So what do you think? Do chimps have awareness of the suffering violence causes? And remember to check out some of the amazing conservation videos made by our friend's at Planet Wild planetwild.com/r/realscience/m10
What does the word INSANE mean .. if even biology is mentally ill. Think about it. The makers of this video are biological entities .. and possibly insane ? Logic fault?
"[...] there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." -- Shakespeare I was taught that we all have to dissociate in order to kill (which is natural) and that what we should be connected to is an awareness of the reason why we're doing it -- is it a good reason or is it just out of sadism, power trip, etc.? Maybe the real problem with us humans is how outwardly focused we've become at the expense of inward examination of ourselves and how much we live in our heads instead of our bodies? How much we live fearing the future or regretting the past and how little we're living right here in the present? It's a topic SO much more worthy than what I've written, but I'm tired so it'll have to do.
They “justify” their actions im sure, so and so got more, this is “unfair” so we’ll even the score. The pain and suffering was the punishment thus the understanding exactly what they are doing and probably care little whether the victim knows why. Chimps obviously get mad when feeling betrayed much like humans.
"Capacity"? Seriously? Life is violent, across all species! Violence, stealing, murder is integral part of nature! Thats how we evolved, Who are you to expect them to have "capacity" to exclusively human notions of justice and nonviolence? How would it sound to you if some animal will expect you to have capacity to digest grass or understand whale language or roam naked coz should have fur??
i like to think that the only reason the chimpanzees and gorillas survived in africa amongst the great apes is because they maintained physical superiority over humans. Think about how many species that were driven to extinction despite having bigger brains...
The point is they make a decision one way or another not the extent of the decision which is logical because they don't know how far the enemy with go. They don't know if the enemy will go for a kill therefore they must go for a kill.
I spoke to a zoo worker once who told me he was terrified of them. He said if a gorilla saw a bird in its enclosure it would watch it and maybe play with it but a chimp would rip it apart limb from limb. He said no primate makes deliberate genocidal war against its rivals of the same species apart from chimps and humans.
Growing up in the 50s chimps were seen as cute, funny and cuddly while gorillas were portrayed as savage beasts in so many movies. Interesting how many times human stereotypes are wrong.
Chimps are really friendly in the wild and should be approached as often as possible to get them used to human interaction. Usually they just want to play reindeer games or consume alcohol which helps the animal become closer to jesus and therefore more friendly and calm.
@@origaminefretami3480 Nay, it was all a hoax to frame up that monkey in a scheme to steal the elections. Chimps actually run some of the underground world government, they are just pretending to be wild animals but are really alien plants sent here to monitor the humans and report back to the lizard people who live on the dark side of the moon currently but will be moving to take over the earth after Trump wins the election even though Camel-a will try everything to rig it up like in 2020 how they rigged it up... but not this time brugh, we got our stuff together this time brugh!!
@@DeMan59true. Gorillas will use give a clear danger signal ( bluff charge, etc). With chimps, it’s less clear to us humans. Orangutans aren’t usually violent, but a scientist once taught an orangutan how to start a fire successfully, so I’ll leave that here.
Travis' story is just so heartbreaking. Initially I had some sympathy for Sandra, but then I learned that when she took Travis in, Travis' mother was so devastated by the separation that they had to put her down. That is when my sympathy vanished. Plus she admitted to spiking his tea with Xanax during his final days (which indicates that there were more issues with his behavior than she lead others to believe). Caution needs to be taken when prescribing this type of medication to humans, let alone a heavyset, musclebound wild animal. Sandra's grief over the loss of her loved ones ended up costing two chimpanzees their lives and the horrific maiming of a friend. Not every animal was meant to be domesticated.
Xanax is known to cause paradoxical agitation, aggression and violence in some people (it acts like alcohol in the body) so prescribing it to a depressed and morbidly obese chimp was fool hardy. The chimp was also addicted to junk food, so this likely perpetuated his mental decline.
No animal was "meant" to be domesticated. The reason some animals have been domesticated is that human captured wild animals, whose behavior was unmanageable, and practiced selective breeding upon them for generation after generation until eventually they got docile animals whose behavior they could manage. The shorter the period between birth and sexual maturity and ability to reproduce that an animal had, the more rapidly docile animals could be derived from unmanageable animals. For example a female dog can give birth at about 6 or 7 months of age, so within a period of 15 years, 30 new generations of dogs can be bred. During the same period of 15 years only 1 new generation of humans can be expected.
@@slevinchannel7589 I remember professor Dave! - He's a clown and has zero credibility. I've seen a few of his "debunking" videos and they are hilarious. Other than flat earth, he debunks nothing. He's a religious zealot, only his religion is "Science! (TM)" not to be confused with science. I recommend if you want a laugh.
15:48 One thing often missing from retellings of the situation with Travis: he had been given Xanax because he seemed stressed out. Xanax is an antianxiety medication _in _*_HUMANS._* But in chimpanzees, Xanax _causes _*_hallucinations._* So Travis was simultaneously stressed out _and tripping ba11s_ when he attacked. No, _I AM NOT_ saying that Xanax was completely responsible for Travis' being viooent. Chimps _are naturally violent._ I just wanted to point out the disaster it is to take a violent wild animal, suffering from isolation- and captivity-induced stress, and give it human medication, medication leading to hallucinations.
@@audreyricci6383 Not sure who you're reacting to, but a naturally violent, intelligent wild animal that's stressed and depressed and hallucinating is _definitely not funny!_ "Ticking time-bomb" is the phrase that comes to mind…
I'm calling cap. In what way shape or form are we able to tell if a chimpanzee is experiencing hallucinations? They can't describe anything they may see or hear to us for us to conclude they are seeing/hearing things
What's interesting about Travis's example is that despite his capacity for horrific violence, Travis never harmed his human "parents" before the final incident. I also read that when his foster parent attacked him with a knife in an attempt to save her friend, Travis appeared surprised and genuinely shocked that his family member would harm him - meaning that the attack was not an all-out rebellion against mankind, but simply an one-time reaction towards the victim (for whatever reasons unknown). I know humanizing animals is not the correct way to interpret things, but it's quite similar to how humans can be very caring to their friends and family, but at the same time be ruthlessly cruel towards people they consider outsiders and enemies. Brutality and compassion are not contradicting factors within the same intelligence.
I ask myself wich could be a concivable logic reason to interpret humanity as something exceptional in all possible ways... To belive it could be a different stuff you need to belive that the non human animals, all together, in a big group that don't comprehend just us, are simultaniosly totally unaware of the consequence of their actions and any social bonding convention while being also able to deal some precise strike with the precise intent to harm/kill the victim (either for predation, defense, therritory, riproduction, etc.) and hold on on social structures while doing it. Like a sort of oxymoronic randomically predeterminated path.
OP: "similar to how humans can be very caring to their friends and family, but at the same time be ruthlessly cruel towards people they consider outsiders and enemies." I have 2 dogs that do this as well. They can be very protective of us, yet very gentle and calm toward us. Outsiders are definitely viewed with more suspicion than family until we give the okay for them to greet guests as friends. They also seem to "understand" who they can and cannot jump on, like they avoid jumping up on old people or tiny people. It's like they know they can hurt others by being too rowdy.
No matter if already knew all this because I’m a huge nature doc nerd. The way Stephanie breaks everything down and explains things is so good. Love all your videos. Thanks for making this in depth, easy to fallow videos for us nature enthusiasts.
She did some errors and average human will have generally 50% on a new born but this can drastically change depending on what you do and can go up to 80% ok certain sports Also she forgot to say chimps are only 1.5times stronger than the average man in pulling strength alone Also the claim that a chimp can rip you face of with 1 swing this is completely false as that woman was being munched on for hours and only got her face and wrist damage Also the idea that they are agressive chimps are quite nice actually that chimp war lasted 4 years with only 8 casualties Chimps are also 'ot agressive in their group they will rarely attack each other and it's not for dominance as their system and social structure is based around how much they are liked and they do stuff like grooming bringing foods playing around to be more liked
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt oh yeah my bad they are 1.5 times stronger PROPORTIONALLY in pulling strength we are still stronger (talking about the average guy who doesn't train)
I remember reading a while ago someone's account of working in a zoo. They were new and were responsible for filling the food bowls in some of the cages. The one in the chimp cage had been moved further back and they were about to reach in to grab it when another employee pulled them back in horror. When they looked into the cage properly they should see a chimp waiting, hiding and watching them. They realised it had been a trap and if they'd reached in the chimp probably would have mauled their arm. And that's when they became terrified of chimps. To know they're not only wild, violent animals, but ones with theory of mind, capable of planning and strategizing is chilling.
I hear that people in Africa are actually more afraid of chimps than they are of lions. Lions don't sneak into the village under cover of darkness and steal babies out of their cribs. And they don't maim when they attack, they just kill you as quickly as possible and are done.
>And they don't maim when they attack The reason is obvious - chimps don't hunt people for food, while lions do. There is no reason to maim when you intent to eat. I doubt people in Africa more prefer to be eaten than maimed.
We share 98.7% of our DNA with Bonobos and they've never been recorded killing each other. So, that's factually accurate, not naive. But I agree, chimps are much closer to us in terms of behavior.
@@rainbow_doglover8301 ohh i didn’t know that, that’s a very good point. writing needlessly pessimistic / nihilistic comments is kinda tempting lol, so that’s my bad. interesting that we’re so closely related to both bonobos and chimps, they’re sorta like the two sides of what we could be.. tho yea i feel like we do often skew closer to chimp-like behavior
A RUclips video with a human narrator! Awesome! She doesn't mispronounce words with odd spellings, she does not use excessive adjectives, and she doesn't show photos or videos stolen from someone else's story. I have seen AI videos where the narrator shows a photo of a starfish while talking about an octopus. This is an interesting and informative video narrated by a lovely young lady who actually knows what she is talking about! Excellent job!
I agree, the AI videos are super annoying. I had the same issue, but then I started pressing "not interested" under every video I saw like that. It really helps so that you don't see them as much!
Then stop watching AI slop... it's really that easy... on the rare occasions it's pushed to me it's reported for repulsive content, spam, and misinformation. The algorithm pushes what you watch and comment on. Stop watching and commenting on AI crap
I live in Stamford. That lady from the body shop and her chimp Travis were pretty infamous, even before he ate her friend's face. Whoever thought it was a good idea to feed a wild primate benzos was out of their mind.
@@jimurrata6785 What really pisses me off is that after the car incident, a law was passed prohibiting the ownership of primates weighing more than 50 pounds. All well and good, except they didn't enforce the law on Sandra, the ONE PERSON IN CONNECTICUT AT THE TIME WITH A PRIMATE FOR A PET! Excellent work all around...🤦
@@mastershooter64 mood-altering downer-drugs. Benzodiazepine was one of the first commercially-successful drugs of the class, but there have been numerous others over the years, with various effects and side effects, and each one useful for treating specific psychiatric disorders (such as chronic anxiety, ccrippling phobias, etc.) or neurological conditions (such as seizure disorders). Basically, anti-anxiety sedatives. Think "Xanax." For someone who *has* a condition that the drug is designed to treat, it can be life-improving. If it's given / taken all willy nilly, you can get some pretty vivacious issues -- imagine how cranky or irritable a person can be if they're chronically sleep-deprived. Imagine how uncomfortable it would be to be prevented from going to sleep (such as from a fire alarm) AFTER taking a sleep medication like Ambien, or even something milder like Benadryl. Now put that in the body of a 150kg wild animal that has a lot of human-like emotional intelligence, but no ability to "talk through" their negative feelings like a human can. No ability to "count to ten" as a method of keeping their anger in check. ... Yeah.
The "we share 98.8% DNA with them" fact really does not seem so significant if you realise we share 60% of our DNA with fruit flies, bananas and Chickens. And astonishingly 90% with cats. Obviously they are very similar to us, but those 1.2% difference is much more than the number makes it seem to be
Bananas Have been getting planted by humans for thousands of years so of course they do get human dna because they keep touching bananas and their seeds to plant them and fruit flies eat human stuff or maybe they are just sharing dna in other ways or most likely touching stuff that has human saliva like food and some left over fruits and cats and dogs also have been with humans for more than thousands of year but also ten thousands of years so it is accurate why they share sooo many dna
Bananas Have been getting planted by humans for thousands of years so of course they do get human dna because they keep touching bananas and their seeds to plant them and fruit flies eat human stuff or maybe they are just sharing dna in other ways or most likely touching stuff that has human saliva like food and some left over fruits and cats and dogs have been with humans for more than thousands of year but more also ten thousands of years so it is accurate why they share sooo many dna
An extremely even handed, logical, and scientifically unbiased approach to this subject which is quite refreshing to be honest. Thanks for the hard work on this video. An extremely engaging watch.
"Humans are the only animal on the planet that wages war" Chimps: Hold my mom's skull Edit: _"I guess you haven't heard of..."_ This is why English class is important. Appreciate the significance of quotation marks.
I'll never understand why some people have them as pets. They're too unpredictable and powerful, and not meant to be domesticated, regardless how "nice" their handlers are.
@عبدالرحمنعبدالله-ز4م people get to see animals in person, and learn about them, and the creatures get taken care of all the while. What’s not to like about zoos? I was really hoping you’d at least seen casual geographic to be honest. Or have you? I’ll tell you what’s depraved: human zoos existed! 😳 Do with that information what you will, drink water, hug your mother, and have a good one!
@@goodbye6676 Pets? Kids (technically)? Are you saying those are unethical? In every case, they’re better off than in the wild! Why the fuck am I getting all the bad comments?! I just wanted to make someone laugh, but everyone is naming “flaws” with zoos. Animals aren’t tortured in zoos or forced to work, they’re literally taken care of their whole time there! Something like slavery, that was very wrong, I couldn’t disagree more with that, but a zoo? Or what about the previously mention human zoos? Those existed! And no one here gives a fuck because it’s all bad things here and no laughs! For real can there be one person that has seen CG and gets my quote?! He’s got over 1m subscribers, how has no one here seen him?!
Thank you! I hate when idiots on social media with pet baby chimps say, "don't worry, we're experts, our chimps won't go crazy on anyone..." They don't go crazy, they go chimp... They're ruthless and violent with each other, why would they have any reverence for us?! Heartbreaking how selfish some ppl are
@Townie123 the Primate Safety Act is going through Congress atm. Write your local politician and encourage them to pass it. Sadly, places like ZWF and MBS will be allowed to continue, but not traffic or import new chimps. Let's put sanctuaries out of business by not giving those petting zoos patronage, money, views,likes, etc
@@LindaC616 Completely agree, those people are embarrassing and talentless, but because the public sincerely loves animals, vampires, like MBS, can exploit them. Chimp ownership will soon be illegal in all 50 states.
Your (glib) remark against the quote is idiotic. The social glue of Human societies is PEACEFUL cooperation. Every single human society based upon fear and naked power that has ever been has collapsed within a generation. Go ahead. Try to prove me wrong.
Bonobos are just as fascinating as chimps. They're just as closely related to us and just as intelligent, but they're not violent that often. I also think they look more like humans than chimpanzees do. Bonobos have more human-like faces and they walk on two legs quite often.
Both chimps and bonobos split from their predecessors about 7 million years ago. Bonobos had the luck of being south of the Congo River where food was plentiful and there was less need to fight over it. It is a myth that they are non-violent primates, choosing to solve social issues through wild, crazy, uninhibited sexual orgies. While they get after it like teenagers on viagra, they can indeed be violent towards one another. Their tendency is to simmer everyone down by amorous family interactions, which is why I think people in Arkansas are so easygoing and chill!
@@robertbluestein7800 I know bonobos can be violent, but they seem to be violent way less often than chimpanzees. Also, bonobos and chimps split from each other only 2 million years ago, way after they split off from us.
The Chimp Travis was given Xanax by the owner, and was diagnosed with Lyme disease. He attacked Nash when she held his favorite toy, trying to coax him back inside after the owner asked her for help since she couldn't get him back in, saying he was acting 'erratically', which most likely means he was in pain from his disease at the time, and drugged up, given no other evidence. Just my opinion, but taking the favorite toy of a 200 pound chimp drugged and in pain to coax him inside was obviously not a good idea.
It's insightful how you point that out. You're absolutely right! It's horrifying how Travis's distress signals were completely ignored. Taking away his favorite toy and trying to coax him must have been incredibly disrespectful and humiliating. It's like they completely disregarded his need for space and his inherent nature as a powerful animal. It's a tragedy that his pleas for help were ignored, and it highlights the importance of understanding and respecting animal behavior. The well-being of a chimpanzee like Travis requires a deep understanding of their complex needs, including the need for a substantial territory. It's evident that his guardians have failed to provide this level of care.
...This RUclipsr specializes on presenting and summarizig Science, which is nice, but the Work of Professor Dave, who debunks Pseudoscience and Frauds is not to be underestimated. It's very important work so i recommend his recent Terry Howard videos
Thank you so much for quoting 1.5x pound per pound strength, instead of just taking that stupid overused false claim that chimps are 4x stronger than humans. This is one of the only times I think I saw a person genuinely want to report info instead of just use sensationalist clickbait. Amazing work as always.
@@Deltathegoldenretriever Not really. The average weight of an adult man globally is around 136.7 pounds (according to google), while chimp males have weights ranging from 88 to 130 pounds. They are like twice as strong if you account for weight.
Still, I’ll take my chances on a room with a random human than a random chimp. Same goes for sharks, mambas, and crocodiles. It’s a numbers game. Increase your exposure to anything and the risk goes up accordingly.
@@JM1993951 of course different species will be more harmfull to us than we are to ourselves, but if we take two sharks together, are they going to be more harmful to each other than we do to ourselves?
Chimps are far worse. I know of no land animal that does this regularly, even humans do that only on a very rare occassion (for comparison, we are with billions and its rare, chimps are in a few hundred thousand and its common) There are plenty of animals who hold grudges, but they tend to just attack a human years later to show them "hey, i dont like what you did to me!" Or kill But chimps go full worst war crimes on anyone
The closest I can think of is when we remember what was burned into our eyes by a lightning flash. If we see something emitting a coloured pattern, however, we remember that pattern in reverse colour.
Chimps both fascinate and frighten me. The babies are adorable but when they hit chimp puberty they're no longer usable as performers, actors, or pets. In the 1960s there were some batshit crazy chimp studies where babies were raised in human families and taught to communicate through sign language. It didn't go well-the chimps broke out and terrorized the neighborhoods they were in, separating them from their human "parents" broke their hearts to the point some wasted away from despair, and the methods of recording the ape signing were suspect at best. Overall, I'd leave them in the forest where they belong.
Young children have almost photographic memory before they can read and write. It seems to me that chimpanzees’s illiteracy is what frees up that part of the brain to use for memory. A study showed that if you (temporarily) disable the left part of someone’s brain they will also show photographic memory skills and artistic skills as well. Like a young girl with brain damage who could draw horses perfectly, until the function of her left hemisphere was somehow restored.
Makes a lotta sense to me. As an autistic person I was always a good artist as a child. Now I'm a good writer as an adult. Plus I have other weird gifts like I can remember lots of experiences from childhood as if it happened yesterday. I can remember word for word what was said in conversations from years ago if there was anything that left small question marks at the time. I can then rewind several scenes and piece them together to get to the bottom of the issue. Sometimes I can even pick up on the slightest hesitation or change in behavior in someone like a human lie detector, basically a 6th sense. I have a heightened sense of taste, smell, and perception of shapes and colors. I can see the slightest of irregularity in shapes, features color. But with all of this I struggle greatly with social interaction and relationships. I have trouble understanding social norms that enable people to clique with each other. And I miss out on a lot of overt social ques. Sometimes it's all overwhelming/exhausting and I wish I could hit the power off button in my brain 😩
@@qbconnect2883 You have my admiration, for having explained yourself and for reminding me of someone lovely. Rest as best you can, tomorrow is always something else.
@@qbconnect2883 I don't get the sensory overload as badly as you do, but it is totally exhausting. For myself, when I get overwhelmed, I self isolate. Maybe not the best strategy, but it makes meltdowns or bad social interactions less likely. My memory skills are similar, but I have issues with time and sequence that makes things interesting. I do have very keen kinesthetic memory, which has helped me survive and work. Besides having an on/off switch, I wish that HR people and medical personnel had some background in how neurodivergent people experience things because it would help with interactions and improve communication. The US also needs to do this in the education system, as well, especially considering how many students are impacted.
I love this channel!!!! As an equestrian and wildlife lover ,this is hands down the best channel on RUclips. You are incredibly informative and inclusive with your scientific language. The jargon is easy to understand for beginners and your format is extremely well put together. The length of your videos is excellent. Entertaining, informative, and very educational. I recommend this channel to everyone who will listen. Hope this channel lasts forever.
I believe people who keep dangerous, wild animals as pets are the most selfish people. Any aggression by that animal is a death sentence whether the animal was provoked or not. It's bad enough that a wild animal can be killed for being aggressive in its own habitat; but to consciously remove a wild animal from its kind, its home, its comfort zone, and expose it to stress and environmental factors it has zero understanding of or instincts for and then kill it when it reacts to that stress and those factors, is atrocious.
@@joman388 Except those are domestic animals that have lived side by side with us for generations. The problem is too many people think 'domestic' means 'fluffy toy', or treat them like four-legged humans. Not to mention unscrupulous breeders who breed from behaviourally unsound stock. You end up with too many animals that have an unstable temperament and are under-socialised, and too many owners who haven't got the first idea of how to train a dog or don't understand its natural instincts. Not to mention the countless idiots who take on physically large or high-energy breeds that they can't handle, which have been bred for specific tasks. There's people who choose a dog like a fashion item, on whether they 'like the look' or whether some celebrity has that type of dog, without ever bothering to look into that breed's requirements. They think a Great Dane should be fine in a 1 bedroom city apartment, or a Siberian husky be content with a 5 min walk round the block, and then wonder why they have totally neurotic animal on their hands. Dog ownership ought to require a test like a driver's license, in the interests of both human and animal.
@@diarmuidkuhle8181 Yes pets ,especially inside pets,always cause some problems of some sort, that's life . I think they are overrated many times,especially when folks don't have children,it seems the pet becomes their child,many times. But specific pets for specific problems can be a tremendous asset. thanks
People always make the question of whether chimps have empathy or not A LOT more complicated than it is. It's EXACTLY the same for the chimps as it is for us: we have empathy for those we consider part of "our group". It's as simple as that. Those we include in "our group" varies immensely between people (and animals). Some only have empathy for their own family. Some only have empathy for those of their own race. Some only have empathy for those of their own religion. Some only have empathy for human beings. Some only have empathy for human beings and a select few other species we keep as pets. Some only have empathy for other mammals. Some only have empathy for species that can feel pain like us. Some have empathy for all living beings (which is likely to burn them out completely because it's impossible to even exist without causing death to other living beings). Other people may not have the same morals as you. Chimps may not have the same morals as you. That's life. There's no one true goal when it comes to the evolution of empathy - everyone draws the line differently.
Having empathy for all living being isn’t tiring. If something is sentient then it’s a kin of sort, and we really have no idea how far down the scale of information processing primitive sentience can go. We’re all just patterns of motion in swirly sticky stardust after all. None of this changes the fact we need to eat though. One can appreciate the cow’s or the celery plant’s sacrifice while still choosing to eat it. There’s nothing hard or depleting about it. If something else can have wants it needs what’s the harm in feeling connected to it?
@@EarthIsNotFlat no it is very tiring considering how much suffering there is in the world. You might think when you buy your meat "aw sucks that they lived shitty lives but oh well". That's sympathy, not empathy. Sympathy is great as well of course, it means that you care to some extent, but empathy makes you distressed as if it's happening to yourself. Think if someone is stabbing your mom. You wouldn't think "aww poor thing that must really suck, she meant so much to me we were really close". No, you'd feel intense empathy. So no, sympathy wouldn't burn you out. Empathy is definitely draining when the individuals you have empathy for are suffering. And if that empathy extends to every single living creature that's a LOT of suffering for your brain to try to deal with. But I agree with you that we do need to eat, and creatures will die no matter what we eat. I'm not against eating meat but I do think providing them good, happy and comfortable lives and then giving them an instant and pain-free and stress-free death is the least we can do. I can't take the thought of contributing to suffering, so I started raising my own meat animals so that I can be 100% sure that they've had great lives and as humane of a death as possible (shot to the brain-stem whilst they're happily eating grass). A simple "thank you for your sacrifice" to an animal that had suffered wouldn't be enough to ease the distress I feel for them and what they went through.
I agree that having empathy for all living beings is exhausting and it’s because the more empathy you have, the more pain you will inevitably feel on their behalf. I think sometimes my heart can’t hurt anymore than it does and then I learn of some new injustice, some new war crime, new animal abuse, a new species being wiped out for no reason other than greed and have to try console myself by accepting that I’m doing my best to do as little harm as possible and that to continue to do so, I have to accept my limits and allow it to wash over me. But what’s the alternative? Be cold and callous in the face of suffering? Not an option.
"Do chimpanzees know their actions will cause suffering in other individuals" I think if certain horses can figure out how to bully you and experience satisfaction at your suffering, chimps definitely can.
The whole bit about theory of mind doesn't exactly tell us much. Humans who are extremely capable of understanding another's perspective still might not be able to feel any empathy. We call them sociopaths. Are they inherently evil? Probably not. Potentially dangerous? Certainly.
yea, i also feel like these "tests" for "empathy" are very subjective and quite possibly anthropocentric. what would an animal's "theory of mind" be like? we humans have barely cracked some of these ontological concepts like "understanding vs knowledge"... how would we be able to objectively identify such traits in other species? feels like a stretch to me, and if these animal behaviour tests were given to a professor in philosophy of the mind, they'd be able to pull it apart fairly easily.
Sociopaths learn to be that way for personal gain. Psychopaths are born that way, and they are the leaders of the world. They rise to power by stepping on anyone they need to step on, as they rise to power. If people knew what they really have been doing, there would be a worldwide revolution within minutes!!!!!!
Most Sociopaths are not dangerous (nor are Psychopaths for that matter). It's only dangerous when either of those 2 characteristics are combined with true narcissism, truly believing that you're superior to everyone and can get away with anything really messes with a person's moral compass, a lack of empathy might blunt your moral compass a little but you're not just gunna throw all morals out the window cause you don't know how someone else is feeling.
There's a zoo in Japan that has 3 former circus chimps. One of the chimps walks upright most of the time, not because he wants to, but because knees and hips are damaged from being forced to walk upright years ago.
jepp the psychopath, worked in a zoo. had a fenced like backsite on the room where the chimps where kept. they loved scratches but there was one mf who went to it with his back "asking for scratches" but as soon as you tried to scratch him he started screaming like we hurt him. but they fear the almighty hose. even 10ml from a little syrige would be enough to scare them lol dumb fools... wait im feared of sharks in a region where the next shark i could meet is like 500km away.
Why would I tho the chances that it attacks me are low and the chances that it beats me are also low as they are usually smaller wayyy smaller than humans
@@omarsali2990brother you’re not fighting a chimp and winning. Heck I don’t even think I could kill my cat if it wanted to kill me. You run not to outrun the chimp, you run to outrun the person next to you and let them get eaten 😂
@@CloudCoderChap a chimp is like way smaller less heavier way weaker (even pound for pound) and has less stamina and lower bone density the only thing it has is the teeth I can guarantee you of you just réalisé that you have the advantage that chimp should be scared humans have been reported to kill leopard cougars with their bare hands and on multiple occasions (I probably couldn't do that the cougar is still just as heavy as me and more has knifes for nails) any chimp even this huge Travis who was 91kg (and considered morbidly obese)in the wild the largest one ever was 68kg and they typically weight around 50kg humans win just by weight advantage a soccer kick and the chimp is one the ground tweaking
An episode about orangutans could be great, there's not a lot of content about them on youtube They are very unique and intelligent among other animals
Was going to say the same. After all, they are not known as 'Old Man of the Forest' for nothing. Despite being part of the ape community, their general disposition and communication systems are markedly different (and in my opinion, vastly superior) from Chimps, Gorillas, and other more violent species of monkeys like, say, the Baboons. Additionally, there are few documented cases of Orangutan violence against humans (some exceptions are there but even so, human fatalities resulting from Orangutan attacks are virtually unheard of). Their interspecies conflicts are also far less violent than the other Great Apes. Similarly, the way they interact (both with humans and among themselves), is certainly unique to the Orangutan community, often marked by a certain wide-eyed curiosity and comparatively greater degree of emotional intelligence. I do believe that they Orangutans have been less studied, possibly because their behaviour doesn't attract as much attention or headlines. Which, in a way, is why they are naturally associated with inner wisdom thus being seen as 'old men of the forests' by native populations.
@@LifeisaHorrorMovie I know only two words in Indonesian/Malay, one of which Orang. Orang Indonesia means the Indonesian People. Orang Malaysia means the Malaysian People. Orang Utan are the Forest People.
The chimpanzee had jumped out of her car and was running around downtown long before he attacked that poor woman. Maybe the dispatcher didn't know, but the PD definitely knew about Travis.
@@jameskim1505 exactly! It wasn’t the chimp’s nature alone that did this. Not saying it couldn’t have been, but that wasn’t the case here. Casual geographic has a whole episode about this and yeah: they fucked up more than Travis tbh.
Okay, so Travis was not an alcoholic or anything. When they say that he could drink a glass of wine with dinner, they're talking about it in a sense that he was capable or allowed to. That doesn't mean he was constantly getting drunk or being allowed to drink. As far as the xanax goes, we don't know what dosage she was giving him, but it's safe to assume it probably wasn't a full dose. And it's already been theorized that the xanax had lowered his inhibitions. But evidence has shown that chimps become more aggressive as they age, that they're very possessive of the things they own, that they hold grudges, and that they're easily provoked and retaliate to perceived aggression.
I would imagine that reading the accounts of people going back a few generations would be most enlightening. My grandfather, for example, was an honest humble man but with no education, however he knew more about chimp behaviour than most anyone today because he shared his workplace with one. He was a deep sea diver and the captain had a chimp as a pet. They'd be out at sea for months at a time. He said jealousy was a major thing with him. The captain ended up throwing him overboard because he got upset one day, smashed all the equipment and attacked the captain.
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I was listening to a story from a zoo care taker. He told me that when he would walk by the chimp enclosure one of the chimps would stick his arm through the cage and hold his hand out and waving his hand acting friendly and inviting the guy closer. They guy finally got closer and touched the chimps hand because that is what it looked like the chimp wanted. Well as soon as the guy touched the chimp the chimp grabbed his hand pulled it through the cage and started biting the guys hand. He eventually managed to pull away but not before his hand was seriously messed up.
He was probably suffering for a while. He also had no proper social skills. On the day of the attack, he had a freak out and his owner gave him Xanax to calm down. The owner got scared and could've also signaled for Travis to be scared. The friend who got mauled had to babysit Travis on occasion, but new he was a risk. When she showed up to the help, she had one of Travis's toys. Travis was upset, scared and drugged
He was on prescription drugs. They treated him like a person. The husband/father died. Chimp got sad. Mum gave him drugs.... Friends face got ripped off. Not to mention the wine. Who the fuck gets a chimp drunk.
Travis and other chimps are not supposed to be "pets." The humans mistreat these animals. It's animal abuse. The chimps are supposed to be out in the wild in their home. The bad humans are really more to blame than the chimps because it is really the humans abuse that makes the chimps even more dangerous than they would be naturally.
On top of the struggles inherent in being raised like a species he wasn't, one of his "parents" died. Imagine not being able to express your trauma because no one around you will ever be able to understand your language. No wonder he was on a ton of drugs.
These things share over 98% of our DNA. To underestimate the idea that one could have a bad day and rip your face off is just foolish. Anyone trying to domesticate one of these wild animals that can easily overpower us, have to know what they’re in for, and if they don’t, they’re just naive.
finally someone that gets it. nature by its definition is not supposed to be a beautiful harmonic relationship of earth and animals. one the contrary, it is a vicious battle of survival where each species has to evolve and adapt to their changing surroundings to survive. millions of species have gone extinct way before humans stepped onto the scene.
@@Jakkaroobut its true. Do you think animals survive in the wild by being nice? Humans are just evolved enough to establish moral codes. And if even more advanced species like humans with established moral structures can still commit violence and brutality, what makes you think that chimps and nature in general ISNT 10000x more brutal? Maybe youre the one who shouldnt vote if youre this naive. Stating facts about how animal ecosystems work isnt painting the world as a "dark fantasy".
Goodall observed two females, a mother daughter team. Names were Pom and Passion. They stole infants from subordinate females and ate them in front of the grieving mothers. Jane said it was horrifying. When the daughter gave birth she avoided her mother which is not common in chimp society. The horror came to an end when a virulent disease ended the life of the mother in this duo. You can read it in Jane Goodalls book
All part of nature. People like to romanticize nature and wild animals. Birds of prey eat each other in the nest as they grow. Survival of the fittest.
Do you mean literally all non-domesticated animals? For example, many of the reptiles (including birds), bugs, amphibians, and fish that people commonly keep as pets might not be considered properly "domesticated."
@@_ata_3there is room for some nuance I think. I don’t think bearded dragon owners are hurting anything….that said people owning pythons is clearly insane.
There are a number of animals that have a theory of mind. A scrub jay will go bury a peanut, but if they know that a competitor saw them do it, they will go back later, dig it up, and bury it somewhere else. I suspect that the more we test, the more common we will find other creatures also have a theory of mind. All the characteristics we thought made humans special are falling by the wayside one by one.
I used to think chimps were cute and cuddly too -- until I saw the video of a hairless chimp. It's so jacked that there's no doubt in my mind it could easily overpower and kill a human being if it wants to.
does the worlds eco system depend on chimps and apes ? would it collapse like it would if lets say all birds disappeared ? do chimps and apes play a key role in the revolving success of ecological perpetuity
The part around the @21:00 minute mark is actually fascinating.. How the heck are they so good at that? It's impressive enough that they were able to teach them how to interact with the computer & the order of the numbers in general..
The story about Travis, honestly reminds me that as a species, we should really stop having this "patronizing" attitude towards nature or animals in general. Even wildly domesticated animals, like dogs, are just a few steps away from their ancestral nature; I remember when I used to live in a city with a high percentage of street dogs, and they would form packs and inhabit the enviroment much more like wolves than "normal" domesticated dogs. One such time I found myself surrounded by such a pack. I was just strolling around (going back home from work, that dayI had decided to walk) and all of a sudden I have like five strays around me, violently barking and such. I just tried to remain calm, hold my ground, not make sudden movements and most importantly, always directly face them. Eventually they relented, but given their body language I have no doubt in my mind that had I tried to run away, or attack myself, I would have found myself mauled by the pack. I know I just went into a tangent that has nothing to do with chimps, but also learning about the intelligence of animals like orcas, and now the story with Travis, it makes me think that as a species we have lost a lot of healthy respect towards the other creatures. It's not so much that they are "more" or "less" intelligent: it's just that they do what they do, and like us they evolved perfectly to be really good at it.
Which down to western culture and our societies security. We don’t have to fight each day to survive whith wild animals being a real threat to survival . I once saw a documentary about one of the last hunter gatherer tribes and they said their biggest concern in life are lions . Basically we live so secure that we lost the awareness and sense of danger wild animals command
I don't know if you've ever heard about this, but the Gombe Chimpanzee War, which lasted ten years, had multiple instances where some of the chimps seemed to have held back during the attacks, leaving the victims alive for a few days before they expired from their injuries. I think it's natural to think that the Chimps might have recognised their former clan mates, and might've held back a bit because of said recognition.
Chimps can literally laugh, at you, and feel sad or embarrassed. Angry and affectionate. That's about all the emotional spectrum you need along with an individual personality to be certain a chimp is conscious about causing suffering in the same sense as a human
Leave them in the wild where they belong. Stop trying to make these wonderful animals into domestic pets or children. Any animal that belongs in the wild would get mad being caged with limited room to enjoy their natural habitat. It’s stupid not to recognize that. Duh!
Chimps are definitely the most fascinating animal. They can come up with their own individual actions that other groups don't necessarily share or even know about. They can *understand other animal languages*. They are so much more than the 'funny hairy monkey' pulling faces and making noises at you at the zoo. They are f---ing AWESOME. (Disclaimer: they have been a Top 3 animal for me for as long as I can remember, and are probably my #1 as an adult. Only elephants and other Great Apes even come close. So please excuse me as I geek out about them.)
@@dan74695 Yes! I love both species. When I was younger, my Mum gave me an issue of Scientific American with an article on how bonobos are the only species apart from humans to have non-reproductive sex, and I was obsessed.
I totally get the elephants in the top 3, but it confuses me you would put chimps. It’s like if someone was into large spiders. They are hideous and they will rip people’s faces off. I’m thinking lions or tigers could bump the chimp on your top 3. And round it out with orca maybe?
I saw the chimp and the bonobo exhibits at the Hogle Zoo in Utah during one visit. The greater chimp exhibit was horrifying. It wasn't because of the treatement of them or anything else. It was how the chimps were viewing the spectators: with sheer hate and with murderous eyes.
Plus there’s the fact that a few of those chimps actually attacked one of the zookeepers at Hogle Zoo back in the late 90’s, there was even a silverback gorilla attack on a zookeeper that occurred in the same zoo just a couple years prior to the chimp attack, but thankfully the gorilla attack wasn’t as severe as the chimp attack.
to be fair, zoos are basically prisons. most people would be mad too if some other species took them out of their homes and put them in an enclosed space to be looked at by other species
Well, to an animal kept in a zoo, their enclosure is their territory. So you have a highly territorial animal, where day after day hordes of creatures that look similar and will most likely be perceived as rival primates, congregate and hang around the edges of said territory, provocatively staring (prolonged direct eye contact is a challenge). No wonder they get pissed off.
I disagree with the analysis of that game where the chimps had to guess the other's strategy. The fact that their results were closer doesn't necessarily mean they have superior strategic thinking, rather it could mean that they have a smaller repertoire of potential strategies, thus it's easier for them to guess what another chimp will do.
This game is about the Nash equilibrium and the optimal strategy is randomizing . The point of it that humans don’t perfectly randomize but rather based what they do on what others are doing or what they think others are doing so they are not playing the game optimal. Humans copy other humans behavior much more than using any rational strategy , you can also observe that with investment strategies ect . Chimps don’t have that problem but also have much less sophisticated social structures
“If we were bees, ants or Lacedaemonian warriors, to whom personal fear does not exist and cowardice is the most shameful thing in the world, warring would go on for ever. But luckily we are only men - and cowards.” Erwin Schrödinger WHAT IS LIFE
@@RedHair651 There are quite a few studies pointing to skeletal adaptation with heavy use of certain muscles, and some of them studied phalanges directly, so it seems true enough for me to make a comment on youtube about it :)
I think chimp do have awarness of violence and suffer. But i think as you said we dont have do see it in human way. Their are different than human and do what they need to do to survive on their own way. We only can judge humans behavior.
You had me shaking my head in agreement with you on almost every point. I think chimps are aware of the pain they can cause but because they are wild animals at the end of the day, they do what they gotta do. Not to mention us we are aware of the pain we can inflict but that hardly ever stops us. Educational and thought provoking video as usual. Keep up the good work.
… Who’s to say _WE_ don’t, quote, _“do what (we) gotta do”_ too…? Why do you give chimps a pass? Does the possibility of the reality displease you so much that you refuse to acknowledge it?
Yeah that lady was giving Travis daily doses of Xanax with his 🍷 and was in shock with what he did when she tried to cut him off!! Unfortunately her friend was the one to pay the ultimate price 🤦🏾♂️
I think it very arrogant to assume there are no evil chimps, because they are wild animals. Or animals. All our fellow critters are all individuals, just like us, and some among them are cruel and like to see others suffer, while others are kind and gather around a young mother who's lost her baby to comfort her with hugs and grooming.
Yup. Anyone who's been around animals knows they most certainly have individual personalities and some are more gentle and some are more aggressive etc. It's not a stretch to think some have different motivations than others.
@@jasondashney This Travis was using a computer to surf the internet and play games, nowhere does it state which games, but he certainly had preferences. I know several dogs who enjoy teasing smaller ones until they cry out in fear, while I know just as many who'll step in at a situation like this and chastise the bully. Others again be sweet on their own, but when they see a bullying taking place, they happily join in. Just like us. I had a car ride with a Kenian writer once, three decades ago, who told me, that, while Western Behavioural Scientists still thought it a fact that lions, when they take over from an old patriarch kill him as well as all his cups to make room for their own offspring. But while that happens, all other scenarios happen as well, and several groups had been observed where the new patriarch happily played with the cups and raised them to be his loyal followers... The closer you look, the bigger the world gets.
@ well, so are we. Animals, very closely related in body and habits. Some of us rejoice in helping others, some in harming their fellow creatures. The latter are what we call evil. There are Chimpanzees that are kind and nourishing, loyal to their friends, sweet to children. And there are some that enjoy beating up their own, brutally throw a baby out of their way and keep their mate in fear, and I'd call those evil. Same with dogs. Some like bullying smaller ones, some join them and form a group of tormentors, others indignantly butt in to help the weak ones... If you believe animals are angels, you must not be very observant of your surroundings.
The way I see it, Humans and chimpanzees are alike, not just evolutionary, but also behaviorally. We are both capable of being wholesome and remarkable creatures but also capable of being forces of wrath and destruction
This was an INCREDIBLE documentary Stephanie! But one question about the Planet Wild conservation efforts: What is to keep the bees from spreading further into the elephant's territory and pushing them into other territories? I know elephants travel far anyway but could this method not cause them to move into areas they do not generally ever enter?
People that have chimpanzee's as pets are absolutely insane in my opinion. And yeah, I absolutely believe that they are aware of the suffering violence causes.
So what do you think? Do chimps have awareness of the suffering violence causes?
And remember to check out some of the amazing conservation videos made by our friend's at Planet Wild planetwild.com/r/realscience/m10
Humans!! Read my comment!
What does the word INSANE mean .. if even biology is mentally ill. Think about it. The makers of this video are biological entities .. and possibly insane ? Logic fault?
Humans are the most Violent animals, look up factory farms, killed off 69% of Wildlife in 50 years while we doubled
"[...] there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." -- Shakespeare
I was taught that we all have to dissociate in order to kill (which is natural) and that what we should be connected to is an awareness of the reason why we're doing it -- is it a good reason or is it just out of sadism, power trip, etc.? Maybe the real problem with us humans is how outwardly focused we've become at the expense of inward examination of ourselves and how much we live in our heads instead of our bodies? How much we live fearing the future or regretting the past and how little we're living right here in the present?
It's a topic SO much more worthy than what I've written, but I'm tired so it'll have to do.
They “justify” their actions im sure, so and so got more, this is “unfair” so we’ll even the score. The pain and suffering was the punishment thus the understanding exactly what they are doing and probably care little whether the victim knows why. Chimps obviously get mad when feeling betrayed much like humans.
1:52 "Do they have the capacity to understand the atrocities they commit?" ... that capacity isn't even consistent among humans.
100%, sadly...
"Capacity"? Seriously?
Life is violent, across all species! Violence, stealing, murder is integral part of nature! Thats how we evolved,
Who are you to expect them to have "capacity" to exclusively human notions of justice and nonviolence?
How would it sound to you if some animal will expect you to have capacity to digest grass or understand whale language or roam naked coz should have fur??
i like to think that the only reason the chimpanzees and gorillas survived in africa amongst the great apes is because they maintained physical superiority over humans. Think about how many species that were driven to extinction despite having bigger brains...
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The point is they make a decision one way or another not the extent of the decision which is logical because they don't know how far the enemy with go. They don't know if the enemy will go for a kill therefore they must go for a kill.
Fun fact: While you speak about Jane Goodall in the past tense, it might surprise you to know that Goodall is still alive today (September of 2024)
@@TurboSquare2000 I heard that statements like that are racist as fuck
@@TurboSquare2000 I heard she studies your family
@@TurboSquare2000always has 😏
@@TurboSquare2000 Bless your heart
@@TurboSquare2000 you're about as noble as a sewer rat
I spoke to a zoo worker once who told me he was terrified of them. He said if a gorilla saw a bird in its enclosure it would watch it and maybe play with it but a chimp would rip it apart limb from limb. He said no primate makes deliberate genocidal war against its rivals of the same species apart from chimps and humans.
People : Lemme have a pet chimp!
Bro , you want a 4 year old with bodybuilder strength and little self control?!
Some girl's boyfriend...
@@fghsingingwhite girl no doubt
@@Nomaswearefull Racist
@@hydoffdhagaweyne1037 always playin that card yo
@@Nomaswearefull I am talking about myself
Growing up in the 50s chimps were seen as cute, funny and cuddly while gorillas were portrayed as savage beasts in so many movies. Interesting how many times human stereotypes are wrong.
Chimps are really friendly in the wild and should be approached as often as possible to get them used to human interaction. Usually they just want to play reindeer games or consume alcohol which helps the animal become closer to jesus and therefore more friendly and calm.
@@jennyanydots2389 What?
@@jennyanydots2389Its true, i was the alcohol
@@origaminefretami3480 Nay, it was all a hoax to frame up that monkey in a scheme to steal the elections. Chimps actually run some of the underground world government, they are just pretending to be wild animals but are really alien plants sent here to monitor the humans and report back to the lizard people who live on the dark side of the moon currently but will be moving to take over the earth after Trump wins the election even though Camel-a will try everything to rig it up like in 2020 how they rigged it up... but not this time brugh, we got our stuff together this time brugh!!
noone lives amongs them so those who make the stereotypes have no basis, just movies, while most stereotypes are pretty accurate most of the times
Chimps are terrifying, I have no idea how some folks find them cute. I think if I saw one on the loose I'd be instantly frightened of it.
One thing we accomplished for sure is that humans cornered the market of gullibility.
I feel same way about people.
You would be far more likely to survive an encounter with a silverback gorilla than you would an adult male chimp.
OK in a space capsule.
@@DeMan59true. Gorillas will use give a clear danger signal ( bluff charge, etc). With chimps, it’s less clear to us humans. Orangutans aren’t usually violent, but a scientist once taught an orangutan how to start a fire successfully, so I’ll leave that here.
Travis' story is just so heartbreaking. Initially I had some sympathy for Sandra, but then I learned that when she took Travis in, Travis' mother was so devastated by the separation that they had to put her down. That is when my sympathy vanished. Plus she admitted to spiking his tea with Xanax during his final days (which indicates that there were more issues with his behavior than she lead others to believe). Caution needs to be taken when prescribing this type of medication to humans, let alone a heavyset, musclebound wild animal. Sandra's grief over the loss of her loved ones ended up costing two chimpanzees their lives and the horrific maiming of a friend. Not every animal was meant to be domesticated.
Complete and utter assholes.
Xanax is known to cause paradoxical agitation, aggression and violence in some people (it acts like alcohol in the body) so prescribing it to a depressed and morbidly obese chimp was fool hardy. The chimp was also addicted to junk food, so this likely perpetuated his mental decline.
No animal was "meant" to be domesticated. The reason some animals have been domesticated is that human captured wild animals, whose behavior was unmanageable, and practiced selective breeding upon them for generation after generation until eventually they got docile animals whose behavior they could manage. The shorter the period between birth and sexual maturity and ability to reproduce that an animal had, the more rapidly docile animals could be derived from unmanageable animals. For example a female dog can give birth at about 6 or 7 months of age, so within a period of 15 years, 30 new generations of dogs can be bred. During the same period of 15 years only 1 new generation of humans can be expected.
@@soilmanted good explanation.
@@slevinchannel7589 I remember professor Dave! - He's a clown and has zero credibility. I've seen a few of his "debunking" videos and they are hilarious. Other than flat earth, he debunks nothing. He's a religious zealot, only his religion is "Science! (TM)" not to be confused with science. I recommend if you want a laugh.
I cant imagine the work to create these videos, but its very much appreciated. These are fantastic
thank you! it is a lot of work!
15:48 One thing often missing from retellings of the situation with Travis: he had been given Xanax because he seemed stressed out. Xanax is an antianxiety medication _in _*_HUMANS._* But in chimpanzees, Xanax _causes _*_hallucinations._* So Travis was simultaneously stressed out _and tripping ba11s_ when he attacked.
No, _I AM NOT_ saying that Xanax was completely responsible for Travis' being viooent. Chimps _are naturally violent._ I just wanted to point out the disaster it is to take a violent wild animal, suffering from isolation- and captivity-induced stress, and give it human medication, medication leading to hallucinations.
And alcohol
Hahah anyone I know on Xanax always tries to fight and steal shit. They are slow but they try.
Not funny.
@@audreyricci6383 Not sure who you're reacting to, but a naturally violent, intelligent wild animal that's stressed and depressed and hallucinating is _definitely not funny!_ "Ticking time-bomb" is the phrase that comes to mind…
I'm calling cap. In what way shape or form are we able to tell if a chimpanzee is experiencing hallucinations? They can't describe anything they may see or hear to us for us to conclude they are seeing/hearing things
What's interesting about Travis's example is that despite his capacity for horrific violence, Travis never harmed his human "parents" before the final incident. I also read that when his foster parent attacked him with a knife in an attempt to save her friend, Travis appeared surprised and genuinely shocked that his family member would harm him - meaning that the attack was not an all-out rebellion against mankind, but simply an one-time reaction towards the victim (for whatever reasons unknown).
I know humanizing animals is not the correct way to interpret things, but it's quite similar to how humans can be very caring to their friends and family, but at the same time be ruthlessly cruel towards people they consider outsiders and enemies. Brutality and compassion are not contradicting factors within the same intelligence.
your last comment reminds me of those mob bosses who insist on family and protecting them yet being responsible for the deaths of hundreds.
I ask myself wich could be a concivable logic reason to interpret humanity as something exceptional in all possible ways...
To belive it could be a different stuff you need to belive that the non human animals, all together, in a big group that don't comprehend just us, are simultaniosly totally unaware of the consequence of their actions and any social bonding convention while being also able to deal some precise strike with the precise intent to harm/kill the victim (either for predation, defense, therritory, riproduction, etc.) and hold on on social structures while doing it. Like a sort of oxymoronic randomically predeterminated path.
OP: "similar to how humans can be very caring to their friends and family, but at the same time be ruthlessly cruel towards people they consider outsiders and enemies." I have 2 dogs that do this as well. They can be very protective of us, yet very gentle and calm toward us. Outsiders are definitely viewed with more suspicion than family until we give the okay for them to greet guests as friends. They also seem to "understand" who they can and cannot jump on, like they avoid jumping up on old people or tiny people. It's like they know they can hurt others by being too rowdy.
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Maybe the lady who got attacked was talking shit 🤷
No matter if already knew all this because I’m a huge nature doc nerd. The way Stephanie breaks everything down and explains things is so good. Love all your videos. Thanks for making this in depth, easy to fallow videos for us nature enthusiasts.
Her videos are always a little bit better than incredibly excellent.
She did some errors and average human will have generally 50% on a new born but this can drastically change depending on what you do and can go up to 80% ok certain sports
Also she forgot to say chimps are only 1.5times stronger than the average man in pulling strength alone
Also the claim that a chimp can rip you face of with 1 swing this is completely false as that woman was being munched on for hours and only got her face and wrist damage
Also the idea that they are agressive chimps are quite nice actually that chimp war lasted 4 years with only 8 casualties
Chimps are also 'ot agressive in their group they will rarely attack each other and it's not for dominance as their system and social structure is based around how much they are liked and they do stuff like grooming bringing foods playing around to be more liked
@@omarsali2990 Wrong.
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt where ?
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt oh yeah my bad they are 1.5 times stronger PROPORTIONALLY in pulling strength we are still stronger (talking about the average guy who doesn't train)
I remember reading a while ago someone's account of working in a zoo. They were new and were responsible for filling the food bowls in some of the cages. The one in the chimp cage had been moved further back and they were about to reach in to grab it when another employee pulled them back in horror. When they looked into the cage properly they should see a chimp waiting, hiding and watching them. They realised it had been a trap and if they'd reached in the chimp probably would have mauled their arm. And that's when they became terrified of chimps. To know they're not only wild, violent animals, but ones with theory of mind, capable of planning and strategizing is chilling.
I hear that people in Africa are actually more afraid of chimps than they are of lions. Lions don't sneak into the village under cover of darkness and steal babies out of their cribs. And they don't maim when they attack, they just kill you as quickly as possible and are done.
>And they don't maim when they attack
The reason is obvious - chimps don't hunt people for food, while lions do. There is no reason to maim when you intent to eat. I doubt people in Africa more prefer to be eaten than maimed.
africa isnt full of villages lil bro.
@devanov3103awwww that was a cute insult
@devanov3103it's a bit racist to call Africa not developed.
@devanov3103 It isn't full of villages There are many developed areas in Africa.
thinking that an animal that shares 98.8% dna with us would be nonviolent, pacifistic, or unproblematic is just naive..
We share 98.7% of our DNA with Bonobos and they've never been recorded killing each other. So, that's factually accurate, not naive. But I agree, chimps are much closer to us in terms of behavior.
@@rainbow_doglover8301 ohh i didn’t know that, that’s a very good point. writing needlessly pessimistic / nihilistic comments is kinda tempting lol, so that’s my bad. interesting that we’re so closely related to both bonobos and chimps, they’re sorta like the two sides of what we could be.. tho yea i feel like we do often skew closer to chimp-like behavior
The duality of monke
I think it naive in general to assume one way or another
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Any animal can be dangerous but one with intelligence can be dangerous on a whole new level
All animals have intelligence.
@@katizz988 strawman
@@katizz988 well, Trump is an example that say's different.
When you give an animal to ability to communicate in a way humans can understand eg recordable buttons, their intelligence is easily recognised.
Intelligence simply scales better
A RUclips video with a human narrator! Awesome! She doesn't mispronounce words with odd spellings, she does not use excessive adjectives, and she doesn't show photos or videos stolen from someone else's story. I have seen AI videos where the narrator shows a photo of a starfish while talking about an octopus. This is an interesting and informative video narrated by a lovely young lady who actually knows what she is talking about! Excellent job!
AI narration sucks, but this person's narration is truly boring.
I agree, the AI videos are super annoying. I had the same issue, but then I started pressing "not interested" under every video I saw like that. It really helps so that you don't see them as much!
@stompthedragon4010 were you expecting her to sing a song to make the video more interesting?
Creepy. Why "lovely young lady"
Then stop watching AI slop... it's really that easy... on the rare occasions it's pushed to me it's reported for repulsive content, spam, and misinformation. The algorithm pushes what you watch and comment on. Stop watching and commenting on AI crap
You should do a video on Bonobos, our other closest relative, they're so different to chimps
Bonobos are the western civilization 😂
@@xsliquiditywhat?
Where's the fun for researchers watching bonobos peacefully co-existing
@@iminabrons sex, drvgs and rock and roll. And above all, a matriarchy. And a case where feminists do not intentionally make themselves unattractive
@@xsliquidity delusional
I live in Stamford. That lady from the body shop and her chimp Travis were pretty infamous, even before he ate her friend's face.
Whoever thought it was a good idea to feed a wild primate benzos was out of their mind.
She was bigger problem than her chimp
@@jimurrata6785 What really pisses me off is that after the car incident, a law was passed prohibiting the ownership of primates weighing more than 50 pounds. All well and good, except they didn't enforce the law on Sandra, the ONE PERSON IN CONNECTICUT AT THE TIME WITH A PRIMATE FOR A PET! Excellent work all around...🤦
It wouldve happened sooner without the benzos.
What are benzos?
@@mastershooter64 mood-altering downer-drugs. Benzodiazepine was one of the first commercially-successful drugs of the class, but there have been numerous others over the years, with various effects and side effects, and each one useful for treating specific psychiatric disorders (such as chronic anxiety, ccrippling phobias, etc.) or neurological conditions (such as seizure disorders). Basically, anti-anxiety sedatives. Think "Xanax."
For someone who *has* a condition that the drug is designed to treat, it can be life-improving. If it's given / taken all willy nilly, you can get some pretty vivacious issues -- imagine how cranky or irritable a person can be if they're chronically sleep-deprived. Imagine how uncomfortable it would be to be prevented from going to sleep (such as from a fire alarm) AFTER taking a sleep medication like Ambien, or even something milder like Benadryl.
Now put that in the body of a 150kg wild animal that has a lot of human-like emotional intelligence, but no ability to "talk through" their negative feelings like a human can. No ability to "count to ten" as a method of keeping their anger in check.
... Yeah.
The "we share 98.8% DNA with them" fact really does not seem so significant if you realise we share 60% of our DNA with fruit flies, bananas and Chickens. And astonishingly 90% with cats. Obviously they are very similar to us, but those 1.2% difference is much more than the number makes it seem to be
Huh? I don't share DNA with a fruit fly tf
Bananas Have been getting planted by humans for thousands of years so of course they do get human dna because they keep touching bananas and their seeds to plant them and fruit flies eat human stuff or maybe they are just sharing dna in other ways or most likely touching stuff that has human saliva like food and some left over fruits and cats and dogs also have been with humans for more than thousands of year but also ten thousands of years so it is accurate why they share sooo many dna
Bananas Have been getting planted by humans for thousands of years so of course they do get human dna because they keep touching bananas and their seeds to plant them and fruit flies eat human stuff or maybe they are just sharing dna in other ways or most likely touching stuff that has human saliva like food and some left over fruits and cats and dogs have been with humans for more than thousands of year but more also ten thousands of years so it is accurate why they share sooo many dna
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An extremely even handed, logical, and scientifically unbiased approach to this subject which is quite refreshing to be honest. Thanks for the hard work on this video. An extremely engaging watch.
Shcientific? 😂
Had to fight autocorrect to post that reply. Struggle is real my friends
"Humans are the only animal on the planet that wages war"
Chimps: Hold my mom's skull
Edit: _"I guess you haven't heard of..."_ This is why English class is important. Appreciate the significance of quotation marks.
Ants, who were waging wars for the last 140 million years: *Amateurs!*
Trees have been waging wars for Eons.
Matter and Anti-Matter:
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Wolf packs, hyenas, lion prides have all entered the chat
I'll never understand why some people have them as pets. They're too unpredictable and powerful, and not meant to be domesticated, regardless how "nice" their handlers are.
Because humans think they can train wild animals into submission
Some people have tigers.
Some people are clearly insane.
@@Yora21 tigers might be bad but chimps are far worse
While we may be higher on the intellectual ladder; we don’t rank much higher on common sense scale; in fact, likely lower.
I doubt half or more of chimp owners know what they're capable of suddenly doing..
They gave Travis Xanax and wine 😅 wtf did they think might happen. Valuable lesson learned I hope...
The "owner" offed herself, so lesson wasted. 🙄
Oh. Didn't hear that part. Well lesson wasted on her, but hopefully not lost on other humans hopefully 😒
Sounds like Travis was secretly a house wife
What were they thinking having a dangerous wild animal in their home ?
Ha ha! So funny... NOT.
“Ask any zookeeper which animal they fear the most, if they don’t say chimpanzee they’ve never worked with one”
- Casual Geographic
@عبدالرحمنعبدالله-ز4م people get to see animals in person, and learn about them, and the creatures get taken care of all the while. What’s not to like about zoos?
I was really hoping you’d at least seen casual geographic to be honest. Or have you?
I’ll tell you what’s depraved: human zoos existed! 😳
Do with that information what you will, drink water, hug your mother, and have a good one!
@@goodbye6676 Pets? Kids (technically)? Are you saying those are unethical? In every case, they’re better off than in the wild!
Why the fuck am I getting all the bad comments?! I just wanted to make someone laugh, but everyone is naming “flaws” with zoos.
Animals aren’t tortured in zoos or forced to work, they’re literally taken care of their whole time there! Something like slavery, that was very wrong, I couldn’t disagree more with that, but a zoo? Or what about the previously mention human zoos? Those existed! And no one here gives a fuck because it’s all bad things here and no laughs!
For real can there be one person that has seen CG and gets my quote?! He’s got over 1m subscribers, how has no one here seen him?!
@عبدالرحمنعبدالله-ز4م Underrated comment. And possibly the wisest. Zoos are for fools.
To paraphrase Casual Geographic, "He didn't go violent, he went chimp." Casual has opinions on people who treat chimps like that.
I was just gonna say that none of this is particularly surprising because he already broke any illusion that tips are the nicer side of our clade.
Thank you! I hate when idiots on social media with pet baby chimps say, "don't worry, we're experts, our chimps won't go crazy on anyone..."
They don't go crazy, they go chimp... They're ruthless and violent with each other, why would they have any reverence for us?!
Heartbreaking how selfish some ppl are
@@Townie123 it's ignorant is what it is: thinking you know better, to the physical detriment of another.
@Townie123 the Primate Safety Act is going through Congress atm. Write your local politician and encourage them to pass it. Sadly, places like ZWF and MBS will be allowed to continue, but not traffic or import new chimps. Let's put sanctuaries out of business by not giving those petting zoos patronage, money, views,likes, etc
@@LindaC616 Completely agree, those people are embarrassing and talentless, but because the public sincerely loves animals, vampires, like MBS, can exploit them.
Chimp ownership will soon be illegal in all 50 states.
"Violence is a pilllar of their highly sophisticated society." But enough about humans, this video is about Chimps.
Violence is byproduct of intelligence. Look at all the smarter species, they all have questionable moral compasses.
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Your (glib) remark against the quote is idiotic.
The social glue of Human societies is PEACEFUL cooperation. Every single human society based upon fear and naked power that has ever been has collapsed within a generation. Go ahead. Try to prove me wrong.
@@v1e1r1g1e1bro chill out ok , I believe you
Bonobos are just as fascinating as chimps. They're just as closely related to us and just as intelligent, but they're not violent that often. I also think they look more like humans than chimpanzees do. Bonobos have more human-like faces and they walk on two legs quite often.
They like sex too
Both chimps and bonobos split from their predecessors about 7 million years ago. Bonobos had the luck of being south of the Congo River where food was plentiful and there was less need to fight over it. It is a myth that they are non-violent primates, choosing to solve social issues through wild, crazy, uninhibited sexual orgies. While they get after it like teenagers on viagra, they can indeed be violent towards one another. Their tendency is to simmer everyone down by amorous family interactions, which is why I think people in Arkansas are so easygoing and chill!
@@robertbluestein7800 I know bonobos can be violent, but they seem to be violent way less often than chimpanzees. Also, bonobos and chimps split from each other only 2 million years ago, way after they split off from us.
So are mice. That's why they are overwhelmingly used in lab studies.
@@squashua16 No, they are nowhere near as closely related to us.
The Chimp Travis was given Xanax by the owner, and was diagnosed with Lyme disease. He attacked Nash when she held his favorite toy, trying to coax him back inside after the owner asked her for help since she couldn't get him back in, saying he was acting 'erratically', which most likely means he was in pain from his disease at the time, and drugged up, given no other evidence.
Just my opinion, but taking the favorite toy of a 200 pound chimp drugged and in pain to coax him inside was obviously not a good idea.
It's insightful how you point that out. You're absolutely right! It's horrifying how Travis's distress signals were completely ignored. Taking away his favorite toy and trying to coax him must have been incredibly disrespectful and humiliating. It's like they completely disregarded his need for space and his inherent nature as a powerful animal. It's a tragedy that his pleas for help were ignored, and it highlights the importance of understanding and respecting animal behavior.
The well-being of a chimpanzee like Travis requires a deep understanding of their complex needs, including the need for a substantial territory. It's evident that his guardians have failed to provide this level of care.
Chimp politics caught me off guard, they did Goliath dirty Fr.
Travis has been given a Xanax, which even in humans can induce so-called paradoxical reactions, aka suicidal or aggressive behaviour.
More than one.
Sandy was stupid or crazy (or both)
I was hooked on these but I liked to sleep so glad I didn’t use them to go out and maybe go crazy.
...This RUclipsr specializes on presenting and summarizig Science, which is nice, but the Work of Professor Dave, who debunks Pseudoscience and Frauds is not to be underestimated. It's very important work so i recommend his recent Terry Howard videos
At least 3 pills. And Travis usually drunk wine.
It is insane that the chimpanzees created a buffer state and when it was destroyed, war broke out.
Literally what humans still do to this day.
Absolutely!
Ukraine.
"INSANE"???????
What an overused, undereducated word to use!
@@childofthe60s100 My sincere apologies, oh wise prophet, I shall use "extremely impressive" from now on to appease you, your highness.
@@zaidal-wadi LOL
@21:56 the fact that they know how to count/know the order of the numbers is impressive in and of itself.
Thank you so much for quoting 1.5x pound per pound strength, instead of just taking that stupid overused false claim that chimps are 4x stronger than humans. This is one of the only times I think I saw a person genuinely want to report info instead of just use sensationalist clickbait. Amazing work as always.
Maybe 1.5 times *pure* strength, but most of us can't tap into our full potential.
@macethorns1168 😅 per pound means alot more than 4 times stronger
@@macethorns1168 Also chimps have a greater ratio of fast twitch muscles vs humans more stamina focused perfornance.
@@Deltathegoldenretriever Not really. The average weight of an adult man globally is around 136.7 pounds (according to google), while chimp males have weights ranging from 88 to 130 pounds. They are like twice as strong if you account for weight.
@@macethorns1168because your muscles and tendons would literally tear away from the bone, that’s also a myth
7:25"Chimps are arguably the most violent of any of the great apes... Besides humans" that was perfect 😂
made me cream my pants
Still, I’ll take my chances on a room with a random human than a random chimp. Same goes for sharks, mambas, and crocodiles. It’s a numbers game. Increase your exposure to anything and the risk goes up accordingly.
@@JM1993951 of course different species will be more harmfull to us than we are to ourselves, but if we take two sharks together, are they going to be more harmful to each other than we do to ourselves?
Is it really that surprising that chimps are aggressive and violent? they are our closest ancestors. no wonder they are aggressive bastards lol.
Chimps are far worse.
I know of no land animal that does this regularly, even humans do that only on a very rare occassion (for comparison, we are with billions and its rare, chimps are in a few hundred thousand and its common)
There are plenty of animals who hold grudges, but they tend to just attack a human years later to show them "hey, i dont like what you did to me!"
Or kill
But chimps go full worst war crimes on anyone
20:30 not gonna lie that number test was insane, their brains recorded and stored them in the blink of an eye
I got to the point of fixing onto a single number but then lost it as soon as it was covered. I fear I'm a loss to all of humanity.
Please don’t lie
The closest I can think of is when we remember what was burned into our eyes by a lightning flash.
If we see something emitting a coloured pattern, however, we remember that pattern in reverse colour.
It seems our ancestors had that capacity, but due to evolution they traded it for another interesting skill: language.
INSANE???????????????????????
What an undereducated word to use!!!!
Chimps both fascinate and frighten me. The babies are adorable but when they hit chimp puberty they're no longer usable as performers, actors, or pets. In the 1960s there were some batshit crazy chimp studies where babies were raised in human families and taught to communicate through sign language. It didn't go well-the chimps broke out and terrorized the neighborhoods they were in, separating them from their human "parents" broke their hearts to the point some wasted away from despair, and the methods of recording the ape signing were suspect at best.
Overall, I'd leave them in the forest where they belong.
90 kg male Chimp with 1.5 times the muscle strength of a human man, that isnt a pet, thats a captive monster.
For real, it's like having a toddler with the body of a strongman. A tantrum can immediately become deadly
It's neither. It's a wild animal and needs to be respected as such.
No, the monsters are the people who put it in that situation in the first place.
And 1.5x is prob a conservative estimate. Google hairless chimps.. absolute units 😂
I could kick its ass.
Young children have almost photographic memory before they can read and write. It seems to me that chimpanzees’s illiteracy is what frees up that part of the brain to use for memory.
A study showed that if you (temporarily) disable the left part of someone’s brain they will also show photographic memory skills and artistic skills as well. Like a young girl with brain damage who could draw horses perfectly, until the function of her left hemisphere was somehow restored.
Makes a lotta sense to me. As an autistic person I was always a good artist as a child. Now I'm a good writer as an adult. Plus I have other weird gifts like I can remember lots of experiences from childhood as if it happened yesterday. I can remember word for word what was said in conversations from years ago if there was anything that left small question marks at the time. I can then rewind several scenes and piece them together to get to the bottom of the issue. Sometimes I can even pick up on the slightest hesitation or change in behavior in someone like a human lie detector, basically a 6th sense. I have a heightened sense of taste, smell, and perception of shapes and colors. I can see the slightest of irregularity in shapes, features color. But with all of this I struggle greatly with social interaction and relationships. I have trouble understanding social norms that enable people to clique with each other. And I miss out on a lot of overt social ques. Sometimes it's all overwhelming/exhausting and I wish I could hit the power off button in my brain 😩
@@qbconnect2883That’s really cool information. Neurochemistry truly is fascinating.
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You have my admiration, for having explained yourself and for reminding me of someone lovely.
Rest as best you can, tomorrow is always something else.
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@@qbconnect2883 I don't get the sensory overload as badly as you do, but it is totally exhausting. For myself, when I get overwhelmed, I self isolate. Maybe not the best strategy, but it makes meltdowns or bad social interactions less likely.
My memory skills are similar, but I have issues with time and sequence that makes things interesting. I do have very keen kinesthetic memory, which has helped me survive and work.
Besides having an on/off switch, I wish that HR people and medical personnel had some background in how neurodivergent people experience things because it would help with interactions and improve communication. The US also needs to do this in the education system, as well, especially considering how many students are impacted.
I love this channel!!!! As an equestrian and wildlife lover ,this is hands down the best channel on RUclips. You are incredibly informative and inclusive with your scientific language. The jargon is easy to understand for beginners and your format is extremely well put together. The length of your videos is excellent. Entertaining, informative, and very educational. I recommend this channel to everyone who will listen. Hope this channel lasts forever.
😮Your people have come so far! How do you type so well with hooves?
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Jane Goodall says her favorite animal is a dog. She said apes are too unpredictable much like humans.
I believe people who keep dangerous, wild animals as pets are the most selfish people. Any aggression by that animal is a death sentence whether the animal was provoked or not. It's bad enough that a wild animal can be killed for being aggressive in its own habitat; but to consciously remove a wild animal from its kind, its home, its comfort zone, and expose it to stress and environmental factors it has zero understanding of or instincts for and then kill it when it reacts to that stress and those factors, is atrocious.
I completely agree
About 5 million dog bites per year in the USA with about 7 dying and 800k requiring medical treatment. thanks
@@joman388 Except those are domestic animals that have lived side by side with us for generations. The problem is too many people think 'domestic' means 'fluffy toy', or treat them like four-legged humans. Not to mention unscrupulous breeders who breed from behaviourally unsound stock. You end up with too many animals that have an unstable temperament and are under-socialised, and too many owners who haven't got the first idea of how to train a dog or don't understand its natural instincts. Not to mention the countless idiots who take on physically large or high-energy breeds that they can't handle, which have been bred for specific tasks. There's people who choose a dog like a fashion item, on whether they 'like the look' or whether some celebrity has that type of dog, without ever bothering to look into that breed's requirements. They think a Great Dane should be fine in a 1 bedroom city apartment, or a Siberian husky be content with a 5 min walk round the block, and then wonder why they have totally neurotic animal on their hands. Dog ownership ought to require a test like a driver's license, in the interests of both human and animal.
@@diarmuidkuhle8181 Yes pets ,especially inside pets,always cause some problems of some sort, that's life . I think they are overrated many times,especially when folks don't have children,it seems the pet becomes their child,many times. But specific pets for specific problems can be a tremendous asset. thanks
@joman388 yes same argument for dogs, selfish humans
People always make the question of whether chimps have empathy or not A LOT more complicated than it is. It's EXACTLY the same for the chimps as it is for us: we have empathy for those we consider part of "our group". It's as simple as that.
Those we include in "our group" varies immensely between people (and animals). Some only have empathy for their own family.
Some only have empathy for those of their own race.
Some only have empathy for those of their own religion.
Some only have empathy for human beings.
Some only have empathy for human beings and a select few other species we keep as pets.
Some only have empathy for other mammals.
Some only have empathy for species that can feel pain like us.
Some have empathy for all living beings (which is likely to burn them out completely because it's impossible to even exist without causing death to other living beings).
Other people may not have the same morals as you. Chimps may not have the same morals as you. That's life. There's no one true goal when it comes to the evolution of empathy - everyone draws the line differently.
Good point.
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Having empathy for all living being isn’t tiring. If something is sentient then it’s a kin of sort, and we really have no idea how far down the scale of information processing primitive sentience can go. We’re all just patterns of motion in swirly sticky stardust after all. None of this changes the fact we need to eat though. One can appreciate the cow’s or the celery plant’s sacrifice while still choosing to eat it. There’s nothing hard or depleting about it. If something else can have wants it needs what’s the harm in feeling connected to it?
@@EarthIsNotFlat no it is very tiring considering how much suffering there is in the world. You might think when you buy your meat "aw sucks that they lived shitty lives but oh well". That's sympathy, not empathy. Sympathy is great as well of course, it means that you care to some extent, but empathy makes you distressed as if it's happening to yourself.
Think if someone is stabbing your mom. You wouldn't think "aww poor thing that must really suck, she meant so much to me we were really close". No, you'd feel intense empathy.
So no, sympathy wouldn't burn you out. Empathy is definitely draining when the individuals you have empathy for are suffering. And if that empathy extends to every single living creature that's a LOT of suffering for your brain to try to deal with.
But I agree with you that we do need to eat, and creatures will die no matter what we eat. I'm not against eating meat but I do think providing them good, happy and comfortable lives and then giving them an instant and pain-free and stress-free death is the least we can do.
I can't take the thought of contributing to suffering, so I started raising my own meat animals so that I can be 100% sure that they've had great lives and as humane of a death as possible (shot to the brain-stem whilst they're happily eating grass).
A simple "thank you for your sacrifice" to an animal that had suffered wouldn't be enough to ease the distress I feel for them and what they went through.
I agree that having empathy for all living beings is exhausting and it’s because the more empathy you have, the more pain you will inevitably feel on their behalf. I think sometimes my heart can’t hurt anymore than it does and then I learn of some new injustice, some new war crime, new animal abuse, a new species being wiped out for no reason other than greed and have to try console myself by accepting that I’m doing my best to do as little harm as possible and that to continue to do so, I have to accept my limits and allow it to wash over me.
But what’s the alternative? Be cold and callous in the face of suffering? Not an option.
"Do chimpanzees know their actions will cause suffering in other individuals"
I think if certain horses can figure out how to bully you and experience satisfaction at your suffering, chimps definitely can.
Animals do not know cruelty. Humans are just unable to parse animal behaviour without plastering human motives over the behaviour.
Chimps are absolutely terrifying. People handling them makes me anxious as hell.
The whole bit about theory of mind doesn't exactly tell us much.
Humans who are extremely capable of understanding another's perspective still might not be able to feel any empathy. We call them sociopaths. Are they inherently evil? Probably not. Potentially dangerous? Certainly.
yea, i also feel like these "tests" for "empathy" are very subjective and quite possibly anthropocentric. what would an animal's "theory of mind" be like? we humans have barely cracked some of these ontological concepts like "understanding vs knowledge"... how would we be able to objectively identify such traits in other species? feels like a stretch to me, and if these animal behaviour tests were given to a professor in philosophy of the mind, they'd be able to pull it apart fairly easily.
Sociopaths learn to be that way for personal gain. Psychopaths are born that way, and they are the leaders of the world. They rise to power by stepping on anyone they need to step on, as they rise to power. If people knew what they really have been doing, there would be a worldwide revolution within minutes!!!!!!
Most Sociopaths are not dangerous (nor are Psychopaths for that matter). It's only dangerous when either of those 2 characteristics are combined with true narcissism, truly believing that you're superior to everyone and can get away with anything really messes with a person's moral compass, a lack of empathy might blunt your moral compass a little but you're not just gunna throw all morals out the window cause you don't know how someone else is feeling.
@@RenoReborn Psychopaths comprise 1% of population but 25-30% in prison (US). So you cans say they are *potentially* over dozens times more dangerous
@@RenoReborn If you're drowning, you would not want either one near you.
There's a zoo in Japan that has 3 former circus chimps. One of the chimps walks upright most of the time, not because he wants to, but because knees and hips are damaged from being forced to walk upright years ago.
Terrible what we do to these creatures
That still makes him want to do it.
Humans are sick
lion escaping in the zoo: be carfull not to cross his way, stay somewhere inside.
chimpanzee escaping in the zoo: fucking run!
The only animal where the policy is to unalive them as soon as they escape is chimps
jepp the psychopath, worked in a zoo. had a fenced like backsite on the room where the chimps where kept. they loved scratches but there was one mf who went to it with his back "asking for scratches" but as soon as you tried to scratch him he started screaming like we hurt him.
but they fear the almighty hose. even 10ml from a little syrige would be enough to scare them lol dumb fools... wait im feared of sharks in a region where the next shark i could meet is like 500km away.
Why would I tho the chances that it attacks me are low and the chances that it beats me are also low as they are usually smaller wayyy smaller than humans
@@omarsali2990brother you’re not fighting a chimp and winning. Heck I don’t even think I could kill my cat if it wanted to kill me.
You run not to outrun the chimp, you run to outrun the person next to you and let them get eaten 😂
@@CloudCoderChap a chimp is like way smaller less heavier way weaker (even pound for pound) and has less stamina and lower bone density the only thing it has is the teeth I can guarantee you of you just réalisé that you have the advantage that chimp should be scared humans have been reported to kill leopard cougars with their bare hands and on multiple occasions (I probably couldn't do that the cougar is still just as heavy as me and more has knifes for nails) any chimp even this huge Travis who was 91kg (and considered morbidly obese)in the wild the largest one ever was 68kg and they typically weight around 50kg humans win just by weight advantage a soccer kick and the chimp is one the ground tweaking
These Insane Biology videos are some of my favorite on RUclips. Always hyped when I see a new one.
I have a rulle. I dont keep anything in my house that can kill me when they want
A medium sized dog can kill fairly easily , even a cat can in the right circumstances.
My cat trying to kill me by tripping me up on the stairs would beg to differ.
So you're single? 😂
An episode about orangutans could be great, there's not a lot of content about them on youtube
They are very unique and intelligent among other animals
Was going to say the same. After all, they are not known as 'Old Man of the Forest' for nothing. Despite being part of the ape community, their general disposition and communication systems are markedly different (and in my opinion, vastly superior) from Chimps, Gorillas, and other more violent species of monkeys like, say, the Baboons.
Additionally, there are few documented cases of Orangutan violence against humans (some exceptions are there but even so, human fatalities resulting from Orangutan attacks are virtually unheard of).
Their interspecies conflicts are also far less violent than the other Great Apes. Similarly, the way they interact (both with humans and among themselves), is certainly unique to the Orangutan community, often marked by a certain wide-eyed curiosity and comparatively greater degree of emotional intelligence. I do believe that they Orangutans have been less studied, possibly because their behaviour doesn't attract as much attention or headlines. Which, in a way, is why they are naturally associated with inner wisdom thus being seen as 'old men of the forests' by native populations.
@@LifeisaHorrorMovie I know only two words in Indonesian/Malay, one of which Orang.
Orang Indonesia means the Indonesian People.
Orang Malaysia means the Malaysian People.
Orang Utan are the Forest People.
"chimps are our closest relatives."
I'm safe then. I can't stand my relatives.
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I’m just over 4 minutes in, and you’ve got a new sub! I don’t think I’ve ever subbed so quickly! Very interesting and informative, thank you!
15:06
Woman: “he’s killing my girlfriend!”
Officer: “who is killing your friend?”
Woman: “my chimpanzee!”
Officer: … 🤨😳
Remember that in the news a few years ago very sad story. Their strength and temperament is severely underestimated by most.
The chimpanzee had jumped out of her car and was running around downtown long before he attacked that poor woman.
Maybe the dispatcher didn't know, but the PD definitely knew about Travis.
The most infuriating 911 call, the guy can hear the chimp screeching in the background and he's like "who's got a gun?"
The owner should be sued but also whatever agency who knew that allowed her to keep the chimp… IMO.
I believe the owner has since passed away.
"Humans? Well, you know." That had me laughing.
Oh keep in mind that they also gave Travis Xanax, repeatedly, while he still drank. Might explain the mood swing even more
Oh Hell Nah
@@jameskim1505 exactly! It wasn’t the chimp’s nature alone that did this. Not saying it couldn’t have been, but that wasn’t the case here. Casual geographic has a whole episode about this and yeah: they fucked up more than Travis tbh.
That's a combo that will make a lot humans really violent to. (Is it "to" or "too" in this instance?)
@@KarlMySuitcase In this instance, it would be 'too', since the word means 'also'.
Okay, so Travis was not an alcoholic or anything. When they say that he could drink a glass of wine with dinner, they're talking about it in a sense that he was capable or allowed to. That doesn't mean he was constantly getting drunk or being allowed to drink. As far as the xanax goes, we don't know what dosage she was giving him, but it's safe to assume it probably wasn't a full dose. And it's already been theorized that the xanax had lowered his inhibitions. But evidence has shown that chimps become more aggressive as they age, that they're very possessive of the things they own, that they hold grudges, and that they're easily provoked and retaliate to perceived aggression.
I would imagine that reading the accounts of people going back a few generations would be most enlightening. My grandfather, for example, was an honest humble man but with no education, however he knew more about chimp behaviour than most anyone today because he shared his workplace with one. He was a deep sea diver and the captain had a chimp as a pet. They'd be out at sea for months at a time. He said jealousy was a major thing with him. The captain ended up throwing him overboard because he got upset one day, smashed all the equipment and attacked the captain.
"Those animals are hella violent. I'd stay very far away from them", says the wise chimp, glaring at the humans
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I was listening to a story from a zoo care taker. He told me that when he would walk by the chimp enclosure one of the chimps would stick his arm through the cage and hold his hand out and waving his hand acting friendly and inviting the guy closer. They guy finally got closer and touched the chimps hand because that is what it looked like the chimp wanted. Well as soon as the guy touched the chimp the chimp grabbed his hand pulled it through the cage and started biting the guys hand. He eventually managed to pull away but not before his hand was seriously messed up.
I worked at a small zoo. I tended to 2 barberous Apes....one would try and pull that niceguy hand trick with me.
My guess on the Travis thing - he was sending out distress signals that were ignored. Probably for years.
He was probably suffering for a while. He also had no proper social skills. On the day of the attack, he had a freak out and his owner gave him Xanax to calm down. The owner got scared and could've also signaled for Travis to be scared.
The friend who got mauled had to babysit Travis on occasion, but new he was a risk. When she showed up to the help, she had one of Travis's toys.
Travis was upset, scared and drugged
He was on prescription drugs. They treated him like a person. The husband/father died. Chimp got sad. Mum gave him drugs.... Friends face got ripped off. Not to mention the wine. Who the fuck gets a chimp drunk.
Travis and other chimps are not supposed to be "pets." The humans mistreat these animals. It's animal abuse. The chimps are supposed to be out in the wild in their home. The bad humans are really more to blame than the chimps because it is really the humans abuse that makes the chimps even more dangerous than they would be naturally.
I lived in Stamford at the time. Can confirm!
On top of the struggles inherent in being raised like a species he wasn't, one of his "parents" died. Imagine not being able to express your trauma because no one around you will ever be able to understand your language. No wonder he was on a ton of drugs.
These things share over 98% of our DNA. To underestimate the idea that one could have a bad day and rip your face off is just foolish. Anyone trying to domesticate one of these wild animals that can easily overpower us, have to know what they’re in for, and if they don’t, they’re just naive.
People don't get how nightmarishly brutal nature is. 99.99% of life (and thats probably a low ball) live in a never-ending nightmare existence.
finally someone that gets it. nature by its definition is not supposed to be a beautiful harmonic relationship of earth and animals. one the contrary, it is a vicious battle of survival where each species has to evolve and adapt to their changing surroundings to survive. millions of species have gone extinct way before humans stepped onto the scene.
lol, no, most animals have very chill lives
This sort of dark fantasy about the world always freaks me out. Can't help but wonder how people who think things like this vote.
@@Jakkaroobut its true. Do you think animals survive in the wild by being nice? Humans are just evolved enough to establish moral codes. And if even more advanced species like humans with established moral structures can still commit violence and brutality, what makes you think that chimps and nature in general ISNT 10000x more brutal? Maybe youre the one who shouldnt vote if youre this naive. Stating facts about how animal ecosystems work isnt painting the world as a "dark fantasy".
@@Shattered3582 I think it can be both at times but for the most part its survival.
Goodall observed two females, a mother daughter team. Names were Pom and Passion. They stole infants from subordinate females and ate them in front of the grieving mothers. Jane said it was horrifying. When the daughter gave birth she avoided her mother which is not common in chimp society. The horror came to an end when a virulent disease ended the life of the mother in this duo. You can read it in Jane Goodalls book
All part of nature. People like to romanticize nature and wild animals. Birds of prey eat each other in the nest as they grow. Survival of the fittest.
@@ehiggins7476you people seriously need to stop parroting “survival of the fittest” when you clearly have no idea what it means
Yes but to ask some nature lives in peaceable serenity and it is only humans that are horrible and woke folks buy into the nonsense. thanks
@@bielxcorrea I say many if not most times it is the survival of the luckiest. thanks
@@bielxcorrea you people obviously don’t know what it means. Dr fucken doolittle
18:02 never thought I’d hear Stephanie use the word homies lol
🤣 my exactly thoughts. As a member of the brown people community, I fully endorse this crossover 😊
That was so unexpected....yet so on point 😆
Word.
@@neuspeed79brown people?
@@AnimalAlmighty Indeed
5:39 this is to all you people out there who think they can squab in a 1v1 with a chimp.
Regular people should not own non-domesticated species for the well being of both.
Do you mean literally all non-domesticated animals? For example, many of the reptiles (including birds), bugs, amphibians, and fish that people commonly keep as pets might not be considered properly "domesticated."
@@alyssalewis8421 YES
@@_ata_3there is room for some nuance I think. I don’t think bearded dragon owners are hurting anything….that said people owning pythons is clearly insane.
@@johnyoung4163pythons are not that big I mean they can be after like 30years they're also quite tame
@@omarsali2990 then I mean constrictor or whatever. Cmon you know the huge oversized snake I’m talking about
There are a number of animals that have a theory of mind. A scrub jay will go bury a peanut, but if they know that a competitor saw them do it, they will go back later, dig it up, and bury it somewhere else. I suspect that the more we test, the more common we will find other creatures also have a theory of mind. All the characteristics we thought made humans special are falling by the wayside one by one.
I used to think chimps were cute and cuddly too -- until I saw the video of a hairless chimp. It's so jacked that there's no doubt in my mind it could easily overpower and kill a human being if it wants to.
does the worlds eco system depend on chimps and apes ? would it collapse like it would if lets say all birds disappeared ? do chimps and apes play a key role in the revolving success of ecological perpetuity
Most animals can easily kill most people. I hate to inform you of this.
Not seeing it. Hair or no hair chimps are ugh Lee to me
My mom used to want a chimp. Thank goodness she changed her mind!
chimp violence is personal, vengeful, and brutal.
As is human violence 😐
@@ThouSwell-zx3fdnot really. Himans choose to be assholes
Sounds human enough.
Like us basically.
in my gurney halleck dune voice “you never met chimps before they’re not human they’re BRUUUUTALLL!”
The part around the @21:00 minute mark is actually fascinating.. How the heck are they so good at that? It's impressive enough that they were able to teach them how to interact with the computer & the order of the numbers in general..
The story about Travis, honestly reminds me that as a species, we should really stop having this "patronizing" attitude towards nature or animals in general.
Even wildly domesticated animals, like dogs, are just a few steps away from their ancestral nature; I remember when I used to live in a city with a high percentage of street dogs, and they would form packs and inhabit the enviroment much more like wolves than "normal" domesticated dogs. One such time I found myself surrounded by such a pack. I was just strolling around (going back home from work, that dayI had decided to walk) and all of a sudden I have like five strays around me, violently barking and such. I just tried to remain calm, hold my ground, not make sudden movements and most importantly, always directly face them. Eventually they relented, but given their body language I have no doubt in my mind that had I tried to run away, or attack myself, I would have found myself mauled by the pack.
I know I just went into a tangent that has nothing to do with chimps, but also learning about the intelligence of animals like orcas, and now the story with Travis, it makes me think that as a species we have lost a lot of healthy respect towards the other creatures. It's not so much that they are "more" or "less" intelligent: it's just that they do what they do, and like us they evolved perfectly to be really good at it.
Which down to western culture and our societies security. We don’t have to fight each day to survive whith wild animals being a real threat to survival .
I once saw a documentary about one of the last hunter gatherer tribes and they said their biggest concern in life are lions .
Basically we live so secure that we lost the awareness and sense of danger wild animals command
So glad you survived!
Are you from Russia ?
I don't know if you've ever heard about this, but the Gombe Chimpanzee War, which lasted ten years, had multiple instances where some of the chimps seemed to have held back during the attacks, leaving the victims alive for a few days before they expired from their injuries.
I think it's natural to think that the Chimps might have recognised their former clan mates, and might've held back a bit because of said recognition.
Chimps can literally laugh, at you, and feel sad or embarrassed. Angry and affectionate. That's about all the emotional spectrum you need along with an individual personality to be certain a chimp is conscious about causing suffering in the same sense as a human
Excellent summary!
Leave them in the wild where they belong. Stop trying to make these wonderful animals into domestic pets or children. Any animal that belongs in the wild would get mad being caged with limited room to enjoy their natural habitat. It’s stupid not to recognize that. Duh!
Satan be like "pleeeeeeeaaaaaaase just let me make one thing" "Ugh, fine" "jackpot..."
11:40 check the name of the chimp drinking his enemy's blood
@@kurowkarasu oh fug haha XD
Yeahhhh that was prophetic@@kurowkarasu
5:50 man its refreshing to hear transparency about the source. thank you!
Chimps are definitely the most fascinating animal. They can come up with their own individual actions that other groups don't necessarily share or even know about. They can *understand other animal languages*. They are so much more than the 'funny hairy monkey' pulling faces and making noises at you at the zoo. They are f---ing AWESOME.
(Disclaimer: they have been a Top 3 animal for me for as long as I can remember, and are probably my #1 as an adult. Only elephants and other Great Apes even come close. So please excuse me as I geek out about them.)
Bonobos are just as fascinating and cool. They're just as intelligent. Have you seen Kanzi the bonobo?
@@dan74695 Yes! I love both species. When I was younger, my Mum gave me an issue of Scientific American with an article on how bonobos are the only species apart from humans to have non-reproductive sex, and I was obsessed.
I totally get the elephants in the top 3, but it confuses me you would put chimps. It’s like if someone was into large spiders. They are hideous and they will rip people’s faces off. I’m thinking lions or tigers could bump the chimp on your top 3. And round it out with orca maybe?
"The chimp grip strength is strong"
Thats how they rip off a face so clearly 🤢
Cleanly no they can't even bite it off properly
Remember Travis attack was taking over an hours and she was on the ground getting munched on
wrong .. teeth !
12 minutes not hours, but your point stands.
No. Teeth.
A meth-head could also bite someones face off.
I saw the chimp and the bonobo exhibits at the Hogle Zoo in Utah during one visit. The greater chimp exhibit was horrifying. It wasn't because of the treatement of them or anything else. It was how the chimps were viewing the spectators: with sheer hate and with murderous eyes.
Plus there’s the fact that a few of those chimps actually attacked one of the zookeepers at Hogle Zoo back in the late 90’s, there was even a silverback gorilla attack on a zookeeper that occurred in the same zoo just a couple years prior to the chimp attack, but thankfully the gorilla attack wasn’t as severe as the chimp attack.
to be fair, zoos are basically prisons. most people would be mad too if some other species took them out of their homes and put them in an enclosed space to be looked at by other species
Well, to an animal kept in a zoo, their enclosure is their territory. So you have a highly territorial animal, where day after day hordes of creatures that look similar and will most likely be perceived as rival primates, congregate and hang around the edges of said territory, provocatively staring (prolonged direct eye contact is a challenge). No wonder they get pissed off.
Fun fact: if you say chimp 3 times in the mirror Joe Rogan appears
I disagree with the analysis of that game where the chimps had to guess the other's strategy. The fact that their results were closer doesn't necessarily mean they have superior strategic thinking, rather it could mean that they have a smaller repertoire of potential strategies, thus it's easier for them to guess what another chimp will do.
If it was a 50/50 split, I wonder if their choices were actually just more random, like a coin flip.
This game is about the Nash equilibrium and the optimal strategy is randomizing .
The point of it that humans don’t perfectly randomize but rather based what they do on what others are doing or what they think others are doing so they are not playing the game optimal.
Humans copy other humans behavior much more than using any rational strategy , you can also observe that with investment strategies ect .
Chimps don’t have that problem but also have much less sophisticated social structures
Exactly
great video. thank you. can you talk more about bonobo ? bonobos behave very different from chimps
“If we were bees, ants or Lacedaemonian warriors, to whom personal fear does not exist and cowardice is the most shameful thing in the world, warring would go on for ever. But luckily we are only men - and cowards.”
Erwin Schrödinger
WHAT IS LIFE
Great video! Awesome to see people confronting hard issues maturely!
The memory and strategy portion, and chimps being better at it than humans, is actually mind blowing.
4:40 Obligatory "Humans who brachiate often also develop curved phalanges due to repeated mechanical loading"
If I only knew this word as a kid on the playground! 🤪
Is that true?
@@RedHair651 There are quite a few studies pointing to skeletal adaptation with heavy use of certain muscles, and some of them studied phalanges directly, so it seems true enough for me to make a comment on youtube about it :)
Idc I've always found them terrifying. Like never want to be in one's presence. See them as dangerous as hippos or lions
This was another great episode and thank you for the bees and elephants info ❤️
I think chimp do have awarness of violence and suffer.
But i think as you said we dont have do see it in human way. Their are different than human and do what they need to do to survive on their own way. We only can judge humans behavior.
You had me shaking my head in agreement with you on almost every point. I think chimps are aware of the pain they can cause but because they are wild animals at the end of the day, they do what they gotta do. Not to mention us we are aware of the pain we can inflict but that hardly ever stops us. Educational and thought provoking video as usual. Keep up the good work.
… Who’s to say _WE_ don’t, quote, _“do what (we) gotta do”_ too…?
Why do you give chimps a pass? Does the possibility of the reality displease you so much that you refuse to acknowledge it?
Think of the millions of men who were set against each other with long knives on the end of their guns.
Yeah that lady was giving Travis daily doses of Xanax with his 🍷 and was in shock with what he did when she tried to cut him off!! Unfortunately her friend was the one to pay the ultimate price 🤦🏾♂️
It’s pretty easy to see that we’re not that far removed from the savagery of chimps. Some have evolved more than others
I think it very arrogant to assume there are no evil chimps, because they are wild animals. Or animals. All our fellow critters are all individuals, just like us, and some among them are cruel and like to see others suffer, while others are kind and gather around a young mother who's lost her baby to comfort her with hugs and grooming.
Yup. Anyone who's been around animals knows they most certainly have individual personalities and some are more gentle and some are more aggressive etc. It's not a stretch to think some have different motivations than others.
@@jasondashney This Travis was using a computer to surf the internet and play games, nowhere does it state which games, but he certainly had preferences.
I know several dogs who enjoy teasing smaller ones until they cry out in fear, while I know just as many who'll step in at a situation like this and chastise the bully. Others again be sweet on their own, but when they see a bullying taking place, they happily join in. Just like us.
I had a car ride with a Kenian writer once, three decades ago, who told me, that, while Western Behavioural Scientists still thought it a fact that lions, when they take over from an old patriarch kill him as well as all his cups to make room for their own offspring. But while that happens, all other scenarios happen as well, and several groups had been observed where the new patriarch happily played with the cups and raised them to be his loyal followers...
The closer you look, the bigger the world gets.
They aren't 'evil'.
They are animals.👍🇮🇪🇷🇺
@ well, so are we. Animals, very closely related in body and habits. Some of us rejoice in helping others, some in harming their fellow creatures. The latter are what we call evil.
There are Chimpanzees that are kind and nourishing, loyal to their friends, sweet to children. And there are some that enjoy beating up their own, brutally throw a baby out of their way and keep their mate in fear, and I'd call those evil.
Same with dogs. Some like bullying smaller ones, some join them and form a group of tormentors, others indignantly butt in to help the weak ones...
If you believe animals are angels, you must not be very observant of your surroundings.
@@grissom2023 Humans are also animals fruitcake. You aren't a special creation of any invisible magic man in space
The way I see it, Humans and chimpanzees are alike, not just evolutionary, but also behaviorally. We are both capable of being wholesome and remarkable creatures but also capable of being forces of wrath and destruction
This was an INCREDIBLE documentary Stephanie!
But one question about the Planet Wild conservation efforts: What is to keep the bees from spreading further into the elephant's territory and pushing them into other territories? I know elephants travel far anyway but could this method not cause them to move into areas they do not generally ever enter?
People that have chimpanzee's as pets are absolutely insane in my opinion. And yeah, I absolutely believe that they are aware of the suffering violence causes.
This was a nice video to feed my nerdiness
@casualgeographic has long talked about how unbelievably violent chimps are. Thank you for this video and your awesome channel.
Great content, well researched. Thank you for taking the time to produce this.