/resetting/wallbreaking. The changes listed in the notes all sound exciting and I hope Arcsys can at least look at this as a thought experiment to try and examine character problems with more nuance instead of just giving them new broken tools and then ignoring us for half a year.
My only wish is for dizzy to get an arial version of roasting chestnuts or for ice freeze to work through pot's armor. Having only grounded specials when pot can full screen slide head with armor... This feels like an insane matchup. Edit: To be clear, I don't need advice in the Pot matchup. I beat Pot players all the time. I know the matchup better than anyone. It's just, hopping around unable to use special moves isn't exactly my idea of a fun game. Both Dizzy and Asuka matchups against Pot need serious tuning. If we had a little more counterplay in that one matchup, this season would be my dream patch.
There's like a few soft buffs I would go for like better round start options with an 11f f.S and fixing some hitbox/hurtboxes with 6P, 5H(3), 2H, and 5D. And then there's the insane buffs I want because I want the privilege that the top tier characters always get. Make CH S Michael Sword HKD, and H Michael Sword and 2H armored, and Wings of Light super fast so we can use it like Blazblue Tsubaki charge cancels.
Ah yes, how dumb of me... I can just * checks notes * not use any of my special moves. My issue is that Layer 1 of the matchup is literally the dumbest possible nuetral in the history of Strive. Yes, f.s is great at stopping hammer fall, but that doesn't even begin to replace her entire kit of special moves. Her entire Layer 1 strategy against pot is nuetral jumping at full screen like a gd idiot, or running in with normals. Is it too much to ask to have a single special move to zone a grappler with? Why does my squishy zoner have to rush down the highest health and damage character in the entire game? Slide head, hammer fall, heat tackle, and mega fist invalidate every special move in her kit. And that's not even mentioning flick... I'm asking for a single nuetral interaction that can go in her favor.
On Axl 1. Rensen 8 CH tumble sounds good 2. CH 5P into snail already a thing 3. +4s on One vision pretty pointless since it's a combo tool Most Axl players will point to 6H and Rensen 2 as moves that need to be improved. Also Snail being -24 on block while stuff like Mist Finer,Arbiter Sign and Michael Sword are in the -8 to -15 range.
@@kajszi2075 safer normals and specials would be nice. I mean if we can't get rw vacuum on block, make uncharged tornado plus at all ranges that way he can have a safe extended block string
If Lordknight thinks Jacko 2D nerf should have stayed, all I can go and say is "Come on bro" back at him because this clearly shows they, or he does not know a thing about jacko.
Whether it's official or unofficial patches, favouritism always was and will be a factor in arcsys games. You can see it with changes like this and then others like Pot getting an actual 2 page of redesign.
Yeah, thank fucking god this guy isn’t on the balance team, making literally every move she has unsafe on block is the stupidest thing ever and clearly shows his biased hate toward her. She’s not even top tier anymore after her nerfs now, is these were the patch she would be awful and literally just a sword spam bot.
@@alexholmes8714 Hello. Axl. Have a nice day. (Edit, just to clarify, i just want to say that you can have a gameplan with unsafe moves, proof by axl, having a total of 0 safe special moves that dont have huge gaps, and not a single plus on block normal. Its ok as long as you have other strenght, and lets say ram as a ton of "other strenghts")
@macanudo6206 people complain about axl being bad too, as he is a low tier. and his entire kit is built around being far away with full screen moves that don’t matter if they are unsafe on block or not. It doesn’t matter when he’s minus if you can’t hit him after blocking it. But when every special ram has that is melee range is not safe on block she would literally just become a boring ass zoner like axl, only pressing far slash from max range and nothing else. Safe block pressure is extremely important to her character as a whole unlike axl. Also, nearly every “other strength” that ram has is from safe one block pressure. If you could mash on every special she has she would quite literally be bottom one. Now they didn’t actually say in the video to make EVERY special move unsafe on block, but if that was the case then like I said she would be bottom 1. No amount of spacing can save a character if they can’t perform pressure whatsoever, with how many neutral skips are in this game.
I like LKs POV. Characters need to be balanced, aggressively, before we do things like change how archetypes are shaped. This game would be better already if lightweights had more hp and maybe keep 90% of their damage and everyone else gets a 30% damage nerf. That’s a super flat and basic way of going about it but it’s low effort and a start. People have been saying offense is extremely strong for 4 years and the damage is extremely high and they keep saying “the flow of the game is too volatile making players unsatisfied, so we gave ram more pressure, damage, and guard crush. And we buffed goldlewis and leo”
I was waiting for both of them to completely erase pot from the game. Was pleasantly surprised to hear the understanding that pot needs some tuning but can be allowed to exist as a strong character.
@28:27 couldn't agree with LK more, bro it's 100 meter. Also, if you're just nerfing invincible supers, it leads to unintuitive gamefeel for people who don;t know that that specific type of super can;t cancelled. If someone has 100 meter, think about that when you try to do oki
Give Anji 3S :) Edit: It keeps its old frame data very slow mid that moves forward, +1 on block, and cancelable from close S but he can only cancel back into close slash if it catches a low on start-up. It can be thrown or beaten by a mid on reaction and neutral jump into jump in if predicted. This would be synergistic with the spin can be beaten by lows nerf.
2:07:45 If this is in the game, I think it should cost a chunk of her health, otherwise it sounds pretty scrubby. Also a somewhat calls back to how she worked in XX a bit
I'll give my two cents on this Community Balance Patch, and I'll talk about Potemkin. There's a mechanic that I hate and that's guard crush, but, if you remove it from the game, Garuda Impact and most of Potemkin's threat should be reworked because that without guard crush, and the meter gain from PB, he'll be dead weight. Although Arcsys buffed many tools from Potemkin's kit when they realized that only Garuda wasn't enough to make the character viable, despite it being an horrible mechanic overall. So either guard crush stay but is removed from Wild Assault and no nerf to Pot's meter gain, or remove Guard Crush but he'll have to have something really good to take Garuda's place, I hate this move but him is built around it's guard crushing properties in order to mix the opponent up.
Regarding Anji: let's say Katano emailed you saying 'No Anji redesigns, no new moves or deletion of moves, too much work'. What are your recommendations for Anji balancing at that point?
seeing you have an actual productive conversation and talk in depth about the game feels like hell freezing over. like i'm sure u do it all the time in private but watching ur vids i wouldn't think that lmao
Ngl, i really dont like the Dragon Install change. Combined with the change earlier preventing super rc, it'd suck do install, it gets blocked and then you just die
They have the negative penalty portion right? Cause the changes that make hc get more negative depending on actions they do, I think patch 2.5? Idk though. And all my hommies hate hc. Like faust never gets negative (please keep)
do something with bedman 2s to differentiate it from f.s cuz rn its a worse low than 2d in neutral, is completely negligible in pressure, and is worse than f.s in combos due to c.s properties, all while having similar frame data and neutral reward to f.s. one of the few truly dead moves in the game methinks
The first song is from the album Sumo Jungle. It's by the guy who did the Ape Escape music. I'm on mobile rn but it's like the first or second track so shouldn't be too hard to find. The second track is from Persona 4 and it plays when you're walking around the town at daytime. I'd look up the name but I'm actually in the middle of my first playthrough right now and don't wanna risk music spoilers. Sorry I couldn't give you exact track names lol
I'm with LK on overdrive RC and DP RC, that's some of the shit that makes Guilty Gear unique and they've both got counterplay if you hard read them not being able to RC a DP on whiff is already perfect (though getting mix out of DP RC is broken as fuck, something else could be done to make that worse, like nerfing those DPs hitboxes so they're easier to bait)
Gotta say, i was suspicious about the changes you were about to introduce. But i was wrong, great changes, sadly devs won't implement them. Although im not entirely sure about "Axl should stay nerfed" mentality.
No one in the game has resource that can only be earned again through a super. Johnny shouldnt have one either. U dont get that much from spamming deal into mist finer.
I think the point is, they use that super in a lot of routes anyway so it’s not a huge deal, just adds more dynamism to the rest of his kit because at the moment he‘s a little flowcharty for the type of character he is.
@cameronrramos naw, people are acting like he's as good as sol or happy chaos. U need meter for the character to be viable, and I have to use that to gain resources? It makes no sense.
42:42 Hotashi... SRSLY... what were you smoking... Aside from the from the rensen 8 buff, everything else is just... NO.... Oh. btw he's ALWAYS been able to combo from 5p ch...🙄 Some stuff of the other characters I agree on... but the Axl stuff... No...
@macanudo6206 it's not the rainwater loop for me its more of the vacuum on block. I can totally understand the loops being overpowered and I'm an Axl main. the thing is the rainwater rps on block helped Axl in opening up his opponent especially in leveling the playing field some what in some of his worst matchups.
@@Mr.Voyager51 yeah it suck i agree, but its not the end of the world. If you never tried it, you can do c.S > kara rainwater to retain a fraction of his corner pressure. Its not much, but its something. Stay strong axl bro
I cannot believe that out of all of these whack ass patch notes, these two really looked at Bedman and went “yep, he’s staying EXACTLY the same” while having that “unfun/difficult to play” tier on the list including it. The furniture is still bugged (head bomb doesn’t travel vertically at all, even though patch notes said it would), it’s still significantly struggling in most of its MUs and has generally been one of the weakest characters in the game since launch. If the goal of the patch was to take characters down to its level, then sure, but they don’t come even close to that.
I know this vid was before the emergency patch, but frfr I think they shouldn't have done it. I think it set a HORRIBLE precident and completely undermines their creative direction. I do think they could've revisited some of this stuff in a later, PLANNED patch. however, them doing an "emergency patch" b/c ppl were complaining about it just conditions the community to complain about shit whenever they don't like it. and frfr, I also think that them adding the kara shit back was a mistake too, for the same reason. sometimes games change shit and it is what it is. I think that the game's direction will be vastly different from what it could've been, b/c they'll no longer be as willing to make such bold and interesting changes, and that hurts the long term health of this game imo. notice that I didn't say explicitly what they should or shouldn't have changed, b/c tbh I'm *not* the game/battle designer, and I don't know what stuff they had planned that we didn't know about. but now we'll never know what kinda cool and fun stuff they would've done in the future. *that version of the game* is dead, for better or worst.
Nah, while I complained endlessly about Kara being back on Potemkin, the patch did need to happen because it was fundamentally against their sole goal of the patch. They patched it because they themselves didn't believe in it
@@HellecticMojo if they didn't believe in it, they wouldn't have released it, announced a delay, and apologized or whatever. what reason, or evidence, do we have that they weren't sure about the changes they took the time to implement, and then release? them changing it *does* reinforce that they were "unsure" about some things, and that's silly imo. game design in general isn't some fly by night bs. it takes MONTHS (but more likely YEARS) of planning, and even more time spent testing. any time you finagle with game stuff, there's the potential to break stuff, and fixing that stuff is not free. I don't think they intended to do this at all. this wasn't like some baby patch where they change a couple of frames here and there. this was a radical evolution of the current game, that was likely laying the groundwork for future changes, which includes other characters, as well as other changes to the already existing roster. this could've easily been called strive xx accent core plus or whatever lol. if they failed at anything, it was the ability to communicate what they were doing and why they did it, to better prepare the players for these changes. but it's whatever at this point. the damage has been done, and the game that this will end as isn't the one we *might've* gotten, which is a shame imo. especially since after the hotfix players are ***still*** not happy.
@@Hotashi I'm not saying every change was perfect. what I'm saying is that them doing the changes, especially they way they did it, wasn't a good look for the future of the game. I don't know enough about this stuff to say what should or shouldn't be changed, and that's why I'm not talking about that stuff. it's just reflective of a trend I'm seeing across games lately that feels like "design by committee" and I personally don't like it.
@@salinalunara What evidence that they weren't sure? That they reverted many changes that quickly is the evidence. If they were truly making decisions from the ground up, it would've taken them long as you imagined, but it didn't. They were obviously weighing options beforehand and when option A didn't work out, they immediately swapped to option B because option B was still something they had in the back burner.
I'd bet if Hotashi picked up Sin he wouldn't even be able to win a weekly tournament, let alone top 8 a major. yet he says he's a free top 8. i think patachu is the only Sin I've seen with any success in the competitive scene. i'm not saying he doesn't need to be changed, but i think people underestimate how exploitable his flaws are. hotashi pick him up and prove me wrong.
I feel like not many top players understand sin. They just see 80% dmg against elphelt and lose it. I'd say just nerf damage like 12% and hes completely fine.
Where are his flaws pls. I don't say it has a contradiction, but as a player that get cooked by him h24 and can't figure where my skill issue is. So pls tell me i need it
7:13 system changes
42:03 Sol Badguy
42:11 Faust
42:21 Axl Low
42:52 May
46:48 Leo Whitefang
48:44 Ramlethal Valentine
55:24 Bedman?
55:49 Millia Rage
1:09:42 Potemkin
1:12:23 Chipp Zanuff
1:12:43 Nagoriyuki
1:14:47 I-No
1:17:30 Ky Kiske
1:19:54 Jack-O
1:21:00 Baiken
1:34:12 Anji Mito
1:42:19 Zato-1
1:44:34 Slayer
1:46:12 Elphelt Valentine
1:48:00 Testament
1:50:56 Sin Kiske
1:53:09 Goldlewis Dickinson
1:54:10 Johnny
1:56:50 Bridget
2:00:04 Giovanna but not really
2:00:13 Asuka R#
2:03:20 Happy Chaos
2:04:54 Queen Dizzy
That's it
that's not it
thanks for having me boss
you a cool fella lordknight. You and hotashi are cool
God I love LK’s crash outs. It’s the funniest thing, love the guy.
“And so, lord knight tweeted”
He’s usually so chill it takes so much to make him mad
Lord Knight losing his mind at the beginning was hilarious.
time to make a call for all competitive strive players and streamers to play bedman for one month so people can actually talk about them for once.
44:15 no one knows what bedman does im crying
lowkey i did a double take on what they said
what did he even mean by that im so serious and hotashi went mhm too like what
@@lagc5103honest to God I think they have 6h confused with beds 5h, which he do be throwing out
Deadass did a double take on this, was wondering if we were playing the same game.
Bedman is the only character that May would use 6H against in neutral is what I think he meant
Having your dream patch getting reviewed by LK is such a funny and entertaining concept
One of my favorite videos youve made, so fun
We making Fantasy Patches now 😂 thats how you know the balance fcked up 🤣🤣🤣
I feel so validated about y'all opinions on Ky's shock state, shock state is quite a bit stronger now and Ky players didn't really care about it prior to this patch, but now he NEEDS it to do both his real combos compared to what he used to do when foudre arc could combo AND his new shock state enabled set play with the + a bajillions frames Shock State CSE gives now.
Like the shock state times are super whack. How long shock state lasts is both different on the move that applies shock state and whether it was on hit or not. For reference:
180 frames (3 seconds) : Stun Edge/Air Stun Edge on hit/block, Dire Eclat on block
300 frames (5 seconds) : Charge Stun Edge on hit/block, Dire Eclat on Hit, Sacred Edge
Stun edge is so bad at applying shock state, you can apply shock state via stun edge, grab someone, do CSE, and shock state will have run out before CSE lands (no CSE + frames, no new setplay).
Mortabato DI: Like most Ky players really really dislike how almost all Ky balance changes end up with "Buff DI". I think DI is in a good state now - it is a desperation super that is plus on block. I don't want to see Ky DI-ing every game, it should be a situational super.
As a Ky player the only thing I want now is sauce (and a little buff to SS)
DI can give you more style, however it is pretty situational
My proposed solution to this problem is:
-DI has less recovery (25->20)
-Less gravity scaling, so you can reliably use it in combos (it is already possible to combo into and out of it, but it's not really consistent)
Outside of DI buffs I'd probably increase SS duration by like 1 second for every move that applies it. Also, the fact that SS does litteraly nothing to SD is awful. There's no real reason at the moment to spend SS on SD. Giving it HKD is probably too much, so I would genuinely just make it so 2nd hit doesn't consume SS at all
I love how mad yall make each other
Respect for keeping calm and open-minded presenting your hard work to LK and having most feedback be either "okay next" or "CAP" lol. For real though his honest and thoughtful opinions are a great addition to this video, even if he has terminal competitor brain. Air Winger would be neat bro it's okay if it doesn't make her stronger!!
Anyway it's cool to see someone actually making an earnest effort of showing how they'd go about trying to improve the game. IMO this list errs too much on safety -- a bit too heavy on sanding down a characters strengths and weaknesses both, or just making them how they used to be. Gotta give respect for the ambition on the Anji rework, though.
13 minutes in and it's already really cool seeing how differently Hotashi and LK approach the balance of the game when they talk about it
I love this kind of wish more people would post their balance ideas so we could argue about how crazy that shit sounds
ch 5p already combos into snail. i actually really like what they did in the current patch where they reintroduced some situational combo ability back to rainwater without making it overcentralizing. i do think they could go a little bit further with his consistency issues (buff 6h, make tornado's grounded launch a teeny tiny bit better). sickle storm sucks a lot now outside of being exclusively a reversal so it'd be cool if they made it hit a lot more to cut through guts idk
i think with more nerfs to some of the ridiculous shit axl might be good. i think he's very "eh" right now but he's workable
Pure poetry right here
re: DS input, ive played around w/a mod that changes it to down + burst. eliminates the wakeup buffering issue and makes it auto-crosscut, which removes the OS while keeping it useful against left/right in a more controlled way
As somebody who recently dropped the character as well, LK is definitely spittin about Millia. Completely anticipate Arcsys to give a tone-deaf win-more j.H level 3 because it's heavily represented in her offense. The reason why Air OK Winger falls flat to me is that she has a meter penalty for existing in Strive. Sometimes routing in the air will give my opponent more resources than I gain. Even if I get the Winger knockdown -- which just like season 2 most millias are not actually opting for -- I very likely won't have the meter to badmoon 50/50 them. So really, unless you're killing them off of that air combo itself, it's not gonna see like any use. After BWA wallbreak died, she went right back to fighting the system with routing/resetting/wallbreaking. The changes listed in the notes all sound exciting and I hope Arcsys can at least look at this as a thought experiment to try and examine character problems with more nuance instead of just giving them new broken tools and then ignoring us for half a year.
My only wish is for dizzy to get an arial version of roasting chestnuts or for ice freeze to work through pot's armor.
Having only grounded specials when pot can full screen slide head with armor... This feels like an insane matchup.
Edit: To be clear, I don't need advice in the Pot matchup. I beat Pot players all the time. I know the matchup better than anyone. It's just, hopping around unable to use special moves isn't exactly my idea of a fun game. Both Dizzy and Asuka matchups against Pot need serious tuning. If we had a little more counterplay in that one matchup, this season would be my dream patch.
There's like a few soft buffs I would go for like better round start options with an 11f f.S and fixing some hitbox/hurtboxes with 6P, 5H(3), 2H, and 5D.
And then there's the insane buffs I want because I want the privilege that the top tier characters always get. Make CH S Michael Sword HKD, and H Michael Sword and 2H armored, and Wings of Light super fast so we can use it like Blazblue Tsubaki charge cancels.
You're not supposed to be able to break through armor. Thats the point of him having armor.
But dizzy is great at breaking pot armor! Far slash and 5h are both super good for it!
You have a multi hitting f.S what are you talking about
Ah yes, how dumb of me... I can just * checks notes * not use any of my special moves.
My issue is that Layer 1 of the matchup is literally the dumbest possible nuetral in the history of Strive. Yes, f.s is great at stopping hammer fall, but that doesn't even begin to replace her entire kit of special moves.
Her entire Layer 1 strategy against pot is nuetral jumping at full screen like a gd idiot, or running in with normals. Is it too much to ask to have a single special move to zone a grappler with? Why does my squishy zoner have to rush down the highest health and damage character in the entire game?
Slide head, hammer fall, heat tackle, and mega fist invalidate every special move in her kit. And that's not even mentioning flick... I'm asking for a single nuetral interaction that can go in her favor.
On Axl
1. Rensen 8 CH tumble sounds good
2. CH 5P into snail already a thing
3. +4s on One vision pretty pointless since it's a combo tool
Most Axl players will point to 6H and Rensen 2 as moves that need to be improved. Also Snail being -24 on block while stuff like Mist Finer,Arbiter Sign and Michael Sword are in the -8 to -15 range.
facts
@@kajszi2075 safer normals and specials would be nice. I mean if we can't get rw vacuum on block, make uncharged tornado plus at all ranges that way he can have a safe extended block string
LK just won that tournament too, great timing innit
Which tournament?
thanks for the video hotashi going to listen to this on my jog
great discussion loved this
Is lord knight a little biased for baiken and against Asuka? Or am I bad at the game?
both
hes a baiken main im pretty sure. idk other then that
Yes.
LK is rarely wrong so I consider his opinions most valid, even if biased af.
If LK had his way, Faust would throw nothing but donuts
Lmao yes he’s a baiken player and Asuka is a horrible matchup for Baiken. Everyone has bias, I mean I play HC of course I’m biased for him
If Lordknight thinks Jacko 2D nerf should have stayed, all I can go and say is "Come on bro" back at him because this clearly shows they, or he does not know a thing about jacko.
tbf, arent jacko players preying on the unspoken fact that noone knows anything about her
Whether it's official or unofficial patches, favouritism always was and will be a factor in arcsys games. You can see it with changes like this and then others like Pot getting an actual 2 page of redesign.
LK spitting this whole vid honestly
lmfao just nerf ram into the ground lol ok
@@patrickazzarella6729 yes
Yeah, thank fucking god this guy isn’t on the balance team, making literally every move she has unsafe on block is the stupidest thing ever and clearly shows his biased hate toward her. She’s not even top tier anymore after her nerfs now, is these were the patch she would be awful and literally just a sword spam bot.
Everyone would enjoy that
@@alexholmes8714
Hello.
Axl.
Have a nice day.
(Edit, just to clarify, i just want to say that you can have a gameplan with unsafe moves, proof by axl, having a total of 0 safe special moves that dont have huge gaps, and not a single plus on block normal. Its ok as long as you have other strenght, and lets say ram as a ton of "other strenghts")
@macanudo6206 people complain about axl being bad too, as he is a low tier. and his entire kit is built around being far away with full screen moves that don’t matter if they are unsafe on block or not. It doesn’t matter when he’s minus if you can’t hit him after blocking it. But when every special ram has that is melee range is not safe on block she would literally just become a boring ass zoner like axl, only pressing far slash from max range and nothing else. Safe block pressure is extremely important to her character as a whole unlike axl.
Also, nearly every “other strength” that ram has is from safe one block pressure. If you could mash on every special she has she would quite literally be bottom one. Now they didn’t actually say in the video to make EVERY special move unsafe on block, but if that was the case then like I said she would be bottom 1. No amount of spacing can save a character if they can’t perform pressure whatsoever, with how many neutral skips are in this game.
Im just praying that Venom is somewhat enjoyable to play as I will maining him in online tournaments this year 🙏
i hope hes garbage so you fail
I like LKs POV. Characters need to be balanced, aggressively, before we do things like change how archetypes are shaped.
This game would be better already if lightweights had more hp and maybe keep 90% of their damage and everyone else gets a 30% damage nerf.
That’s a super flat and basic way of going about it but it’s low effort and a start.
People have been saying offense is extremely strong for 4 years and the damage is extremely high and they keep saying “the flow of the game is too volatile making players unsatisfied, so we gave ram more pressure, damage, and guard crush. And we buffed goldlewis and leo”
I was waiting for both of them to completely erase pot from the game. Was pleasantly surprised to hear the understanding that pot needs some tuning but can be allowed to exist as a strong character.
@28:27 couldn't agree with LK more, bro it's 100 meter. Also, if you're just nerfing invincible supers, it leads to unintuitive gamefeel for people who don;t know that that specific type of super can;t cancelled. If someone has 100 meter, think about that when you try to do oki
I didn't even realize it was LK's voice at the start; most anger I've ever seen from him LOL.
Give Anji 3S :)
Edit: It keeps its old frame data very slow mid that moves forward, +1 on block, and cancelable from close S but he can only cancel back into close slash if it catches a low on start-up. It can be thrown or beaten by a mid on reaction and neutral jump into jump in if predicted. This would be synergistic with the spin can be beaten by lows nerf.
LK and Hotashi arguing about random shit is peak. I'd listen to this as just a podcast, honestly.
2:07:45 If this is in the game, I think it should cost a chunk of her health, otherwise it sounds pretty scrubby. Also a somewhat calls back to how she worked in XX a bit
LK's like "hot take everyone sucks at antiairing in this game" yeah no shit that's why I don't play other airdashers
if modders manage to make a version of Hotashi's patch, i'd try it out
I'll give my two cents on this Community Balance Patch, and I'll talk about Potemkin.
There's a mechanic that I hate and that's guard crush, but, if you remove it from the game, Garuda Impact and most of Potemkin's threat should be reworked because that without guard crush, and the meter gain from PB, he'll be dead weight.
Although Arcsys buffed many tools from Potemkin's kit when they realized that only Garuda wasn't enough to make the character viable, despite it being an horrible mechanic overall.
So either guard crush stay but is removed from Wild Assault and no nerf to Pot's meter gain, or remove Guard Crush but he'll have to have something really good to take Garuda's place, I hate this move but him is built around it's guard crushing properties in order to mix the opponent up.
Bless you Gio
Low key, what if they added kaple in the other direction? Like you can do cS jump cancel kaple in the other direction
Here from the stream!
Regarding Anji: let's say Katano emailed you saying 'No Anji redesigns, no new moves or deletion of moves, too much work'. What are your recommendations for Anji balancing at that point?
seeing you have an actual productive conversation and talk in depth about the game feels like hell freezing over. like i'm sure u do it all the time in private but watching ur vids i wouldn't think that lmao
Fully agree with the vision on anji but idk if these new moves are the way to go.
royalty meets royalty
Just saying hotashi plays nago 0:37
Was this before or after the December emergency patch?
about a week or so before
Now we need modders to see how this patch would look like
Lordknight has a generational crash out every other week cause of this damn game lmaooo
Ngl, i really dont like the Dragon Install change. Combined with the change earlier preventing super rc, it'd suck do install, it gets blocked and then you just die
okay I only checked my character's (aba) changes and based on that alone, he kinda cooked
They have the negative penalty portion right? Cause the changes that make hc get more negative depending on actions they do, I think patch 2.5? Idk though. And all my hommies hate hc. Like faust never gets negative (please keep)
lost me when he said "its okay for zato to be good"
Badlands would be very nice to have, I would never have any meter because I'd instantly gamble it on Badlands RC and I have no shame in admitting that
For pot Kara buster should not have armor!! For roundstart and that reason only. He can keep armor if raw. Kara changes the game
do something with bedman 2s to differentiate it from f.s cuz rn its a worse low than 2d in neutral, is completely negligible in pressure, and is worse than f.s in combos due to c.s properties, all while having similar frame data and neutral reward to f.s. one of the few truly dead moves in the game methinks
Yeah it needs an additional property for sure. Or make it combo off 2d with an additional property, they basically look like the same move anyway.
I wonder why ASW panicked this time, they haven’t listened for 4 years
Bro 2hr hotashi vid 🙏 we are eating!
50 seconds in, it’s already a classic
Edit: Also if anyone knows the songs he’s using PLEASE drop them
The first song is from the album Sumo Jungle. It's by the guy who did the Ape Escape music. I'm on mobile rn but it's like the first or second track so shouldn't be too hard to find. The second track is from Persona 4 and it plays when you're walking around the town at daytime. I'd look up the name but I'm actually in the middle of my first playthrough right now and don't wanna risk music spoilers. Sorry I couldn't give you exact track names lol
@@GlowingOrangeOoze The Persona 4 song is (creatively named) Your Affection.
The plan with anji is that you should pick him up and play him 😊
I'm with LK on overdrive RC and DP RC, that's some of the shit that makes Guilty Gear unique and they've both got counterplay if you hard read them
not being able to RC a DP on whiff is already perfect (though getting mix out of DP RC is broken as fuck, something else could be done to make that worse, like nerfing those DPs hitboxes so they're easier to bait)
dizzy needs a better jD, she could definitely use 236]K[, and I wish she had better fish, either lazer fish or less "justice nuke-y" fish
Kindly asking for 5 additional hp for Chipp PUHLEASE!
Gotta say, i was suspicious about the changes you were about to introduce. But i was wrong, great changes, sadly devs won't implement them. Although im not entirely sure about "Axl should stay nerfed" mentality.
Nah Jhonny dash is a war crime
Sol no changes
Nago beyblade no longer a low
Literally just those two things and I'm cool, the rest of this is all just gravy 👍
It's the talk WOO
No one in the game has resource that can only be earned again through a super. Johnny shouldnt have one either. U dont get that much from spamming deal into mist finer.
I think the point is, they use that super in a lot of routes anyway so it’s not a huge deal, just adds more dynamism to the rest of his kit because at the moment he‘s a little flowcharty for the type of character he is.
@cameronrramos naw, people are acting like he's as good as sol or happy chaos. U need meter for the character to be viable, and I have to use that to gain resources? It makes no sense.
Krendo the best nago in the world
Faust 2k and 5k 😂😂😂😂😂😂 . I suck at anti air, and faust neutral carries me
42:42
Hotashi... SRSLY... what were you smoking...
Aside from the from the rensen 8 buff, everything else is just... NO....
Oh. btw he's ALWAYS been able to combo from 5p ch...🙄
Some stuff of the other characters I agree on... but the Axl stuff... No...
If the rest of the cast gets theses changes, axl would be so much better, so i can get the "stay nerfed" shit, even as a rainwater loops lover
@macanudo6206 it's not the rainwater loop for me its more of the vacuum on block. I can totally understand the loops being overpowered and I'm an Axl main. the thing is the rainwater rps on block helped Axl in opening up his opponent especially in leveling the playing field some what in some of his worst matchups.
@@Mr.Voyager51 yeah it suck i agree, but its not the end of the world. If you never tried it, you can do c.S > kara rainwater to retain a fraction of his corner pressure. Its not much, but its something. Stay strong axl bro
My patch notes would be taking dizzy out of the game
I cannot believe that out of all of these whack ass patch notes, these two really looked at Bedman and went “yep, he’s staying EXACTLY the same” while having that “unfun/difficult to play” tier on the list including it. The furniture is still bugged (head bomb doesn’t travel vertically at all, even though patch notes said it would), it’s still significantly struggling in most of its MUs and has generally been one of the weakest characters in the game since launch. If the goal of the patch was to take characters down to its level, then sure, but they don’t come even close to that.
Bed's fine.
The nerfs to guard crush are heavy nerfs to bed's offense and they didn't mention anything to compensate.
Bed is in a good place right now, the unfun placement is a little cap / outdated considering they both didn’t think he needed any changes.
I know this vid was before the emergency patch, but frfr I think they shouldn't have done it. I think it set a HORRIBLE precident and completely undermines their creative direction. I do think they could've revisited some of this stuff in a later, PLANNED patch. however, them doing an "emergency patch" b/c ppl were complaining about it just conditions the community to complain about shit whenever they don't like it.
and frfr, I also think that them adding the kara shit back was a mistake too, for the same reason. sometimes games change shit and it is what it is. I think that the game's direction will be vastly different from what it could've been, b/c they'll no longer be as willing to make such bold and interesting changes, and that hurts the long term health of this game imo.
notice that I didn't say explicitly what they should or shouldn't have changed, b/c tbh I'm *not* the game/battle designer, and I don't know what stuff they had planned that we didn't know about. but now we'll never know what kinda cool and fun stuff they would've done in the future.
*that version of the game* is dead, for better or worst.
it wasnt because we were complaining, there were truly flagrant imbalances
Nah, while I complained endlessly about Kara being back on Potemkin, the patch did need to happen because it was fundamentally against their sole goal of the patch.
They patched it because they themselves didn't believe in it
@@HellecticMojo if they didn't believe in it, they wouldn't have released it, announced a delay, and apologized or whatever. what reason, or evidence, do we have that they weren't sure about the changes they took the time to implement, and then release?
them changing it *does* reinforce that they were "unsure" about some things, and that's silly imo. game design in general isn't some fly by night bs. it takes MONTHS (but more likely YEARS) of planning, and even more time spent testing. any time you finagle with game stuff, there's the potential to break stuff, and fixing that stuff is not free. I don't think they intended to do this at all.
this wasn't like some baby patch where they change a couple of frames here and there. this was a radical evolution of the current game, that was likely laying the groundwork for future changes, which includes other characters, as well as other changes to the already existing roster. this could've easily been called strive xx accent core plus or whatever lol. if they failed at anything, it was the ability to communicate what they were doing and why they did it, to better prepare the players for these changes.
but it's whatever at this point. the damage has been done, and the game that this will end as isn't the one we *might've* gotten, which is a shame imo. especially since after the hotfix players are ***still*** not happy.
@@Hotashi I'm not saying every change was perfect. what I'm saying is that them doing the changes, especially they way they did it, wasn't a good look for the future of the game.
I don't know enough about this stuff to say what should or shouldn't be changed, and that's why I'm not talking about that stuff. it's just reflective of a trend I'm seeing across games lately that feels like "design by committee" and I personally don't like it.
@@salinalunara What evidence that they weren't sure? That they reverted many changes that quickly is the evidence. If they were truly making decisions from the ground up, it would've taken them long as you imagined, but it didn't.
They were obviously weighing options beforehand and when option A didn't work out, they immediately swapped to option B because option B was still something they had in the back burner.
Ramlethal murder=best patch ever
I'd bet if Hotashi picked up Sin he wouldn't even be able to win a weekly tournament, let alone top 8 a major. yet he says he's a free top 8. i think patachu is the only Sin I've seen with any success in the competitive scene. i'm not saying he doesn't need to be changed, but i think people underestimate how exploitable his flaws are. hotashi pick him up and prove me wrong.
flaws?
I feel like not many top players understand sin. They just see 80% dmg against elphelt and lose it. I'd say just nerf damage like 12% and hes completely fine.
Where are his flaws pls. I don't say it has a contradiction, but as a player that get cooked by him h24 and can't figure where my skill issue is. So pls tell me i need it
@@Hotashislower normals, exploitable gaps, reliance on special follow-ups. Off the top of my head. Granted, I might be wrong, so correct me if so.
He plays nago why would he play sin??
Everyone losing their shit at Baiken changes lmfao why
I can see her being annoying but toxic is bs, just learn the mu and grab/use less meatys
90% of this is completely insane and lunatic, you have no idea what you're saying