No matter how much listening, watching and reading you do, some bands just pass you by when they have no right to do so. I was into prog from 1974 but it took me four years to 'find' Van der Graaf Generator who quickly became my favourite band for several years. My finger was pretty much on the pulse thereafter though Dream Theater escaped me until around 2008. Two years ago you played BE by Pain of Salvation and I was much impressed as I had heard of the band but had not been enticed to listen to them before that. Mea culpa. This is another fine record which is plainly in the higher echelons of modern prog-metal but again I have to wonder - 'Why did I not know how good they were years before this?' Thanks, Rudi and Jim, for exposing me to the good stuff (and very few stinkers!)
Hi Ken, I'm happy when you are 😆 Pain Of Salvation deserves a deeper dive .. I personally love the first 4 records, then with Scarsick they kind of drifted away and honestly Be isn't among my favourites, I would even say, it's at the other end of the POS "rainbow". So let's wait what you think about the rest of the album. Little spoiler: the next 2 songs are the ones on the album that to me are just ok ... but then come 4 more songs of which I think 3 are great. So I not only wait for Jim's reaction but also your comment ! Enjoy 🤘
I agree and believe they are one of those very very under appreciated bands. Maybe their music just requires too much for most people (even within their genre, if that's even a valid concept in regards to PoS)?
Great album! Spoiler alert: each album is unique and amazing in it's own atmosphere. All concepts, so do more of those. You won't regret it. Cheers from Portugal.
So far this is better than the other Pain of Salvation album you listened to. I like the heavier elements. Still finding I wish they'd settle into and explore a groove for longer, but not bad.
Thank You Jim, the introduction was just the way I had wished it to be ... and also your words at the end. I enjoyed your reaction very much and will excitedly wait for part 2 and 3 ... and what my fellow commentators will think .. the ones who don't know the record yet and the ones, who know it and tell us what they think 🤘
@@rudolfbecker4313 Yup. Though I must confess, that being a major fan of the old stuff, I've listened far to little to this one... Not that I didn't like it - rather considered it a return to form. But after a couple of listens I... forgot I guess. So, you're doing a real service to an old PoS fan as well 🙏
As someone who knows your musical preference and shares a lot of it, Pain of Salvation should be a mainstay right up there with Haken, Devin Townsend, Genesis, Yes etc. They have been around forever, and have never missed. They have never put out anything subpar and are true modern prog legends, even if not well known. This particular album is one of my special vinyl must haves. Right up there with The Human Equation by Ayreon, Empath by Devin Townsend, The Lamb by Genesis.
Hi Jim, 4 years have passed since you heard ihsahn for the first and only time. Ive requested this earlier couple of times or more 😂. Im here to remind you once again. Full album, ihsahn with the album after.
as we humans tend to rank everything, where is this album on your POS list ? Have you ever seen POS live ? I did in 2002 opening for Dream Theater without having heard 1 song of them before ... but lots after ... and I saw them on the Passing Light tour ... great concert 🤘
@rudolfbecker4313 hi, welll, for the latter one... yes, I had the pleasure to see them live once here in Chile, it was great, although it was a small venue with indecent amplification, but the still sounded great. Ragnar sanf "Undertow" all by himself instead of Daniel and it was mindblowing..literally my jaw dropped more than what was possible. As far as the bets album..man thats hard, all up to Scarsick are incredible in their unique way (although Scarsick whas kind of difficult to digest for a long time), then after that album I lost track of PoS and didnt like much of them so I stopped listening to the new stuff, until Panther came out, which I liked (and it seems Im one of the few). And with that I went back and listened to "In the passing light of day" which I never hearod of and I was just blown away. How did I miss this album!!! just awesome, and probably in my top 3 PoS albums. If my life depended on ranking the albums... I would put The Perfect Element Pt1, Remedy Lane and In the Passing light of Day in the top 3, then BE, which is the strangest of them all, and then One Hour By the Concrete Lake, Entropia, Scarsick and Panther, Road Salt one and Road Salt II I havent listened to enough, but have some good songs like "Sisters". Back in the day, ealry 2000s I listened to One Hour by the concrete Lake a LOT... really a lot. so yea, tastes changes over time, and what I like know might be different in a few years lol
I guess you're absolutely right ... if you only check the lyrics of Tongue of God, beginning " I cry in the shower, I smile in the bed", imagine, he gets his open back cleaned in the shower and then put to bed with some drugs ... and as abrupt this might have been for him as abrupt are the changes in music .. what do you think?
It’s absolutely amazing how this album is well recorded. Each instrument sounds massive. What to say about the drums? Sounds like you’re able to visualize every hit.
This is one of my favourite albums of the decade. Definitely one which benefits from repeated listens to appreciate it fully. All the tracks are great. The only flaw I found was that the title track could have been about 5 minutes shorter as it is a little repetitive.
you are right, there aren't too many albums in the last decade, that are as good as this one ... and it's absolutely unique by Daniel telling his story and let us feel with him .... I wonder, which other albums are among your top 5 or 10 of the decade?
Good evening Jim and Rudi, I’ve been reading Wikipedia while you were telling about the album. Quite a life changing experience he went through that nobody should ever have to experience. First song. I have problems to understand the lyrics as he’s singing louder but you feel the pain of uncertainty. Do I like the song…yes and no. I don’t like the structure of the song in the first part. I like the woman singing part in the middle and the rest (more or less). Second song. I’m still having problems to understand the lyrics. Musically it’s heavy and emotional. I don’t dislike it but the song will never be one of my favorites. Third song. Fragile and breakable. Fourth song. I like this song. For me, being highly sensitive, these emotions are difficult for me. I can feel the pain so to say and that drains the energy from me. Luckily for me the album is split into three parts. I wouldn’t be able to listen to the whole album or even the first half. For the same reason I don’t like horror movies.
Thank you Will for your - as always - detailed and honest comment. I can understand why the first 2 songs won't be your favourites ... but you surely have understood what this is all about . And Daniel expresses himself by his music and the lyrics. by the way : the "female" voice is Ragnar Solberg, a singer and guitarplayer from Iceland, being part of the band for a while but not anymore
@@JimNewstead hi Jim, Please don’t apologize because it was me who made the decision to listen to it. It’s the only way to find out if you like an album or song. One song isn’t enough to make a decision.
Actually it's not a woman, it's an Icelandic guy who were part of the band for a few years. They also did a remix of Remedy Lane that many (well we are too few really) fans regards superior to the original which still is regarded as their best album. Anyway, doesn't seem like this is for you. For me, having gone through a lot of really dark stuff it's almost therapeutic to get those emotions out through music.
there are some fans who love this tune. I like the album quite a lot, but don't find this title track as mind blowing or moving as many. It kind of is just there and plods along.
Fantastic album with a great opening track. "I close my hands, not in prayer, not in prayer... into fists" always gets me. What a freaking line.
No matter how much listening, watching and reading you do, some bands just pass you by when they have no right to do so. I was into prog from 1974 but it took me four years to 'find' Van der Graaf Generator who quickly became my favourite band for several years. My finger was pretty much on the pulse thereafter though Dream Theater escaped me until around 2008. Two years ago you played BE by Pain of Salvation and I was much impressed as I had heard of the band but had not been enticed to listen to them before that. Mea culpa. This is another fine record which is plainly in the higher echelons of modern prog-metal but again I have to wonder - 'Why did I not know how good they were years before this?' Thanks, Rudi and Jim, for exposing me to the good stuff (and very few stinkers!)
Hi Ken, I'm happy when you are 😆 Pain Of Salvation deserves a deeper dive .. I personally love the first 4 records, then with Scarsick they kind of drifted away and honestly Be isn't among my favourites, I would even say, it's at the other end of the POS "rainbow". So let's wait what you think about the rest of the album.
Little spoiler: the next 2 songs are the ones on the album that to me are just ok ... but then come 4 more songs of which I think 3 are great. So I not only wait for Jim's reaction but also your comment ! Enjoy 🤘
That's why I love having you around here Ken! Always a treat to play new music to someone who thinks they've heard it all!
I agree and believe they are one of those very very under appreciated bands. Maybe their music just requires too much for most people (even within their genre, if that's even a valid concept in regards to PoS)?
Great album! Spoiler alert: each album is unique and amazing in it's own atmosphere. All concepts, so do more of those. You won't regret it. Cheers from Portugal.
Thanks for the info!
So far this is better than the other Pain of Salvation album you listened to. I like the heavier elements. Still finding I wish they'd settle into and explore a groove for longer, but not bad.
Yes, it certainly does move around a lot!
Thank You Jim, the introduction was just the way I had wished it to be ... and also your words at the end. I enjoyed your reaction very much and will excitedly wait for part 2 and 3 ... and what my fellow commentators will think .. the ones who don't know the record yet and the ones, who know it and tell us what they think 🤘
Thank You Rudi! Great request as always 😊
@@progperljungman8218 I guess you know the album and most of POS music ?
@@rudolfbecker4313 Yup. Though I must confess, that being a major fan of the old stuff, I've listened far to little to this one... Not that I didn't like it - rather considered it a return to form. But after a couple of listens I... forgot I guess. So, you're doing a real service to an old PoS fan as well 🙏
My pleasure! As always! :)
I absolutely love your reviews. 😊
Thank you!
As someone who knows your musical preference and shares a lot of it, Pain of Salvation should be a mainstay right up there with Haken, Devin Townsend, Genesis, Yes etc. They have been around forever, and have never missed. They have never put out anything subpar and are true modern prog legends, even if not well known. This particular album is one of my special vinyl must haves. Right up there with The Human Equation by Ayreon, Empath by Devin Townsend, The Lamb by Genesis.
Hi Jim, 4 years have passed since you heard ihsahn for the first and only time. Ive requested this earlier couple of times or more 😂. Im here to remind you once again. Full album, ihsahn with the album after.
Is it really that long?
Love it, great album
as we humans tend to rank everything, where is this album on your POS list ? Have you ever seen POS live ? I did in 2002 opening for Dream Theater without having heard 1 song of them before ... but lots after ... and I saw them on the Passing Light tour ... great concert 🤘
@rudolfbecker4313 hi, welll, for the latter one... yes, I had the pleasure to see them live once here in Chile, it was great, although it was a small venue with indecent amplification, but the still sounded great. Ragnar sanf "Undertow" all by himself instead of Daniel and it was mindblowing..literally my jaw dropped more than what was possible.
As far as the bets album..man thats hard, all up to Scarsick are incredible in their unique way (although Scarsick whas kind of difficult to digest for a long time), then after that album I lost track of PoS and didnt like much of them so I stopped listening to the new stuff, until Panther came out, which I liked (and it seems Im one of the few).
And with that I went back and listened to "In the passing light of day" which I never hearod of and I was just blown away. How did I miss this album!!! just awesome, and probably in my top 3 PoS albums. If my life depended on ranking the albums... I would put The Perfect Element Pt1, Remedy Lane and In the Passing light of Day in the top 3, then BE, which is the strangest of them all, and then One Hour By the Concrete Lake, Entropia, Scarsick and Panther, Road Salt one and Road Salt II I havent listened to enough, but have some good songs like "Sisters". Back in the day, ealry 2000s I listened to One Hour by the concrete Lake a LOT... really a lot. so yea, tastes changes over time, and what I like know might be different in a few years lol
Solid soundscape. Nice production. Kinda felt the transitions into the heavier sections weren't the smoothest, but maybe that's what he was going for?
I guess you're absolutely right ... if you only check the lyrics of Tongue of God, beginning " I cry in the shower, I smile in the bed", imagine, he gets his open back cleaned in the shower and then put to bed with some drugs ... and as abrupt this might have been for him as abrupt are the changes in music .. what do you think?
@@rudolfbecker4313 considering the quality of the rest, it's what I figured.
I think you're right Rudi!
It’s absolutely amazing how this album is well recorded. Each instrument sounds massive. What to say about the drums? Sounds like you’re able to visualize every hit.
This is one of my favourite albums of the decade. Definitely one which benefits from repeated listens to appreciate it fully. All the tracks are great. The only flaw I found was that the title track could have been about 5 minutes shorter as it is a little repetitive.
you are right, there aren't too many albums in the last decade, that are as good as this one ... and it's absolutely unique by Daniel telling his story and let us feel with him .... I wonder, which other albums are among your top 5 or 10 of the decade?
Good evening Jim and Rudi,
I’ve been reading Wikipedia while you were telling about the album. Quite a life changing experience he went through that nobody should ever have to experience.
First song. I have problems to understand the lyrics as he’s singing louder but you feel the pain of uncertainty. Do I like the song…yes and no. I don’t like the structure of the song in the first part. I like the woman singing part in the middle and the rest (more or less).
Second song. I’m still having problems to understand the lyrics. Musically it’s heavy and emotional. I don’t dislike it but the song will never be one of my favorites.
Third song. Fragile and breakable.
Fourth song. I like this song.
For me, being highly sensitive, these emotions are difficult for me. I can feel the pain so to say and that drains the energy from me. Luckily for me the album is split into three parts. I wouldn’t be able to listen to the whole album or even the first half. For the same reason I don’t like horror movies.
Thank you Will for your - as always - detailed and honest comment. I can understand why the first 2 songs won't be your favourites ... but you surely have understood what this is all about . And Daniel expresses himself by his music and the lyrics.
by the way : the "female" voice is Ragnar Solberg, a singer and guitarplayer from Iceland, being part of the band for a while but not anymore
It's not been your week for music on the channel Will! Sorry, something to suit your ears soon!
@@JimNewstead hi Jim,
Please don’t apologize because it was me who made the decision to listen to it. It’s the only way to find out if you like an album or song. One song isn’t enough to make a decision.
Actually it's not a woman, it's an Icelandic guy who were part of the band for a few years. They also did a remix of Remedy Lane that many (well we are too few really) fans regards superior to the original which still is regarded as their best album. Anyway, doesn't seem like this is for you. For me, having gone through a lot of really dark stuff it's almost therapeutic to get those emotions out through music.
Thats called a DidgiBook 😊
Thanks!
there are some fans who love this tune. I like the album quite a lot, but don't find this title track as mind blowing or moving as many. It kind of is just there and plods along.
Fair enough!