Why the doctor tells you not to lift weights | Ask Rip #54
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2017
- Mark Rippetoe and Starting Strength Seminar Staff Coaches answer questions from seminar attendees regarding the management of training while under massive external stress, doctor recommendations against lifting weights, and why logical, methodical strength training hasn't taken hold in collegiate strength and conditioning programs.
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My physiotherapist once angrily asked me why I deadlifted and told me I shouldn't do it. Haven't seen him since. I'd like to be able to pick up my kids and my groceries for the coming years without straining my back.
I was told that at 21 when I slipped a disc in my back....unfortunately I listened to that advice for over 30 years....worst piece of advise I ever took...I'm 60 and I deadlift...squat and never felt better...I bought a reverse hyper and my sciatica went away
Weight training is the fountain of youth for us well seasoned people
I've had back problems since I was in my early 20s and had days where I literally couldn't get out of bed. I'm now in my mid 40s and I have been lifting for a few years and I have not had any real back problems since.
I just a good soap box and I'm ready to preach to the world the word of the Iron gods....:-)
Yeah...they want us to do nothing...well as the song goes...nothing from nothing leaves nothing...all that did was make me weak and I use to hurt for no good reason....at least now I know why hurt...LOL
You can either rust out or wear out...rusting out hurts a lot more
I was in the same boat. “Don’t do anything or you won’t heal! Just go for a walk or swim!” Then, they get agitated when you question them. I swear half of doctors are too afraid of being sued for malpractice to give any good advice.
Rip's next book: Starting Steak
lol
Had shoulder and knee problems for years and thought physical therapy was the method to go to for fixing the problem. Then I went to a doctor to get a recommendation to go see a physical therapist. After receiving X-rays on my knee for a tendon issue that the doctor clearly diagnosed visually and physically, I decided that doctors are in it for the money. Seriously, you're going to give an X-ray to someone requesting for a muscle tendon related injury. At least do an MRI.
Suffice it to say I started to lift heavy and my shoulder problems have gone away. Squating is still a problem for my knee, so I've focused on deadlifts and hang cleans for leg work with zero problems with my knee. I'm actually getting stronger while working around my problems. Going to ease into squats soon.
Good for you.
My Dr. told me. "You should stop weight training for fitness. Running is a better choice." O_O
He's trying to steal your gains.
you need to change your doctor
He probably means well. I'm sure they see all sorts of lifting related injuries from people who do stupid shit or have bad form in the gym. Which means that recommending weightlifting becomes a possible legal liability issue. The tort system in this country blows.
Your hips move forward when running, that’s mistake number 1
You should do both. Running has amazing benefits. It helps me with anxiety and libido as well.
There is a gap between physicians and strength programs because of professional domain which is instilled through insurance company's who may be contributors to the collegiate educators and code the medical model. Therefore, when the physician clears a person to enter a training program and said patient injures themself, the physician can rely on the insurance protection of the medical model to put injury blame on the training program. That works fine for the pharmaceutical company. The physician can now prescribe "safe" drugs and psoudo physical therapy. X ray still photos such as x rays cannot detect movement misuse issues. Hence the gap. Your welcome.
Unexpected stressor like hooking up with a random and now she's pregnant
LOL what.
I'd be pretty stressed if that happened to me
Worst moment in my life so far actually.
Lol
It happens. ..not to me, but some people.
@@TonyHStanley I mean, that doesn't "happen" to you. You make it happen, just pull out
I had an orthopedic surgeon tell me I needed AC surgery (clavicle trim) imminently, and that due to AC arthritis I needed to stop weight lifting all together. I told him no, that I would slow down my rep speeds and turnarounds and keep training. I may as well have been talking in a foreign language to this guy. Within 8 months I was completely healed using 6/6 cadence rather than my usual 3/4.
Forgive me for randomly responding to an old comment, but I was wondering if you would be willing to spell out your rehab method in layman's terms? I have similar issues with both my ac and sc joints.
Luckily I can still flat bench without issue, as long as l use a close grip. However, I find it impossible to overhead press, or even a low incline bench without pain, regardless of technique modification. Doing slower reps helped it heal more effectively?
@@kendallmcintyre6061 Yes oddly enough I found doing closer grip pressing was less painful than any wide grip work. Actually same goes for rowing and lat pulldowns. Even though I'm completely recovered I still fear doing wide grip work. For years I also used reduced range of motion for all working sets to reduce the work and flexion on the AC's. Also found dips to be the most painful exercise.
To the question at hand. I was actually told by 2 orthopedic surgeons I would need my AC's cut out. I knew from a friend who had this done that this proceedure is a disaster. I told the second orthopede that I would do what ever it took to heal them without surgery including a) Reducing my weights and doing very slow and fluid movements in higher rep ranges or TUL. b) I would use HGH. c) I would use PRP. d) If necessary I would fork out the money for stem cell therapy. In the end I did the first 3 and didn't need the stem cell therapy which would have cost thousands.
When training I would do excessive warm ups with very light weights and then all working sets were done slowly with a very reduced range of motion. I remember side laterals were so painful that I was only capable of doing 30 second static holds for about 6 months. The rule was don't do anything that hurts or aggravates the shoulders. I was committed
I got a script for HGH - growth hormone which I believe was 50+% of the solution. Growth hormone and IGF are responsible for production of all collagen fibers. This stuff is expensive so I ended up also buying black market Chinese stuff. In the end I was using black market MK677 which was a cheap alternative. All told I did this on and off for 3 years to heal several injuries including shitty knees with thin cartilage.
The 2 rounds of PRP treatments likely did nothing.
So now 6 years later at 56 years of age scans show my AC's are 100%, not 80% or 90% but 100% healed. Scans on my knees show I have thicker cartilage now than 8 years ago. I still train heavy on some exercises but generally rep ranges are now 12 - 20.
Happy to answer any more questions.
@@xanthromera Interesting! So if I were to to apply this to try and ease back into overhead pressing, I should;
Start with very light weight for slow and smooth reps, and possibly reduce range of motion for the time being? If so, what part of the lift would it be better to cut out (top half or bottom half)?
Thank you so much for your time!!! I really appreciate it.
@@kendallmcintyre6061 Yes for me overhead pressing even on a Hammer Strength machine was very painful. If you must do free weights always use a spotter to keep you out of the hole. I would use a very slow fluid cadence with the middle half range of motion, so stay out of the bottom and top of the range. Personally I would only use machines for the next 3 - 6 months, maybe longer.
Not sure how you feel about pharmacological assistance but growth hormone can save you from the operating table. If you can't pin HGH daily on and off for months or a year then procure some oral MK677 which does work. This stuff is getting harder to obtain and is often underdosed. There are other GH stimulating peptides like GHRP6, GHRP2 and Ipamorelin which have to be pinned also. I think MK677 is superior at stimulating GH.
Note that steroid use will not help at all. There is clinical evidence now that steroids interfere with collagen production. It was commonly believed that Deca Durabolin (Nandrolone) helped heal connective tissue but this is likely a fallacy. It may increase synovial fluid in joints slightly which would account for the widely held belief.
Hope I helped.
@@xanthromera Thanks!!! I greatly appreciate your time for these thorough responses!!!
A lot of health care providers don't know squat (no pun intended) about exercise and much more less about weight lifting. If they did know, they would be in favor of it and promote the exercise and if they were the smart ones, they write a prescription for their patient because "exercise IS medicine."
On point in so many ways.
I'm 58 and bought Starting Strength and my squats and DL are better than ever -
Football is dangerous but there is major money involved. Money trumps intelligence.
I'm with Rip on this one. Sirloin is the finest cut. Very underrated.
What cut of beef do you think the Engineers from Prometheus like the best?
i bet tuna shake
Tube steak smothered in underwear
Churrasco
WAHVE'S CUT
they just dissolve another engineer with black goo and drink him out of a pint glass with a straw. Oh and a pinch of black pepper, coarsely ground.
Where can we find that information for physicians? I've looked on barbell medicine and can't find it, I would love to give one to a couple clinicians I know.
Has anyone had luck finding the 'pamphlet for physicians' that Feigenbaum mentioned?
Man, I hope all that phone texting is business related. It drives me up the wall when people sit on their fucking phones like that. Even so, get off the fucking phone, man. Show the people there some respect. They paid money. If it's so important, at least excuse yourself. God damn.
Reynolds is a drunk moron who thinks Rip is his daddy. And I agree, the seminars aren't cheap and that fat piece of shit shouldn't be playing on his phone during a Q&A like a teenager in math class.
Tell us how you really feel.
So on the money about the difference between personal training and coaching. People want complicated and they want gimmicks, those are the attractions. They just don't want to know that simple but hard work is the answer. It's the same with food. They don't want to cook wholesome foods from scratch and put in the effort required. They want fads, marketing, to be part of what's in fashion, fast results etc. etc. It's true the average person has no clue about the benefits of strength training and gym culture won't change either because of the way they make their money from machines and cheap personal trainers.
Dose anybody know is peptide legal in powerlifting becouse i need to get better bone density
Niki Sims at 1:49, or the hot chick from the barbell row video
she would smash you if you told her that, and not in the way you'd like
This was super informative. Didn't think about the strength and conditioning aspect like that as it pertains to college football
What am I supposed to do? Not train??
I haven't watched the video yet but my guess is that soooo many people don't know how to lift weights "properly" so they often get hurt....doctors are likely just responding to this fact....just a guess.
Actually many more people bet hurt jogging than lifting weights, weight training injuries are very low
I imagine more people run than lift weights...just a guess though. With that said...I know plenty of people that say running is bad for you too....for the knees/hips/ankles....
_"many more people bet hurt jogging than lifting weights"_
_"I imagine more people run than lift weights"_
That is already controlled for population size, by diving by number of practitioners. Still more.
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Continued...still X-ray photos are insufficient to detect movement issues. Hence the gap.
@dorifish. First of all your assumptive rude rhetoric aimed at illiciting a response is obviously a succuss. congratulations! If I were to address each of your comments singularly then you would probably attack with double. I will only say all physicians are not A students and are not all in a position to give the neccesary time to assess nor is there the incentive except what I mentioned before. many humans including physicians jump to conclusions and go down the wrong rabbit hole. have a blessed day my friend.
Hi guys I really need your advice..!! I have been powerlifting for some time .. I am 5'11 and weigh 96 kgs.. I have recently started getting shin splints when I go running.. I feel it happens more after I do deadlifts.. or It could be due to my weight not being proportionate to my height..Could u suggest the reason behind it and any remedies..??
Stop running and wear flat shoes.
Do less running in each session, build it up slowly over time. Your bones need to adjust to the loading, find out how long that takes.
Just feels weird that Mark is sitting in a Crossfit gym hahaha
"In sterquilinis invenitur".
In regards to doctor's recommendation against lifting weights, they mention primary care physicians. But what about specialists such as orthos or Sports Medicine? I've spoken to two orthopod physicians and they both recommended against heavy compound movements, more specifically the Ass to grass backsquat. Surely the specialist would have some level of understanding of the forces being applied to joints and the wear and tear of heavy use. Thoughts?
MEDICAL RELATED STUFF if you’re seeing a specialist than you’re probably injured, that’s an entirely different senario than the rest of the public
I wish Rip was my uncle
College Football in a nut shell. Thank you
Rip at 19:00, I watched that 10 times.
there needs to be a gif of that
Salt enhances the flavour, pepper changes the flavour.
The Vagus Strip is my favourite Nevada Night Club.
When you watch a starting strength video and there is stationary bikes in the background 😂
S&P thats the choice for me. #Letterkenny
upvoted for the steak tips
Is that Texas Method on the board? Wonder what the discussion was as it seems like a lot of SSCs are moving away from it for intermediates.
It was always designed for YOUNG powerlifters for whom powerlifting was a top 1 or 2 priority in life. It is not aimed at, or even feasible, for most humans, which is why SSCs don't typically recommend it. It was first in PPST so a lot of people assumed it was the best, most general, first to try, etc. SSCs are being more vocal about this, and Dr. GainzZz has criticized it for lacking volume, so that is probably what you are referring to.
Rip with a CrossFit sign behind me feels odd.
Great steak advice. I feel enlightened 😋
Some of these questions man, lawls!
"Fair" is a place you go once a year to eat deep-fried food on a stick.
More of the problem is what Jordan says...your Doctor Not saying anything about strength training. More doctors are more accepting of it these days.
I'm pretty sure University of Alabama has a serious strength program
CowIsHere didn't Wendler run their strength athletes for a while?
Josh Johnston They couldn't pay Wendler enough. Pretty sure D1 S&C coaches on average make $60,000. I was listening to high school strength coach podcast and a former Auburn strength coach left to coach at High school in South Carolina bc 1. He said he got a little more money and 2. The hours he had put in were around 40 instead of 60+
Some of these questions.. Are we adults?
What's with using too many Z's in words?
was that niki? is she single? what a queen
You need to go meet some other women, my friend
who doesnt o.o
I’m a Dr.
I pretty much agree with all Rip says
Promote muscle--and bone.
You can still do some cardio :)
Lol, if you want to be weak and sick listen to your Dr. if you want to be well and strong go lift.
+1
These are eye roll questions. How do I train after someone tried to kill me? Gay. How do I get out of bed when I don’t want to?
Chuck eye steaks are so good. Such a cheap cut too.
I like how straight forward Mark can be, but sometimes he shows his ignorance, get a better job? Yea, just get a better job, wish it were that easy these days.
Rippetoe is quickly becoming out of touch and his tough fat guy schtick is starting to feel gimmicky and annoying. That's why Jordan and Austin are starting their own business and doing their own seminars and even have their own strength program separate from starting strength. Rip is becoming a caricature of himself at this point.
Yeah, get a better job. Just like "go from benching the bar to 2 plates." It's a process and the ignorance is on your part
The guy's becoming a "caricature" and he "seems out of touch" 'cause he has to keep repeating himself for years and years, at least he hasn't given up and he has fun doing it
Invisible Hotdog You do realize that some people just get fucked over despite doing everything correctly, right?
I don't know... look at the average size of of a football player from Alabama compared to their competition. I think they figured it out.
Recruiting.
Look at those same kids in high school, compared to other high schoolers. Alabama didn't do shit.
Guys at Auburn won't win 12 games a year. I don't disagree about Bama though
Because they want you to be a medicated coach potato.
ferna2294 your gp wants you to be 100% free of issues. They can only handle simple stuff with simple, medication-based solutions, often by law. Their other responsibility is to be the bridge between you and a specialist, because that's the only way insurance pays for the specialist. But specilized sport docs with PTs in the facility are your best bet for medical knowledge relating to sport. Don't blame the gp. That's not what they are for. It's like blaming the dmv for wait times when you could have just renewed online.
Exactly. Sick and fat people are cash cows for the medicine and pharmaceutical industry.
1:49 (っ◔◡◔)っ ❤ g r i l l
It's making me shorter.
not to get political but doctors use their political bias to ignore certain biological facts. that shit is annoying.
All day- and insert their many other biases into the recommendations
I don't think men should lift weights. It's dangerous. They shouldn't be allowed to have guns either. Vote democrate
will Nill Heavy lifting is for racist nazi scum period!
Well, to be fair, any man that lifts weights is a rapist. Think about it.
Also in Europe that can't say "hateful" things. Freedom is dangerous, best leave that to those crazy Americans.
Did you mean vote Democrap
" you americans make the mistake of assuming that having guns makes you safer, while it actually is the complete opposite"
So that fact that all the cities with the strongest gun control have the highest amount of gun violence and the cities that allow open carry and concealed carry heave the least means nothing?
Anyone who doesn't like the constitution of the United States of America can feel free to leave the country. You won't be missed.
The guy on the left (sorry, I don't know who he is) spends the first 3 and a half minutes of this video on his G.D. cell phone. He's either really unprofessional or a crack monkey. Really distracting, too.
Why tf does Rip act like his opinion is the end all be all on everything? His smugness annoys me. Let Jordan talk more.
this guy gives excellent advice except for the meat....dont eat meat....
No way. Meat is nutrient dense. Has long chain aminos. Def gonna eat it.
Also my gf had a stomach and ate hardly any meat. Got her eating a larger diet and plenty of red meat and her stomach was flatter and harder than she had ever enjoyed before. F your no meat crap