Here’s the link to the research, I wasn’t just making this up! 😂 news.gallup.com/poll/642548/church-attendance-declined-religious-groups.aspx#:~:text=Nearly%20All%20Faiths%20Seeing%20Declines,over%20the%20past%20two%20decades.
@@timmygibsonkc Well my goodness- you just proved God’s word is still being fulfilled. Timothy 4:1-2, “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;” 2 Timothy 4:3-4, “For the time will come when they will not endure sound ...Aug 28, 2020 2nd Thessalonians : Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
you can't be 'atheist to the bible god'. if you're atheist, you don't beleive in any gods, including the christian flavor. it's basically only christian that apply atheist as only against their imaginary friend. read atheism definition! you're agnostic. 😊
Absolutely here too. I am far more moral as an agnostic atheist than I was as a Christian. I remember being told that you live a good life and obey the commandments because you're thankful to Christ. I didn't feel thankful, which made me feel guilty. And being guilted made me angry and frustrated. It was hard and I struggled with it. Soft yoke my ass! Now, I try to live a good life and be good to others BECAUSE I WANT TO, not because I'm being blackmailed. It's so much easier and is so much less of a burden.
My oldest sister was in a terrible accident that left her a quadriplegic. Some awful evangelical said to me, “Oh wow. Seems like it might be better for her if she . . . just . . . goes.” She paused and added “Unless she’s not saved!” Ugh! What a horrible thing to say. If I hadn’t already left the church, I would have then!
Yes sadly some people who go to church or call themselves Christians are not healthy we have to find a healthy church despite no Christian or church is perfect and God cares for us and helps us through the storms of life and some Christians do support us to.
What a repulsive thing to say. Fundies have no sympathy, no empathy. Their self righteousness makes them very ugly. So sorry for you and your sister . 🍀🍀🍀
It always disgusting when Christians leverage a medical condition to try to prove their position about God. They do this because they now finally have something tangible to work with, so they think. If it happens to them-it is of course different.
Jesus was fabricated; the love of God is supposed to come out of you. The bible is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. We were never naked (requiring a covering) it is not the word of God but rather an evil source.
@@timmygibsonkc JUDE 1 1Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are called, beloved in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ: 2Mercy unto you and peace and love be multiplied. 3Beloved, while I was giving all diligence to write unto you of our common salvation, I was constrained to write unto you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered unto the saints. 4For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. 5Now I desire to put you in remembrance, though ye know all things once for all, that the Lord, having saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6And angels that kept not their own principality, but left their proper habitation, he hath kept in everlasting bonds under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire. 8Yet in like manner these also in their dreamings defile the flesh, and set at nought dominion, and rail at dignities. 9But Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing judgment, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. 10But these rail at whatsoever things they know not: and what they understand naturally, like the creatures without reason, in these things are they destroyed. 11Woe unto them! for they went in the way of Cain, and ran riotously in the error of Balaam for hire, and perished in the gainsaying of Korah. 12These are they who are hidden rocks in your love-feasts when they feast with you, shepherds that without fear feed themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; 13wild waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the blackness of darkness hath been reserved for ever. 14And to these also Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his holy ones, 15to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their works of ungodliness which they have ungodly wrought, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. 16These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their lusts (and their mouth speaketh great swelling words), showing respect of persons for the sake of advantage. 17But ye, beloved, remember ye the words which have been spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18that they said to you, In the last time there shall be mockers, walking after their own ungodly lusts. 19These are they who make separations, sensual, having not the Spirit. 20But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. 22And on some have mercy, who are in doubt; 23and some save, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. 24Now unto him that is able to guard you from stumbling, and to set you before the presence of his glory without blemish in exceeding joy, 25to the only God our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and power, before all time, and now, and for evermore. Amen.
I think people are leaving Christianity because it's clearly been debunked. Jesus told his disciples they would live to see the son of man return. So unless one of them was a vampire, this was a failed prophecy. The disciples expected Jesus to ride in on a cloud with an army of angels to kick off judgment day. It didn't happen. Debunked.
I saw this debate. Preterist vs Futurist. The Preterist took the Futurist to school It seems like mainstream versions of Christianity never win debates. Even the fringe denominations like Preterism and Unitarians take mainstream denominations to school in debates. The debates are the biggest things that took me out of Christianity besides my dad passing away. I've never seen my dad go to church. It was always me and my mom. After my dad died, I was scared he went to heII. Thats when I started rejecting Christianity. My dad was a good guy who was in my life daily. He took care of me. I could never choose any God over my dad. I said this.. If my dad is in heII, then I can't go to heaven. I can't leave him behind.
After 30 years of talking to the wall, I finally realized that there is no God that hears and answers prayers. If there is a God, YHWH is not that God.
I left when I became a widow. People said and did the most hurtful thing to myself and daughter. Apparently we didn’t pray right about my husbands polycystic kidney disease. Then there was the jealousy about the money he left me. Then the woman didn’t want me around their husbands. I don’t believe in the sky daddy anymore.
If you had truly known our Lord- you would have not trusted in men. You would have had the true knowledge of God, able to discern . Moreover, you would have never left him. He says that nothing can become between he and his followers ( true believers) nothing can separate us from the Love of God.
I am very sorry for your loss. And also for the way people treated you. That was very unchristian behavior indeed and also sounds like this church taught non-Christian theology. They concentrated on dealing with their own fear that something similar might happen to them and with the awkwardness of Not knowing what to say to a grieving Person. They dealt with it by blaming you, thus shoving their own emotions away from themselves. I am glad you did not accept the blame and left that church.
I discovered you from TheThinkingAtheist interview with you. Which was fantastic. And I've subscribed. Personally, I think Russell Brand "turned" Christian for clicks on Rumble. And his conversion conveniently followed accusations of assault by women.
Deconstructed (wholly) about 14 years ago. Worked through gross misunderstandings about Christianity while also taking aim at the most popular religion of our day, secularism humanism/fundamentalism, and ended up an actual Christian. Ask questions, folks. Just make sure you don't abandon one shallow, non-introspective fundamentalism for another.
God will leave you when it will time, and you atheist will ALL pay all this lies. You even find the worst way to go back to God, you are just the worst generetion and people that none will remember. No doubt about it....
@user-qt1le6ih6i Thank you for asking. Too much to type so I made you a response. Pardon the rawness of it, I was in the middle or two afternoon projects. It, very vaguely, gets you through my initial deconstruction of Christianity and secularism. It doesn't really deal with my conversion and subsequent critiques/ crises. Just search "Response to @user-qt1le6ih6i" and you should find the video. Thanks again for asking.
Being able to tell your story and your turth is so powerful. The search for truth and honesty is being able to sit in the chair of not knowing for most things and maybe knowing aome things but being okay with not knowing. We're all just on a journey. I have to no idea if there is a creator or god but theres no convincing evidence for god much less a Christian god. Thanks for telling your thoughts
Loving your channel, your humor, and what you are sharing. I am a 50 year old guy who studied history and sociology in college. One day in the library I discovered the disciplines of Biblical scholarship and textual criticism. It didn't take long for me to "deconstruct!" That was 26 years ago. It is way easier for those who study history and the classics to see the gospels for what they are - ancient literature.
hello Timmy, became a believer at 18 since I was an evangelical christian- even believed I have a missions calling which ended in desaster. I left again and delearn what I learned aruund evangelicals. I left because the abuse of "god's voice" is so present, prophetic words. my life is now much healtier and happy to regain reality
@@timmygibsonkc why are you so obsessed with Chrstianity? Anyway what you say is just a lie, people are coming back to God because they got that atheism is just weak, it does not make sense and it is an obsessed cult, and you show everyday.
why are you so obsessed with Chrstianity? Anyway what you say is just a lie, people are coming back to God because they got that atheism is just weak, it does not make sense and it is an obsessed cult, and you show everyday. .
Ignoring the facts is what I used to do and every Christian does this !!!! It is mind blowing how people can ignore facts 🙄🙄😵💫😵💫 6 years free from the matrix here , ex minister and worship leader !
@@timmygibsonkcyes , isn't it ironic, "The truth will set you free "😅 "The SUN ☀️ is literally the light of the world 😅 Darkness is what allows us to see the Stars Shine😅 I'm slowly learning to be confident in myself after being convinced for 50 years that I was hurt lost broken and unworthy to be loved 😵💫 what a mind "Bleep"
Leaving 12 step recovery got me on this journey of questioning what do I believe and the more important question is why. That was 4 yrs ago. And here I am lol happy to have found your channel.
I grew up catholic, and had absolutely no issue reconciling a "increasingly literal" interpretation of the bible with the broad strokes scientific history of the universe. As a teenager, I learned about the flying spaghetti monster - I was initially annoyed with how it seemed to be a closed minded, utterly dismissive response to this "Intelligent Design" thing. Based on the name, I'd actually thought someone was trying to present actual evidence that life had been manufactured by aliens. Then I learned about evangelicals, and that people actually believed in young earth creationism. It laid bare the absurdity of the biblical story and I'd deconverted within a year.
If you dig into it further you will find that the bible does not even intend to say anything about natural history. If it did it would indeed be absurd to believe what people believed when there were no telescopes etc.. But that is not what Genesis 1-3 are about.
@@LettersFromAFriend Yeah, but the vast majority of actively involved Christians in the US believe just that, that Genesis I-3 is literal history, and not merely a mythic story. I am a churchgoer myself (UCC), but Christianity hasn't really internalized the Copernican revolution in scientific knowledge. In my own denomination, what's left are mostly older people hanging onto 1950's style civil religion with a Jesus' flavor.
Some people say I was never a Christian and I always say you don't know my journey. I even wrote 3 praise and worship songs while in the church band (also Ass'y Of God) and I thought it was great. As I said in my comment on Seth's video regarding your deconversion/deconstruction I was all in and when I finally said I was done it felt like leaving an abusive ex. It was a weird deconversion but I feel I'm happier than I have ever been being the weirdo I was always meant to be.
The only reason Russell Brand has "suddenly" become a xtian is because he was recently publicly accused of SA. This is his way changing/improving his "Brand" (so to speak) and maybe get some extra cash out of it.
That is not true, and provides proof you have no actual knowledge of Russel Brand, but rather are regurgitating whatever you hear that apparently tickled your ears... He professed his faith and was even baptized before those accusations came out. Additionally, those accusations came out shortly after YT demonetized his channel for talking too much against the vax and other globalist agendas he is striking back against. Further nothing came of the SA accusations because it was a smear against him... Probs would suit you better to actually give the man some time of day to check him out for yourself and hear what he is about. No one is perfect, and no one has everything correct, but he is sincere, and his life journey has been quite intense and varied; not to mention he spent far more years researching, dabbling and practicing in all kinds of faiths, from new age to Buddhism before he even came to Christianity. So no, not even close.
It is prophesied that many would follow away in the end times in the following scripture: 1 Timothy 4 The Great Apostasy 4 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is [b]sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
I find it interesting that 'believers' say the people leave Christianity because of emotional reasons, when many people join Christianity because of an emotional moment. I have another thought that I share with people, and that is the difference between TRUE and TRUTH. A cylinder (like an oatmeal box) can cast a round shadow or a square/rectangle shadow. Both are TRUE, but the TRUTH is that the object is a cylinder.
why are you so obsessed with Chrstianity? Anyway what you say is just a lie, people are coming back to God because they got that atheism is just weak, it does not make sense and it is an obsessed cult, and you show everyday. ...
I stopped worshipping God back in '83 at the age of nine. I came to realize that if God did exist, it wasn't good, loving creator. Also, that was the year I died during an operation. In fact, I actually died three times between 1983 & 2006. I never had an afterlife experience, with visions of heaven or heard singing angels. After 40 years, I've liberated myself of not one but two religions. Be yourself. Don't allow yourself to be brainwashed. Resist with your final breath.
When my Dad passed away, I wanted to get closer to God. One of my siblings is a WARPED Christian, but I thought I could find comfort with normal Christians and do a Bible study. While doing it, I started getting depressed. The HELL thing, the sexism, the anti homosexuality and the horror stories made me feel awful. I now feel even more afraid to die and less hopeful I will ever see my Dad in the afterlife!
@@scarletdragonflame4941 Sorry you lost your Father! My bio-dad passed away years ago, so I get it. Also lost my sister, and Grandma and Papa! Ugh! Though I don’t believe in an after life, I suppose it’s possible. Of course the Heaven and Hell thing I think is false, but maybe there’s something after this? Who knows. I’m convinced that if we treat people well, and we’re a good person… there’s nothing to worry about if there is indeed an after life.
Did you actually read the bible, or did you take part in some bible study? Because the bible itself gives us no reason to believe that Kind of thing. You should also be aware how old these texts are and what the general society was like. For example, the bible is very anti-sexist. Husbands are told to love their wife like themselves. This was written to people in ancient Greece, where a wife was legally her husband's possession like a slave and was often not even allowed to leave the house.
I've mostly left Christianity but I believe in one God that is bigger than any individual religion, new age calls it the Creator. I do concede that Bible is written, edited and compiled by humans and such is, especially the Old Testament, mostly just collection of oral traditions. I believe there is afterlife and eternal sould but afterlife is "home" rather than heaven or hell as describedby Christianity. I think reincarnation is real. However sometimes when I am struggling I still turn to psalms for encouragement and pray to God. It's a bit inconsistent but this is as far as I've gotten.
I struggled with the faith for decades , and after not being able to stay sober and constantly being told, I was going to hell ! Literally my whole life . And rejected by my pears . Then I just slowly got educated and just realized it was a fairy tail . I believe in a creator . Just not the judgmental judgemental, condeming god .
If you are a believer (I am not anymore either - just playing "the devil's advocate" here ... oh well ... ), believing in virgin birth, resurrection, Jesus was God and man in one, miracles etc, is not all that difficult. Because as a believer the underlying assumption is that Christianity (or some specific brand of it at least) is True and that the religious authorities really know what they are talking about, and then you just assume that God chose to defy natural laws in those few specific instances It's not all that different from other beliefs that are more "rational". For instance: I believe that gravity is a real thing and that the earth is "round" or maybe rather "ellipsoid", but I still don't understand how this gravity really works or why we and everything else don't fall off. I just assume the scientists have got gravity (more or less) right, and I'm too lazy to look into it since I live happily with that assumption.
I grew up Methodist. The church was a big part of my childhood. I never had bad vibes. It was a wonderful place full of fantastic people. They never pushed belief. I am an atheist who never thought any other way. It’s weird.
Russell is way more then what most people are saying lately ,its insulting when someone calls him entertaining or brushes off what hes been doing for free speech, drug abuse, theology, and the health of the planet and everything on it. As for him claiming to be Christian is very interesting considering eastern philosophy and meditation is what got him off drugs, i think hes just trying to reach a bigger audience not because of money because he truly cares about all of us truly hes a man of god , besides eastern philosophy has plenty of different yogis for inspiration jesus could easily be considered one ( if he even existed) . When you say other religions look at other religions as false is false actually alot of hindus and Buddhist and janes are totally ok with jesus . Hindus believe everything is god including you so there not so separated from the rest of us like Christians or muslims or the jews . Actually it seems you havnt done your research on other religions because you were told not to from your old religion,. I highly recommend looking into Hinduism and Buddhism its fucking fascinating! and as for proof of what happens when you die in my opinion NDE's are it , iv watched hundreds , alot of similarities and the ones that are drug induced i dont even listen too it has to be caused naturally for me to give it a chance. I wouldnt put a label on myself because it limits who i am entirely , i really like how you explained yourself and what you said though . I live according to microscopes and telescopes everything else is philosophy. Peace and love brother
When did Brand start saying he's christian? I know he's been "spiritual" for a long time... But it's just funny cuz he did a whole stand up special years ago making jokes about god and jesus. I think he is pandering to the following he's gained during the pandemic.
Hi Timmy! I’m new to your channel and I’m brand new to leaving my Christian faith (almost a week now lol). I really dig you and your commentary. This recent presidential election has been the last straw. The Christian hypocrisy in this country has sent me over the edge. Now I’m here with you to help me deal with my new found truth. I’ve always had my doubts but now I can’t go on believing just to stay out of hell (more so than going to heaven as that place seems weird and boring). I’d like to have a chat with you sometime if you can spare the time. Thanks.
Monotheism is the instigator of ignorance, oppression, and violence. Monotheism has been a "totalizing discourse", often co-opting all aspects of a social belief system, resulting in the exclusion of "others". Monotheism is less pluralistic , because monotheism stipulates that people pigeonhole their beliefs into one tenet. "Monotheism is irreconcilable with the existence in our nature of the instincts of benevolence" because it compels followers to devote themselves to a single Creator. The logic of monotheism yields little basis for tolerating other religions". Monotheism anesthetize the sense of wonder as if one were committed to a single line of thought by a cosmic legal contract"..
As much as Christians love to claim any famous person as one of them, I think Russel Brand, though a super funny comedian and great actor, is out there in his thoughts and perspectives. Seems to be a little conspiratorial. Time will tell.
@@timmygibsonkc My understanding is that he’s historically referred to himself as “spiritual,“ and I have experienced his thought processes to be somewhat ethereal and curious, so that he’s now claiming to be a Christian, which implies he believes in the Bible, is something I find difficult to believe as it is immediately restrictive and narrow; it’s a Worldview view which is anathema to curiosity. But like you so aptly stated (and as with most/all? things), time will tell…
@@timmygibsonkcmost Bible believing Christians have no interest in claiming famous ppl, most famous ppl simply go through phases when they realize all that money and sleeping around doesn’t make them happy but empty, they try to seek something more meaningful, then after awhile they go back to their reckless lifestyle. Religion is just trendy to them.
I loved what you were saying, all of it, and I clearly remember when I was in your shoes about 35 years ago at about your age now. And I feel I identify with you as a matter of fact But to dismiss all of the religious ideas is actually an escape mechanism born out of self-preservation more than any thing, and that’s ok as well The God I got to know is never upset with me you or anyone else Restoration is NOT dependent upon what you or me or anyone else believe, although it is a huge benefit for us to understand that Justification is done whether we believe it or not, it’s fuck-all we have to do with it FULL STOP I love you brother
I was raised in an Evangelical Lutheran church. I then left and became a Satanist. I was friends with LaVey's second wife and grandson, until their respective deaths in 2022. About 6 years ago, I had a near death experience ... full OOB experience, life review, including parts of my own future. I told myself it was a hallucination for 3 years as everything happened in real life. I am now a sincere Christian. I am not any longer an Evangelical, BECAUSE of the the fundamentalism. Every LESSON taught in that book, is true.... but the parables ARE stories. It's the insistance that everyone see it the same, and understand it the same, and dress the same, and criticized differences like long hair on a man (never mind the man on the cross has long hair in most of their depictions). It's the cultishness. That's what drives people away.
The pictures of Jesus are not real. Only Nazarites grew their hair and once the vow ended, they shaved their heads. It is a shame for a man to have long hair according to Scripture. You either believe the Scriptures or you have a 'Christianity' of your own making.
I was surprised when I read that Russell said he's Christian because he apparently meditates, and does more. It doesn't add up. I agree with you on everything you say, in every video.
Your video popped up on my feed.. I like that you are genuine. My story is a bit of the opposite. My mom made me go to church as a kid. I believed exactly how you believe all throughout my teenage years and early 20's. That all religions had something to offer, but none were were actually true, and just tools of men. I feel you on just having a sincere hunger for truth. My EXPERIENCE however has led me to Yahusha, and the love of Yah. I get how corny that must sound to the Lotta ya. I grew up with my sister while she was playing with weegie boards n ish and seen some weird things. A lot of things you said show me that you are not as knowledgeable as you should be for being a pastor for that long.. manuscripts have kept their integrity and still stand the test of time. Yea, newer translations are continually eroding the message, but that doesn't change the og manuscripts and how the KJV sticks with them. Also the books that have been taken out are very interesting but its obvious that some are gnostic texts written much later or just extra biblical. A lot of what I'm seeing is pointing to the opposite of a lot of things that you have mentioned but I understand there must be a great falling away, and mainstream Christianity is a joke, it kept me far away for the long time. Ain't nothing but love bro I made it through the entire video and like how your just being genuine.
I speak german, mandarin and english. Even the 10 commandments arw not exactly the same across 3 translations, and I don't think the english version is the most accurate one by far.
I don’t really care whether or not Russell Brand’s “conversion” is authentic or not. As someone who is deconstructing by not caring about the doctrines and abandoning my formerly held “faith”, I don’t really care about another person’s “faith” or whatever they want to subject themselves to.
I listen to a lot of deconstruction videos. I am a believer. I live in europe (9 years in los angeles in the 90s) and american christianity is a phenomenon to me. It is eiter/or. This is what i ask myself. Bear with me, please I live in switzerland. 9 major parties and 7 presidents. We vote on almost all decisions, government can only act by our votes. That keeps a good balance and prevets shifts into extremes. So, growing up you have a very wide range of inbetween to choose from. In america, i was shocked, by the 2 extreme views. And the opposition is evil.?!! That was scary to me. Because here, my views on certain things are middle or a bit more left or right, depending what it is about. My faith is the same way. I have a lot of questions and am fully aware, of the humanity of the writers, yet i see (fir me) the inspired part. (I think God choose humans, flawed, on urpose 😉 relateability 😂) That makes it alive and interesting, „let us reason“ God says… okay, God, you made this brain, so i am supposed to use it to doubt and question, right?! What i know for sure, is that i am fullfilled, off drugs (12 years heroin+) healed from traumas and depression (from SA and violence in childhood) and have a great relationship with my 2 adult kids. I am a widdow (lost my live in a fire) and have MS. Mostly bed bound often. But the world, in all its cruelness and beauty makes now sense and i am more at peace and grateful, than i ever was (and that is with my story a miracle in itself) I know, this is all too compressed to go into debt, just a attempt to explain a bit. So, i have a hard time understanding, that when one leaves christianity and church, that one also gives up on Jesus. He makes sense to me like not much else in this world. I am almost 60, lived in many continents, worked as a translator in the political arena and for articles and books. Did research work and paralegal work, before i got sick. So i am not religion based. I just got changed by my relarionship with God and even though i doubt most things and am horribly critical to most things, my faith is tge thing that keeps me sane and grounded when all around me goes more and more insane. I struggle to understand, how people can leave the relationship part of faith. I do not let any christian tell me that i live my faith wrong, none of them will stand next to me in front of God. But that love is the purest and realest thing to me in this world and it is far from religion. Did you never miss Him? Besides the doubtable stuff, is He not different from what humans make Him out for their agenda? Science and evolution does not contradict faith, it prooves it to me.
This religion got me when I was really lost, and figured this was the way to go. I was in it for awhile thiinking it was making a difference and for the record it did.... Until, I started to question all the stories in the bible had nothing to do with me. It felt great being part of a group, however once you tell them your weakness that's what they use to keep you. The control they want over you is really too much. It accrued to me the more involved you get with the church the less you question things. The men were sinners, the women were victims. Every week was like groundhog day, people sitting in the same seats, talking about the same things like everyone was on autopilot. I am sure if I visit these churches 10 yrs from now nothing will change. I refuse to live life like that. I am also sure this is not how God would want people to live their lives as robots.
I do believe in a higher power that gives me something to lean on rather than the world. My relationship is different where as I don't have to constantly search for him. I have no idea what God, but he is respected and we have a balanced relationship. I don't read into it more than I should. The bible God uses threats, and bribes to get people to love him back. That's not the God I know.
@@timmygibsonkc I remember having a triad with my ex pastor. After we made small talk I ask him how he was doing. He was shocked because nobody has ever asked him. I really felt for him. I'm noticing a few more ex pastors making channels on getting out of the religion ( guess they weren't " real " Christians). Keep up the great work!
@@mtbiker4life918 There's a whole organisation to help pastors who have lost their faith transition out. It's much harder for them because their whole livelihood is tied to them professing a faith.
@@cliveadams7629 I just remember sitting down with my pastor a few times and you could tell the pressure he was under. I always looked at him dead in the eyes and asked " how are YOu doing?" Like he was trapped solving everyone's problems. I think he knew I was better than the religion, he didn't have much for me once I started figuring things out not needing him. He's looking for the vulnerable .
Father gave me a waking vision of in the clouds, HE let me see how FEW have a relationship with Jesus. In the clouds it looked big enough for hundreds maybe thousands. That means MANY are "Christian" by name ONLY. HELL is a choice we make and MANY have made that decision. They've traded an eternity of bliss for momentary pleasures.
@@jeremiahkirby6552 He also thought seizures and Leprosy were caused by demons. He got stuff wrong. There are roughly five billion non christians in the world today. Do you really think a little girl born in India is choosing to be tortured for eternity. I know you don't because you're not a moron.
@@jeremiahkirby6552 He also thought seizures and Leprosy were caused by demons. He got stuff wrong. There are roughly five billion non christians in the world today. Do you really think they’re all choosing to go to hell?
Denominations such as Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy are much more nuanced in their understanding of the Bible than fundamentalist branches of Christianity. I am seeing a great deal of conversation to both (or perhaps reversion) from Christian fundamentalism. For the catholic faiths, eastern and western, tradition is as important as the Bible. It is more than a collection of customs or habits. It encompasses the whole of the teaching and how it has been applied to life and worship. In this regard, they are similar to both Judaism with its Mishna and Islam with the Hadith.
In the Roman Catholic Bible and in the Catchism there's like a forward stating that the Bible is not the physical history of the world but rather a metaphor detailing the history between mankind and God. At least in Roman Catholicism they state that science is ordered to mankind and to accept its truths bc they don't necessarily contradict God
Russell simply does not yet have the right wing fundamentalist literalist baggage yet. I remember reading the gosples as a kid unfettered from legalism and ridged literalism. It was great.
I understand all the challenges of believing in God. My problem is that he spoke to me loudly when I was at a college party, telling me, in a booming voice to leave immediately, just as my friends started suggesting a sex game. I eventually became a bi-vocational minister. I've seen hard things behind the scenes in churches that were enough to give doubts. But, after hearing a voice so loud it made my knees buckle, and having other things like that happen now and then over the years, am left with no choice but to believe God is real or I am crazy. I'll know for sure one day, but till them im sticking with "I believe".
Same with me. I would have never become a believer if it had not been for a supernatural encounter. It completely floored me and my life has never been the same. And just like in your case, God has done other things for me since that initial event. So ya, I have no choice, but to believe.
@@ryanrevland4333 It's a fair question. My answer is that it's not the only was God spoke to me. Here's another, even stranger. 15 years ago, I was teaching a community Jujutsu class at my church. It wasn't really getting traction after months. Only 3-4 sporadic students. One night, no one came at all. Weary from setting up week after week, I knelt down in the middle of the mats and prayed "I want don't want to keep doing this. But, if you want me to, I will". I opened my eyes, and directly in front of my knees was a red stress ball with "Trust God" on it. This was in a sealed room on raised mats. I had swept the floor and rolled them out myself. I gave it another week, and 50 students had signed up within the month. I led that group for 10 years. 6 months ago, I was setting out to leave my bi-vocational church position to build a church with only volunteer (unpaid) leaders. I was worried about it, but had experienced too much dealing with the mixed motives of some (not all) peer pastors to keep serving that particular denomination. I was walking around and praying about it when I happened upon something in my footpath. I leaned over, and it was another of those "Trust God" stress balls. I hadn't seen another in 15 years. I've got that one in my car, and I'm giving it a go. I could be crazy and also seeing things. On the plus side, I've been married 28 years, have 2 kids who are both doing well, have been blessed enough in my day work (IT) to provide for my family, and I've have been able to serve God in some interesting ways. Its not all been roses. There's no hurt he the world like behind these scenes church hurts, and the easiest way to get hurt is try being genuine in such circles. But, I've heard God. He's also watched over me and guided me through some really hard things. How can I not believe?
The origins of these abrahamic cult practices (and I mean cult as in any group or following, not in a derogatory sense) are very very far off from what those people were really doing. Too far off for those attempting to practice its modern, synthetic replacement to feel fulfilled in it. Modern "Christianity" absolutely lacks the context for why any of it was happening. And also if anyone these days had any idea what early "Christians" were really doing they'd want nothing to do with it. In fact, to us it might look a whole lot like what we now attribute to "Satanism".......👀👀
Hi Timmy! I've been watching you for a bit now and I do believe in Jesus and He is my Savior but I find you very interesting. I'm in no way watching you to leave my Faith I actually can't lose my Salvation Im forever sealed. Im very interested in your thoughts on stuff as you were a Pastor. I've never talked with someone or heard what it's like to believe then not believe. I'm sure you get this 100% of the time but I am praying for you and God's def not done with you my friend and I do believe I will see you in Glory with Jesus. I'm just watching your journey. I will continue to watch and pray to see what God has in store for you.
From my research I have done over the last twenty years, I would say that the majority of people that confess to being Christian, truly believe what their bibles are telling them. I am not a religious person, but I know for a fact, that they're far more important criteria in understanding a persons reasons for practicing a particular faith, and adhering to it, than just a haphazard guess to why they do so in the first place. Expanding Knowledge.
I think someone figured out a long time ago that people are going to make mistakes and they're going to commit acts against one another that they'll have to atone for. Once they convinced people that those actions could be called sin, then the guilt trips started and you needed a Grand Security Camera to make sure they were following along dutifully because they were scared of having their "sin" exposed to them. Once that was in place, we were off to the races.
I'm a Christ follower, but I believe the Bible is a book mentions some of Christ's teachings. I have a serious problem with the concept of mindless obedience, and belief. Also, Christ's miracles do not prove that's he's G-D! It proves he's got powers. So we are to take his round about mentioning that he's G-D. Like Adam and Eve we are to be punished for not understanding something? And G-D is okay with this??? I feel like this book is just the writings of ancient men. But as of late I do believe the Lord is real.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.
Why would the men who wrote the books of the Bible have to have been perfect like Jesus was to write the Bible?? To me that argument has no logic, could you elaborate?
Every Christian i bump into on the street, i always ask them who thier favourite famous preacher is, because i know they have one, then when they tell me who it is, i immediately show them why those preachers they are freemasons by connecting thier date of birth and city born in. And then they have nothing to say, or if they are still stubborn i ask them why are bibles printed in china by a company found by a former catholic? When china is 80 percent athiest and about 10 percent of budhist and street preaching is illegal in china? And if they are still not convinced, i ask them why the read king james version bible which is printed in china and dedicated to kind james of england, who was a secret homosexual and wasnt even a religious figure, or why billy graham was a freemason and very good friends with bush and jfk , who were freemasons from yale ??? And i just walk away because at that moment they are too stubborn to look into this type of information. 😢😂
My deconstruction began the day I truly came to believe that God loved me exactly as I am. The church preaches a sinless existence that isn’t possible, which equates to being in a constant state of want and need for approval from God and others. Christians pick and choose what to believe from the Bible….thats red flag #1. But more importantly God either loves us or he doesn’t. He’s not keeping a score or rating us like Olympic athletes and there are no awards in heaven (bigger crowns, bigger mansions, etc.) Just love God and know he loves you. Don’t try to figure it out, don’t try to be perfect, and don’t follow the hypocrites. One of my favorite (and conflicting) statements I heard growing up in the church was that there would be Buddhists in heaven and Christian’s in hell. If any Christian truly believe that, then you already have your answer about the love of God.
It's so wild, the people that are in this comment section. I never believed in any religion so i still have some trouble understanding how something i see as so objectively bad (the emphasis on might makes right and violence is justified because the person doing the violence gaslights you into thinking you deserve it, etc). My parents were religious (my mother moreso than my father) and they almost couldn't marry because they were from different denominations of the "same" faith. I never believed the stuff at church and it wasn't reinforced at home constantly so it felt weird when i'd go somewhere and people would do things like thank god for the 3 course meal made by their mother as if she had no hand in it, or praying for sports games instead of for the people who actually needed help. I went to some wed night things with some friends and stopped going because i was ruining everyone else's time by asking the hard questions like why would god torture a baby for a week and then kill it (king david's kid), or kill every human infant in the flood instead of neutering the parents so they couldn't perpetuate the cycle (i was a farm kid, and i would never accept the idea of drowning a cat and her kittens because i just didn't feel like getting the cat fixed safely and for free. Having people come out of the woodwork to tell you that they're glad you'll suffer for eterntiy because you don't worship their god just proved my point that the religion wasn't good. And since then, the best christians i've ever met were the ones least involved in their religion
@@catelynh1020 So true! It’s sad when you see “Christians” being so mean and hateful! It’s because they are just so lost and delusional is all. I was there once, thank goodness I saw the light and escaped the lies and deception! It’s good to be free!
That makes you a Christian whether you claim that or not. Perhaps you actually follow the teachings of Christ better than most of them, but you are in fact a Christian friend
So you anoint your eyes with oil? That’s literally what the root word of Christ (Christen) means….the anoint your eyes with oil. There were actually many Christs before Jesus. You’ve got to look at it in antiquity because those were modern times back then.
JUDE 1 1Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are called, beloved in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ: 2Mercy unto you and peace and love be multiplied. 3Beloved, while I was giving all diligence to write unto you of our common salvation, I was constrained to write unto you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered unto the saints. 4For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. 5Now I desire to put you in remembrance, though ye know all things once for all, that the Lord, having saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6And angels that kept not their own principality, but left their proper habitation, he hath kept in everlasting bonds under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire. 8Yet in like manner these also in their dreamings defile the flesh, and set at nought dominion, and rail at dignities. 9But Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing judgment, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. 10But these rail at whatsoever things they know not: and what they understand naturally, like the creatures without reason, in these things are they destroyed. 11Woe unto them! for they went in the way of Cain, and ran riotously in the error of Balaam for hire, and perished in the gainsaying of Korah. 12These are they who are hidden rocks in your love-feasts when they feast with you, shepherds that without fear feed themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; 13wild waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the blackness of darkness hath been reserved for ever. 14And to these also Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his holy ones, 15to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their works of ungodliness which they have ungodly wrought, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. 16These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their lusts (and their mouth speaketh great swelling words), showing respect of persons for the sake of advantage. 17But ye, beloved, remember ye the words which have been spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18that they said to you, In the last time there shall be mockers, walking after their own ungodly lusts. 19These are they who make separations, sensual, having not the Spirit. 20But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. 22And on some have mercy, who are in doubt; 23and some save, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. 24Now unto him that is able to guard you from stumbling, and to set you before the presence of his glory without blemish in exceeding joy, 25to the only God our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and power, before all time, and now, and for evermore. Amen.
why are you so obsessed with Chrstianity? Anyway what you say is just a lie, people are coming back to God because they got that atheism is just weak, it does not make sense and it is an obsessed cult, and you show everyday. ..
It's very simple... "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." 1 John 2:19 Most professing Christians, today, are very worldly, so it doesn't take much for them to fall away. So many asked Jesus into their hearts, repeated a prayer after someone or came forward at an altar call (none of which are biblical), but they never repented and exercised the gift of faith to the saving of their souls. The born-again child of God is kept by the power of God. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will not lose any of us but will raise us up at the last day just as He has promised. We are changed creatures who are sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise unto the day of redemption. When the lying signs and wonders take full effect, this falling away that is happening now will not compare to what will happen then, but those of us who are born of the Spirit will not be deceived. All glory to God.
There are a number of reasons people leave it. First and foremost, it is a very white male-oriented religion that completely disassociates from women and goes so far as to blame women for "sin." Second is the cult-like, if not outright cult behaviors within that allow one to venerate a single man (the pastor/minister/preacher) and treat him as if he can do no wrong. If he does, it is someone else's or the Devil's fault rather than requiring that he repent and make amends to those he has wronged. The third is deconstruction, which can happen in two different ways. One is to begin to sit with one's faith and work through it to realize that no one should tell you what to believe. Belief is personal and a method and measure of growth where we move from literal to philosophical and more introspective seeking of truths rather than trying to make everything about facts. I am sure that there are others, but this is where I have gotten in my journey. In all of this, though, I have not lost my ability to read the Bible and find within it teachings and comforts that are personal for me. I simply do not require anyone else to tell me what to believe about anything I do as long as what I do still falls under "Love thy neighbor".
What you describe is only true for a section of American Evangelical bourgeois Christianity. Jesus would not even be considered white by American standards. The bible does not blame women for sin, it blames Satan.
Love this explanation. This is how my mother lives. She never judges or criticizes or belittles ANYONE for their difference in religious belief, OR lack of faith.
Exactly- the falling away, they love their sin more than they love God- but this guy makes me question whether he truly knew him in the first place . I can say, with confidence, he has very little true knowledge of God’s word.
They also said the end day church would be lost and follow a false prophet. Seems accurate. I think smart people recognize THAT, and are fleeing. Not what you are suggesting.
why are you so obsessed with Chrstianity? Anyway what you say is just a lie, people are coming back to God because they got that atheism is just weak, it does not make sense and it is an obsessed cult, and you show everyday. .
Brand probably a psyop. Evangelical & Protestant Christianity is sort of a bad joke. Not that I’m fully into it but Orthodox and Catholic Christianity definitely much richer and deeper than “kung fu panda church”
Wait, Russell Brand is a Christian now?!?!?! I thought he was awake talking about consciousness and spirituality! That's sad that he's gone back the other way! Unbelievable!
Me, too. The Bible is not true. The sun did not stand in the valley of Ajjalon. Also, the Bible is not moral. What kind of father when his son is a drinker, gives him to be stoned to death. Alcoholism is a disease, is that how you treat sick people. Moreover, the Bible says it, what is a father who gives you a scorpion when you ask for an egg. What kind of father has given people the Bible. It makes me wonder.
It would behoove you not to have Russell Brand on your show, just to understand his take on becoming a Christian. What influenced him, was it a person, or perhaps Devine revelation or any other reason. This world has surely changed, and people are just beginning to realize that the world they live in isn't what they think it is. I am a researcher of religion, mythology and cryptology, and analyze information to gain a perspective of the world we all live in. Expanding Knowledge.
You have been deceived. You have fallen away, you have forsaken the Truth, and now you are scoffing and are causing others to stumble. You either gather with Him, or you scatter. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Repent, while there is still time.
People are leaving protestantism because there are no roots man, no tradition or authority, if you don't like your pastor and/or his theology, you just go find another one, it's a commodity. Worship has lost its solemnity, it's just an effeminate display of forced emotions. Some of us go on to live degenerate lifestyles that are spiritually damaging for years. But nobody talks about that eastern orthodoxy is seeing a huge influx of people disenfranchised from protestantism and the roman church. Orthodoxy is the ancient apostolic church, it has deep strong roots, the services are solemn and rich in meaning, symbolism and Grace, the theology finally makes sense, and the mysteries (sacraments) truely heal the soul. Orthodoxy has a place for formal theology, but puts more emphasis on the practice of the teachings of Christ and the apostles, we have 2000 years of testimonies of the saints who show us how men and women look like after the Holy Spirit transforms us, and they aren't just stories, they can truely pray for us and help us. You experience Grace in ways you can't imagine. Thank you God for having such mercy on me ☦️
Mr. Gibson. Your story is fascinating. Thank you for sharing. How would you respond to Christians who argue that Jesus must have been seen after his crucifixion and that this best explains why the movement took off? Do you think that the disciples "saw" Jesus somehow? Thank you.
@@aliataie101 Great question. None of the New Testament Authors were eye witnesses to any of the things written … that should tell you something … the authors for sure weren’t eyewitnesses… and I believe that Jesus wasn’t seen in the flesh after the crucifixion, it was only in their dreams. It never happened.
@@timmygibsonkc Thank you Sir. Last question... So obviously then, according to you, the body of Jesus was buried somewhere. How do you account for the unknown place of his burial? It seems to me that at least some of his followers would have known where he was buried.
Timmy , could it be that we are in the last days when the great falling away will start ? Labeling the Christian faith a fairy tale is not very nice . What do you tell people who have encountered the supernatural ( Demins , angels , some Jesus , or someone claiming to be Jesus )?
Dude, you’ll find out when you die whether there is a heaven or hell, but for the rest of us, you are Christian we’re not taking that chance! Keep saying it’s not true well, you need to prove it?
@@timmygibsonkcI was raised evangelical and it’s crazy to hear/see/read the same arguments from when I was a kid. Yes, ok, better to be safe than sorry?? So these people will hurt and abuse others in the name of God to avoid hell? Make it make sense.
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Here’s the link to the research, I wasn’t just making this up! 😂
news.gallup.com/poll/642548/church-attendance-declined-religious-groups.aspx#:~:text=Nearly%20All%20Faiths%20Seeing%20Declines,over%20the%20past%20two%20decades.
@@timmygibsonkc Well my goodness- you just proved God’s word is still being fulfilled.
Timothy 4:1-2, “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;” 2 Timothy 4:3-4, “For the time will come when they will not endure sound ...Aug 28, 2020
2nd Thessalonians :
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
@@timmygibsonkc Thanks for the article. Religious affiliation and attendance is decreasing.
you can't be 'atheist to the bible god'. if you're atheist, you don't beleive in any gods, including the christian flavor. it's basically only christian that apply atheist as only against their imaginary friend. read atheism definition!
you're agnostic. 😊
Because we’re finally using our common sense and it feels wonderful to know that i dont need a “savior” to live my life! Wooo hoooo!
Absolutely here too. I am far more moral as an agnostic atheist than I was as a Christian.
I remember being told that you live a good life and obey the commandments because you're thankful to Christ. I didn't feel thankful, which made me feel guilty. And being guilted made me angry and frustrated. It was hard and I struggled with it. Soft yoke my ass!
Now, I try to live a good life and be good to others BECAUSE I WANT TO, not because I'm being blackmailed. It's so much easier and is so much less of a burden.
So well said, love your channel Timmy, you are an authentic person keep up the good work!
My oldest sister was in a terrible accident that left her a quadriplegic. Some awful evangelical said to me, “Oh wow. Seems like it might be better for her if she . . . just . . . goes.” She paused and added “Unless she’s not saved!” Ugh! What a horrible thing to say. If I hadn’t already left the church, I would have then!
Yes sadly some people who go to church or call themselves Christians are not healthy we have to find a healthy church despite no Christian or church is perfect and God cares for us and helps us through the storms of life and some Christians do support us to.
What a repulsive thing to say. Fundies have no sympathy, no empathy. Their self righteousness makes them very ugly. So sorry for you and your sister . 🍀🍀🍀
It always disgusting when Christians leverage a medical condition to try to prove their position about God. They do this because they now finally have something tangible to work with, so they think. If it happens to them-it is of course different.
I started going through this in 2006, and at the time I never felt so alone.
If there really is a "Christian" god, he's got a lot to answer for and I don't want anything to do with his kingdom.
You have a lot to answer for
Couldn't agree more!
@@timmygibsonkc Do you think there is a God? If so, you have a lot to answer for.
Jesus was fabricated; the love of God is supposed to come out of you. The bible is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. We were never naked (requiring a covering) it is not the word of God but rather an evil source.
@@timmygibsonkc JUDE 1
1Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are called, beloved in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ: 2Mercy unto you and peace and love be multiplied.
3Beloved, while I was giving all diligence to write unto you of our common salvation, I was constrained to write unto you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered unto the saints. 4For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
5Now I desire to put you in remembrance, though ye know all things once for all, that the Lord, having saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6And angels that kept not their own principality, but left their proper habitation, he hath kept in everlasting bonds under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire. 8Yet in like manner these also in their dreamings defile the flesh, and set at nought dominion, and rail at dignities. 9But Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing judgment, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. 10But these rail at whatsoever things they know not: and what they understand naturally, like the creatures without reason, in these things are they destroyed. 11Woe unto them! for they went in the way of Cain, and ran riotously in the error of Balaam for hire, and perished in the gainsaying of Korah. 12These are they who are hidden rocks in your love-feasts when they feast with you, shepherds that without fear feed themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; 13wild waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the blackness of darkness hath been reserved for ever. 14And to these also Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his holy ones, 15to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their works of ungodliness which they have ungodly wrought, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. 16These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their lusts (and their mouth speaketh great swelling words), showing respect of persons for the sake of advantage.
17But ye, beloved, remember ye the words which have been spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18that they said to you, In the last time there shall be mockers, walking after their own ungodly lusts. 19These are they who make separations, sensual, having not the Spirit. 20But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. 22And on some have mercy, who are in doubt; 23and some save, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
24Now unto him that is able to guard you from stumbling, and to set you before the presence of his glory without blemish in exceeding joy, 25to the only God our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and power, before all time, and now, and for evermore. Amen.
I think people are leaving Christianity because it's clearly been debunked. Jesus told his disciples they would live to see the son of man return. So unless one of them was a vampire, this was a failed prophecy. The disciples expected Jesus to ride in on a cloud with an army of angels to kick off judgment day. It didn't happen. Debunked.
@@ryanrevland4333 true!
I saw this debate. Preterist vs Futurist.
The Preterist took the Futurist to school
It seems like mainstream versions of Christianity never win debates. Even the fringe denominations like Preterism and Unitarians take mainstream denominations to school in debates.
The debates are the biggest things that took me out of Christianity besides my dad passing away. I've never seen my dad go to church. It was always me and my mom. After my dad died, I was scared he went to heII. Thats when I started rejecting Christianity. My dad was a good guy who was in my life daily. He took care of me. I could never choose any God over my dad.
I said this.. If my dad is in heII, then I can't go to heaven. I can't leave him behind.
The disciples did see Jesus return - he rose from the tomb and walked among his disciples.
@@buc701 Proof?
@@saywhat1512 look into how AD started
After 30 years of talking to the wall, I finally realized that there is no God that hears and answers prayers. If there is a God, YHWH is not that God.
I left when I became a widow. People said and did the most hurtful thing to myself and daughter. Apparently we didn’t pray right about my husbands polycystic kidney disease. Then there was the jealousy about the money he left me. Then the woman didn’t want me around their husbands. I don’t believe in the sky daddy anymore.
@@karielightyear6343 Sorry for your loss! I’m glad you are free of fairytales!
If you had truly known our Lord- you would have not trusted in men. You would have had the true knowledge of God, able to discern . Moreover, you would have never left him. He says that nothing can become between he and his followers ( true believers) nothing can separate us from the Love of God.
I am very sorry for your loss. And also for the way people treated you. That was very unchristian behavior indeed and also sounds like this church taught non-Christian theology. They concentrated on dealing with their own fear that something similar might happen to them and with the awkwardness of Not knowing what to say to a grieving Person. They dealt with it by blaming you, thus shoving their own emotions away from themselves. I am glad you did not accept the blame and left that church.
@@girlinterrupted9145no hate like christian love. Thanks for sharing. 🤦♀️
Sounds like your issue should be with people then with God.
Timmy,
You are an absolute marvel ❤ your testimony is honest and so kind. I love listening to you. Your reasoning makes sense to me, thank you !!
Hiya TG, love what you're doing! Keep on keeping on!
I discovered you from TheThinkingAtheist interview with you. Which was fantastic. And I've subscribed.
Personally, I think Russell Brand "turned" Christian for clicks on Rumble. And his conversion conveniently followed accusations of assault by women.
He is a narcissist, a toe rag 🍀🍀🍀
Deconstructed (wholly) about 14 years ago. Worked through gross misunderstandings about Christianity while also taking aim at the most popular religion of our day, secularism humanism/fundamentalism, and ended up an actual Christian. Ask questions, folks. Just make sure you don't abandon one shallow, non-introspective fundamentalism for another.
God will leave you when it will time, and you atheist will ALL pay all this lies. You even find the worst way to go back to God, you are just the worst generetion and people that none will remember. No doubt about it....
Could you please elaborate on how you ended up an actual Christian? Thank you.
@user-qt1le6ih6i Thank you for asking. Too much to type so I made you a response. Pardon the rawness of it, I was in the middle or two afternoon projects. It, very vaguely, gets you through my initial deconstruction of Christianity and secularism. It doesn't really deal with my conversion and subsequent critiques/ crises. Just search "Response to @user-qt1le6ih6i" and you should find the video. Thanks again for asking.
@@ryanp8159 Thank you
@@ryanp8159i was looking for it too, but can‘t find it 🙂 anyway i could hear it too?
Being able to tell your story and your turth is so powerful. The search for truth and honesty is being able to sit in the chair of not knowing for most things and maybe knowing aome things but being okay with not knowing. We're all just on a journey. I have to no idea if there is a creator or god but theres no convincing evidence for god much less a Christian god. Thanks for telling your thoughts
Loving your channel, your humor, and what you are sharing. I am a 50 year old guy who studied history and sociology in college. One day in the library I discovered the disciplines of Biblical scholarship and textual criticism. It didn't take long for me to "deconstruct!" That was 26 years ago.
It is way easier for those who study history and the classics to see the gospels for what they are - ancient literature.
hello Timmy, became a believer at 18 since I was an evangelical christian- even believed I have a missions calling which ended in desaster. I left again and delearn what I learned aruund evangelicals. I left because the abuse of "god's voice" is so present, prophetic words. my life is now much healtier and happy to regain reality
@@annina_pure_creativity Reality is freeing!
@@timmygibsonkc why are you so obsessed with Chrstianity? Anyway what you say is just a lie, people are coming back to God because they got that atheism is just weak, it does not make sense and it is an obsessed cult, and you show everyday.
why are you so obsessed with Chrstianity? Anyway what you say is just a lie, people are coming back to God because they got that atheism is just weak, it does not make sense and it is an obsessed cult, and you show everyday. .
Re: Russel Brand, he is just a predictable example of celebrity appealing to religion after scandal has hurt their career.
Ignoring the facts is what I used to do and every Christian does this !!!! It is mind blowing how people can ignore facts 🙄🙄😵💫😵💫 6 years free from the matrix here , ex minister and worship leader !
@@blacksheepblacksheep5727 nice to hear from you! It’s nice to be free huh?!
@@timmygibsonkcyes , isn't it ironic, "The truth will set you free "😅
"The SUN ☀️ is literally the light of the world 😅
Darkness is what allows us to see the Stars Shine😅
I'm slowly learning to be confident in myself after being convinced for 50 years that I was hurt lost broken and unworthy to be loved 😵💫 what a mind "Bleep"
Leaving 12 step recovery got me on this journey of questioning what do I believe and the more important question is why. That was 4 yrs ago. And here I am lol happy to have found your channel.
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I grew up catholic, and had absolutely no issue reconciling a "increasingly literal" interpretation of the bible with the broad strokes scientific history of the universe. As a teenager, I learned about the flying spaghetti monster - I was initially annoyed with how it seemed to be a closed minded, utterly dismissive response to this "Intelligent Design" thing. Based on the name, I'd actually thought someone was trying to present actual evidence that life had been manufactured by aliens.
Then I learned about evangelicals, and that people actually believed in young earth creationism. It laid bare the absurdity of the biblical story and I'd deconverted within a year.
If you dig into it further you will find that the bible does not even intend to say anything about natural history. If it did it would indeed be absurd to believe what people believed when there were no telescopes etc.. But that is not what Genesis 1-3 are about.
@@LettersFromAFriend Yeah, but the vast majority of actively involved Christians in the US believe just that, that Genesis I-3 is literal history, and not merely a mythic story.
I am a churchgoer myself (UCC), but Christianity hasn't really internalized the Copernican revolution in scientific knowledge. In my own denomination, what's left are mostly older people hanging onto 1950's style civil religion with a Jesus' flavor.
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Some people say I was never a Christian and I always say you don't know my journey. I even wrote 3 praise and worship songs while in the church band (also Ass'y Of God) and I thought it was great. As I said in my comment on Seth's video regarding your deconversion/deconstruction I was all in and when I finally said I was done it felt like leaving an abusive ex. It was a weird deconversion but I feel I'm happier than I have ever been being the weirdo I was always meant to be.
@@incrediblesloth85 I’ve heard the same thing, “you weren’t really a Christian.” Which is laughable.
The only reason Russell Brand has "suddenly" become a xtian is because he was recently publicly accused of SA. This is his way changing/improving his "Brand" (so to speak) and maybe get some extra cash out of it.
@@DG-cu1vt I’ve heard many people say that. Interesting.
That is not true, and provides proof you have no actual knowledge of Russel Brand, but rather are regurgitating whatever you hear that apparently tickled your ears... He professed his faith and was even baptized before those accusations came out. Additionally, those accusations came out shortly after YT demonetized his channel for talking too much against the vax and other globalist agendas he is striking back against. Further nothing came of the SA accusations because it was a smear against him... Probs would suit you better to actually give the man some time of day to check him out for yourself and hear what he is about. No one is perfect, and no one has everything correct, but he is sincere, and his life journey has been quite intense and varied; not to mention he spent far more years researching, dabbling and practicing in all kinds of faiths, from new age to Buddhism before he even came to Christianity. So no, not even close.
@timmygibsonkwhat did he do?c
@@VictorianMaid99 I’m not sure exactly, I suggest Googling it!
It is prophesied that many would follow away in the end times in the following scripture:
1 Timothy 4
The Great Apostasy
4 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is [b]sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
@@overcomer5574 oh no 😂
I find it interesting that 'believers' say the people leave Christianity because of emotional reasons, when many people join Christianity because of an emotional moment. I have another thought that I share with people, and that is the difference between TRUE and TRUTH. A cylinder (like an oatmeal box) can cast a round shadow or a square/rectangle shadow. Both are TRUE, but the TRUTH is that the object is a cylinder.
@@mender722 I like that.
why are you so obsessed with Chrstianity? Anyway what you say is just a lie, people are coming back to God because they got that atheism is just weak, it does not make sense and it is an obsessed cult, and you show everyday. ...
I stopped worshipping God back in '83 at the age of nine. I came to realize that if God did exist, it wasn't good, loving creator. Also, that was the year I died during an operation. In fact, I actually died three times between 1983 & 2006. I never had an afterlife experience, with visions of heaven or heard singing angels. After 40 years, I've liberated myself of not one but two religions. Be yourself. Don't allow yourself to be brainwashed. Resist with your final breath.
@@christiancampagna2229 Thank you for sharing! Died 3 times? Wow, that’s wild!
When my Dad passed away, I wanted to get closer to God. One of my siblings is a WARPED Christian, but I thought I could find comfort with normal Christians and do a Bible study. While doing it, I started getting depressed. The HELL thing, the sexism, the anti homosexuality and the horror stories made me feel awful. I now feel even more afraid to die and less hopeful I will ever see my Dad in the afterlife!
@@scarletdragonflame4941 Sorry you lost your Father! My bio-dad passed away years ago, so I get it. Also lost my sister, and Grandma and Papa! Ugh! Though I don’t believe in an after life, I suppose it’s possible. Of course the Heaven and Hell thing I think is false, but maybe there’s something after this? Who knows. I’m convinced that if we treat people well, and we’re a good person… there’s nothing to worry about if there is indeed an after life.
I agree with you! I hope there is a happy afterlife for everyone! I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your loved ones.
Did you actually read the bible, or did you take part in some bible study? Because the bible itself gives us no reason to believe that Kind of thing. You should also be aware how old these texts are and what the general society was like. For example, the bible is very anti-sexist. Husbands are told to love their wife like themselves. This was written to people in ancient Greece, where a wife was legally her husband's possession like a slave and was often not even allowed to leave the house.
Doesn't make it untrue just because you don't like it. The heart is deceitful.
@@LettersFromAFriendwhat is wrong with loving your wife?
I've mostly left Christianity but I believe in one God that is bigger than any individual religion, new age calls it the Creator. I do concede that Bible is written, edited and compiled by humans and such is, especially the Old Testament, mostly just collection of oral traditions. I believe there is afterlife and eternal sould but afterlife is "home" rather than heaven or hell as describedby Christianity. I think reincarnation is real. However sometimes when I am struggling I still turn to psalms for encouragement and pray to God. It's a bit inconsistent but this is as far as I've gotten.
Authentic heart❤️ Enjoying your content! ☕️
@@blueskypilatesshariammerma4210 Awe! Thank you so much!
I struggled with the faith for decades , and after not being able to stay sober and constantly being told, I was going to hell ! Literally my whole life . And rejected by my pears . Then I just slowly got educated and just realized it was a fairy tail . I believe in a creator . Just not the judgmental judgemental, condeming god .
@@denisestarr2314 Amen!
If you are a believer (I am not anymore either - just playing "the devil's advocate" here ... oh well ... ), believing in virgin birth, resurrection, Jesus was God and man in one, miracles etc, is not all that difficult. Because as a believer the underlying assumption is that Christianity (or some specific brand of it at least) is True and that the religious authorities really know what they are talking about, and then you just assume that God chose to defy natural laws in those few specific instances
It's not all that different from other beliefs that are more "rational". For instance: I believe that gravity is a real thing and that the earth is "round" or maybe rather "ellipsoid", but I still don't understand how this gravity really works or why we and everything else don't fall off. I just assume the scientists have got gravity (more or less) right, and I'm too lazy to look into it since I live happily with that assumption.
I grew up Methodist. The church was a big part of my childhood. I never had bad vibes. It was a wonderful place full of fantastic people. They never pushed belief. I am an atheist who never thought any other way. It’s weird.
@@daytonabeachUSA very cool!
Russell is way more then what most people are saying lately ,its insulting when someone calls him entertaining or brushes off what hes been doing for free speech, drug abuse, theology, and the health of the planet and everything on it. As for him claiming to be Christian is very interesting considering eastern philosophy and meditation is what got him off drugs, i think hes just trying to reach a bigger audience not because of money because he truly cares about all of us truly hes a man of god , besides eastern philosophy has plenty of different yogis for inspiration jesus could easily be considered one ( if he even existed) . When you say other religions look at other religions as false is false actually alot of hindus and Buddhist and janes are totally ok with jesus . Hindus believe everything is god including you so there not so separated from the rest of us like Christians or muslims or the jews . Actually it seems you havnt done your research on other religions because you were told not to from your old religion,. I highly recommend looking into Hinduism and Buddhism its fucking fascinating! and as for proof of what happens when you die in my opinion NDE's are it , iv watched hundreds , alot of similarities and the ones that are drug induced i dont even listen too it has to be caused naturally for me to give it a chance. I wouldnt put a label on myself because it limits who i am entirely , i really like how you explained yourself and what you said though . I live according to microscopes and telescopes everything else is philosophy. Peace and love brother
When did Brand start saying he's christian? I know he's been "spiritual" for a long time...
But it's just funny cuz he did a whole stand up special years ago making jokes about god and jesus.
I think he is pandering to the following he's gained during the pandemic.
@@seppyq3672 real recent… like in the last 6 months!
Doreen Virtue did the same..... different Cash cow.
@@timmygibsonkc ah. I don't follow him much anymore. I miss when he just did comedy, he was hilarious back in the day.
Hi Timmy! I’m new to your channel and I’m brand new to leaving my Christian faith (almost a week now lol). I really dig you and your commentary. This recent presidential election has been the last straw. The Christian hypocrisy in this country has sent me over the edge. Now I’m here with you to help me deal with my new found truth. I’ve always had my doubts but now I can’t go on believing just to stay out of hell (more so than going to heaven as that place seems weird and boring). I’d like to have a chat with you sometime if you can spare the time. Thanks.
Monotheism is the instigator of ignorance, oppression, and violence. Monotheism has been a "totalizing discourse", often co-opting all aspects of a social belief system, resulting in the exclusion of "others". Monotheism is less pluralistic , because monotheism stipulates that people pigeonhole their beliefs into one tenet. "Monotheism is irreconcilable with the existence in our nature of the instincts of benevolence" because it compels followers to devote themselves to a single Creator. The logic of monotheism yields little basis for tolerating other religions". Monotheism anesthetize the sense of wonder as if one were committed to a single line of thought by a cosmic legal contract"..
@@snehashispanda4808 Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Its definitely a tool to treat others as lesser and to push your inner group and self upwards.
I agree with you 100% regarding Russell Brand!
As much as Christians love to claim any famous person as one of them, I think Russel Brand, though a super funny comedian and great actor, is out there in his thoughts and perspectives. Seems to be a little conspiratorial. Time will tell.
@@timmygibsonkc
My understanding is that he’s historically referred to himself as “spiritual,“ and I have experienced his thought processes to be somewhat ethereal and curious, so that he’s now claiming to be a Christian, which implies he believes in the Bible, is something I find difficult to believe as it is immediately restrictive and narrow; it’s a Worldview view which is anathema to curiosity.
But like you so aptly stated (and as with most/all? things), time will tell…
@@101Catarina The Bible doesn’t seem to age well!
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At ALL.
@@timmygibsonkcmost Bible believing Christians have no interest in claiming famous ppl, most famous ppl simply go through phases when they realize all that money and sleeping around doesn’t make them happy but empty, they try to seek something more meaningful, then after awhile they go back to their reckless lifestyle. Religion is just trendy to them.
You make me wanna grow my hair out now its so rock and roll
I loved what you were saying, all of it, and I clearly remember when I was in your shoes about 35 years ago at about your age now. And I feel I identify with you as a matter of fact
But to dismiss all of the religious ideas is actually an escape mechanism born out of self-preservation more than any thing, and that’s ok as well
The God I got to know is never upset with me you or anyone else
Restoration is NOT dependent upon what you or me or anyone else believe, although it is a huge benefit for us to understand that
Justification is done whether we believe it or not, it’s fuck-all we have to do with it
FULL STOP
I love you brother
I was raised in an Evangelical Lutheran church. I then left and became a Satanist. I was friends with LaVey's second wife and grandson, until their respective deaths in 2022.
About 6 years ago, I had a near death experience ... full OOB experience, life review, including parts of my own future.
I told myself it was a hallucination for 3 years as everything happened in real life.
I am now a sincere Christian. I am not any longer an Evangelical, BECAUSE of the the fundamentalism.
Every LESSON taught in that book, is true.... but the parables ARE stories. It's the insistance that everyone see it the same, and understand it the same, and dress the same, and criticized differences like long hair on a man (never mind the man on the cross has long hair in most of their depictions). It's the cultishness. That's what drives people away.
The pictures of Jesus are not real. Only Nazarites grew their hair and once the vow ended, they shaved their heads. It is a shame for a man to have long hair according to Scripture. You either believe the Scriptures or you have a 'Christianity' of your own making.
I left the church because all the rules but kept my relationship with God.
I was surprised when I read that Russell said he's Christian because he apparently meditates, and does more. It doesn't add up.
I agree with you on everything you say, in every video.
@@menarussell Thank you! Appreciate you watching!
Your video popped up on my feed.. I like that you are genuine. My story is a bit of the opposite. My mom made me go to church as a kid. I believed exactly how you believe all throughout my teenage years and early 20's. That all religions had something to offer, but none were were actually true, and just tools of men. I feel you on just having a sincere hunger for truth. My EXPERIENCE however has led me to Yahusha, and the love of Yah. I get how corny that must sound to the Lotta ya. I grew up with my sister while she was playing with weegie boards n ish and seen some weird things. A lot of things you said show me that you are not as knowledgeable as you should be for being a pastor for that long.. manuscripts have kept their integrity and still stand the test of time. Yea, newer translations are continually eroding the message, but that doesn't change the og manuscripts and how the KJV sticks with them. Also the books that have been taken out are very interesting but its obvious that some are gnostic texts written much later or just extra biblical. A lot of what I'm seeing is pointing to the opposite of a lot of things that you have mentioned but I understand there must be a great falling away, and mainstream Christianity is a joke, it kept me far away for the long time. Ain't nothing but love bro I made it through the entire video and like how your just being genuine.
@@FlacoLaPalm Thank you for sharing your story!
I speak german, mandarin and english.
Even the 10 commandments arw not exactly the same across 3 translations, and I don't think the english version is the most accurate one by far.
I don’t really care whether or not Russell Brand’s “conversion” is authentic or not. As someone who is deconstructing by not caring about the doctrines and abandoning my formerly held “faith”, I don’t really care about another person’s “faith” or whatever they want to subject themselves to.
I listen to a lot of deconstruction videos. I am a believer. I live in europe (9 years in los angeles in the 90s) and american christianity is a phenomenon to me. It is eiter/or.
This is what i ask myself.
Bear with me, please
I live in switzerland. 9 major parties and 7 presidents. We vote on almost all decisions, government can only act by our votes. That keeps a good balance and prevets shifts into extremes.
So, growing up you have a very wide range of inbetween to choose from.
In america, i was shocked, by the 2 extreme views. And the opposition is evil.?!! That was scary to me. Because here, my views on certain things are middle or a bit more left or right, depending what it is about.
My faith is the same way. I have a lot of questions and am fully aware, of the humanity of the writers, yet i see (fir me) the inspired part. (I think God choose humans, flawed, on urpose 😉 relateability 😂)
That makes it alive and interesting, „let us reason“ God says… okay, God, you made this brain, so i am supposed to use it to doubt and question, right?!
What i know for sure, is that i am fullfilled, off drugs (12 years heroin+) healed from traumas and depression (from SA and violence in childhood) and have a great relationship with my 2 adult kids. I am a widdow (lost my live in a fire) and have MS. Mostly bed bound often.
But the world, in all its cruelness and beauty makes now sense and i am more at peace and grateful, than i ever was (and that is with my story a miracle in itself)
I know, this is all too compressed to go into debt, just a attempt to explain a bit.
So, i have a hard time understanding, that when one leaves christianity and church, that one also gives up on Jesus. He makes sense to me like not much else in this world.
I am almost 60, lived in many continents, worked as a translator in the political arena and for articles and books. Did research work and paralegal work, before i got sick. So i am not religion based. I just got changed by my relarionship with God and even though i doubt most things and am horribly critical to most things, my faith is tge thing that keeps me sane and grounded when all around me goes more and more insane.
I struggle to understand, how people can leave the relationship part of faith.
I do not let any christian tell me that i live my faith wrong, none of them will stand next to me in front of God. But that love is the purest and realest thing to me in this world and it is far from religion. Did you never miss Him? Besides the doubtable stuff, is He not different from what humans make Him out for their agenda?
Science and evolution does not contradict faith, it prooves it to me.
This religion got me when I was really lost, and figured this was the way to go. I was in it for awhile thiinking it was making a difference and for the record it did.... Until, I started to question all the stories in the bible had nothing to do with me. It felt great being part of a group, however once you tell them your weakness that's what they use to keep you. The control they want over you is really too much. It accrued to me the more involved you get with the church the less you question things. The men were sinners, the women were victims. Every week was like groundhog day, people sitting in the same seats, talking about the same things like everyone was on autopilot. I am sure if I visit these churches 10 yrs from now nothing will change. I refuse to live life like that. I am also sure this is not how God would want people to live their lives as robots.
I do believe in a higher power that gives me something to lean on rather than the world. My relationship is different where as I don't have to constantly search for him. I have no idea what God, but he is respected and we have a balanced relationship. I don't read into it more than I should. The bible God uses threats, and bribes to get people to love him back. That's not the God I know.
@@mtbiker4life918 Good word!
@@timmygibsonkc I remember having a triad with my ex pastor. After we made small talk I ask him how he was doing. He was shocked because nobody has ever asked him. I really felt for him. I'm noticing a few more ex pastors making channels on getting out of the religion ( guess they weren't " real " Christians). Keep up the great work!
@@mtbiker4life918 Thank you sir! Much appreciate the support!
@@mtbiker4life918 There's a whole organisation to help pastors who have lost their faith transition out. It's much harder for them because their whole livelihood is tied to them professing a faith.
@@cliveadams7629 I just remember sitting down with my pastor a few times and you could tell the pressure he was under. I always looked at him dead in the eyes and asked " how are YOu doing?" Like he was trapped solving everyone's problems.
I think he knew I was better than the religion, he didn't have much for me once I started figuring things out not needing him. He's looking for the vulnerable .
9:40 According to a Xian I had an argument with, Solomon was punished for his polygamy. I don't know whether it's actually true.
1 kings 11: 4. Solomon led away to other gods by wives. (I'm deconstructed. )
@@jimgillert20 It sounds more like he was punished for marrying the wrong kind of women, rather than for marrying too many.
Father gave me a waking vision of in the clouds, HE let me see how FEW have a relationship with Jesus. In the clouds it looked big enough for hundreds maybe thousands. That means MANY are "Christian" by name ONLY. HELL is a choice we make and MANY have made that decision. They've traded an eternity of bliss for momentary pleasures.
Hell is a bedtime story we tell children so they'll behave. There is no torture realm in another dimension where non christians go
@@ryanrevland4333 Jesus spoke about Hell a lot. MANY are going there by choice.
@@jeremiahkirby6552 He also thought seizures and Leprosy were caused by demons. He got stuff wrong. There are roughly five billion non christians in the world today. Do you really think a little girl born in India is choosing to be tortured for eternity. I know you don't because you're not a moron.
@@jeremiahkirby6552 He also thought seizures and Leprosy were caused by demons. He got stuff wrong. There are roughly five billion non christians in the world today. Do you really think they’re all choosing to go to hell?
@@ryanrevland4333 They choose to not have a relationship with Jesus. They choose sin! It's a choice.
Denominations such as Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy are much more nuanced in their understanding of the Bible than fundamentalist branches of Christianity. I am seeing a great deal of conversation to both (or perhaps reversion) from Christian fundamentalism. For the catholic faiths, eastern and western, tradition is as important as the Bible. It is more than a collection of customs or habits. It encompasses the whole of the teaching and how it has been applied to life and worship. In this regard, they are similar to both Judaism with its Mishna and Islam with the Hadith.
In the Roman Catholic Bible and in the Catchism there's like a forward stating that the Bible is not the physical history of the world but rather a metaphor detailing the history between mankind and God. At least in Roman Catholicism they state that science is ordered to mankind and to accept its truths bc they don't necessarily contradict God
Russell simply does not yet have the right wing fundamentalist literalist baggage yet.
I remember reading the gosples as a kid unfettered from legalism and ridged literalism.
It was great.
Serena Williams converting to the JW faith was honestly even more confusing
@@derekmaverick5986 Didn’t know that! Hmmmm
I totally agree.
I've done the same.
Much happier now.
@@samuelworley7300 Thank you for commenting!
I understand all the challenges of believing in God. My problem is that he spoke to me loudly when I was at a college party, telling me, in a booming voice to leave immediately, just as my friends started suggesting a sex game.
I eventually became a bi-vocational minister. I've seen hard things behind the scenes in churches that were enough to give doubts. But, after hearing a voice so loud it made my knees buckle, and having other things like that happen now and then over the years, am left with no choice but to believe God is real or I am crazy.
I'll know for sure one day, but till them im sticking with "I believe".
Have you considered speaking to a psychologist? Hearing voices is a symptom of Schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. This is a treatable problem.
Same with me. I would have never become a believer if it had not been for a supernatural encounter. It completely floored me and my life has never been the same. And just like in your case, God has done other things for me since that initial event. So ya, I have no choice, but to believe.
@@ryanrevland4333 It's a fair question. My answer is that it's not the only was God spoke to me.
Here's another, even stranger. 15 years ago, I was teaching a community Jujutsu class at my church. It wasn't really getting traction after months. Only 3-4 sporadic students.
One night, no one came at all. Weary from setting up week after week, I knelt down in the middle of the mats and prayed "I want don't want to keep doing this. But, if you want me to, I will". I opened my eyes, and directly in front of my knees was a red stress ball with "Trust God" on it. This was in a sealed room on raised mats. I had swept the floor and rolled them out myself. I gave it another week, and 50 students had signed up within the month. I led that group for 10 years.
6 months ago, I was setting out to leave my bi-vocational church position to build a church with only volunteer (unpaid) leaders. I was worried about it, but had experienced too much dealing with the mixed motives of some (not all) peer pastors to keep serving that particular denomination.
I was walking around and praying about it when I happened upon something in my footpath. I leaned over, and it was another of those "Trust God" stress balls. I hadn't seen another in 15 years. I've got that one in my car, and I'm giving it a go.
I could be crazy and also seeing things. On the plus side, I've been married 28 years, have 2 kids who are both doing well, have been blessed enough in my day work (IT) to provide for my family, and I've have been able to serve God in some interesting ways.
Its not all been roses. There's no hurt he the world like behind these scenes church hurts, and the easiest way to get hurt is try being genuine in such circles.
But, I've heard God. He's also watched over me and guided me through some really hard things. How can I not believe?
@@foroneanotherwinningtogeth1142 how about “I know”?! What an amazing testimony to have heard Gods voice
@@foroneanotherwinningtogeth1142 if it’s working for you and brings you a sense of peace, stick with it!
Thank you again 🙂
@@placeofstillness Thank YOU for watching! Appreciate you.
The origins of these abrahamic cult practices (and I mean cult as in any group or following, not in a derogatory sense) are very very far off from what those people were really doing. Too far off for those attempting to practice its modern, synthetic replacement to feel fulfilled in it. Modern "Christianity" absolutely lacks the context for why any of it was happening. And also if anyone these days had any idea what early "Christians" were really doing they'd want nothing to do with it. In fact, to us it might look a whole lot like what we now attribute to "Satanism".......👀👀
God is an invisible project
Hi Timmy! I've been watching you for a bit now and I do believe in Jesus and He is my Savior but I find you very interesting. I'm in no way watching you to leave my Faith I actually can't lose my Salvation Im forever sealed. Im very interested in your thoughts on stuff as you were a Pastor. I've never talked with someone or heard what it's like to believe then not believe. I'm sure you get this 100% of the time but I am praying for you and God's def not done with you my friend and I do believe I will see you in Glory with Jesus. I'm just watching your journey. I will continue to watch and pray to see what God has in store for you.
From my research I have done over the last twenty years, I would say that the majority of people that confess to being Christian, truly believe what their bibles are telling them. I am not a religious person, but I know for a fact, that they're far more important criteria in understanding a persons reasons for practicing a particular faith, and adhering to it, than just a haphazard guess to why they do so in the first place. Expanding Knowledge.
I think someone figured out a long time ago that people are going to make mistakes and they're going to commit acts against one another that they'll have to atone for.
Once they convinced people that those actions could be called sin, then the guilt trips started and you needed a Grand Security Camera to make sure they were following along dutifully because they were scared of having their "sin" exposed to them.
Once that was in place, we were off to the races.
I'm a Christ follower, but I believe the Bible is a book mentions some of Christ's teachings. I have a serious problem with the concept of mindless obedience, and belief. Also, Christ's miracles do not prove that's he's G-D! It proves he's got powers. So we are to take his round about mentioning that he's G-D. Like Adam and Eve we are to be punished for not understanding something? And G-D is okay with this??? I feel like this book is just the writings of ancient men. But as of late I do believe the Lord is real.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.
Why would the men who wrote the books of the Bible have to have been perfect like Jesus was to write the Bible?? To me that argument has no logic, could you elaborate?
You’re right on…
Yes. When your cognitive dissonance catches up to you, you have to make changes or go insane 😉😂
Facts conflicting with beliefs.
@@floccinaucinihilipilifications Thanks for watching! Appreciate it!
Thank you for presenting critical thought perspectives on the subject of religion
Every Christian i bump into on the street, i always ask them who thier favourite famous preacher is, because i know they have one, then when they tell me who it is, i immediately show them why those preachers they are freemasons by connecting thier date of birth and city born in. And then they have nothing to say, or if they are still stubborn i ask them why are bibles printed in china by a company found by a former catholic? When china is 80 percent athiest and about 10 percent of budhist and street preaching is illegal in china? And if they are still not convinced, i ask them why the read king james version bible which is printed in china and dedicated to kind james of england, who was a secret homosexual and wasnt even a religious figure, or why billy graham was a freemason and very good friends with bush and jfk , who were freemasons from yale ??? And i just walk away because at that moment they are too stubborn to look into this type of information. 😢😂
All of my favorite preachers were females with large bosoms and pretty faces
I want to know who has the green thumb! Those plants behind you are incredible!
Well sir you will know one day. When you meet him. It's your soul
The doctrine of an eternal hell is a big reason. 🔥
Great job 👏 👍
My deconstruction began the day I truly came to believe that God loved me exactly as I am. The church preaches a sinless existence that isn’t possible, which equates to being in a constant state of want and need for approval from God and others. Christians pick and choose what to believe from the Bible….thats red flag #1. But more importantly God either loves us or he doesn’t. He’s not keeping a score or rating us like Olympic athletes and there are no awards in heaven (bigger crowns, bigger mansions, etc.) Just love God and know he loves you. Don’t try to figure it out, don’t try to be perfect, and don’t follow the hypocrites. One of my favorite (and conflicting) statements I heard growing up in the church was that there would be Buddhists in heaven and Christian’s in hell. If any Christian truly believe that, then you already have your answer about the love of God.
Ib think they're waking up the fact that Jesus is a myth
It's so wild, the people that are in this comment section. I never believed in any religion so i still have some trouble understanding how something i see as so objectively bad (the emphasis on might makes right and violence is justified because the person doing the violence gaslights you into thinking you deserve it, etc).
My parents were religious (my mother moreso than my father) and they almost couldn't marry because they were from different denominations of the "same" faith. I never believed the stuff at church and it wasn't reinforced at home constantly so it felt weird when i'd go somewhere and people would do things like thank god for the 3 course meal made by their mother as if she had no hand in it, or praying for sports games instead of for the people who actually needed help. I went to some wed night things with some friends and stopped going because i was ruining everyone else's time by asking the hard questions like why would god torture a baby for a week and then kill it (king david's kid), or kill every human infant in the flood instead of neutering the parents so they couldn't perpetuate the cycle (i was a farm kid, and i would never accept the idea of drowning a cat and her kittens because i just didn't feel like getting the cat fixed safely and for free.
Having people come out of the woodwork to tell you that they're glad you'll suffer for eterntiy because you don't worship their god just proved my point that the religion wasn't good. And since then, the best christians i've ever met were the ones least involved in their religion
@@catelynh1020 So true! It’s sad when you see “Christians” being so mean and hateful! It’s because they are just so lost and delusional is all. I was there once, thank goodness I saw the light and escaped the lies and deception! It’s good to be free!
I'm a christ follower...❤
That makes you a Christian whether you claim that or not. Perhaps you actually follow the teachings of Christ better than most of them, but you are in fact a Christian friend
So you anoint your eyes with oil? That’s literally what the root word of Christ (Christen) means….the anoint your eyes with oil. There were actually many Christs before Jesus. You’ve got to look at it in antiquity because those were modern times back then.
Nice to have imaginary friend 😂
Russell Brand - 🤣ya that guy! What a trip he is.
People like Russel Brand are exactly why I stopped believing. Keep it up Christians!
True.. evolution isn’t stopping, we developed further, also in knowledge.. our time is outgrowing Christianity…
JUDE 1
1Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are called, beloved in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ: 2Mercy unto you and peace and love be multiplied.
3Beloved, while I was giving all diligence to write unto you of our common salvation, I was constrained to write unto you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered unto the saints. 4For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
5Now I desire to put you in remembrance, though ye know all things once for all, that the Lord, having saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6And angels that kept not their own principality, but left their proper habitation, he hath kept in everlasting bonds under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire. 8Yet in like manner these also in their dreamings defile the flesh, and set at nought dominion, and rail at dignities. 9But Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing judgment, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. 10But these rail at whatsoever things they know not: and what they understand naturally, like the creatures without reason, in these things are they destroyed. 11Woe unto them! for they went in the way of Cain, and ran riotously in the error of Balaam for hire, and perished in the gainsaying of Korah. 12These are they who are hidden rocks in your love-feasts when they feast with you, shepherds that without fear feed themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; 13wild waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the blackness of darkness hath been reserved for ever. 14And to these also Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his holy ones, 15to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their works of ungodliness which they have ungodly wrought, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. 16These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their lusts (and their mouth speaketh great swelling words), showing respect of persons for the sake of advantage.
17But ye, beloved, remember ye the words which have been spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18that they said to you, In the last time there shall be mockers, walking after their own ungodly lusts. 19These are they who make separations, sensual, having not the Spirit. 20But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. 22And on some have mercy, who are in doubt; 23and some save, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
24Now unto him that is able to guard you from stumbling, and to set you before the presence of his glory without blemish in exceeding joy, 25to the only God our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and power, before all time, and now, and for evermore. Amen.
why are you so obsessed with Chrstianity? Anyway what you say is just a lie, people are coming back to God because they got that atheism is just weak, it does not make sense and it is an obsessed cult, and you show everyday. ..
Who developed?
The last 100 years of wars?
You are living with blindfolds on.
I can tell after about only 10 seconds talking that you are working for The Accuser.
What you mean?
Working for the accuser? Is there an application process? How much does it pay and can I work from home?
@@ryanrevland4333 😂
I thought that your God was the accuser. It wasnt Satan who made the torture chamber down in the celler, was it?
It's very simple... "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." 1 John 2:19
Most professing Christians, today, are very worldly, so it doesn't take much for them to fall away. So many asked Jesus into their hearts, repeated a prayer after someone or came forward at an altar call (none of which are biblical), but they never repented and exercised the gift of faith to the saving of their souls.
The born-again child of God is kept by the power of God. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will not lose any of us but will raise us up at the last day just as He has promised. We are changed creatures who are sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise unto the day of redemption.
When the lying signs and wonders take full effect, this falling away that is happening now will not compare to what will happen then, but those of us who are born of the Spirit will not be deceived. All glory to God.
How does Mark 14: 51-52 profit the kingdom?
When you were on C2C and said you were teaching people how to speak in tongues 🤯
I grew up being taught it came to you, not that you were taught.
There are a number of reasons people leave it. First and foremost, it is a very white male-oriented religion that completely disassociates from women and goes so far as to blame women for "sin." Second is the cult-like, if not outright cult behaviors within that allow one to venerate a single man (the pastor/minister/preacher) and treat him as if he can do no wrong. If he does, it is someone else's or the Devil's fault rather than requiring that he repent and make amends to those he has wronged. The third is deconstruction, which can happen in two different ways. One is to begin to sit with one's faith and work through it to realize that no one should tell you what to believe. Belief is personal and a method and measure of growth where we move from literal to philosophical and more introspective seeking of truths rather than trying to make everything about facts. I am sure that there are others, but this is where I have gotten in my journey. In all of this, though, I have not lost my ability to read the Bible and find within it teachings and comforts that are personal for me. I simply do not require anyone else to tell me what to believe about anything I do as long as what I do still falls under "Love thy neighbor".
What you describe is only true for a section of American Evangelical bourgeois Christianity. Jesus would not even be considered white by American standards. The bible does not blame women for sin, it blames Satan.
Love this explanation. This is how my mother lives. She never judges or criticizes or belittles ANYONE for their difference in religious belief, OR lack of faith.
Dude 🤦🏽♂️, Paul predicted that MANY would “deconstruct” before the return of Christ. That’s likely what you are seeing. Jesus is Lord
And jesus predicted he would return within the lifetime of his disciples. Christianity been debunked for a while now
@@ryanrevland4333 nice try though 👍
@@danielvargas9100 I agree. Jesus gave it his best try. But in the end he was just another failed apocalyptic prophet
Exactly- the falling away, they love their sin more than they love God- but this guy makes me question whether he truly knew him in the first place . I can say, with confidence, he has very little true knowledge of God’s word.
They also said the end day church would be lost and follow a false prophet. Seems accurate. I think smart people recognize THAT, and are fleeing. Not what you are suggesting.
I would love to see you discuss the differences and similarities between Christianity and other cults, with other ex cult members.
why are you so obsessed with Chrstianity? Anyway what you say is just a lie, people are coming back to God because they got that atheism is just weak, it does not make sense and it is an obsessed cult, and you show everyday. .
Brand probably a psyop.
Evangelical & Protestant Christianity is sort of a bad joke.
Not that I’m fully into it but Orthodox and Catholic Christianity definitely much richer and deeper than “kung fu panda church”
@@isawamoose 😂
Anglicanism is a nice compromise.
Wait, Russell Brand is a Christian now?!?!?! I thought he was awake talking about consciousness and spirituality! That's sad that he's gone back the other way! Unbelievable!
I never thought he was
“Despite what he says, Russell Brand is not really a Christian. However, if a man tells you that he is actually a woman, you must believe him.”
Me, too. The Bible is not true. The sun did not stand in the valley of Ajjalon. Also, the Bible is not moral. What kind of father when his son is a drinker, gives him to be stoned to death. Alcoholism is a disease, is that how you treat sick people. Moreover, the Bible says it, what is a father who gives you a scorpion when you ask for an egg. What kind of father has given people the Bible. It makes me wonder.
@@stasacab Exactly!
I didn't like you when I seen you. I thought you looked like a Hippy version of Zorro. But I watched a couple vids and I like you now.
@@NightRanger1982 ha ha…. Love that! Well thank you, I appreciate the comment. - Zorro😂
It would behoove you not to have Russell Brand on your show, just to understand his take on becoming a Christian. What influenced him, was it a person, or perhaps Devine revelation or any other reason. This world has surely changed, and people are just beginning to realize that the world they live in isn't what they think it is. I am a researcher of religion, mythology and cryptology, and analyze information to gain a perspective of the world we all live in. Expanding Knowledge.
You have been deceived. You have fallen away, you have forsaken the Truth, and now you are scoffing and are causing others to stumble. You either gather with Him, or you scatter. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Repent, while there is still time.
@@emileigh8202 oh no 😂
People are leaving protestantism because there are no roots man, no tradition or authority, if you don't like your pastor and/or his theology, you just go find another one, it's a commodity. Worship has lost its solemnity, it's just an effeminate display of forced emotions. Some of us go on to live degenerate lifestyles that are spiritually damaging for years. But nobody talks about that eastern orthodoxy is seeing a huge influx of people disenfranchised from protestantism and the roman church. Orthodoxy is the ancient apostolic church, it has deep strong roots, the services are solemn and rich in meaning, symbolism and Grace, the theology finally makes sense, and the mysteries (sacraments) truely heal the soul. Orthodoxy has a place for formal theology, but puts more emphasis on the practice of the teachings of Christ and the apostles, we have 2000 years of testimonies of the saints who show us how men and women look like after the Holy Spirit transforms us, and they aren't just stories, they can truely pray for us and help us. You experience Grace in ways you can't imagine. Thank you God for having such mercy on me ☦️
Why should every person putting it together been perfect too, if Jesus was? 🤔
Or, perhaps the many false converts are being made manifest as time goes on. 1 John 2:19.
I don't think there's enough info out there for me to know if God exists.
You need to have a hair contest with Aaron Ra.
@@henrim9348 😂
Mr. Gibson. Your story is fascinating. Thank you for sharing. How would you respond to Christians who argue that Jesus must have been seen after his crucifixion and that this best explains why the movement took off? Do you think that the disciples "saw" Jesus somehow? Thank you.
@@aliataie101 Great question. None of the New Testament Authors were eye witnesses to any of the things written … that should tell you something … the authors for sure weren’t eyewitnesses… and I believe that Jesus wasn’t seen in the flesh after the crucifixion, it was only in their dreams. It never happened.
@@timmygibsonkc Thank you Sir. Last question... So obviously then, according to you, the body of Jesus was buried somewhere. How do you account for the unknown place of his burial? It seems to me that at least some of his followers would have known where he was buried.
@@aliataie101 I would assume.
John wasnt an eye witness? He was at the foot of the cross and at the empty tomb. Not sure where your information is coming from. @@timmygibsonkc
Timmy , could it be that we are in the last days when the great falling away will start ? Labeling the Christian faith a fairy tale is not very nice . What do you tell people who have encountered the supernatural ( Demins , angels , some Jesus , or someone claiming to be Jesus )?
Dude, you’ll find out when you die whether there is a heaven or hell, but for the rest of us, you are Christian we’re not taking that chance! Keep saying it’s not true well, you need to prove it?
@@Crusader1984 😂BS!
@@timmygibsonkcI was raised evangelical and it’s crazy to hear/see/read the same arguments from when I was a kid. Yes, ok, better to be safe than sorry?? So these people will hurt and abuse others in the name of God to avoid hell? Make it make sense.
2 Peter 3:3.
To follow their own path.