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Just found you,&I am already on a tear of watching your videos!!! You are so clever,& I'm a Swiftie & fascinated with fandoms,too! Your channel is so UNIQUE&thank u for all ur hatd work❤🎉😊
Hi joeeee, I was wondering if maybe u can do the history of the lost song (now found ) everyone knows that song? Ik u won’t see or maybe but I think u would like it cuz of the drama and the outcome💀
@@societycrumbles the whole karma theory was clownery from the start. She literally said around 2016 that she was taking a break from releasing music in an interview, there was never "karma"
@@tombaker1643I think the most that one could argue is that Karma might've been the name of the album but later got changed to reputation. I think it's possible that she might've started out with an angrier, more bitter album, but then it didn't make much sense anymore to name it karma when she kept writing love songs... to think she had an entire, nearly finished, album that was shelved is absolutely delusional in my eyes
the reaches trying to piece together clues for a third album are hilarious, just shows how easy it is to create theories and find "proof" on random things
Nah. Even all these years later, I still believe the clues like the 3 cardigans were as obvious as the Lover sign. And I still believe the third sister was an intended album that morphed into Midnights. High Infidelity was written in early 2021 and references the day the album would’ve been announced.
i think it was just to test out spacing (woodvale and folklore have the same number of letters) without leaking the album name if the pics got out. def weird it was on official merch tho
I firmly believe Woodvale was just a mistake as she said. The similarities between the anthology tracks and Folklore/Evermore are mainly just due to Aaron Dessner's influence since he contributed much more to the anthology tracks than to the standard edition tracks.
When they speculated that the new album is a double album, i thought "no way, she's dedicated but not THAT dedicated! She'll probably release an MV at 2AM or something" lo and behold....
The editing on this video was really well done. I can tell you put A LOT of extra effort into it that wasn’t necessary but most definitely increased the quality and wachability.
I disagree, in my opinion, the similarities are solely due to Aaron Dessner's influence since he contributed much more to the anthology songs than to the standard edition tracks.
21:38 to add to this theory that the surprise songs are bsides from evermore/folklore a lost sister or the “woodvale”, she uploaded a video of her kitten Benji say he has two sisters, and this was during the clowning scene of the whole 2 thing. I think it’s not woodvale but it is also a sister to them
i think there was a 3rd album for the folklore trilogy but things turned rocky w joe and so we got midnights instead which is a one foot out the door album and ttpd is a moving on and rebound then new love with trav album
i think you should have talked about how cardigan MV ended with a melody that was then the start to willow MV, which ended with another melody that could have been the start to a woodvale MV. you can’t blame us, the woodvale clowning just made sense at the time.
After Midnights’ release, we’ve gotten to know its process and Midnights was initially leaning into the same sound as folklore/evermore, but as she kept working on it, she felt like she needed to come back to pop and ended up doing Midnights the way it is. Maybe that was woodvale? Or The Anthology?
When you mentioned TTPD I thought you were going to talk about the line “I keep these longings locked in lowercase inside a vault” from Guilty as Sin? as that single phrase feels like fuel to the whole theory that a 3rd album may really exist, since all the names are lowercased and it might still be in the vault as other songs of hers.
@@Mysterium-zy6ri in 2016 people thought that taylor was going to release an album called timeless, it’s a really long story and there was a website and a fake tracklist leak and stuff 😭 people thought 1989 would be called roses and then taylor kept wearing roses just to troll the clowns taylor said she hid the title of “lover” in the me! music video, every one and their mom guessed “lover” but taylor said “no one has guessed the title yet 🥰” so people thought it was kaleidoscope because of the visuals in the MV
I think these theories are fun up to the point where they start having real-world consequences. The Woodvale theory seems mostly harmless, I think. Can't say the same for some of the others (*cough* the Gay Taylor theory *cough*).
I always thought woodvale was just a placeholder for folklore. It's similar to the Karma theories, it was probably repurposed into Reputation. But, TTPD anthology feels like the 3rd folklore-evermore album.
everything being an easter egg sounds exhausting to me honestly, i don’t know how people dedicate entire accounts to it. your videos are like going into another world and it’s the only way i can navigate them lol
Honestly its Taylor's fault swifties are this delusional. I mean she literally put clues and riddles everywherdle. Even as a non swiftie "Woodvale" is pretty believable ngl
@@lwvrrboyy I know it was a joke; I was just commenting how wild it is that he’s been uploading so much. Also I’m not chronically online enough to decipher your full comment
I literally knew straight away from listening to TTPD Anthology that it sounded like folklore/evermore. I definitely do believe that The Anthology is a re-packaged version of "woodvale" and the reason why she probably released it under "The Anthology" was most likely because she didn't want to post 2 new albums at once.
I am a Swiftie and what always makes me crack up is that Taylor has not once… Not ever… done a super intricate, complicated, set of clues or hints. Literally, every single one of them has been like… when she released the song me! She hadn’t yet said what her album was going to be called and in one scene there’s a big billboard in the background that says lover (the name of the album). Or it’ll be an Easter egg like…. “Oh my God look there’s a song on her album called “sparkly rose dress”, and look, here’s a picture of her from three weeks before the album came out, where she’s wearing a dress with sparkly roses on it!” Or like when her new album (new att) had a song called Snow on the beach… she had posted a photo of herself on a snowy beach a few weeks before. My point is, they’re not typically clues. They’re more like Easter eggs and fun little things to notice after the fact. The most complex ones will literally be like… Say she’s releasing a surprise music video and not telling the fans … We realize *after the fact* that she posted every day for 5 days before with star emojis mixed within the caption… and each day she put one less emoji… And it was a countdown… As far as things you could possibly pick up on AHEAD of time, it would be something no more complex than that (emoji countdown lol). For the most part, they’re always things that you could not possibly figure out until after the fact. Easter eggs, not a riddle to be solved. The other kind of clue she does for the fans is where she’ll put hints within lyrics like, say there’s an older song that it’s really clear who it’s about (like “style” or “dear John” hahaha)… Then she writes another song that’s a lot more private like say it talks about the person’s addiction problems or that she was seeing them while they had a girlfriend… Or something more private like that that she wouldn’t want to put them on blast with publicly… with something like that, she’ll throw in a lyric or something from that other obviously-about-him song, so that we- the fans- all know, for sure, that the more private personal song is about that same person… As like a wink to the fans to let just us know. But it won’t be obvious enough that news can report on it… so it’s just for the fans (and again, after the fact). She has never once ever done a super complex clue like “ Oh, there was a sparrow in the background of the music video, and the sparrow is the state bird of (this isn’t true lol) Washington and as we all know her music producer from her second album lives in Washington, and his last name is “Pinkerton”, as we can see, she’s wearing pink lipstick in the scene with the sparrow… so she’s trying to tell us that she’s working with him. It’s never ONCE been something complex like that. It’s always something like the things I said, that would seem normal in the present, but then, with hindsight makes you go “oh, that’s clever!” or like I said, it’ll be like a little wink to the fans that only the fans will pick up on… But it’s never like an elaborate riddle with an escape room style set of clues lol. Like, even if you go back to the very first time she did this, on her very first albums where she gave up little clues about who the songs were about… when she was a teenager… All she did was in the Lyric book, put certain letters in bold, and then, if you wrote down all the bold letters, it would spell out a sentence like (whatever, I’m making this up>) “dancing at the Grammys” and let’s say she had been seen dancing at the Grammy’s to some musician that she had been rumored to be dating… So , that would make the fans go “Oh shit, this is definitely about him!” But the average person wouldn’t pick up on it and the news wouldn’t consider it like concrete enough to report on… It’s not meant to be like a crazed riddle lol it’s just supposed to be like fun little extra info for ppl who are big enough fans to care to figure it out. Just a fan thing with the fans. I don’t understand how they started thinking it was these elaborate things like this. It never has been. Not ever. Not even once lol.
True. They’re not like a puzzle or something they’ll never figure out (unless it’s specified to be that way). It’s just a matter of time because they become obvious when stuff comes out
Idk if anyone saw this but on the woodvale merch thing where taylor was teasing everyone, it said it was 31% on like an online thing for 31 hours. Well anyways with the anthology added to ttpd ir makes it 31 songs. Either taylor swift was planning the whole time or im delusional like every other swiftie lol
I'm confused with the fans saying that Taylor is lying and that they are getting the album. Because wouldn't she just not talk about it and wait for when it did come out. Instead of saying it wasn't happening.
I think the coloured merch was foreshadowing to midnight, since it’s blue. Literally every other clue makes so much sense and I’m still holding onto the hope of getting woodvale.
as someone who has never followed TS so i don't know what any of these things you're talking about are, these stories are so entertaining. i was hoping for a cracked code at the end lol
THESE GAVE ME GOOSEBUMPS! I really feel like the Anthology album is supposed to be the Woodvale album. The 15 tracks sound off compared to the original 16 of the Tortured Poets Department. These past few days, I tried listening to the Anthology without having to listen to the first 16 tracks from TPD and I thought to myself, this additional set of songs are great and could be a good on rotation with the Folklore and Evermore albums. SO as a member of the department, I declare WOODVALE, REVEALED through the ANTHOLOGY artifacts!
Honestly, to be frank, she could have been tossing around ideas for Midnights by the time evermore came out, since the vibe and color of Midnights is blue in tone, she likely penned folklore, evermore, and Midnights around 2020-2021, and released them in tandem, just Midnights was finished when the cottagecore aesthetic was on its way out and she changed the idea away from a trilogy, which she GENUINELY wanted to do. But I doubt it wouldve been called woodvale, I think she was telling the truth on that. She just delayed Mmidnights a LOT because she wanted to put out the rerecords and her new projects in alternating years.
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Ok I prob don’t think I did it but maybe..so the 3rd letter in folklore is L the third letter in evermore is E the 3rd letter in wood vale is O that means Leo…Leo is a sign from July to august… August is a song in folklore.. folklore was released on July 24..seven days away from august ….seven and august are in folklore…so what does this mean?
YALLLL!!! So she said herself she couldn’t stop writing folklore and the rest of the songs she put on evermore!? And gold rush mentions the word ‘folklore’ so I think gold rush was meant to be on folklore and that’s where she got the name from but when she chose the other tracks it didn’t go. Also I think bc she wrote folklore and evermore pretty much together so when she released the hide and seek version she was gonna call evermore ‘woodvale’ but changed it when she wrote the song ‘evermore’ to have the title mentioned or just wanted it to sound better with folklore. Or maybe gold rush was always gonna be on evermore but she wanted to name evermore ‘folklore’ but thought folklore fit the folklore album more so decided to name evermore ‘woodvale’ just to change it later. Or maybe Taylor wasn’t lying in the jimmy kimmel interview 🤷♀️🤔🤔
you really have the most random but interesting themes covered on your channel!! and i also like your voice its pleasing to listen to. i hope this do not come of as too weird
I still think woodvale will be TS12 bc what if Taylor realized folklore, evermore and woodvale needed parents. So that means Midnights and TTPD are folklore, evermore and woodvale's parents?. And Midnights' colors are blue and TTPD's colors are grey. Folklore is grey, evermore is orange but on the album cover of Midnights, Taylor is holding a lighter with a orange fire coming out of it. And if Woodvale's colors are blue, and Midnights' colors are blue as well, sooooooo... This means TS12 will be Woodvale
What I know is woodvale was the codename for folklore (same 8 letters. November was the codename of evermore (it fits cause it's the ninth album). But I really think, there could really be a trilogy but Midnights was persistent so yeah it didn't pushed through. TTPD standard caters to those who love Midnights. TTPD Anthology is the callback to folkmore
With TTPD I feel like she did go back to her port era with folklore. Examples like the Peter call out and the song I hate it here being very similar to the lakes.
In my opinion, the place holder story might be somewhat true, considering how unexpected and surprising folkmore was. And she was most likely going to use all the extra songs from folkmore for woodvale as time approached. But she didn't realise how brainy Swifties are. So they figured out everything before time. And also it could've been possible she didn't get time to record? Considering midnights , eras Tour , etc. But that still begs the question is TTPD the anthology secretly woodvale? The answer is yes and no. I believe some songs on the original TTPD album and some on the anthology are from woodvale. But I also have an unpopular opinion that Midnights has a few woodvale essence songs in it too. *THIS IS MY OWN OPINION*
You really did your research! This is an amazing video. Especially going into the merch. I remember when there were three different color scrunchies being sold during that time and we all thought it was woodvale!
As a Bowie fan , I was hoping he would follow up his outside album that was supposed to be 2 or 3 parts. For anyone that gets that. Instead he put out earthling.
i actually wanted woodvale so bad i put up a playlist of her folkloresque solo released like carolina, the Alcott, safe and sound... THEN SHE DROPPED THE ANTHOLOGY AND SUDDENLY I WAS BACK INTO THE WOODS AAAAAAAAH
I'm slightly surprised that he didn't mention how blue the color of "Midnights", which came out 2 years later after "Folklore" and "Evermore". I'm not saying that "Midnights" is woodvale or anything, but maybe she was hinting "Midnights" instead of woodvale?? Just a thought
In my opinion I really think woodvale was just an album title she scrapped and added on the hide and seek vinyl for fun, nothing more. Taylor Swift isn’t someone to just shelf an entire album. Great video btw
What if that 3rd of her trilogy is for TS19? Folkfore was her TS8 and Evermore was TS9... with the 3rd release as her TS19 the trilogy will be forming the year of her birth, 1989 (TS19 + 8 +9) Idk just speculating
one comment I spotted, closer to the end, was posted on april 29, 2021. BUT- the user was The Tortured Poets Department???? HOW?! also is the release of TTPD's Anthology announcement a countdown? It went from midnights (3 am version) to TTPD the anthology being released at 2 am? Also a random thing i found is John Tauras released a song called woodvale, with the same font and a similar cover... we just might have to see what comes next lol
i would'nt be surprised if her record label even didn't allow her to have a third folk album lol because evermore wasn't really a success of an album (commercially saying) like maybe she was selling all of those products and giving all of those hints without the label knowing and then they rejected the idea so woodvale was dead
I mean honestly, I hated TTPD but liked Anthology, and I LOVE Folklore/Evermore. It makes a lot of sense. I just wish she really had called it Woodvale, that's such a vibe
i feel like it wouldve been the third, but taylor needed more pop songs for eras tour, hence midnights, and she needed to rerelease, and then she started making ttpd. so no woodvale.
i think that she may have had something planned (not something big) and was trying to be very discreet about it and then just dropped it after fans started speculating about it.
NGL even as someone who isn't a huge swifty, I'd say since albums and merch is definitely going through dozens of checks (maybe even hundreds, but I don't know too much about the production processes) before it gets passed off, I don't see that this could have been something that was simply a mistake. I mean, it being on the hide and seek album version is too perfect as well..
because everytime taylor announces or releases a new album, they add that albums logo or TS in the font style of the album next to the taylorswift hashtag, and it also happens to older tweets as well. unfortunately OP didn’t predict TTPD 😅
I just love how I am slowly becoming a swiftie in the year of 2024 where TTPD is released, 15 extra songs of the anthology which is my age this year, and 31 songs in total which is the day I was born, when its swapped around its 13, and the fact i was born in the month where taylor fell in love with travis and the month Im born in the month harry otter was born in (another fandom, sorry) and the fact im still clowning over ttpd and rep tv😍 Anyways jokes aside I NOTICED SOMETHING FROM THE WILLOW WHERE TAYLOR WAS WEARING THE BLUE DRESS RIGHT? EVEN THO ITS NOT THAT RELEVANT BUT IN THE FORTNIGHT MV TAYLOR WAS WEARING A SIMILAR BLACK VERSION OF THE DRESS. Yes I know its not blue but maybe because of the colour filter it made it black in a way idk. SO MAYBE AND MOST LIKELY TTPD IS THE HIDDEN WOODVALE 2.0 AND SINCE TTPD HAS 2 ALBUMS. And something not as important, looking from the video, there was the post where taylor said that instead of turning back from the folklorian forest, they decided to wander "further in" which was how the new eras tour setlist went along with the transition 🤍 Maybe it was just me who noticed it recently but from the transition taylor was doing folklore then there was a storm sound effect which transitions into the evermore set!
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Joe, please upload these onto RUclips at some point, I'm too broke from all the Taylor vinyls I've bought 😃
OMG NEW JOE VID ITS HAPPENING THE 👑 IS BACK
Just found you,&I am already on a tear of watching your videos!!! You are so clever,& I'm a Swiftie & fascinated with fandoms,too! Your channel is so UNIQUE&thank u for all ur hatd work❤🎉😊
Can you make another videofor the even bigger delulu theory: KARMA
Hi joeeee, I was wondering if maybe u can do the history of the lost song (now found ) everyone knows that song? Ik u won’t see or maybe but I think u would like it cuz of the drama and the outcome💀
maybe woodvale is the friends we made along the way
yeah
hide and seek the word "woodvale" was hidden and we seeked it.
we need a follow up video explaining how karma went from lost album to cat purring in my lap
karma never existed, just another fan theory. Rep is too close to the message of a so called Karma album that it literally makes no sense
@@societycrumbles the whole karma theory was clownery from the start. She literally said around 2016 that she was taking a break from releasing music in an interview, there was never "karma"
@@tombaker1643I think the most that one could argue is that Karma might've been the name of the album but later got changed to reputation. I think it's possible that she might've started out with an angrier, more bitter album, but then it didn't make much sense anymore to name it karma when she kept writing love songs... to think she had an entire, nearly finished, album that was shelved is absolutely delusional in my eyes
@@societycrumblesSome of y’all are ridiculousssssss like delulu land levels
@@societycrumbles you cant argue with stupid i guess
the reaches trying to piece together clues for a third album are hilarious, just shows how easy it is to create theories and find "proof" on random things
The HAIM sisters being turned into easter eggs by swifties took me out 😭
I didn’t even start the video yet but I know it’s coming lol
You should see the mcr fandom, theyre clinging onto every straw they can get... :D
Nah. Even all these years later, I still believe the clues like the 3 cardigans were as obvious as the Lover sign. And I still believe the third sister was an intended album that morphed into Midnights. High Infidelity was written in early 2021 and references the day the album would’ve been announced.
what three cardigans? @@Rachels7777
the way this video feels like im listening to a secret under crime scene mystery or something and it’s just a taylor’s theory IM CRYINGGHG
thats how all joe regrets videos feel😭😭
hHAHA ik like im on the edge of my seat here
Same it feels like a crime scene
So very dramatic eh?!?!
I’m literally alone at night and I feel like a little man is gonna find me and jump me from this I’m getting goosebumps man
woodvale: died in 2020
ttpd anthology: born on 2024
WELCOME BACK WOODVALE
not kidding i made a playlist with TTPD tracks and called it woodvale and im kinda obsessed
REAL WHEN I HEARD THE ALBATROSS I JUST KNEW WE’RE BACK IN THE WOODS
Please don’t insult woodvale like this 😭
@@asmrtpop2676 they said the anthology, not the flop standard🤭
@@asmrtpop2676 why do ppl think ttpd is a flop
I would’ve just assumed that woodvale was gonna be the name for evermore but she changed it to make Evermore a title track and rhyme with folklore
Cus we are not hinged
actually, it's the opposite, woodvale was the original name for folklore in production, but she changed it
@@yutavergilThey were saying what they would have assumed. Not what actually happened.
Wood vale is name of the street of Joe Alwyns family home
WHAT???@@epicspacedorito4916
The intense music playing whenever the theories got outrageous killed me
REAL IT’S SO OMINOUS
Music sets the tone, no?
Makes you wonder what she’s REALLY up to, yeah?
Woodvale: "I was suppose to be sent away but they forgot to come and get me" literal forgotten sister😭
they forgot to remove woodvale from the albam
hide and seek the word "woodvale" was hidden and we seeked it.
woodvale is the middle sister... thats why she was forgotten lol we just didn't notice
@@maddie_999literally, she's not dumb!😭 it HAS to mean something
13 days ago
i think it was just to test out spacing (woodvale and folklore have the same number of letters) without leaking the album name if the pics got out. def weird it was on official merch tho
lmao finished the vid- guess i was right
This mistake happened again with Slvt featuring the 1975
yea i think so too
That's literally what said lol
as a swiftie, i take comfort in knowing that i will never be delusional over a boy the way i am delusional for taylor swift theories
same (im lesbian)
Girl this is only marginally better
@@thanatoast marginally
not same (im gay)
@dazzlingburritoes5693 Marginally (adv.) To only a limited extent; slightly. This is 3rd grade vocab.
I firmly believe Woodvale was just a mistake as she said. The similarities between the anthology tracks and Folklore/Evermore are mainly just due to Aaron Dessner's influence since he contributed much more to the anthology tracks than to the standard edition tracks.
i always knew the swifties are often wild in their theories and are often clowns, but the majority of the theories are literally borderline delusions😭
Swifties doing weird numerology like that one video of the “Monster Energy = Satan” lady
@@GafafsgLMAOOO FR
Well some of the delusional theories had become true before then so swifties were extra delusional with their thories
When they speculated that the new album is a double album, i thought "no way, she's dedicated but not THAT dedicated! She'll probably release an MV at 2AM or something" lo and behold....
Some are 100% delusional, always expecting more out of taylor BUT sometimes we are correct...
The editing on this video was really well done. I can tell you put A LOT of extra effort into it that wasn’t necessary but most definitely increased the quality and wachability.
Ok so true!
the anthology is definitely woodvale in the sense that its the 3rd installment of the folklore triology. she never called it woodvale though lol
I disagree, in my opinion, the similarities are solely due to Aaron Dessner's influence since he contributed much more to the anthology songs than to the standard edition tracks.
@@bendowson3124Aaron can make banger songs like WCS but Taylor chose to go into FolkMore-like production which is the best thing she did
She didn't plan it, she did more folkmore songs for the fans who missed that sound and complained about Midnights.
#donotunderestimatets
🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍
I’m with ya
21:38 to add to this theory that the surprise songs are bsides from evermore/folklore a lost sister or the “woodvale”, she uploaded a video of her kitten Benji say he has two sisters, and this was during the clowning scene of the whole 2 thing. I think it’s not woodvale but it is also a sister to them
Benjamin literally has two sisters (Meredith and Olivia)
“Do you really wanna know where I was April 29th?”
Laughing at us, knowing there would be no album the next day
I'm a slowie but you make literally everything interesting...and I think that's beautiful.
i think there was a 3rd album for the folklore trilogy but things turned rocky w joe and so we got midnights instead which is a one foot out the door album and ttpd is a moving on and rebound then new love with trav album
Midnights was released because she needed new “pop” songs to drive the eras tour
i think you should have talked about how cardigan MV ended with a melody that was then the start to willow MV, which ended with another melody that could have been the start to a woodvale MV. you can’t blame us, the woodvale clowning just made sense at the time.
LITERALLY WAS BINGING YOUR VIDEOS PERFECT TIMING KING
After Midnights’ release, we’ve gotten to know its process and Midnights was initially leaning into the same sound as folklore/evermore, but as she kept working on it, she felt like she needed to come back to pop and ended up doing Midnights the way it is. Maybe that was woodvale? Or The Anthology?
When you mentioned TTPD I thought you were going to talk about the line “I keep these longings locked in lowercase inside a vault” from Guilty as Sin? as that single phrase feels like fuel to the whole theory that a 3rd album may really exist, since all the names are lowercased and it might still be in the vault as other songs of hers.
This is my theory too!!
WE HAVE BEEN FEED ❤️
you should do a video absout all the taylor swift albums that never existed! (timeless, karma, roses, kaleidoscope)
I've heard of Karma, but what's timeless, roses, and kaleidoscope?
@@Mysterium-zy6ri in 2016 people thought that taylor was going to release an album called timeless, it’s a really long story and there was a website and a fake tracklist leak and stuff 😭
people thought 1989 would be called roses and then taylor kept wearing roses just to troll the clowns
taylor said she hid the title of “lover” in the me! music video, every one and their mom guessed “lover” but taylor said “no one has guessed the title yet 🥰” so people thought it was kaleidoscope because of the visuals in the MV
@@purple_rose959they also thought it was gonna be called "Home"
I think these theories are fun up to the point where they start having real-world consequences. The Woodvale theory seems mostly harmless, I think. Can't say the same for some of the others (*cough* the Gay Taylor theory *cough*).
Also Swifties believing it despite TS telling them straight up that Woodvale wasn't real is the type of obsession that truly begins to be scary.
Bestie, I'm worried about the Gaylor Swifties because the subreddit is still up and running
What's the theory??? That despite her having exclusively male exes She's a lesbian???
The woodvale theory is about her art, the gay theory is about her personal life.
The woodvale theory is just dumb fun while the Gaylor theory is sorta disrespectful to Taylor as well as actual LGBTQ+ artists
Babe wake up, Joe Regrets just posted a new video!
Read that as Joe Rogan and was so confused, then I was like “.. who Tf is Joe Regrets” and had to check the RUclipsr name lol.
@@LordOfElysium HELP??
Thank you babe
@@mysteryshoes4192 💀
I always thought woodvale was just a placeholder for folklore. It's similar to the Karma theories, it was probably repurposed into Reputation. But, TTPD anthology feels like the 3rd folklore-evermore album.
I assumed it was the placeholder name for evermore.
everything being an easter egg sounds exhausting to me honestly, i don’t know how people dedicate entire accounts to it. your videos are like going into another world and it’s the only way i can navigate them lol
Oh wait the dark blue was for midnights lol
Honestly its Taylor's fault swifties are this delusional. I mean she literally put clues and riddles everywherdle. Even as a non swiftie "Woodvale" is pretty believable ngl
$20 for 3 scrunchies is crazy
taycapitalist at her finest
great editing with the accompaning visuals and full circle storytelling! will watch out for more output from your channel!
Folklore is my fav album. The anthology half is SOOOO folklore. The prophecy so folklore. Cassandra, is legit mad woman 2. I could see it honestly.
Aaron desner said They recorded 60 Songs during folklore era?!?!
60! people that aren't released!
I keep these longings locked
In lowercase, inside a vault
Matty Healy said he even recorded a song with Taylor for Folklore that wasn't released....
as I much I desire that woodvale exists, I just can't stop thinking that all the clues that were blue was for midnights actually
new yearly post from joe!!
He’s actually been posting a crazy amount in the past year! Plus one extra video if you count his second channel
@@Ash_W04 it's a joke.. wbk hunny it's bc he used too rarely post around 2020 smth ijbol
@@lwvrrboyy I know it was a joke; I was just commenting how wild it is that he’s been uploading so much. Also I’m not chronically online enough to decipher your full comment
@@Ash_W04 ok well glad 4 u.. u throw around chronically online loosely when it takes a few scrolls to find that out
@@Ash_W04y'all will call anything "chronically online"
We need the Karma album video ASAP now
the algorithm recomended me this video 13 days later.
I literally knew straight away from listening to TTPD Anthology that it sounded like folklore/evermore. I definitely do believe that The Anthology is a re-packaged version of "woodvale" and the reason why she probably released it under "The Anthology" was most likely because she didn't want to post 2 new albums at once.
Just imagine, 10yrs from now she drops woodvale being like „you were right“ 😂
This is why i love being a swiftie the delulu clown ing is so fun sometimes 🤣
I am a Swiftie and what always makes me crack up is that Taylor has not once… Not ever… done a super intricate, complicated, set of clues or hints.
Literally, every single one of them has been like… when she released the song me! She hadn’t yet said what her album was going to be called and in one scene there’s a big billboard in the background that says lover (the name of the album). Or it’ll be an Easter egg like…. “Oh my God look there’s a song on her album called “sparkly rose dress”, and look, here’s a picture of her from three weeks before the album came out, where she’s wearing a dress with sparkly roses on it!” Or like when her new album (new att) had a song called Snow on the beach… she had posted a photo of herself on a snowy beach a few weeks before. My point is, they’re not typically clues. They’re more like Easter eggs and fun little things to notice after the fact.
The most complex ones will literally be like… Say she’s releasing a surprise music video and not telling the fans … We realize *after the fact* that she posted every day for 5 days before with star emojis mixed within the caption… and each day she put one less emoji… And it was a countdown…
As far as things you could possibly pick up on AHEAD of time, it would be something no more complex than that (emoji countdown lol).
For the most part, they’re always things that you could not possibly figure out until after the fact. Easter eggs, not a riddle to be solved.
The other kind of clue she does for the fans is where she’ll put hints within lyrics like, say there’s an older song that it’s really clear who it’s about (like “style” or “dear John” hahaha)… Then she writes another song that’s a lot more private like say it talks about the person’s addiction problems or that she was seeing them while they had a girlfriend… Or something more private like that that she wouldn’t want to put them on blast with publicly… with something like that, she’ll throw in a lyric or something from that other obviously-about-him song, so that we- the fans- all know, for sure, that the more private personal song is about that same person… As like a wink to the fans to let just us know.
But it won’t be obvious enough that news can report on it… so it’s just for the fans (and again, after the fact).
She has never once ever done a super complex clue like “ Oh, there was a sparrow in the background of the music video, and the sparrow is the state bird of (this isn’t true lol) Washington and as we all know her music producer from her second album lives in Washington, and his last name is “Pinkerton”, as we can see, she’s wearing pink lipstick in the scene with the sparrow… so she’s trying to tell us that she’s working with him. It’s never ONCE been something complex like that. It’s always something like the things I said, that would seem normal in the present, but then, with hindsight makes you go “oh, that’s clever!” or like I said, it’ll be like a little wink to the fans that only the fans will pick up on… But it’s never like an elaborate riddle with an escape room style set of clues lol.
Like, even if you go back to the very first time she did this, on her very first albums where she gave up little clues about who the songs were about… when she was a teenager… All she did was in the Lyric book, put certain letters in bold, and then, if you wrote down all the bold letters, it would spell out a sentence like (whatever, I’m making this up>) “dancing at the Grammys” and let’s say she had been seen dancing at the Grammy’s to some musician that she had been rumored to be dating… So , that would make the fans go “Oh shit, this is definitely about him!” But the average person wouldn’t pick up on it and the news wouldn’t consider it like concrete enough to report on… It’s not meant to be like a crazed riddle lol it’s just supposed to be like fun little extra info for ppl who are big enough fans to care to figure it out. Just a fan thing with the fans.
I don’t understand how they started thinking it was these elaborate things like this.
It never has been.
Not ever.
Not even once lol.
damn
True. They’re not like a puzzle or something they’ll never figure out (unless it’s specified to be that way). It’s just a matter of time because they become obvious when stuff comes out
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exactly! swifties just love to overthink stuff
the peace sign before TTPD was just it's a two album drop. they're honestly very straight forward. but people have fun with their maths
Idk if anyone saw this but on the woodvale merch thing where taylor was teasing everyone, it said it was 31% on like an online thing for 31 hours. Well anyways with the anthology added to ttpd ir makes it 31 songs. Either taylor swift was planning the whole time or im delusional like every other swiftie lol
I'm confused with the fans saying that Taylor is lying and that they are getting the album. Because wouldn't she just not talk about it and wait for when it did come out. Instead of saying it wasn't happening.
I think the coloured merch was foreshadowing to midnight, since it’s blue. Literally every other clue makes so much sense and I’m still holding onto the hope of getting woodvale.
The idea that woodvale was a refrence to random street in West Norwood has me screaming like hun
i really like the editing on these videos 👍
as someone who has never followed TS so i don't know what any of these things you're talking about are, these stories are so entertaining. i was hoping for a cracked code at the end lol
the energy for Karma never died down
taylor swift: *breathes*
fans: NEW ALBUM CALLED OXYGEN IS COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
her impact, oh my god.
THESE GAVE ME GOOSEBUMPS! I really feel like the Anthology album is supposed to be the Woodvale album. The 15 tracks sound off compared to the original 16 of the Tortured Poets Department. These past few days, I tried listening to the Anthology without having to listen to the first 16 tracks from TPD and I thought to myself, this additional set of songs are great and could be a good on rotation with the Folklore and Evermore albums. SO as a member of the department, I declare WOODVALE, REVEALED through the ANTHOLOGY artifacts!
PLEASEEEE DO MOREEE YOURE MY FAV HISTORIAN
Honestly, to be frank, she could have been tossing around ideas for Midnights by the time evermore came out, since the vibe and color of Midnights is blue in tone, she likely penned folklore, evermore, and Midnights around 2020-2021, and released them in tandem, just Midnights was finished when the cottagecore aesthetic was on its way out and she changed the idea away from a trilogy, which she GENUINELY wanted to do. But I doubt it wouldve been called woodvale, I think she was telling the truth on that. She just delayed Mmidnights a LOT because she wanted to put out the rerecords and her new projects in alternating years.
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I googled the cover and found the word myself
Now I’m running through my house and keep saying no no no no no no no no no no
The second The Anthology was brought up i went from a normal face to hand over mouth actually gasping wtf
Ok I prob don’t think I did it but maybe..so the 3rd letter in folklore is L the third letter in evermore is E the 3rd letter in wood vale is O that means Leo…Leo is a sign from July to august… August is a song in folklore.. folklore was released on July 24..seven days away from august ….seven and august are in folklore…so what does this mean?
14:14 The album after it was Midnights - The blue album
1) woodvale sounds such a great name for an album.
2) you should make a video on tayvoodoo. It's actually really scary.
YALLLL!!! So she said herself she couldn’t stop writing folklore and the rest of the songs she put on evermore!? And gold rush mentions the word ‘folklore’ so I think gold rush was meant to be on folklore and that’s where she got the name from but when she chose the other tracks it didn’t go. Also I think bc she wrote folklore and evermore pretty much together so when she released the hide and seek version she was gonna call evermore ‘woodvale’ but changed it when she wrote the song ‘evermore’ to have the title mentioned or just wanted it to sound better with folklore. Or maybe gold rush was always gonna be on evermore but she wanted to name evermore ‘folklore’ but thought folklore fit the folklore album more so decided to name evermore ‘woodvale’ just to change it later. Or maybe Taylor wasn’t lying in the jimmy kimmel interview 🤷♀️🤔🤔
you really have the most random but interesting themes covered on your channel!! and i also like your voice its pleasing to listen to. i hope this do not come of as too weird
They “forgot” to remove it on the “hide and seek” cover… that is so sus
I still think woodvale will be TS12 bc what if Taylor realized folklore, evermore and woodvale needed parents. So that means Midnights and TTPD are folklore, evermore and woodvale's parents?. And Midnights' colors are blue and TTPD's colors are grey. Folklore is grey, evermore is orange but on the album cover of Midnights, Taylor is holding a lighter with a orange fire coming out of it. And if Woodvale's colors are blue, and Midnights' colors are blue as well, sooooooo... This means TS12 will be Woodvale
What I know is woodvale was the codename for folklore (same 8 letters. November was the codename of evermore (it fits cause it's the ninth album). But I really think, there could really be a trilogy but Midnights was persistent so yeah it didn't pushed through. TTPD standard caters to those who love Midnights. TTPD Anthology is the callback to folkmore
The way 4 years after we still have NOT learnt from our mistakes 😭😭
With TTPD I feel like she did go back to her port era with folklore. Examples like the Peter call out and the song I hate it here being very similar to the lakes.
Last night's surprise piano songs 💛
In my opinion, the place holder story might be somewhat true, considering how unexpected and surprising folkmore was. And she was most likely going to use all the extra songs from folkmore for woodvale as time approached. But she didn't realise how brainy Swifties are. So they figured out everything before time. And also it could've been possible she didn't get time to record? Considering midnights , eras Tour , etc.
But that still begs the question is TTPD the anthology secretly woodvale?
The answer is yes and no.
I believe some songs on the original TTPD album and some on the anthology are from woodvale.
But I also have an unpopular opinion that Midnights has a few woodvale essence songs in it too.
*THIS IS MY OWN OPINION*
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You really did your research! This is an amazing video. Especially going into the merch. I remember when there were three different color scrunchies being sold during that time and we all thought it was woodvale!
As a Bowie fan , I was hoping he would follow up his outside album that was supposed to be 2 or 3 parts. For anyone that gets that. Instead he put out earthling.
i actually wanted woodvale so bad i put up a playlist of her folkloresque solo released like carolina, the Alcott, safe and sound... THEN SHE DROPPED THE ANTHOLOGY AND SUDDENLY I WAS BACK INTO THE WOODS AAAAAAAAH
God, i hope im never mentally unstable enough to spend $20 on a three pack of cheap looking scrunchies.
I'm slightly surprised that he didn't mention how blue the color of "Midnights", which came out 2 years later after "Folklore" and "Evermore". I'm not saying that "Midnights" is woodvale or anything, but maybe she was hinting "Midnights" instead of woodvale?? Just a thought
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omg love ur videos hope to see this again but for the karma album that was suppose to happen when she bleached her hair ❤😭
YAYY NEW UPLOAD
In my opinion I really think woodvale was just an album title she scrapped and added on the hide and seek vinyl for fun, nothing more. Taylor Swift isn’t someone to just shelf an entire album. Great video btw
I am woodvale truther. WOODVALE IS IN HER VAULT IM SURE!!!😭😭
I would love another albulm tbh
Swiftie theories are fun and all, but after numbers and math get involved...I'm OUT 😅
What if that 3rd of her trilogy is for TS19? Folkfore was her TS8 and Evermore was TS9... with the 3rd release as her TS19 the trilogy will be forming the year of her birth, 1989 (TS19 + 8 +9) Idk just speculating
one comment I spotted, closer to the end, was posted on april 29, 2021. BUT- the user was The Tortured Poets Department???? HOW?! also is the release of TTPD's Anthology announcement a countdown? It went from midnights (3 am version) to TTPD the anthology being released at 2 am? Also a random thing i found is John Tauras released a song called woodvale, with the same font and a similar cover... we just might have to see what comes next lol
i would'nt be surprised if her record label even didn't allow her to have a third folk album lol
because evermore wasn't really a success of an album (commercially saying)
like maybe she was selling all of those products and giving all of those hints without the label knowing and then they rejected the idea so woodvale was dead
BUT LIKE TAYLOR HAD A BIG OPPORTUNITY THO
I mean honestly, I hated TTPD but liked Anthology, and I LOVE Folklore/Evermore. It makes a lot of sense. I just wish she really had called it Woodvale, that's such a vibe
im crying i wish it was another i love folklore and evermore and folklores my favourite i really wish
This theory still isn’t as big as the karma ts theory
i feel like it wouldve been the third, but taylor needed more pop songs for eras tour, hence midnights, and she needed to rerelease, and then she started making ttpd. so no woodvale.
i think that she may have had something planned (not something big) and was trying to be very discreet about it and then just dropped it after fans started speculating about it.
This was VERY well done! Thank You 🌞
NGL even as someone who isn't a huge swifty, I'd say since albums and merch is definitely going through dozens of checks (maybe even hundreds, but I don't know too much about the production processes) before it gets passed off, I don't see that this could have been something that was simply a mistake. I mean, it being on the hide and seek album version is too perfect as well..
idk why but this scared the shit outta me
Guys it’s not a lie I have the hide and seek folklore varient and it’s on the top right corner
20:26 that dramatic background vibration is so funny lol
I can't believe I missed a new video! I always overlooked it because I'm so swamped in Taylor content 😅
Wait… no way…. Why is the TTPD logo on a tweet posted in December 2020 at 15:14?
because everytime taylor announces or releases a new album, they add that albums logo or TS in the font style of the album next to the taylorswift hashtag, and it also happens to older tweets as well. unfortunately OP didn’t predict TTPD 😅
Joe’s videos always make me extremely unsettled but i am obsessed with the accent and the lore so i return
I just love how I am slowly becoming a swiftie in the year of 2024 where TTPD is released, 15 extra songs of the anthology which is my age this year, and 31 songs in total which is the day I was born, when its swapped around its 13, and the fact i was born in the month where taylor fell in love with travis and the month Im born in the month harry otter was born in (another fandom, sorry) and the fact im still clowning over ttpd and rep tv😍
Anyways jokes aside I NOTICED SOMETHING FROM THE WILLOW WHERE TAYLOR WAS WEARING THE BLUE DRESS RIGHT? EVEN THO ITS NOT THAT RELEVANT BUT IN THE FORTNIGHT MV TAYLOR WAS WEARING A SIMILAR BLACK VERSION OF THE DRESS. Yes I know its not blue but maybe because of the colour filter it made it black in a way idk. SO MAYBE AND MOST LIKELY TTPD IS THE HIDDEN WOODVALE 2.0 AND SINCE TTPD HAS 2 ALBUMS.
And something not as important, looking from the video, there was the post where taylor said that instead of turning back from the folklorian forest, they decided to wander "further in" which was how the new eras tour setlist went along with the transition 🤍 Maybe it was just me who noticed it recently but from the transition taylor was doing folklore then there was a storm sound effect which transitions into the evermore set!
You should do a video about the lost song Dance For Hours a Day or just lost songs and the fandom of trying to find them in general