No mention of your countrymen? Odd. I'd have thought Roche's fall from grace would have been perfect for this. BTW Simpson was World Champion in 65 not British Champion. He also wore the Maillot Jaune in 62. Details.
@RollinRat In all of the 3 channels he sucks at Portuguese an Spanish names, so I doubt he is of Spanish descent. Unless he is playing 4D chess and went with Irish and British accents sucking at Spanish just to throw us off.
I'd leave my bidon at Tommy's memorial...and tell him that nowadays there are haters making shite videos for pootube dissing him...mainly because they have never done a fucking thing of any note in their whole life. Lol.
@@TesterAnimal1 oh lord please don't try to use semantics on me that is so late 90's internet. Yes, he 'acts' or behaves or whatever the word you prefer. shall we go drug for drug and explain my points ? or are you just a blind hater?
@RollinRat here are some objective retorts (keep in mind i am more of a Kierkegaard person that believes in subjective truth but hold that for now). 1. Regarding the best athlete: Human physical performance is maximized on appropriate drugs. 2. About drugs only used for 'sick' people: Sick people (me most the time) highly benefit from drugs 100% but so do well people.. its just a simple fact.
every single sport has a history of drugs so what's even your point? why do you guys try to demonize cycling when in reality pro cyclist are taking far less drugs than most other athletes.
Cancellara was allready outstanding as a junior and as an amateur - like Wout van Art today. His performances were a logic progress, he did not emerge suddenly out of nowhere like others.
Brilliant summary of the 30 year span of those we know were on the juice and those who flew just below the radar (Hinault/Greg/Fabian) low cost Lance against the white Kenyan ...now that would have been a race.
While there have been rumours about Hinault (refused test) & Cancellara (Ceccini & motors), Lemond hasn't registered a single allegation. Armstrong offered substantial reward for it and got nothing. No team mate has come forward on or off the record in the 28 years since his retirement either. I wonder why?
Even if he did he certainly didn’t use EPO, Fignon in his autobiography stated drug taking in the 80’s was never at the same level as Armstrong’s era, night and day.
@@ultimobici. I haven't heard anyone say anything about Indurain, other than his said association with a certain Italian doctor. His physiology was amazing though (HR of 28bpm @rest).
@@ultimobici. Lemond revealed that his directeurs gave him bags of "vitamins". He claims he didn't know what he was taking. Those in know at the time are pretty sure it was pot belge.
@@ClockCutter which team? I’ve been following cycling since the early 80s and have never heard that type of allegation other than the circumstances surrounding his departure from PDM.
Greg took the GAN $ to the bank whilst bitching about dopers. Everybody wants to conveniently forget he was 30lbs overweight. Sorry fanboys, but here’s the vid to prove it.
Was Miguel a doper? He was before my time. I would say that him being a large man and still winning the yellow jersey isn't great for him but I haven't heard the rumors about him as much.
It's the old saying "if it's too good to be true then it usually is" you do the maths..the years of epocha...91-99...every one on it except Mig..1999- 2012...every one on it except Lance....you work it out?
@@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158 oh that's how I was one of the only Americans calling Lance a doper in 04 and who never bought a live strong bracelet. I knew you didn't beat everyone who is on dope if you're not doping yourself. Plus I heard the stories of Lances staff driving hundreds of kilometers to throw away dirty needles in public trash cans. Like I said I figured Miguel was but I'm not as informed I was about Lances run.
@@DrtyALGreen I lost some friends when in 2001, I said Lance was dropped to the gills. Of course I got the last laugh. One of my good friends is friends with Andy Hampstead. One night a bunch of us were at dinner. Someone asked Andy what he thought of Lance? All Andy said " He's a fucking Texan. "
@@scottbaker5851 love that response...lol. Andy was great in the 30 for 30: Slaying the Badge. That picture with him powering through the snow storm at the restaurant is so amazing, pre photo shop so you know it's minimal editing. Plus the Texan thing is so true, lol.
we should be able to have a games where enhancing drugs can be used, that would be interesting. Fabien was a champ, hows his face jumping onto the podium!
Greg was not clean! In 91 he lost only 8 seconds in flat 73km TT against Indurain. He is such a baby blaming everyone for something he also clearly did
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Never seen the Simpson footages! Another good one, thanks for posting!
Your videos are brilliant
Our dopest heroes...
Jens Voigt had a great send off by setting a new hour record.
Bernard Hinald last race was a cyclocross race. He didn’t win but had a decent finish.
No mention of your countrymen? Odd. I'd have thought Roche's fall from grace would have been perfect for this. BTW Simpson was World Champion in 65 not British Champion. He also wore the Maillot Jaune in 62. Details.
Marginal gains baby.
@RollinRat In all of the 3 channels he sucks at Portuguese an Spanish names, so I doubt he is of Spanish descent. Unless he is playing 4D chess and went with Irish and British accents sucking at Spanish just to throw us off.
Roche's fall from grace happened when he quit doping...
@@jds6206 😳😳😳
Im irish and will tell you Roche was on the juice. Kelly was the best rider we ever produced
I'd leave my bidon at Tommy's memorial...and tell him that nowadays there are haters making shite videos for pootube dissing him...mainly because they have never done a fucking thing of any note in their whole life. Lol.
To be fair the narrator acknowledges that the entire peloton is doping
Tommy Simpson was my hero
why do you act like Lance somehow did some special doping that nobody else had access to?
Does he “act”?
You’re like those people who post under every news article “why don’t you ever cover ”
@@TesterAnimal1 oh lord please don't try to use semantics on me that is so late 90's internet. Yes, he 'acts' or behaves or whatever the word you prefer. shall we go drug for drug and explain my points ? or are you just a blind hater?
@RollinRat Ok i'm fine with that.. but the best is the best. Ulrich and Lance too bad for the others responded very well to EPO.
@RollinRat here are some objective retorts (keep in mind i am more of a Kierkegaard person that believes in subjective truth but hold that for now). 1. Regarding the best athlete: Human physical performance is maximized on appropriate drugs. 2. About drugs only used for 'sick' people: Sick people (me most the time) highly benefit from drugs 100% but so do well people.. its just a simple fact.
No way did Cancellara use any motor except the ones he had in his legs. This is just typical gossipy nonsense.
Unfortunately since the dawn of time cycling has been involved in drugs. Even today at the dtf is obvious. Great channel..
every single sport has a history of drugs so what's even your point? why do you guys try to demonize cycling when in reality pro cyclist are taking far less drugs than most other athletes.
@@abone2pick Lance, is that you?
@@foobarbazquux yes son it's me.
@@abone2pick shove it
Uh this is a cycling channel, we complain about the rugby players on those channels. You guys.
Greg was not well in his last race. Later diagnosed with a debilitating condition.
Cancellara was allready outstanding as a junior and as an amateur - like Wout van Art today. His performances were a logic progress, he did not emerge suddenly out of nowhere like others.
my main concern with cancellara was his cadence at the olympic tt in brasil. way beyond what i'd seen previously and even when compared to froome...
And he never tested positive; to his credit.
Wow I didn’t know he was a doper. Phil Ligget never hinted at that when describing his death. Thnx for that info sir
Don't think people doped to improve performance back then, they doped to numb the pain
Liggett is from the generation that called them stimulants
Doping is an embarrassing subject for Liggett due to his enthusiastic support for Armstrong.....he very rarely, if ever, brings up that subject.
Isn’t it a famous story that he was full of amphétamines and brandy?
@@TesterAnimal1 Sounds like a party, not a cycle race
Brilliant summary of the 30 year span of those we know were on the juice and those who flew just below the radar (Hinault/Greg/Fabian) low cost Lance against the white Kenyan ...now that would have been a race.
While there have been rumours about Hinault (refused test) & Cancellara (Ceccini & motors), Lemond hasn't registered a single allegation. Armstrong offered substantial reward for it and got nothing. No team mate has come forward on or off the record in the 28 years since his retirement either. I wonder why?
Even if he did he certainly didn’t use EPO, Fignon in his autobiography stated drug taking in the 80’s was never at the same level as Armstrong’s era, night and day.
@@ultimobici. I haven't heard anyone say anything about Indurain, other than his said association with a certain Italian doctor. His physiology was amazing though (HR of 28bpm @rest).
@@ultimobici. Lemond revealed that his directeurs gave him bags of "vitamins". He claims he didn't know what he was taking. Those in know at the time are pretty sure it was pot belge.
@@ClockCutter which team? I’ve been following cycling since the early 80s and have never heard that type of allegation other than the circumstances surrounding his departure from PDM.
Greg took the GAN $ to the bank whilst bitching about dopers. Everybody wants to conveniently forget he was 30lbs overweight. Sorry fanboys, but here’s the vid to prove it.
He was overweight every spring, due to those long Minnesota winters and his proclivity for Taco Bell.
Tony Martin ?
World champion in his last race !
Way to go buddy!
2:27 poetic justice
Was Miguel a doper? He was before my time. I would say that him being a large man and still winning the yellow jersey isn't great for him but I haven't heard the rumors about him as much.
It's the old saying "if it's too good to be true then it usually is" you do the maths..the years of epocha...91-99...every one on it except Mig..1999- 2012...every one on it except Lance....you work it out?
@@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158 oh that's how I was one of the only Americans calling Lance a doper in 04 and who never bought a live strong bracelet. I knew you didn't beat everyone who is on dope if you're not doping yourself. Plus I heard the stories of Lances staff driving hundreds of kilometers to throw away dirty needles in public trash cans. Like I said I figured Miguel was but I'm not as informed I was about Lances run.
@@DrtyALGreen
I lost some friends when in 2001, I said Lance was dropped to the gills. Of course I got the last laugh. One of my good friends is friends with Andy Hampstead. One night a bunch of us were at dinner. Someone asked Andy what he thought of Lance? All Andy said " He's a fucking Texan. "
@@scottbaker5851 love that response...lol. Andy was great in the 30 for 30: Slaying the Badge. That picture with him powering through the snow storm at the restaurant is so amazing, pre photo shop so you know it's minimal editing. Plus the Texan thing is so true, lol.
Love Andy Hampsten, second greatest American Tour de France rider of all time
There is hope in dope
Unworthy end for LeMonde at the time but he turned out to be one of the rare ones that didn't go to dark side. He's on top in my book.
Proof he didn’t go to the dark side ?
@@nishiki7047 Evidence required by the accuser, not the defendant.
@RollinRat I wonder how many other super high endurance athletes are now suffering Mitochondrial Myopathy.
we should be able to have a games where enhancing drugs can be used, that would be interesting.
Fabien was a champ, hows his face jumping onto the podium!
Greg LeMond was my first cycling 🚴♂️ hero..
Mine too, he is responsible for my love of cycling
Genius why do we keep watching them we are masocaiates I can’t spell it ha ha
Alexander Vinokourov and his purchased Olympic gold?
still sad it wasn't Rigo
Greg was not clean! In 91 he lost only 8 seconds in flat 73km TT against Indurain. He is such a baby blaming everyone for something he also clearly did
if Lemond had doped like the rest of the cheaters....