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The multiband compressor I use has something called "edit all relative". I believe when you adjust one frequency range it balances the other ranges in context. Are you familiar with "edit all relative" ? Is this basically the same thing you were doing manually ?
I watch so many of these videos and just wind up getting more and more confused. Thank you for explaining the WHY with everything so clearly. I feel confident in my ability to utilize this on my master chain in my mixes now.
Clearly the best!!! I understood everything he said perfectly, opened up my neural pathways to the different capabilities of a multi band compressor, just yesterday I didn't even know a thing about multiband compression, now I know almost everything there is know about it, new subscriber here 👍
Great video. Do you think there’s is a difference if you compare and compensate the gain reduced in each band in RMS vs CLIP? Not sure if I make myself clear. Your audio definitely sounds more cohesive with de Mb comp on. Subtle but nice. You know your stuff.
Would you typically use a second, (maybe analog) compressor on the master after? Likely around 1db of reduction? Or, are you more likely to use one or the other (MB, or single-band with high pass) depending on the track? Amazing video btw man, super appreciate your videos!
Good question! Both options for sure. Sometimes just the MB, sometimes the analog (character) comp and an MB. Even sometimes just the analog comp. depends on the track of course. Sometimes you want that character only an analog style comp can provide, and other times you want a more transparent approach which is where the MB works better IMHO. And then sometimes you do both - use the analog comp for character and leveling, (usually first for me) then the MB after for further control on a more frequency - specific level. Hope this helps 🙏🏼
I'm using a monitor control station, which allows me to switch between each set of monitors and a sub. I am not using all 5 at once - instead I'm using one pair (ie my Yamahas OR my Adams, not both) with and without my Yamaha sub. The monitor station is the Presonus Monitor Station V2. Keep in mind you'll need a lot more cables than usual. I'll take a look at doing a video on this in the future but hope this helps in the short term!
In my opinion;- Sub 10-80 Hz Bass 80-160 Hz Low mid 160-640 Hz Mid 640-2560 Hz Hi-Mid 2560-5120 Hz Hi 5120-10240 Hz „Air-band“ 10240-20480Hz I think that maybe why the C6 has six bands……..but not with 5 crossover points unfortunately But these days I use the Sonible Smart Compressor which, in Spectral mode has over 2000 bands…..with upward and downward compression, there is a bit of a steep learning curve and very involved to operate but when you have mastered the use of it the results are incredibly transparent like all the Sonible plugins, and no I don’t work for them….
Yeah I agree here - it’s really whatever works for the track and your tastes. I’m giving general outlines here but they aren’t necessarily laws that you must blindly follow. More like breadcrumbs for newer folks to explore before getting more intricate with it 👀 thanks for the insight into your process and preferred tools none the less 🙏🏼
Is someone able to explain to me y I seem to actually gain db with the mb and it’s louder then the bypass and I actually have to reduce the gain on the bands?
not really - you totally can adjust those and I do recommend you do if it helps each frequency band you're adjusting become more focused. I just omitted discussing crossovers from this video for length purposes (the video already is longer than I'd prefer) but that doesn't mean you should blindly follow the exact frequency bands I mentioned or not take the time to adjust them if it fits the song better. For example, if I find that lower 30-200hz pocket is too broad and starting to bring in not only the kick and bass but also the snare, I may consider lowering the crossover so it isn't at 200 but rather closer to 160hz to better isolate the kick/bass and omit the snare. It won't be exactly fool-proof because there's always overlap but if I'm aiming for better isolation, I may attempt something like that. Hopefully this helps!
@@5piece yeah definitely. I was mostly just curious cause it's fairly important but I totally get wanting to not make your video too long. thanks for the reply
Has anyone ever tried compressing on master chain and it really takes away the width of the song? Like bypassed it sounds like a Stereo, then with it on it seems to turn into a scrunched mono and loses the spacious feeling within the song??
Interesting. I’ve definitely had compression alter frequency relationships - sometimes that can create a “smeary” type of sound but it doesn’t happen (to me) often enough. May I suggest trying different compressors just to see if the same thing happens? Trying to rule out if it’s a specific tool vs. Something that’s happening no matter what. Also worth mentioning to ensure you’re applying stereo plugins to stereo channels. I know in Pro Tools, you can apply mono plugins to stereo channels which can potentially create problems like that.
@@5piece j wow lmao and nah it’s a good wow, I never thought of the multi band compression rules as regular compression rules - not letting the audio go over 3 db
@@NMGKULTRAPARADISE I hear you! Glad i could help point you in the right direction with this 🤘🏻 we could always go more extreme with our GR if needed but I like my mastering compression subtle and gluey
Why do you say that about multiband compression, and not say regular compression, EQ or any other process? What’s the beef with the MB specifically? You could make that same argument for any mastering process really. I think I understand your sentiment here but I’m struggling to understand why MB is bad to you, yet is a common part of many engineers’ processes? (Mine included) Perhaps I’m being misunderstood in the video. Am I saying you should use it every time no matter what? No, although I could understand how that may be implied. But it is useful and valuable, and can be something to tap into to replace regular downward compression while achieving a more balanced mix. Especially as you add things like limiters which can really alter frequency relationships depending on how it’s set. Food for thought?
@@5piece Your last paragraph spells it out nicely. You are trying to achieve something in mastering that belongs to the mixing domain. As for your comment about "why use normal compression or eq" I find it quite concerning. What are you doing making these videos when you don´t understand the basics of what mastering is? Mastering is about getting the volume, dynamic range, etc ready for the medium in which the song is to be released. Its not about fixing someones poor mix.
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The multiband compressor I use has something called "edit all relative". I believe when you adjust one frequency range it balances the other ranges in context. Are you familiar with "edit all relative" ? Is this basically the same thing you were doing manually ?
@@homecookinmusicAZ I haven't noticed that before. What compressor are you using that has this feature? Would love to check it out
@@5piece Its the stock multiband plugin for Studio One
I watch so many of these videos and just wind up getting more and more confused. Thank you for explaining the WHY with everything so clearly. I feel confident in my ability to utilize this on my master chain in my mixes now.
Dude, best multi-band tutorial for mastering EVER.
Thank you Dave! That was definitely the goal 🙏🏼
Clearly the best!!! I understood everything he said perfectly, opened up my neural pathways to the different capabilities of a multi band compressor, just yesterday I didn't even know a thing about multiband compression, now I know almost everything there is know about it, new subscriber here 👍
Best multiband video I’ve ever watched!
Ever since I discovered this plugins it has been my best.... It really do the magic soothing my mix and master.
Dude, this is pure gold. I love how you explain I understood literally everything that you have said ❤
So happy this helps Roman ! All the best 🙏🏼
@@5piece Me too, I absolutely love your work man, thanks so much for this video...new subscriber here 👍
This just fix my problem with Multiband thanks for this big knowledge.
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Really great video man!
Moral of the video: I'm tweaking the knob it's about (-0:99) to (-1: 00) db, wow the bass is pumping like ever before 🤣🙄 come, man 🤣💯.
I can’t wait to try what I learned. Thank you
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Great video. Do you think there’s is a difference if you compare and compensate the gain reduced in each band in RMS vs CLIP? Not sure if I make myself clear. Your audio definitely sounds more cohesive with de Mb comp on. Subtle but nice. You know your stuff.
This is so helpful, subbed, thank you!
Thank for this tutorial...❤
Thanks dude
Any time!
Would you typically use a second, (maybe analog) compressor on the master after? Likely around 1db of reduction?
Or, are you more likely to use one or the other (MB, or single-band with high pass) depending on the track?
Amazing video btw man, super appreciate your videos!
Good question! Both options for sure. Sometimes just the MB, sometimes the analog (character) comp and an MB. Even sometimes just the analog comp. depends on the track of course. Sometimes you want that character only an analog style comp can provide, and other times you want a more transparent approach which is where the MB works better IMHO. And then sometimes you do both - use the analog comp for character and leveling, (usually first for me) then the MB after for further control on a more frequency - specific level. Hope this helps 🙏🏼
@@5piece Such a great reply! I love your insight. Really appreciate the detailed, and down to earth response!
@@5piece you are the best audio engineer I've seen so far on RUclips that explains things well at no cost, you are amazing! 🙌
Can you do a video on how you have 4 monitors setup.. trying to get a new set of monitors but don’t know how to connect 4 monitors to my interface
I'm using a monitor control station, which allows me to switch between each set of monitors and a sub. I am not using all 5 at once - instead I'm using one pair (ie my Yamahas OR my Adams, not both) with and without my Yamaha sub. The monitor station is the Presonus Monitor Station V2. Keep in mind you'll need a lot more cables than usual. I'll take a look at doing a video on this in the future but hope this helps in the short term!
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In my opinion;-
Sub 10-80 Hz
Bass 80-160 Hz
Low mid 160-640 Hz
Mid 640-2560 Hz
Hi-Mid 2560-5120 Hz
Hi 5120-10240 Hz
„Air-band“ 10240-20480Hz
I think that maybe why the C6 has six bands……..but not with 5 crossover points unfortunately
But these days I use the Sonible Smart Compressor which, in Spectral mode has over 2000 bands…..with upward and downward compression, there is a bit of a steep learning curve and very involved to operate but when you have mastered the use of it the results are incredibly transparent like all the Sonible plugins, and no I don’t work for them….
Yeah I agree here - it’s really whatever works for the track and your tastes. I’m giving general outlines here but they aren’t necessarily laws that you must blindly follow. More like breadcrumbs for newer folks to explore before getting more intricate with it 👀 thanks for the insight into your process and preferred tools none the less 🙏🏼
Is someone able to explain to me y I seem to actually gain db with the mb and it’s louder then the bypass and I actually have to reduce the gain on the bands?
Phase. Separating bands with low- and hi-cuts creates phase-issues which can result in higher peaks.
thanks a lot
any reason you never mess with the crossover frequencies?
not really - you totally can adjust those and I do recommend you do if it helps each frequency band you're adjusting become more focused. I just omitted discussing crossovers from this video for length purposes (the video already is longer than I'd prefer) but that doesn't mean you should blindly follow the exact frequency bands I mentioned or not take the time to adjust them if it fits the song better.
For example, if I find that lower 30-200hz pocket is too broad and starting to bring in not only the kick and bass but also the snare, I may consider lowering the crossover so it isn't at 200 but rather closer to 160hz to better isolate the kick/bass and omit the snare. It won't be exactly fool-proof because there's always overlap but if I'm aiming for better isolation, I may attempt something like that.
Hopefully this helps!
@@5piece yeah definitely. I was mostly just curious cause it's fairly important but I totally get wanting to not make your video too long. thanks for the reply
Has anyone ever tried compressing on master chain and it really takes away the width of the song? Like bypassed it sounds like a Stereo, then with it on it seems to turn into a scrunched mono and loses the spacious feeling within the song??
Interesting. I’ve definitely had compression alter frequency relationships - sometimes that can create a “smeary” type of sound but it doesn’t happen (to me) often enough.
May I suggest trying different compressors just to see if the same thing happens? Trying to rule out if it’s a specific tool vs. Something that’s happening no matter what.
Also worth mentioning to ensure you’re applying stereo plugins to stereo channels. I know in Pro Tools, you can apply mono plugins to stereo channels which can potentially create problems like that.
@@5piecei will look into those when i’m back at the work station! Thank you man! Love the content and engagement with audience
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@@5piece j wow lmao and nah it’s a good wow, I never thought of the multi band compression rules as regular compression rules - not letting the audio go over 3 db
@@5piece we’ll gain reduction 3 db before someone corrects me
@@NMGKULTRAPARADISE I hear you! Glad i could help point you in the right direction with this 🤘🏻 we could always go more extreme with our GR if needed but I like my mastering compression subtle and gluey
the lows in my mixes and masters have sounded like dogshit, maybe because I always use fast attack on like everything
Idk man it sounds worse to my ears. Reallllly slow attack usually isn’t the move either for those higher bands especially
Oh boy. If you need multiband compression on the master you need to send it back to the mixing engineer to be fixed.
Why do you say that about multiband compression, and not say regular compression, EQ or any other process?
What’s the beef with the MB specifically?
You could make that same argument for any mastering process really.
I think I understand your sentiment here but I’m struggling to understand why MB is bad to you, yet is a common part of many engineers’ processes? (Mine included)
Perhaps I’m being misunderstood in the video. Am I saying you should use it every time no matter what? No, although I could understand how that may be implied.
But it is useful and valuable, and can be something to tap into to replace regular downward compression while achieving a more balanced mix. Especially as you add things like limiters which can really alter frequency relationships depending on how it’s set. Food for thought?
@@5piece Your last paragraph spells it out nicely. You are trying to achieve something in mastering that belongs to the mixing domain.
As for your comment about "why use normal compression or eq" I find it quite concerning. What are you doing making these videos when you don´t understand the basics of what mastering is?
Mastering is about getting the volume, dynamic range, etc ready for the medium in which the song is to be released. Its not about fixing someones poor mix.
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