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Nissan GT-R vs Audi RS6 Avant shootout - autocar.co.uk
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- It's time for another super saloon contender to battle the Nissan GT-R. Can the Audi RS6 Avant do better than the BMW M5?
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Last year we tested the BMW M5 super saloon against the mighty Nissan GT-R, and it was royally defeated almost across the board. This year it's time for a new contender to challenge the throne, so will the Audi RS6 Avant fare any better? Steve Sutcliffe took them on track to test their acceleration, handling, outright grip, braking and interior practicality and appeal. Watch the video to find out if Autocar has a new super saloon champion.
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Why in god's name are these amateurs still using a GTR to a MUCH heavier Wagon. The fuck...the M5 was MUCH heavier as well. Not to mention the GTR is designed to be a race car, to corner better, to have a PURPOSE on the track. The RS6 Avant is a ROCKETSHIP for the road. A true masterful and USEFUL Wagon. So fuck their opinion.
what I thought exactly. you cant compare these two AT ALL
rs6 is a combi family car and gtr is a super sport.....what about testing audi r8 vs the gtr
+wahash316 Thats why its amazing that a family car is as fast or faster than a super sport. Would choose a rs6 every day
+wahash316 In fact, the rs6 is faster than the r8
No bro, gtr is a sport car, r8 is supercar, the gtr defeat rs7 bro, audi is a stupid car, and jdm is the queen 🤩
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RS6 is not meant for the track, it's heavy and has a lot of weight in the front. What it's meant for is tearing down the Autobahn like there's no tomorrow.
+damonstr so heavy it out brakes a gtr :o
+damonstr so you think a RS6 is like a 1970 muscel car and the 4wd, great breaks and suspension were added accidentally?
check fifth gear test about the rs6 vs e63amg
typical bmw fanboy with audi badge
Why the fuck do you compare a wagon to a ready to go track car?
Because it is an amazing wagon.
Any wagon that can get that close to a GTR is worth the comparison.
the Audi is a super estate. This model only is a V8 but the previous model had a V10 that produced around 600bhp. It has all wheel drive. It is too bad the people in America are left out of the fantastic estates from around the world. BMW, and Mercedes have cars that are similar to the Audi.
innFahr Two previous generation of this the RS6 was v10? I know all the american version are different. I have a 2003 TT. Even the new TTRS(american) version doesnt have half of the stuff as the UK version does. Is the RS6 the same way? Im not hating on the RS6 lol
A porsche panermera can match a gtr just a 911 on Viagra.
Daniel Long UK cars tend to have slightly higher standard specification than cars sold in US and Canada. But then US and Canadian sourced cars are generally 30-40% cheaper than cars sold in UK. But then you pay usually slightly more money for the optional extras. Fully optioned RS6 in UK is around 90k GBP = 150k USD. Fully optioned GTR is around 82k GBP on the road .... and what the above reviewer forgot to mention is, that GTR doesn't have even the basic niceties as front and rear audible parking sensors [although that it has the rear view camera] ... and you can install the parking sensors without invalidating Nisan warranty. Some people might say ... "why do I need the parking sensors on the track car"? But Nisan is trying to make the point of advertising GTR as a cheap alternative to Porsche Turbo S. The fact is, that in real world, GTR doesn't compare well even with similarly priced 991 Carrera 4S.
Now for the 5 day, 5 adult ski trip in the Austrian Alps test.
Mark Alexander Tremlett i also watched the review you're referring to lol
why not compare the gtr to a q7 whle ur at it
lool
lets be honest the rs6 is just much cooler
I agree but z Gtr is hotttt
its cooler by the fact that it is a wagon....stfu u nerd....
Michel knight Massive GTR Fan, but I have to say I'm starting to really warm up to Audi. This car is the family car to smash all family cars.
Way so
No
Looking at getting a 2013 RS6 at the moment and when you go back to this, you can't help but notice how badly the inside of the Nissan has aged yet the RS6, in my opinion, still looks pretty fresh.
The Audi Estate wins in my book because as a day to day car that you can actually live with and you put your brand new sofa in the back and take home sideways.
Audi, hands down
I'm gonna just add, to be complete in my comments:
I've done 85k personally in my Audi, driven from England to Norway (1600miles) in 18 hours, driven all over europe with 500kg in my boot, and this mofo of a wagon has NEVER, EVER, let me down.
Long term review complete.
And before anyone asks about the "repair" i mentioned, it was due to a twat in a passat and my brakes being better than his.... The car has NEVER let me down in 85k miles.
Buy one, if you need to do 200mph, not break down and also be able to fit 3 metre lengths of Unistrut in the car (yes it does fit).... :-)
neither my panda
1730KG versus 1865KG as standard. However the video mentioned £15k's worth of options on the Audi, I'm betting the Audi was closer to 2000KG. That is still a considerable difference. However, its not a shock that a focussed coupé beat an estate car, but, as others have said, I'd take the Audi every time.
3.9 seconds for a family car? And just .40 seconds slower on the snake thing then the GT-R? I don't like that RS6 too much but that is extremely quick!
sportscar vs station wagon?
I know a fast station wagon, but still....
Morten Biegel The station wagon was only fractions off the sports car in timings :D
M. Colby its almost 2 tons of sports car though! the audi is probably no heavier, and pretty much as powerful. It was bloody close in a few of those tests.
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Yeah your right. The other car is more like a family car with tuning gear :P
God you people know how to cry a lot. "oh the audi should have won" well this isn't your review so piss off. They were simply trying to see if you could have a luxurious sporty station wagon what competes with a super car. I think the Audi did pretty well considering it's purpose.
a sportscar got stomped by a 2tonne Audi Avant in terms of braking hahaha not to mention the pointless comparison of those 2 cars. totally different car categories....
I dont get some of these shootouts. What is the point in comparing a fast fullsize stationcar, with a coupe all out sports car? Basically the Audi is supposed to be a fast daily driver, in which you can still haul kids around in the back, pick up groceries, as well as take to the track occasionally. Theres a reason why that type of car are nicknamed "family containers".
Where does the GTR fit in? They are completely different cars for different needs. Nissan does not even have any car (Maybe as Infinite, not sure) that can be compared to the RS6, but Audi does have a car in which you can compare the GTR, the R8. Why not go with that instead.
I'm asking myself the same questions. It seems they just want to drive often the GT-R for Fun and drive other great cars... They found a way to do it. There is no point than having fun. And it's not fun to watch either, plus we know logic and numbers. The Nissan is made the track, not the RS6... Stupid and useless.
you can do all those things in the gtr too ;p
Oh please, dont even start.
Anders Kristensen Agree to disagree? :P
The point is any wagon that can compete with a GTR like that is worth the air time.
In REAL LIFE terms RS6 is a big winner! Period.
compairing A luxurius station with A race car. pretty stupid
Why? They're certainly perfectly aware of the fact that they're comparing two different kinds of cars. I find it interesting to see how well a station wagon of this calibre can keep of with a pure-bred sports car like the GT-R. A comparison between two very similar cars makes sense when you already know exactly what kind of car you want. But a comparison between different kinds of cars makes just as much sense when you're undecided wether you really want a race car or a super-sporty saloon/station and wonder how big the differences between them regarding dynamics or ride comfort really are.
There is no such thing as a stupid comparison, you just have to define beforehand what aspects you're comparing and to what end.
I keep reading comments (usually written by people who are miffed because their favourite didn't "win") under car comparison vids claiming "unfair because one is turbo-charged and one is not" or "unfair, because one is 4WD and the other is not" or "unfair because one has 30 hp more" or "unfair because is one two years older" etc. -- Well, there will always be differences, that's why you make a comparison in the first place. Otherwise, you could only compare two copies of the same car, rendering the "comparison" completely pointless. How big of a difference between two test candidates one allows is only determined by what one's trying to find out.
criscros7 excellent comment, I completely agree with you.
Very different beasts, love them both. If I had the money i would buy them both. But my 270Hp 6 speed Altima I own will have to do.
The venerable GT-R is as fast as always but the RS-6 is an absolute weapon.100mph in less than 9 seconds in an estate is nuts.
Thats a big family car vs a gtr aha
completely pointless test. next let's compare a frog to a lettuce
YEAH! AUDI RS6 IS REALLY COOL FAMILY WAGON & AT THE SAME TIME COOL RACING WAGON!
I'm so damn impressed with this Audi. Looks like i've got a new dream car:)
Such a narrow loss in terms of performance means that an Audi RS6 slaps any GTR in the face in real life.
I take that rs6 over the gtr any day.
A large station wagon like the RS6 is compared to a super sportscar like the GT-R that is designed to perform better than a Porsche or Ferrari. The fact, that the Audi still can keep up with the GT-R is amazing.
R8 is a proper comparison for the gt-r not the rs6, not the m5, not a fucking rolls royce
RS6 weighs more than 200kg more and the tests were close. The fat girl can dance.
Audi any day....save money and get an S4 Avant Black Edition
You dont fix cars. I can tell.
The GTR was always going to win with three (4th expected) rigged in its favour. Both great cars, but for different jobs.
i own 2008 rs4 with 43,000 miles and yet i dont hear any rattle or squeeks-audi is just amazing built car
An all out died in the wool 2-door coupe vs a massive estate. Quality work as usual Autocar. So glad Steve has left them.
I'd take the GTR over the RS6. If it was half the price. Oh wait. No, thanks. And I'm a BMW man myself
Audi is most better than Nissan.
Audi is just a VW, and they are shite too.
+Steven Hearnden well the vw knows how to make cars !! Thank you VW !!!!!!
Yep, boring, shite cars and then lie to the consumer.
+Steven Hearnden yea sure, go to your shitty gtr, come on hop hop
+Tomislav rupa I hope you don't live in the U.K?
Despite everything, the RS6 is so damn close! Just WOW!
Buy the Avant RS6, give it to MTM tuning in Sussex with a spot of ready cash, £15000 to be exact, and in return they will modify both suspension and engine, so that the car can handle the increased performance.
The car will now be throwing out over 800Hp.
With the cars four wheel drive and enough power to rip your arms from their sockets, the top speed will be approaching 215mph.
Enough performance to rival most supercars,let alone a Nissan GT-R
And i think its time the car reviewers to collect some info about the average reliability,as that is one of the most important aspects the customers are interested!!! Nobody wants car that accelerates like rocket with fancy interior and lights,and components that brake down every 1000 km!!
I do not think too many people are concerned with reliability at that price.
bighands69 Trust me,as a mechanic i v seen any kind of cars and people and at any prize they DO care about reliability! They care about every spent cent,and thats why they have the money :)
Anubis Ra actually sometimes it's not the money always, BUT even if i was a billionaire i would care about that, because you'll get extremely disappointed when you buy a car which is known for being "premium" class and then have to stop because sth. doesn't work ^^
Anubis Ra
Reliability? I know a lot of Audi RS6's with over 150'000 km... Withouth any issue. Dont know where you get your informations. But theyre pretty wrong. If they arent serviced correctly and floored at cold temprature they brake down right, but not with correct using. My old car was an Audi A6 Allroad with over 350'000 km so please dont talk about reliability.
Benjamin Ott My friend..,you seem to know these RS6's only from the WEB,and nowhere else:) Your old car Allroad with 350 000 km?? You fuckn lier!! Those cars are NOTORIOUS for braking down more often than you jerk your little peanut:) Work hard,drive real cars,and stop living in RUclips..it fucks your perception for reality:)
Michelin Pilot Cup 2 tires + Litchfield tune on the RS6, and the Datsun is blown into the weeds.
I found it interesting the amount of steering activity in the GT-R compared to the RS6 in the snake segment. On a normal commute, do you really want to work that hard?
This comparison has no point. Let´s compare a honda crv with a lamborghini aventador and then talk seriously about the difference.
RS6 wins on looks alone.
It's a fricking estate car... Even a van looks better than that cockroach.
+William Henry The best looking Estate out there, which looks even better than GTR.
+Hail Hydra No.
William Henry Yes.
+Hail Hydra No.
At first it's maybe a waste of time, but actually it's amazing how RS6 keeps up (at least not far off) with GT-R!!! This vid makes me want a RS6 very much :)
Legends say that the audi was having an entire family, 3 dogs, 9 chickens and 5 cats.
I drove an RS6 for 3 days and ive also lived with GTR for 2 weeks.
All i can say is, the GTR tests you and taunts you each time you drive it.
The RS6 doesnt demand anything from you...so easy to drive, feels virtually as powerful as the GTR, more comfortable, way more practical, and you actually enjoy crusing in it when you dont want to drive like a maniac. For an everyday vehicle that can do everything, the RS6 would be my choice.
Cool review, simple and to the point.
Btw- I'd take the Audi any day.
The fact that a wagon can even think to pace a car like the GTR is extremely impressive
Obviously the GTR is a track weapon for the road but the Audi is the family car that you can jump into on your own on Sunday morning and have one hell of a blast. I've sorted the under steer problem on mine by fitting Toyo R888 tires on the front and the Toyo R1R on the rear. With that tire setup I have I get the rear end sideways every time.
Although i enjoyed driving the 35, it cant make those wonderful v8 noises that the RS6 can.
Plus, blip the throttle sharply to redline while idling, let go sharply and you get a series of loud bangs/pops. Quite addictive.....unlike the GTR that merely whines like a huge Japanese superbile engine with straight-cut transmission gearbox. If its the sound that turns you on...the GTR loses out completely.
Why does everyone compare the stupidest things?! Come on autocar. The GTR is a usable track day car. The Audi is a practical daily driver with insane horsepower. Audi is fast, but not in your face. It's an Audi thing.
Any wagon that can compare to a GTR like that deserves the space and time with a GTR.
Like a porsche panermera a 911 on Viagra half sport half estate.
* sits in the GTR *
* ew. why. wtf. *
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* sits in the audi *
* acts like a kid *
The GTR and the RS6 belong to two entirely different categories of cars. One should place the GTR against the Ferrari 458, and see how a £80,000 "Datsun" beats a £ 150,000 Ferrari!! :)
Lol. How about a GTR Nismo vs the 458?
Next video, Lamborghini vs. Subaru Impreza! lol
Man, that Audi wagon is awesome! Even though the GT-r won, the fact that the Audi even contended is amazing! I watched a foot race between two men one day. One was 41 years old and the other was 23. Even though the younger man won the race, it was only by a small margin. Everyone went up to shake the older mans hand afterwards while the younger guy got totally ignored for his efforts. The Audi gets much respect for it's abilities against the GT-R.
This shows how close these super sedans and wagons are nowadays to real super cars. Not a "real" comparison, but worth a check.
The fact that Audi have designed a A6 estate to be able to keep up with an out and out super car is incredible.
Maybe a better comparison would be GTR vs R8?
Wow, I was not expecting that from the Audi. The Nissan is a performance car, albeit, not a conventional one. It's heavy, has an unusual engine placement, has unconventional assembly and production systems (all in comparison to other performance cars), but its aim is still to perform. Yes it has back seats and a boot, but they're as useless as the ones in a Porsche. The Audi on the other hand is not a performance car, its a daily driver. Its immensely practical, incredibly well made and designed for a completely different purpose to the Nissan. I don't understand why they were being pitted against each other. However, when you factor in what the Audi really is, I think it should have won. Were they both performance cars, the the Nissan would take it, but the Audi is not a performance car, and it was so close to the Nissan in basically every test. Every test that is, except braking (which the Nissan should have been able to win) and luxury, where the Audi is miles ahead of the Nissan. The interior of the GTR is pretty poor, and that Audi looks stunning, even from its actually usable back seats and cavernous boot. Frankly, from me, it's a win for the Audi. Let the fanboys rage.
a super car against a station wagon? and the super car won! wow!! what a performance by the GTR!
this is a joke, pitting the GTR against 4 door sedan like M5 and then a wagon like RS6?
such a waste of time...
Audi wins on every aspect except the track
GTR should be tested with Audi RS8 Spyder.. that would be a fair comparison..its sports car vs sedan
Eeeh...not really a fair comparison. A 10-cylinder versus a 6-cylinder. Regardless, the Nissan GT-R would prevail every time because the Audi RS8--and its long-standing issues with fuel system fires--would end up in flames far before it every caught a glimpse of any finish line. :)
sshhHHIIIiiit i smell idiocy. 1. There is no RS8, there is a R8 2. N/A vs heavily turbocharged.
***** i am able to do that as a grammer Nazi.
if you compare super-coupe, you should compare with another super-coupe not an estate car. From the range of Audi's i'd put the GT-R against RS5. and if you really want to test the best against the best - R8 V10.
Wow Autocar... this is a shocking comparison! The target audience for each of these cars couldn't be further apart...
And for the other reviewers who agree, i'd like to add that my C6 is 5 years old, is running circa 800hp on mild mods, and shits over pretty much anything on the road above 100mph :-p
Both vehicles have immaculately made interiors. Hvg lived with both cars, i guarantee you'll be amazed with the GTR dashboard's solidity....rap it with knuckles and it feels like granite/cement wrapped with stitiched leather....especially next to your knees and thighs. GTR's interior is extremely rock solid, but has not much class vs the RS6 interior that simply oozes prestige.
Saves me getting the calculator out! I also don't think it can do 1.39G in a corner, perhaps during a transition very very briefly but not on average all the way through a corner.
The GTR looks so cheap. I´ll take the Audi all days of the week.
Why don't we test a go-kart against a hot wagon next?
i would pick that RS6 over almost any car on the market. such an amazing thing, it looks absolutely amazing in real life
I have S5 now, will seriously consider S6 (same engine as RS6 de-tuned) in a couple of years.
Audi S and RS cars these days are just surprisingly good.
A lot of folk are down on this as it does seem a rather strange comparison but I do see where you are coming from. A proper sports car V a proper sports/family car comparison. It did show just how good the Audi is. In none of the tests was it embarrassed and I think anyone, other then a single guy/girl, would leap at the Audi long before the GT-R.
Oh wait, that Mercedes A class is one of the best seats according to you.
When you have two kids, wife and dog, there is no way to put them all into GT-R. So RS6 is the best choice if you're looking for family rocket :-)
IT'S NOT A STUPID TEST ! They cost about the same, and that's why this is an interesting and valid test to many people. The performance is also similar in the twisties, and the Audi even betters the GTR in braking. If it was my money I'd got with the RS6 without a doubt !
Very fair review in terms of price, power, offerings, etc. The GT-R is in the same category as the Audi with the exception that the GT-R is somehow able to slay exotics and supercars.
The differences in cornering and acceleration are miniscule. And with the Audi braking at least 1½ - 2 car lengths shorter than the Nissan, it's really a no-brainer. As far as I'm concerned, Nissan should be embarrassed that a 4-door wagon practically equaled the performance of their star player. Audi is really on fire right now!
I'm sorry Autocar but this has to be the most ludicrous match up in history. I thought the M5 vs GTR was bad, but this is just ridiculous. A 2 door supercar competitor that will struggle to seat more than 2 vs a 5 door wagon that will take five adults with luggage. I mean really?
Why does this channel match 4 door saloons and station wagons against the GTR. They weigh more!
Sorry but if I was in a GT-R and an Audi kept that close to me in a drag from the traffic lights I'd be a bit embarrassed.
RS6 wins no matter what. I doubt anyone looking to buy an RS6 Avant is planning to take it to the track as stock. The Audi stops quicker, is more luxurious, isn't at all slower than the GTR on that twisty road, and although the acceleration is slightly slower than the GTR - it is more than enough to overtake anything. The Audi has a larger boot, and space to race down the highway with your whole family. Whatever the points might say, the Audi wins hands down.
why would you compare rs6 with a gt-r? that's just stupid
''Audi is a premium brand, Nissan has Micra''
ooh so you're completely ignoring the fact that the Audi A1 is basically a VW Polo with a fancy grille and the majority of them use cheap Volkswagen components wrapped in leather.
GT-R performs better, it's a supercar.
Not a VW Passat estate with a V8
I'm an Audi fan, but I must confess that Nissan GT-R is a living legend super car...
If you're referring to my RUclips name then you just proved my point.
Auto journos keep putting GT-R videos cause it's a mythical car and they need to justify the wish to drive it over and over again, no matter the opposition.
Maybe no one told AUTOCAR Audi makes a bunch of RS coupes.. Heck I'd even settle for the RS7 vs GTR..
The comparison just shows what an incredible job Audi has done to make a station wagon (A STATION WAGON!!) pretty much keep up with the GT-R, a car that's meant to destroy everything. I think that is pretty impressive, don't you?
The Audi's interior is just modern and has a simplicity side to it, whereas I feel the BMW's interior is a more luxury and unique place to be in.
I think the tester of these cars is forgetting the Audi is a wagon and the GTR is a high tech race car...
does anyone know if you can get the rs6 bodykit on a regular a6/s6? The bodykit on the rs6 is a lot more aggressive than the standard a6 one. It would be fun to own an a6 with a an rs6 body kit because of the high taxes (here in sweden) when you have a big engine, lots of cylinders and not so eco friendly. So is it possible to have an rs6 body on an a6/s6?
so the widebody kit of the rs6 should fit an a6?
yeah, I thought about those things like height of the car and exhaust, but it still just doesn't make sense in my mind that it should fit. Maybe i should try to find some drawings and sketches of the a6 and rs6 bodys and chassis.
Maybe you could buy an Audi RS6, and an A6, then change the engines and sell the remaining parts.
Don't forget that the Audi is 2010kg, full of luxury... The Nissan is 1800kg (more than 200kg less), times less comfortable than the Audi.
good job Autocar...
next comparison: Lada Niva vs GTR. both have 2 doors, and both have awd...it makes sense
by reading the title of this video...... i'm speechless
I really do hope Autocar start reading these comments. Literally every video they post is slated. They clearly have the money behind them so why dont they start listening to their viewers and post something worth while?
It sounds like they're complaining about the performance of the rs6 wagon. It's a damn wagon! It almost matched the GTR in every challenge
The corner test seems to be fundamentally flawed. They obviously measured the maximum grip achieved and not average grip over the course of the WHOLE corner. The GT-R drifted slightly at the end (not the fastest way of accelerating out of a corner as we all know). But that's where its lateral acceleration sky-rocketed.
If you can't have another car, buy the Audi. But, If you have money for a GT-R you will have also money for a normal Audi A4 for the family...
Why not? If I had half the price of a house to blow on a fast toy, I'd try all the toys in the toy box...
The RS6 has the advantage of being a totally new design compared to a 7 year old GT-R.
So because I said the RS6 has performance and handling on par with the GT-R, how does that take it away from the GT-R being a higher performance car? On par basically means "as the same level as something/someone".
next time,please compare the lamborghini aventador with g-wiz...that's a really morally correct test