Defiance ETFs (QQQY) vs YieldMax ETFs (TSLY)
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
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i liked your thumbnail and title. Caught my attention and i watched the whole vid. Thanks for posting.
You’re welcome
Thanks for watching
New Subscriber! Great video. I’ve owned JEPI for 3 years and its performance has been just barely adequate for me. I’m most happy with DIVO. May buy some IDVO next and I’m researching QQQY. I hold 8% of my assets currently for covered call income.
Thank you
What's insane is the amount of money options traders can make! I was aware that it's possible. This is making it available to us - who do not have options experience. I've been buying in and am watching like a hawk!
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Thank you. I didn’t think about the difference in days between JEPY and QQQY
Yea JEPY is not getting enough love
I have a lot of options experience and these type of returns definitely are possible with ODTE options
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So awesome that retailers can now enjoy what wall street has been doing for years. They wanted you to just be happy with ur 8% a year returns while they make a killing. Now things have changed!
Exactly
Loving this
Nice Vid. Picked up 700 shares Fri. I need to ease out of KLIP, it's going nowhere but down. Yikes.
Yeah I’m very small on Klip right now
I took a small position of 200 shares of QQQY on Friday. I'll be getting over $200 distribution on Thursday. I plan to buy more QQQY and JEPY if the ETFs continue to perform well.
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Doesnt matter when you buy....you arent Fooling anyone....
Bro I love the thumbnail, it made me laugh 😂
Thanks, a friend made it for me
Okay Sir----all these high distribution rates only make sense if the ETF's price doesn't depreciate far enough to nullify your purported gain.
So?????
Waiting for Qqqy price after div
I bought a few shares QQQY and JEPY, just to see what happens. I’ll be watching to see how next month goes. Only time will tell. Positive vibes.
There’s the right attitude 👍🏼
All I know is that I am down on all of these high yield ETFs, except for KLIP. Just barely breaking even. I guess you could argue we had such a pull back in the markets the last couple of weeks and I purchased these high yield ETFS like the last couple of months.
hang in there, after a year or so of distributions, your cost per share will be much lower, look at the longer term and the compounding effect of distribution re investing
Looks like i will be changing my assets moving forward: TSLY 33% , CONY 33%, and JEPY 33%. Will adjust these as return changes. thanks for all your great info.
Wow that’s a hell of a team you got there
Very good insights. Could you review how Max/Defiance are taxed (long-term/short/roc/qualified)? I have seen some verbiage the Maxs might be partially qualified. Plus, if any of these might have K1 exposure.
It will be qualified if they have some paid as return of capital and no K1s from what I read(better not be).
Thats what I read on K1...Thanks on the qualified@@RetireonDividends
Curious about trading volume of shares of QQQY and JEPY since recent inception.
As always R.O.D. good video
Much appreciated
Great vids, thank you, and the only caveat I would add is in the prospectus ROC is a possibility with these. Did they do it this time around? I don’t see any indication they did, but I will stand corrected if someone can post from the fund manager or sub manager contrary info. The rest of the speculation about erosion, etc. is just FUD 😃
Time will tell I guess
Should be on their semi annual report
I like the thought of the fund, good to follow along and see how it evolves as far as strategy goes. I would plan on more of a 60% yield over time
Yea that’s more of a reasonable expectation
What are your thoughts on the long-term sustainability and capital appreciation of these ETFs compared to TSLY’s?
I’m not expecting much capital appreciation if at all. Just hoping to stay flat or a little ahead.
Fantastic, great info. Thank you
You’re very welcome
Ok great video. My question is with all of these type of ETF's they seem to drop and continue to drop in share prices so you are losing money and will have to keep them for a substantial amount of time to recoop that loss in the dividend payment. Would a good strategy be to only buy them on the Ex-dividend date when the price drops the most? Like today QQQY is down to 18.64. I am like you with TSLY and can't seem to get out of the hole of share price dropping vs dividend gains.
That’s one strategy but I basically try to do that all month because these funds can drop at anytime and I try to keep money aside to buy at those times.
@@RetireonDividends yeah market tanking today 😭😭
Jay & the crew @ Zega are on fire!
Yup
I hope these (JEPY & QQQY) are not gonna be 🐶💩 because it’s been down like 1.5 dollars a share in a month. With Yield max - tsly and Nvidia are the only ones that seem promising. All the other ones (apple google Amazon etc) are low 10 percent yielders. If I want 10 percent I rather put it safer with Jepq. So those are out the trash.
I hope not either
The unknow is how will Defiance traders and the fund handle a 5% or more market drop in one day or sustain drop in a week. We have seen what happened to YieldMax TSLY when there was a 9% downturn in Tesla in one day and over multiple straight days of downturn in the market.
Time will tell
Due to the lawsuit filed in GA federal court by the same white racist who did the affirmative action lawsuit. The trial judge refused to holt the grants and it went to the appeal court that ordered the freeze yesterday @@RetireonDividends
I’ll be making QQQY and JEPY around 3 percent each of my portfolio..Will they be able to pay at least 25 percent annual yield on the low end? Yes, I think so. I’ll take it.
I hope so
I got nearly $8,000 from Klip, sold it all on QQQY’s declaration date and went all in on QQQY. Got nearly $10,000 from QQQY. IF QQQY actually pays on the 5th of October (which is Yield Max’s declaration date) then I’ll go all in on the highest YM fund … unless the QQQY share price hasn’t risen enough. If that’s the case then just buy more QQQY or JEPY (whichever has the lowest price). These 3 funds really are a MONEY MACHINE😎
My question is did you sell kilp for a capital gain or a capital loss?
Hopefully you kept most of your capital
@@Letsgo50-zw3fjit’s ALL in an rollover IRA (tax advantaged).
@@mattjcraneslight gain ($1,100).
@@RetireonDividendsI made money.
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I might rebalance my 85% TSYL to 15% QQQY to a combination of JEPY, QQQY and TSLY. I got in on TSLY at 13.43 average price which I love.
Maybe rebalance by reinvesting and future investments in JEPY and QQQY.
Also like that payday in early month!!
QQQY and JEPY early Month payout, TSLY mid month and KLIP end of month. 3 payment dates a month!!
Nice
SVOL is end of month too
Wish to remind NAV will not remain constant for 252 days
So calculation has to be adjusted.
Well it will go down, up, stay flat, and who knows what. I can’t really adjust for just the dividend decrease without considering the underlying movement.
These things are too hot to handle be careful! I got but a very small position. Speculative 10x
Yea they are. Danger!
I'll take a small position in both to just track, but i could see massive nav decay if we get another run of 2022 volatility.
For sure
What is stopping someone from owning this to the EX date, selling then buying the yield max. To double dip?
The drop in price for the distribution amount on ex date
Nothing. But remember the stock price will adjust down on the ex-dividend date so you will net zero. This type of scheme, and I've done it before too, doesn't work as well as you think it does because the stock price can move on you. As another example, the stock you sold may go up in price and you will have to buy it back at a more expensive price than if you had held it (thus decreasing yields and gains). This is an old scheme, many have tried it, some can be successful.
Distribution is high when the amount of shares to divide it between are few. As more people invest, this figure will drop (as it should)
Well they actually declared it 1.5 days before ex date which means they did not know how many shareholders there were going to be.
How to protect the downside for these ETFs?
You can always set a stop loss
What I noticed was that the volume of QQQY went up from average 200k to 1200k on declaration day. So how will they pay $1.10 to an extra 1 million share holder?
@@Mr_Glock19 That's incorrect. The holder of record on market open of the ex-dividend date is the person who will get the dividend. In other words you have to buy before market close the day BEFORE the ex-dividend date to get the dividend. Trust me.
If you buy before ex you get divvy
He makes a good point where is the div money for those last minute investors gonna come from? And how long will the fund managers be able to sustain that constant inflow and outflow vs the long term investors that will park their money for the long haul.
@@clydesdaleclaude522 Trading volume is a measure of the number of transactions and thus liquidity, not shares outstanding
@@clydesdaleclaude522this will probably affect the share price. I notice most of these ETFs in time they tend to move to the lower side.
Fuck it. I’m all in because of this vid
Take it easy
YOLO lets max out the margin i am on in
Thanks for the breakdown!
NP
I’m waiting for your follow up video now to watch haha
Looking forward to your thoughts
Lovin it!❤
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1 stock ( yeildmax) vs a index
Yup
Curious as to how you would rank these best to worst: $TSLY, $AMZY, $BITO, $NVDY, $SVOL, $CLM, $APLY, $OARK, $KLIP, $NLY, $TLTW, $NFLY, $SPYI, $CCD, $CRF, $HIGH, $QQQY, $JEPY, $TLTW, $PFFA, $JPS
I’ll rate the ones I own:
SVOL
TSLY
JEPY
SPYI
QQQY
NVDY
AMZY
NFLY
OARK
KLIP
APLY
Can’t really speak to the others
Smart move for any investor is to control the greed and evenly distribute your money to all high yield etfs accordingly in order to prevent a house burn by putting all eggs in one basket .
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yup, waaay too early.
Just watched a video with Sylvia Jablonski, CEO, Defiance. It’s on the Passive Income Investing channel.
I’ll have to check it out
I think it's a leap of faith to conclude the annual yield is based off of the few trading days the fund had this month. They could have used ROC to generate what they felt will be closer to the 60% estimated yield going forward. I would be shocked if next month it is much higher than the 60% yield target but well see.
hey, if it's continuously 60%, that's a win in my books
I’ll go with JEPY for a stable ultra high dividend income
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Stable? 🤔
@@dennykeaton9701 yep! I said what I said and I’m sticking to it 😆 what I really should’ve said was “volatile”
@@fabricadecuero4944 Yes, volatile is the best description. Still, it may pay off. I own a few shares
Good we need analysis on qqqy and jepy
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Keep in mind, I believe they are just returning capital to lure in more investors. There is no way they actually made that much in profits to pay out in such a short time, especially when the price went down. These are not like yieldmax which hold a synthetic position. They only hold the sold puts. So I suspect if the price is going down, then they didn't make much money (Of course S&P and NDX also went down, so that doesn't help).
Hope these do good, but I'm a little weary of the huge payout for 1st distribution. When TSLY and OARK had their first pay, it was after 1 1/2 months, for comparison.
If this is a ROC type of ETF then I’m out. Over time this will turn into another QYLD.
Yes, one does have to be careful of ponzi schemes. Bringing in new investors to pay off the old, and so on. Bernie Madoff furnished false trading information to substantiate the high returns.
As I posted elsewhere, Jay and Mick of Yieldmax are the fund managers. This is their speciality. They have been successful at it for many years. Defiance is the sponsor, not the fund managers.
Their money is made off of the expense ratio, so it doesn’t really matter how they lure us in, the more capital in the fund and performance the more they will make and the more we will make
I think they could stay in the black consistently yielding 36% trading daily on the index...
Not going to lie. This has me thinking of switching.
Lol it’s got me buying more for sure
I’m not switching but definitely adding. Their dividend dates are over a week apart too. Could throw TSLY div into QQQY then throw QQQY div into TSLY and rinse and repeat for bi-weekly compounding instead of monthly compounding. Over a year should make a big difference.
Why switching when you can add them to your portfolio? I don't know what you are switching them from but if you can add them to your portfolio, triple whammy! 🤑
Qqqy lost 7% of its stock value since launch 9/13. That’s an annual lose of 117%. TSLY is even worse!!! Losing 35% of its’ stock value
Whats the total return though? That is the only thing that matters.
JEPY down 18% in 9 months
Look at total return
NAV erosion is guaranteed and will be painful when they have to cover their puts, your yield on cost is going to be much less.
Dangerous game
Defiance etfs 1- 0 Yieldmax etfs 😅
Lol
Annual yields are stupid........
Monthly yields are smart