Little known trivia. There IS another species of cat that lives socially. Southeast Asian water cats (who live by catching fish, so kinda different that way too) will live in social groups of up to dozens. They still solo hunt for their fish, but they live in a big colony. Since they make a pretty easy living, basically dropping off a tree branch to claw-snag a fish at will, they can afford to share a riverbank and just hang out together most of the time.
My old house cat was male, selectively social, and highly intelligent. I taught him to open cabinets, such that we had to tie cabinets closed with a string, so I taught him to untie the string, so we double knotted, and I taught him to untie that as well. He knew the door knob would open a door, and he'd reach for it and even try to turn it, but he had no opposable thumbs. He befriended a male neighbor kitten and they were friends for the rest of their lives, often napping together in each others yards, visiting in houses and sharing food, and defending against dogs and other cats. Mh cat also used to mercillessly tease his frienc by leaving the house first after a shared meal to go hide behind some bushes, pounce on his buddy, scare the crap out of him, and play-chase him to a tree near the edge of his territory, which my cat ran up all crazy eared and crazy eyed and yeowled as his buddy ran up the sidewalk back to his house. They never ever attacked each other to draw blood, just to startle for their own amusement. They sometimes even groomed each other, though rare. The other can was friendly but really not that bright. In a light rain, my cat would sit or roost in a hole or tunnel through the row of hedges and remain dry. His buddy tried to mimmic this behavior on a neaby hedge tunnel, but sat with his head only in the dry zone, leaving his shoulders back drenched, which seemed to infinitely confuse the poor little guy, much to my cat's amusement, which you could see by his facial expressions, slow eye blink patterns, staring, and pretending not to be staring, etc.
I wholeheartedly agree with this post, and honestly, it’s one of the most delightful testaments to feline intelligence and their quirky social dynamics I’ve come across. Your cat sounds like an absolute legend-a combination of cunning, loyalty, and pure mischief that exemplifies why cats are so fascinating to share our lives with. First off, the sheer intelligence of your cat is mind-blowing. Teaching a cat to open cabinets is impressive enough, but then to escalate the challenge with knots and have your cat learn to untie those as well? That’s next-level brilliance. It’s like you had your own personal feline escape artist-Houdini with whiskers. And the part about him reaching for doorknobs despite his anatomical limitations? That’s the hallmark of a thinker who won’t let biology stop him from dreaming big. If he had opposable thumbs, I imagine he’d have written a memoir or learned to drive. The friendship between your cat and the neighbor kitten is another gem in this story. It’s such a rare thing to see genuine inter-cat friendships blossom, and your two clearly had a bond that transcended the usual territorial squabbles. The image of them napping together in each other’s yards or sharing food is heartwarming enough to melt even the most stoic of hearts. Their teamwork in fending off potential threats like dogs and other cats just solidifies that theirs was a bond built on mutual respect and camaraderie. And then there’s your cat’s sense of humor. Oh, the pouncing-from-bushes scenario is absolutely priceless. That kind of playful teasing, where he deliberately startled his buddy just to chase him up a tree, screams big brother energy. It’s the kind of behavior that makes you realize animals can have a sense of humor too-something so many people underestimate. Your cat’s theatrics after the chase, with the crazy eyes and dramatic yeowling? That’s straight out of a feline comedy act. Meanwhile, his buddy, endearingly clueless but ever-trusting, just played along. It’s this balance of intelligence and good-natured simplicity that made their dynamic so perfect. Speaking of simplicity, the rain story had me chuckling out loud. Your cat sitting smugly in the hedge tunnel, staying perfectly dry, while his poor buddy only managed to cover his head, is pure comedy gold. The contrast between their levels of understanding-and your cat’s subtle, smug amusement-is just so cat. They’re masters of subtlety and nonchalance, and your cat sounds like he had it down to an art form. All in all, your post captures the essence of what makes cats so endlessly fascinating: their intelligence, their individuality, their ability to form meaningful relationships, and, above all, their knack for mischief. Your old house cat wasn’t just a pet-he was a personality, a friend, and an entertainer, all rolled into one. I can’t help but admire him and his buddy for the wonderful, complex, and sometimes hilarious lives they led.
I do not trust my cat enough to teach him to open cabinets lol. Yours sounds like a really special cat!! My cat has been an indoor cat all his life because we always lived in the city, but we just moved to the countryside and he now gets supervised outside time every day. Its unbelievable to see his instincts kick in as he surveys his kingdom and slowly expands his territory every day. We don't let him get too far but the he cannot resist the call of the wild. He yowls at the stray/outdoor cats through the window screens, and now begs to go outside all day every day. We joke that these other cats are his friends but I think he might actually want to fight them. He is tough and huge and tolerates our cattle dog harassing him constantly. And he has been catching soooo many mice in our house for us. He's (mostly) a good boy.
😂😂😂 I had a cat that used to play hide and seek that way. He was an 11 pound chubby black and white cow kitty. But if his head was hiding under something we had to pretend like we couldn't see him.
One thing I'd like to say is that often times scientists for whatever reason conflate PSI which is a measure of bite pressure with bite "force" to the general public. Forces and pressures are different things, forces are measured in units like newtons, whereas pressure is some force over some area in this instance being measured in pounds per square inch. So an animal with a weak bite can have a larger psi due to its tooth or teeth having a smaller area of contact and vice versa. That being said, yes tigers and lions have pretty much the same bite force but hyenas don't. They have a bite force less than half of that. There's a paper called "bite club" that elaborates this further. The measurements of psi are typically done through transducers or other measuring equipments which can give varying results for various reasons, such as the animal not biting as hard as it can or biting at different angles which would change the area of contact. So the paper actually measures the bite "force" using the literal anatomy of the animals. And it shows that lions and tigers bite more than 2x the force of a typical hyena. Another interesting thing to note is whether or not the animal is biting harder for its size. This is measured through bfq or the bite force quotient and it shows that hyeanas actually do bite as hard as lions and tigers relative to their size, so though they have a weaker bite overall they actually bite as hard as lions and tigers for their size. In other words big cats and hyeanas have the same bite force at the same size. Lions and such have a bigger bite only cause they're bigger in size. For further understanding you can check out Professor Steve Wroe's channel "real paleontology" where he explains why bite forces change asymmetrically relative to size, a phenomenon called isometry (basically due to the square cube law) and he also debunks the hyena's bone crushing bite myth making it a bigger biter than lions. He shows that it's actually the hyenas dentition that allows them to concentrate the bite on their carnassials to break bones. It's not that lions can't, it's just that lions have thinner blade like carnassials that'd break if they were to do so. Their carnassials are that way because they use suffocating bites to subdue prey to spread out that huge force over the windpipe or spine of the prey to suffocate them. He's also one of the authors of the said "bite club" paper.
As a Felidae expert, bite force is measured in TWO places, front and back. Lions have a better bite force in the back tigers have a better BF in front. Paws: lion paws are longer than a tiger just not as wide..10W vs 12 reg. Tigers are genetically the closest to our kitties. Google pushes tiger propaganda so be careful. Tigers are not bigger than lions. SOME tigers can grow bigger in captivity. Lions beat tigers 8-10. Lions are also the smartest of the big cats. Hyenas are smarter than tigers. Mountain lions hold 2 world records and my spirit animal.
A good colleague of mine went for a safari in Tanzania and told me a lion's roar is one of the most powerful and frightening sounds you'll ever hear he really enjoyed his trip the lion roar made his trip memorable
We have four cats (3 girls 1 boy) at our flat and about 3 neighbourhood cats have the property within their territory line and so cross over, a lot. We were stressed about our cats getting along initially, but it is like watching a little pack of lions; they mostly tolerate each other, sometimes play, like to sleep near each other, eat in a little group, and overall don't care; but if another cat comes over or one of our ones starts meowing ALL of them race outside to see and chase off the 'intruder.' It's stupidly cute, it's like a mini documentary in my backyard 😅
Yes they do, but mainly it's a mother teaching her grown cubs, or brothers creating small groups. Most grown cheetahs are solitary, that's why they aren't considered social cats. In addition to this, they don't tend to "cooperate" so much as mob the same prey animals (the difference between these hunting styles is highlighted in this video).
Cheetahs aren't big Cats, but you are right it's actually quite common for Cheetahs to form groups, however these are mostly males that does this. House Cats also commonly form groups, they hunt together and defend each other against threats such as other groups of Cats and also Dogs, this is the reason why they fit in so well with people, and will even defend their humans against a threat, putting their own life on the line.
@@dawoodwilliams3652You’re Incorrect. Cheetah are considered big cats. The other person is right - they are not part of Panthera, but they are still categorized as big cats.
One complaint. And it's not just you, we people and other science reporters, do this all the time. Why do we doubt conscious intelligence in other creatures?! Why do we assume animals can't think, feel, ponder, calculate, analyze and communicate?! Of course they can and do! We are all made of the same stuff, have brains that's function the same way. We might have vastly different ways of communicating, and yes, perhaps ours in more intricate and complex, but that doesn't meant that they don't do these things at all. I really enjoy your channel and find the videos informative and very well done, for the record. I just don't understand why we doubt animals have a thought process of some sort.
Because assuming they do think similar to us is anthropomorphizing animals. As much as i also believe that animals are capable to higher thinking, we simply dont know and saying otherwise is just unscientific. Sure me and you may say that cats think and plan like us, but from a documentary like this we should expect better and not just go with what they feel.
Completely un-scientific opinion here, but I would've thought that anyone with a "fur-baby" would confirm that felines and canines can think and plan. Mine certainly could.
@@deltaeins1580Admitting that animals are capable of higher cognition - which can be clearly deduced from their actions - isn't "anthropomorphising" animals unless one foolishly and naively reserved such attributes to humans alone. There's a vast difference between assigning animals attributes based upon wishful thinking and admitting that our view of what intelligence is or isn't is extremely limited by it's anthropocentrism. We now know neither culture nor language are exclusive to humans (or even primates) yet some people will still claim that animals have no higher cognition beyond abilities connected to instinct and survival.
Idk… I think the leopard might be the scariest to me. If you look up facts up leopards they are extremely strong and successful hunters. I saw a leopard kill a warthog right in front of me on a safari in Africa and it was one of the craziest things over ever seen. It was truly shocking how powerful they are. Once it killed the warthog it jumped up into the tree with the warthog in its mouth
@@unconscious1076 not really, an single male lion isn't going to win against 6-20 130lb grey wolves, no matter how alpha, although an pride of lions(6-12) would absolutely demolish an super pack of wolfs(100), since lions are double the size of wolves.
@@stefthorman8548a single male lion can defeat 10 to 15 wolves. It would need like 20 wolves or more to defeat the lion, and they would lose most of their members, and many would be severely injured for life, which they won’t risk, as they would realise lions don’t mess around like bears, and are a lot faster, more agile, and have razor sharp claws that are sharper and more deadly than a bears claws, and can be used to tear any opponent
The fact that lions not going for the neck supposedly proves that the mane is not for defensive purposes reminds me a lot of this WW2 story where they armored parts of aircraft that had the most holes in them. Survivorship bias and all. How do they know lions are not going for the mane because it is so effective at defense?
In our area of midwest America we have been seeing both bears and cougars returning to their old ranges. I haven't yet come across either one personally yet, but even though I'm apprehensive of both i really dont want to run across a cougar. Ive seen the result of a cougar kill on our farm and they are quite impressive.
Lions are not only symbols of strength in the animal kingdom, but also one of the species with exceptional intelligence. This raises an interesting question: What has driven lions to develop such complex intellectual abilities, and what can we learn from this?
Yeah lions are actually so so majestic no wonder why even in place like persia india Lions were imperial symbols eventhough tigers are way more wide spread here
Evolution is a fairy tale - all we observe came from nothing and if we have enough time, life will arise and assemble into incredible complex creatures. Give honour where honour is due - designed by Jesus!
@@unconscious1076true. As an Indian, I can confirm you are saying facts. Despite tigers being way more numerous here even in the past, and in more areas, the Indian emperors and kings saw the lion in a greater position, giving it the legendary title king of the beasts, and the lion being the emblem of the 2300 year old Indian mauryan empire
I think the world is suffering from a lack of lions. People would be far less comfortable if a lion could possibly jump out of the bushes on their morning jog. That would be a good thing IMHO.
(16:02) ...in spite of human piousness on being self aware, more animals than not have a sense of self, and yes, lions in attack formations are highly aware of who goes where in order to be successful in that "30%" kill-pie shown at (15:47)...if they were not, that kill-pie would be all over the place in results, resulting in a false mean average statistical number....we are all children of different species....have some respect....
I have to wonder if the man eating lions were also drawn to a large group of relatively unprotected people. I'm guessing native people lived in more protective, permanent structures or had stockades or some such.
That chart is interesting. Brown bears have even less of those fast twitch muscle fiber than a sedentary man apparently, however they can still run at nearly double the speed. The most interesting part though is that they can run for very long time periods, so perhaps it’s because they have much more slow twitch muscle fibers built for endurance.
Fantastic work as usual! I've probably watched 100+ videos about lions and this is certainly among the top 5 I've ever seen. I haven't seen any of these videos before, where did you source these? They are VERY good quality videos. Keep up the great work.
Have to admit as someone who regularly talks with friends across the world, it's both refreshing and impressive hearing an American say the word "Niche" correctly
you depicted cave lions being larger than American lions, however the census in the scientific community is that American lions were likely the largest true cat to ever live
@nathana.m.1622 you are correct. They are in the same family as mongooses and fossa. Still they are feliforma. Funny fact that makes hyenas even more scary is that the females are hung 🤣
It seems to me that for the most part, the most successful animals across Africa live in groups. It tracks that with all of the pressures in place challenging survival that even cats would go for the group dynamic. Furthermore, when you think about how humans evolved, we were living in groups before we even came out of the trees. However, when meat became a part of our diet our brains began to grow. So when cats bring animals that already eat meat transition into a group lifestyle it makes sense that they would also get smarter as a result. It's kinda scary but evolution is kinda scary.
Tigers are way scarier, cause they are solitary typically and wayyyy less group-social. The increased intelligence lions have, and their social behaviours, make them relatable and understandable - and under really specific circumstances, quit pleasant. Like us, if you remove the struggle to survive, they can be quite affectionate. It’s also worth noting that cheetahs too have been observed having similar family structures. If you take them out of the wild, you will see a lot of behaviours recognized in humans. Tigers don’t have this. It’s the diff between a well-socialized feral and a non-socialized one: if you take both out of the “survival” situation, one will domesticate much easier than the other.
Tigers are not scary lol bro in Nepal India people do safari walks in national park all the time and According to Guides there is zero threat for a human with 2 or more group from any tiger
Your comment, though making correct points, does not define scary. Their fear factor has to connect to their motivation to be that way. For comparison, lions will alter hunting behavior depending on the situation and will adapt to hunt unconventional prey. There are prides of lions that developed tactics to take down adult elephants and even crocodiles due to shortage of other prey. And this isn't even outlier behavior. It's repeatedly documented. Also the fact that they are known to be vengeful and show hatred. Many stories of male lions making a point out of killing other lions and hyenas even when the threat wasn't immediate. And to high enough levels that it substantially affected populations. Their intelligence makes them scarier because they're that smart on top of being about as big and strong as tigers.
@@stefthorman8548 Not by much, really. The average lion and tiger are no more than 5-10kgs apart. You'll find many lions that are bigger and stronger than tigers. Only in their absolute biggest of the biggest specimens will you find tigers to be bigger but even that is not by much. They're very closely matched as species.
I like to try and accurately think of how animals might process their thoughts. So in the case of the lioness's, i imagine it goes something like "i here, hunt good". Maybe not super active coordination, but a basic awareness that things go better when they're in a certain position 🤷
We were able to domesticate wolfs because of their strong social structure and pack mentality, right? So, since lions too have those shouldn't it be possible to domesticate lions in a similar manner to how we domesticated wolfs into dogs?
lions are vastly more dangerous than wolves. Wolves generally top out at 60-80kg according to Wikipedia, whereas lions are twice as heavy. In addition, lions have better weaponry (retractable, and thus sharper, claws). If you make a human fight a single wolf or lion, they might be able to fight the wolf if they have a spear or knife (not that the human would get out unscathed, of course). Against the lion? Not technically impossible, but you'd need a lot of luck. Hence, lions are more risky to tame, in case they turn on you. If I were a prehistoric human and had to choose between domesticating wolves or lions, I know which one I'd pick.
@@pixelmaster98 Definitely, but I though the most accepted theories as to how wolves were tamed is centered around humans taking in cubs, not adult wolves. And in that case the higher danger of the lion wouldn't really matter as lion cubs would simply not be dangerous to humans.
I feel like domesticating wolves was easy due to a number of factors that aren’t present in lions. For exemple the social hierarchy of wolves is very similar to ours (a breeding pair and their pups) just like us, whereas lions have social dynamics that are very different. Also, wolves hunt basically the same way as ancient humans did ( running the prey down to exhaustion). So in my opinion having a social hierarchy that was similar to ours may have made it easier for them to be integrated in our societies. That, coupled with our similar hunting strategies, made them very useful hunting partners that could keep up with us. Imagine hunting with a lion ??😂😂. We can’t camouflage like them, we can’t run as fast them. But also lions would have trouble hunting like us. They have no endurance due to the lack of slow twitch muscle fibers. It really wouldn’t work out. Aslo lions are too agressive to be tamed I think
I think clowders of feral cats would begin to hunt together if given the chance to hunt larger prey because I'm pretty sure 'coparenting' amongst many mothers in cat colonies is a very regular occurence
15:46 -> Just an Indian guy doing some math, and an increase to 30% from 2% is 1400% !! . . . Here is math for those interested : 1. Amount of success for solo hunt -> 2% or 0.02x (x is the total hunts done) 2. Amount of success for co-op hunt -> 30% or 0.30x (again x is total hunts done) Percent increase = ( Increase Delta / Base Value before increase) * 100 Increase Delta = 0.3x - 0.02x = 28% or 0.28x Base value = 0.2x (0.28x)/(0.02x) * 100 = 1400 %
I think lions live in a pride is simply because of the presence of other predators like hyenas, leopards. I dont think lions in europe were as social as ones we find in africa.
No land predator runs a monopoly on their food chains like lions do. Literally nothing is safe from them, not even the Big 3. Whatever the conditions be, lions will adapt accordingly and dominate. Once the dry season hits in Botswana, the lions there switch to hunting elephants, and were known to kill 73 in the span of the 3 years being documented. In Zimbabwe, the adapted to taking down crocodiles. As for the rival predators, a lion in his prime is the most feared beast in land.
Lionesses have also been observed using sex to protect cubs from aggressive males. Actively placing themselves between the aggressor, and the target. Even if the target is not their own offspring.
![Seungmin "그렇게, 천천히, 우리(As we are)" | [Stray Kids : SKZ-PLAYER]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/kAzmhLHePqU/mqdefault.jpg)
Nearly broke my index finger clicking on this
Me 2 😂😂😂
lol
same bro been so ecstatic for a new video
saw a link on real engineering's last video, finally its here
@@your_omenyou clicked this with your index finger 🤨
Little known trivia. There IS another species of cat that lives socially. Southeast Asian water cats (who live by catching fish, so kinda different that way too) will live in social groups of up to dozens. They still solo hunt for their fish, but they live in a big colony. Since they make a pretty easy living, basically dropping off a tree branch to claw-snag a fish at will, they can afford to share a riverbank and just hang out together most of the time.
My old house cat was male, selectively social, and highly intelligent. I taught him to open cabinets, such that we had to tie cabinets closed with a string, so I taught him to untie the string, so we double knotted, and I taught him to untie that as well. He knew the door knob would open a door, and he'd reach for it and even try to turn it, but he had no opposable thumbs. He befriended a male neighbor kitten and they were friends for the rest of their lives, often napping together in each others yards, visiting in houses and sharing food, and defending against dogs and other cats. Mh cat also used to mercillessly tease his frienc by leaving the house first after a shared meal to go hide behind some bushes, pounce on his buddy, scare the crap out of him, and play-chase him to a tree near the edge of his territory, which my cat ran up all crazy eared and crazy eyed and yeowled as his buddy ran up the sidewalk back to his house. They never ever attacked each other to draw blood, just to startle for their own amusement. They sometimes even groomed each other, though rare. The other can was friendly but really not that bright. In a light rain, my cat would sit or roost in a hole or tunnel through the row of hedges and remain dry. His buddy tried to mimmic this behavior on a neaby hedge tunnel, but sat with his head only in the dry zone, leaving his shoulders back drenched, which seemed to infinitely confuse the poor little guy, much to my cat's amusement, which you could see by his facial expressions, slow eye blink patterns, staring, and pretending not to be staring, etc.
You talk affectionately about your cat as if it is a little human, just like my mom does 🥲🥲🥲
Very sweet and heartwarming. God Bless You
I wholeheartedly agree with this post, and honestly, it’s one of the most delightful testaments to feline intelligence and their quirky social dynamics I’ve come across. Your cat sounds like an absolute legend-a combination of cunning, loyalty, and pure mischief that exemplifies why cats are so fascinating to share our lives with.
First off, the sheer intelligence of your cat is mind-blowing. Teaching a cat to open cabinets is impressive enough, but then to escalate the challenge with knots and have your cat learn to untie those as well? That’s next-level brilliance. It’s like you had your own personal feline escape artist-Houdini with whiskers. And the part about him reaching for doorknobs despite his anatomical limitations? That’s the hallmark of a thinker who won’t let biology stop him from dreaming big. If he had opposable thumbs, I imagine he’d have written a memoir or learned to drive.
The friendship between your cat and the neighbor kitten is another gem in this story. It’s such a rare thing to see genuine inter-cat friendships blossom, and your two clearly had a bond that transcended the usual territorial squabbles. The image of them napping together in each other’s yards or sharing food is heartwarming enough to melt even the most stoic of hearts. Their teamwork in fending off potential threats like dogs and other cats just solidifies that theirs was a bond built on mutual respect and camaraderie.
And then there’s your cat’s sense of humor. Oh, the pouncing-from-bushes scenario is absolutely priceless. That kind of playful teasing, where he deliberately startled his buddy just to chase him up a tree, screams big brother energy. It’s the kind of behavior that makes you realize animals can have a sense of humor too-something so many people underestimate. Your cat’s theatrics after the chase, with the crazy eyes and dramatic yeowling? That’s straight out of a feline comedy act. Meanwhile, his buddy, endearingly clueless but ever-trusting, just played along. It’s this balance of intelligence and good-natured simplicity that made their dynamic so perfect.
Speaking of simplicity, the rain story had me chuckling out loud. Your cat sitting smugly in the hedge tunnel, staying perfectly dry, while his poor buddy only managed to cover his head, is pure comedy gold. The contrast between their levels of understanding-and your cat’s subtle, smug amusement-is just so cat. They’re masters of subtlety and nonchalance, and your cat sounds like he had it down to an art form.
All in all, your post captures the essence of what makes cats so endlessly fascinating: their intelligence, their individuality, their ability to form meaningful relationships, and, above all, their knack for mischief. Your old house cat wasn’t just a pet-he was a personality, a friend, and an entertainer, all rolled into one. I can’t help but admire him and his buddy for the wonderful, complex, and sometimes hilarious lives they led.
I do not trust my cat enough to teach him to open cabinets lol. Yours sounds like a really special cat!! My cat has been an indoor cat all his life because we always lived in the city, but we just moved to the countryside and he now gets supervised outside time every day. Its unbelievable to see his instincts kick in as he surveys his kingdom and slowly expands his territory every day. We don't let him get too far but the he cannot resist the call of the wild. He yowls at the stray/outdoor cats through the window screens, and now begs to go outside all day every day. We joke that these other cats are his friends but I think he might actually want to fight them. He is tough and huge and tolerates our cattle dog harassing him constantly. And he has been catching soooo many mice in our house for us. He's (mostly) a good boy.
😂😂😂 I had a cat that used to play hide and seek that way. He was an 11 pound chubby black and white cow kitty.
But if his head was hiding under something we had to pretend like we couldn't see him.
Should I show this to my cat? I'm worried he'll get inspired
😂
My cat was attentively watching
😂😂😂😂😂 nice one
Your cat has already seen it. Kitty is just biding it's time. Sleep well.
Mine is ignoring it
10:57 "Sedentary Man"
You didn’t have to call me out like that 😂
Spirit animal 😂
😂😂
One thing I'd like to say is that often times scientists for whatever reason conflate PSI which is a measure of bite pressure with bite "force" to the general public. Forces and pressures are different things, forces are measured in units like newtons, whereas pressure is some force over some area in this instance being measured in pounds per square inch. So an animal with a weak bite can have a larger psi due to its tooth or teeth having a smaller area of contact and vice versa. That being said, yes tigers and lions have pretty much the same bite force but hyenas don't. They have a bite force less than half of that. There's a paper called "bite club" that elaborates this further. The measurements of psi are typically done through transducers or other measuring equipments which can give varying results for various reasons, such as the animal not biting as hard as it can or biting at different angles which would change the area of contact. So the paper actually measures the bite "force" using the literal anatomy of the animals. And it shows that lions and tigers bite more than 2x the force of a typical hyena. Another interesting thing to note is whether or not the animal is biting harder for its size. This is measured through bfq or the bite force quotient and it shows that hyeanas actually do bite as hard as lions and tigers relative to their size, so though they have a weaker bite overall they actually bite as hard as lions and tigers for their size. In other words big cats and hyeanas have the same bite force at the same size. Lions and such have a bigger bite only cause they're bigger in size. For further understanding you can check out Professor Steve Wroe's channel "real paleontology" where he explains why bite forces change asymmetrically relative to size, a phenomenon called isometry (basically due to the square cube law) and he also debunks the hyena's bone crushing bite myth making it a bigger biter than lions. He shows that it's actually the hyenas dentition that allows them to concentrate the bite on their carnassials to break bones. It's not that lions can't, it's just that lions have thinner blade like carnassials that'd break if they were to do so. Their carnassials are that way because they use suffocating bites to subdue prey to spread out that huge force over the windpipe or spine of the prey to suffocate them. He's also one of the authors of the said "bite club" paper.
honestly this is a constantly confusing part of my research. I will look into the paper you suggest
This is so interesting, I'm gonna look these up later!
As a Felidae expert, bite force is measured in TWO places, front and back. Lions have a better bite force in the back tigers have a better BF in front. Paws: lion paws are longer than a tiger just not as wide..10W vs 12 reg. Tigers are genetically the closest to our kitties. Google pushes tiger propaganda so be careful. Tigers are not bigger than lions. SOME tigers can grow bigger in captivity. Lions beat tigers 8-10. Lions are also the smartest of the big cats. Hyenas are smarter than tigers. Mountain lions hold 2 world records and my spirit animal.
As a kid, I was fascinated by these kind of videos. I went to the library every week to rent some documentaries of animals.
Love Stephanie’s voice. Exquisite blend of word pronunciation and enthusiastic tone.
And she's beautiful on top of that.
A good colleague of mine went for a safari in Tanzania and told me a lion's roar is one of the most powerful and frightening sounds you'll ever hear he really enjoyed his trip the lion roar made his trip memorable
I would love to hear it in the wild one day
I LOVE YOU INSANE BIOLOGY VIDEOS TO THE POINT I KEEP ON REWATCHING THEM LOL
We have four cats (3 girls 1 boy) at our flat and about 3 neighbourhood cats have the property within their territory line and so cross over, a lot.
We were stressed about our cats getting along initially, but it is like watching a little pack of lions; they mostly tolerate each other, sometimes play, like to sleep near each other, eat in a little group, and overall don't care; but if another cat comes over or one of our ones starts meowing ALL of them race outside to see and chase off the 'intruder.'
It's stupidly cute, it's like a mini documentary in my backyard 😅
Omg you described it exactly as I would have. A BBC documentary about neighborhood cats 😂😂😂😂
fastest click of my life, just wish there was more about lion conservation. Incredible video as always!
Check out the field notes episode on Nebula to hear a lot more about conversation from the expert himself. It's really detailed and fascinating!
Cheetahs sometimes hunt together. I know they're not part of panthera but they are a big cat... And They sometimes hunt in trios or duos of males
Yes they do, but mainly it's a mother teaching her grown cubs, or brothers creating small groups. Most grown cheetahs are solitary, that's why they aren't considered social cats. In addition to this, they don't tend to "cooperate" so much as mob the same prey animals (the difference between these hunting styles is highlighted in this video).
@@caitolent thanks for explaining
Cheetahs aren't big Cats, but you are right it's actually quite common for Cheetahs to form groups, however these are mostly males that does this.
House Cats also commonly form groups, they hunt together and defend each other against threats such as other groups of Cats and also Dogs, this is the reason why they fit in so well with people, and will even defend their humans against a threat, putting their own life on the line.
@@dawoodwilliams3652You’re Incorrect. Cheetah are considered big cats. The other person is right - they are not part of Panthera, but they are still categorized as big cats.
Sees "Lion" --> *neuron activation*
And sees video: --> neuron development
@@lobban2and sees: --> spot run.
The Argument that a Male Lions Mane isnt for protection during a fight because, the Neck is not the Place that Lions target, hurt my Brain a bit NGL
One complaint. And it's not just you, we people and other science reporters, do this all the time.
Why do we doubt conscious intelligence in other creatures?!
Why do we assume animals can't think, feel, ponder, calculate, analyze and communicate?!
Of course they can and do! We are all made of the same stuff, have brains that's function the same way. We might have vastly different ways of communicating, and yes, perhaps ours in more intricate and complex, but that doesn't meant that they don't do these things at all.
I really enjoy your channel and find the videos informative and very well done, for the record.
I just don't understand why we doubt animals have a thought process of some sort.
Because assuming they do think similar to us is anthropomorphizing animals. As much as i also believe that animals are capable to higher thinking, we simply dont know and saying otherwise is just unscientific.
Sure me and you may say that cats think and plan like us, but from a documentary like this we should expect better and not just go with what they feel.
Completely un-scientific opinion here, but I would've thought that anyone with a "fur-baby" would confirm that felines and canines can think and plan. Mine certainly could.
@@deltaeins1580Admitting that animals are capable of higher cognition - which can be clearly deduced from their actions - isn't "anthropomorphising" animals unless one foolishly and naively reserved such attributes to humans alone. There's a vast difference between assigning animals attributes based upon wishful thinking and admitting that our view of what intelligence is or isn't is extremely limited by it's anthropocentrism. We now know neither culture nor language are exclusive to humans (or even primates) yet some people will still claim that animals have no higher cognition beyond abilities connected to instinct and survival.
I'm but a simple man.
I see Simba, I click Simba.
Idk… I think the leopard might be the scariest to me. If you look up facts up leopards they are extremely strong and successful hunters. I saw a leopard kill a warthog right in front of me on a safari in Africa and it was one of the craziest things over ever seen. It was truly shocking how powerful they are. Once it killed the warthog it jumped up into the tree with the warthog in its mouth
Time to immediately drop everything im doing and watch a video
I do this whenever I pick up my pc you write my thesis😅
Being hunted by wolves is plenty horrifying. Being hunted by a pride of lions is next-level nightmare fuel.
Both are quite nightmarish tbh...
Yeah but difference is one healthy alpha male lion would solo entire wolf pack😂
@@unconscious1076 not really, an single male lion isn't going to win against 6-20 130lb grey wolves, no matter how alpha, although an pride of lions(6-12) would absolutely demolish an super pack of wolfs(100), since lions are double the size of wolves.
@@stefthorman8548a single male lion can defeat 10 to 15 wolves. It would need like 20 wolves or more to defeat the lion, and they would lose most of their members, and many would be severely injured for life, which they won’t risk, as they would realise lions don’t mess around like bears, and are a lot faster, more agile, and have razor sharp claws that are sharper and more deadly than a bears claws, and can be used to tear any opponent
The fact that lions not going for the neck supposedly proves that the mane is not for defensive purposes reminds me a lot of this WW2 story where they armored parts of aircraft that had the most holes in them. Survivorship bias and all.
How do they know lions are not going for the mane because it is so effective at defense?
In our area of midwest America we have been seeing both bears and cougars returning to their old ranges.
I haven't yet come across either one personally yet, but even though I'm apprehensive of both i really dont want to run across a cougar. Ive seen the result of a cougar kill on our farm and they are quite impressive.
Same here in New England. I would love to see a cougar from the safety of my car or house lol
cougars are far lesser then lions, way smaller, dumber, and no pack. you'll be fine with an 10mm pistol, or 12g shotgun
Lions are not only symbols of strength in the animal kingdom, but also one of the species with exceptional intelligence. This raises an interesting question: What has driven lions to develop such complex intellectual abilities, and what can we learn from this?
Its been observed that some lion prides have their own cultures hence their intelligence.
Yeah lions are actually so so majestic no wonder why even in place like persia india Lions were imperial symbols eventhough tigers are way more wide spread here
Evolution is a fairy tale - all we observe came from nothing and if we have enough time, life will arise and assemble into incredible complex creatures. Give honour where honour is due - designed by Jesus!
@@BlessingsMate😂😂😂😂😂 Evolution has all evidence behind it that your book, a fairytale written by human beings, does not. Talk about delusional.
@@unconscious1076true. As an Indian, I can confirm you are saying facts. Despite tigers being way more numerous here even in the past, and in more areas, the Indian emperors and kings saw the lion in a greater position, giving it the legendary title king of the beasts, and the lion being the emblem of the 2300 year old Indian mauryan empire
I have a orange cat. I avoid my death daily.
Godspeed
Could you do this sort of video on the Amur Tiger?
Military precision? I don't think military operations are precise.
Teehee
I think the world is suffering from a lack of lions. People would be far less comfortable if a lion could possibly jump out of the bushes on their morning jog. That would be a good thing IMHO.
Que emoción, nuevo video 😊
(16:02)
...in spite of human piousness on being self aware, more animals than not have a sense of self, and yes, lions in attack formations are highly aware of who goes where in order to be successful in that "30%" kill-pie shown at (15:47)...if they were not, that kill-pie would be all over the place in results, resulting in a false mean average statistical number....we are all children of different species....have some respect....
Mt. Lions can't roar either, but they sure can scare the crap out of you when they scream.
People who shoot at lions quickly realize the lions have a force field that sends back every attack to humans killing humans instantly.
I think the fact that both social and non social cats exist show that there is not a significant benefit to either strategy.
Tiger after this pwease? 🐯
Nahh! Capybaras please!
Tigers please but at a later date
Do tiger next pls
What type of spider is shown at 13:09?
Banded or Golden Orb Weaver
I have to wonder if the man eating lions were also drawn to a large group of relatively unprotected people. I'm guessing native people lived in more protective, permanent structures or had stockades or some such.
"I'm sometimes even scared of my own cat."
Me a seasoned cat lover: P a t h e t i c.
My orange cat could live with them
Best episode ever
Awesome video. I love that you show tons of videos of the actual animals, and not just yourself talking like many dull animal science youtubers.
I knew they were smart to coordinate hunting, but I didn't realise how smart. Great video
That chart is interesting. Brown bears have even less of those fast twitch muscle fiber than a sedentary man apparently, however they can still run at nearly double the speed. The most interesting part though is that they can run for very long time periods, so perhaps it’s because they have much more slow twitch muscle fibers built for endurance.
7:17 that just sound like a survivorship bias ofcours they would attack less protected areas. Scientists use any reason to justify their position
Fantastic work as usual! I've probably watched 100+ videos about lions and this is certainly among the top 5 I've ever seen. I haven't seen any of these videos before, where did you source these? They are VERY good quality videos. Keep up the great work.
Have to admit as someone who regularly talks with friends across the world, it's both refreshing and impressive hearing an American say the word "Niche" correctly
I just thought I was watching a football ⚽ strategy breakdown video.😂
Can you guys do more African animals like antelopes and a lot more and elephants and wildebeest
Finally, my favorite animal!
Really i like your style in your videos.
If you've seen The Ghost and The Darkness movie, you know how scary and dangerous these lions can be.
Never knew jag-wire were cats, thanks for info
I love your videos! Your beauty and intelligence makes this videos so engaging 🥰
0:18 37 minutes! LFG
Another thing to consider that's often overlooked is bachelors. They are males without a pride and they usually do team up in pairs.
you depicted cave lions being larger than American lions, however the census in the scientific community is that American lions were likely the largest true cat to ever live
currently no, the largest lion ever currently is the mosbach lion or panthera fossilis as the max size of american lion was lowered from 520kg to 400
I'd love to see a video about the biology of horses, specifically race horses
Thank you for this very informative video!! 🦁
I was not aware that lions are also the most intelligent cats but it makes perfect sense.
I think Hyenas are the scariest cats. They have a higher hunt success rate than lions.
I believe they’re more like Mongooses / they’re not cats
@nathana.m.1622 you are correct. They are in the same family as mongooses and fossa. Still they are feliforma. Funny fact that makes hyenas even more scary is that the females are hung 🤣
I was waiting for u to do a vid about lions ❤
Jagwire?
My lion mane is growing bigger and healthier everyday when i sleep.
Awesome doc.
Hey it would be very nice to see a video about the maned wolf or Lobo Guará as we call in Brasil
MY FAVORITE ANIMAL GOT AN INSANE BIOLOGY VID FINALLY!!!! 🦁
Thank you
You’re welcome
It seems to me that for the most part, the most successful animals across Africa live in groups. It tracks that with all of the pressures in place challenging survival that even cats would go for the group dynamic. Furthermore, when you think about how humans evolved, we were living in groups before we even came out of the trees. However, when meat became a part of our diet our brains began to grow. So when cats bring animals that already eat meat transition into a group lifestyle it makes sense that they would also get smarter as a result. It's kinda scary but evolution is kinda scary.
Is it just me, or is lion roaring just adorable? I can't help but observe their lips, it looks like they are talking or something.
My cat's only dangerous to packages of treats, she is ignoring the entire video
The rewatchability on this video is over 9000
Tigers are way scarier, cause they are solitary typically and wayyyy less group-social. The increased intelligence lions have, and their social behaviours, make them relatable and understandable - and under really specific circumstances, quit pleasant. Like us, if you remove the struggle to survive, they can be quite affectionate. It’s also worth noting that cheetahs too have been observed having similar family structures. If you take them out of the wild, you will see a lot of behaviours recognized in humans.
Tigers don’t have this. It’s the diff between a well-socialized feral and a non-socialized one: if you take both out of the “survival” situation, one will domesticate much easier than the other.
Tigers are not scary lol bro in Nepal India people do safari walks in national park all the time and According to Guides there is zero threat for a human with 2 or more group from any tiger
Your comment, though making correct points, does not define scary. Their fear factor has to connect to their motivation to be that way.
For comparison, lions will alter hunting behavior depending on the situation and will adapt to hunt unconventional prey. There are prides of lions that developed tactics to take down adult elephants and even crocodiles due to shortage of other prey. And this isn't even outlier behavior. It's repeatedly documented.
Also the fact that they are known to be vengeful and show hatred. Many stories of male lions making a point out of killing other lions and hyenas even when the threat wasn't immediate. And to high enough levels that it substantially affected populations.
Their intelligence makes them scarier because they're that smart on top of being about as big and strong as tigers.
@@dariusbrock2713 i mean, tigers are also known to be vengeful
@@dariusbrock2713 also, tigers are bigger and stronger then lions.
@@stefthorman8548 Not by much, really. The average lion and tiger are no more than 5-10kgs apart. You'll find many lions that are bigger and stronger than tigers.
Only in their absolute biggest of the biggest specimens will you find tigers to be bigger but even that is not by much.
They're very closely matched as species.
3:20 those were probably lions that escaped from colosseums, 300BC is too recent for them to be native
The center lioness is the quarterback, calling out the plays. The Lioness is on the wings go long. Basically, these lions are running football plays.
Totally would like to see a solo episode for the domesticated house. They are savages, especially outside 😅
Feral cats have been proven to be social, so I wouldn't say lions are the only ones.
I just 💛 #LIONS🦁 & ❤🤍💙 all your video's mate👍.
I like to try and accurately think of how animals might process their thoughts. So in the case of the lioness's, i imagine it goes something like "i here, hunt good". Maybe not super active coordination, but a basic awareness that things go better when they're in a certain position 🤷
That was roarsome👍
We were able to domesticate wolfs because of their strong social structure and pack mentality, right? So, since lions too have those shouldn't it be possible to domesticate lions in a similar manner to how we domesticated wolfs into dogs?
yes, however lions are way more aggressive than wolves when they see humans. also, we shouldnt domesticate lions in general
@@Kenna_Enna It was more meant of a "if we did domesticate wolfs, why not lions" question rather than a suggestion we should now start doing it.
lions are vastly more dangerous than wolves. Wolves generally top out at 60-80kg according to Wikipedia, whereas lions are twice as heavy. In addition, lions have better weaponry (retractable, and thus sharper, claws).
If you make a human fight a single wolf or lion, they might be able to fight the wolf if they have a spear or knife (not that the human would get out unscathed, of course). Against the lion? Not technically impossible, but you'd need a lot of luck.
Hence, lions are more risky to tame, in case they turn on you.
If I were a prehistoric human and had to choose between domesticating wolves or lions, I know which one I'd pick.
@@pixelmaster98 Definitely, but I though the most accepted theories as to how wolves were tamed is centered around humans taking in cubs, not adult wolves. And in that case the higher danger of the lion wouldn't really matter as lion cubs would simply not be dangerous to humans.
I feel like domesticating wolves was easy due to a number of factors that aren’t present in lions. For exemple the social hierarchy of wolves is very similar to ours (a breeding pair and their pups) just like us, whereas lions have social dynamics that are very different. Also, wolves hunt basically the same way as ancient humans did ( running the prey down to exhaustion). So in my opinion having a social hierarchy that was similar to ours may have made it easier for them to be integrated in our societies. That, coupled with our similar hunting strategies, made them very useful hunting partners that could keep up with us. Imagine hunting with a lion ??😂😂. We can’t camouflage like them, we can’t run as fast them. But also lions would have trouble hunting like us. They have no endurance due to the lack of slow twitch muscle fibers. It really wouldn’t work out. Aslo lions are too agressive to be tamed I think
Lions can solve puzzles that tigers and leopards don't wanna solve
I know it was a test but couldn't help feeling a little bad for the black leopard
I think clowders of feral cats would begin to hunt together if given the chance to hunt larger prey because I'm pretty sure 'coparenting' amongst many mothers in cat colonies is a very regular occurence
The grey wolves of the cat world
American lion was the biggest wild big cat that ever live. Liger is the largest big cat that ever live.
Greetings from a farm in South Africa.
My secret nightmare, being tracked by a pride while on foot kilometres from home.
Jag-Wire
Jag-wire?
Lion roars first
I feel like being hunted by a group of people would be the only thing scarier
20:40 I'm pretty sure it's a little bit of all of those things
I have a life long Maasai friend. When wearing red lions avoid/fear him.
Those lions got a better run game than most NFL teams
15:46 -> Just an Indian guy doing some math, and an increase to 30% from 2% is 1400% !!
.
.
.
Here is math for those interested :
1. Amount of success for solo hunt -> 2% or 0.02x (x is the total hunts done)
2. Amount of success for co-op hunt -> 30% or 0.30x (again x is total hunts done)
Percent increase = ( Increase Delta / Base Value before increase) * 100
Increase Delta = 0.3x - 0.02x = 28% or 0.28x
Base value = 0.2x
(0.28x)/(0.02x) * 100 = 1400 %
Yes, but she is wrong about a single lioness only having 2 percent hunting success. It’s actually like 15 percent
I think lions live in a pride is simply because of the presence of other predators like hyenas, leopards.
I dont think lions in europe were as social as ones we find in africa.
please do a real science video on the biology of bengal tigers please
Big cats are why we fear the dark
"Jayguire" is wild 💀💀💀💀
By a preview for a little time I think it was a Mufasa review
No land predator runs a monopoly on their food chains like lions do. Literally nothing is safe from them, not even the Big 3. Whatever the conditions be, lions will adapt accordingly and dominate.
Once the dry season hits in Botswana, the lions there switch to hunting elephants, and were known to kill 73 in the span of the 3 years being documented. In Zimbabwe, the adapted to taking down crocodiles.
As for the rival predators, a lion in his prime is the most feared beast in land.
Ah yes the jaguyre
(I tease I never know how to say it either lol)
Everyone is telling me how wrong I am lol whatever
@realscience doesn't matter! I still love your videos 🧡
Lionesses have also been observed using sex to protect cubs from aggressive males. Actively placing themselves between the aggressor, and the target. Even if the target is not their own offspring.