The Cognitive Tradeoff Hypothesis

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  • Опубликовано: 4 дек 2018
  • Humans are the only Earthlings with complex language. But at what cost was that ability acquired? In this episode, I visit Tetsuro Matsuzawa to learn about his influential cognitive tradeoff hypothesis.
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  • @EdMcStinko
    @EdMcStinko 4 года назад +4620

    Love how Ayumu couldnt play the game becuase he was trying to get laid

  • @superarv1507
    @superarv1507 3 года назад +5007

    I never thought I’d ever see a monke rage quit before

    • @mammi7699
      @mammi7699 2 года назад +23

      @@jakob6186 😂😂😂😂😂👌👌👍🏼

    • @kyle2.054
      @kyle2.054 2 года назад +21

      @@mammi7699 🥶🥶🥶🤯🤯🤯😂😂🤣🤣😂👌👌👌👍👍👍👍🤮

    • @Fragens
      @Fragens 2 года назад +31

      @@jakob6186 Except they're gigachads rage quitting

    • @Fragens
      @Fragens 2 года назад +20

      The real monkeys are min*craft players

    • @banditoincognito8950
      @banditoincognito8950 2 года назад +63

      You see monke rage quit every time you see another person rage quit. We are monke.

  • @carocardozo1507
    @carocardozo1507 Год назад +2103

    "No explanation to AI, no explanation to Michael" Loved it hahahah

    • @TactfulWaggle
      @TactfulWaggle Год назад +87

      I genuinely adore the way some researchers speak like, ones that don't have english as their first language, but also are very passionate and playful

    • @Alkis05
      @Alkis05 Год назад +6

      Just the way master Myagi would say.

    • @slishslash9202
      @slishslash9202 11 месяцев назад +15

      It sounds so simple but so perfectly worded

    • @Soulcrusher199
      @Soulcrusher199 9 месяцев назад +3

      Im sure its mainly because michael wanted to be treated like that. He gave all the signs to the professor so that he knew it is ok to do that. Love that about michael♥️

    • @bluelagoon5
      @bluelagoon5 7 месяцев назад

      Was just about to type this😄

  • @nettewilson853
    @nettewilson853 2 года назад +3732

    I love how they don't force the chimps to participate in research. Respectful and compassionate.

    • @joincoffee9383
      @joincoffee9383 Год назад +95

      Students could be treated this way too.

    • @JT-il3fe
      @JT-il3fe Год назад +27

      Don’t force them? They are locked up in a lab. What exactly is your definition of force?

    • @br-sb6vu
      @br-sb6vu Год назад +240

      @@JT-il3fe did you watch the video?

    • @user-sk3nf2vv4p
      @user-sk3nf2vv4p Год назад +6

      @@br-sb6vu no im sorry my bad 😔

    • @kiwenmanisuno
      @kiwenmanisuno Год назад +56

      @@JT-il3fe The lab treats them very well

  • @HanSolo__
    @HanSolo__ 3 года назад +4343

    "No explanation. Because no explanation to Ai... no explanation to Michael"

  • @Pierrot110194
    @Pierrot110194 3 года назад +6374

    "Look at monkeys!"
    - Dr. Matsuzawa, Distinguished Professor of Primatology

    • @therealmckoy6772
      @therealmckoy6772 3 года назад +199

      Who's first language isn't English

    • @Pierrot110194
      @Pierrot110194 3 года назад +1034

      @@therealmckoy6772 Neither is mine. In any case, I didn't intend to mock him, I just think it's awesome to see how easily amazed he still is by these creatures. For some people, the joy of a particular subject never fades and this is admirable.

    • @therealmckoy6772
      @therealmckoy6772 3 года назад +524

      @@Pierrot110194 ok please excuse my rudeness

    • @aliceliddell8413
      @aliceliddell8413 3 года назад +83

      @@therealmckoy6772 Whose*

    • @theinsanityispalpable7331
      @theinsanityispalpable7331 3 года назад +476

      @@therealmckoy6772 Props to you two for actually resolving a conversation like this politely over the internet. Gave me a lil smile :)

  • @45juushi
    @45juushi Год назад +879

    I absolutely loved Matsuzawa, he’s so passionate and you can tell how much he cares for those monkeys with just a glance

    • @rb2k197
      @rb2k197 Год назад +7

      Their great apes not monkey know the difference.

    • @dingus42
      @dingus42 Год назад +1

      @@rb2k197 Firstly there were all sorts of primates in that place, and secondly all apes are phyletically monkeys including humans

    • @RafaelMunizYT
      @RafaelMunizYT Год назад +10

      @@rb2k197 there are 60 different species of apes there, including monkeys so what's your point?

    • @rb2k197
      @rb2k197 Год назад +6

      @Rafael Muniz monkeys are not apes okay know the difference. Great apes are chimpanzee, bonobo, gorilla, orangutan, and humans! Yes humans are part of the great apes family.

    • @rb2k197
      @rb2k197 Год назад +3

      @@RafaelMunizYT People often confuse apes and monkeys. Although there are a number of differences between apes and monkeys (apes have a longer lifespan, larger body size, larger brain-to-body size ratio, and higher intelligence); the main difference is that monkeys have tails and apes do not have tails.

  • @necromancer0616
    @necromancer0616 2 года назад +418

    I noticed that in humans we seem to be able to at least see the first few numbers correctly every time. So in the wild and having spoken language it may have been all we really needed to survive. Because once a threat was identified it could be "shared" and avoided by other members of the community, thus maximizing survival.

    • @indiansmokar
      @indiansmokar 8 месяцев назад

      @@jebbait1669 do you mean if YOU grew up in a hostile enviroment because our ancestors did

    • @MouhibBayounes
      @MouhibBayounes 8 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@indiansmokarthey didn't. He meant they needed fast paced reactions like in animals. Analizing was the better alternative thats why our reaction is mediocre

    • @DioJeanBaptiste
      @DioJeanBaptiste 4 месяца назад +2

      how would a person who is a competitive speed memorizer do at this test??

    • @SpookyRipples9
      @SpookyRipples9 3 месяца назад

      ​@@DioJeanBaptiste Exactly 💯 4 yrs before I didn't know how to ride a bicycle but today I learned to ride it on one wheel & perform other stunts-parkour..

    • @SpookyRipples9
      @SpookyRipples9 3 месяца назад

      ​​@@jebbait1669 Grandmaster level players of sport Chess, can remember all positions of their own & opponents pawns-bishop in the middle of a game just in single glance..

  • @RealEngineering
    @RealEngineering 5 лет назад +2935

    "good boy"

    • @maxnewdf
      @maxnewdf 3 года назад +43

      I am very surprised this does not have any replies

    • @jonathana.4685
      @jonathana.4685 3 года назад +5

      Yes

    • @anonym3
      @anonym3 3 года назад +13

      Real Engineering!

    • @joshbarrett85
      @joshbarrett85 3 года назад +9

      Why is this top comment 🤣🤣

    • @nicness6828
      @nicness6828 3 года назад +5

      hello there

  • @sipelpoiss
    @sipelpoiss 3 года назад +4600

    The professor seemed visibly frustrated when Michael beat Ai, and then took noticeable pleasure when Michael failed at the harder task. As payback, Michael slapped subtitles on professor's talk.

  • @itsborbiegerl
    @itsborbiegerl Год назад +64

    I have been watching two or three of your videos every night for the past couple of weeks, replacing my scanning TikTok for hours. Thank-you for your contribution to my life. The way you explain your theories, and your theories themselves are beyond amazing and so easy to understand. I love how one thought or question leads straight to another, you have a fantastic way of educating the world on such interesting topics and opening up one’s mind to alternate theories. Thank-you Michael, thank-you VSauce.

    • @NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache
      @NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache Год назад +5

      While watching Vsauce is definitely a big positive, I think lessening tiktok viewing time was possibly the greater benefit here. I don't even watch that much youtube shorts, and yet I already feel my attention span shortening even if I only watch like, 3 in a row. Add to that the fact that shorts and tiktoks aren't always educational, and some are even straight up disinformation, lies, or propaganda, and shortform vertical powerpoints are easily the best sandpaper for doing a smooth brain speedrun, probably murders more neurons per second than injecting bleach and ammonia through your skull would honestly.

    • @CBeesy
      @CBeesy 6 дней назад +1

      Hey, Vsauce. Michael here.

    • @itsborbiegerl
      @itsborbiegerl 6 дней назад

      @@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache I have 23k followers so it’s not completely without benefit.

  • @samgray49
    @samgray49 Год назад +169

    This actually makes a lot of sense, there's been research that shows people who don't develop language skills because of abuse also don't develop abstract thought and abilities. I wonder how much of this comes from being verbal.

    • @PavelHenkin
      @PavelHenkin Месяц назад

      I think it's the whole thing. No language - you're an animal.

    • @TheInfectous
      @TheInfectous Месяц назад +7

      I think the selection bias is far too strong to draw any ideas to be honest. If kids are abused to the point of not learning a language, I would also think much more of their development should be stunted.

    • @WillyFisher412
      @WillyFisher412 Месяц назад +1

      It’s frustrating how many areas of science we simply aren’t able to know about because there’s no humane or even feasible way to do it.

    • @RobertoHernandez-gp3gu
      @RobertoHernandez-gp3gu 27 дней назад

      If you theory is correct. Then a baby chimpanze educated for the use of a very "simple sounds language" can develop a more advanced abstract way of thinking. There must be constructed with basic sounds that both us (humans) and chimpanze can vocalize. And must be in the short time period (childhood like) when young chimpanzees develop their skills to comunicate.
      First. The humans must assemble and learn the language, in order to teach it to baby chimpanzees.
      Define subjects, adjetives, verbs, actions.
      Then more complex terms like past or future, or abstract thinking.
      The chimps will teach this language to their desscendants?

    • @WillyFisher412
      @WillyFisher412 27 дней назад

      @@RobertoHernandez-gp3gu I think you as with many before you are severely underestimating the effort involved in achieving such dramatic results if even possible to artificially induce in the first place. Look at the case of someone with similar aspirations as yours: John Lilly, of dolphin house fame who wasted immense resources in achieving only very middling results. Although the results brought about in such cases as koko may lead some to conclude much more substantive results can be brought about with relatively little further effort, I believe and science thus far agrees with me that this is the limit of nonhuman understanding of language for the nonce, and hundreds if not thousands of generations of selective breeding and intensive labour would be required to broaden the linguistic capability of these animals, and there is simply no one with the funding willing to attempt such a seemingly financially unrewarding task, or at least to maintain it for more than a few decades as in Lilly’s case.

  • @dumwyteguy
    @dumwyteguy 4 года назад +2082

    "It takes a long time to memorize 9 numerals' positions!"
    "...and fail."
    *SAVAGE*

    • @iota-09
      @iota-09 4 года назад +66

      That man burned micheal so much in this episode, that i don't think if you pack together every time he's been burned on youtube you'd find someone any more savage to mjchael than him.

    • @user-sp3qk3mg9t
      @user-sp3qk3mg9t 4 года назад +2

      9

    • @saturn7404
      @saturn7404 3 года назад

      LMAOAOAA

    • @Furry_Lord
      @Furry_Lord 12 дней назад

      Most humans can do up until 14 digits and take up to an average of 5mins trying to memorise the location. Yet this chimpanzee can do 9 digits in 0.2seconds.

  • @raymetal7
    @raymetal7 4 года назад +2079

    Michael: I got the first three
    professor: good boi

    • @gangavlogs2522
      @gangavlogs2522 4 года назад +16

      Gxdjfgdjckrjfkfjjffdmvkfjd
      Bdgogjjkllvdyxzfddf go just uh oh vjchhjjjj

    • @aijhovlogs4072
      @aijhovlogs4072 4 года назад +7

      g

    • @kishoreytc
      @kishoreytc 4 года назад +17

      michael: dont good boy me!!

    • @KevinKickChannel
      @KevinKickChannel 3 года назад +34

      the professor mocked Michael so much here

    • @tutejszy
      @tutejszy 3 года назад +11

      @@KevinKickChannel professor also can't do it so don't care

  • @DMXXCorps
    @DMXXCorps 2 года назад +40

    around 10:00 they talk about how imagination is what separates us. I remember hearing that telling stories is what makes us human. it's cool that these match up like that

    • @cabs_
      @cabs_ Месяц назад

      People with aphantasia are chimps amongus. 😂

  • @frankiev116
    @frankiev116 2 года назад +39

    Now that I can finally comment on these videos (After watching the first 2 seasons) I can finally say how much I enjoy watching these. I have learned so much. It almost reminds me of Brain Games but with more psychological research involved which is just super fascinating.

  • @asmrbruh8070
    @asmrbruh8070 3 года назад +3990

    when that guy said “look at monkey”, it was one of the most wholesome things i’ve ever heard

  • @Eva-me9pv
    @Eva-me9pv 3 года назад +5685

    I love that they're doing animal experiments but with consent

    • @Volodimar
      @Volodimar 3 года назад +141

      Contrary to the Michael's experiments.

    • @boisvertblues
      @boisvertblues 3 года назад +25

      @@Volodimar what

    • @therealmckoy6772
      @therealmckoy6772 3 года назад +87

      @@Volodimar most of the time they know it's an experiment it's just with a twist

    • @morgan1213
      @morgan1213 3 года назад +207

      @@Volodimar they always sign up for it and hes talked to multiple ethics groups on some of his experiments (i.e. trolley problem)

    • @InsanePorcupine
      @InsanePorcupine 3 года назад +115

      @@Volodimar I would be honoured to be an involuntary member of one of michaels experiments.

  • @Lukusprime
    @Lukusprime 11 месяцев назад +95

    In my opinion, instead of memory and language being two different areas of the brain, and one had to shrink in order for the other to grow, I think it’s all memory, just allocated differently. Think about it; it takes a lot of memory to remember a language; sentence structure, all the different words and meanings, etc. It’s honestly incredible that I can still remember words I haven’t had to use in months or years (I honestly can’t tell you how long it’s been since I’ve used the word Troodon, but I still know it and what it means, that smart dinosaur that looked kinda like a big raptor). All this memory bust take up a ton of space, so that’s why we can’t remember things like Chimps can; we still have that powerful memory part of our brain, it’s just allocated to a different task. If ethics weren’t an issue, I think it’d be interesting to take a human baby, not teach it language but try to develop it’s memory skills with tests like the chimps get, and see what happens. Or vise-versa, since chimps don’t have the right vocal cords for speech, try to teach a chimp human-level sign language from birth, and if it learns that then see how it fares on the memory tests

    • @steggyweggy
      @steggyweggy 10 месяцев назад +5

      I was thinking the same thing about teaching kids these memory tests. I know that high level chess players (Hikaru Nakamura is the main one that comes to mind) are usually much better at these memory games than the average person

    • @soren17111990
      @soren17111990 9 месяцев назад +9

      Ahh yes. Im sure your "hypothesis" based solely on personal experience and watching a 30 minute video that likely massively simplifies the subject is as qualified as a researcher who spent 40 years studying. Your opinion isn't worth much at all.

    • @wizarddragon
      @wizarddragon 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@soren17111990 And you think your opinion is worth more?

    • @Biosquid239
      @Biosquid239 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@wizarddragon he thinks the researchers opinions are worth more than this random dude who likely has no major even related to this

    • @wizarddragon
      @wizarddragon 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@Biosquid239 huh?

  • @theitalianalien8477
    @theitalianalien8477 Год назад +14

    17:30
    Michael: "yeah, i got one right!"
    Chimp: "pathetic"

  • @timsullivan4566
    @timsullivan4566 5 лет назад +5409

    Tried a similar test - failed miserably. Tried again, but THIS time, rewarded myself with a piece of apple. Result? Perfect score ...but I forgot how to talk.

    • @Xturnia
      @Xturnia 5 лет назад +101

      Lol funny but how can you type 😂

    • @timsullivan4566
      @timsullivan4566 5 лет назад +330

      @@Xturnia Tim Sullivan CAN'T type any longer and has hired me as his primate secretary.

    • @tammy7087
      @tammy7087 5 лет назад +16

      Get your own You Tube channel. You'll learn how to talk again.

    • @ericsgreyhairwisdom5799
      @ericsgreyhairwisdom5799 5 лет назад +3

      lmao

    • @CoffeeTroll
      @CoffeeTroll 5 лет назад +3

      Nice one Tim! 😂😂😂

  • @TU-iLLMATiCK
    @TU-iLLMATiCK 5 лет назад +7056

    So basically don’t ever type any of your passwords around these mfs lmfao...

  • @wadurito
    @wadurito Год назад +12

    Thank you for making these available for free, they've been a joy to watch. I'll pay when I get my next paycheck. I've missed your content and I thought you had stopped making stuff like the old days, but the Mindfield series has proven me wrong.

  • @dustinairola4301
    @dustinairola4301 2 года назад +4

    I’ve thought about this so much over the years. Thank you for making this video.

  • @dennismangino8674
    @dennismangino8674 4 года назад +1238

    No one:
    Dr. Matsusawa: "Look at monkey :D"

    • @wardwalterwarend4717
      @wardwalterwarend4717 3 года назад +123

      Just imagine everyone being this enthusiastic at their job.
      Baker: "Look at bread :D"
      Bus driver: "Look at bus :D"
      Drug dealer: "Look at drugs :D"
      Police officer: "Look at drug dealer :D"
      President of the US: "look at nuke :D"
      I would like to live in that world.

    • @yort7002
      @yort7002 3 года назад +19

      Ward Walter Warend unfortuatly the big sad exists

    • @royalrice5191
      @royalrice5191 3 года назад +16

      Thank you monkye, very cool

    • @Jayboi-nm5zo
      @Jayboi-nm5zo 3 года назад +22

      @@wardwalterwarend4717 you mean USA: look at oil :D TIME TO INVADE

    • @user-tq7bf1zr7k
      @user-tq7bf1zr7k 3 года назад +2

      Monkeys: YHOUUUU HUHUHUHU HU

  • @Jmack7861
    @Jmack7861 4 года назад +3218

    I think the most impressive part of this is that they taught chimps to read 1-9 in numerical order

    • @neoshenlong
      @neoshenlong 4 года назад +306

      Yeah, I was thinking about that. How did that even happen?

    • @user-cs6hh5ej3f
      @user-cs6hh5ej3f 4 года назад +10

      Nah

    • @80ki68
      @80ki68 4 года назад +181

      @Kill Team Charlie
      Well I mean it is in Japan.

    • @GamingAiyu
      @GamingAiyu 4 года назад +75

      they said they were bad with language not numbers.

    • @Jmack7861
      @Jmack7861 4 года назад +155

      sofos Reasby a graphic representation of a concept is still reading a language

  • @emtube9298
    @emtube9298 Год назад +1

    Fantastic program! Turns on many lightbulbs in my head. Many thanks for presenting this data. And hats off to Kyoto University for supporting this essential research.

  • @MikeVanLinden82
    @MikeVanLinden82 Год назад +4

    I love this. I'm grateful for his passion and research. Thank you!

  • @dafyddil
    @dafyddil 3 года назад +566

    "No explanation to Ai, no explanation to Michael." The professor is ruthless and I love it.

  • @grandayy
    @grandayy 5 лет назад +25257

    In episode 2 Michael decides to live the remainder of his life as one with the chimpanzees

    • @Valvex_
      @Valvex_ 5 лет назад +390

      randomly scrolling through and see this, lol

    • @zainbro7
      @zainbro7 5 лет назад +77

      Grandayy second lol

    • @retro9946
      @retro9946 5 лет назад +171

      How did the Memelord himself get here?!!?

    • @sjukingen5332
      @sjukingen5332 5 лет назад +215

      And episode 3 Michael discovers he is a human when he meets Jane and they keep on living together with the chimpanzees

    • @cheesycheesecake1
      @cheesycheesecake1 5 лет назад +20

      Hahaha funny man

  • @AFK-47x
    @AFK-47x Год назад +3

    One of your best uploads. This is both exceptionally well researched as well as entertaining.

  • @grenzland397
    @grenzland397 Год назад +4

    Love the way of the researcher he seems cold when in normal conversations but the fire that burns when he does what he's best at was really nice to see

  • @Beanbag-qs4ju
    @Beanbag-qs4ju 3 года назад +2032

    I love how professor Matsuzawa always looks so happy to be there and always so fascinated buy the chimpanzees even after working with them for years

    • @ArcanineEspeon
      @ArcanineEspeon 3 года назад +29

      I'm so glad you put that in to words so I could realize it too.

    • @innosanto
      @innosanto 3 года назад +21

      he is also so fascinated in general by life and world. This is characteristic that many scientists have anyway as personalities and many times leads them to that profession choice.

    • @papawewa
      @papawewa 3 года назад

      talk about decades

    • @idkanameforthis
      @idkanameforthis 3 года назад

      SEND ME HATE ON MY VIDEOS>>

    • @yamatanoorochi3149
      @yamatanoorochi3149 2 года назад

      Now that's true love

  • @handsomezone6290
    @handsomezone6290 4 года назад +3724

    there's some interesting parallels here to the high functioning autistic savant piano player that can memorize 10 notes in a chord instantly, but he has difficulty communicating

    • @shady_dodo
      @shady_dodo 4 года назад +340

      that s an interesting point

    • @vloin
      @vloin 4 года назад +205

      I was going to say something along those lines...I would like to see this test on a musician. We are expected to play passages that we have never seen before all the time. And I feel like this test is very similar.

    • @handsomezone6290
      @handsomezone6290 4 года назад +114

      @@vloin Its not exactly the same for sight reading I think, because you get to look through the piece at least once to put it all into recall memory, and then you get to look at it again while playing it. It is similar, but the equivalent would be showing us a phrase of music for half a second then taking away the sheet music entirely and then asking us to play what we saw flawlessly

    • @vloin
      @vloin 4 года назад +40

      @@handsomezone6290 I agree...kinda.... But I feel that because the experience is similar. A musician might be better at this because they exercises sight to response more often... If that makes sense

    • @emergencyshotput8147
      @emergencyshotput8147 4 года назад +7

      @@vloin music also has similarities between prices. Themes and patterns persist.

  • @iliveinthekingdomofpain7692
    @iliveinthekingdomofpain7692 2 года назад +1

    Great series. Keep them coming. Sponsor this channel.

  • @8thApostle
    @8thApostle 2 года назад +1

    Dope show❗giving up some precise short term memory for imagination and future outlooks think is a good bargain
    Crazy how nature developed react and reactions that play out

  • @ProgenitorFoundry
    @ProgenitorFoundry 3 года назад +1198

    "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent" - Qui gon jinn

    • @ProgenitorFoundry
      @ProgenitorFoundry 3 года назад +4

      @karrie36 it's a quote

    • @ProgenitorFoundry
      @ProgenitorFoundry 3 года назад +31

      @karrie36 quote from star wars you triggered troglodyte moron

    • @feetsniffer1488
      @feetsniffer1488 3 года назад +17

      Yes, it does.

    • @iwansays
      @iwansays 3 года назад +9

      Define intelligence.

    • @ProgenitorFoundry
      @ProgenitorFoundry 3 года назад +5

      @@iwansays asking this unironically despite having proper context for example.
      Doesn't bode well for you

  • @littlebigcomrade
    @littlebigcomrade 4 года назад +9589

    I’m glad you made this free for us. Thank you Micheal, very cool.

    • @jjxrden
      @jjxrden 4 года назад +37

      You’re welcome

    • @UnderfellSansTheEdgySkeleton
      @UnderfellSansTheEdgySkeleton 4 года назад +69

      TheDirewolf 1234
      Yet comments aren’t available on the 1st & 2nd season.
      I’m too laY to check every episode of the two previous anime seasons though

    • @itsmaeday_2105
      @itsmaeday_2105 4 года назад +16

      Keep in mind it is only for the year

    • @teppopierune5520
      @teppopierune5520 4 года назад +26

      This one was free anyway

    • @Jtngetabettername
      @Jtngetabettername 4 года назад +4

      @@itsmaeday_2105 The year?

  • @ivoryquays6661
    @ivoryquays6661 2 года назад +3

    Dr Matsuzawa = Wonderful, inspirational human being.

  • @arupsan
    @arupsan 2 года назад

    This is something I was waiting long time
    Brilliant thanks Micheal

  • @watchingthebees
    @watchingthebees 2 года назад +1275

    Dr. Matsuzawa seems like the nicest guy! You can see just how much he’s passionate about what he does, and how he cares for these animals

    • @vidhaanagarwal1487
      @vidhaanagarwal1487 Год назад

      666th like

    • @chalkp
      @chalkp 8 месяцев назад +8

      22:04 with no context

    • @Jim-vq9yg
      @Jim-vq9yg 7 месяцев назад +2

      Weird, he gave me chills.

    • @JakesOnline
      @JakesOnline 7 месяцев назад +1

      I'm amazed they know the number sequence, let alone memorizing the position. What if it's not memory? Could it be persistence of vision? Instead of memorizing the positions, they're actually seeing a residual image?

    • @REDSTONENOOB.
      @REDSTONENOOB. 6 месяцев назад

      5:07

  • @wachyfanning
    @wachyfanning 4 года назад +1509

    If chimps have great short term memory giving them the ability to make quick decisions, I wonder what they'd be like playing videogames

    • @JackAssSquirrel
      @JackAssSquirrel 4 года назад +522

      2030: "chimpanzee team wins esports world cup for the 5th time"

    • @Phasma_Tacitus
      @Phasma_Tacitus 4 года назад +288

      Games aren't just about detecting patterns, there's planning/strategy and coordination to do complex tasks also involved, so chimps would have a hard time with all that. But if you gave them something more straightforward, like a guitar hero, maybe they'd be better than us.
      EDIT: Thinking about it now, I don't think even Guitar Hero would be playable by a chimp. In fast, one note at a time songs, they'd maybe fare well, but as complex combinations started they just wouldn't be able to follow as they lack finer coordination.

    • @wachyfanning
      @wachyfanning 4 года назад +95

      @@Phasma_Tacitus it depends on the game. There's a large variety

    • @888Grim
      @888Grim 4 года назад +74

      Conversely, I'd like to see how a pro-gamer like Serral or Maru would do on the chimp test.

    • @Avengedtenfold
      @Avengedtenfold 4 года назад +23

      Games also require long term pattern recognition and spatial awareness...not to mention that video games teach their mechanics through symbols a lot of the time.

  • @hydencp
    @hydencp Год назад +6

    I can’t believe it took this long to find this channel. I regularly have my mind blown

  • @haseebashraf4274
    @haseebashraf4274 4 месяца назад

    Excellent work by Michal😍We need another season of Mind Field😍

  • @GrantGryczan
    @GrantGryczan 5 лет назад +302

    The Japanese psychologist is so sweet...

    • @kurlykayla9013
      @kurlykayla9013 5 лет назад +24

      @@yugal.prakash Well, that's not true. But this particular person is.

    • @farenhite4329
      @farenhite4329 5 лет назад +1

      @@yugal.prakash weabooooooo

    • @soumyadey7387
      @soumyadey7387 5 лет назад

      @@_Shadows__ so? LMAO

    • @ryukin8385
      @ryukin8385 5 лет назад

      jk

    • @_Shadows__
      @_Shadows__ 5 лет назад

      @@soumyadey7387 so what, it was kinda funny lol

  • @ralphman8375
    @ralphman8375 5 лет назад +442

    key word: sharing
    lucky this is the free episode

    • @Agostoic
      @Agostoic 5 лет назад +10

      Great pun they did.

    • @samuelparry7877
      @samuelparry7877 5 лет назад +6

      Sounds like communist propaganda but ok

    • @SOTSoulja
      @SOTSoulja 5 лет назад +3

      I will never pay for RUclips

    • @DavesChaoticBrain
      @DavesChaoticBrain 5 лет назад +2

      @@SOTSoulja So you go to work every day for free? That's cool bro!

    • @brycejohnson7
      @brycejohnson7 5 лет назад +1

      @@SOTSoulja On the bright side they are making Premium videos ad supported soon so you won't need Premium to watch them.

  • @applepeel1662
    @applepeel1662 7 месяцев назад +3

    Mr Metsuzawa is an absolute genius and pioneer to discover such memory capability and create such an experiment
    Brilliant man!

  • @Tsamokie
    @Tsamokie 2 года назад +1

    Excellent research Mr. Tetsuro Matsuzawa.

  • @hellszhells
    @hellszhells 5 лет назад +1462

    So basically the answer to "why did I forget what I was gonna say?"
    Is "because you can speak"

    • @alintheplaya
      @alintheplaya 5 лет назад +34

      very smart perspective

    • @user-gz3qd3jn4r
      @user-gz3qd3jn4r 5 лет назад +11

      i think you don't understand the word 'hypothesis', so it seems like that trade didn't work that well.

    • @hellszhells
      @hellszhells 5 лет назад +32

      @@user-gz3qd3jn4r no one can make a joke if it doesn't line up with the exact way that physics and science works

    • @user-gz3qd3jn4r
      @user-gz3qd3jn4r 5 лет назад +7

      @@hellszhells r/woosh

    • @gerhardbritz1196
      @gerhardbritz1196 5 лет назад +5

      Nice paradox

  • @dreww8941
    @dreww8941 3 года назад +587

    My psychology class was canceled today, and we were all told to review an episode of mindfield instead. Nice

    • @Equa11ysurl
      @Equa11ysurl 3 года назад +17

      Awesome! Hope you're doing well.

    • @juuk3103
      @juuk3103 3 года назад +29

      Sounds like a fun class

    • @N0URii
      @N0URii 3 года назад +6

      wow

    • @Micah.Dalton
      @Micah.Dalton 3 года назад +5

      That’s a win!

    • @mackally7475
      @mackally7475 3 года назад +4

      Sounds good guys

  • @karaamundson3964
    @karaamundson3964 2 года назад +18

    This is fascinating. I *think* I've heard research that 9 digits, in order, is just about the human cognitive limit!
    I'm always interested in matters of the brain & mind, especially as regarding every branch and limb of the human family tree.
    I taught kids on the dyslexia spectrum for almost 2 decades. One of the programs was for students who could *read,* had age-appropriate or better *vocabulary* ...but could not recall the gestalt of the anything they tried to study for, enjoy, or learn.
    Our idea was to have them to look at pictures and, in a series of different descriptive levels, report what they saw. Then we'd do blind confirmations, then they could check, and so on.
    The next stage was for them to create a picture in their minds of each sentence we read ("What do those words make you picture?"), then rely on the images to answer questions.
    (In this way we developed the strength in each side of the brain so that--very roughly speaking--the whole brain was flowing through information quickly without running into snags & stresses like studying for two weeks and passing a test but immediately forgetting everything, or failing.)
    My point being--our students had pretty much all been born into a rich culture of language and while most may have had nerves around writing, talking was not usually an issue. The opposite of the chimps...
    However once they began "seeing pictures," their concept imagery just went up and up.
    I used to wonder, as I taught, about people on the savanna coming back to the group with reports of dangerous animals, game, storms...

    • @Laura-kl7vi
      @Laura-kl7vi 2 месяца назад +1

      digit span memory is different from this kind of test, which is of short term memory but as you can see isn't memorizing numbers but is spacial, it's about position.

  • @maxxicollins2108
    @maxxicollins2108 2 года назад +1

    This is really interesting. I need to read more of this

  • @mr.dudemeister7321
    @mr.dudemeister7321 3 года назад +2202

    I’m just as impressed that they know the order of the numbers. I imagine it was harder for them to figure that out than it is to memorize their positions on the screen

    • @innosanto
      @innosanto 3 года назад +15

      yeah

    • @robmatheson7435
      @robmatheson7435 3 года назад +217

      They start off by only having 2 numbers then 3 and so on

    • @dr.michaelj.stefano8113
      @dr.michaelj.stefano8113 3 года назад +12

      only they didn't figure that out, so the whole thing is not legitimate.

    • @tiagoxavier8945
      @tiagoxavier8945 3 года назад +55

      The hierarchical order of alphabet isn't meaningless at all... Just try to say it out in a random manner without missing or repeating any letter and you'll understand.

    • @tiagoxavier8945
      @tiagoxavier8945 3 года назад +14

      @@dr.michaelj.stefano8113 what?

  • @mistertheguy3073
    @mistertheguy3073 5 лет назад +7858

    Memory is sacrificed for language just as vsauces channel is sacrificed for youtube red

    • @birdmn9930
      @birdmn9930 5 лет назад +558

      The hardest choices require the strongest wills.

    • @UdayNatt
      @UdayNatt 5 лет назад +144

      VSauce: Tears? Really?
      RUclips Red: They're are not for DONG.
      Michaelanos: I'm sorry, Little One.

    • @owelhernandez2637
      @owelhernandez2637 5 лет назад +88

      Quality cost more.

    • @klankungen7794
      @klankungen7794 5 лет назад +16

      @@UdayNatt they are are?

    • @mz7315
      @mz7315 5 лет назад +7

      OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @midnightcat6116
    @midnightcat6116 Год назад +10

    Professor Matsuzawa is everything!! 🤗☺️💗🙌🪷 The banter between you both was so cute to watch 🫶

  • @mikecameron6667
    @mikecameron6667 2 года назад

    Keep up the great work!

  • @jorgec98
    @jorgec98 4 года назад +853

    I love how after decades of working with chimpanzees, he still does it with enthusiasm and even excitement.

  • @jakevs.theworld2987
    @jakevs.theworld2987 5 лет назад +875

    The only reason I would ever get RUclips Red is to watch this show

    • @Sokyyyy
      @Sokyyyy 5 лет назад +3

      It is not avalible in my country and I dont know what to do now... :(

    • @nicurasjackson2641
      @nicurasjackson2641 5 лет назад +7

      @@Sokyyyy get a vpn

    • @DarkMice5529
      @DarkMice5529 5 лет назад +1

      Well it was a combination of Mind Field & Cobra Kai that did it for me!
      Also, I put it on my wife’s credit card!
      2 birds, wife’s stone!

    • @necromancer7712
      @necromancer7712 5 лет назад

      @@Sokyyyy there are free websites, downloading all Red Premium videos. Mostly Russian websites. Google it.

    • @adamsabra2683
      @adamsabra2683 5 лет назад +2

      there is a website called rulu u can use it to watch all mind field episodes for free :p thank me later

  • @LokwandzaZubuko
    @LokwandzaZubuko Год назад

    Wow, your channel is amazing!!

  • @noordinaryjoe1414
    @noordinaryjoe1414 2 года назад

    Amazing!! Best thing on RUclips!

  • @sneaks9150
    @sneaks9150 3 года назад +453

    I really enjoy that the chimps participate voluntarily, and may enter or leave the facility as they wish.

    • @sprig3432
      @sprig3432 2 года назад +6

      What about Kids who go to school, is this voluntarily for them or adults who go to work? Jesus what a snowflake

    • @bradsully6620
      @bradsully6620 2 года назад +9

      @@sprig3432 yes, yes that is voluntary.

    • @emiliomanzo3740
      @emiliomanzo3740 2 года назад +8

      @@sprig3432 yes you could go live in the rainforest, but you don’t you stay here and chose to go to work or school instead

    • @ShihTzuPosting
      @ShihTzuPosting 2 года назад +1

      @@sprig3432 People who complain about snow flakes are projecting because they can't handle the cold truth

    • @sneaks9150
      @sneaks9150 2 года назад +2

      @@sprig3432 Chimps live in the wild and live free in their ecosystems. A child going to school or an adult going to work is part of our "ecosystem" which we designed ourselves, it is called society. Weird that one comment about a viewer appreciating conservation of endangered animals triggers you so much, you goddamn snowflake lmao.

  • @LoydAvenheart
    @LoydAvenheart 5 лет назад +124

    Tetsuro Matsuzawa is the best, I love how he randomly called Micheal a good boy when he got it right.

    • @mickmickymick6927
      @mickmickymick6927 5 лет назад +2

      It's probably not such a weird thing to say in Japanese.

    • @fullc0de
      @fullc0de 5 лет назад +2

      I love it when he hugged the chimp towards the end!

  • @reynaavilaramirez-arellano8468
    @reynaavilaramirez-arellano8468 7 месяцев назад

    This series is making my lil psychology obsessed heart so happy

  • @tiggercampbell6198
    @tiggercampbell6198 2 года назад +1

    i loved this content..more like this please

  • @IronWarrior4Ever
    @IronWarrior4Ever 4 года назад +325

    Looks like Michael is getting kicked out of the trees 250k years after his ancestors.

  • @ProdigyGirlGaming
    @ProdigyGirlGaming 5 лет назад +13382

    I’m sad Vsauce is all RUclips Premium now 😔

    • @bitterbal_
      @bitterbal_ 5 лет назад +1250

      Same :/ it was such a good channel

    • @NeoFlorian1
      @NeoFlorian1 5 лет назад +1026

      youtube is cancelling premium so...

    • @ole1925
      @ole1925 5 лет назад +444

      TheGamingCreeper295 it is? Finally!!!

    • @theholypupper5637
      @theholypupper5637 5 лет назад +433

      This is so sad alexa play vsauce theme

    • @CaMallmann
      @CaMallmann 5 лет назад +271

      @@BrokenClock_ Not really. They have way less effort there, are way less interesting and just plain silly sometimes

  • @rashad124
    @rashad124 2 года назад

    This might be my favorite episode yet

  • @josephz9006
    @josephz9006 2 года назад +1

    The end was very beautiful made me cry they the Dr and monkey been working together for so many years. G
    Grew old together.

  • @ASHl33164
    @ASHl33164 3 года назад +893

    I love how the professor says, “You took a long long time, many seconds.”
    Michael: “it takes a long time to remember nine digits”
    Professor: “and fail”
    Professor: “Good boy”

    • @juliannasolis9019
      @juliannasolis9019 3 года назад +57

      he was talking mad shit

    • @lok777
      @lok777 2 года назад +42

      @@robertimmanuel577 I think breaking someone's balls is common across all cultures.

    • @archankumarmyana40
      @archankumarmyana40 2 года назад +30

      Like a typical Asian parent 😂

    • @mariapaul8165
      @mariapaul8165 2 года назад +5

      @@archankumarmyana40 Exactly🤣🤣

    • @HelloThere.....
      @HelloThere..... 2 года назад

      @@robertimmanuel577 That doesn't really make it any better or worse.

  • @cucciolino94
    @cucciolino94 3 года назад +304

    Distinguished professor at the primate advanced study institute and his first quote you decided to edit in was: "look at monkeyysss". I love you

  • @JM-zg2jg
    @JM-zg2jg Год назад +1

    I wish there were a way to scan individuals brains, and be able to differentiate between the different processing areas to see their scale and position.
    Imagine how cool it would be to be able to essentially get the hardware specs on your own brain.
    It would really help a lot of us that struggle to define our strengths and weaknesses, and so have difficulty overcoming or working around them.

  • @NebMunb
    @NebMunb Год назад +2

    I'm late to this video, but the mere fact we have to know this information is crazy. It's the itch you can never get rid of, the inquiries the human mind makes.

  • @britishfrenchacademy5005
    @britishfrenchacademy5005 4 года назад +710

    15:58
    Ayumu's new girl: Aren't you participating in the Professor's test today?
    Ayumu: Nah! Screw that test. I prefer spending time with you.
    Ayumu's new girl: Awww

    • @jumbledfox2098
      @jumbledfox2098 3 года назад +8

      I thought you were a british french school XD

    • @mostafazahid1710
      @mostafazahid1710 3 года назад +28

      @Daniel Cheng En Kee Being romantic makes you a simp?

    • @ladyalicent705
      @ladyalicent705 3 года назад +4

      Mostafa Zahid Apparently.

    • @wefbm
      @wefbm 3 года назад +51

      @Daniel Cheng En Kee chimp*

    • @peewee130946
      @peewee130946 3 года назад +1

      Daniel Cheng En Kee nah that man out here getting laid unlike you lol

  • @masterq9761
    @masterq9761 5 лет назад +1595

    Michael: Ai, you having fun?
    Ai: *punches wall*

  • @dex1lsp
    @dex1lsp 11 месяцев назад

    Aww, the end is so adorable and sweet. 🖤

  • @corneliusthecrowtamer1937
    @corneliusthecrowtamer1937 Год назад +10

    Wait so Ayumu was essentially trained from a young age. Are you telling me it's impossible for a Human to get that fast at 9 numbers with a lot of practice and incentive? Considering what other amazing skills people are capable of learning??

    • @thine.
      @thine. Год назад

      maybe but it's unethical to force a child to do that, thats why no one experiments on humans like that

    • @woltimes2
      @woltimes2 Год назад

      damn this is a good ass point actually😭😭 unless theres a flaw in ur logic im not seeing

    • @Akira-kd6us
      @Akira-kd6us 7 месяцев назад

      Impossible unless you can do experiments on a baby and completely redefine the thought process a human should develop, make it so that the thought process of that child is purely by visual and pattern recognition instead of teaching abstract things such as definition of words and the concept of numbers, even then I think the chances are low. Definitely impossible to acquire this capability if the person is over the age when they start to develop thoughts, you cannot rewire your brain so drastically.
      If this sort of thing is possible through practice exclusively, then there should be more people with insane reaction speed and countless people with photographic memory but that isn't the case at all.

  • @doc-holliday-
    @doc-holliday- 5 лет назад +1415

    Damn chimps are so much like us... they even rage quit games.

    • @CP2468
      @CP2468 5 лет назад +18

      😂😂

    • @enjoywhoyouarre4029
      @enjoywhoyouarre4029 4 года назад +22

      You know else what? they are so jelouse if they feel the are not wining on game the can scream at you😂😂😂😂

    • @tyran5550
      @tyran5550 4 года назад +9

      @@ilincaz1934 not really we have a common ancester so we are just similar to each other

    • @Phobos_Anomaly
      @Phobos_Anomaly 4 года назад +2

      @@ilincaz1934 The distinction is actually meaningless.

    • @painisvergina3693
      @painisvergina3693 4 года назад +9

      Yes they are, we share 99% dna with each other. Evolution is fact, we were not made by some great sky wizard who grants wishes

  • @caylonsh
    @caylonsh 4 года назад +562

    22:05 how this video ends with the prof's chimp voice is so amazing

    • @cheeloochee5291
      @cheeloochee5291 4 года назад +32

      hoo hoo hoO hOO HOO *HOOOUUWWAAAAAWWWW*

    • @sluchx2692
      @sluchx2692 4 года назад +3

      0:29 what are they doing

    • @matthewhollier
      @matthewhollier 4 года назад +3

      Sluch x26
      Just a little piggyback ride

    • @Spiritual_AJ01
      @Spiritual_AJ01 3 года назад +2

      Sluch x26 just a chimp carrying a baby

    • @sluchx2692
      @sluchx2692 3 года назад +1

      Mayby they do

  • @kovenmaitreya7184
    @kovenmaitreya7184 2 года назад +2

    I think I know where this video is going. I've learned that the secret to speedreading is the elimination of subvocalization, but it's engrained in us from an early age. This task requires recognizing numbers purely visually which becomes harder after a lifetime of sounding out words and numbers in your mind.

  • @Trp44
    @Trp44 2 года назад

    Shocking that you continue to excel…so well🐦🐦🐦

  • @sociallyineptspider-man2366
    @sociallyineptspider-man2366 4 года назад +478

    "LOOK PAPA I GOT THE FIRST THREE! "
    🙄" good boi"

  • @amouramarie
    @amouramarie 3 года назад +434

    We were not so strong, so we got kicked out from the forest.
    1 million years later: Be careful who you make fun of in middle school.

    • @iamlogiebear
      @iamlogiebear 3 года назад +40

      Deforestation makes so much sense now..

    • @kacperwoch4368
      @kacperwoch4368 3 года назад +6

      @@iamlogiebear The forrest goes brrr

    • @diego032912
      @diego032912 3 года назад +9

      @@iamlogiebear I think all of us as Homo sapiens have a shared trauma to trees, and in some people it develops as a rare form of Stockholm Syndrome causing rash affection to said trees. Very rash affection.

    • @DlcEnergy
      @DlcEnergy 3 года назад +4

      Alpha monkeys: huh! he can talk! he can talk! he can talk! he can talk!
      Beta monkeys: i can siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!
      Alpha monkeys: oooh ooh ah ah ah!!
      Beta monkeys: i can swiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing! **Tarzan noises**

    • @ohmyblindman
      @ohmyblindman 3 года назад

      It's a small step from "sharing" to domination.

  • @clusterbwithkevindirmann4503
    @clusterbwithkevindirmann4503 2 года назад

    Awesome content!

  • @danielbonnett1907
    @danielbonnett1907 2 года назад

    Verr Coo I’m always skeptical but you nerd-nailed it

  • @VarunGupta3009
    @VarunGupta3009 2 года назад +806

    Also that fact that internally, we still vocalise stuff that we read, or even glance, that makes us slower. We don't just photographically remember where the numbers are, instead, we count them orally in the head and dart our eyes around frantically until we find them all, in order.

    • @spectralanalysis
      @spectralanalysis 2 года назад +22

      We also have what's called a visual sketchpad, so that's one way we can group disparate visual information in a specific order

    • @domagojgalekovic8507
      @domagojgalekovic8507 2 года назад +66

      I'd be willing to bet good money that a "feral" human could outpace the chimp. Every time we see something we formulate a concept which we may vocalise. If we didn't "program" ourselves to do that from birth, we would most likely work just as fast as the chimps in the video. That's my theory at least, but I don't think you can legally raise a "feral human".

    • @carmadme
      @carmadme Год назад +24

      Ohhh I wonder how those people with no internal monologue or vision would do in this test

    • @joincoffee9383
      @joincoffee9383 Год назад +4

      It’s partly due to the difference of using different neuropathways , chimps direct, humans detour.

    • @joincoffee9383
      @joincoffee9383 Год назад +4

      I noticed some child at age 1-2, has amazing visual observation capacity, way superior than regular adults

  • @digantabarman3153
    @digantabarman3153 5 лет назад +411

    No instructions to aai so no instructions to Michel. Boss

    • @Samji3877
      @Samji3877 5 лет назад +11

      Yeah but years of training for the chimp and 0 for Michael - unfair advantage

    • @digantabarman3153
      @digantabarman3153 5 лет назад +10

      Bosses are always partial 😂

    • @jasondashney
      @jasondashney 3 года назад +2

      @@Samji3877 I would love to see another video if Michael practice for 15 minutes a day for the last couple years.

    • @Samji3877
      @Samji3877 3 года назад

      @@jasondashney that would be brilliant

    • @jasondashney
      @jasondashney 3 года назад +2

      @@Samji3877 I'd also like to see them bring in another chimp is it's prime and teach them the game and once they understand the game, see if they can do it right away or if they also have a learning curve.

  • @MB-ln4yx
    @MB-ln4yx 2 года назад

    Alright, right from the start I’m hooked. That opening is Soo good. lol

  • @alexandreleal7911
    @alexandreleal7911 2 года назад

    It's amazing to understand what you said... The first time I had watched it and I didn't understand it very well. Thanks

  • @niwayanprimastuti579
    @niwayanprimastuti579 5 лет назад +156

    Michael finally remembered his main account password.

  • @AkshayKumarX
    @AkshayKumarX 5 лет назад +1847

    I miss the regular videos so much.

  • @farhansadik5423
    @farhansadik5423 6 месяцев назад +3

    Surviving in the wild, i think that (as professor matsuzawa said) imagination was our most powerful weapon. We could suppose glance at some random bush, and even if we can't exactly know how many enemies there are, we could estimate! It doesn't have to precise, but it still has a good use. I loved this video very much. I also think knowing and preserving other species, not just chimpanzees, is key to realizing what morality, and human consciousness is. Thanks michael!

  • @ahcatmeow3956
    @ahcatmeow3956 2 года назад

    Very meaningful and educational documentary.

  • @natsunoneko
    @natsunoneko 3 года назад +987

    From here forth, I choose to believe my terrible working memory can be attributed to my fairly decent language-related skills. Thanks, Michael, for helping me feel better about myself

  • @huacatluong
    @huacatluong 5 лет назад +269

    The Japanese man's voice is so calm, just like the old wise character in cartoon

  • @antonin_nab0r
    @antonin_nab0r Год назад

    This is so cool! Thanks

  • @sumedhyadav6572
    @sumedhyadav6572 Год назад

    The study is full of valence for humans. Keep going.

  • @vermusl6316
    @vermusl6316 5 лет назад +269

    Oh look he remember the channel password

  • @meatsupplies5282
    @meatsupplies5282 5 лет назад +934

    So he didn’t forget his youtube password..

    • @lizziesangi1602
      @lizziesangi1602 5 лет назад +3

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 smartest analogy ever.

    • @aapadd
      @aapadd 5 лет назад +53

      @@lizziesangi1602 do you know what an analogy is

    • @zakidaddy
      @zakidaddy 5 лет назад +8

      Nah he just realized that the "Forget your password?" button existed

    • @DarrenC_1024
      @DarrenC_1024 5 лет назад +15

      @@aapadd The science of studying anal?

    • @ghostie5580
      @ghostie5580 5 лет назад

      webbit1024
      lol

  • @ammar6144
    @ammar6144 2 года назад

    Thank you for everything ❤️

  • @billflunkendorf
    @billflunkendorf Год назад

    I think it makes sense, we can write and talk and look up whatever we need to remember, but for a creature that lives in the wild who can write stuff down or look stuff up, it would definitely be beneficial to have photographic memory, the other part makes sense too because memory for complex language would take up a lot of space on its own, kinda like the same thing in a way